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John Hammond gives the clearest look at the ATTACK OF THE CLONES footage shown at ShoWest!!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
Hey folks, Harry here... This is the best look at the footage shown at ShoWest the other day. John Hammond, being a bit of a showman himself, knows the value of paying a keen bit of attention to the workings of the film... specifically one as potentially popular as the next chapter in the Star Wars saga. I have to say, this stuff sounds cool, though the Yoda thing sounds a bit weird. BEWARE OF SPOILERS, there are a few below. And enjoy....
Harry,
I was there at Les Theatre Des Arts in Las Vegas to see the McCallum speech
and witness the incredible Episode II footage and trailer. I love Lucasfilm.
They made a big announcement that there would be no cell phones or
photographic equipment of any kind allowed. I felt pretty special.
First off, I agree with the others. The footage looked fantastic -
definitely more moody and atmospheric than the first episode. As McCallum
himself put it: "Every one of you [theatres] that gets this movie is going
to make a SHITLOAD of money."
The ten minutes of footage they showed was amazing; it was meant to show off
the digital technology and it worked well. Some random bits of juicy gooey
joy:
Three Sandcrawlers at dusk looking gorgeous and immense,
a great shot of Obi-Wan checking out the massive workforce of clone boys,
the whole style of Coruscant's underworld (think Gotham City from Batman
Forever but done just right - holograms, neon, weird symbols and dark
lighting - YUM!),
a COOL scene that looked like it was out of one of the Super NES Star Wars
video games with Ani and Ami dodging massive stamping machines on a conveyor
belt while Ani slashes away at bad flying reptiles with his lightsabre
And there were TONS of beautiful shots of Coruscant and the water city
(Geonesis??) and the torturous waves hitting it.
The footage was immense. Great. Splendiferous. Neato.
And McCallum showed off how digital images could be blown up to 300%. Yawn.
(Except for Ami in the dominatrix outfit. That was A-OK)
The big thing was the trailer. God, I loved it. It made me sit up and yell,
"You go, Lucas! You remembered to add the fun and thrills this time!!!"
Here are my favorite SPOLIER-STREWN bits (and if you don't believe that I saw
it, watch it yourself on the 10th and see):
Palpatine throwing his arm around Ani and saying, "I see you becoming the
greatest of them all."
The revelation that Obi-Wan hates to fly!
He and Ani are in a craft chasing an enemy through the Fifth Element-looking
Coruscant skies, dodging other craft. Ani says, "Sorry, Master. I know you
hate to fly." Then Ani just stops the craft. Obi-Wan says, "Great, you've
lost them." Ani gets up and says, "I'll be right back." He then jumps over
the edge of the craft, free-falling downward. Obi-Wan leans over and says,
"I hate when he does that."
Later, while being chased by Slave I, Obi-Wan states, "This is why I hate to
fly."
There were tons of other little things. Yoda floating down a hallway and
later arnessing blue lightning in his right hand (which lloked a little
cheesy).
Some random Yoda lines from the trailer"
"The dark side clouds everything." and "Begun these Clone Wars have."
My head is still buzzing. McCallum says there are 500 effects shots left to
finish before May 16th. I for one can't wait.
Later!
John Hammond
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All trailers so far have made this film pretty lame...
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Mar 07, 2002 4:18:25 AM CST
Jar-Jar is NOT gay or a racist!!!!!... he is simply retarded.
by psyclops
You must not hate the mentally handicapped for it is no fault of their own that God has cursed them with a simple mind. Jar-Jar just needs some patience and understanding... and here at THE CENTER FOR MENTALLY DEPRIVED GUNGANS & RETARDED SPACE MONGROIDS we strive to teach these poor underprivelaged aliens that they too are "special" and that with a little love, compassion and heavy doses of anti-depressants, we can all make this world a better place to live. Make love... not intergalactic clone war.
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I was going to try and go into this movie spoiler-free, and was succeeding until some thoughtless fuck-stick casually wrote the words 'sith rape' in the subject bar of a previous article's talkback, thus clearly giving away THE ABSOLUTE BIGGEST, MOST SIGNIFICANT PLOT TWIST OF THE ENTIRE FUCKING STAR WARS SERIES!!!!!! And I know you know who you are, you c**t!
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Mar 07, 2002 4:31:11 AM CST
WHY ARE WE FALLING FOR THIS AGAIN?! I payed $500 to go to the Ep
by chuckrussel
yup.
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"make a SHITLOAD of money"---at least no ones pretending its actually about making good movies any more. this kind of honesty i can deal with, though it does make me sad. everythings bottom dollar now, huh? i'm no star wars hater, so don't gimme that shit. i just hate being disappointed. and i was disappointed by Phantom Menace. so far, the trailers do not interest me. i'll see it, but with low expectations.
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No, not the uber-God Keith David, but the other one - the white one. OK, I guess. But like everyone else in the rational world I wanted Mickey Rourke in the role.
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I can understand that somebody paid 500 dollars to be at the preiere of TPM ( you didn't watch the trailers probably) hopefully nobody will make the same mistake.
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The scene that looks like it's from a computer game?? Thats probably the only reason that it's in the film so that Lucas Arts can make the computer game and gain more dollar!!! Rik McCallum "This is gonna make shit loads of money!" Shit, I have a really really bad feeling about this and I'm beginning to wish they just left the original trilogy alone. I hope, I hope with all my heart this film turns out to be good, God what I would do for a film on par with the originals. Here's hoping.
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Woohoo! The rabid Star Wars nuts who can only have room in their hearts for one series of films or one film per year period have found some target other than Lord of the Rings! God help the Spider-Man fans, and my best wishes to all that get involved in nasty talkback wars over the next couple months.
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... yes, he's an ass-kissing yes-man. And I do hate the motherfucker as well. I wish I was one of Lucas' daughters (well, not as ugly, but one of them nonetheless). Then I would tell him that what he's thinking up is shit. Be the backbone that tries to save Star Wars, since Lucas divorced the last person that tried to tell him how to make a good movie.
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I'm dissapointed he's not a central character any more. From the sounds of this trailer the humour is quite subtle. Bring back the visual comedy! Fart jokes, poop jokes, I want 'em all. Oh and I prefer my acting wooden if poss.
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You know what I like about Lucasfilm,
they aren't as influenced by trends as much as others. There's a disturbing fashion at the moment to go for extreem grading. So many TV commercials, & now movies, push the contrast levels so the tones & colours get crunched to the point where detail is lost in the shadow & highlite areas. This is a critisism that I have with Lord of the Rings, there's that trendy grading in some shots, most notably the Rivendel & exit from Moria scenes. It looks like a black & white print that's been tinted with colour, far too contasted & all 'trendied up'. This look will date it in years to come. The Star Wars movies however all have a look of their own, beutifully rich tones & colours, less grain than most film. Epsiode three made in 1977 still looks remarkably fresh today, the Phantom Menace looks lovely, so rich & detailed. Now digital filming looks to get even better, niiice. -
Oh, I'll go see it. But then again, I went to Queen of the Damned. I see movies, that's it. But these tidbits are not raising my hopes. Dodging stomping machinery? Remember Galaxy Quest? -- "Why does the spaceship have this stupid deathtrap. I always hated this episode!" Cheesy looking blue lightning. "This is why I hate to fly" and "I hate it when he does that" -- textbook filler 'funny lines'. Right up there with 'now you tell me...' and 'I'm getting too old for this'. Not encouraging.
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Ani and Ami. Hahahaha. Ani and Ami. God save us all if someone actually calls her "Ami" during the film." Kill me now please.
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Mar 07, 2002 6:24:22 AM CST
"Every one of you [theatres] that gets this movie is going to ma
by cody_jarrett
oh well, as long as the cinemas make money that's ok then.
Sure, we are all going to cough up and see this movie, of course it's going to make a shitload of money, but we will be going twice, thrice or more?
And will we be wanting the merchandise this time? there seems to be no cool maul character to give the film a real identity.
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You. .PattyOGreen....loser.
first...this...
>>... yes, he's an ass-kissing yes-man. And I do hate the motherfucker as well. I wish I was one of Lucas' daughters (well, not as ugly, but one of them nonetheless). Then I would tell him that what he's thinking up is shit. Be the backbone that tries to save Star Wars, since Lucas divorced the last person that tried to tell him how to make a good movie.>Woohoo! The rabid Star Wars nuts who can only have room in their hearts for one series of films or one film per year period have found some target other than Lord of the Rings! God help the Spider-Man fans, and my best wishes to all that get involved in nasty talkback wars over the next couple months<<
That's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it? You want to bash Lucas and McCallum, fine go ahead. But the kids? That's low. That's childish. That's stupid.
You want to talk about targets? Live by example. Think about that next time.
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leave GL's daughters alone, you bastards. Yoda has some goofy lines, it seems. 'Begun, these clone wars have'? I personally think this will be a GREAT film. Acceptable acting and plot, with GREAT visual storytelling, so imaginative, wonderous...forget it. Anyway, McCallum is great, he's the iconic Hollywood shyster, like the guy in LOTR who works with the King but secretly is in with Sauron. He critisized TPM directly to GL as you can see on the DVD doc. and I'm very impressed with him for that. I think he and GL both know what we wanted as fans, and I think we'll have it.
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Ewan McGregor is a cool actor, please let AOTC be good. After TPM and the film even his great singing couldn't save, Moulin Rouge, I don't think I could handle a third piece of crap. I hate it when cool actors do shit things. "This is why I hate flying." Oh my God. I have a bad feeling about this. I hope Tobey can cut it as Spiderman. Please let AOTC be good.
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Last nite I bashed some SW fanboy who lamented aboot my LotR action figures sticking outta my backpack (Frodo Schmodo nanananaaaa). This fucker has a real prob now ... he won't be able to stick his minipenis up his cuddly cute Yoda teddy anymore ... cause he has no penis any longer *spits out* muahahahahaaa. I HATE STAR WARS. It's boring and the fans suck.
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Why didn't they just go the total whore route and have Yoda come out and announce, "A shitload of money it will make, yes."A bad feeling about this I have.
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All the Star Wars movies were rated PG...what's your point?
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Mar 07, 2002 8:42:02 AM CST
Lucas isn't making these movies to make a bunch of 29 yr old
by andy travis
You don't like it, don't watch it. I can take constructive criticism about Episode 1, it's just that there's so little of it out there. Bitching and moaning like spoiled brats is all I ever read here. It's nothing new. When Jedi came out people were complaining about Vader saving Luke at the end. Jeez...what do you want? The fact that sites like AICN are having some influence over Hollywood is tragic in my opinion...Sure, Hollywood is grinding out sludge (always has), but I can stomach corporate shills much better than I can jaded fanboys.
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Quit your complaining. If you aren't excited, who cares. Also, why waste your time hating somebody when it has no effect on the person you hate. Further, McCallum was talking to theatre owners, what do you think they want to hear? Also, maybe he said it will make a shitload of money because it is so good that people will want to see it again and again. If you aren't excited to see this film, go away. I can't wait to see it! I also loved LOTR and am looking forward to seeing Spiderman. Why all the hate? Go be entertained!
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Saying that Star Wars movies are likely to make a lot of money is like shooting fish in a barrel. Considering that Star Wars has consistently ranked high in the BO grosses, I think its not an inaccurate or inappropriate thing to say, especially when it's the Producer (the guy who hires the people and works out the deals and the budgeting) who says it, to theatre owners, who aren't there to listen to what a fantastic artistic achievement it is.
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All those posts...and there has yet to be a mention of "Ami" in the dominatrix outfit? Shame on you all. I'm gonna go back to bed now and dream about being some leather pants for a while...
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Go look again. See him breathing above water? Now see him breathing under water? Amphibious. Also, he looks like a frog. And one more thing, he's not human. Again, more frog than anything. So he's not black, because he's not human. He's not Jamaican either, as there is no Jamaica (to my knowledge) on Naboo. By the way, he's fictional. So saying he's racist is like saying the Wizard of Oz is a closeted homosexual. There's no point in it because they DON'T FUCKING EXIST. Got that? Good, let's move on.
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I'm not saying that Jar-Jar is overtly racist. But Creature from the Black Lagoon (or Black Neighboorhood, as The Onion calls it) was, and you can use all of your arguments to argue against it: the monster wasn't black, he wasn't human etc. However, it was a clear and deliberate reference to black people invading white neighboorhoods in the 50s. Personally, I think we all know Jar-Jar wasn't deliberately racist, just poorly thought out and executed, and tasteless.
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No Slobro, it's not that I haven't been keeping up, it's I have a life than to worry about what Lucas decides to rate his movies. I'm a fan...but not big enough(or nerdy enough)to know he gets his epics certified to get away with the action violence he gets away with. Personally,I'd like to see next two prequels be PG-13, or even R. But if not, who cares. ESB was the darkest of em' all and it got its point across just fine with a PG rating.
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Or, behind the curtain at least. Though I suppose, technically, that isn't a closet. :~)
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Mar 07, 2002 10:27:38 AM CST
Punctuation check: please put invading in "" in my last post...
by bigw
As in "invading", as it is a reference to the language used by the real life Archie Bunkers of the time.
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Sounds like the old Lucas humor machine has been working overdrive.
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However, it was (supposedly) marketed to take advantage of the fears of white people over these mysterious black people who white people were coming into closer and closer contact with. Plus, the gillman does share very similar traits with the your "classic" minstrel show depictions of black people:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2084/creature.html
Watching the movie, you would obviously discover that the plot bears very little resemblance to the marketing: it is actually a very good, classic monster movie (well, not sequels, please, lets ignore those).
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I think we can probably flesh out some of the scenes from the last trailer. Anakin: "It's all Obi-wan's fault! He's holding me back!" Pause for two beats, as Anakin notices Padme's wince. Anakin: "He's standing right behind me, isn't he?" Cut to Obi-wan, arms folded, one eyebrow arched. Sound: cue laugh-track "guffaw" ....Oh hell, albeit with diminished expectations I STILL think this flick's gonna kick ass.
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Mar 07, 2002 11:05:39 AM CST
RE: Black Lagoon - OK, the more I think about it, the more out i
by bigw
...but hey, I think I'm allowed to be periodically. I honestly read some article about it years ago, when I was in University, doing a lot more drugs than I do today...that might explain a few things. Plus, didn't the monster come to the US and steal white women out of american small towns in one of the lesser sequels?
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The country that I saw SW had the movies rated PG. The local Mediaplay that I bought the SW DVD's are rated PG. Did I really miss something here? Or does your lofty knowledge on this rediculous subject convince you to see a big "U" printed on the movie posters & DVD cases. Please, I'd like to know how you do that? Because I'm well sure the unintelligent mass would like to have such an "expert" point it out to us. Like I said before(and I really mean it now) I'm not GEEKY enought to read up on these movie tidbits. Besides, I believe it's you who keeps checking for my feedback because you can't stand to have someone NOT aknowledge the brilliance of S-L-O-W B-R-O. But don't worry, I'll explain that to my wife when I get home from work. It is fulltime by the way.
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It's simple. I've posted this before and none of his bashers can retort to this, because they know I'm right and instead opt to cower in their little corners with their Frodo love dolls. Lucas matters because he's changed the way film is made and seen. For everyone who thinks he's about money (I can't believe people who don't understand McCallum's money comment. It's ShoWest! If you're in the film business, you know ShoWest is to sell your movie to exhibitors! What're you going to say? Enjoy the editing?), consider some of the other things Lucas has done over his career: championed student filmmakers at USC (I attended USC and without his generous contributions, we would still have been in shacks); produced movies for Jordan Belson, Kurosawa, Geoffrey Roggio, Francis Coppola; started the premiere effects house in the business, ILM, which still sets the standards for technical breakthrough; began Skywalker Sound; started the THX standard, which rescued moviegoers from the dark days of screens with low foot candles and tinny sound (remember those days, you thirtysomethings); and, now, shot the first major motion picture in 24p High Definition, which could save aspiring filmmakers the exorbitant cost of film without sacrificing the quality. Do you realize how this could liberate the art of filmmaking from the business of the studio powers? Have any of you ever fathomed what a breakthrough this could be? Aside from rants about "This sucks" or "That sucks", why aren't we discussing this last issue? Sure, Lucas has made errors along the way. Who hasn't? If his errors are more public and evident, then that's the price for not being able to please everyone. I remember a Time magazine article where the reviewer said that it was impossible for a Star Wars movie to please everyone because, by then, every fan had already written his own ending. There's truth to this. Hasn't the trilogy been so much a part of our lives that, in our own fantasies, have made our own movie and refused to accept the path chosen by anyone else, even its creator? That's one of the differences between SW and LOTR: Tolkien's books have been published for over 50 years, and the narrative is written in stone. While we know the ultimate ending of the new trilogy, getting there is still a mystery. If Lucas has chosen to get their a way that someone in Ohio hasn't, then there's going to be a very disappointed person in Ohio. It's not a profound statement, but something to remember among your bile. And perhaps a passing thought to the difference Lucas has made to the art and craft of filmmaking. I know as a filmmaker I appreciate it. In light of that, his occasional missteps in filmmaking can be forgiven when the whole measure of the man is taken.
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Dominatrix outfit!?!?!?! Hell, I'll pay just to see that. Too bad she probably ends up on the wrong end of a lightsaber in Ep. III. What a cutie! Anyways, what the hell is up with this woman's role choices over the past few years??? Anywhere But Here - Fine. She was great in that shitty little chick flick. But other than that, all her best character work came before she was 16! She was Oscar worthy in Leon and Beautiful Girls, she was great in Heat, but lately ... she was out of her element in the Woddy Allen flick, Where the Heart is was a horrible attempt at "quirkiness" that fell flat on its face, and she is given nothing to do in SW (so far) other that spout shitty dialogue and play back-up to some special effect. Seeing her in Dark Wonderland woulda been fucking great. Here's hoping Bride Wore Black (is that the name?) manages to showcase her incredible talent before she fades into the dark realm of second-tier romantic comedies and big-budget disasters. Ep. II definitely has potential, though! I'm keeping my fingers crossed ...
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and tuskens are an insult to Tuaregs, and the Cantina Band in episode IV another insult to people who plays the same musical instrument that plays Woody Allen, so is an insult to jews and...come on, guys, relax
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Mar 07, 2002 12:53:35 PM CST
Lucas an innovator? Sure, but that doesn't save a bad movie
by minderbinder
What, we're supposed to like his movies just because he gave a bunch of money to USC?
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"Where, Obi Wan?" "He was right out there! You have to believe me!" "I believe you! I believe you! But look, there's no one out there now." "He jumped away when you came." "Don't worry. I'll take care of this. You try to get some rest." "Rest. Okay...AHHHHH! Anakin! He's back and he's trying to damage our engines." "Obi Wan! Quiet! You're disturbing the other Jedi." "I'm telling you, there's a man on the wing! He's trying to destroy our engines!" "Hey, what are you doing with that lightsabre?"
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phantom menace is the best movie ever..and it will only be topped by episode 2 and 3.i am almost thirty.so what?
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If AOTC was a buffet, you'd probably eat the whole goddamn thing up and bitch because it wasn't like Mom used to make.
Why must you enter the theatre with 25-plus years of anylasis under your sweaty, strained belts?
It's SCIENCE FICTION! Jar-Jar is not real; he's a poorly executed caractature of more than one stereotype. Yoda is a Muppet; who gives a shit if they CGI his moves? There are no such thing as Jedi. Whether Obi-Wan is afraid of flying or not is a device to drive the film, not to emasculate him in any way or humanize him.
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Wacky back and forth between Han and empirial radio dispatcher goes haywire, Han says "Boring conversation anyway." We roll in the isles. Anakin jumps out of a spaceship and Obi Wan says, "I hate when he does that." We crap ourselves in rage. The only, only difference difference is that you're not five. Han had fuzzy dice in the Falcon and he would pull a Fonzie on it to get it going. Jar-Jar = Ewoks, "This is why I hate flying" = "Hey, it's me!" Whiney Luke = Whiney Anakin. These movies rock, but they were never "Good" movies. Just love them, stroke them...
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I cannot wait to see this on Sunday! It sounds amazing. Thank you for the report. LOL. I can't wait to see Ewan (always), but Ewan's Obi-Wan scared of flying -- how sweet is that? Oh, and of course, Master Yoda pissed off is going to be great.
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Mar 07, 2002 1:48:17 PM CST
This is a Star Wars TB, so naturally someone had to bring them u
by caine
1) The racist undertones of any movie (especially Jar Jar Binks from Star Wars) 2) Star Wars vs Lord of the Rings. *** I admit to being as bas as the rest of them, for I have allowed myself to get suckered into these pointless debates before. I have to wonder, though, what the web administrators here consider "Blatant abuse, personal attacks, OFF-TOPIC BS, cross-posting, blatant advertising, and hate speech" becuase that is what any Star Wars talkback turns into. Actually that is what ANY TB on this site turns into. What about comments from anyone else that was at ShoWest? Does anyone else have any information about this movie, or the newest preview (like when it will be available for free download on the web, what movies it will be attached to, etc)? The Phantom Menace made a great deal of money, that is not to be disputed. Was it a "good" movie? That is a subjective opinion, based entirely on the personal preferences of the viewer. Will the next one be good? That is also a subjective opinion, and the movie isn't even finished yet, anyway. Will it make boatloads of money? Who can say for certain? Based on the previous performance of the other four, plus the popularity of all the things associated with it (Star Wars was described in a Chicago Tribune article a few years ago as "the Holy Grail of marketing" or something like that) - It is very reasonable to say that it will indeed make a great deal of money, For George Lucas, ILM, 20th Century Fox, Skywalker Sound, etc. Hopefully going to the movie will justify the $6.50 I will spend on the ticket (even with a college ID).
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Mar 07, 2002 2:01:40 PM CST
Send In The Clones (my lame attempt at lyrical humor because I&#
by iamlegolas
Aren't they rich, aren't George and Rick a pair? Me jaded Star Wars fan, why should I care! (But it's Star Wars!) Send in the Clones! Didn't you see Phantom Menace? Don't you disapprove? George keeps dumbing his universe down, will Yoda now bust a move?
Where are the Clones?
(But, it's Star Wars!) Send in the Clones! Just when I stopped, loving Star Wars finally knowin' the one that I wanted was yours (George's), making my entrance again, with my usual flair
sure of my lines, but no one is there! Don't you love The Force?
A young George's fault I fear! George thought that you'd want what he wanted, is he sorry my dear! Quick, send in the Clones . . . Don't bother . . . they're here! Aren't Lucas and Co. rich, isn't Jar Jar queer? Is George losing he's timing this late in his career! Where are the Clones? There's gotta be Clones!
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Remember guys.... POKEMON THE MOVIE knocked the phantom menace off the no1 slot (well in the uk at least!).
Surely that makes you THINK!
This film WILL BE SHITE!No mistake!
OBI SCARED OF FLYING???? WHY WAS HE SO FUCKING QUIET IN EP 1 OR EP 4?????
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The Pokemon movie did NOT knock TPM off the No.1 slot at the box office in the UK. Considering Pokemon didn't open here til spring 2000, and TPM debuted July 1999. Sure, it made a heap of cash but it didn't stay tops at the BO for over 6 months... Whoever posted that really needs to do their research.
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1) U is a british rating (equivilent to G), PG is a rating used in both the States & the UK.
2) TPM was better than ROTJ. Jar Jar may "suck", but the Ewoks "sucked" more.
3) I agree with the guy who says if you're reading ths post, you'll be handing over your sweaty filmgeek dollars just like the rest of us. Face it, you want this.
4) I'm a Kiwi. LOTR "rocks". Why does that mean to some of you that "Star Wars" can't "rock" too? "Star Wars" may not be my absolute fav anymore (GIVE ME "BROTHERS VEGA"! MADSEN STILL WANTS TO DO IT! TRAVOLTA NEEDS TO BE REBORN AGAIN BY THE MASTER!) but I won't forget that if it were'nt for "Star Wars" (& early 80's Spielberg) I would'nt love movies as much as I do today.... -
Ok, in the U.S. the Star Wars films are rated PG. That is a given fact. However in the UK all of the films were awarded a U certificate, meaning suitable for all. TPM DVD however warranted a UK PG certificate due to some fruity language from Ewan McGregor and probably Rick McCallum, who seems to have a swearing problem just short of Colin Farrell and TPMSUCKED... The film disc still warranted a U. This of course is the UK. The US SW films needn't of been a PG, the MPAA awarded it a G (is that equivalent to a UK U?), but they upgraded it as it thought it might turn adults away. See the trivia section under IMDB entry...
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Just a thought, but if the AOTC DVD contains that R2-D2 spoof, the fact that R2's hometown is called Bollux, might just up that UK rating. Perhaps they could make the British version a bit more aggresive and violent then. I mean, Ewan McGregor hasn't got his cock out on film for a few years now... Also, no matter how cool these people say that squashing platform thing is, in my head it just looks crap. Although if someone loses their hat and has to reach back for it. I might raise a smile. Also they should have an Indy style joke where Sam Jackson comes across some secruity guards, swings his sword dramatically in front of them, one guard nonchalantly pulls his gun, shoots and Sam bats it away. Sorry, I'm really bored...
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Mar 07, 2002 4:03:43 PM CST
LOTR fans are just angry because Episode II has basically turned
by atticus finch
Sorry, but it has.
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I have read the talkbacks on Star Wars for years now And I can only come to one conclusion. We are all, without exception, myself included totally fucked up in the head!! Thats just my opinion but then again... I'm fucked up in the head. Are we? Discuss.
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Like all Lord of the Crap fans, you only read what you want to read and respond to what you want to respond to. I'm not going to reiterate my eloquent post. In this sea of idiotic YELLING (see, even I can use caps), my post actually opened a discussion of the relative merit of a filmmaker's career. And nobody can argue with its points because they know I'm right. When was the last time Peter Jackson helped out young filmmakers? When was the last time Peter Jackson championed film exhibition standards so audiences can have the best viewing experience possible? When was the last time Peter Jackson championed European directors who otherwise couldn't get their films made or distributed in the U.S.? When was the last time Peter Jackson tried to free filmmaking from the hands of the studios. And Lucas did all this before it was fashionable. Sure, he probably had selfish reasons for doing this. Nobody does anything and not expect personal gain. But it doesn't mitigate what he did. Does it make his movies great? No. Of course not. Great movies are a personal decision, not a hard fact. Hell, some people think Citizen Kane is bad. But to say, "Just because he gave money to USC doesn't mean I have to like his movie" shows the unmatched ignorance of Minderbinder. Nothing anyone does should make you like his/her movies if you don't like his/her movies. But you can't argue with what the man has achieved over the course of his career, and continues to strive for. Robert Redford is not the greatest film director or actor in the history of cinema; but his place in history is assured with the Sundance Institute and the ripples it continues to cause throughout film culture. You can argue with the man's work (that's subjective) but you can't argue with the man's achievements (that's fact). To try and link the two is stupid. In other words, it's Minderbinder squared.
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I thought those lame ass Trade Federation guys sounded like Japanese soldiers in some B-grade WWII movie from the 60s. Jar Jar isn't gay or Jamaican; he is every obnoxious character to ever appear in any movie ever; all rolled into one package. This movie better blow my socks off to make up for the last one. Maybe it's like the Star Trek movies; we get a good one every other movie.
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I thought those lame ass Trade Federation guys sounded like Japanese soldiers in some B-grade WWII movie from the 60s. Jar Jar isn't gay or Jamaican; he is every obnoxious character to ever appear in any movie ever; all rolled into one package. This movie better blow my socks off to make up for the last one. Maybe it's like the Star Trek movies; we get a good one every other movie.
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"Hello" "This is the kettle, you're black!" "Say hi to mom?" "Okay bye" Who are you, Miss Cloe?
Your calling me a geek. You're on a Talk Back page on a geek sight. What are you going to do when you don't have any more nerd websites to post on. Now who's calling the kettle...ah nevermind. -
Star Wars Fan, & LOTR fan am I, and I do live in PJ's home country. He personally arranged the refurbishment of the largest theatre in NZ, and got new 70mm projectors installed (& then arranged for a new 70mm print of 2001!). He has just become a member of NZ's order of merit (or something like that, NZ's equivelent to Knighthood) for his efforts in raising the profile of NZ film; he refuses to make his movies OUTSIDE NZ so our young film makers will get a chance on the international stage. No he doesnt do much for Yanks & Poms - he's too busy doing the best by his own people....
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AOTC will be fine. Spiderman will be fine. TTT will be fine. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? This bitching is almost incomprehesibly retarded. Nerds should stick together against common enemies, like jocks and whatnot. I really don't understand most of you. Oh, & back off the Creature! Its been tough enough on him without dime store psycho-anylization.
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He claims to HATE the new Star Wars movies but just can't stop talking about them. Hes trying to impress his geek friends and show what a "stick to your guns" tough kinda guy he is. Shit after this show of bravado hes a sure to be the dungeon master at this weekends D&D geekfest. Bravo and good job tool. You've done it again. I keep telling ya thou if Lucas hears you talking shit you won't be invited to the ranch. LOL! Fucken tool. Get...a....life!! Slow enough for you?
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I think talkbacks are funny, and even silly fansboys attacking each other and insulting each other is funny. Sometimes insulting Harry is a little funny - ie..his spelling or grammer. However, somebody insulting Lucas' daughter is way across the acceptable line. I am not all for moderating these boards, but all such posts ought to come off. Pathetic and even here, quite embarrasing. I lack the words, but even jerkwad losers ought to have the smallest degree of dignity.
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Your post about Lucas' acheivements was lovely. I think nobody responded because most people here can only insult, not respond. Further, Lucas has done a lot of things and it isn't easy to refute that. However, I do think you are missing the point. People here may not admit it, but they all have a soft spot for Lucas and all he has done. After all, if they first didn't love something they couldn't be so hurt by it. So people are posting negative Lucas stuff here because they like his story and universe a LOT more than they appreciate his sound system or his contributions to the effects in "The Abyss" or whatever. Nobody's point here (at least nobody with a single iota of reason) is that Lucas' contributions to film haven't been any good, just that he completely ruined his mythology with TPM and, to a small degree, ROTJ. People are stupid enough to attach Lucas the person and Lucas the director, but the only thing you can do for THOSE people is feel sorry for them.
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What does it take to shut this whole frickin' lame Star Wars vs. LOTR thing up? You guys make me nuts! LOTR and Star Wars are the best frickin' Sci Fi/Fantasy movies out there. There's no contest between the two of them and both Lucas and PJ would probably kick your collectives arses for making it such a big lame deal. Get a life and find something new complain about.
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Right - fucking - on. Sounds like Episode II will kick some ass. I was dissapointed with TPM. So I am glad to hear about this.---- For people who say,__ "a few years ago, ten minutes of TPM footage would of blown anyone away, so what the hell are you geeks getting excited about"___ If your one of these naysayers, get a reality check, there was hardly 10 minutes of footage good enough in TPM that it would have been worth showcasing. That's why they just showed a teaser at showwest last time.----- As for Atticus Finch, what the fuck is wrong with you. I've read your posts before and I know your not a troll. So I quess your just an idiot. How could any movie make The Two Towers a non-event. Besides the fact that AOTC won't even be in theaters when TTT opens; FOTR ruled. As far as a shit load of people are conserned, FOTR was the best blockbuster of all time. How could they not be excited by the sequel. It got 13 oscar noms. Don't be such a retard.
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Seriously. In one sentence you refer to "lord of the crap" then in the next refer to your own posts as "eloquent". Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're the same guy who claimed that people who enjoy LotR are geeks who live in their parent's basements while people who enjoy TPM are well adjusted folk who get laid on a regular basis? And you wonder why nothing you write is taken seriously? "you can argue with the man's work (that's subjective) but you can't argue with the man's achievements (that's fact)." Um...that's why I've only argued with the man's work. (and note that the complaints on this board are virtually all about the films, not Lucas's worth as a person) His philanthropy and innovation are great (although it's ridiculous to claim he's somehow "better" than PJ because of those things). But his *work* is what people on this thread are talking about. To bring up his "achievements" is merely a smokescreen to distract from any discussion of his lackluster filmmaking.
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No one's gonna give a rat's ass about your brilliant digital effects and explosions as long as you keep putting bland characters on the screen that we don't care about.
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Opinion overload. I am annoyed about the crappy comedy diolouge but I guess Lucas would be keeping it consistant. The original trilogy wasn't exactly comic genius stuff. Didn't Harrison Ford once say "You can type that shit, George, but you sure can't say it!" Also, Ranata, if I want a lecture on people's contributions to cinema and how that translates into deserving respect, I'll go to my Uni where I take Contemporary Cultural Studies or just a less hostile posting board. You seem very well read so I would advise you to get out or toughen up before these talkbacks currupt your mind. Most people here like talking about "This sucks" and "That sucks". It makes them happy. That's why the talk backs are full of arguments. My message about SW vs. LOTR: All of you are going to go see both even if only because it will give you something to argue about over christmas time. I can't wait: "Jackson rules, T2T kicked AOTC ass!!" "No way man, its homophobic and the CGI was shite. Lucas is the King!" "Shut up you stupid troll" "No, you shut up you homo"...and so on. Like I said, I can't wait! - note: I've said this before, they are BOTH going to rock! - Seriously, talk backs at this site are almost as (sometimes more) entertaining as the movies we all talk about. At least we're all letting our hostilities out in a pretty harmless way. Fairly harmless, I hope. My gripe: why is it whenever I go to SW TBs there is always someone(s) talking like Yoda? It's the same with LOTR and Gollum. Listen to yourselves! My God people I know we're geeks but come on.
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You know, from ep 1 to ep 6 it's just occurred to me how many Star Wars characters snuff it prematurley : Anakin / Yoda / Obi-Wan / Palpatine / Qui-Gon / Boba Fett / Jango Fett / Jabba / Greedo / Maul / Tarkin / Owen & Beru Lars / Wedge / 10,000 Jedi / all of Alderaan / 2 Death Stars worth of people / a bunch of Jawas and possibly Mace and Padme and probably loads I've missed. Jeeeeesus... surely this body count warrants some kind of new film record for Star Wars? Contrary to C3-P0's "we're doomed!" it actually transpires that him and R2-D2 were a few of the lucky ones that winged it and escaped Lucas's hugely genocidal death list.
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OK, so Yoda wasn't a premature death, but still it's another SW death. It's also just occurred to me that a lot of deaths might be justified by the title 'Star Wars'.
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Harry definitely likes to fan the flames on this one. He even does a little trolling himself, hinting at a childish intolerance for those who didn't love 'FotR' as much as himself. It's entirely possible that some of the trolls are actually Harry incognito. The man has advertising space to sell. Basically, 'SW' and 'LotR' stories get more hits and posts than any other subject and that's largely because of the shit slinging; if donkey porn's not your thing, then this is the second best freakshow on the net. All us thinkin' folk like to bitch and moan about the trolls, but the truth is that if they went away, some of us might follow suit.
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Mar 07, 2002 9:24:53 PM CST
"I see you becoming the greatest of them all" and "Begun these C
by a goonie
THAT is what i want. THAT is the stuff Attack needs. fuck! i'm gonna go nuts if Sunday doesn't come soon. oh shit. this is gonna rule. just over two months now, and i'll be sitting in a theater, about to view Attack of the Clones! goddamn Lucas! i think this is gonna work!
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I paid $1000 for two tickets to see Episode 1 with my screenwriting partner in '99 and we walked out of there thinking it was worth every nickel. And more. I ended up seeing it seven times in theaters in a month. And funny thing was, I still enjoyed it every time.
Those of you who are convinced Episode 2 will be such a disappointment... do the rest of us a favor and stay home. I plan on enjoying myself once more in that faraway galaxy... starting May 16 and then on repeat viewings through at least late June. I don't have to justify why I liked Star Wars (all of them) or Fellowship (well done) or The Matrix or any other film I liked to you wretches. Just don't go. It's that simple. Stay away. Don't talk about it. Don't whine. Just don't go. I'm sorry your lives were ruined by a single movie. Can't believe you made it to the new millenium... what with the crushing disillusionment you've been harboring. Leave us SW fans out of your misery. To the rest of you excited about the oncoming Clones... I look forward to cheering with you May 16. -
Here's to hoping to hoping that episode II is far better than the last installment. Lord knows how we all snarled in revolt at that CG Sith Lord called Jar-Jar, but hopefully George has learned his lesson and created what we all hope SW2 will deliver: a fantasy movie world that makes the oldest man feel like a kid again. P.S GEORGE, TAKE A HINT FROM THIS WEBSITE AND IT"S POPULOUS (WE control hollywood now, not you..Muuhu-hahahhaha), AND KILL JAR-JAR REALREALREALREAL GOOD WHILE YOU'RE WRITING EPISODE 3. AND MAKE IT EVIL!
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First of all, I never said LOTC fans live in their basements and SW fans get laid. Maybe you're hallucinating and thinking of your own life. I was responding to a post from that other Einstein, Glaswegian, who claimed that seeing LOTC changed his life in a way nothing else has. If that isn't a typically pathetic statement from a social loser, I don't know what is. It's ok to be passionate about films. I am or I wouldn't be in the business. It's ok to fall in love with them. It's ok to see something that rejuvenates one's love for the medium. But to say "My life is changed and I have seen the light!!!" is pathetic. When I walk out of a movie, even a great movie, I'm on a definite high. But I'm also ready to engage in life again. And I'll stack movies like American Graffitti, THX1138 and Star Wars against The Frighteners, LOTC, and Dead Alive any day. And if everyone is aware of Lucas' incredible contribution to film history, why doesn't anyone acknowledge it and give him the benefit of the doubt? Even I didn't criticize LOTC until I saw it. At least people can say they'd give AOTC a look before forming an opinion. Anyone who reads my posts will tell you that I've never even said AOTC will be a good or bad movie. I don't know. I haven't seen it. It looks promising, but so did LOTC. If Hobbit Dicks like you would just open up and say that, maybe I won't bitch slap you guys so much. But I forgot. Giving Lucas the benefit of the doubt is a Middle Earth no-no.
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I got over TPM: I still like to watch it occassionally for some of the effects and the duel at the end. Despite myself, I have very high hopes for AOTC based on what I've seen and read about it. Also, I cannot wait for TTT, which will not fail to rock. However, my point: I think those who are dismissing the offensive racial stereotyping in TPM as malicious invention really need to take the blinkers off. Start by typing "Jah Jah" and "Rastafarian" into a search engine. To scream "he's a frog!" (George's own favourite line from the Lucasfilm Ministry Of Truth - how about that) betrays a severe inability to interpret the bleedin' obvious. Bright colours are very distracting aren't they?
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is it just me or the new design of the stormtroopers look like Galactica Cylons?
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Does this make me a freak? Sometimes coming to this site makes me think so.
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the way Carlos explained it, I could either pay the $13 and wait over TEN MINUTES in a line, or dish out an extra $487 and get them of him in NO TIME AT ALL! From now on I purchas all my tickets from Carlos.He gave me a ticket for the Fast and the Furious for just $270! yep, I've been known to haggle.
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I haven't a whit of respect for a single soul in this talkback! Okay, maybe I can summon a whit for Buzz Maverik, but the rest of you could all burn and I would shed not one single tear! As far as I can tell, most of you are really fucking dumb! Everybody is stupid except for me! All the kids in Springfield are a bunch of SOB's! How do you feed yourselves? How do you turn on your computers? Have I met any of you people in the real world? Who are you? Where do you come from? Seriously, I really wanna know!
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I almost skipped over your post. Damn these out of order listings. Thanks for saying "I seem well read and should get out before the TB corrupts me". Maybe I have been spending too much time on here of late. I've been working on a feature film and have been pretty much saddled with the computer so I switch over to the internet occasionally/often to refresh my mind. Maybe next time I'll just go for a walk. But all this fighting is so much fun, no?
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Well it does. Especially when the order isn't screwed around (is that to much to ask?) So does Star Wars and so does LOTR!!!
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follow this when the posts are in seemingly random order? This has been true forever. I almost never come to this sight anymore as a result.
Just to a be a little on topic - doesn't anyone else think a scene described as "dodging massive stamping machines on a conveyor belt" sounds terrible? Reminds me of the scene in Galaxy Quest where they make fun of this concept. But, LOTR had a cheesy crumbling bridge scene and it didn't detract from the rest of that film being good. Too MUCH cheese would, though.
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You bitches keep bitching about all us other bitches bitching! We can bitch all day and all night if we want! We think bitching is bitchin', bitches! So shut your bitching pie holes before we make you OUR bitches! LMFBAO, BEEEYOTCH! MmmmmhahahHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA-
sorry
the bitch who just wrote that was in fact not me but my bitch who is not yet graduated from bitch school. rest assured she has been bitch-slapped and will bitch no more until such time as she has earned her bitch diploma. apologies once again and please enjoy the rest of the bitching already in progress... (off camera) down bitch! down! -
Hmm... I'll have to see the Yoda scene to judge whether it's cheesy for myself. Then again, seeing it in context is probably required. I mean, if he kicks Count Dooku's ass with the blue lightning or something, it should be damn cool! My only question is, Yoda says "The dark side clouds everything." ?!? Hey, this is Yoda were talking about! Shouldn't it be "Cloud everything the dark side does" or something? Come on! Yoda's weirdly cleft sentences are a part of what makes him that pointy-eared green midget we all know and love.
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Sorry if you already found out, I'm posting rather late. I'm pretty sure it won't be on the net in non-bootlegged form until the 15th. Hoo-ha AOTC.
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What child of the 70's doesn't smile when they hear that?
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I love Starwars and LOTR, but i just watched the Godfather Trilogy, now that was some boring arse shit zzzzzzzz
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I am a full-time youth worker in the UK and I am a big fan of Star Wars. However I work with teenagers between 13-19 and they all think the original star wars films suck! I couldn't believe it but I have been in this job for over a year and not one of them has ever said that they think Star Wars is any good! As far they care the only good thing about the whole star wars series is Jar Jar Binks! They are all agreed that the orginal trilogy are cheesy and boring! They have no memory of how important Star Wars was when it came out or the kind of impact it had. All they see the series for is the film's themselves, which they think are far surpassed by the vast majority of recent action films. They all agreed on the superioty of LOTR and of the couple I have talked to about it the only thing they want to see in AOTC is more Jar jar! This is the future of moviegoing!
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we all know that you will be in line for aotc, so why do you want other people to stay away from this movie?
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.......he managed to find his way to this talkback too eh? Just CAN'T stop talking about something you hate huh? Makes me wonder.......why do you bother fool? ....fucking idiot!
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"First of all, I never said LOTC fans live in their basements and SW fans get laid." If that's not a big lie, I don't know what is, here's your quote: "As we've grown older, we've gotten careers, relationships, etc. that we find more fulfilling than even the most thrilling movie...LOTR fans are in their twenties and thirties and STILL haven't found careers and relationships" Buh bye, credibility, Renata. And calling it "lord of the crap" while referring to your own posts as "eloquent"? Keep giving us the big laughs. You'd look like less of an ass if you'd stop assuming that anyone who doesn't kiss Lucas's ass is an obsessive LotR fanboy. (same with assuming that people disappointed with Lucas's recent work are dismissing him outright - sure he's made amazing films - just not in the last 20 years) But I guess cheap one liners are easier than actually responding to legitimate complaints. But I'm sure the sandbox name calling will continue, of course I'm obviously a "hobbit dick" who can't read. Oh, and AotC looks promising, but so did TPM.
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Oh dear God, I hope this looks better than it sounds. And MrCere, if you're going to make cheap jokes about Harry's spelling and "grammer" at least check your own posts with a little more diligence.
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"Lucas hasn't made anything in worthwhile in 20 years"? Get your facts straight, Hobbit Dick (There, used it again!). Lucas didn't direct a movie between 1977 and 1999. You want to bash him for everything he did between then, fine. You want to bash him for Howard the Duck? I'm with you! You want to bash him for Radioland Murders? I'm bring up the rear. But you can't bash him for Empire Strikes Back, Kagemusha, Koynisqaatsi, Tucker, etc. These were his outputs in the last "20 years". When you get your facts straight, I'll get mine.
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You keep saying my reference to "Lord of the Crap" and "eloquent" are incongruous. I find the truth to be eloquent. That's just me. Now, bring me my slippers!
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In case you hadn't noticed, nobody cares what you have to say (including me). Move on.
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Mar 08, 2002 2:41:26 PM CST
I Paid $1,000,000 To See A Rought Cut Of ATOC And It Was Worth E
by buzz maverik
George's projectionist, Nevo, snuck us in. First of all, you guys are going to love Yoda in the fight scenes. There's a great fight scene where Mace Windu and Yoda are sitting in a bar and N'Sync walks in and D.T. starts making bald jokes. Mace picks up Yoda and hits D.T. upside the head with him. Then, the other N'Sync guys jump in, you know B.O., K.P., F.U., J-Lo and Brittany's boyfriend. I don't know which one it was, but you should have seen the look on his face when Mace stuffed Yoda up his ass.
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Oh, if you don't care, why do you keep responding? But honestly, if we're going to continue this little love affair, you have to come up with better retorts supported by facts, not just telling me to buzz off. That's boring and unimaginative, like that Hobbit movie.
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