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MORIARTY Visits Hobbiton For New Line's LORD OF THE RINGS DVD Party!!

Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.

You know what helps right now?

The soundtracks.

That's what helps me shift gears abruptly as a fan, allowing me to switch my allegiance at the drop of a hat. For example, I spent all morning listening to the soundtrack for ATTACK OF THE CLONES, freaking out at the wonderful way John Williams seems to have woven many of the Original Trilogy themes into this film's score, starting to connect the events more directly now. "Across the Stars" and the phenomenal "Confrontation With Count Dooku" track both had me doing backflips in the Lab, cranked all the way up. The way I figure, it doesn't matter if it's 2:30 AM. My upstairs neighbors are sure to understand just how lucky they are to be hearing the score a full month before it's official release.

When I climbed into my car late Tuesday afternoon, I was on a STAR WARS high, which was all wrong for walking into a New Line/LORD OF THE RINGS event. Slipping Howard Shore's Oscar-winning score into the CD player and cranking it as I made my way out of Hollywood and over the Cahuenga Pass served as a sort of fanboy reset, a palette-cleansing dunk into the proper mindset. As a result, after I made my way through the several security checkpoints and settled into the shuttle that was going to take us to the event, I was well and truly primed to see what New Line had planned to suitably set the stage for the DVD release of the single biggest franchise in their company's history.

The shuttle dropped us a full façade city block away from the Steven J. Ross Theater, and we were told to simply "follow the lights." Easy enough. There was a giant red carpet set up leading into the Ross, and I went to walk around it, along the side. One of the 3,642 New Line employees on display steered me back towards the red carpet, though, telling me to walk down it. "But I'm press," I argued, sure I was being steered in the wrong direction.

I had arrived late on purpose to avoid the red-carpet arrivals, since that's the sort of thing I just don't find interesting. Somehow, though, instead of being able to just avoid the subject entirely, I was suddenly being directed right down the center of things. As I walked down, I looked at the press that was for some reason roped off, waiting for the arrival of pretty much anyone but me, and I sort of shrugged apologetically as I hurried past them.

Inside, trays of finger food and endless glasses of wine and champagne were being circulated as everyone stood and chatted, waiting to be admitted to the theater itself. I've seen fans online lamenting LOTR for "losing" on Sunday at the Oscars, but you'd never know it from the people gathered here. Video retailers, licensers, distributors, reviewers, and others were all mixed together, all of them talking about LORD OF THE RINGS, all of them really digging it. And as they were talking, I wasn't hearing them talk about numbers or grosses or how many Oscars it won. Instead, I heard them talking about characters, about moments they liked in particular, about what they hoped we were going to be seeing. There was no one common age or sex or race in the room, no majority even. It was as diverse a crowd as you could have asked for. But they all sounded the same in their enthusiasm for the films, all of them sounding like genuine fans.

A charming woman from Houghton Mifflin, the company that's published Tolkien in the United States since the very beginning, happened to spot my nametag as she was walking by. "You'll never guess whose book I'm carrying around right now," she said.

"Mr. Knowles?"

"That's right," she said. "Mr. Knowles." We talked for a few minutes about how big the films were in terms of impact on the book world, and how excited they were about the releases still to come. Finally, we were allowed into the theater, and I took a seat four rows back from the front, dead center. I love the Steven J. Ross. It's an incredible room, with remarkably comfortable seating. I found myself so relaxed I was almost asleep as I waited for the theater to fill up.

People filed in around me, and I couldn't help but listen to the guys sitting behind me. One of them talked about working on the ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST DVD for Paramount, and how there's a lot of work that needs to be done on it. Before that work can begin, they are going to have to get certain original elements from the Leone estate, something they're working on right now. He also talked about the brand-new high-def transfer of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK that's just been done, and how he's heard the plan is to do each INDIANA JONES film separately in 2-disc sets, with RAIDERS due as early as fourth quarter of this year, where it would go head-to-head with ATTACK OF THE CLONES, SPIDER-MAN, the FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING extended version, and the BACK TO THE FUTURE box set.

Merry fucking Christmas to all of us, eh?!?

I saw John Rhys Davies and Dominic Monaghan both slip in, just as the lights went down. They were in the front row, but I couldn't see them thanks to the light show that started as a montage of stills scrolled by on the screen. Spotlights swirled, occasionally raking past and blinding me through direct exposure. Galadriel's narration, cut and pasted a bit, played under the images. It was nicely done, and led into a trailer of sorts, a beautifully edited reel of moments from FELLOWSHIP. Nice, if somewhat overwhelming, introduction to things.

Stephen Einhorn, the President and Chief Operating Officer of New Line Home Video, took the stage first to talk about the phenomenon of LORD OF THE RINGS, and how excited he is to be taking over on FELLOWSHIP now as it makes its way from the big screen to the home screen. We saw a clips tape of some of the highlights from Sunday's Oscar broadcast. Einhorn then detailed the "five-month event" that will stretch through the fall into the winter this year, starting in August with the release of the theatrical cut of FELLOWSHIP OF THE RINGS. This is a war, and New Line plans to win it. $65 million worth of promotional spending is going to keep the hype turned up to an extreme high all the way up to and through the release of the second DVD, which I'll detail below.

Robert Shaye, the co-chairman of New Line, was the next to get up to speak. I like Shaye. I like it when he speaks. He's relaxed and funny and damn personable, and he was understandably pleased as he spoke.

It's sort of amazing to see how far New Line has come since their founding. They were the guys who peddled PINK FLAMINGOS to theaters as a midnight film, an underground hit and run act that put them on the map, leading to their reputation as a smart exploitation producer. I remember when NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET hit theaters, and it wasn't like the way films are released now. It wasn't slapped onto 1,700 screens with a $25 million ad buy for the three weeks leading up to the Friday of release. The ad in the paper wasn't even with the other new releases. It was buried, a quarter the size, a bizarre painting with no recognizable names on it. I saw one commercial, and it did the trick. I saw three images in that commercial that seemed really cool, three things that I wanted to see again. I was well under 17 at the time, so my friend and I had to sneak into the theater where it was playing. It was the middle of the day, and there was no one else in the theater. It played to just us, and it blew our minds. Scared the living shit out of us. It still remains one of my all-time favorite afternoons in a theater, just because of how much crazier it seemed than most of what I saw. There was something delicious about having seen it, too. I told everyone I knew about the film, and I noticed that as people went to see it, they started to tell people about it, and people were going back to see it more than once. It was a genuine word of mouth hit. Watching New Line use Freddy to build a mini-major was impressive. They did it through sheer brute force of will. The '90s have been very good to New Line. I think they've hit some remarkable artistic highs with films like BOOGIE NIGHTS and SE7EN and MAGNOLIA, even as they managed to build major studio sized hits like THE MASK and DUMB AND DUMBER and the RUSH HOUR franchise. To see Bob Shaye talking about the success of LORD OF THE RINGS, to hear the numbers they're talking about at this point, it's a bit of an eye-opener. It's been a hell of a ride for the company, and they're going to celebrate this particular milestone by putting out a couple of seriously ass-kicking DVD editions.

He quoted Tolkien from when the first overtures were made to him regarding a film version of his life's work: "Give me art or give me cash." Shaye said the most satisfying thing about the project has been watching Peter Jackson manage both, somehow, making a film that feels personal in every detail, but that has connected with fans on a global scale.

He introduced a number of the New Line executives who were in the theater, all part of New Line's push on the film over the last year or more. Matt Lasorsa, Senior VP of Marketing, was the next executive to take the stage and speak. He really pushed the idea of the two-tiered release, and emphasized how different the two discs are. The consumer's not getting screwed here, since they won't be getting the same thing in November that they get in August in any way. Both discs are going to be worth owning, and combined, they represent a complete record of FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING as it stands right now.

August 6th is the day you'll be able to own the theatrical cut of the film, the PG-13 movie you've already seen. The cover for that 2-disc set is the final release one-sheet, a familiar image. They're doing a widescreen and a fullscreen release of the 178 minute movie in full 2.35:1, featuring a DVD-only Dolby EX 5.1 mix, but both will come with the same second disc, packed full of extras. There's a 10-minute behind the scenes preview of THE TWO TOWERS, hosted by Peter Jackson. There's three in-depth programs that show behind-the-scenes footage, including the Fox and the Sci-Fi Channel specials: "Welcome To Middle-Earth," "The Quest For The Ring," and "A Passage To Middle-Earth," all complete. There's also all fifteen featurettes created for Lord Of The Rings.net, the official site, with interview footage featuring most of the cast and key crew. There's theatrical trailers, TV spots, the Enya "May It Be" video, a preview of the Electronic Arts video game THE TWO TOWERS (set to be released the same day as the Special Extended Version in November), and a preview for the Special Extended DVD version of FELLOWSHIP.

Whew.

Pam Kelley, New Line's Senior VP of Sales, was up next, and she's the one who got to unveil the specs for the by-now-officially-dubbed Special Extended Version, a four-disc monster that comes in what looks like a thick green hardbound book with a simple embossed cover. It's HUGE. You could assault someone with it. It's not just a DVD box... it's a home security device. And the specs she revealed aren't actually very revealing because, as she explained, it's still in development.

She also showed us a Collector's DVD Box Set that will be out in limited numbers near Christmas. Basically, it's the Special Extended Version, the Nat'l Geographic special that was put out recently on DVD, and a few packs of the collectible game cards. The packaging is designed by Alan Lee, and comes with bookends for this whole set, carved replicas of Argonath.

Kelley took her seat, and my second-favorite speaker of the night got up, Mark Ordesky. Like Shaye, this guy looks not just relieved, but justified. As he pointed out, the biggest film he'd ever supervised for New Line before this cost a total of $6 million. "This was either incredible foresight or dumb luck," he laughed, all based on the fact that Peter Jackson had once crashed on Ordesky's couch while in LA to write a draft of an unproduced NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET sequel.

That reminds me... anyone ever read that? Anyone have a copy of it? I'll trade you a Peter Jackson/Fran Walsh CONCRETE for it if you do...

But I digress; Ordesky noted that August marks the four-year anniversary of New Line's involvement with the LOTR property. By the end of this process, Peter and his crew will have been on the film for a full decade. Astounding.

Ordesky talked about what a huge home video lunatic Peter Jackson is, about the home theater he has and how important it is to him, and about how much he wanted to make the home video release of the LORD OF THE RINGS films something special. This Special Extended Version isn't a "director's cut," since Peter was happy with the theatrical version. This is just a different version of the movie, something bigger, something that adds detail that should please fans enormously. I didn't believe that Howard Shore was actually composing and recording new score for this material until Ordesky confirmed it, but it's pretty cool news. Ordesky said how proud he is of the (*sigh*... one more time) Special Extended Version, and then narrated a slideshow of images from the new footage.

Here's a few of the highlights of what we saw:

The film opens now with Bilbo working on his journal, providing detail about hobbits and their culture.

During that narration, we see Samwise Gamgee working in the garden of Bag End.

We see Sam and Frodo singing together at the Green Dragon Inn. It's a moment of pure and simple joy before the outside world reaches in to ruin it for them.

En route to Bree, Frodo and Sam hide in some bushes and watch as some Elves leave Middle-Earth. There's a real sense that this world is being left to Man, for better or for worse.

As the hobbits sleep, en route to Weathertop, Aragorn sits watch, and he sings to himself, the haunting "Ballad of Beren and Luthien," the love story that mirrors the story of Aragorn and Arwen. Frodo wakes up and listens in, but doesn't interrupt.

Aragorn visits his mother's grave in Rivendell, further establishing his history and showing how he has been hunted by Sauron his whole life. He is, after all, the missing King of Gondor, and he could well be the thing that stops Sauron. This scene and others will help to pay off the third film even more.

There were two different slides from the departure of Rivendell, significantly longer here. There's more of a sense of Arwen and Aragorn saying goodbye to each other, an acknowledgement that anything could happen. Elrond also is there to send them off, and there's a bit of comedy as Frodo realizes he is supposed to lead the Fellowship, but doesn't even know if they go right or left as they leave. Gandalf suggests "right," and they go.

In the Mines of Moria, the sequence is expanded to show just what happened there, and to illustrate how it was the greed of the dwarves that led to their own destruction. Tolkien's work is layered with warnings about how our own nature can destroy us, and this scene re-emphasizes that.

Then there's the gift-giving scene. We saw several slides from this. Legolas gets his bow. Sam gets his elven rope (which Ordesky suggested "just might come in handy against a giant spider later... maybe").

And Gimli asks for and receives several strands of Galadriel's hair. He is smitten by the Lady of Lothlorien, something which suggests the possibility of healing in the relationships between the races. Personally, this is one of the things I am happiest to see PJ restore.

Finally, they showed us a slide of Pippin and Merry fighting orcs at Amon Hen and said that if, indeed, the Special Extended Version is re-rated as an R, it's this sequence that will do it. Ordesky said there was as little as 30 seconds difference here, but it's the difference between shooting eight arrows into someone or two, or showing a sword hit or not. They haven't submitted the film to the MPAA yet, so they aren't sure if they'll be forced to change the rating or not. Sounds like it would be a preposterous decision, but that New Line is willing to accept it without making Peter change his work.

Ordesky concluded his presentation by introducting Orlando Bloom, John Rhys-Davies, Dominic Monaghan, Richard Taylor, Peter Owen, and Ngila Dickson, all of whom were there, filling the front row. They took a moment to wave to the crowd, and then we were treated to Peter Jackson, via video (since he's back in NZ already, hard at work on THE TWO TOWERS), there to introduce the first public screening of the trailer that will be in theaters on Friday, attached to every print of FELLOWSHIP that's still playing.

My reaction to it is no different seeing it a second time. I think it's beautifully cut, and the thing that impresses me most is how the emphasis is placed squarely on character, not spectacle. Instead of giving us nothing but giant battle shots, Peter has chosen to emphasize the way the characters continue to grow and change as these events wear on them. For my money, it's all about Theoden. There's a scene in the trailer as he's dressing for war that is just chilling.

And then we spilled out the back of the theater into a courtyard that had been transformed into Hobbiton, where there was a wicked buffet of prime rib and rosemary potatoes and creamed spinach and endive salad and all sorts of other goodies. I ended up at a table with various licensers, including the guys from Electronic Arts, who are putting together the TWO TOWERS game. We talked about these films, other films, licensing in general. It was a great way to wrap up a great evening.

All in all, I can't wait for both of these DVD editions. This isn't a double-dip so much as it is an embarrassment of riches. Fans are going to have much to rejoice over, no matter what they buy, and here's hoping the (say it with me now) Special Extended Version manages to satisfy the film's harshest critics by fleshing out things that they felt Jackson shortchanged.

I'm going to see if I can go finish my KILL BILL piece now as a birthday present for Quentin, so I'll catch you later. Until then...

"Moriarty" out.





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  • March 27, 2002, 10:52 p.m. CST

    First

    by JonnyGT

    Nice Mori, great report. Apparently, there was an ad on FOX tonight for the new preview, and they showed a VERY short shot of Helm's Deep

  • March 27, 2002, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Star Wars and LotR sequels in a six month span. What a year.

    by Brian 2000

    Across the Stars RULES. FotR extended DVD RULES. Raiders on DVD RULES. More Sam in FotR RULES. God Bless Movies.

  • March 27, 2002, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Son of a gun...

    by Mythopoiea

    I'm almost in shameless fanboy tears over the insights on the deleted scenes. Tom Bombadil is probably the only thing I would consider adding. They got the elves in the forest, they got the Gimli/Galdriel thing, they got a song (Beren and Luthien no less!). Help me, Jesus.

  • March 27, 2002, 11:12 p.m. CST

    I'm going to be a broke bastard

    by AsgardTex

    Damn! I was just going to get the extended version, but now I think I want both. A 4-disc set of just the first movie? Jeezum-crow, how many discs will the entire trilogy cover? My credit cards shudder at the prospect... Oh yeah, the Episode II soundtrack is magnificent.

  • March 27, 2002, 11:16 p.m. CST

    yeah, but

    by Milktoast

    I'm a big Lord Of the Rings fan...I am looking forward to Star Wars. I like Star Wars alot. But, man, the thought of Kill Bill just gets me giddy. Seriously looking forward to that one. I hope to heck that I don't die before I get to see what that is going to be like. That's a feeling I haven't had since the first Batman when I was 12. Why does my excitement manifest in such a morbid thought as that? Because I'm serious! Put me in a brass urn and just gingerly place it on a seat in the theatre on opening night say if I do bite it. May seem meaningless and ridiculous. But I have a feeling that where ever my soul was that I'd know where my earthly remains were. I'd know. Since Moriarty bring up Kill Bill....

  • March 27, 2002, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Moriarty - Grammatical mistake

    by Dannychico

    Hey Moriarty and anyone else who is interested. This is a common grammatical mistake. In fact, some people will probably flame me saying that I'm completely wrong - but trust me, I'm not. This sentence: "That is Harry Knowles book," shouldn't be "That is Harry Knowles' book," like most people think. It should be "That is Harry Knowles's book." This is because you form the possessive singular of nouns by adding "'s", no matter if the person's name ends in "s" or not. Therefore: Charles's friend

  • March 27, 2002, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Moriarty - Grammatical mistake

    by Dannychico

    Hey Moriarty and anyone else who is interested. This is a common grammatical mistake. In fact, some people will probably flame me saying that I'm completely wrong - but trust me, I'm not. This sentence: "That is Harry Knowles book," shouldn't be "That is Harry Knowles' book," like most people think. It should be "That is Harry Knowles's book." This is because you form the possessive singular of nouns by adding "'s", no matter if the person's name ends in "s" or not. Therefore: Charles's friend

  • March 27, 2002, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Grammatical Mistake (Part II)

    by Dannychico

    These are all correct: Charles's friend Burns's poems The witch's malice The only exceptions are ancient proper names ending in "es" and "is". For example "Jesus' work" is correct. Other exceptions: "for conscience' sake" and "for righteousness' sake" Read Strunk and White's "The Elements of Style."

  • March 27, 2002, 11:30 p.m. CST

    DVDs

    by Darth Melkor

    The FOTR DVD super duper edition and the AOTC DVD both in November. Wow.

  • March 27, 2002, 11:32 p.m. CST

    New Line is doing it right

    by Mark Twain

    If this comes to pass, New Line has done the fans a real service. I for one would like to see a theatrical release of the missing scenes prior to the DVD release. There is no substitute for the big screen with this film, and it wouldn't hurt the box office cum either (number 6 on the all-time list, last time I checked at 800 mil). I missed most the Gimli/Legolas relationship when the book was adapted, and it sounds like the restored scenes add some of that back. I'd hoped for more of Aragorn growing into the role of King, but choices had to be made.

  • March 27, 2002, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Do not buy the "vanilla version" of LOTR... this is a SERIOUS P

    by Bregalad_

    Two sets of people that New Line is looking at: the hard core fan who buys everything and the casual soccer mom in Peoria, Illinois, who just buys a DVD for her husband & kids. She is the idiot who insists on buying the pan n' scan version, let's not forget!! And herein is the problem. MONEY TALKS and if we are not careful, we fans may lose out big time. Think about it. If sales of the "vanilla version" in August totally overwhelm the November release of the "Extended Version" that will signal to New Line (and other studios) that spending millions on producing Super Special Editions and adding lots of extras/bonus materials is not a strong selling point....... that regular consumers don't really give a shit....... and that soccer moms everywhere will blindly go and buy whatever is on sale at Target. What will true DVD enthusiasts have to look forward to then? I say don't buy both versions!!! Speak with your money, send a different signal to the studio.... and TELL THEM YOU WANT ONLY THE FULL SPECIAL EXTENDED VERSION. Buy the vanilla version and you are giving them the wrong idea of what the DVD market will bear.

  • March 27, 2002, 11:36 p.m. CST

    gonna bite my lip till all 3 are out as super extra happy meal b

    by Tall_Boy

    though I'm for sure going to rent the extra crispy edition a few times. (trying to keep the proper names straight is lunacy)

  • March 27, 2002, 11:38 p.m. CST

    say..

    by greyspecter

    is the four-disc edition going to have everything the two disc one does? i'm still not clear on that. man, i am excited for this year in films. LOTR:TTT, SW:ATOC, MIB2, Spiderman... BRING IT ON!

  • March 27, 2002, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Grammar lessons? On THIS site?!?! Get out of here, man....geez

    by BrashHulk

    What a stupid post. Anyway, I'm just giggling merrily away at the prospect of picking up these DVDs. It doesn't matter how many version of it they decide to produce - I'll get 'em all. These movies represent a long-awaited justification by geeks everywhere that the fantasy/sci-fi genre is just as valid as any other when it comes to their favorite movies being treated with respect - provided it gets treated with the proper respect (i.e. budget and talent), of course. With the overwhelmingly positive reaction that LOTR:FOTR has received world-wide, we D&D-playin', comic-book readin', Conan The Barbarian-watchin' folks finally feel a sense of validation for loving our genre so much. So yippee-ki-yay, motherf*ckers! Put out one-, two-, three-, four-, and five-disc sets! Put out a Superbit version! Put out a Mega-Mondo-Ultra-Ultimate-Edition! WE'LL BUY IT! WE'LL BUY THEM ALL!!! Ahhhhhh, it's good to be self-employed and rich.....

  • March 27, 2002, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Discs

    by Tokyo Joe

    If this keeps up, by the time Return of the King comes out I'll probably have 18 discs worth of Lord of the Rings. nd then the bastards will release a 20 disc box set with 2 extra discs of crap they couldn't be bothered putting in before. After calculating the monumental costs I conclude that I need a new DVD shelf...

  • March 27, 2002, 11:40 p.m. CST

    I'm really happy with the scenes they chose to reincorporate

    by IAmLegolas

    ...I wanted the scene of Haldir and his elf "troops" punking the Moria Orcs when they leave their crib. It was obviously filmed cuz there is a pic on the 'net where it shows elves searching through a bunch of dead orcs with white feathered arrows sticking out of their dead bodies. Also I wanted the scene where Gimli "falls in love" with Galadrial because it will be important not only with the whole elf/dwarf theme of the novels, especially when Eomer starts talking sh*t about Galadrial and Gimli tells him to shut the f*ck up. They still may show that scene, but it won't make sense to those that haven't read the novel. The one's that have just seen the movies won't know that Gimli has changed his views of the elves.

  • March 27, 2002, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Whoops, my bad

    by IAmLegolas

    I didn't read all of what Moriarty wrote because I've read all about this on other sites, but his review goes into more detail. I guess the Gimli/Galadrial thing is back in. Woo hoo!!!

  • March 27, 2002, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Another article over at <http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwoce

    by nazismasher

    I think this article might do a better job of guiding those that qualm at the prospect of palming over your wallet for both versions. Hey, Bregalad, I agree with the spirit of your argument but since both versions feature material that don&#39;t overlap I would personally feel that I was missing out by not owning the theatrical version as well. I only speek for myself in this regard though and I think most people won&#39;t want to fork over for a shorter version of the film.

  • March 28, 2002, 12:04 a.m. CST

    TALL BOY

    by Darth Melkor

    I agree.. I&#39;m thinking about doing that too cause I know when all three are done there will be this kickass box set. I would wait for the SW films too but there&#39;s a lot longer to wait than there is for LOTR. LOTR ends in just a year and a half. SW doesn&#39;t end till 2005 with any sort of box set not coming till 2006.

  • March 28, 2002, 12:06 a.m. CST

    sorry bregalad i think yer wrong

    by Ruethifer

    the marketing suits at new line have to be financially responsible enough to realize that its only going to be the super-rabid fanboys (& fangirls, like me) that are going to buy the special extended version. if they make stupid mistakes like you&#39;re think that they&#39;re going to make, then the suits get fired. they don&#39;t want to get fired. they like their cushy hollywood jobs. so why make an uninformed and stupid marketing decision. answer: they won&#39;t. the first version will indeed sell like hotcakes, and the s.e.v. will also make a ton of cash for new line, but the suits already know that it&#39;ll only sell to the drooling nerd faction (again, like me), so they&#39;ll probably turn it into a limited run of 100,000 or something else like that. they&#39;re not going to shoot themselves in the foot. they might graze their insteps, but they&#39;ll still be able to walk.

  • March 28, 2002, 1:05 a.m. CST

    I look forward to adding these to my DVD collection.

    by Darth Ranik

    They sound great! I can&#39;t wait to own the whole trilogy!

  • March 28, 2002, 1:11 a.m. CST

    The most important news in this article...

    by Lazarus Long

    Is about the release of Once Upon A Time In The West on DVD. This is the best thing I&#39;ve heard in a long time. One of the best westerns, hell, one of the best films ever, and now we&#39;ll get to see it in pristine quality. Unfortunately the old laserdisc is in Pan N Scan. I can&#39;t wait. Now they just need to find a print of Once Upon A Time In America--STARRING ACADEMY AWARD WINNER JENNIFER CONNELLY.

  • March 28, 2002, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Sergio Leone

    by catman

    I am excited about Once Upon A Time In the West as well. But My laserdisc is Widescreen. the picture does need some restoration though. This movie is not worth watching in pan and scan, a real travesty if you do.

  • March 28, 2002, 3:30 a.m. CST

    R rating

    by Andy_Christ

    "They&#39;ll accept it"? WTF? They&#39;ll be BEGGING for it. We&#39;re talking about a premium box-set here, having it be R-rated isn&#39;t going to appeal to the crowd that&#39;s going to be buying that?

  • March 28, 2002, 4:11 a.m. CST

    I realize I&#39;m probably alone here

    by St Buggering

    But I thought that the theatrical version was more than long enough; I really don&#39;t think it will be improved by increasing its length. The last act is already pretty damn slow, and the LAST thing it needs is more time spent in the already-snooze-inducing Lothlorien sequence. I like the film a lot, but I&#39;m rather mystified by this fan belief that all films would be better if they were longer. Many films work as well as they do precisely because they move quickly and don&#39;t wear out their welcome. Added detail is only desirable so long as it continues to move the story forward. I can&#39;t be alone in feeling little interest in a four-hour version of "Fellowship". Can I? Anyone? Hello? (Crickets)

  • March 28, 2002, 4:25 a.m. CST

    while a 3 and a half hour version may affect the pacing of the f

    by Tall_Boy

    besides, when its all said and done, they aren&#39;t supposed to be viewed as individual films, but instead as one big story, so an extra 30 min or so won&#39;t really matter all that much. In fact, it would enhance it an create a more epic feel to it. And I&#39;m all about an R-rated cut of the flicks. But, ya, patience is the key because they should be viewed as a single entity. 3 years I can handle. Like DarthSpooky said, for Star Wars, though, I bet the complete 6 film set would be out in 2010 or something and I wouldn&#39;t want to wait THAT long. Personally, I&#39;m not a fan of mini editions and then a deluxe edition down the line. I&#39;d rather wait to get a full multi-disc set instead. Boo to stagered releases!

  • March 28, 2002, 4:27 a.m. CST

    I only insist that they have an isolated score track on the SpEd

    by Cash Bailey

    Seeing as how Shore won that much deserved Oscar for his score I hope they re-think and put it on. I also want a 3-CD set of the scroe released ASAP. &#39;The Breaking of the Fellowship&#39; is the most beautiful piece of film music I&#39;ve ever heard. In fact, I&#39;m listening to it right now, saying the dialogue from the film as it appears during the movie. I&#39;m up to "I made a promise..." Fuck, I&#39;m crying...

  • March 28, 2002, 4:45 a.m. CST

    I&#39;d give my left nut to read PJ&#39;s ELM STREET draft.

    by Cash Bailey

    It&#39;s bound to smoke that nonsense they eventually made with the Nintendo power glove and shit.

  • March 28, 2002, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Buggering, that&#39;s the difference between 4 hours in the thea

    by The Killer-Goat

    and 4 at home in the comfort of your own sofa. Take your intermission pee breaks whenever you wish, I know I will! Damn carbonated drinks...

  • March 28, 2002, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Take your breaks where you want

    by wilko185

    but the SE version will be split on to two discs. So at some point we&#39;ll have to get off our asses and change discs. The list of extra scenes is not comprehensive, from what I gather from other reports. There are several scenes we know were shot which could also be included in the 3.5 hour cut, such as Gil-galad kicking ass in the prologue, the crossing of Midgewater Marshes, and as already mentioned Haldir and co killing orcs on the borders of Lorien. I&#39;d sacrifice the last two of these for more time in Moria (eg Gandalf&#39;s first encounter with the Balrog. We seem him in the film catch up with the rest of the Fellowship looking slightly knackered at one point. What happened there?). _____ BTW, the standard DVD will go for

  • March 28, 2002, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Raiders n a 2 disc DVD set!? God is great! YAYYYY!! Ha!

    by Iroquois_Pliskin

    As for TFOTR... I pray you dont lose your remotes or vowe to view the movie without a bathroom break. It will be a DVD x-mas for me!!!!

  • March 28, 2002, 5:35 a.m. CST

    I hope we get the extended version here in Britain.

    by mr_sprout

    The BBFC doesn&#39;t allow two versions of a movie with different ratings, apparently. So, if the extended cut is more violent, it will have a higher rating for sure (it was pushing the limits of a PG rating as it was), so therefore either we won&#39;t get the theatrical cut OR we&#39;ll get a cut extended version to keep it a PG. Either way sucks. They&#39;d better change their policy, and fast.

  • March 28, 2002, 6:35 a.m. CST

    August release will be released in widescreen and full

    by wilko185

    you pays yer money and makes yer choice. The SE in November is widescreen only, AFAIK.

  • March 28, 2002, 7:59 a.m. CST

    "The consumer&#39;s not getting screwed here, since they won&#39

    by Martin_Blank

    Uh, fans are STILL going to have to buy this twice. Why can&#39;t they just do a seamless-branching director&#39;s cut disc, and throw all the supplements on two other discs and release it ONCE? Fuck the August release, we can wait till November for ONE good solid edition with everything. But no, apparently you can&#39;t just wait for the Extra Super Special Edition because the first edition might have stuff that the second won&#39;t. It annoys me that there&#39;s going to be a different set of goodies on both editions. Then again I am very much of the "Do it right the first time, ONCE" school of DVD buying. Still haven&#39;t bought that fancy EVIL DEAD Book of the Dead thing.

  • March 28, 2002, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Region 2 details

    by wabznasm

    Same as Region 1: http://www.r2-dvd.org/article.jsp?sectionId=7&articleId=3789

  • March 28, 2002, 9:05 a.m. CST

    So how will they justify the price?

    by sanc_reunion

    I&#39;m sure the 4 DVD set will cost $40, so how is that justified? The entire LOTR trilogy was made for $200 million, the first installment has made $300 million already. So I guess $500 million in profit from Two Towers and ROTK (being generous with marketing/advertising costs) isn&#39;t enough for New Line? They need to rape fans of the movie even more so they can crank out more shit like "Jason X"? DVDs cost about $0.20 per DVD to burn including media and labor and equipment costs. No wonder these people are so hysterical about internet piracy, they don&#39;t want their cartel&#39;s little racket to be exposed. This DVD set, plus extras, should cost $20 at most. Even $15 would make them a huge profit.

  • March 28, 2002, 10:25 a.m. CST

    DVDs

    by symphy

    ...actually, even on multi-thousand copy mills cost about $2-$3 each to manufacture. But what you&#39;re paying for is not so much the media, but the tons and tons of cost that goes into producing the discs (voiceover talents, animators, documentarians, sound technicians, DVD menu creators, etc.)

  • March 28, 2002, 10:28 a.m. CST

    addendum

    by symphy

    ...so, each DVD costs the company about $7-8 each when production costs are factored in, so selling a four-disc for $40 is, actually, pretty reasonable, since the vendors have to take a cut, too. We took a course here on music and video production and everybody was surprised how little relative profit is made from video sales. (CD sales have better profit margins).

  • March 28, 2002, 10:30 a.m. CST

    I am a geek.

    by BigW

    Just wanted to let everyone that yes, I am going to buy both. I am happily going to get "screwed" by them. Yes, at some level I know that this is a big marketing gimmick. I know the suits are ripping me off. But hey, if I paid 8 bucks to see that piece of crap Planet of the Apes in the theatre, I can damned well plunk down a couple of hundred for this. And hopefully this will help convince Hollywood to make more LOTR calibre films, since there is money to be made in it.

  • March 28, 2002, 11:06 a.m. CST

    This Is A Great Time To Be A Student of the Geek Arts

    by NoCureForFools

    sweet Jeebus! we got the DVDs, we got the insanely violent video games, anime on tv, the story of Darth Vader&#39;s tragic youth, various comic book heros come to life, Middle Earth without the rotoscoping and it just keeps coming! what&#39;s next? an actual alien invasion and the only weapon we have against them is a squadron of sexy teenage girls piloting giant robots? as it was written: the Geeks shall inherit the earth (or at least a massive credit card debt... hey, we could always blow up the credit card companies!)

  • March 28, 2002, 11:17 a.m. CST

    What? No time machine?!?

    by Damitol

    Good article Moriarity. Thank you for dispensing with the usual nonsense and giving us a well written piece that helped me share the experience - if only vicariously. Second - I was fully expecting 70 Talkbacks (but then, the day is still young) bitching about double dipping, when this is so obviously different. Not only are they announcing the super genius version prior to the release of the theatrical, but it sounds like the "extra" content will be completely different. My plan was to rent the August release and buy the one in November, but Jesus - we&#39;re talking $17.99 at Best Buy the first week. That&#39;s two movie tickets, or one tank of gas, or a dinner for one (with two good beers) at TGI Friday&#39;s - that you just shit out 12-24 hours later. I&#39;ll easily get my $17.99 worth of enjoyment out of the 2-pack prior to the November release. Finally - Peter - please, please, please make the 36 minute reel that sold the whole concept to New Line with a commentary track part of the super genius set. This franchise will be with us a long, long time as most other films of this decade are forgotten (i.e. "A Beautiful Mind"), and the story of how that 36 minutes in New Line&#39;s offices was the final shot you had and the real difference between LOTR either being made scrapped, will become Hollywood legend.

  • March 28, 2002, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Uh, Moriarty when you say...

    by WarDog

    "The consumer&#39;s not getting screwed here, since they won&#39;t be getting the same thing in November that they get in August in any way. Both discs are going to be worth owning, and combined, they represent a complete record of FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING as it stands right now." ***** I just don&#39;t get it. Why would I buy the theatrical version when I can wait a few months and buy a different version which is the theatrical version AUGMENTED? Cost? When it comes to LotR, why should I care about cost? I can&#39;t agree with the inclusion of all the scenes in the Special Extended Version you mention--most of them seem really extraneous, glad they were not in the theatrical version--but I can live with them. I suppose some will want to stick with the theatrical version if they don&#39;t like most of the extra stuff put into the Special version, but this is DVD, and they can always skip over those scenes. ******** Ultimately, to me, it just doesn&#39;t make sense to buy two copies of something, when one is just an enhanced version of the other. It still seems like a sneaky marketing ploy to get people to spend their money on more than one version of a movie. As for the Christmas-release Collector&#39;s Edition, I already have the Natl. Geog. special on order from Amazon. I don&#39;t need that to be bundled with the FotR and cards to boot.

  • March 28, 2002, 11:31 a.m. CST

    And I&#39;m singin, If it feels this good gettin used

    by Pallando Blue

    You just keep on usin meeee... Til you use me up! ...Who knew Bill Withers was all along talkin &#39;bout my LOTR addiction? But he had a point: who&#39;s usin who, baby? I WANT IT ALL, and damn if they ain&#39;t givin it to me!

  • March 28, 2002, 11:35 a.m. CST

    OrionsAngel...

    by Damitol

    Yes there will be disk swapping on the 4-disk set. A dual layer DVD can hold about 4 hours of silent video content. Once you add the 5.1 soundtrack, the Dolby 2.0 soundtrack (DTS? Please?), a director&#39;s commentary, alternate language soundtracks, subtitles, captions, full motion menus and "Do Not Copy This Or We Will Kill You" warnings in both English and French - you can easily lose an hour or more of room for video. Since the deluxe version of the movie will be 3.5 hours in length *and* will contain all of those other things, they will have no choice (with today&#39;s technology) but to take a break in the middle. I&#39;ll be ready for a pee break by that point anyway, so since I&#39;ll be off of the couch already... That will, by my estimates give them room over the two disks to a) include a couple of hours worth of extras (including isolated score?), b) transfer the extended version at a higher bit rate for even better picture and sound or c) leave blank and waste because few people will notice anyway. Here&#39;s hoping for a) or b).

  • March 28, 2002, 11:50 a.m. CST

    God I hate director&#39;s cuts

    by ZakChase

    Except for in the few instances where a director&#39;s vision did not even come close to making it to the screen (i.e. "The Abyss"), I wish we could do away with director&#39;s cuts all together. I would so much rather have "Superman" as originally released rather than the version put out on DVD. Christ, that scene where Supes trys to hug Marlon Brando&#39;s head is awful. Another example -- "True Romance." The theatrical cut is better, but unfortunately, it&#39;s non-existant at this point. Now I have to deal with this new version of "Fellowship" which I don&#39;t want. The theatrical release was perfect. Not too long. Not too short. All that stuff that&#39;s being put into the new cut is unnecessary. Even Peter Jackson knows this. That&#39;s why he keeps saying, "It&#39;s not a director&#39;s cut! It&#39;s an extended cut!" And the beginning is changed? What the fuck? I think the portions of "Fellowship" I hold most dear are the first 15 minutes (especially when "The Fellowship of the Ring" title appears overtop of Frodo reading against the tree) and the last 15 minutes. It&#39;s just New Line trying to take more of our money. I really just wish I could buy the theatrical cut with all the good extras (especially the commentaries). Oh well...

  • March 28, 2002, 11:57 a.m. CST

    AOTC Soundtrack at 2:30 AM

    by The Praetor

    It&#39;s a good thing I&#39;m not your neighbor Moriarty. I for one wouldn&#39;t give a crap what you were listening to at 2:30 AM if it was loud enough for me to hear it. I&#39;d come right over and tell you to turn that shit off.

  • March 28, 2002, 12:13 p.m. CST

    I agree with ZakChase just a little

    by IAmLegolas

    I hope when they mean that the new Bilbo scene is at the beginning, they meant the beginning of The Shire scene because the way the movie opens now, with blackness and just Galadrial&#39;s voice and then the title logo and then the Last Alliance smackdown into the history of the one ring is just PERFECT. Oh well I&#39;ll be getting the 2-disc in August and the limited edition 4-disc in November with the Alan Lee statuettes. I don&#39;t care if it retails for $99.99! MINE! MY PRECIOUSSS!!!!!

  • March 28, 2002, 12:30 p.m. CST

    The Two Tower pics!!! A LOT OF THEM, FLY YOU FOOLS!!!!

    by IAmLegolas

    http://personales.ya.com/movienews/elsenyordelosanillos2/info.html

  • March 28, 2002, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Argonath statues? I want them now.

    by Hawq

    Is there a picture of how the Argonath bookends will look? If they are well done, I will have to own them! What better way to display your Tolkien book (or DVD) collection? Put me down as being one more loser who will buy every edition they ever put out of this movie trilogy, regardless of cost. I&#39;m glad to hear PJ&#39;s a home theater nut, &#39;cause that means he&#39;ll make sure it&#39;s done right, like making sure there&#39;s NO EDGE ENHANCEMENT! ******As far as grammer goes- who cares about nit picky rules, like how to pluralize a word that ends with an &#39;s&#39;? I&#39;ve noticed you can find conflicting rules from different grammer "authorities", so stop worrying about it. Or is it &#39;authorities&#39;? BTW- I&#39;m talking about insignificant rules, not completely annoying shit-head grammer, like Harry constantly using "noone" instead of "no one".

  • March 28, 2002, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Two things:

    by brokentusk

    1. Are we still going to get the amazing narration from Galadriel at the beginning of the Special Extended Version? I hope so... 2. Is the &#39;Special Extended Version DVD Set&#39; going to include all the cool features from the first 2-disc DVD release in August (i.e. trailers, previews etc.?) In other words - are we going to have to spend money on both DVD sets or can we just wait for the November release to get everything together?

  • March 28, 2002, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Getting it right.

    by rabid_republican

    I think the most profound part of this article was listneing to some of those industry folks talk about hpw much they loved the material rather than how to market it. For some reason, I always come back to this when I examine how successful LOTR has been. In throwing their whole heart n&#39; soul into providing a product true and worthy of original material (according to the verdict of an overwhelmingfan base) Newline has hit upon the right combination in ensuring the long term success of their most popular franchise. For those naysaying this as a marketing ploy (of which there have been some on other boards), I&#39;d only suggest that it&#39;s a marketing ploy if one feels cheated and thus far I feel no such thing. I still recall my only gripe w/ FOTR was the feeling that some transitions were missing from the film. I&#39;m almost certain this second release will completely quell this inadequecy.

  • March 28, 2002, 2:04 p.m. CST

    The extras are different on the Aug and Nov dvds

    by Maximus21

    I read(somewhere) that the extras will be different on both dvds. therefore, you can buy the august and november dvds and not feel like your buying the november one only for the extended cut. I&#39;m getting both!

  • March 28, 2002, 2:17 p.m. CST

    not getting screwed my ass

    by jonleeus

    why not just wait...put out the definitive dvd at once...and not screw fans out of there hard earned cheddar?? hollywood.

  • March 28, 2002, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Sound

    by Roosterbooster

    Only a Dolby 5.1 soundtrack? I spit on dolby 5.1. I want DTS.

  • March 28, 2002, 2:56 p.m. CST

    anyone help me out with....

    by pavemental

    anyone steer me towards a certain dvd-rip or avi files? Those AOTC mp3s sure are good...

  • March 28, 2002, 3:32 p.m. CST

    great report moriarty!!!

    by drjones

    GREAT moriarty!even this raiders dvd scoop...THANKS. i guess i`ll have to buy a dvd-player. i`m especially looking forward to the extended edition. i LOVE fotr as it is but i think it can still be better with these scenes. those are the scenes i still missed in the movie. DANNYCHICO!!!! i trust you. i always knew that my english teacher is has no idea of what he teachs us... thanks for the clue!-)

  • March 28, 2002, 4:03 p.m. CST

    If Lucas pulled something like this...

    by MOSDEF

  • March 28, 2002, 4:04 p.m. CST

    If Lucas pulled something like this...

    by MOSDEF

    You guys would call him the Anti Christ. I Want the theatrical cut WITH commentary dammit!

  • March 28, 2002, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Damn them! Damn them all to hell!!

    by exPFCWintergreen

    I wish the Special Expanded Version had the theatrical cut as well. I loved FOTR, but there&#39;s now way in hell I&#39;m spending $70 to $80 for both versions. I&#39;m going to get one or the other. Probably the August release. I want to see the 3.5hour cut pretty badly, but unless a friend happens to have it - I guess I&#39;ll do without.

  • March 28, 2002, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Sound (UK release, at least)

    by wilko185

    From www.dvddebate.com "Discs 1 & 2 will contain the extended cut of the film, presented in 6.1 Dolby Digital EX Surround, 2.0 Stereo Surround and in a surprise announcement that wasn&#39;t included on the US press material, a full 6.1 ES DTS track." ______ You can please some of the people some of the time.... It really seems as if New Line, in a bold departure for a Hollywood studio, are doing their best not to piss off the fanbase. Of course, we&#39;ll always find something to complain about....

  • March 28, 2002, 6:01 p.m. CST

    cool

    by Dragonfire

    Those deleted scenes sound brilliant, especially the character expansion on strider. I&#39;m not buying the normal edition though. Rather wait for the special edition, though it&#39;s going to be a painfully long wait. To all the people complaining that the deleted scenes they hoped were going to be in are not in, note that Moriatry said these were some of the deleted scenes, not all of them.

  • March 29, 2002, midnight CST

    Dark City

    by wilko185

    Bruce Spence was in Dark City. Bruce Spence plays the Mouth of Sauron in LOTR. That photo is not of Bruce Spence. Damn, fell at the final hurdle ...... www.theonering.net/movie/cast/spence.html

  • March 29, 2002, 11:26 a.m. CST

    True

    by Darth Melkor

    They are releasing three versions as you&#39;ve said. Even after the Extended Edition comes out there&#39;s another super one with book ends and a booklets etc. New Line is getting extremely greedy with their movie. Bash Lucas all you want but he&#39;s never released three versions of a movie in the same year as well as add a trailer as a ploy to get you to see the movie again in the theater. I&#39;m buying the November one and that&#39;s it.

  • March 29, 2002, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Beatles wanted to do LotR back in the 60&#39;s

    by Plan9

    Can&#39;t believe people who are suposedly so hooked up would miss something like this http://my.aol.com/news/news_story.psp?type=4&cat=0800&id=0203282027420491 Lennon as Gollum would have been da bomb as would Ringo as Sam.

  • March 29, 2002, 1:24 p.m. CST

    So there IS a DTS soundtrack? Hooray!

    by Roosterbooster

    Thanks Wilko185, you&#39;ve rescued my holiday weekend.

  • March 29, 2002, 2:03 p.m. CST

    ya. the fanboy bitch squad is going easier on New Line than they

    by Tall_Boy

    Betcha dollars to donuts, Harry and Moriarty would rasie a stink to high-heaven if this was being done with Ep. II.

  • March 29, 2002, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Any Bree Add-ons?

    by ArPharazon

    The one area in FOTR I thought was too trimmed down was the Bree sequence. I would have liked to have seen Gandalf&#39;s letter. . . or the "All that is gold does not glitter" verses. . . or the Nazgul attack on Merry. . . or Sam buying Bill the Pony and whacking Bill Ferny in the face with the apple. . . or more about Rangers and the Bree-landers distrust of them. I think the movie glossed over the hobbits&#39; mistrust of Aragorn too lightly. I mean, without even Gandalf&#39;s letter, they followed him off into the wild. Finally, I hope the extended version gives the viewer a better feeling of time. I want to feel like Frodo&#39;s journey to Rivendell took a over month. I want to feel like Gandalf was gone for 17 years when he left Frodo in Hobbiton. I want to feel like it took days to get through Moria.

  • March 29, 2002, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Whose getting screwed?

    by fladnaG

    I don&#39;t understand this. Newline decides to put out the theatrical release of the movie in August with a bunch of extras on it. Then they decide to put out the DVD of the Special edition in November and a Super Duper special edition out in December And the only difference between the SE and the SDSE is a booklet and Bookends. But both the DVD&#39;s have material that WILL NOT be on the theatrical release. Whose getting screwed? It sure as hell isn&#39;t the fans. I can&#39;t believe people are bitching. The company is telling you upfront that there will be two editions this year and they are telling you exactly what will be on them. Would you rather them release the theatrical version then wait a couple years and surprise you with the SE? Fuck no. By letting you know what&#39;s coming you can make the decision now whether or not to buy one or both. I honestly think this is a great move by Newline that shows that they are thinking of the fans. Just look at it this way at least they are not putting it out solely on VHS, charging $40 if you want the widescreen version, saying they won&#39;t be releasing a dvd until the rest of the movies are done and then announcing six months later that they will be releasing a dvd for the movie before the other two come out. Luckily Newline isn&#39;t taking a leaf out old George&#39;s book. Thank you Newline.

  • March 29, 2002, 3:03 p.m. CST

    something bugging me

    by combonews7

    what i want to know is: how is Peter Jackson going to handle the sword merry is supposed to get at the barrow downs, and it&#39;s role in the return of the king?? how is he getting around that? I&#39;ve seen no mention here about the old forest or the barrow downs added into the special extended edition.......

  • March 29, 2002, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Merry&#39;s Sword

    by Jaqen H'ghar

    Merry&#39;s sword will probably be given to him by Theoden in that scene on the pedestal above Edoras that we&#39;ve all seen images of. As for the extended version, something that concerns me is the departure form Rivendell with the &#39;which way do we go&#39; gag - it seems to me that the departure worked well as a pretty solemn occasion. I&#39;m not that impressed by the hobbiton additions - what I want to see is more material relating to the history of middle earth - especially the inclusion of Gil-Galad and Elendil by name in the prologue, and the destruction of glad by the heat of Sauron&#39;s hand. If they do that, then they could include Aragorn&#39;s description of Amon Sul - "where Elendil waited for Gil-Galad in the days of the Last Alliance" - which I bet my life was edited out. As for the battle on the edge of Lorien, it was probably best left out - we already have a clean transition from danger to safety which works well. Remember that critical review: "It was repetetive. One battle more or less wouldn&#39;t have mattered..." I&#39;m looking forward to seeing Strider&#39;s song of Berern and Luthien - I&#39;m curious about how Peter does that - will there be accompanying music, or just the sound of the wind and the fire and Strider&#39;s lonely voice?***** Some more general points on LOTR: will the moth be back? Definitely my favourite minor character in LOTR. I hope he returns - its a powerful emblem of good and can serve as a useful plot device. How &#39;bout if he made his fluttering way all the way to Mordor, to provide hope for Sam and/or Frodo in their moments of blackest despair? A guide to Frodo&#39;s cell? Awesome possibilities. ***** I&#39;ve been thinking of how they&#39;ve done the &#39;flying steeds&#39; of the ringwraiths. I visualised them being akin to giant black vultures, with sinuous long necks, cruel beaks and feathered in blacks barbs. Perhaps with webbed, bat-like wings, and claws. This would make them equivalent to the giant eagles. I&#39;d really like to see them do some damage on the Pellenor. I hope they include the entirety of the Eowen v WitchKing confrontation. From memory: "Do no stand between the Nazgul and his prey. Or I will not kill thee in thy turn. Instead, I will be thee away to the House of Lamentation, where thy shrivelled mind will be stripped bare and lie naked beneath the Lidless Eye." Way cool. Certainly beats most bad-guy monologues. I wasn&#39;t very happy with WK&#39;s voice in Fellowship = "Give up the Halfling, She-Elf" but Peter should give it more force in ROTK to underline the Nazguls&#39; growth in power. ******One other thing concerns me. We know the flying steeds are big, large enough to carry at least 2 people. How is Eowen going to cut one&#39;s head off with one blow? In &#39;real life&#39; it just couldn&#39;t happen. I doubt she could cut off a horse&#39;s head like that. Hopefully Peter just has her stab it through the eye or mouth - but only after its had an opportunty to disembowell Snowmane and make carrion out of a few Riders, to establish its power and evil. Which leads to the death of the WitchKing, that could be handled in any number of ways. I&#39;m pretty sure they&#39;re not going to go with the "floating googlie eyes" option, but I guess we&#39;ll have to wait 21 months to find out.***** Back to T2T: has Peter left in the meeting of Eomer and Aragorn on the Eastmarch? My guess is no. I reckon the 3 hunters will run all the way to Fangorn, where they find the handiwork of the Riders and ponder the mystery of what happened to the Halflings. ***** Cheers.

  • March 29, 2002, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Merry&#39;s Sword

    by Jaqen H'ghar

    Merry&#39;s sword will probably be given to him by Theoden in that scene on the pedestal above Edoras that we&#39;ve all seen images of. As for the extended version, something that concerns me is the departure form Rivendell with the &#39;which way do we go&#39; gag - it seems to me that the departure worked well as a pretty solemn occasion. I&#39;m not that impressed by the hobbiton additions - what I want to see is more material relating to the history of middle earth - especially the inclusion of Gil-Galad and Elendil by name in the prologue, and the destruction of glad by the heat of Sauron&#39;s hand. If they do that, then they could include Aragorn&#39;s description of Amon Sul - "where Elendil waited for Gil-Galad in the days of the Last Alliance" - which I bet my life was edited out. As for the battle on the edge of Lorien, it was probably best left out - we already have a clean transition from danger to safety which works well. Remember that critical review: "It was repetetive. One battle more or less wouldn&#39;t have mattered..." I&#39;m looking forward to seeing Strider&#39;s song of Berern and Luthien - I&#39;m curious about how Peter does that - will there be accompanying music, or just the sound of the wind and the fire and Strider&#39;s lonely voice?***** Some more general points on LOTR: will the moth be back? Definitely my favourite minor character in LOTR. I hope he returns - its a powerful emblem of good and can serve as a useful plot device. How &#39;bout if he made his fluttering way all the way to Mordor, to provide hope for Sam and/or Frodo in their moments of blackest despair? A guide to Frodo&#39;s cell? Awesome possibilities. ***** I&#39;ve been thinking of how they&#39;ve done the &#39;flying steeds&#39; of the ringwraiths. I visualised them being akin to giant black vultures, with sinuous long necks, cruel beaks and feathered in blacks barbs. Perhaps with webbed, bat-like wings, and claws. This would make them equivalent to the giant eagles. I&#39;d really like to see them do some damage on the Pellenor. I hope they include the entirety of the Eowen v WitchKing confrontation. From memory: "Do no stand between the Nazgul and his prey. Or I will not kill thee in thy turn. Instead, I will be thee away to the House of Lamentation, where thy shrivelled mind will be stripped bare and lie naked beneath the Lidless Eye." Way cool. Certainly beats most bad-guy monologues. I wasn&#39;t very happy with WK&#39;s voice in Fellowship = "Give up the Halfling, She-Elf" but Peter should give it more force in ROTK to underline the Nazguls&#39; growth in power. ******One other thing concerns me. We know the flying steeds are big, large enough to carry at least 2 people. How is Eowen going to cut one&#39;s head off with one blow? In &#39;real life&#39; it just couldn&#39;t happen. I doubt she could cut off a horse&#39;s head like that. Hopefully Peter just has her stab it through the eye or mouth - but only after its had an opportunty to disembowell Snowmane and make carrion out of a few Riders, to establish its power and evil. Which leads to the death of the WitchKing, that could be handled in any number of ways. I&#39;m pretty sure they&#39;re not going to go with the "floating googlie eyes" option, but I guess we&#39;ll have to wait 21 months to find out.***** Back to T2T: has Peter left in the meeting of Eomer and Aragorn on the Eastmarch? My guess is no. I reckon the 3 hunters will run all the way to Fangorn, where they find the handiwork of the Riders and ponder the mystery of what happened to the Halflings. ***** Cheers.

  • March 31, 2002, 12:10 a.m. CST

    FOTR super duper edition

    by SariFan

    According to the lordoftherings.net site, the super duper edition, with the bookends and everything, will be released November 12, same as the special extended edition (or whatever we&#39;re calling it.

  • March 31, 2002, 10:24 a.m. CST

    TTT preview

    by Iz Man

    Does anyone know if this preview is online yet? Havent been able to find it on KaZaa

  • March 31, 2002, 2:05 p.m. CST

    I have been watching a LOTR/FOTR DVD all weekend - you want one?

    by Greedo_Is_Gay

    My friend hooked me up. And I have to say, you know, I wish I paid money for this thing. For me, the value has been diluted. I have been given a DVD copy of this movie I paid ten bucks to see. I have it five months before the public will get it Now I don&#39;t have to make an event out of the movie. Yeah, it&#39;s good, but I expect it to be good. You know, it has no special things added, but when it comes down to it this thing does nicely.

  • March 31, 2002, 11:11 p.m. CST

    ttt preview

    by semuta

    if anybody has the new preview online, please post a link.

  • ...they can&#39;t include the Barrow-Downs, since then they&#39;ll need to include Tom Bombadil, and there&#39;s another 40 minutes of movie right there. There&#39;s nothing saying that Strider didn&#39;t get the swords from Rivendell, and that they were magical swords from there...so basically, they are re-writing....and they probably won&#39;t explain it so in depth, but will make it visible to people who know what they are looking for.

  • April 1, 2002, 10:56 a.m. CST

    no worries about a pee break

    by Stub

    Four hours of Tolkien, life keeps getting better. Here is a solution to the pee break in the middle of a movie. I took a trip to go run the Grand Canyon with three other people. One of which was an anesthesiologist. He got to talking about how they invented a device for taking a piss while seated at a stadium. Actually I think they invented it for patients in hospitals and then someone got tired of missing part of football games or whatever. Apparently you just get this surgical glue and glue a hose onto your schlong. The hose then connects with a bag tapped down on your ankle/calf. I think he even mentioned one for women. Bloody great invention if you ask me. Now you can watch a six hour movie in a theatre and drink whatever you want and never get up. Gives new meaning to Butt-Numbathon.

  • April 1, 2002, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Pee Break solution

    by Stub

    Four hours of Tolkien, life keeps getting better. Here is a solution to the pee break in the middle of a movie. I took a trip to go run the Grand Canyon with three other people. One of which was an anesthesiologist. He got to talking about how they invented a device for taking a piss while seated at a stadium (long drive to the GC). Actually I think they invented it for patients in hospitals and then someone got tired of missing part of football games or whatever. Apparently you just get this surgical glue and glue a hose onto your schlong. The hose then connects with a bag tapped down on your ankle/calf. I think he even mentioned one for women. Bloody great invention if you ask me. Now you can watch a six-hour movie in a theatre and drink whatever you want and never get up and you don

  • April 1, 2002, 2:18 p.m. CST

    TTT Preview Online. Try Here:

    by JacksonsBane

    http://server4.bluedomino.net/www/bdweb8491j/factus8.com/public_html/media/ttt_trailer.asf

  • April 1, 2002, 2:39 p.m. CST

    I&#39;ll rent the LOTR DVD for the cool extras...

    by CoolDan989

    ...but that&#39;s all LOTR will get out of me. If it didn&#39;t have extras, I would not rent it at all. I saw the movie and I thought it stunk.

  • April 1, 2002, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Oh my

    by SpecOpsY2K

    That one minute posted up just now isn&#39;t enough... I need more!!! :P

  • April 1, 2002, 7:30 p.m. CST

    TTT on kazaa

    by Juice_Monkey

    The TTT preview is on kazaa. Search "TTT preview".

  • April 1, 2002, 8:48 p.m. CST

    DVD Casing

    by rlii

    I can&#39;t wait untill this fabulous film is out on DVD, however, I am a little curious as to the packaging of the August release. NewLine and Warner Bros. are two of the last studios still using the cheap, unsightly, single-sheet-of-cardboard DVD covers. I think this movie deserves better. Anybody have any news on this?

  • April 2, 2002, 12:58 a.m. CST

    LOTR is crap and Newline are wannbes

    by Shaggins

    As if you didn&#39;t know this already. And when is Harry going to stop plugging this crap? No one (outside of this website) actually cares about LOTR. It will be forgotten as soon as the last one comes out, which isn&#39;t soon enough. Just hurry and misapproriate Lucas&#39; money already you hobbits.

  • April 2, 2002, 4:13 a.m. CST

    okay, i know Jackson is busy working on Two Towers, but the bast

    by a goonie

    not that i REALLY care. i&#39;m still sticking to my three-star review of the movie. and that&#39;s a low three stars out of five. but still. it pisses me off when there&#39;s a movie this big and the director can&#39;t do a commentary.

  • April 2, 2002, 4:33 a.m. CST

    TEST

    by Buck Teeth Soh

  • April 2, 2002, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Wonderful

    by moviet00l

    The gifts of Galadriel was the most glaring omission from the movie - It really hurt the first viewing for me because I felt there was no way PJ was going to be able to convince the audience in the next two movies that indeed Galadriel had "ensnared" Gimli. Or even worse, perhaps the ensnarement was lifted out altogether. Gimli asking for Galadriel&#39;s hair is one of my single most favorite parts of Fellowship. And removing it eliminates one of my favorite aspects of Two Towers - Gimli and Eomer&#39;s "words" over the Lady of the Golden Wood. I&#39;m glad to see them go in the extended edition - but I still feel that scene could have been included. What would another ten minutes of screen time hurt, anyway? Ah, well. PJ had his reasons, I&#39;m sure.

  • April 2, 2002, 10:46 a.m. CST

    doc_loggins

    by semuta

    PJ is doing (or has already finished) a commentary for the movie. I believe is going to be included on the 4-disc special edition.

  • April 2, 2002, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Details on the Fellowship of the Ring DVD releases

    by IAmLegolas

    http://actionadventure.about.com/library/weekly/2002/aa040102.htm

  • April 2, 2002, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Actual quote from elfkiller!

    by cooldude

    "Gee mom, I&#39;m 50 and I haven&#39;t gotten any loving yet. I thought chicks loved guys with dicks 1" long and 1/2" thick when they&#39;re aroused. Where&#39;s that rubber girl? My right hand is tired." You know too much about living with mommy and playing D&D; you must speak from experience!

  • April 2, 2002, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Possessive S

    by TomVee

    Dannychico is correct about the possessive use of an extra s when using a name that ends with an s. I am a newspaper and magazine editor with almost 30 years of experience, so I guess I should know. Only thing is, for the most part the use of the extra s has all but disappeared. The English language keeps evolving, Dannychico. Dannyboy.

  • April 2, 2002, 10:29 p.m. CST

    An Excerpt of deleted scene of LOTR SE featuring Tom Bombadil !!

    by JAGUART

    They, the Hobbits, Frodo, Merry, Sam and Pippin stepped out of the Old Forest and found a wide sweep of grass welling up before them. The river, now small and swift, was leaping merrily down to meet them, glinting here and there in the light of the stars, which were already shinning the sky. The grass under their feet was smooth and short, as if it has been mown or shaven. The eaves of the Forest behind were clipped, and trim as a hedge. The path was now plain before them, well tended and bordered with stone. It wound up on top of a grassy knoll, now grey under the pale starry night; and there, still high above them on a further slope they saw the twinkling lights of a house. Down again the path went, and then up again, up a long smooth hillside of turf, towards the light. Suddenly a wide yellow beam flowed out brightly from a door that was open. There was Tom Bombadill&#39;s house before them, up, down, under hill. The hobbits stood and gazed when suddenly Frodo cried "The House of Tom Bombadil!" Merry and Pippin chimed in "Tom Bombadil&#39;s!" and Sam added wryly "Its only a model".....There was a moment of silence when Frodo announced "On second thought, let&#39;s not go to Tom Bombadil&#39;s. Tis&#39; a silly place."

  • April 3, 2002, 1:46 a.m. CST

    holy shit!!!

    by Mithril

    That was my reaction last saturday when TTT stuff came on the screen. Travelled 4 hours to see that! Woohoo! 6th time seeing the movie (oh, and MorGoth, still fucking missed Gil-Galad... I was looking for the head dress this time, just saw a bunch of men in helmets, ordinary elves and Elrond... damn! Have to go frame-by-frame with the DVD then. Here&#39;s hoping for additional Gil-Galad in the November edition!!!). AOTC trailer, Time Machine trailer (so the movie&#39;s not great, but I dig the trailer and the cracking moon), Panic Room trailer and then FOTR! Still can&#39;t get over the TTT footage. The confrontation and flash involving Gandalf... Eowyn & Eomer looking exactly right...Gollum...f-ing Fangorn!...Brad Dourif being perfect as Grima...Theoden reciting his lines...that bit with Aragorn and Legolas in the dark as the lightning flashes...Helm&#39;s Deep! I&#39;ve been sending incoherent messages on my mobile to my friends and relatives... ***Oh, and I will get both editions. Hey, I want the theatrical version too! I&#39;m grateful they put different special features on the two versions, then it feels less like I&#39;m wasting my money. My account is already gonna be trembling these next two months: ST-TNG, Buffy, Angel, The Wicker Man, The Usual Suspects, Book of the Dead, West Wing on DVD...

  • April 3, 2002, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Jaguart...

    by Mithril

    ROTFLMAO!!! Christ almighty that was funny. Actually, the hobbits would probably say that. And let&#39;s not forget the scene where Gandalf, on his way to Rivendell, ends up at Castle Anthrax (lead there by the torch shaped like Sauron&#39;s flaming eye) where Zoot, Zoot&#39;s identical twin sister Dingo, Midget, Crapper and all the rest of them try to get it on with him until Aragorn and Elrond show up, Elrond telling Gandalf that he mustn&#39;t face the peril, because it&#39;s too perilous. Ending with the disappointed Gandalf looking at Elrond and huffing "I bet you&#39;re gay." as the trio disappear into the distance. ***By the way, did anyone read Ian McKellen&#39;s interview in the Observer, where he talked about the joking discussion he&#39;d had with PJ about Gandalf having a love interest in the movie. PJ suggested Galadriel (PJ, she&#39;s a married woman, for chrissakes!), but McKellen went "No, I was thinking of someone like Legolas." LOL! Seems like us women ain&#39;t the only ones who have swooned under Orlando Bloom&#39;s charms... Something tells me the slash fiction people&#39;s only complaint about that one would be that it would interfere with the burgeoning romance between Legolas and Gimli.

  • April 3, 2002, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Shon

    by Buck Teeth Soh

    Shon, you are elfkiller. We ain&#39;t fooled.

  • April 3, 2002, 5:07 a.m. CST

    And CoolDan,

    by Buck Teeth Soh

    if you hated the movie, why rent it for the extras? That&#39;s one of the dumber things I ever heard of. Save your time and money for something you actually like.

  • April 3, 2002, 10:17 a.m. CST

    too much stuff

    by goz

    nearly 2 years of shootin&#39; and they can only give us 30 minutes and some footage already seen !! come on ! I&#39;m sure they can releaz a Giga super duper DVd with 10 Cd and a special version of 5 hours long !!!

  • April 3, 2002, 10:37 a.m. CST

    uh

    by semuta

    what&#39;s the point of having these talkbacks if they never stay in order? get some real programming up in this piece.

  • Nobody cares for LOTR outside of this website? Uh-huh. I think millions of people worldwide would disagree. And btw, SW and LOTR CAN coexist peacefully. Shithead.

  • April 3, 2002, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Why do the anti-LOTR people come here?

    by LordDark

    You people make no sense. If you didn&#39;t like the movie then don&#39;t come to LOTR related topics. Oh I get it. You&#39;re unfamiliar with how your mouse works and you&#39;re clicking in here accidently. Morons.

  • April 4, 2002, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Moriarty, TELL QUENTIN.....

    by tensticks

    Tell Quentin that he&#39;s the ONLY one who should do the UNDERDOG MOVIE! And use the Butthole Surfers version of the theme song if he does.... azrockyforever@yahoo.com

  • April 5, 2002, 12:22 a.m. CST

    by drompter

  • April 5, 2002, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson working on The Two Towers

    by monkhino

    I thought that all of the Lord of The Rings movies were already complete?

  • April 5, 2002, 8:29 p.m. CST

    TT "preview"

    by Frodo's Girl

    Does anyone have a link to the TT preview that doesnt flicker badly, and isnt to dark...I want to see Gollum a little bit better. I know I&#39;m being picky - its worth a shot! Thanks!

  • So the movie is going to be what - 36 hours long now? Are they going to take any time this go-round for little things like plot, character development and back story? If not, I think I&#39;ll wait for the Criterion version of Good Burger instead.

  • April 6, 2002, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Pink Flamingos

    by motormouth

    One of my own most memorable nights at the theater revolved around this movie, too. It&#39;s immortalized for all time at http://www.motormouth.com/night.html (I&#39;d post it here but it&#39;s long and you might not really care, not that it matters to me).

  • April 11, 2002, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ! Get to the fucking point already!

    by magusreno

    blah blah blah blah, oooh you met THAT GUY? Really????? Really? Ooooh, the studios treat you soooo well to buy your opinion. Maybe it&#39;s time to have a section that denotes where to actually start paying attention. I could care less about these aimless rants over the bribe-junkets that the studios offer you.

  • May 23, 2002, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Oh My God! what am I gonna do with all those DVDs?

    by JustAnotherFan

    Watch them! of course! once and again and again and again &#39;til the very moment my DVD player blows up! I can&#39;t believe this is such a GOOD year to watch movies! C&#39;mon Hollywood, more years like this for us! Keep the quality.