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Fox's DAREDEVIL Press Release...
Hey folks, Harry here with a press release announcing Principal Photography for DAREDEVIL. Now the race is on to get a shot of Ben Affleck in the horn head duds. Or of Duncan as Kingpin... Or Garner as Elektra... pant pant pant... The script was amazing... the storyboards for the action was hardcore, brutal and bloody. Does this film have the guts that it started life with? Will FOX have the cajones to make a balls to the wall Frank Miller style Daredevil adventure? Let's pray. Here's the announcement....
Monday March 25, 8:20 pm Eastern Time
Press Release
SOURCE: Twentieth Century Fox Films
Principal Photography Begins on DAREDEVIL
LOS ANGELES--(ENTERTAINMENT WIRE)--March 25, 2002--Principal photography has begun on the action-adventure thriller DAREDEVIL, starring Ben Affleck, and written & directed by Mark Steven Johnson. The film will shoot entirely on location in Los Angeles, and is scheduled for release on January 17, 2003.
Regency Enterprises and Twentieth Century Fox are bringing Marvel's legendary comic hero -- known as the Man Without Fear -- to the big screen. Attorney Matt Murdock is blind, but his other four senses function with superhuman sharpness. By day, Murdock represents the downtrodden. At night, he is Daredevil, a masked vigilante stalking the dark streets of the city, a relentless avenger of justice.
DAREDEVIL stars Ben Affleck (the upcoming ``The Sum of All Fears,'' ``Pearl Harbor,''), Jennifer Garner (``Alias''), Michael Clarke Duncan (``The Green Mile''), Colin Farrell (``Hart's War''), Jon Favreau (``Made''), Joe Pantoliano (``The Matrix''), David Keith (``Behind Enemy Lines'') and newcomer Scott Terra (the upcoming ``Eight Legged Freaks'').
DAREDEVIL is written and directed by Mark Steven Johnson (``Simon Birch''), produced by Gary Foster (``The Score'') and Avi Arad (``X-Men''), and executive produced by Kevin Feige (``X-Men'') and Bernie Williams (``The Score'').
The behind-the-scenes team includes director of photography Ericson Core (``The Fast and the Furious''), production designer Barry Chusid (``Blade'' art director), three-time Oscar®-winning costume designer James Acheson (the upcoming ``Spider-Man''), visual effects supervisor Rich Thorne (``Behind Enemy Lines''), Academy Award®- nominated editor Dennis Virkler (``The Fugitive,'' ``The Hunt For Red October'') and legendary action director Cheung-Yan Yuen (``Charlie's Angels,'' ``Iron Monkey'').
``Daredevil: The Man Without Fear'' debuted in Marvel Comics' Daredevil #1 in 1964. Created by comics legend Stan Lee, Daredevil has endured as one of the most popular comic book heroes of all time and remains one of the most beloved characters in the Marvel Universe.
Ben Affleck stars in the title role. He will next be seen starring in ``Changing Lanes,'' opposite Samuel L. Jackson, ``The Sum of All Fears'' as the Tom Clancy hero Jack Ryan, and in Martin Brest's ``Gigli,'' opposite Jennifer Lopez. Affleck's other film credits include ``Pearl Harbor,'' ``Armageddon,'' ``Shakespeare in Love,'' ``Forces of Nature,'' ``Dogma,'' ``Boiler Room,'' ``Reindeer Games,'' ``Bounce'' and ``Chasing Amy.'' In 1998, he won both an Academy Award and a Golden Globe Award for his first script, ``Good Will Hunting,'' which he co-wrote with Matt Damon.
Jennifer Garner stars as martial arts femme fatale Elektra Natchios, Matt Murdock's new love interest and the daughter of a powerful Greek business tycoon. Garner recently received the Golden Globe Award for Best Actress in a Drama Series for her performance as Sydney Bristow on ABC's ``Alias.'' Garner's film credits include ``Pearl Harbor'' (co-starring with Ben Affleck), ``Dude, Where's My Car?,'' ``Mr. Magoo,'' ``Deconstructing Harry,'' ``1999'' and ``Washington Square.''
Michael Clarke Duncan stars as Wilson Fisk, a massively muscled underworld figure. Duncan will next be seen opposite The Rock in ``The Scorpion King,'' and in the fantasy ``George and the Dragon'' with Patrick Swayze. Duncan was nominated for an Academy Award® for his performance opposite Tom Hanks in ``The Green Mile.'' His film credits also include ``Planet of the Apes,'' ``Armageddon,'' ``The Whole Nine Yards,'' ``See Spot Run,'' ``Bulworth,'' ``The Player's Club,'' ``A Night At The Roxbury'' and his film debut, ``Friday.''
Colin Farrell is Bullseye, a psychotic and ruthless assassin with perfect aim. Dublin native Farrell will soon be seen starring in ``The Farm'' with Al Pacino, Joel Schumacher's ``Phone Booth,'' and ``Minority Report'' with Tom Cruise. His film credits also include ``Hart's War,'' ``American Outlaws'' and ``Tigerland,'' for which he won the Boston Society of Film Critics Award for Best Actor.
Jon Favreau is Franklin `Foggy' Nelson, Matt Murdock's lifelong friend and law partner. A versatile actor, writer, producer and director, Favreau is best known for having written and starred in ``Swingers'' and ``Made,'' which he also directed. His feature film acting credits include ``The Replacements,'' ``Very Bad Things,'' ``Deep Impact,'' ``Batman Forever,'' ``PCU,'' ``Rudy,'' ``Hoffa'' and ``Folks.''
Joe Pantoliano is Urich, an investigative reporter hot on the trail of the biggest story of his career: the secret behind the Man Without Fear. Pantoliano is perhaps best known for his roles in ``The Matrix,'' ``Memento'' and ``The Fugitive.'' Recently, he played a memorable recurring role on ``The Sopranos.''
David Keith is Matt Murdock's single father, beleaguered prizefighter Jack `The Devil' Murdock. Keith's film credits include the upcoming ``The Stick Up'' with James Spader, and ``Sabretooth,'' as well as recent films ``Behind Enemy Lines,'' ``U-571'' and ``Men of Honor.'' David's seventy-plus film projects began with his debut in ``The Rose'' with Better Midler, and include appearances in ``The Great Santini,'' ``Brubaker,'' ``An Officer and a Gentleman,'' ``Independence Day,'' ``The Lords of Discipline,'' ``Firestarter,'' ``White of the Eye,'' ``Heartbreak Hotel,'' ``Major League II,'' and ``The Indian in the Cupboard,'' among others.
Relative newcomer Scott Terra plays Matt Murdock at age twelve. Terra will soon be seen in the film ``Eight Legged Freaks.'' His film credits also include ``The Perfect Nanny,'' ``Redemption of the Ghost,'' ``Ground Zero'' and ``Shadrach.''
Mark Steven Johnson (Director/Writer) made his directorial debut in 1998 with ``Simon Birch,'' which he also scripted based on the John Irving novel, ``A Prayer for Owen Meany.'' As a screenwriter, Johnson is best known for his hit pictures ``Grumpy Old Men'' and the sequel, ``Grumpier Old Men,'' starring screen legends Jack Lemmon, Walter Matthau, Ann-Margret and Sophia Loren. His other screenplays include ``Big Bully,'' starring Rick Moranis and Tom Arnold, and ``Jack Frost,'' starring Michael Keaton.
Gary Foster (Producer) produced the Oscar and Golden Globe- nominated hit ``Sleepless in Seattle,'' which grossed in excess of $300 million worldwide. He most recently produced ``The Score,'' starring Robert De Niro, Edward Norton and Marlon Brando. His film producing credits include ``Tin Cup,'' ``Gloria,'' ``Desperate Measures,'' ``Big Bully,'' ``Short Circuit,'' ``Short Circuit 2,'' ``The Amazing Panda Adventure,'' and co-produced ``Just Cause.'' In 1997, Foster partnered with writer/director Mark Steven Johnson to form Horseshoe Bay Productions, a full-service company designed to develop, write, produce and direct motion pictures.
Avi Arad (Producer) is the President and CEO of Marvel Studios. Arad works with many of Hollywood's most prestigious directors, writers, producers and studio executives, carefully supervising the transition of Marvel characters to live-action and animated feature films. His film producing and executive producing credits include the upcoming ``Spider-Man,'' ``The Hulk,'' ``Blade II,'' ``X-Men 2,'' as well as recent films ``X-Men'' and ``Blade.'' His animated television series credits include ``Spider-Man,'' ``X-Men,'' ``The Incredible Hulk,'' ``Spider Man Unlimited,'' ``Avengers'' and ``Mutant X.''
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I am surprised the press release mentions Owen Meany as being the basis for Simon Birch. My understanding was that John Irving disliked the movie so much that he would not allow the book's title to be used at all - hence the character name changes.
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Where the hell did I miss this? And when did Duncan get white and fat?
No matter, it's probably for the best. The guy is cool.
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I hope with all my heart that this movie will be fun...however, I think that the casting of Ben Afflac Insurance is a HUGE mistake...he is the same in every movie..watching him in SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE is so laughable...he will always be known for Good Will Hunting..thats it...Jude Law or Guy Pearce would have been perfect for the lead role...
I still cannot get over Ben landing this role... (sigh)...
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In fact, if I remember correctly, John Irving insisted that the "based on" credit not be used at all. Simon Birch was to be billed as "suggested by" Owen Meany. I hope Mark Steven Johnson's bio was approved by Daredevil's legal department.
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i remember rex smith as the daredevil in one of the incredible hulk tv movies, i also remember him as the street hawk.
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I can see a black Kingpin, but I can't see this.
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Mar 26, 2002 2:05:06 PM CST
"Will FOX have the cajones to make a balls to the wall Frank Mil
by superhero
Face it...with the lead role being filled in by the talentless Ben Affleck this project is pretty much shot to hell. Yes, Clarke-Duncan might work as The Kingpin (although you've taken away what was great about the original character-that he wasn't some sort of criminal stereotype-not black or Italian-just an evil white guy who controlled the crime syndicates. How much does ANYONE wanna bet this new Kingpin is all "P.Diddy'd Out" and played as some gangsta-rapper stereotype?) and Garner MAY be able to pull off Electra but Affleck as Daredevil? Man, you pretty much screwed the pooch on that one. I know I won't be paying full price at least to see this one if anything. By putting Affleck in the lead role you've pretty much convinced me that any of the depth that was inherent in DD's character will be glazed over with Ben's frat-boy acting ticks. If you need any evidence of this just go see Pearl Harbor...the Elvis movie without the catchy tunes and the horrible Elvis imitation done by Mr. Affleck himself. I mean the guy couldn't even naturally play himself in JAY AND SILENT BOB! Man, another comic property bites the dust...Oh, and the Spider-Man movie looks good but I'm still pissed off about the organic web-shooters...signs of lazy scriptwriting right there kiddies...still, I'll probably like it 'cause everything else at least looks good. But with a moron in the lead tights Daredevil's pretty much shot to hell from the outset...
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Funny, I thought Joe Pantoliano as Urich was pretty inspired casting. He'll probably be the best thing in this movie. Hopefully Jennifer Garner will get sick and pull out and she will be replaced by Aria Giovanni as Electra (hubba hubba!)
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Mar 26, 2002 2:13:29 PM CST
Daredevil is going to be a huge dissapointment due to the ho-hum
by spanishpantlones
As a big Daredevil fan with the Bullseye/Electra saga in my collection, I cannot possibly see this movie working out better than average to mediocre-The cast is all wrong. Daredevil: is a blind redheaded Irish american Lawer/martial arts master in his early 30's-complex,mysterious and haunted. I don't think hair dye cannot give Affleck the full makeover. Affleck is a little too young and frat boyish for this. Kingpin: Michael Clark Duncan is not white and is developing a resume of mediocredy post TLGM but he's also not a fat slop like Robbie Coltrane-I'd still prefer RC.Electra: No complaints here really but she's so American-she does have the best chance of succeeding. Bullseye: The biggest letdown here. Farrel is much shorter than Affleck(6'3)and so young and pretty that he won't be a menace. Vin diesel was born for this role-fuck! Why is it filming entirely in LA? This is going to look like Spiderman-the live action TV show!
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Agree about his youth and look being question, but if Electra's in it then it falls in his earlier, formative years anyways, and might work. I still have all the images from the Fall From Grace novel still in my mind, and that's real grit and blood. Can Affleck take that personality?
As for Duncan Clarke, just give him the Nutty Professor's outfit and it should 'fill' Kingpin's shoes nice-like.
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I can't believe that they are going through with this piece of crap! After all of the progress that they have achieved with "X-MEN" and what looks like successful ventures with "SPIDERMAN" and "HULK", they come along with this, a major step back to the "PUNISHER" days!!! At least they knew that movie was crap!!!! I guess they figure with the successes that they have, they figure that they can just shove this down our throats and we'll happily digest it! Well, they're wrong!!! I would suggest a boycott, but, I don't think it be hard to avoid the theatres when this comes out!!!
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There. It's been said.
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Mar 26, 2002 2:49:45 PM CST
NO ONE NO ONE NO ONE outside of AICN and a few comic geeks cares
by charles grady
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Or Ben, or whoever you are. Seriously - I agree wholeheartedly that Daredevil is NOT "one of the most popular comic book heroes of all time and remains one of the most beloved characters in the Marvel Universe" (no disrespect to the mighty Stan the Man). He has just above a cult following at best. BUT...the point that DD fans are trying to make, and I agree, is that Matt Murdock is a complex character with an actual personality, and they rightly believe that someone with a shred of acting ability should have the role. Murdock is basically a lawyer with a conscience, a guy who's sickened by the bullshit that goes on in the courtroom and the ability of criminals to step on the law. Add to that his childhood, his blindness, his enhanced senses, boxing, etc. Afflicted should play Kingpin Goon #9 who is seen for 1.8 seconds sitting at a bar downing a Sam Adams. Despite people not knowing Daredevil, he's a good character that demographic for this movie who are non-comic readers would have lapped up. But now, Daredevil will have all the charisma and depth that Matt Salinger brought to Captain America. Oh, well...looking forward to Kirsten Watson...
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Mar 26, 2002 3:14:50 PM CST
Ignorance is ubiquitous but "Daredevil" is far from obscure.
by formula409
Mr. Grady,
Pop culture obscurity is irrelevant. Notoriety does not guarantee success, nor does the lack thereof guarantee failure. After all, who had heard of Luke Skywalker before 1977? -
But this will be the suckiest suck that ever sucked a suck. The list of bad news regarding this "movie", overwhelmingly outweighs the good news....wait...there wasn't any good news.
Horrible casting choices like this will keep all but the most hardcore DD fans away(All five of them), but obviously, that's not who the movie is supposed to be geared towards.
I've collected comics for almost 30 years, and Marvel is my favorite publisher. I own over 60,000 comics, and out of those I might have MAYBE 3 or 4 Daredevil comics. IT BLOWS and doesn't deserve a movie in the first place. Let alone a poorly casted crap fest like this....Horrible choice for DD, Bullseye, but especially the Kingpin. THE KINGPIN IS #@%&#$* WHITE for $@%&'s sake! Why change it? It's been working for 40 years just fine!! Nothing against Duncan per se, but what the FU*K were they thinking?? I will be avoiding this like I do church.
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Not Kingpin? I don't have a problem with that, just seems a little odd. Maybe they don't want associations with that stupid bowling movie. sk
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i thought he was writing the DD script? was that just a rumor? did he get canned? if he got fired, it's probably because his script was fantastc. you know how Hollywood loves to suck...
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Mar 26, 2002 3:39:28 PM CST
Charles Grady-You're right-Daredevil is not a house hold nam
by spanishpantlones
Some people do care and would like to see this film done with some integridy. Hollywood obviously doesn't care about "some people". Most comic book subjects are not fit for the big screen anyway-but a DD film could be worth watching if done right. I think it's chances of MAXIMUM Profit are best possible with a quality presentation-like LOTR-Quality is never a bad idea and The source material is just fine without re-interpretations and liberal casting decisions. Daredevil never hit it big in kiddie land 'cause he never had a cartoon show and the character and stories were very dark,adult and minimalistic.Ben Affleck is not an A-list actor- his Oscar was for co-writing a screenplay-he's just very famous now but he has yet to step up to the acting big leages like his pal Matt Damon. Pay scale doesn't determine talent.
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Mar 26, 2002 3:45:19 PM CST
Hey Charles Grady: I'm a part of AICN and a comic book geek-
by blue devil
Once I heard Affleck was playing Murdock- strike 1. Duncan as Kingpin- strike 2. Garner as Elektra- strike 3, your motherf*cukin' out!!! I can't believe how badly they're going to butcher this character. Why, why, why??? DD deserves so much better. (I'd get this team for a Captain Carrot and the Zoo crew movie, but that's about it)
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A-Freakin'-Men, man. Talk about voicing your opinions rationally and well. The problem with the Talkbacks here is that it is stuffed chock-full of pissy fanboys who actively create angst and misery for themselves. You're absolutely right when you note that people here should be JOYOUS that this movie is getting made at all, much less with real actors and a real budget. Kevin Smith's Jay and Silent Bob really hit the nail on the head when they satirized this website and the majority of its contributors. The sheer amount of venomous claptrap that makes its way here makes me want to vomit. You know what helps? Just imagine Kevin Smith smacking the SHIT out of the fanboys who reference the heck out of him but are apparently unable to recognize the deep seated loathing that Smith feels for this immature and cowardly behavior. I'll bet $50 that if any of these haters were in a social situation with Affleck they wouldn't say word one to him. They'd sit in the corner getting drunk and jealous over the fact that this guy can get a movie like this off the ground, and they're still chilling in the 'rent's basement.
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Shut the hell up. Have you seen the script? Seen any footage? Seen a costume? Seen ANYTHING? Ten to one you haven't. How can you then say that this movie "deserves better"? For christ's sake, people! If you're this jaded, stop watching movies. They'll only disappoint you every single time. Because YOU didn't get to pick your perfect fanboy dream cast. Your words are meaningless and empty and trite.
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Mar 26, 2002 3:51:27 PM CST
This movie is like watching that extremely slo-mo footage of cra
by cash bailey
They've rushed this film into production with a 'good enough' attitude to casting and they will suffer. Sure Amber and Tiffany from the Valley will go see it, but they will piss off the hard-core audience to their detriment. Why do you think X-MEN made respectable bank? Because the fans actually liked that the film-makers respected the material. There's no way they will make this R-rated and as brutal as it has to be. I wonder who is designing Affleck's cod-piece. Will Big Mike yell "KILL DA HEEEROWS!!" Will Garner actually risk showing an ounce of personality or charisma? Favs will be tha' bomb, yo, but that's all the movie will have going for it.
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Mar 26, 2002 4:07:07 PM CST
Leescoresby : When did I say "this movie deserves better"?
by spanishpantlones
You're quoting someone else dude.I said something similiar but that's not my quote. You are correct about me not seeing any costumes or footage. But I did not REVIEW the film-I just have very low expectations now due to the uninspiring cast. I've read Harry's positive comments on the script and was excited about the movie until they failed to cast Vin Diesel as Bullseye.There is no actor I can think of perfect for Daredevil so I'll accept some comprimise-And yes, Affleck is a deal maker/breaker for the studio. I understand . I am just not impressed.
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sorry Chuck, Daredevils a helluva lot more of recognizable name than BLADE and look how well those movies have done. Regardless, it really doesn't matter, if the movie is good and can provide some entertainment and thrills ala Blade, and not come off as hokey with Affleck in the title role, it has just as much of a chance as getting a decent box office. Do some thinking before you shove that bug up your ass any further.
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... miserable, complaining, whining, toddlers?!? Cry and moan AFTER YOU'VE SEEN THE MOVIE when you can base your opinion on something valid. How can anyone cry so much over something that doesn't yet exist? Or if you hate how it's shaping up then DON'T EVER SEE THE MOVIE. Vote with your wallet! That's the best you can do! Or go to Hollywood and break into the business and make your own movies the way you want to see them! But stop crying. Your going to get all out of breath and your eyes will be all puffy and your face all red, and snot will be running down your nose, and you just won't EVER get a date looking like that, and then you'll have to spend all your time on message boards crying about movies that haven't even been made yet.
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Yeah, I'm worried about this too. Affleck ain't my perfect idea for MM/DD (can you imagine David Caruso during the first season of NYPD BLUE -- before he bit the hand that fed him and took a one-way ticket to Nowheresville?) -- and I don't hate the dude as much as 7/8s of this site (but then again, I avoided seeing "Pearl Harbor"). Jennifer Garner -- acceptable. Mike D. Clark -- I'll try to be open-minded. But what really makes me nervous is the director. Now yes, we've all heard Harry praise the Lord about the script....and this from the same writer who gave us two "Grumpy Old Men" films (one was more than enough) but more alarming the stinkfest known as "JACK FROST"!! Have you folks seen that? I pulled it off the video store shelf for my young kids, and man, it is BAD BAD BAD!! Ended Michael Keaton's career (what's happened to the guy??) M.S. Johnson only has one other directing credit, "Simon Birch". I don't know about y'all, but his lone directing and multiple writing credits give me pause. (As for the January release, the 17th is MLK weekend, no? That's proven to be a decent date for potential sleepers as most distribs avoid big-budget releases that month -- Fox could be going for the lone wide male-audience release that weekend so that the film pops with a big opening weekend - so there could be method in their madness.) I'm not as down on this film as most hardcore comics/AICNers (the above poster is right, at least they're making a damn DD film), and I'll probably shell out my $9.50 to see it. But yeah, I've got concerns...
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This idea that keeps recurring in Talkback that a woman with "Greek features" must be cast as Elektra has me baffled. When I think of Melina Mercouri or Debbie Matenopoulos or Melina Kanakarides or, for that matter, George Stephanopolous (if "Greekness" is the issue,} I think of no obvious visual ethnic commonality among them, leastwise one into which Jennifer Garner does not fit. What is this idea of "Greek features" and how does Jennifer Garner not have 'em?
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I smell crap... and it's not mine.
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There's something about that guy I cant stand. Don't like his acting, don't like his attitude. I will skip this film...because of Ben Affleck..no matter how good it might turn out. I hate Ben Affleck. Sorry.
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Mar 26, 2002 5:51:54 PM CST
what is wrong with you...? Why are we bitching about Daredevil?
by spanishpantlones
Because we don't want to see another frivolous MTV-Taco-bell tie-in miscast shitfest like "The Wild Wild West" or any other crappy adaptation of an existing property that was once pretty cool in it's original medium.I read Daredevil for about 5 years back in the 80's and I have fond memories of an intelligent, mature and gritty comic that continued to hold my interest as I out-grew the competition. The problem with Daredevil (the movie) so far, in terms of my expectations, is the talent associated with it. By contrast, "The Incredible Hulk" movie currently in production has a brilliant director,Ang Lee,Eric Bana, one of the most intriging actors to come around in recent memory(he owned Black Hawk Down)and an Oscar winner in Jennifer Connely. Too bad I don't give 2 shits about the Hulk. I'll see it anyway because of Ang Lee. So, that's why we're bitching! And that's what this site is for anyway, right? As for the Kingpin's race: it's not really a huge factor and MCD is tall, strong and menacing so he'll probably work out fine.-As for Affleck: I certainly don't fault him for taking this role-it's a great part;He needs a memorable role so this could be a career upgrade for him. I do wish him well. It's one thing to express reservation about a film's potential and another to wish failure upon it.If DD turns out to be a pleasant surprise than I'll be the first to praise it-out(fka polanco)
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..... of course they listed everyone's credits. Still, that release date has *got* to be a typo. There's no way you open this film in January.
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Mar 26, 2002 6:07:28 PM CST
Hey Suchahugefan do you know ANYTHING about how movies are made.
by superhero
Ummmmm...if you did then you would know that the script was written BEFORE Michael Clarke Duncan was cast as Fisk. You would also know that between script to actual film ALMOST ANYTHING can change. So if you actually think that they're going to stick with just what's on the page now that they've cast the movie you're an absolute moron! I HAVE done my so-called homework you feeb and I guess it'd take an ignorant teeny-bopper like you to come up with a phrase like that anyway. Just because a script STARTS a project one way doesn't mean that it's going to FINISH the same exact way. HEll, rewrites are done on almost a daily basis on some films! So i suggest that you learn what the F#@k you're talking about before you post a response like that. Seriously, do you know ANYTHING about the movie-making process?
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I can understand the backlash against Affleck, since he did make some turkeys in the past (Forces of Nature, Pearl Harbor, etc). However, he also made cool movies like Good Will Hunting, Bounce, Chasing Amy, Shakespeare in Love (I thought his scenes were done very well). Not many people know this, but according to movieheadlines.com several actors had turned down the role of DD, including Ed Norton and Guy Pearce, before Ben Affleck took the role. Norton & Pearce didn't want to wear the tights, but Affleck would because he freakin' loves the character (he wrote the foreword for Kevin Smith's Daredevil TPB). I personally believe that his enthusiasm and familiarity with the character will help him with this role. He may not be a redhead, but hair color is not a big deal imo. Heck, Michelle Pfiffer played a blond Catwoman, and Famke Janssen is a brunette with reddish tint when she played Jean Grey. I'm more worry about Michael Clark Duncan as Kingpin, since I think the Kingpin should be White. However, after reading the interview with Mark Steven Johnson over at manwithoutfear.com, I think Johnson will at least make him behaving like the comic Kingpin. Jennifer Garner isn't Greek, but maybe with some makeup she'll look somewhat like one. Besides, I like her in Alias. The cool thing about the movie is that the fight director is the same one from The Matrix and Charlie's Angels, which means the fight scenes will kickass. I'm a big fan of DD and unless the movie turns out bad, I will not diss the film. And I might be a minority here, but I don't have a big problem with the cast. I will be there January of 2003 to check out DD, and I wish the film success as a fan of DD.
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Mar 26, 2002 6:42:50 PM CST
Im in Hollywood, trying to break into the biz, so do I have a ri
by aquafresh
Im getting sick of the people who post to say "stop bitching, fanboys". Yeah, thats gonna happen. Because you call them basement dwelling virgins, they'll shut up. Right. Your posts are just as pointless as theirs, if not more. Thats what this site is about for the most part, & if you can't find the humor in it, then don't come here! Its that simple. Just because Kevin Smith took AICN to task in one of his mediocre & sophmoric films, doesn't mean it's gonna end, so get over it. Maybe if we call the inhabitants of the middle east "basement dwelling virgins", they'll stop fighting. As for "Daredevil", all signs point to suck, but I guess we'll see in Jan.2003.
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Does that mean no Hell's Kitchen????
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All you loser white boys need to get a life. Now I can see the complaint over Ben Affleck being Daredevil. I thought they could've gotten someone better. However, if the only complaint that you could give about Michael Duncan being Kingpin is that he is black, then, all of you talkback geeks are idiots. Michael Duncan, besides being black, is the only good actor of his size who could play Kingpin. I think he is perfect. If any of you got any better thoughts of who should play kingpin, then, posts you ideas, because please, post better criticisms instead of saying I don't like that pick because he's black.
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..but the actual filming will be in Los Angeles. Johnson said that parts of LA resembles Hell's Kitchen, so they'll be shooting there. I think it was due to budgetary reasons, they can't shoot in New York.
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I must disagree with AIPORTE. Changing the color of a character is a VERY good reason not to like casting.
How about if they decided to change Blade or the Black Panther to a white guy for the movies because Guy Pierce wanted to play them? It just wouldn't make a freakin bit of sense. Changing the something essential about the character just because the writer wants to is either just plain lazy on their part, or stupid.
As to who could play the Kingpin I would say John Rhyes Davies could do it (true he did it in the Hulk movie but the script sucked). I even think that John Goodman would kick ass as the Kingpin. I've seen some of his movies and he can be a mean, evil SOB if he wants to.
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Mar 26, 2002 7:52:10 PM CST
The deal with why you're not racist if you think Kingpin sho
by superhero
See by casting the Kingpin as Black you are enforcing a racist stereotype ESPECIALLY when the original character is a WHITE crimelord. I mean, I don't really think it can go this far but you COULD say that by casting an African-American in the role of a crimelord you are playing up to a stereotype that blacks have been fighting since they got into the entertainment industry. I mean, didn't I see all this crap about how blacks could only play maids and hustlers for years and years on the Academy Awards on Sunday night? And now that you have a character that was unique and DISTINCT and DIDN'T play into any kind of stereotype BECAUSE he was white and not ethnic (meaning Italian, or Russian, or black;the people that movies and TV would LOVE for all of us to believe are responsible for all street crime in America)they turn it around and cast him as a black man? I mean has anybody who's here THOUGHT about that? What that could say? Instead of calling people who want the Kingpin to be cast as white (because it makes him unique in entertainment) racists why don't you think about how possibly racist it is to cast him as black? I'm not saying that it's outwardly racist or that there might be anything like that sort of "reverse racism" behind casting Clarke-Duncan but it certainly made me stop and think about what it might mean. And as far as who you could cast who was white who is as big as MCD. C'mon, don't even go there. You could get almost any wrestler to shave his head and play the Kingpin. I mean if you got REALLY desperate and DEMANDED having some kind of name you could get the Rock to do it. Heck from the trailers I've seen of The Scorpion King they're both about the same in acting ability...
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Mar 26, 2002 7:52:52 PM CST
The deal with why you're not racist if you think Kingpin sho
by superhero
See by casting the Kingpin as Black you are enforcing a racist stereotype ESPECIALLY when the original character is a WHITE crimelord. I mean, I don't really think it can go this far but you COULD say that by casting an African-American in the role of a crimelord you are playing up to a stereotype that blacks have been fighting since they got into the entertainment industry. I mean, didn't I see all this crap about how blacks could only play maids and hustlers for years and years on the Academy Awards on Sunday night? And now that you have a character that was unique and DISTINCT and DIDN'T play into any kind of stereotype BECAUSE he was white and not ethnic (meaning Italian, or Russian, or black;the people that movies and TV would LOVE for all of us to believe are responsible for all street crime in America)they turn it around and cast him as a black man? I mean has anybody who's here THOUGHT about that? What that could say? Instead of calling people who want the Kingpin to be cast as white (because it makes him unique in entertainment) racists why don't you think about how possibly racist it is to cast him as black? I'm not saying that it's outwardly racist or that there might be anything like that sort of "reverse racism" behind casting Clarke-Duncan but it certainly made me stop and think about what it might mean. And as far as who you could cast who was white who is as big as MCD. C'mon, don't even go there. You could get almost any wrestler to shave his head and play the Kingpin. I mean if you got REALLY desperate and DEMANDED having some kind of name you could get the Rock to do it. Heck from the trailers I've seen of The Scorpion King they're both about the same in acting ability...
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Layers of petty bitching about petty bitching about petty bitching, ad infinitum; meanwhile, nobody realizes that they're all part of the same onion. In fact, this post is merely one more layer.
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Not that I agree with everything you said, but there is way too much whining and moaning about this film going on. Personally, I like Ben Affleck. He's a good enough actor, usually better than the rest of the movie. (He has made some bad choices in films.) Michael Clarke Duncan will make a fine Kingpin. I don't see any reason he has to be white. I'm going to plunk down my money for the film. I expect I'll enjoy it. If I don't, well, I've sat through a lot of very bad films in my life and managed to survive them all. One more isn't going to kill me. So, people, please give the filmmakers a break and let them actually make the film before you rip it to shreds! Just this once? Please?
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Mar 26, 2002 8:43:34 PM CST
Wise Fools In Ivory Towers, Stop Your Clamor! Listen to the Hum
by jollydwarf
I've really noticed lately how utterly hopeless the attitude of the average poster is and how everyone marches into these TBs with an agenda. I would pay cold, hard currency to see a talkbacker Battle Arena scene, live! People running around with their User IDs in bold print on white signs hung around their necks (or the bottom couple chins), looking for those with the IDs of those that they crossed cyberpaths with time and time again. For a little payback. And the fact that this post is at least a few droplets of fuel on the fire is not lost on me. I tell you what. Let's hit the reset button and decide that the next Episode II article will be a "Post-Out". Or another major film, I don't care. Imagine a Talkback with NO POSTS. C'mon, we can do it. Let me know what you think. (I can't wait...right...) AND JANUARY? Is this a sign of "Daredevil"'s imminent shittiness or the industry staggering releases as there's now enough high concept, big budget projects to go around for every month? Even if they want to dominate January, there has to be a reason why no one has done that manuever before (at least to my recollection). POST-OUT! POST-OUT!! POST-OUT!!!
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I had a guranteed job on 'Daredevil' as P.A. here in Vancouver until Ben Affleck said because he's too afraid to fly so they moved photography to LA even after all the sets were built which meant they'd be destroyed. Fucking guy thinks it's fun to fly Mach 12 on a spaceship and land on a moving asteroid but when it comes to flying first class three hours he goes paronoid. Still, I have mad respect for any talented actor who is in a Bruckheimer and Bay movie. Still, I would have liked to hit on Jenifer Garner.
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That I like. I think Ben is OK for Murdock/Daredevil just as long ashe can pull off BLIND without trying to do a "Keanu".
The only 2 bits I dont like: Jennifer Garner as Elektra, I always figured Elektra would be a woman in her late 20's-early 30's, not a felicity reject from the CIA. She just does't seem to fit, to young IMO, but then again... it's FOX and Marvel, the did the same with Storm and Cyclops.
Michael Clarke Duncan is a great guy, but... Wilson Fisk is a huge, OBESE guy, and WHITE! Wait, does he have that same dicease Michael Jackson has only, ass-backwards!? I DONT GET IT! Hell, shave harry bald and give him the part, he'd be more fitting than MCD! I think, John-Rhys Davies without a british accent and a bald head would be a better fit than MCD! -
Spunk Monkey, I agree with you to some degree. If the whole essence of the character was based on his race then I think that they shouldn't change the character. However, when I see Kingpin I don't see race involved. I see Kingpin as a big badass, black or white. I think the casting of Kingpin will be okay as long as they keep the essence of the character and as long they don't change it because they cast a black actor. I wouldn't mind if they cast a white actor for blade or even a black actor for Daredevil, just as long as they keep the essence of the character in tact.
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Hollywood makes bad casting decisions all the time. Case in point- when it was announced Michael Keaton (!) would play Batman. But that one sure turned out a heck of a lot better than most people thought it would. Maybe Ben Affleck will surprise all of you and, when he drops out of "Daredevil III" in a few years, everyone will whine and moan about that. "How could they even think of making a Daredevil film without Ben? He was great!" And then they will hire George Clooney...
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Another piece of shit casting job,just like scooby doo.When will film makers relize that casting is almost everything to a movie.Well 3rd next to characters and story.I mean ben affleck looks like DD as much as MCD looks like the kingpin in the comics.It doesnt work.I really dont have Any respect for any of those assholes making this film,its just another marketing scamm to throw out yet another comic character to have a franchise to make the studios more money.I hope this film sucks worse then the punisher and the F4 early 90's films did.Hell at least F4 had a good choice of actors who actually looked the parts.Once again i wouldnt even see this movie for free.
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I am scared of this film. I am not SO worried about Ben A. playing Daredevil as I am about Ben A. playing Matt Murdock, a blind lawyer. I think Affleck IS a good actor but makes HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE decisions. But hell, he wrote "Good WIll Hunting" which was pretty amazing.
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Whoops, posted too soon. Anyway, Garner will make a GREAT Elecktra because she can ACT and because she can look Greek, no problem. Playing different people is what acting is.
Anyway....the whole film will rest on Mark Steven Johnson's shoulders and if he is up to the task, it will be a good film. Then, it will make some money like some January movies do - including a few THIS year. He stated in an interview that L.A. does a great Hell's Kitchen with its brownstones, store fronts and narrow streets. I haven't been any part of L.A. like that, but I have been to Hell's Kitchen, and that sounds just about right. Duncan will also be fine since he also can act. SOME roles need to be ethnic but Kingpin doesn't. If he is played as a smart, ruthless, powerful crime lord, he will not be a racial stereotype. I say we just wait and see. One look at the costume will tell us a LOT. Sexy Beast is a fun flick to watch. -
Just for the record (OverMuch), Kingpin never was fat. It was all muscle. Read the comics.
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Mar 27, 2002 12:05:35 AM CST
"...an A-list actor like Affleck would lower himself..."
by wino-forever
That's a fucking stitch.
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Mar 27, 2002 12:13:28 AM CST
D'OH! No wonder I thought he was a better choice than MCD.
by iroquois_pliskin
Yeah, he DID play Kingpin... but that WAS the horribly out-of-character kingping which looked nothing like the comic book ver. and they also had that DD in black spandex... ugh, were they going for a modern look or just... craptastic? I still think Elektra sould look more like a gypsy, veloptous, not... bony. Jennifer Garner looks FRAGILE and Alias isn't gonna make her look any differet, she'll still be bony and fragile. BTW, my comment about Kingpin and his "mass", I know it's muscle, but it DOES look like he's 400-500 pounds overweight and all of it is just french fries and hamburgers or any fatty foods.
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I'm sorry but are you on crack...Look lets face some economic reality here: 1. In NYC you get FREE (Yes Thats right) FREE police and fire protection.
2. Union members willing to work for scale unlike in in LA where they have "The PA on six string samuri got so pay me more." attitude. 3. Business in NYC are hurting something aful so they would welcome you where in LA they jut rip you off... 4. They orginally planned on shooting this film in Vancover B.C. (A city that looks like NYC more than LA buy the way) which can shave your production costs by 40% or more...So instead whiny boy affleck bityched on how he wanted to be in LA. So thus you can erase all profitably on this film...Yes fanboys you have a right to worry...Cause Fox is worried too. The January release date is a big indication of this... -
More important than Fox breaking even with Affleck closing off Van shooting was Viper missing a P.A. gig, yes I am probably the only one in this talkback affected by this considering it would get me money and get my needed union days. He should have swallowed his fear and thought of the people hired for it. Geez Ben, too many 'Bounce' watchings for you.
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I know this because the casting is all wrong. *sigh* 10-15 years ago I would dream of a day when Hollywood would make decent comic book adaptions. Now the time has come where a comic hero movie is made like every 6 months, they are churning them out like butter. They only work with the right people behind them, and those right people are ones that care about the comic, the character, the world within the comic... but those people are almost never there. The studios just slap together people like they were making burritos and let it fly. Is anyone attached to this a big fan of Daredevil? Are they making everyone take home a stack of comics to read or are they going to make it up as they go along? F*ck. And they are probably going to slap together a Top 40 nu-metal/eletronic band soundtrack too. Argh... oh well, at least it's just Daredevil, he wasn't one of my faves anyways, but damnit if it couldn't of started out the gate a lot better.
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My enthusiasm for this movie just grew even greater! Joey is the man. Matrix and now DD! The casting for DD has been the best for any comic book movie so far!
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'nuf said.
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Just to answer your question. Go to www.manwithoutfear.com and read the interview with Mark Steven Johnson, the writer and director of DD. It'll answer many questions posted in this TB forum.
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Mar 27, 2002 1:33:11 AM CST
I hope they pull it off. I've been waiting a long time for
by johnny storm
As long as the script is as good as everyone says it is, it should do great. It's all about the story. Hope they finally figured that out!
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Mar 27, 2002 2:26:19 AM CST
Lawyers around the world are hoping this movie will show that th
by hung-wei lo
I'm sorry, I loved reading comics as a kid, and even had one obscure worthless issue of Daredevil. I love the character, and he makes a great superhero for the comics world. But as soon as you try and mold him into a real, live-action character, it just doesn't seem believable or even exciting anymore. In fact, with this less than stellar cast, I have a bad feeling about this one. Maybe it was just Rex Smith in that gawd-awful Hulk tv special that spoiled it for me. I have absolutely no interest in seeing this, and after Spider-man & X-Men wear thin the comic-book movie genre, this movie will go the way of all the other crappy superhero movies. Anybody remember when Batman started the whole "let's make THIS hero for our next franchise!"?? Hmm, trashy superhero movies come to mind like Captain America, FF4, The Shadow, The Phantom, Steel, Judge Dredd, Blankman, Meteor Man, and my personal favorite: The Postman. Okay, that last one wasn't a superhero, but he tried to be.
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Alright... Ben Affleck does suck, but he might be able to pull this one off. and honestly he is my only concern about the cast, Joe Pantalone was made to be a reporter, think about it cant you just see any of his characters running around trying to find the story that will make his career? Duncan as the Kingpin is perfect, if I do recal correctly, the kinpin is supposed to be the ultimate bad ass, a guy who rose to the top because he can take care of himself, not some fat f*ck who sits at a desk and tells people what to do. Elektra is a ninja, and should be able to move swiftly and gracefully, I think ms. garner has shown that she is capable of doing just that. as for the rest of the cast I dont know much about them, but aside from affleck, it seems that this film has been well cast. Now as long as theirs a good script and a director who knows how to suck an audience into the action, this movie should kick some hardcore ass. My only concern is the rushed production, X-Men had the same rushed production and it suffered because of it, it didnt suck, but it deffinatly had a boat load of missed potential. What matters is that the characters are faithfully brought to life on the screen, and that doesnt mean casting people that look the part... I say that its fine to sacrafice apearances if the actor that is picked to portray the character can do a good job acting.
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what I do not get is why duncan?
I hate it when they have the actors not look like the comic book guys.halle berry is not tall like her comic book counterpart.
At least look for a fat white man.
I think this movie will fail for two reasons. The first is DD is not as popular as spiderman and Xmen. Steel with shaq is a great example. the second is that the casting of Kingpin and Daredevil sucks.Maybe they will put duncan in a white fat suit. I think they should just see if spiderman is a hit and then if it is make a sequel based on the symbote story were spiderman gets new suit and Venom. maybe make a buddy picture with spiderman.Man jay and silent bob strike back hit it right on the nail -
Mar 27, 2002 6:42:02 AM CST
well as long as they get the costumes right,give garner a push u
by jon-e-blaze
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Now it has been a while since I have seen the movie, but I don't recall seeing MCD in Friday. The only guy I remeber that could have been him was Zeus. And if anyone mistakes Zeus for MCD they should be shot. At least MCD was nominated for a little gold guy.
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but I am almost offended so many of you take offence to Kingpin being Black. There are like 3 good Black characters in Comics, and Wesley Snipes is 2 of em (if he makes the Black Panther flick). I guess what I am sayin is that if I have to see another movie where everyone is white and the only Blacks are street thugs or characters who die during the damn opeing credits, I will fuckin go postal. Kingpon is a powerful, rich, smart character. Powerful, rich, smart Black people DO exist, and the race of the Kingpin was never an issue in the comics - so it should not be an issue here. Were you guys also pissed that Burton used Billie D Williams in Batman? Now whether Afflect will suck or not is questionable - but we all also thought Keaton would suck, and he was by far the best Batman.
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Yes MCD was in Friday, but he didn't have a speaking part as I recall, and the part was small. I'm going to look at the DVD later to see the exact scene he's in. Amazing Larry, well I hate to say it, but you're wrong, again MCD was in Friday, and no he's not to be confused with Zeus Tiny Lester who played DeeBo.
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Johnson already stated in an iterview that the only difference between Fisk in the comic, and the Fisk in the movie is that he's Black. Fisk WILL NOT be portrayed as a gansta version, hiphop version, or any other racial black sterotype, he will be like he is in the comic except he's going to be black. Contrary to popular belief, and thanks to F#CKING HOLLYWOOD not all black guys speak in ebonics, and act gansta, or hiphop, or thuggish.
Johnson also said that he searched for a white actor that could fit the bill, and it wasn't as easy as you may think. He said the Affleck is 6;3, and he needed someone believable that could act, but at the same time was imposing, and you could believe that he could kick DD ass, and he didn't want to use FX to make an actor bigger, and also they don't have a huge budget in the first place. -
Basement dwelling virgins.. hee hee hee. Bitch bitch bitch bitch BITCH! There's humor and then there's BITCHING! You obviously can't tell the difference if you think all these whining talk-backs are funny. If you're trying to "break into the biz" please stay away from comedies as you have no concept of humor or irony. Of course, you might get a job on the next Freddie Prinze Jr. comedic romp with your biting wit, fool.
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Mar 27, 2002 11:33:06 AM CST
The big letdown in Daredevil's cast is the role of Bullseye,
by spanishpantlones
If Vin Deisel had accepted the role of Bullseye this could have really been a memorable film. I think he's the most important character after Daredevil.I don't see Collin Farrel scaring the shit out of anybody the way Vin Diesel would have. There is no reason to really care about The kingpin's race. I'm skeptical about Affleck; I think Thomas Jane of Boogie Nights/Deep Blue sea would have been a good choice-he's has the look and machismo and can act but what's done is done so there's no point in crying about it now. Anyway, it is a comic book movie-this genre has always produced letdowns so if this sucks that would be par for the course for hollywood. I really want this to be good-I own the original issues of Daredevil in which this film's storyline is going to be based. It's was a very compelling saga and certainly one of the best eras in DD's history. I have not read comics since the '80's but DD remains my favorite comic book ever for it's mature storylines-If the film follows the saga faithfully, this movie could be decent.***
I'm glad it opens in January; I'm tired of the early year film drought and having to wait until march to see a worthwhile movie. Titanic did gross most of it's money in Jan-Feb. I wish the studio's would remember that and release some good shit.***
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fer chrissakes just look at the cast!
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Mar 27, 2002 12:55:50 PM CST
The fact that you BELIEVE everything you read in interviews show
by superhero
Yeah, you probably believe that Sharon Stone didn't know that they were getting the crotch shot in Basic Instinct. Oh, and I never said that Kingpin SHOULD be talking in ebonics or be gangstered out but that's what Hollywood would most likely do: Play Kingpin up for a stereotype. Which, you know, considering Hollywood's track record isn't too hard to believe. I hope Kingpin isn't, for lack of a better term, "ghettoized" but it's not like my lack of faith in Hollywood has no basis. I mean, come on, if Hollywood took black actors seriously would it have taken 74 years for a black woman to win an Academy award? And we all know that the reason that didn't happen until now isn't because there aren't people of color who have LOADS of talent. It's because Hollywood is a racist community and embraces the EASY, SIMPLISTIC views it has of people of other races. Of course, if people of other races other than white/cuacasian would pour money into good scripts and entertainment projects then maybe there'd be more out there for people to embrace other than ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMINS. Jeez, I mean when movies like HOUSE OF SPIRITS get made and there's only one person in there that actually has some sort of Latin backround something's SERIOUSLY wrong. And I don't mean skin color either 'cause that's just as much a stereotype as anything else, that all latin people have darker skin. I'm half Latin myself and I'm almost anglo looking as are many of the people from that side of the family. Oh, and YES I'd be SERIOUSLY pissed if Blade was played by a white guy. I mean that'd be absolutely ridiculous. Would anyone want a white guy playing SHAFT in some sort of re-make? I don't think so. Not to mention that black, latin, asian, and other races shouls go support good films that speak to their culture/backround...but I guess that's a conversation for another time.
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according to mark steven johnson, kingpin will be portrayed faithfully to the comic (i.e. no word em ups)
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My "breaking into the biz" comment was sarcasm, you dolt. And if you are going to accuse someone of not having a sense of humor, please follow it with something more witty than your Freddy Prinze comment. Yeah yeah, Freddy Prinze sucks, ha ha thats a new one. Clearly you know humor. What is this, your first day?
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I mean, is it me, or does it seem like every scene Garner is in on 'alias' her eyes are all watery and glossed over like she's just going to burst into tears. That's why I don't watch the show, I just don't accept her as a secret agent. She seems too... meek. But hopefully she can pull off Elektra better.
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Mar 27, 2002 2:29:22 PM CST
What I'd like a picture of is Affleck throwing up in a corne
by fatal discharge
I can't believe these pathetic losers like Charlie Sheen and Robert Downey Jr. are still being given jobs. But, I guess Affleck can feel secure that he'll still have a career too.
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This does not instill one with the sense that the studio has confidence in the product. I don't see why. All the potential is there sure enough. I can still recall all the X-Men naysaying, so with that in mind, my wait n' see attitude remains intact.
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Mar 27, 2002 3:05:48 PM CST
Wow, Suchahugefan, you're so well spoken...so three Oscars a
by superhero
And you're telling me to get off my parents computer? With each post you put up you're making yourself look like a bigger moron than you already are. Really, go get laid or something 'cause you really need something to help you with that pent up frustration. Your immature, non-thought out responses aren't helping your argument at all. If you think that just because Ms. Berry and Mr. Washington won Oscars this weekend after about 74 years of not getting one at all and 40 years between wins for best actor that it's making it equal footing for people of color in Hollywood you are one NAIVE little sad sack my friend. Sure, some doors will be opened but let's see how long before we get another one of those awards for people of color. And what I don't get about your posts is that you seem to think that I have something against black actors which I have REPEATEDLY stated I don't. I do have a problem with how Hollywood regards them though for the most part. If your reading comprehension was as good as your ability to toss mindless insults maybe you'd have gotten that. Think before you post. You'll look like less of an idiot if you do...
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Mar 27, 2002 3:37:06 PM CST
If It's A Good Script, Then It That Much Nearer To Being A G
by the night raven
Ben Affleck as Daredevil - not my first choice, but I'll wait to see the teaser trailer later this summer before dismissing him. Michael Clarke Duncan as The Kingpin - not my first choice, for obvious reasons, but it could work. He has the right physical presence and the acting chops to do something interesting with the role. Colin Farrell as Bullseye...has anyone seen him play a sociopath yet? Nah, didn't think so. Ever seen Robert Carlyle's Begbie in Trainspotting? Little fella plays big psychotic. Farrell's an actor, and the camera does lie.
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Let me clear up a statement I made yesterday.
The Kingpin is a big, muscled badass. Who can play a big, muscled badass? MCD is a perfect choice to do so and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt till I see the movie.
But let's not kid ourselves into saying that race was never an issue as far as the character is concerned. Race is just as important to a character as their sex is. It is a defining characteristic that is intregal to the character. By changing the race you have changed the character. I would have the same problem with casting if they made the Kingpin asian, mexican, indian, or american indian. -
Head-to-body proportion-wise, he's perfect!!!
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Kingpin will know be played by (the obese) Al Roker.
Daredevil will be played by (the red-headed) Carrot-top.
Elecktra will be played (the Greek) Jenifer Aniston
Bullseye will be played by (the tall) Jeff Goldblum.
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But DAREDEVIL should come out of this mire smelling like a geranium.
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I, for one, wasn't pissed when the cast Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent in "Batman". I was pissed though when they made Tommy Lee Jones into Two-Face instead of Billy Dee Williams. A real cop-out!
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Prodigy6 there are a lot of super hero and super villians that are black.Prowler,Steel,Spike,Storm,
green lanturn john stewart,and Bishop. If this was the other way around like if bishop was played
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I agree with your post, and I never said that you said any of those things. I wasn't saying that Hollywood would never change the character to portray him as a ghetto version, because I know their track record regarding minorities. I wasn't taking Johnson's comments as faith, but I'm going to put a little trust in him, because of the interview. Now rather or not it sticks, I can't say. I also read an interview about MCD, and he said that he doesn't take over the top sterotypical roles that dipct blacks in a negative manner, so in other words I don't think we have to worry about seeing him break out rapping in the movie. To be honest why would you be upset over blade being white? Like Kingpin, Blade is not defined by race, so a white person can play, but I think the reason blacks would be up in arms is that Hollywood movies are mostly white already. I wouldn't b!tch about it, but I would rather see the character remain closet to the comic, and I've said the same thing about changing Fisk to black, but i'ts not the end of the world to me, and I'm not going to go overboard, and start making racial comments like some here has done. A character like the Black Panther is defined by race, so he has to reamin black.
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"They never say Mallrats anything" hahahaha. I think I'll listen to the rats commentary track. Affleck is da bomb in that one. "I turned that potty mouth into Oscar Gold!!!"
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to believe that just because Kingpin will be played by a black man he will be "gangsta " and "ghettoized" and would not be believable as a top mob boss. Because all black men buy into that attitude right? Let me tell you a story. From 1929 - 1968 a man named Ellsworth Johnson was a top mob boss. He spoke properly , was well educated and cultured, had ties to the Italian Mafia, and was one of Manhattan's top criminals for years. Just like Kingpin, huh? Oh and he was black, kinda like Micheal Clark Duncan. So look at history before doubting a blak man in certain roles in cociety. " Oh im not racist I just dont see a large black man being rich AND intelligent AND respected."
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Mar 28, 2002 4:59:22 PM CST
Oh, and "Blankman" was funny shit, fuck all who say otherwise.
by virgil sollozzo
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...then I say cast a black actor as Tony Stark. Shit, brother's in a metal suit half the time anyways! Kidding, kidding...eh... No, seriously, I would really be pumped if the right script presented itself and they got a guy like Wesley or Denzel who could portray a somewhat self-absorbed, somewhat fiscally-motivated superhero. Actually, it's a very viable option, half because a lot of potential white actors are already assosciated with other franchises. Yeah, Denzel Washington would be HUGE in this project. I just want to see lots of metal being turned into scrap. And no cheesy Avenger cameos! P.S. Rom Spaceknight is a very minable concept, as long as your make his race either non-human or the ancient ancestors of humanity. And then you could have Beetlejuice from Stern as a wraith. "Me? I fuck up the whole planet in like thirty hour two times, dude."
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Wow..!!! Ben Affleck was very very famous in Thailand for his performance in Pearl Harbor. Oh.! I loved it. Pearl Harbor won Favorite Movies 2001 in my country cool..!!so voted by Ben's fans ton of fans.
DAREDEVIL, Ben's new movie ...cool!...cool..!!!cool..!! I'll wait wait & wait DAREDEVIL cause in love with Ben soooooooooooo much.! -
ebonic_plague said:
"If they're not going to make a movie that does justice to the source material (regardless of the "literary pedigree" of that source material), then make a different fucking movie, and don't ruin a viable, interesting fictional property by the association."
I couldn't agree with you more! There's soo many stories that I'd love to see on the big screen, but will never make it because the authors/copyright holders don't want to risk La-LaWood butchering the job.
I'd rather a small-medium film with a no-name cast that tried to faithfully present the material than a blockbuster A-list where the only thing from the source that makes it onscreen is the title. -
Under the ID Cabron. A while back someone brought up the point that this individual pops up in all Favreau related topics. At first I thought this was bullshit since everyone was talking trash about studio plants and such and decided to do some digging myself, and checked out a bunh of topics for MADE, SWINGERS and such and as sure as anything Cabron was there heaping the praises. Another odd thing is that I've never seen him is a non Favreau related forum...I just thought it was odd. Maybe I'm wrong but feel free to check for yourselves
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Apr 10, 2002 8:31:45 PM CDT
What I hate most are stupid ass comic fanatics that want everyth
by steal_dragon
Who cares if Kingpin is going to be black, god, what would you racists do if they got Cuba Gooding Jr. as Daredevil, you would probably picket. Get the bugs out of you asses and just be glad they are making a Daredevil movie you dumb bigots.
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