MORIARTY Unmasks Tarantino's Onscreen Role In KILL BILL!!
Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.
About a month and a half ago, I had occasion to run into Quentin Tarantino at a screening. I don't see him on any sort of regular basis, nor do I think of Quentin as a confidante. I've always enjoyed meeting him at the QT Fests in Austin, and on one occasion, he was cool enough to invite Harry and I to his house. And I like the guy a lot. He's more mellow than you'd expect, and talking to him is like falling into a conversation with any serious film geek. But I would never call him up. I just don't know him well enough for that.
As a result, on those rare moments we do get to talk, I never push too hard. I'm always interested in what he's working on, but I also am keenly aware of where and when it's appropriate to work someone for information. When you're all just hanging out to watch a movie, that's not the time or the place. If the person decides to be talkative and approachable and starts volunteering information, that's cool, and I'll certainly pay attention. That's exactly what happened, too. We had a few minutes to sit and wait before the film began, and there were maybe six of us total in the room, and Quentin just sort of eased into it, talking about how he'd just come from casting, and how he was looking forward to the start of weapons training for the cast, and how much fun locations scouting has been, and the first thing that struck me as he spoke was just how much fun he appears to be having as he puts the thing together, as he eases back into the process.
And all of the information he gave me was, in my mind, off-limits because of the setting. Some of what he said was incredibly detailed, down to music cues for action scenes and the process he and choreographer Master Yuen Wo Ping are going through as they build the film's sure-to-be-blistering action scenes. But there was one story he told that has since been confirmed for me by an outside source... someone who came to me with the story... and it's too much fun not to share.
In the script, there is a character named Pai Mei. In fact, there's a chapter in the film called "The Cruel Tutelage Of Pai Mei." The 150 year old sole survivor of the White Lotus Clan, Pai Mei is an astonishing martial arts master who takes on The Bride (Uma Thurman) at the request of Bill (David Carradine). As Bill says, "He is Nietzsche's psalm personified. If Pai Mei doesn't kill you, he will make you stronger." The Bride goes through a gruelling ordeal as he reshapes her into something deadly, and it's one of the most memorable sequences of the film.
The original plan was for Yuen Wo Ping himself to play the role. As they started work on pre-production in earnest, though, Pai Mei took Quentin aside to explain to him that he wouldn't be able to play the role. "You need me to train your actors," he told Quentin, "and if I'm going to play the role, I'll have to go into training myself. That won't do you any good."
Heartbroken, Quentin started searching for another Asian actor to play the role, someone who carried the same iconic power as Master Wo Ping, but kept coming up short. Finally, during one of their meetings, it was Master Wo Ping who suggested to Quentin, "You know, you should play the role yourself."
Quentin laughed it off, but Yuen Wo Ping was emphatic, citing the voice that Quentin did for the character and the fact that whenever he talked about the role, he would act it out and do all the physical moves. Quentin knew that playing the role would mean that he would have to go through martial arts training during pre-production with his actors, a major investment of time, but gradually warmed up to the idea.
And so it goes. He's already had his headcast done at KNB's makeup FX shop, and they're sculpting the appliances he'll be wearing in the role. And, yes, he's in training with his cast, getting into shape and learning how to convincingly move like a 150 year old master martial artist.
I think it's going to be ridiculous fun to see him play the role, and it should turn "Chapter Eight" into one of the highlights of the movie, already overladen with highlights as it is.
I'll be back later this morning with some more updates. Until then...
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April 1, 2002, 5:21 a.m. CST
April 1, 2002, 5:22 a.m. CST
quentin all asian and stuff. This movie certainly sounds different. It could be fun
April 1, 2002, 5:39 a.m. CST
It's like something Buzz Maverick would dream up. Hope it turns out okay though. By the way, am I the only one who would rather see Tarantino's "Vainglorious bastards" WW-II project than Kill Bill?
April 1, 2002, 5:52 a.m. CST
I think he means Wo Ping took Quentin aside to explain that he couldn't take the role.... Either way...looks interesting enough...I'm not too jazzed about this yet...
April 1, 2002, 5:55 a.m. CST
if it's a joke it's cruel to all fans. if it's true, it will be updated to the QUENTIN TARANTINO ARCHIVES. be cool! (www.tarantino.info)
April 1, 2002, 6:10 a.m. CST
Then you probably liked Eyes Wide Shut too. Don't kid yourselves!
April 1, 2002, 6:24 a.m. CST
April 1, 2002, 9:09 a.m. CST
I hope to holy heaven
April 1, 2002, 10:09 a.m. CST
Mori, even if you're not kidding SAY you're kidding and make me feel better. BTW, thanks again for recomending Blade II to me the other day. That was a good call.
April 1, 2002, 10:19 a.m. CST
by Trav McGee
"...Many famous people suffer from IDS. Juliette Lewis, novelist Anne Rice... Jerry Lewis struggles with it every day... Quentin Tarantino--the actor, not the director..."
April 1, 2002, 10:44 a.m. CST
yeah people liked Jackie Brown. it was a cool, easy movie with a nice climax! i liked it
April 1, 2002, 10:59 a.m. CST
I think QT is slowly proving himself to be a better actor than we at first thought, but it's obviously not his strength. I don't think he should really be trying to "stretch", and certainly not in a pivotal role in the most important film of the 21st century. Ah, who knows, maybe it'll be cool. I could see it being cool in a semi-comical way. I dunno. Did this really take you a month to write, Moriarty?
April 1, 2002, 11:29 a.m. CST
this is not funny, definitely not! update the article! is it right or wrong? why did it take you 2 months to write that? why pei mei? come on moriarty, that can't be true!
April 1, 2002, 11:37 a.m. CST
Not only did Tarintino announce that we will be playing a 150 asian kung fu master, a pivotal role in an important film when he has a checkered acting past, but he also annonced that he, not Pamela Greer, played Jackie Brown, a testment to his range as an actor. And, yes, I liked Jackie Brown. People wanted to see another Pulp Fiction or Resivoir Dogs. Jackie Brown was a movie about middle aged people stuck in nowwheresville. I needed to be slower and less action orientated and much lower key. It was, and it was good at it. I own it, and I've watch it about as many times as I watch Resivoir Dogs a year. Tarintino will have a long and prosperous future making, if nothing else, good genre flicks, which is nothing. And I will not write him off as not being the next Scorcse unless he make Kill Bill as shallow film a film as the second half of Dust til Dawn was. Jackie Brown was Tarintino's Age of Innocence, because you can't make Taxi Driver over and over and over again.
April 1, 2002, 11:40 a.m. CST
... I enjoyed and watch that film far more than Pulp Fiction. As for Eyes Wide Shut - hmm - only saw it twice, and it never hooked me. But Jackie Brown - man, that was one sweet film. I find the only people that didn't like it were the morons going in expection "Pulp Fiction 2". Then again, I may also be biased because I am the biggest Blaxploitation fan in the place I live. Sucka!
April 1, 2002, 12:30 p.m. CST
Subject says it all
April 1, 2002, 12:40 p.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
"Hello, and welcome to MovieFone--" "Q? Is that you?" "Buzz?" "Yeah. What's this about you playing an old Chinese guy in KILL BILL?" "Yeah, it's going to be cool. Sort of like Lo Pan in BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA, or the guy who sold Hoyt Axton the Gremlin in GREMLINS, the one played by Keye Luke. He was Number One Son in those Charlie Chan movies with Warren Oland, who was in THE WEREWOLF OF LONDON, which I thought was superior to THE WOLFMAN except that I liked Curt Siodmak's screenplay. Have you read that?" "Uh, I saw ABBOTT & COSTELLO MEET FRANKENSTEIN." "Yeah, that was funny. Not as funny as HOUSE OF FRANKENSTEIN or HOUSE OF DRACULA. Man, if they could have just worked a mummy into those. Hey, Brendan Fraser just told me that in the next Mummy movie, MUMMY IN THE MUSEUM, he's also going to be playing The Mummy." "I didn't see those new Mummy movies." "Really. I have 'em here. Come over, we'll screen 'em." "Uh, okay. Maybe. I like Bit O' Hunneys, buttered popcorn and Dr. Pepper when I watch a movie, Q." "I got all that shit. Man, we'll screen every Mummy movie ever made. Did you see that Mummy episode of Spielberg's AMAZING STORIES?" "Yeah. For my money, that was the only good one." "He got some good actors for the show. Like that stupid one with the WWII bomber crew. Kevin Costner was the pilot and Casey Simeasko was the ball turret gunner." "That one was pretty good up until--" "The lame ass stupid ending!" "The lame ass stupid ending. That was the deal with a lot of those." "Did you know that I dressed like Kevin Costner for a week after I saw FANDANGO?" "Yeah, Q. I heard about that. Far be it from me to give you advice, since you're this great filmmaker and I'm not even a wannabee any more, but maybe you shouldn't talk about stuff like that to the press." "I dressed like Chow Yun Fat after I saw A BETTER TOMMOROW." "Uh huh." "And I dressed like John Travolta after I saw PULP FICTION." "Q., you MADE PULP FICTION." "I know, but I thought it was really cool when I saw it." "Me too. I like all your movies and I'm not just saying that." "Thanks, Buzz." "So, can I have some money?" "Yeah, sure." "Cool. I'll be buy to pick it up. Ciao!"
April 1, 2002, 1:50 p.m. CST
QT - you're a great director, but you absolutely suck as an actor. Are you so surrounded by yes men that you can't see that for yourself? or is your taste in movies so bad that you think you're actually pretty good? i can't tell. Great, you're now the Mickey Rooney of the new millenium. Get a real actor to play the role. What's the matter? Not enough Asian actors to pick from? your casting director sucks and now so do you.
April 1, 2002, 2:08 p.m. CST
QT as a 150-year-old asian kung-fu master . . . yeah, that'll work.
April 1, 2002, 2:31 p.m. CST
Jackie Brown is a terrific movie. People were down I it because it failed to deliver the same kick as Pulp Fiction. Think back to yesteryear - 1994 . . . Filmgoers were abuzz with praise for Quentin Tarantino's Pulp. That film has innovative storytelling, undeniable style, quirky romance -all the while, managing to stay true to its dark and twisted heart. Pulp is one of (if not "the") most important films of 90's American cinema. How is a filmmaker suppose to follow something as big, big, big as said monster? Well, Jackie Brown is the answer. Jackie is a clever adaption of Elmore Leonard's Rum Punch. However, there are just enough touches to make the material more Tarantino-esqe. The acclaimed director had to reverse course with his third feature. Pulp cast a long shadow. Tarantino had to get out from beneath it, or he would have been caught making the same movie over, and over, and over . . . In essence, Tarantino avoided being caught in a rut. Jackie is not as loud or vibrant as Pulp. No, it's more subtle - in some ways, more sophisticated. Take for example the score. Pulp's soundtrack gave that movie a manic, dreamy energy. Jackie's soundtrack (complete with smooth, old-school R&B and Soul) not only provides insights into the characters and helps set the corresponding scene, but also gives the piece a sense of maturity. The plot (about a group of people, beaten by life and desperate for one last shot at redemption)gradually builds in momentum. Finally, the viewer is treated to a taut department store caper scene that delivers the goods. This moment in the film is punctuated by Pam Grier - who gets to wear a familiar article of clothes (a stand-up and cheer, ultra-cool, put a smile on your face for hours visual). Jackie is loaded with dynamic performances (Grier, Robert Forster, Robert De Niro and Sam Jackson - is there anyone more awesome?). Tarantino really has a way of getting the most from his actors - Jackie is no exception . . . I say to people, judge Jackie Brown on its own terms. Jackie is not Pulp Fiction -it's a totally different movie. If you still don't like it - that's all right (I'm sure you have valid, well-constructed reasons). My only point is this: Give poor old Jackie a fair shake - you dig, sugar.
April 1, 2002, 2:43 p.m. CST
mindycohn2 is the biggest bitch ever! Film at 11! Goddamn, woman - can't you ever respond with something positive? You must live a sad, lonely little life if you can find so little joy in something that makes no difference upon the world in the longrun. I'm getting tired of all these trolls like her. Can't you fools just go out and have fun with movies anymore? Are you that cynical and full of yourselves?
April 1, 2002, 2:50 p.m. CST
after a troubled email conversation with Moriarty I can tell you what he wrote. He said it took him 20 mins to write the article and that it's true. So I'd say stop the talking about April fool's jokes and just hope Quentin will play a convincing kung fu master (me myself I doubt that, imagining him in that role). regards, sebastian, webmaster THE QUENTIN TARANTINO ARCHIVES www.tarantino.info
April 1, 2002, 3:29 p.m. CST
That's what I'm talkin about foooooo! Big Mo comin down hard with some sheeeyit that I be all like daayum. I'm all gonna be workin out nshit now too and practicatin my Hiyah!'s and my lotus and my drunkin toe n'all. Cuz it's springtime up in this bitch and it's time to start flexin nuts. Hieeeeyahh!
April 1, 2002, 3:37 p.m. CST
by Frank Black
QT can star in it, hold the camera, write the script, apply the make-up, do the martial arts, who cares as long as he keeps making movies. The best news of the day I saw over at darkhorizons.com. Christoph Gans is making a version of my favorite movie of all time, "Diabolik." Perfect match! Now if QT could do his "Modesty Blaise," we'd be all set, but I have a feeling "Kill Bill" is essentially as close as we'll get.
April 1, 2002, 3:48 p.m. CST
I had forgotten about April Fools until I read this rubbish. If this is true, the film will be terrible. Jarmusch has covered this type of movie with a degree of success, not sure it is for Quentin... IMHO
April 1, 2002, 4:01 p.m. CST
If this master is supposed to be a 150 year old Badass, then shouldn't Sonny be in THAT role? Maybe it's just one chapter of the film, and QT's got bigger plans for Chiba.
April 1, 2002, 4:46 p.m. CST
So what? It's completely trendy and mindless to dismiss these films because they, "don't like up to their predecessors," but this robs you of two expertly crafted films by two great directors. "Brown" is really a quiet little film, about a middle-aged man with a crush on a stewardess. This is the heart of the movie, and the scenes with Grier and Forster are what makes "Jackie" more than just a caper movie. "Eyes Wide Shut" is one of the most beautifully photographed movies is recent memory. I see it as taking a place beside "Waking Life" and "Mulholland Drive" as great movies that explore the reality/unreality of dreams. So, stop bashing these two movies just because they're not like other movies that you like by the same directors! Whew.
April 1, 2002, 4:50 p.m. CST
Tarantino couldn't act if his life depended on it.
April 1, 2002, 5:05 p.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
EXT. UMA'S APARTMENT -- NIGHT A delivery guy, actually PALL MELL in disguise, crosses the courtyard with a box full of food cartons. He rings Uma's doorbell. The door opens a crack, chained, and Uma's lovely eye peers out suspiciously. UMA:"Yeah?" PALL MELL: "I got your tofu-fried rice and veggie surprise and large diet coke." UMA:"You're not the regular guy. What happened to Raoul?" PALL MELL:"Uh, somebody jumped him, duct taped his mouth shut and left him tied nude to your gas meter." UMA:"What?" PALL MELL:"He got fired." UMA:"Okay. Hang on." Purse in hand, she opens the door. When Pell Mell hands her the food, he clamps a Mr. Spock nerve pinch on her. As she crumples paralyzed, Pell Mell catches the food. PALL MELL:"I hate to see tofu-fried rice and veggie surprises go to waste."...INT. KUNG FU FORTRESS -- FAMILY ROOM -- NIGHT Uma is chained to a high back chair. Her eyes are held open with hooks like Alex' in A CLOCKWORK ORANGE and she has one of those kinky ball gags in her mouth life Butch and Marsellus in PULP FICTION. A widescreen T.V. is on channel 3. Leering, Pall Mell sidles up to the VCR, tape in hand. PALL MELL:"Now, my dear, what I'm about to do to you will either drive you insane or make you the greatest female martial artist this side of Diana Rigg." Uma WHIMPERS. PALL MELL:"Ah, I sense you don't appreciate my AVENGERS reference. I sense someone's acting career was severely set back by a big screen version of THE AVENGERS. Nonetheless..." He pops in the tape. On screen, a TITLE appears: THE BEST OF KUNG FU THEATER....
April 1, 2002, 5:13 p.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
(Yes, you may call me Dr. Maverik and I'll only give your screenplays a bad grade if they're stupid)...."...reflecting a number of aesthic choices, the single striking image that Kubrick produces here (past choices being the Starchild from 2001; Alex's brainwashing in a CLOCKWORK ORANGE; Slim Pickens nuclear bomb ride in STRANGELOVE) is naked chicks in masks..."
April 1, 2002, 5:39 p.m. CST
by Lenny Nero
It's not gimmicky like his first two, and the dialogue, his and Leonard's, is so spot-on. This movie fucking rocks, and it's one of the most intelligent movies I've seen distributed widely. How 'bout that?
April 1, 2002, 5:52 p.m. CST
the best director cameo of all time is indisputable--scorsese in taxi driver, plain and simple. if anyone disagrees, they are wrong.
April 1, 2002, 6:17 p.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
Scorcese originally wanted Paul Schrader to play the part (which is probably closer to Schrader's warped psyche than Scorceses) but decided to do it himself, a good idea since Schrader has a speech impediment and we'd all probably watch that scene and go "Whut?"
April 1, 2002, 7:01 p.m. CST
Two Towers is looking good, only another 9 months to go.
April 1, 2002, 8:16 p.m. CST
Ive been looking on Imesh for the trailer for the last few days, to no avail. Though seeing it on a computer screen does not do it justice. The one shot with thousands of orcs punding the ground in front of Helms Deep blew me away in the theater, but has lost some seeing it at home. Anyway thanks for the link Manuwalde.
April 1, 2002, 8:37 p.m. CST
by Crazy Fresh DJ
BILL: Pai Mei, this is The Bride. I have brought her here so you can train her in the martial arts.****PAI MEI: Uh, yeah- just one second. This coffee. I-i-it's shit. Me. I like gourmet coffee.I, you know, buy the good kind. T-this is shit. I'm, like, 150 years old, okay, and, uh, get this- I can't get a decent cup of coffee. Know what I'm sayin'? Yeah.****(Meanwhile BILL and THE BRIDE are slowly edging towards the door) A-a-and another thing, my name, okay.Pai Mei. Yeah. Means 'Brown Log' in Mandrain. That, you know, i-it's a bit too close to 'shit', for me. Y-you know what I'm sayin'? So, I'm 150 years old here.****(BILL and THE BRIDE have long since left)
April 1, 2002, 8:58 p.m. CST
And, besides that, for those who have not been paying attention, "Kill Bill" should be the Uber-B-Film. I mean, come on: David Carradine? White people doing Kung Fu (this happens a lot in HK films, yes, but they usually play bad guys)? Revenge Plots? Remember, it's supposed to be "30 years of grind-house pictures in a Duck Press." God willing, it will be just the right kind of cheese.
April 1, 2002, 11:12 p.m. CST
by razor hanzo
i hope this is just an april fools joke, cuz i think this is a bad idea... dont get me wrong, i think Quentin is a kick ass director and screenwriter, but shit, him as an 150 year old martial arts master... they cant find an asian actor with the iconic status of wo ping, so let Quentin do the role...WRONG...if they want a chinese actor that is a cult movie icon...how about Phillip Kwok...he was one of the 5-fucking-dealy-venoms...he is lizard-fucking-kung-fu-badass-venom...a close second would be Gordon-fucking-36th chamber of death-master-killer-Liu...these are just a few that spring to mind for me... i love you Quentin, but c'mon, stay with the small, kickass cameos man.
April 2, 2002, 3:21 a.m. CST
i love tarantino and think his Hong Kong matrix like kung fu type movie will rock my balls, but i can't stop thinking about hot ass Uma Thurman... i mean what i wouldn't give just to go slipping and sliding in her rectum
April 2, 2002, 4:41 a.m. CST
by Why Zass
...because if Mory was going to hit us with one, it'd be something we actually GIVE A SHIT about. Quentin Tarantino playing a ninja master in his own movie? I say it's just stupid enough to be true. If he said he was a *silent* ninja master, then I know he'd be fulla shit.
April 2, 2002, 4:49 a.m. CST
...am I the only one who noticed that she attended the Oscars with two ultra-sized Golden Globes?? What the Hell! Those puppies NEVER looked that good before. Those must have been enhanced, man. Can anyone back me up on this?
April 2, 2002, 6 a.m. CST
even if it isn't a joke cut the man some slack his movies bring joy to many people...as for uma's "golden globes" she just had a kid dude...figure it out.
April 2, 2002, 6:17 a.m. CST
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE the Quentmeister's work, but this week the news about "Kill Bill" was kinda disappointing to me. First Warren Beatty, one of the coolest cats of yesterday's and today's cinema, drops out of the project, only to be replaced by David Carradine, who is not a bad choice at all for this film but a rather feeble actor in comparison to Beatty. Then Yuen Woo Ping, pretty much a kung fu legend, can't join the cast - Quentin replacing him could be either terrible or fantastic, but either way Ping is a tragic loss. What's next ? Uma Thurman getting pregnant again and The Bride being played by Piper Perabo instead ?? *shudders at the thought* Oh well, that's probably overdoing it a bit, but you get the idea. All of this doesn't change the fact that I am very much looking forward to "Kill Bill", mind you, and by the way, "Jackie Brown" was a GREAT picture ! 'Nuff said.
April 2, 2002, 12:40 p.m. CST
I love Quentin Tarantino as much as the next guy but come on, that's probably the worst idea I've heard in a while. With Harry "confirming" this story today as being true, you really got to worry. If this happens to be correct, I know QT's heart is probably in the right place but his head has got to be up his ass. If anyone in Hollywood tried having a white actor play a black character there'd be a shitstorm like the world had never seen. WHINK!!!
April 2, 2002, 12:43 p.m. CST
Was Joel Grey not available to play essentially the same character? Uma -"QT, you're amazing!" QT - "No! I am better than that."
April 2, 2002, 2:01 p.m. CST
"Black's fine." Jackie brown is by far the most matured film Quentin has done thus far and really if your a quentin fan your gonna dig all his work, acting aside. Otherwise your just a Travolta fan with seven more bones in your chopsocky.
April 2, 2002, 5:57 p.m. CST
April 4, 2002, 5:01 p.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
I was Q's inspiration for Mr. Blonde. It all started when we needed a hostage at the video store job and Roger Avary sort of shoved Q. our way. Back at the hideout, we played movie trivia and even though Q. beat me, he was impressed that I beat the rest of the gang. After I aced them out of the swag, me and Q. hit the movies together (Tony Scott's REVENGE, which only he and I liked) and we've sort of been best buds ever since. Now that Roger has wised up, I sort of do revisions on his scripts for him and do cameos. In this one, look for me as the hitman known as Bill's Collector. Wait'll you see Uma cleave me in half lengthwise.
May 25, 2002, 2:52 p.m. CST
that's what i read yesterday somewhere about reservoir dogs: "....this movie is about 10 years old and we're still discussing dialogues from it. imagine what we will experience while and after the release of kill bill." All that will start over again. all those tarantino-movie-comparisons, all the interpretations, articles, interviews, and so on. folks, just imagine what an AVALANCHE Kill Bill will start. I am personally blown off by the Kill Bill script, I can't wait for the movie. But when i think about all the stuff that has gathered on the internet for over 10 years now (all the websites, message boards etc...) i am really thinking: can the internet handle all the Kill Bill feedback??? ;-) i hope I can handle Kill Bill, because "i am trying ringo, i am trying real hard to be the..." webmaster of www.tarantino.info and I guarantee you guys that I will do my best to keep you informed and as soon as it is possible I will publish the script ( OF COURSE only when I don't get into trouble with Miramax). until then, be cool, all that discussion IN HERE you could also do at http://forum.tarantino.info , i'd be happy about that. be cool
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