March 27, 2002, 4:58 p.m. CST
This might determine if Affleck is suited for DD. If he hits it out of the park, it wouldn't hurt. I'm pretty much gonna see this for the supporting cast alone
March 27, 2002, 5:01 p.m. CST
I can barely remember the book, but i just dont think i can believe Affleck as Jack Ryan.
March 27, 2002, 5:02 p.m. CST
by Lenny Nero
I'll come back with thoughts after I see the preview.
March 27, 2002, 5:13 p.m. CST
ok...Baldwin, great choice for red october, then we jump backwards in time to patriot games, chronologically the first story with Jack ryan, pre red october, but we have an older actor playing him with ford there, problem. then CAPD, which ford is better for age wise, but is still really much too old for the role, now we have SOAF, which has been sanatized by making the terrorists non-muslim....jesus christ folks, the book was out there before 9/11, hell the movie was in the works before 9/11, youd think they could just call it like it is and stick with some middle eastern bad guys...but Noooooooo....and to top it off, you take the story in which Ryan should be oldest, and put a new fresh 30something face in the role....shit people....this is Jack Ryan not James Bond, he's not forever young......and by the way, whoever cast affleck as ryan does need to be taken out and shot repeatedly, prefferably then buried face down in a dung heap. This guy is handsome yes, but man he is hit/miss piss poor actor.
March 27, 2002, 5:13 p.m. CST
Good supporting cast. Good director. This may not be that bad. I am still a little skeptical, but I will give it a shot.
March 27, 2002, 5:21 p.m. CST
Ok, I will admit I am a huge Harrison Ford fan, and when I first red The Hunt For Red October, I immmediately envisoned him as Jack Ryan. I think I always will. When I buy and Read "Red Rabbit" this summer, I will envision Harrison Ford as Ryan. That being said, I think Affleck can do the job and deserves a chance. Obviously, The Sum of All Fears movie will be totally different from the book, it probably should even have a different title. But when Ford, at age 60 (almost?), backed out, a good idea was to go with a younger actor and "reinvent" Jack Ryan, so to speak. Now, if this introduction finds Ryan as a young CIA dude, with some self doubt maybe, and a young guy not really taken seriously at first by the Prez and upper brass, then I think Affleck is a good choice. Let's see what he can do. I think the trailer looked pretty good. I am not against Affleck being a young Jack Ryan. As for Daredevil, well, that's a different story....
March 27, 2002, 5:22 p.m. CST
hunt for red oct + moonraker + collateral damage + crap
March 27, 2002, 5:33 p.m. CST
In the book, by this point Ryan is the head of the CIA if I remember correctly (or at the very least a senior CIA agent, its been a good 8 years since I read the book). He is mainly involved in helping the President make decisions in the book. If I remember correctly, he doesn't even do any of the investigating himself, but mainly had Clark and other agents doing the work. Now, in the movie, Ryan is going to be a field agent and it is supposed to take place before any of the other movies (no wife, no kids, etc...).just doesn't seem to make much sense. At least the audience won't have to worry about him dying or anything.
March 27, 2002, 5:52 p.m. CST
in the book the baddies are arabs... I guess they just HAD to change that one.
March 27, 2002, 6:21 p.m. CST
Can anyone tell me the location of the MOV file. I can't view the embedded quicktime.
March 27, 2002, 6:22 p.m. CST
Really, it's the same old shtick as all the other Clancy movies, right down to the obligatory "But I'm only an analyst" scene. What a joke.
March 27, 2002, 6:23 p.m. CST
I like the movie's logo...
March 27, 2002, 6:31 p.m. CST
by Will Collier
March 27, 2002, 6:50 p.m. CST
Geez,Harry.I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that there will be more terrorist attacks. Terrorist attacks are like car accidents...just because they can happen doesn't mean they always will.
March 27, 2002, 6:51 p.m. CST
So now Jack Ryan is an annoying Gen_X punk? Does this film take place in present day? If so what happens to Ryan's daughter? She becomes a baby? And Jack Ryan Jr no longer exists? Does James Earl Jone's character come back to life, now played by Michael Dorn? DO they actually think Afflek can follow Baldwin and Ford? OH and BTW Patriot Games THE MOVIE took place several years after Red October. Can't remember when the book took place but both Ford movies where "present day". I won't even waste my time with this shit and if Clancy makes Ryan younger in the books I won't read them anymore. Jack Ryan always was closer to real world CIA stuff then the cartoonish James Bond franchise and yet that's what he and the studio is turning it into with Ryan aging backwards. Now had they cast Russel Crowe or Denzel Washington then they MIGHT have something but Afflek? How long is this guy gonna get a free ride in Hollywood just because he's best pals with Matt Damon and Kevin Smith? I mean the guy is dead weight at the box office. At least we can thank Clancy for forming Red Storm. A kick-ass game company... The Rainbow Six series is the DEAL.
March 27, 2002, 7:11 p.m. CST
by Will Collier
... in the promotion of the last two movies made from his books, because the producers (and Ford) went out of their way to inject their own politics (diametrically opposed to the author's) into the stories. This P.C. bowdlerization is just another example (oh, right, Neo-Nazis. Yep. The post-war world has just been all torn up with major Neo-Nazi terrorism. Tell us another one, you Hollywood idiots). Clancy doesn't have any control over the content of the Jack Ryan movies--which, to be fair, is Clancy's own fault for signing away his rights. But just because the guy knows how to sell stuff doesn't mean it's "okay" for hyper-PC movie people to rewrite good books into bad movies.
March 27, 2002, 7:45 p.m. CST
on that basis alone I'll go see it. And you know, Affleck was very good in "Chasing Amy". Anyway, Kelly/Clark happens to be my favorite character and I want to see if Liev Schrieber pulls it off. He's not who I would invision for the part of John Kelly. Make "Without Remorse" dammit!!
March 27, 2002, 7:49 p.m. CST
I say, make them Middle Eastern like they should be. I hate those towel headed mother f'ers anyway... Why can't hollywood give us what we want - the ass kicking of some towel heads! No one gives a rats ass about Neo-Nazis!
March 27, 2002, 8:15 p.m. CST
... I saw this trailer on the apple site, and on other movie news cites, two weeks ago. Guess I should have sent in a "hot tip" or something.
March 27, 2002, 8:33 p.m. CST
by Pops Freshemeyer
...he won't be any more wooden than Harrison Ford was. Bring back Alec Baldwin, you rat bastards...The only reason to see this movie would be if they gave a nod to Point Break and Ben could say, very slowly, "I...am..a...CIA...agent!"
March 27, 2002, 8:33 p.m. CST
Has anyone ever claimed that movies were reality? Is there some Tom Clancy universe that's horribly skewed because Jack Ryan is young? I'll approve or disapprove of Mr. Affleck with my $$$$$.
March 27, 2002, 8:43 p.m. CST
Hard to believe we can judge a film just on internet rumors (so many of which are wrong) and a two minute trailer. One poster writes that "this was being shot on 9/11, and release date put back" ... actually it wrapped shooting months earlier, and the release date was always summer of 2002. Another writes that Neo-Nazi terrorism isn't much of an issue. Really? What was Oklahoma City? And finally, all this talk about the chronology of the other movies just strikes me funny. I don't care even a little what age he was in the other movies or whether he was married then and not now. It's a new actor, it's a new movie. He's a young guy, obviously new to the job, not married, and this is the beginning of a new franchise. You're right, he's not as old as Harrison Ford. Get over it. As another poster wrote, in the book, Ryan was an older bureaucrat who mostly made phone calls. There's an exciting action character for you. At least this Ryan can get into some action. So let's see how he does. If it works, it'll work on its own. If it fails, it'll fail on its own. But let's judge it on its own, and how it stands up as a movie by itself.
March 27, 2002, 8:56 p.m. CST
From what I can see, they didn't keep much to the book. First of all, Jack Ryan wasn't anywhere near the bomb when it went off. He was in Washington. Secondly, they didn't know crap about a bomb being anywhere in the U.S. until it went off. Thirdly, Russia didn't have anything to do with the bomb. It was all Germans and Arabs. Guess staying true to the material isn't exactly politically correct these days. I'll probably be sitting at the theater making a long list of differences. At least they could have tried. Also, not sure I'm gonna care for Affleck as Jack Ryan. Too young.
March 27, 2002, 8:59 p.m. CST
Why be "sitting at the theater making a long list of differences"? Why not just sit back and watch the movie? Seems to me that's the fair way to watch a movie.
March 27, 2002, 9:01 p.m. CST
Steve McQueen, Charleton Heston, Newman/Redford. Eastwood. Cary Grant, Burt Lancaster, Kirk Douglas, Clark Gable. Brando. Caan. I could go on for some time, and never mention Ben Affleck. Why do they INSIST on shoving this guy down our throats? They keep grooming him for what? He was fine in indie films playing a naive, idealistic comic book illustrator, but give me a goddam break already. Just because he went to the right high school, drinks milk and uses moisturizer and is over six feet tall doesn't make him a leading man. If you don't believe me, how many times have you referred to a film as "that new Ben Affleck movie"?
March 27, 2002, 9:03 p.m. CST
What was there, really? How do you politicize life and death situations? The movies were good at shaving out all the bull hockey. And so was he, once upon a time.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------But then he came back with Rainbow Six. I couldn't believe what I was reading. It was boring. And having every one of the enviro-nazis thinking EXACTLY the same thoughts, having the exact same goals was insulting to the intelligence on any number of levels. He repeated himself for the first time, using the threat from the last book as one for Rainbow Six. In Executive Orders, it was a gripping problem. In this book it was constantly backgrounded by the terrorist operations. Then, when we get to the end, we don't get some blow-out battle, we get this anti-climactic mow-down. I didn't get to far into the Bear and the Dragon before I got a taste of this new Jack Ryan, who seemed to now talk as if he was a talk radio ditto-head. It was more than I could stand. The Jack Ryan I remembered was all business, a competent analyst, a morally upright man. I liked the sort of parallel world approach that was shaping up, where Ryan, by happenstance becomes president. The first two novels got good mileage out of the stress of the whole thing. Then Rainbow Six. Clancy must realize that politics are no substitute for practical storytelling, and characters who get what they want and are always right are not the ones worth telling stories about. And, villains that are all talk are no more interesting than heroes who are like that either.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As for the movie, well, it looks to be pretty straightforward in it's adaptation, aside from a few changes made necessary by it showing up ten years after the Soviet Collapse, which was part of the plot of the first one. And the NeoNazi terrorists- well, they aren't as cliche-ridden as the islamic terrorists in movies. Plus it adds a sort of Robert Ludlum conspiratorial flavor to it. Why not? As for the de-aging of Ryan, well, he's not supposed to be a senior citizen but a man near in his thirties, at least in the context of the movie.
March 27, 2002, 10:07 p.m. CST
by Cash Bailey
Here's the link: http://dvd.ign.com/articles/356/356226p1.html Drool, fanboys, droooool!
March 27, 2002, 11:06 p.m. CST
WTF was that ? First off the first time I heard Benny was to play Jack I about wrecked my car when I heard it on the radio. Then if this is true another talkbacker says that Liev is playing Mr. C ! Dear Lord ! please be joking about that PLEASE Mr. C is the coolest bad ass around and this is who you pick to play him!!!! OK I need a drink. Whay not just say The SUM of All Fears ....based on only the name of a novel.
March 27, 2002, 11:21 p.m. CST
March 27, 2002, 11:38 p.m. CST
A Thinking Man's Ron Howard. A Fat, horny white chick's Jimmy Stewart. A poor man's Leslie Howard. A retarded Hollywood's George Lazenby.
March 27, 2002, 11:42 p.m. CST
because a true movie star shouldn't be wasting his time playing a non-character like Jack "generic" Ryan. Ben Affleck is ideal for this role - I mostly slept through the last couple of Clancy films so now I KNOW I'm not missing anything :)
March 27, 2002, 11:58 p.m. CST
Christ almighty, you people, just get over it. What did Ben Affleck do to you people that you gotta be slammin' him like this. What's done is done. You guys are NOT the voice of reason, it's just your opinions. Give the movie a chance. If you don't want to, just leave it alone and get back to slobbering over 'Star Wars' then. We all know Hollywood doesn't exactly follow the books, how does that still surprise us? Harrison Ford was fine in the character but he didn't want to do it anymore, let's just live with it and move on. The brass in Hollywood wanted to re-invent the character so we can have Jack Ryan for a long, long time, there's nothing wrong with that. You all didn't expect the movie to follow the book page for page, did you? It's done, accept it or not. Bitching about it will not change it. If you don't wanna see, DON'T! It pisses me off that only the negative people who enjoy dissin' movies cos they're not in them or write them, voice opinions believing what they say is the law of the land, and those of us looking forward to this, don't say anything. Just relax, for pete sakes, it's just a movie. How stupid do you all feel now I wonder?
March 28, 2002, 12:01 a.m. CST
Well, from the trailer, appears that TSOAF only barely resembles the plot in the book. (Spoilers below.) Specifically: - In the book, the rogue scientists were of (East) German and Arabic origin. No Russians, South Africans, etc. - The trailer appears to show that Ryan is aware of the transit of the bomb to American shores. In the book, Ryan (nor anyone in America) had no clue of the existence of the device until it detonated at the Superbowl in Denver. - Looks like they've portrayed this "Ryan" as a green CIA newbie. Just as James Bond could stay young forever on film, I guess this might be their approach to Ryan, too. But sequentially, (sp), this story takes place long after "Red October," "Patriot Games," and "Clear and Present Danger." I hope this movie doesn't pretend that those stories never existed, but you (never) know Hollywood. Jay in Austin
March 28, 2002, 12:04 a.m. CST
by The Daredevil
Jack Ryan is thirty-something, and Affleck is 29 going on 30, right? Ford is like, 59 going on 60, so I think he's way too old. With Affleck, rest of the Clancy's books can be made in a few years. Ford on the other hand is too old to play even Indiana Jones.
March 28, 2002, 12:12 a.m. CST
One poster writes: "I hope this movie doesn't pretend that those stories never existed." Why not? The last two pretended that Alex Baldwin didn't exist. And since the novel of TSOAF had Ryan as the Deputy Director of the CIA, and the next book has him as President, I'm thrilled they're going back to portraying Ryan as a young, anonymous guy with a desk job. A much more interesting character to see thrown into high-stakes stuff. There's absolutely no way they could keep the continuity of the books unless they cast the role with some actor who's a little too old to be running around doing action stuff. Me, I'd much rather see a good movie than one that so slavishly follows the books that the movie suffers.
March 28, 2002, 12:24 a.m. CST
I hope the movie isn't a piece of shit like the studios and producers who acted like PC bitches and changed the badguys because we all know Muslims NEVER commit massive terrorist attacks... that would be stereotying them... YEAH RIGHT. *shakes head in disgust*
March 28, 2002, 12:34 a.m. CST
by 20th Century Fox
OK I've read the shooting script of this crapfest.........................................................1. This movie has NOTHING (Zilch,Zip,Zero) with the previous three films.It takes place in the present day. In SOAF The Movie the first three films never happened. The Viacommunists at Paramount decided to reinvent the franchise by putting Affleck in the role........................................................................2. This film has very little to do with the book. The Only real simalrity withy the book is that a bomb goes off at the superbowl. But they even changed that (to the films detriment i may add...)...................................................................3. In the worst PC move ever made they changed the Terrorists to Neo-Nazi's from Arabs. Why? Simple Phil Adlen Robinson felt the thought that Tom Clancy use of Arabs as Terrorsists were top sterotypical.Oh yeah PC is the way to be Phil, Last I checked iut was not Neo-Nazi's crashing planes into buildings or blowing up civilians in resteraunts in Isreal!!!!!........................................................................4. I saw this trailer here in LA. The Audience response was stunned silence then confusion...(Many felt the film took place in the 1980's which it does not it takes place in the present day...___________________________________________To be blunt if you have stock in Viacom I would sell it soon...THIS MOVIE SUCKS DONKEY!!!!!!!!!!
March 28, 2002, 1:25 a.m. CST
This isn't very hard people. It was a great book, interesting characters, credible bad guys, all in all... it would have made a great movie. Now it's been completely changed. It's lost it's politcal context, an Israeli/Palestinian situation that would have been AMAZINGLY relevant - nevermind the relevance of having Arab terrorist bad guys. Instead, we get neoNazi South Africans? WTF? No, the Oklahoma City bombing was by militia nuts, NOT neo-Nazis, there is a difference. One being, THERE ARE NO NEO NAZI SOUTH AFRICANS RUNNING AROUND WITH NUKES, the other being, don't you think they'd bomb Israel as opposed to the Super Bowl? Affleck's pretty much a horrible actor but I could have almost lived with them tampering with the whole Ryan thing had they just left the story, which was actually *good.*
March 28, 2002, 1:40 a.m. CST
I m sorry, but this just looks like crap, nothing new . With a big american flag in the wind c'mon enough already
March 28, 2002, 1:43 a.m. CST
I dont think I need to explain why.
March 28, 2002, 1:45 a.m. CST
I m sorry, but this thing just looks like crap. nothing new, USA Vs Russia ( that s totally new haven t seen this before..noooo)C mon , enough already with the american flag in the wind
March 28, 2002, 3:57 a.m. CST
by Bored Man
I dont think I can stress the phrase "give me a beak" enough. I'll sure try though. GIVE ME A MOTHER FUCKING BREAK GOD DAMNIT. I am so sick of people making a big deal about reality. Muslims are terrorists. Sure they aer not the only terrorists, but they are the psycho kind that believe dying for islam in the war with infidels makes you favored in heaven. Who does bus/restauraunt/car bombings in israel? Its not the IRA, or neo-nazis, ITS FUCKING MUSLIMS GOD DAMNIT. Who flew two plains into the trade towers? Muslims. Who harbors terrists in their countrys? Crazy fucking muslims. This kind of backwards PC bullshit is used for other things too. Like gays getting aids, black people as criminals, and asians driving like shit. Lets face it folks homos get aids because butt sex makes you bleed, blacks are stereotypically criminal because Black people commit alot of crimes, asians are known for driving like shit, BECAUSE THEY DRIVE LIKE SHIT. So why white wash reality? The only reason they changed the premise of the movie is so that towel-head terrorist loving muslim bastards will go out and watch the movie. They have money too, and movie makers want it just as much as your money.
March 28, 2002, 4:52 a.m. CST
Thank god so many of my fellow talkbackers are seeing through this PC crap. I refuse to see this bastardized version of the Jack Ryan world, where there is no such thing as a Muslim terrorist. Oohhh, the evil NeoNazis are out to get America! What-the fuck-ever. As for you Orwellian-brained apologist proles who are eager to see this propaganda: get some fricking independent analytical skills and stop letting Hollywood tell you how to think.
March 28, 2002, 5:05 a.m. CST
How the hell can Jack Ryan go from: 20 year old Ben Affleck(I know he's 30) to 30-something year old Alec Baldwin to 40 year old Harrison Ford!? Ryan has some odd mutation desease doesn't he?
March 28, 2002, 7:25 a.m. CST
If people like you represent the mainstream of American political thought, it's no goddamn wonder the muslim world hates you. While I'm inclined to agree that there is no need to change the plot of SOAF for the sake of PC, maybe it was a good idea. Showing more Arab terrorist attacks, even in a fictional context, would give ignorant racist motherfuckers like you more ammunition. Here it is: there are political extremists in EVERY group. This is not said to condone the acts of the terrorists who committed the atrocities of 9/11, but let's be fair and realise that there are a lot of moderate muslims in the Arab world who were just as appalled by the attacks as anyone else. I don't suppose you've heard of Hamad Kharzai, the new president of Afghanistan? No, because arseholes like you don't bother finding out the facts. By the way, straight people get AIDS too. I've got my fingers crossed for ya, pal.
March 28, 2002, 7:43 a.m. CST
You guys in the states can really talk about harbouring terrorists. You trained them in the first place, for God's sake. And don't give me this "Oh, they were alright then, but they turned on us" crap. They were always psychos, fucking loonies, muslim or not, but when it was those damn godless commies they wanted to slaughter, that was fine by you, wasn't it? With over one million Iraqi children dead thanks to economic sanctions while Saddam kicks back in his palace, and the recent earthquake in Afghanistan that seems to have been caused by the US's comprehensive bombing of cave complexes, I think certain people in the middle east have a right to be disillusioned. It's just unfortunate that nut-bars like Bin Laden take it upon themselves to kill more innocent civillians, and claim to be speaking for the entire Arab world. While one cannot condone Palestinian violence against Israeli civillians, Sharon and his cronies are hardly being slouches in that respect, nor, for that matter, is your great and glorious leader. Once again, Bored Man and others, a hearty fuck you to all of you, and all who beieve that hate answered with hate answered with hate will get us anywhere. And just so this isn't completely off topic, fuck Ben Affleck too.
March 28, 2002, 8:14 a.m. CST
by Sith Lord Jesus
Harry, I would like a Slashdot-style interface on this site NOW, please, so I don't have to be assulted by Nazi garbage of the type that Bored Man and his asshole friend citydoglax post. According to the disclaimer on your own site, "Blatant abuse, personal attacks, OFF-TOPIC BS, cross-posting, blatant advertising, and hate speech are all fodder for deletion" and yet I have to put up with this type of crap when all I do is come here to read about movies. "Muslims are terrorist?" "Black people commit alot of crimes?!" Uh, no, KKK shitpie, SOME Muslims commit terrorist acts--most live in peace with their neighbors. *Some* lower-income Black people commit crimes--most of us DON'T, asshole. But it's attitudes like yours that get me stopped and harassed by the police just because of my goddamn skin. So fuck you, Bored Man, and all your skinhead type. I am a human being, not a stereotype. Piss on you.
March 28, 2002, 9:42 a.m. CST
I didn't know Colm Feore was in it. He's one of my all-time favourite actors. He's so good at being creepy. One thing that bugs me. I'm getting really tired of the whole "I'm just an analyst" line. Ok, he's just a young guy starting out in this one, but by the time Clear and Present Danger takes place, he's seen a lot of action. You'd think he'd quit it with the whole "I'm just an analyst" bit by then.
March 28, 2002, 10:16 a.m. CST
Sometimes, people say things that are amazing in their desire to ignore reality. Labanhaki says "And the NeoNazi terrorists- well, they aren't as cliche-ridden as the islamic terrorists in movies." Cliche? Movies based in modern day tend to capture people when they are both entertaining and somewhat plausible. Just out of curiousity, how many Neo-Nazi terrorists have not only stated their goal to destroy the U.S., but have actually acted upon it. McVeigh could be considered Neo-Nazi I guess, but he could also be considered a religous Christian nutjob (true NeoNazis are not religious, as Hitler hated the church). But most Neo-Nazis put out hate male and have rallies that are a joke. But, we just had 19 Islamic Terrorist fly planes into buildings in New York & Washington (and into the ground in PA). We have had 3 embassies bombed by Islamic terrorists over the past decade. We had the WTC attacked in 93, by Islamic terrorist. The USS Cole, Marine Barricks in Beirut, any number of kidnappings and hijacking in the 80s, not to mention the tragedy of Daniel Pearl, wer commited by...you guessed it...Islamic Terrorists. If they are a cliche, maybe it's because Islamic terrorists are a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER (pardon the pun, allusion, whatever I just did). The book had Islamic terrorists. The reason they got a Nuke was because it was left over from the 67 war in the Middle east. In other words, it was plausible. I'm sorry if it offends people of a certain faith, but then maybe they should be yelling at the terrorist for making them look bad instead of trying to make Hollywood feel guilty by portraying people that are very real. If real equals cliche, then too bad.
March 28, 2002, 10:30 a.m. CST
I know I should stay on topic (i.e. the bastardization of a very good Clancy novel) but I just am shocked at our will to ignore reality. In fact, if Neo-Nazis (i.e. people who hate Jews and promote a fascist state) need to represented, then I could think of no better representative Islamic Terrorists. When you remove the Islamic fundamentalism from their ideology, you basically have the Hitler play book. Look at pictures from Hezbollah rallies, they are doing the "Heil Hitler" sign (yes I know I probably butchered the spelling there). Hamas dresses up in white sheets. The only thing missing is the point on the head to make them look like Klansman. Oh, and not to put to fine a point on this, one of the best selling novels in the West Bank and throughout the Middle East is Mein Kumph (sp?). And the Islamic terrorists hate Jews to the point that you can bet your house on the fact if the U.S. totally ignored the Middle East, there would be another holocausts, only this time the agreessors would probably lose more people (since Israel has nukes). So, this weird desire not to offend people who have attacked us and whose stated intention is to kill Jews and Americans, just strikes me as very surreal. It's almost like Orwell is writing our everyday lives.
March 28, 2002, 11:30 a.m. CST
I have heard that Clancy has given his full support to this movie (which includes all the changes, I presume) and to Ben Affleck as Jack Ryan. Now, and this is just my personal opinion, I take this to mean that Clancy may realize this is a last-gasp chance to keep the "Ryan" movie franchise alive, and he wants that franchise to continue. If this movie "bombs" (pardon the pun), the Ryan movies will cease. In my opinion, if going with Affleck, maybe it would have been better to make "The Cardinal of the Kremlin", and tag it with a "once upon a time, in 1985..." kinda thing. That would answer a lot about the young Ryan premise, even tho Jack was married in Cardinal. Anyways, maybe they shoulda tried to go with a George Clooney type, a guy in his 40s and just keep on the timeline
March 28, 2002, 11:37 a.m. CST
I refuse to patronize this PC'ed POS. I don't care if the PC Nazis here think I am a racist, Muslim terrorists from Arab countries are the ones who've launched one attack after another on American targets. I have yet to see a single neo-Nazi terrorist attack on our country or our citizens overseas. The stupid morons who took a VERY relevant plot and turned it into a bizaare fantasy about South African Nazis getting the bomb will not see one red cent of my money.
March 28, 2002, 12:37 p.m. CST
March 28, 2002, 2:22 p.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
It was good enough for Rainier Wolfcastle in the classic MCBAIN series on THE SIMPSONS. It's reality now. Actually, real movies are stupider than anything I've seen McBain do.
March 28, 2002, 2:56 p.m. CST
All you people are doing is bitching about something none of you can change. You will all go see this movie just so you have something to bitch about. Ben Afleck ,or what ever his damn name is,is not that bad. Every movie I have seen of his so far hasnt been so bad...with the exception of Armageddon and Pearl Harbor. I havent seen every one of his movies because some of them just dont appeal to me. Now...Harrison Ford is ok....But lets face it....He really hasnt been in THAT many interesting movies. The only movies hes been in that i enjoy are Star Wars and Indiana Jones...Other then that most of his stuff has been boring crap. And I said MOST....I am sure there are some other good movies hes been in. And while I am here, I might as well give my opinion about DareDevil and afleck playing him. It doesnt bother me...seeing as I could careless about Daredevil as he has always been boring to me...But I think its kinda pointless to bitch about him playing DD...cause all your doing is wasting your breath. I would think after seeing Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back you would realize how pointless and ridiculous bitching and moaning can be. Anyways....have a good day ..byebye
March 28, 2002, 5:26 p.m. CST
I want you eradicated - or at least sent back to your dogshit country! Viva la America... You know why Hollywood won't cast Towel Heads as the bad guys - no one to play them... Hey cretinous swine - I'm black!!!
March 28, 2002, 6:03 p.m. CST
by Rafe McCawley
I think you're one of the biggest scums of this planet. May you burn in hell.
March 28, 2002, 7:57 p.m. CST
Yet more proof that the jews own f*ck all in Hollywood. If this was so, wouldn't they be 1st in line to portray Arabs as evil?? No, the people who actually own Hollywood are a bunch of namby pamby wishy washy white males who are desperate to be liked and are wary of being tagged a "bigot". That's how the Palestinians and Arabs in general can pressure them into going easy on them DESPITE some of the worst terrorist bloodshed in recent (or even distant) memeory is going on around us as we speak! All committed by Arabs of course. So of course to spare the feelings of people who despise us and wouldn't hesititate to slit our throats if given the opportunity, the "villians" have to be (guess?) WHITE MALES. After all, no one is offened if you cast them as the bad guys. Never you mind that whie males aern't running around the world trying to topple western civilization. But that's Hollywood for you. Of course Hollywood will forever be free of any terrorist attacks. Sh*it, the Paleastinians and Arabs couldn't get that kind of good P.R. if they paid for it!
March 28, 2002, 9:14 p.m. CST
All right, let me get this straight. You hate Arabs because they wear towels on their heads? Geez, nobody can step out of the shower without being attacked by you in your family, huh? Fuck you, by the way.
March 28, 2002, 9:23 p.m. CST
Specially trained terrorists who happen to be Muslims destroy the World Trade Center. I can see how that's upsetting. But for you to assume every living Muslim is evil because of this is blooming idiocy. I would skip tomorrow's Muslim tackling session if I were you.
March 28, 2002, 10:12 p.m. CST
You say things like blooming, you're obviously not from America. So screw you too... I wish they attacked the Eiffel Tower or Big Ben, than you liberal fucks wouldn't be so quick to come back at us for hating these cretins... My loathing of them is irrelevant - my post was saying how they pussied out and chose someone more PC. And the guy posting saying how Jews run hollywood, etc... you call everyone on here idiots, like your OPINION is that much more informed. You, unlike all of us, are catching the undercurrent of all the Hollywood knowledge no one else can grasp - jackass! Fuck the Middle East - bomb them all and take the oil!
March 28, 2002, 10:53 p.m. CST
Your last post makes absolutley no sense and all you have shown me is you are an even bigger idiot than I expected. First of all, to concept of determining someone is not from America from their using the word "blooming" is the most moronic thing I've ever heard. And you say that if they destroyed the Eiffel Tower or Big Ben would we be wrong and you be right. Well, that didn't happen, you jackass! YOU'RE STILL WRONG, YOU MORON! I'm still debating what would be the point of you saying that and how it relates to anything. I won't even bother to match wits with you anymore, because of your number of I.Q. points that is identical to how many fingers you have. In case you don't know, that number is 10. Make all the stupid responses you want, but it'll just be more comic relief to me.
March 29, 2002, 3:23 a.m. CST
Hey there were Muslims in the WTC who died too. This was an attack by a militant fundamentalist group of fanatics who use religion as a sheild to hide behind. I am half Muslim. I do not let anyone speak for me except myself. I don't condone violence or terrorist attacks. I don't wear a towel on my head. I was born in America. I love my country. Peace.
March 29, 2002, 4:31 a.m. CST
This movie is unwatchable. I'm sick of the PC Hollywood types changing the villians to politically correct ones. The sand monkeys are the ones committing the terror acts, and that was represented in the book.
March 29, 2002, 4:44 a.m. CST
by phil dearly
Why is Ben Affleck so terrible?! Everyone I know can't stand the guy!! He's the only actor I can think of who nobody likes!!! People who don't like Leonardo Dicaprio still say he was good in What's Eating Gilbert Grape. Affleck's obviously not comfortable in front of the camera. He has this tendency to try to turn away from it when he's acting. I'll never understand why he keeps getting these high profile roles like Jack Ryan and Daredevil. Is Michael Bay to blame for casting him in Armageddon and Pearl Harbor? Or was it his winning an Oscar? But, you know what, I just realized that by the end of the year after all of these Ben Asslick movies come out, the world will be so sick of his big, dumb, fuckin', stupid-lookin' head that no one will want to see him in amovie ever again. Again, there are very few actors I dislike, but Ben Affleck sucks!! The only actor I hate more is Ryan Philippe. Strangely, his brother Casey is much more talented....check out "Drowning Mona".
March 29, 2002, 8:11 a.m. CST
by Sith Lord Jesus
Bigoted troglodytes such as you and your butt-buddies citydoglax and Bored Man make me want to vomit. Harry, ban these Nazi motherfuckers, please. Or does your stated policy against Hate Speech mean nothing?!
March 29, 2002, 8:15 a.m. CST
We've got the Sum of All Fears brewing in the Holy Land and Mideast right now. I think I'll just save my money, stay home and watch the news. Besides, they FUCKED UP the original story WAY TOO MUCH for this movie for it to be ANY DAMNED GOOD. Clancy should never have sold the rights.
March 29, 2002, 12:42 p.m. CST
I agree totally. Ben Affleck is not a bad supporting actor, but a leading man? That's ridiculous!
March 29, 2002, 2:07 p.m. CST
Has Hollywood every gotten one right? Even LOTR had problems...I will let my imagination be my movie and save my $10. Maybe more people should read...
March 29, 2002, 2:33 p.m. CST
by Coyote Halbert
...this forum...wow. I don't know whether to laugh my ass off at these posts or be absolutely horrified. What a three-ring donkey fuck show. We are so seriously doomed as a society.
March 29, 2002, 4:20 p.m. CST
Harry should change the title of this talkback from "THE SUM OF ALL FEARS trailer" to "Middle East attacked by morons...film at 11." But I gotta say without any hesitation, the winner of this moronathon has got to be citydoglax. With his rambling idiocy, it's hard to take any of his Arab hate speech seriously, knowing he probably doesn't know which way is up.
March 29, 2002, 5:49 p.m. CST
...that create people like John 'American Taliban' Walker. The guy freaks out when his daddy turned homo and he joins the taliban. He was from an ultra liberal home and community. 85 percent of all Muslims don't believe Bin Lauden is involved in the WTC. Who the fuck cares what they think. The point of this topic is that Hollywood changed the book. There was no reason to change it. Especially, since there were already two terrorist attacks on American interests by Al Quieda before September 11th. The only reason is they created this generic PC villain was that the producers thought Muslims would complain.
March 29, 2002, 7:46 p.m. CST
by Noriko Takaya
. . .otherwise the Brothers Neanderthal--Bored Man, citydoglax and Danny666--wouldn't still be posting. Be that as it may, banning people really isn't the answer. These mental midgets would just go get another yahoo login and be back here spewing their trash faster then you could say "botched lobotomy." I like instead the idea of a Slashdot-style interface, where posts are scored by their relevance to the topic at hand. This means in practice that on-topic posts are moderated upwards (for example: +1, +2, +3) while off-topic posts are moderated down (-1, -2, -3). No one ever gets banned and people can post whatever they want, but since users may set their own personal preferences they can arrange it so that they never see the flame wars, trolls and other such nonsense. Anyone who wants to see AICN raw and uncut can just set their pref's to 0 or -1. This sounds to me like a much better solution to the problem.***************To get back on-topic myself, I must say I feel that changing the book to the point where neo-nazis are the enemy instead of Arab terrorists is pathetic. I don't know weather Clancy agreed to it or not, but my personal preferance would be to stick to the origional text, unless said text is some sort of brainless "Arabs are all evil" screed. I don't honestly know; I haven't read it. But the film IMOHO would be much more powerful and intense if it were to be a gripping depiction of what political violence could one day lead to in this Nuclear/Biological/Chemical age, especially in the wake of 9/11. *Shrug.* Just my 0.02 cents. Toppu o Nerae!
March 30, 2002, 12:06 a.m. CST
I say fuck the Muslims. Just because someone hates Muslims for killing thousands of people doesn't make them a Nazi. In fact, I'm black. Black Muslims? Let em' die too. My point was what Dan666 says, they changed the bad guys from the book for no reason. Just because America hates you, don't blame me. Where were you when these cretins were training. Turning a blind eye I bet. How can you be half a religion? That's about as functional as retarded siamese twins. Is that comic relief enough for you?
March 30, 2002, 12:13 a.m. CST
Stick to the book. And stick to makign these cretins the bad guys they are. Drop the bomb on them all. If you were to knock citydog senseless, it would be a miracle. You are probably a twink. A towel head twink to boot. Half Muslim? How the fuck can someone be half a religion?
March 30, 2002, 12:10 p.m. CST
So you mamby-pamby bleeding hearts can give a rest to your defensive "don't judge a film by its trailer" hysterics. SoAF SUCKS. Completely, embarrassingly. Sorry Harry, mark my words -- this was the FINAL Jack Ryan movie. Paramount has KILLED this franchise. It's BORING -- no action until the one-hour mark, and even after that things continue pretty much half-assed. It's not nearly as smart, fun, or stylish as the pre-existing trilogy, so I wish they'd left well enough alone, released some Spec Edition DVDs, and let it rest in peace. But Nooooo, the geniuses have gone and tainted the originals now with this horrendously stupid wishy-washy Clinton-Gore college-audience sequel (which is really Tom Clancy's "Superman IV Quest for Peace" shame on him)............. PHIL ALDEN ROBINSON? Why not Roger Spottiswoode or Michael Apted? I never thought I could miss Philip Noyce so much. Phil Alden Robinson may be a nice guy in need of a paycheck, but he's a washed-up, has-been, ex-60's liberal Baby Boomer out-of-touch with what this generation needs in a director. He's going to be back out hunting for work again after this cheeseball floats out of the second-run dollar houses. Unless fat college girls show up en masse to support their beloved Ben (he's cute, but that's about it)............... TOM CLANCY *IS* a WHORE. Clancy has shamelessly sold out any shred of integrity by promoting this movie and Affleck as somehow being anything remotely good, simply because Tom Clancy wants Hollywood $$$, and the sum of his fears is that THIS movie may kill off his cash-cow (Worry not, Tom, after "Black Hawk Down," Bruckheimer can do a great "Rainbow" Six movie).................. Harry, I don't know what test audiences you're talking about, b/c I did not hear a single positive comment when the lights came up and the focus-group people started asking questions. All I heard was how much everybody misses the *good* versions, like Red October and C&P Danger. *MAYBE* last year when they originally SHOWED the nuclear disaster eliminate Baltimore, people might have gushed at how shockingly cool THAT scene was, but post-9/11 they've edited most of that out, so now you only see what's in the trailer -- a quick glimpse of a mushroom cloud and some vehicles crashing, which may seem freaky but it's not worth sitting through two hours of shit to endure................. Surprisingly, Affleck and the villains were NOT what people complained about -- I expected to loathe Ben (I couldn't stand him in Armageddon, and HATED him in Pearl Harbor) but he really does a pseudo-decent job as Jack Ryan. He's no Baldwin or Ford, but he's not half-bad, actually tolerable. Unfortunately, the script only lets him mimic Alec Baldwin's scenes in Red October, honestly, with Morgan Freeman playing the James Earl Jones mentor-father-figure, introducing Ryan to the Washington VIPs, all the green new-guy awkward embarrassment about trying to adapt to dangerous situations, relying on Liev Shrieber's John Clark to deliver the real bullet-muscle. Been there, done that, tired and boring.................. The villains -- though PC -- are at least decently cast, faces I hadn't seen before, probably all indie Euro-actors. True, it may be dull to witness Russians and South Africans (ala the bland IRA in Patriot Games, and paling in comparison to the intriguing villains of C&P Danger or Alan Rickman's all-time classic Hans Gruber), but the worst aspect of these villains' involvement in SUM OF ALL FEARS is the movie's ho-hum finale, which I hope is not the one they release, as they really aren't eliminated in any sort of exciting climactic way, rather more of a shrugging, yawning "oh well" conclusion........ However, the WORST casting in the movie is the "good" guys -- the President is James Cromwell ("Babe," "Citizen Baines," BORING) and one of his top guys (advisor, cabinet, whatever) is the evil boss dude from "Alias" (you know, that Joel Grey-looking guy who was the mayor or something in "LA Confidential"), and the rest of those D.C. VIPs are ultra-cliche CAA Casting 101 stereotypes..... I DESPISED every scene with these people, as they're not given anything fresh or new to say or do, just going through the motions of playing artificial politicos like some fourth-rate West Wing deleted scene. Poor bastards, grab some grub from craft services and head back to your trailers................ I feel sorry for any of you AICN blindfolded defenders who are still supporting this movie in naive deluded hope that if we give Paramount a fair chance they will deliver something other than another Ashley Judd legal thriller or Nickelodeon kid's turd. As soon as they had announced that Ford and Noyce were stepping down, that Tom Clancy had endorsed Affleck as a wonderful new Jack Ryan, that Phil Alden Robinson was directing, and that the un-PC villains were being altered to PC white guys, my stomach curdled with the foregone realization that this franchise had tanked out past any hopes of salvage. I feel sorry for everybody involved in this fiasco... they're probably all really nice people, who wanted to do a good job, but didn't have a clue how. Maybe now we'll see if Doug Liman and Matt Damon can do any better with Bourne Identity -- a stretch, but here's hoping, since I can't imagine any way it could possibly be worse than Sum of All Donkey.
March 30, 2002, 12:26 p.m. CST
One of the posters stated he thought it was funny to boomerang Jack Ryan's age anywhere. From his proper age when Baldwin played him to making him older, to now a young punk. The kids inthe vacation films look different and are different ages all the times, and that's the joke. I would've liked this better if they did what one poster said and had this set during the Cardinal in the Kremlin. Then a few years later you could do The Sum Of all Fears if you want to keep Affleck involved.
March 30, 2002, 4:11 p.m. CST
Because that's what you are. A dunce. You are the official DUNCE of this talkback, so put on your dunce cap and dance the night away. You must think that every Muslim and Arab in the world was collected and they all were trained to destroy the World Trade Center. You must think that the Muslim by the drug store that day was in on it, and that Arab by the movie theatre, and that Muslim at the grocery store, and..you get the idea. If you think Muslims and Arabs all over the U.S. relished in September 11th, you are wrong. They were probably ashamed that their people would do such a thing. Muslims and Arabs have just as much a right as anybody to live a normal life without you going up to them and saying "You destroyed the World Trade Center! You bastard!", and punching them out for no reason at all. They also have a right to not be stereotyped as "towel-heads". And as for this "half-religion" crap, I didn't start that at all, so if you're holding that against me, stop it. I will only say this once and never talk to you again: you are a paranoid, moronic, clueless DUNCE! I hope tomorrow's newspaper headlines say "Man Attacked By Angry Crowd Of Muslims And Arabs"
March 30, 2002, 8:07 p.m. CST
I don't want to be criticizing your knowledge of your own heritage, but dude Muslim ain't an ethnicity. You can't be half Muslim. You can be half Arab or Caucasian or Black or whatever, but not Muslim man. For example I'm a Scotch/Scotch-Irish Germanic Anglo American (or somesuch), but I'm not a Presbyterian Methodist. Half Muslim would mean you're mixing and matching you're religions, but you couldn't be classified as a member of one of those religions in particular. Got to remember the clarity in your posts man or we can't tell whether or not you just made a slip of the tongue or if you're a fuckin fool.-----------------And while I'm here, Sleazy G man maybe you oughta cool down a bit. You know, drink some bourbon, smoke some pot, just get some depressants in your damn system somehow. I've got to think you're in need of some because the last post started to push into the realm of crazy talk. Saving lives? The other shit you were talking about sure, but changing the Muslim terrorists to Neo-Nazis isn't about saving lives man. Hamas and al-Queda don't give a shit about their portrayal in H'wood. On the individual level I doubt the members of those organizations like it anymore than the rest of the Arab world, but I haven't seen any bombings in retaliation for True Lies. You're one of the good guys around here man, try not to lose it and descend to the level of the fucking mob.
March 30, 2002, 8:16 p.m. CST
I came after you in another tb, my response to your response was swallowed into tb oblivion due to the fucked up order. I just wanted to say agan that you were right and I was wrong. I fucking hate people that just ignore it when they've had their arguements torn apart, utterly fucking classless, can't let myself be percieved as one of those types.
March 30, 2002, 9:27 p.m. CST
I am intriugued by MARC PRICE's take on Ben Who-Fleck. Do you perhaps know this man personally? Otherwise, I don't get the intensely personal attack. He is a light leading man, not a deep actor. He is an exact copy of Harrison Ford, who will never be accused of giving a great performance. I don't care much for Who-Fleck, but he is about as perfect a choice to carry on Jack Ryan as anyone I can think of. Now, I do believe DAREDEVIL would be better played by Matt Damon, who can act and actually looks like Mart Murdock. But Who-Fleck is what he is. Whom would you have play Ryan? Edward Burns? Jason Lee? Dean Cain? The light leading men of any consequence otherwise are all much too old to play Ryan in the new millennium.
March 30, 2002, 9:38 p.m. CST
There are Americans who would just as soon see all of the Mideast wiped clean. But you won't see that used for any movie plot anytime soon.
March 30, 2002, 11:25 p.m. CST
Kamehameha posted a long note about how much he hated the movie and how he feels it will die a painful death, thus ending the franchise. Hard to believe we saw the same movie. I loved it. The first hour lays the groundwork for the film, and the suspense builds steadily until the bomb. Everyone I was with, and everyone around us, was on the edge of our seats. The rest of the picture was incredibly tense and exciting and definitely an A-ticket ride. I guess I wasn't at the same screening as Kamehameha, because I didn't hear ANYONE pan the film, and I was IN the focus group. The cast was terrific, and I thought the President and his men were really, really interesting. Unlike any other portrayal I've ever seen of the President and his staff - they're struggling for control, completely in over their heads, alternately sullen and snapping at each other, and I bet it's a lot more like that when the bad stuff happens than what we usually see on TV. I also really liked Live Schreiber as John Clark, and of course, Morgan Freeman as Cabot. And I thought Ben Afleck was really good at playing the young and inexperienced Jack Ryan who has to somehow rise to the occassion and save the world by the end. Really good work - maybe his best. I liked all the previous Jack Ryan films, and this is now my favorite. Smarter than the others, and even though a lot has changed from the book, it's MUCH more like a Tom Clancy novel than the others. By that I mean it takes its time to set up all these different people and places and then shows you how they all come together, just like the books do. The other movies were much more straightforward in the way the stories unfolded. This one is more twisting and turning, and therefore will appeal more to a smarter, well-read audience than most action films. The script, the directing, the camerawork, the special effects, the acting, everything, was first-rate. I know Kamehameha disagrees, but by his own admission, he went to see the film predisposed not to like it. And his is the only negative review I read here from the various test screenings. The other reviews were excellent. I predict if people go to this with an open mind, they will enjoy it as much as everyone I saw it with did. My other prediction: HUGE hit.
March 31, 2002, 3:53 p.m. CST
Umm, please elaborate. What exactly don't I know? I can't respond to someone who can only tell me I'm wrong and leave it at that. Are you trying to tell me that there aren't peace loving Muslims in this world? Well I am one of them. In fact my whole family is. The people who attacked the world trade center were evil. Crazy. I will not let them dirty the Islamic faith with there stupidity. America had to respond...we did the right thing. There are millions of Muslim Americans who only want to live in peace, as well as millions of Middle Eastern Muslims who want the same thing. Peace.
March 31, 2002, 3:55 p.m. CST
My Mother was born Muslim, my father Christian...I was raised Muslim. So there.
March 31, 2002, 4:02 p.m. CST
For a great film about the Middle East, Muslims, racism and America, watch "Three Kings" maybe you won't think of Arabs as "towel-heads" so much anymore.
March 31, 2002, 4:05 p.m. CST
The outcry over Halle Berry's oscar speech was ridiculous. Let her have her moment. Nobody complained when Julia Roberts went on and on and on. You know what America's nickname for Canadian crews in the film industry are? "Ice-Niggers" What a country.
March 31, 2002, 4:20 p.m. CST
say the trailer already in the cinema & it's going to blow chunks. the subject is downright boring now....! give terrorists & war flicks a rest & do something else. this movie will suck big time. & btw affleck as an action hero is as convincing as having steve guttenburg doing MATRIX RELOADED! hahahahaha....^_^
March 31, 2002, 8:43 p.m. CST
So you were influenced by Muslim ideals while you were growing up. But dude you either live by the tenets of the religion or you don't. There aren't any halvsies on this isuue.
April 1, 2002, 3:02 a.m. CST
I don't have to explain my faith, upringing, ideals, morals, or beliefs to anyone. This is a website devoted to movies is it not?
April 1, 2002, 4:31 a.m. CST
EXACTLY! typical that the coalition of anti-semite bigots and the bleeding heart Palestinian supporters would go on the defensive. The fact is that Hollywood changed the book because as usual they're too much a pussy to "offend" anyone. Heaven forbid that Islamic nations (who prolly wouldn't allow their citizens to see "heathen" films anyways) might be offended at the portrayal of 16 to 40 year old men in various stages of terrorism and fanaticism. God knows that is "offensive" and unrealistic. The people of Isreal and New York might beg to differ though. Heaven forbid that any American muslims might be offened. Better to offend every white person by the portrayal of European Nazi's. Yes, it's that silly. Having murderous muslims could be tempered by having some muslims on the U.S. side I've yet to see any in real life mind you, but for the sake of being P.C., this can be done on film so we can all feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Only good thing I can see coming from having Nazi's in the film is that U.S. Muslim's can now have $7.50 less money to spend on donations to Hamas and "the struggle".
April 1, 2002, 7:10 p.m. CST
This isn't a question of faith it's a question of vocabulary.
April 2, 2002, 3:41 a.m. CST
Just read some of the stuff written by the guy who runs it.
April 3, 2002, 8:05 a.m. CST
by Sith Lord Jesus
And citydoglax, if you are actually black (which I somehow doubt) then you are a disgrace to the race with your idiotic, bigoted views. Go join your fellow morons Danny666, fuckarabs1 and Bored Man at their next Klan meeting