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Believer witnesses 10 minutes of STAR WARS EPISODE 2 and loses his fool little mind!!! ADDED Mighty Mouse's Comments!!!

Harry here and WHOA! This sounds freakin awesome! WANT TO SEE NOW!!! Spies out there... I'll be hitting L.A. on the 18,19 and 20th... If you can help me see the light that is STAR WARS EPISODE 2... A thousand Bothans will be mutilated and arranged into a fancy chandelier for your home. I'll throw in Moriarty's couch and Henchman Mongo's big rubber chew-bone. A pair of John Robie's stuffed underwear. Well, beware of spoilers.... there's a ton. Here ya go....

OK, I shoulda written you guys as SOON as I got home, but other pressing duties kept my attention. Still, I CAN'T believe that AICN hasn't posted anything from Rick McCallum's speech at ShoWest. I figured someone, somewhere woulda sounded off on what they saw. So, lemme possibly be the first ...

First, I was at the convention and, specifically, McCallum's speech on digital film, through my employer. (How's that for cryptic?) In fact, the only reason I was at ShoWest was to hear what McCallum had to say and to see the goods he brought with 'im. And man, did he deliver.

McCallum talked to a crowd of movie-theater owners, industry types and media -- around 250-300 in all --for about 30 minutes. He was playing up how great digital filmmaking is and will be. Obviously, there are some major financial hurdles for most unincorporated theater chains to get through 'fore they even consider switching over to digital. But McCallum is convinced it's what the people want, "it" being the best film-viewing experience possible. He also said that it's imperative that filmmakers make the best films possible and listen to what the public wants. So, after seeing new Attack of the Clones footage, it‚s safe to say Lucas has heard the rants o‚ fans.

It was roughly 10 minutes of various scenes in chronological order McCallum said that no one outside Lucasfilm had seen until now.

Christ! I feel for the janitor who had to clean up the auditorium later that night. The images I saw -- sans sound except for music -- were ungodly (meant in the best possible way). George L. has reached into his bag o' tricks and pulled out creatures and battle scenes and planets and everything the eternal 10-year-old boy in me could want.

There was way too much for my feeble mind to digest, but some of the images that stand out are:

1. Yoda apparently (at least, from what I could glean from the coupla seconds they showed of this scene) catching blue lightening in his hand, holding it and then blasting it right back at its creator. The mighty green midget had a serious Don't Fuck With the Master! look on his face while doing it. I'm sure the scene has to do with Yoda's (SPOILER) showdown with Count Dooku at the end. (END SPOILER)

2. A sequence where Anakin and Amidala fall onto a giant conveyer belt. The two are quickly separated, with Amidala having to go through a series of bone-flattening metal pressers, much like a Warner Bros. cartoon come to life, while Anakin is battling buglike creatures with his saber. From the looks of it, this will be intense.

3. Obi-Wan walking through the corridors of Kamino and seeing the clone-development plants.

4. The chase scene on Coruscant. I've heard it plays out like a similar sequence in „The Fifth Element.‰ It was very impressive here.

5. The finale when all hell is breaking loose in the arena. There was too much eye-candy to focus on one element only, with superdroids, Jedi swingin' their blades and all sorts of creatures runnin' around. This will hands-down be the most action-packed ending to any of the films.

All in all, even without the sound, there was a definite darkness to the tone of the film.

It's easy to see why the first prequel was called Phantom Menace, since there was never any tactile sense of evil in the movie, much to the film's determent. And the action was confined to a race and lightsaber duel.

After seeing this new footage, I can see why the word Attack is part of the title. Episode II is all about action, contrary to what the „love trailer‰ may suggest. In fact, from what I gathered, it seems like the film‚s love theme is merely an after-thought, a transition from action point A to action point B. Of course, not having seen the film nor read its script, I'm only opining from the 10 minutes of footage I saw.

Oh, and then there's the new trailer Sunday can't come soon enough for most o' you. I won't go into too much detail since you'll be dissecting the trailer frame by frame in five days, but it features some great dialogue snippets, UNBELIEVABLE action sequences from the film's finale and a great closing line from Yoda.

In summary, I suffered through Phantom like everybody else. A good film, at times borderline great, it never reached the summit it attempted to climb; instead, settling for a, "Well, we're high enough, let's go back down now the mountain and try again a few years later" approach. It seemed that Lucas got lost in character introduction and neglected to infuse life into their dialogue and situations. I think he forgot that it's not enough to have guys with unusual names standing around cool-looking sets doing relatively little. We want action! We want jaw-dropping effects! We want to be transported from our measly li'l world for two-plus hours to another time and place ...

From the 10-plus minutes of footage I saw Tuesday night, Lucas has delivered on those three film qualities and much, much more. Rest assured Star Wars dorks, geeks and nerds, the Force is again strong with this one.

Call me Believer.

Hey folks, Harry here... Saw some of you doubting the above report... well Mighty Mouse, who has never written for me before under this name, but who I've known for years wanted to write in and confirm the above report... Ok you Fox Executive that knows who you are.... You said if I ever wanted anything, to ask... I'm asking... I'll be in town the 18, 19 and 20th... I wanna see. We can do this where we saw that.... yeah, that. Ok? I know it isn't safe to contact you at your company, but this is a test of your power.... if you ain't chicken, let's see what you can show me. Here's Mighty Mouse...


Here I come to save the daaaaaaaay! Mighty Mouse here to saaaaaaaaay, ATTACK OF THE CLONES will kick your assssssssss!!!

So, I was at ShoWest yesterday. I wanted to be first on this, but someone beat me to it.

Let me just add: OH MY GOD! The BEST part was no F@cking JAR JAR ANYWHERE! How is that for hope? Sorry, I still hate the character.

The 10 minutes was played out and Rick said it wasn't even FINISHED print stuff. He called it Show Print for testing. No dialogue or sound, just music.

The YODA scene with the Blue Lighting. Was YES, don't mess with Yoda. You could tell how great Yoda looks today, than he did 20 years ago in Empire. Yes, it has been 20 years.

The new trailer kicks ass. Simple and straight to the point.

There was so much going on, that I still can't process it all. EXCEPT, I HAVE TO SEE THIS FILM IN A DIGITAL THEATRE. Think about it. THE FIRST MAJOR film, shot with a Digital Camera. You should too.

The OTHER cool thing that your report didn't cover was Rick showed test of blowing up moving shots. So, if you took a shot and enlarged it to get a close up, traditional film only allows for 20 or so %. Digital did it 100% and higher. It was UNREAL.

So you saw a distant shot of Anakin and (Fuck, forgot the girl) well the screen got split and one shot left it distant and the other half ZOOMED IN! It was wild. It looked AWESOME.

YOU KNOW Lucas reshot his film with this technique. He could zoom in or out digitally on any shot. Crop, etc.... Freaking awesome.

Overall, I wanted to see the whole thing again. This film looks awesome. There are scenes of Anakin fighting Bobafett or whatever the dad is called. Bobafetts space craft from Empire. Lots of great stuff. Anakin riding a air motorcycle against the tatoine sky. 2 suns setting... very stylistic....

Mighty Mouse

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  • March 6, 2002, 8:34 a.m. CST


    by BustaFart

    who gives a titty? Uncle George needs to go for a R rating and get that piece of ass Portman to strut around topless.

  • March 6, 2002, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Sure this is for real?

    by Spab

    Are you sure?

  • March 6, 2002, 8:42 a.m. CST

    "I feel for the janitor who had to clean up the auditorium later

    by Lance Rock

    I have to admit, I'm slobbering for Sunday's trailer like anyone else!

  • March 6, 2002, 8:49 a.m. CST

    A new hope?

    by The Game Master

    "Master Harry, sitting through The Phantom Acting was one thing, but this is totally different!" "NO! No different! Only different in the hype. You must unlearn what you have learned...about Lucas." "But my doubt after the hype and letdown of Episode I is too big!" "Hype matters not. Judge The Matrix by it's trailer, did you?" What is the little dude who can catch lightning bolts trying to say? I guess that, given the lack of hype compared to Episode I, then perhaps Episode II will be the opposite, as in, with that magical emotion of Star Wars (the only thing truly lacking from the last film). I have a new hope! Master Lucas, just prove to us that you are not too old, that you are ready for the burden, and don't let us loose another movie to the dark side the way we lost Phantom. But, even if we do, it's not our LAST hope, for there is another . . .

  • March 6, 2002, 8:52 a.m. CST

    In the chicken run..

    by batjack

    Seems to me that George Lucas is pulling out all the stops here... BUT doesn't that bit in the conveyor belt sound an awful ot like the sequence in the Chicken Pie machine in 'Chicken Run'? Just thought I had to say it.. Batjack who can't wait for whenever the hell it will actually turn up in the UK. Yeah, they say the same day all over the known world, but I remember 1977- 8, having to wait five months after the US to see 'Star Wars'...

  • March 6, 2002, 8:55 a.m. CST


    by rev_skarekroe

    At least you didn't feel like the janitor who had to clean up the peep show booth, right? Right? sk

  • March 6, 2002, 8:55 a.m. CST

    squashing conveyer belt!!! You gotta be shittin me!

    by Mad Dog

    Man, hope that doesn't turn out as shite as it sounds. The rest sounds excellant though. Can't wait to see Yoda kickin some ass and throwing lightning balls. Roll on the next trailer. Not long now.

  • March 6, 2002, 8:57 a.m. CST

    oh wait, i get it!

    by rev_skarekroe

    You WERE referring to the sort of thing you have to clean up from the peep show booth! Sorry, I'm just dense. Move along. sk

  • March 6, 2002, 8:58 a.m. CST

    wow!! that was amazing!?? what the fuck?? bullshit, no sound eff

    by jonnyflorida

  • March 6, 2002, 9:05 a.m. CST

    You guys crack me up: "THIS BASTARD'S LITERATE! GET HIM!!!"

    by Roguewriter

    I for one am very interested to learn what happens next! Thanks for the report, guy -- now go grab a squeegee and help out that janitor. Ya know, geek-goo leaves streaks if you don't wipe it up right away...

  • March 6, 2002, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Wow the LOTR flamers didn't wait long at all

    by Starbuck1975

    So how exactly did LOTR change your life??? TPM was hardly a groundbreaking film, but to Lucas' credit, his vision and the original trilogy changed the landscape of Hollywood forever, and also helped define the childhood dreams of an entire generation. LOTR will never claim such laurels, other then perhaps becoming the first relatively loyal film based on a novel. That, and it may open the doors for some of the other great fantasy works of literature to loyally and faithfully get adapted into film.

  • March 6, 2002, 9:09 a.m. CST

    feeling a disturbance in the force..

    by Ali786

    dunno about anyone else but I can see a pattern emerging again, ala-Phantom Menace... Everyone's getting overly focused on the trailers and now matter how awesome the action and effects you'll still have to watch the 1 1/2 hours of non trailer stuff when the film comes out and if it turns out to be more political/trade franchise crap then y'all be moaning again like a bunch of ..well..jar-jars....keep cool or its gonna screw up ALL OVER AGAIN

  • March 6, 2002, 9:20 a.m. CST

    I agree with ali786, people are getting to much out of the trail

    by jonnyflorida

    ..its all a plot! the real focus of the story is about Jar Jar trying to fuck the ass out off Jabba the hut, its all in CGI, there are no actors in it at all, its 5 1/2 hours long, Billy Crystal and Chris Rock do ALL THE VOICES, and Anakin decides he doesn't really like the idea of becoming some dark dude and comes out of the closet!

  • March 6, 2002, 9:32 a.m. CST

    the Star Wars life-affirming effect

    by cody_jarrett

    I think a lot of us are showing our ages here. True, Star Wars had a momentous effect on me because I was 10 when I first saw it and had never seen anything like it before. Now, the times are a-changing and when those nice silver boxes came out with the three special edition, my little brother who was about 13 at the time, bless him he bought them for me for Xmas. He had never seen them and really wanted to as I was such a big fan but I know when we sat down on Boxing Day for a mammoth Star Wars-fest, he wasn't THAT interested. Sure he liked them fine, but Han Solo, Luke, et al where not changing his life as we sat in mum's front room eating too many chocolates. He watched them, watched TPM, he will watch AOTC as well but as for everlasting joyful memories of a blissful childhood, no. And LOTR? He loved it,he really did, even threatened to buy the soundtrack, but only time will tell if the interest he shows now will be maintained. Kids eh? Fickle fuckers.

  • March 6, 2002, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Weird Al Yankovich

    by MrCere

    I hope this film will be good but I don't want it to be tooo good because I don't want it to overshadow the Weird Al Yankovich video where he sings about Yoda, to the fine tune of Lola which, IMHO, is the finest moment of the Star Wars franchise yet. Actually, I hope I have a good time in the theater when I go to see this movie, but I just can't picture myself getting in line again for a midnight showing like I did for A Tack Of Da Clones (ATODC).

  • March 6, 2002, 9:53 a.m. CST


    by Lord_Soth

  • March 6, 2002, 10:04 a.m. CST

    With A Name Like Pupkin

    by Starbuck1975

    Lucas drew his inspiration for Star Wars from the Flash Gordon serials of his childhood. There are no parallels between LOTR and Star Wars in terms of inspiration, so your claim that Star Wars owes anything to LOTR or Tolkien is absurd. I am willing to concede that Lucas took some elements of Tolkien's world and used them in Willow, but quite honestly, in film form, I found Willow to be much more satisfying, witty and enjoyable then Jackson's adaptation of Tolkien.

  • March 6, 2002, 10:12 a.m. CST


    by SpacePervert

    Don't remember too much about it... wasn't that the one with the shaved ewoks? Madmartigan was cool though.

  • March 6, 2002, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Now THAT'S What I Expect From Yoda.

    by MichaelSean

    I don't know about you all, but I've gone from the Phantom Menace induced depths of not giving a womp ratt's ass about this movie to being excited as hell! (Frankly, true confessions time, LOTR made me a little sleepy.) The one area I'm concerend about (other than the love story dialog) is the rumored Yoda wielding a lightsaber. I'd always assumed that Yoda was so damn powerful he didn't NEED a lightsaber. The Yoda action described above sounds a LOT like what I'd always imagined seeing Yoda in a fight would be like. Him just standing there, calmly flicking back whatever is thrown at him. To me, that's WAY cooler than seeing him with a lightsaber. The Emperor didn't need a lightsaber, why should Yoda? Still, I can't help but be damn excited for this movie.

  • March 6, 2002, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Willow, Lord of the Midgets

    by wasp

    I'd have to agree with you, or at least understand how you might find Willow more satisfying, enjoyable, and witty than LotR. FotR isn't supposed to be satisfying--just like the book, it's only the first act of the story. As far as enjoyable or witty goes, LotR isn't supposed to be Indiana Jones, it's freakin' Seven Samurai set in the world of Tolkien. Sure, it's got a handful of annoying flaws, but it is still one of the best movies I saw last year -- along with Memento and In the Bedroom. As for Star Wars, I really want Episode II to be good, I really do. From everything that I've seen, I think it has a lot of potential, but I just know that the love story is going to be lamer than Tiny Tim without a crutch. Still, everything else might be cool. What I can't get over is people who claim that The Phantom Menace is better than Fellowship of the Ring...that is something I can't even begin to comprehend.

  • March 6, 2002, 10:26 a.m. CST

    starbuck...YOU brought up LotR first!

    by minderbinder

    It's hilarious to see the "these LotR idiots..." posts when it hasn't even been mentioned yet.

  • March 6, 2002, 10:28 a.m. CST

    GL you fuckin' rule

    by thegoldencalf

    this is going to be way to good, and i can't believe it's out this may!!!!! oh yeah and anyone know why harry's book has a different subtitle in england???????

  • March 6, 2002, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Wrong MindBender

    by Starbuck1975

    Glaswegian mentioned it at about post #5, saying that LOTR was a "life changing experience." Would help if you read the thread there chief.

  • March 6, 2002, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Star Wars is Ghey - LOTR ROX!

    by Sgt_Hulka

    Who cares about these digital muppets. The Hobbits rule.

  • March 6, 2002, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Lucas!!!!! PJ!!!! 2 directors making Hollywood look silly

    by wonkaworld

    WONKA here... well this makes me happy..happier than eating an everlasting gobstoper...BUT...i was happy reading that SPIDERMAN rave only to find from MORI that it was indeed fake...I want Episode 2 to kick ass in the worst way. I want it and TTT to be bookends for the best movie year ever for geeks. If this post is true, cannot even imagine my excitement come May 16... Hollywood- you are about to be slapped silly by Lucas and PJ... Back to the candy factory,,, WONKA

  • March 6, 2002, 10:54 a.m. CST

    After working at the PLANT, I decided to water my PLANTS

    by Michel Delving

    To say this is a plant is like calling grass green. Most telling is when he faints that PM sucked, but was really close to being great. Give me a break. KIDS, BELLY SHIRTS, N'SYNC. I'll be the first to apologize if I'm wrong.

  • March 6, 2002, 11:12 a.m. CST

    I for one LIKED The Phantom Menace

    by LeukemiaMan

    Sure, I was a little let down when I first walked out of the theater, but as it ages, I like TPM more and more. I mean, come on! It's Star Wars for crying out loud. Just that name makes it better than 90% of the stuff out there. Knowing nothing about the Tolkien books when I saw Peter Jackson's movie, I can say I was more dissapointed by FOTR than TPM. And I don't care how many Oscars FOTR got nominated for. I'm not saying the movie was bad. In fact, it was pretty good, but it wasn't the "be all" and "end all" movie people on all these movie geeks sites made it out to be. I was expecting freaking "Gone With the Wind" So, I am very excited about Attack of the Clones. It looks great. And, I'll probably like it more than the common movie-goer because I love Star Wars. And, the people that hate Star Wars and love "Ring" for whatever reason will continue to bash Lucas. Who cares? In the end, the fun of both these series of movies is the anticipation. That's what I enjoy the most.

  • March 6, 2002, 11:14 a.m. CST


    by BoBaBrain

    Wouldn't it be cool if Yoda could hold a lightsaber blade? That's what I'm looking for. 5 to 1 sais he kill Mace Windu in the next film.

  • March 6, 2002, 11:16 a.m. CST


    by BoBaBrain

    Keep in mind that many talkbackers might not have english as their first language. Unfortunately I can't use that excuse for "sais" in my previous post.

  • March 6, 2002, 11:18 a.m. CST


    by BoBaBrain

    "He kill". That bad english.

  • March 6, 2002, 11:20 a.m. CST

    I didn't know the movie was 10 minutes long

    by Maximus21

    You could put together a nice 10 minute montage of The Phantom Menace too. But what about the rest of the movie? This sounds like a plant anyway.

  • March 6, 2002, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Holy flarking shnit!

    by Mr. Anderson

    This movie will be fucking incredible. Anyone who says differently is a LOTR fan who's just jealous that Star Wars is going to be taking some of its wind back. Not to badmouth LOTR, it was an incredible film and deserves to win Best Picture, but this is fucking Star Wars. I've said this before and I'll say it again: Lucas knows what he's doing. He always has. TPM is kinda anti-climactic because it's supposed to be. You know that Beatles song "Only A Northern Song"? "If the chords are sometimes wrong / That's OK / I just wrote them like that." These are Lucas' movies, people. These are his characters. So shut the fuck up and let him do his work. We'll all be thanking him later.

  • March 6, 2002, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Holy flarking shnit!

    by Mr. Anderson

    This movie will be fucking incredible. Anyone who says differently is a LOTR fan who's just jealous that Star Wars is going to be taking some of its wind back. Not to badmouth LOTR, it was an incredible film and deserves to win Best Picture, but this is fucking Star Wars. I've said this before and I'll say it again: Lucas knows what he's doing. He always has. TPM is kinda anti-climactic because it's supposed to be. You know that Beatles song "Only A Northern Song"? "If the chords are sometimes wrong / That's OK / I just wrote them like that." These are Lucas' movies, people. These are his characters. So shut the fuck up and let him do his work. We'll all be thanking him later.

  • March 6, 2002, 11:30 a.m. CST


    by sparticusmaximus

    The clock is ticking..............

  • March 6, 2002, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Drat! The cynical geek squad has exposed me for the fraud I am

    by krofft superstar

    That's right, I'm a fuckin' plant. George L. paid me to write that Ep. 2 description. Christ, crawl outta your bottle of Night Train and join the rest of us, will ya? No one could ever possibly see some film snippets in advance at a NATIONAL TRADE SHOW and then write in to a website and comment on it. You got me there. Ya know, it's imbeciles such as these that make me LONG for the release that only a giant asteroid can bring. Anyway, I do have issues with Phantom, but I'm sure I deluded myself into thinking it's a better film than it really is. Does it stand on its own? Course not. But it works as part of the series. (Hell, even the Bible has some slow chapters.) As for my grammar and spelling being too good for me to possibly be a fan-boy, it's called a college education; I

  • March 6, 2002, 11:46 a.m. CST

    I cannot wait!!

    by laguna_loire

    This is gonna be so good!! I see tho' people have already started the "Jedi vs. Hobbit" catcalls. How sad. Can't you enjoy them both? Guess not. But I do feel the "cutting off your nose despite your face" addage applies here somewhat?

  • March 6, 2002, 11:47 a.m. CST


    by Aronld Scazziger

    Well that's what I have heard. It's a fucking teenmovie, realize it! Avoid it! So go watch the last reel of LotR:FotR March 29th instead. THAT IS GOOD MOVIEMAKING!!! back to my Frodo action figure .. yipiiiiee

  • March 6, 2002, 11:48 a.m. CST

    My co-worker is at Sho-West and saw it!!

    by Kampbell-Kid

    He said the footage was great and just too much to handle. Said everyone left the aud all speechless kinda like the first LOTR footage shown at Cannes last year. He said this film WILL redeam disapointed Star Wars fans and that it'll be big come May. I'm jealous I couldn't go.

  • March 6, 2002, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Call me Dan Quayle ...

    by krofft superstar

    Yes, I spelled "lightening" -- as in, "Lightening his load, the Lucas hack dropped his pen and prepared statement" -- instead of lightning. It was 4 in the a.m. when I wrote the damn e-mail, so sue me. Still, I can't help but feel like a Mr. Potatoe (sic) Head for my grammatical transgression.

  • March 6, 2002, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Belly shirts.....

    by Desasquatch

    .... Ain't nothing wrong with that!! SEriously though WTF why is an exposed Midriff going to ruin a movie? Isn't this the type of thing you fanboys long for? NATALIE PORTMAN IN A MIDRIFF. It's supposed to be the equivalent of leia in the gold bikini. Another thing on that point is that it's clear the shirt get torn at some point. So from here on out talkbackers, I beg you don't use something lame like "Belly Shirts are going to ruin this film" and just admit to us and yourself that this movie could be cast entirely with members of NSync, Backstreet Boy, MEnudo,New Kids on the Block, Color Me Bad, Another Bad Creation, Kris Kross, and Kid and Play. And you would still see it. It's Ok to just be a fan of the work and not bitch about it all the time. Sorry about that folks Soliloquy over, go on with the talkbacking. P.S. I'm not the only one who thinks the belly shirt will actually ADD to my enjoyment of the film, am I?

  • March 6, 2002, 11:55 a.m. CST

    we'll see

    by big h

    i agree that 10 minutes of great footage isn't enough to tell if the rest is on the same level.I will only believe my own eyes on this.

  • March 6, 2002, 11:59 a.m. CST


    by Sofa King

    The only plants here are the TB vegetables who can't summon up enough intellect to say anything useful, so they just scroll down the TB to see what the most asine, self-indulgent thing said was (in this case, calling anyone that DARES give a movie a posititve review a plant), then repeating it to try to sound cool. I'm not even going to start on this rediculous Starwars vs. LOTR crap....

  • March 6, 2002, 12:02 p.m. CST

    at least the spoiler didn't say who *won* the duel.

    by durhay


  • March 6, 2002, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Eagerly awiating the Attack

    by Solrider77

    Let me just say this, I LOVED the Phantom Menace, loved, loved, loved, loved it!!!!! You cannot say "everyone" suffered through that film, cause I'm part of "everyone" and I didn't suffer one bit. With that long developing rant out of my system. I'm dying to see Attack of the Clones. In my opinion the Summer can't come quick enough. My favorite superhero of all time and my favorite film series of all time in one summer. These are the things that make life worth living.

  • March 6, 2002, 12:11 p.m. CST

    This guy is saying very little that is NEW

    by X-Girls

    what is new sounds good, but calm down to see for yourself.

  • March 6, 2002, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Epsiode III

    by laguna_loire

    In which the deadly clone army, revealed to be a bunch of negative talkbackers intent on badmouthing everything, invade a popular movie website. Jeez, I wish!! Makes me sick to read some of the comments pasted here - "OH YES, ITS GONNA BE CRAP 'COZ GEORGE LUCAS HAS NO CONCERN FOR HIS ART, HE ONLY WANTS TO MAKE MONEY" - I think we all know that maybe he cares a little more for his movie than just a buck or two, and even if Episode I wasn't great, then it was a gamble that didn't pay off and he's trying to give people what they want now. For the record I want to see this, I want to see Bond 20, I want to see TTT, I want to see Spiderman, Minority Report, Blade 2, Harry Potter and the chamber of secrets, etc., etc., etc.,!! Does that make me sad? Maybe.......But maybe also I acknowledge that there on the big screen is what I wanna see, and its really cool to see so many good films this year!! So much negativity....... If you have some bad vibes, go have a cup of tea and relax - don't vent your spleen on the rest of us.

  • March 6, 2002, 12:22 p.m. CST

    AICN TBers "attacking" either SW or LOTR always recalls the flea

    by Pallando Blue

    ...with RAPE in mind! Methinks both Lucas and Jackson will survive the assault. *** Hot damn, this sounds great! Man, I hope I don't know too much about this movie already... I haven't read ALL the spoilers out there, but still... Setting the VCR for Sunday! I bet I wear that tape down as much as I did the Angel FOTR trailer. I mean, purple lightsaber. Kick. Ass.

  • March 6, 2002, 12:22 p.m. CST

    the difference between star wars and lord of the crap fans

    by Renata

    I think most people who have had their "life changed" by Star Wars saw it when they were,what eight, nine, ten. Around there. As we've grown older, we've gotten careers, relationships, etc. that we find more fulfilling than even the most thrilling movie. LOTR fans are in their twenties and thirties and STILL haven't found careers and relationships, so they are ripe for having their lives changed by a movie. I love movies. Love them to death. In many ways, they were my first love and one never forgets his first love. And Star Wars was instrumental in changing the course of my life, as it showed me that celluloid could take me places I had never been, places that seemed real only in dreams. Had I seen Star Wars when I was, oh, 20 or 30, I don't think it would have become as much a religion. Life just intrudes. But not if you're a LOTR fan. Boy, you guys are funny. At some point, one would hope you guys catch on and, to reiterate an oft mentioned cliche, "Get a life." It's perfectly fine to have a life changing film experience when you're a pre-adolescent; but when you're an's a little pathetic.

  • March 6, 2002, 12:40 p.m. CST


    by SamWave

    Where's the freaking poster? Wasn't it there? Somebody buy a freaking spy camera or something.

  • March 6, 2002, 12:41 p.m. CST

    I personally can't wait for AOTC...

    by SweetSyl

    But every time a SW or LOTR mention pops up the inevitable comparisons and insults arise. It's expected but still annoying.

  • March 6, 2002, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Renata: in this sea of stupidity, you've still managed to co

    by minderbinder


  • March 6, 2002, 12:50 p.m. CST

    To elfkiller8

    by cooldude

    I'm not sure I got the spelling of your screen name right, but here we go. You state "at least with an SW film you know it's straight with nothing queer about it." Even TPM? Let's face it, this is a movie about 2 grown men who go take a young boy away from his mother. Do you really think there's "nothing queer" about that?

  • March 6, 2002, 12:53 p.m. CST


    by jbird669

    Ok guys about The Phantom are all looking at it as a stand alone movie. IT IS THE FIRST EPISODE IN A 6 EPISODE SAGA. It has to set everything up for the remaining parts, and as a result will seem slow and boring and not as good as the rest of the episodes. Believe me, when you see all six, you will see how it all fits together and what a genius GL is. And yes, once can be both a Star Wars and LOTR fan, I am one.

  • March 6, 2002, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Bone-Crushing Presses

    by Bramton1

    What's with science fiction and its obsession with these monstrosities? Geez.

  • March 6, 2002, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by Bramton1

    Unfortunately, it doesn't really matter how good AOTC is, people with still nitpick anyway they possibly can.

  • March 6, 2002, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Jackson vs. Lucas

    by Bramton1

    As for these comparisons of Peter Jackson and George Lucas, Jackson is making an adaption. He took a pre-exisisting story and put together an adaption of it. It's a very good adaption, mind you, but it's still not an original piece of art. And now he's talking about King Kong. Write something that's just a little original, damnit! Or should we call you Puff Jackson? Or P. Jacki?

  • March 6, 2002, 1:04 p.m. CST


    by Psychopompous

    What a completely asinine comment.. When will you just accept that many people (might it even be a majority?) of intelligence and maturity found Fellowship of the Ring to be, well, an intelligent and mature movie, while at the same time feeling that TPM was somewhat lacking? That you disagree is meaningless. Live and let live, man (or chick, whatever. I had an ex-girlfriend named Renata back in college.. that was one stupid bitch.. ). Anyway, Attack of the Clones looks like it is shaping up to be a kickass movie to make us all forget the rot that was Phantom Menace. Can't wait until May. Can't wait until December. Rule Geek Movies!

  • March 6, 2002, 1:12 p.m. CST

    "There Are Worse Things Than TalkBackers Out Tonight..."

    by jollydwarf

    "Like what?" (Pause) "Like...uh, lemme get back to you in a minute on that one." Well, we're not quite on the proverbial doorstep, flower boquet in hand sweating profusely, but we are making our way off of the last main road before we get into the blind date's neighborhood. Here the murmurs? That, Mr. Talkbacker, is the sound of inevitability. But do yourself a favor. Make a commitment to NOT learn anymore spoilers from this point out. Don't buy the novel first if you can't discipline yourself. Don't read the frame-by-frame analysis of Trailer D. Stay away from's Episode II section. The smattering of basic info I have actually confuses things for me. There's lot of shit that's got to happen in this film. There will be at least five different planets visited, a ton of pertinent characters, and about three interwoven major storylines. While TPM did indeed disappoint in my opinion, it never helps to eliminate all elements of surprise. So besides the Trailer this Sunday, that's it for me until Opening Night. C'mon guys, be the Josh Hartnett of your Internet groups!

  • March 6, 2002, 1:14 p.m. CST

    "My ally is the force. And a powerful ally it is."

    by rabid_republican

    Hmm...why is it everytime I see teaser/spoiler/script reports reflecting possitively on EpII, I'm taken back to the immidiate aftermath of TPM trailers? We were heady and astounded in sea of glee only to be dashed against docks of disappointment. Are we there again?____________________________ I want to believe, I do. I have a great affection for this material, but like many of you, I'm once bitten, twice shy. Thus, I'm not running headlong into optimism here. Lucas has made visually, appealing, well shot film since his TXH-1138/American Graffitti days. But will it all fall together? Call me pragmatic. Not optimistic. Not entirely bitter. Just pragmatic.

  • March 6, 2002, 1:20 p.m. CST

    2 questions

    by Brooklyn Bred

    I hear that Chewie dies in the last installment and that Lando and Mace are kin.

  • March 6, 2002, 1:40 p.m. CST


    by minderbinder

    Unfortunately, it doesn't really matter how good Weekend at Bernies 3 is, people with still nitpick anyway they possibly can.

  • March 6, 2002, 1:40 p.m. CST

    I was at Sho West for the blind

    by MrCere

    And there we heard ONLY the sound for the film, and obviously couldn't see any footage. Rick Baker said the sound wasn't finished, but it was all digital and so they could focus on any recorded sound ever, but not the movies. I heard a Shaft-like voice say, "Yoda, let's kick these clone mother#&$^$^'s geneticly similar, mediclorian-deficient, forceless asses!" This was followed by the echoing voice of an evil wizard who said, "We will find the one who tries to balance the force and he will die! Did you really think your silly friends could stand against the might of my cloned Orctroopers?!" It was soooooo cool.

  • March 6, 2002, 1:43 p.m. CST



    The phantom shitter has to be the worst science fiction ever made. Hell, it isn't even a Star Wars film, it's really just a commercial to sell Jar Jar Binks stuffed animals, no wonder it DIDN'T win any academy awards, The Matrix completely kicked it's ass all over the place. George Luca's best days were over fifteen years ago as he hasn't delivered a great film since Willow. I USED to be a huge Star Wars fan but the prequels look like complete shit. First the phantom shitter and now Attack of the clones, with awful lines like, "My Ani, how you've grown" or "It's all Obi-Wan's fault" Not to mention that fucking N'Sync is starring in it! Peter Jackson has shown George Lucas how to make a great science fiction film with the extremely kick ass The Fellowship of the Ring which has already won several British Academy Awards and has a very good chance of winning Best Picture of 2001! FUCK A.O.T.C. WE WANT TO SEE THE TWO TOWERS THIS SUMMER!

  • March 6, 2002, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Bramton1: Jackson vs Lucas

    by Tomten

    If you want something more original from PJ why not check out Heavenly Creatures (Nominated Best Original Screenplay, Written by PJ). And if youre gonna bitch about it being based on a true story, then go see Meet the Feebles for christ sake. 100,000,000,000-times more original than Star Wars that's for sure.. Why can't people just like 'em both?

  • March 6, 2002, 1:58 p.m. CST

    I feel my hopes being raised...

    by Dragonfire

    which is a bad thing, because I was sure I would enjoy AOTC because I had such low expectations for it. That part with Yoda catching the lightning sounds cool. The way I see it, Yoda should be so powerful he doesn't even need to use a lightsaber, especially since he would look corny using a lightsaber anyway. Imagine how cool it would be if, after seeing the effect the force lightning had on Luke in ROTJ, in AOTC we see Yoda simply catch it and throw it back. Anyone notice that split second shot in the 'mystery' ep2 teaser of Anakin being hit by force lightning? I reckon Palpatine tortures Anakin with force lighting in ep2 the same way he does Luke in ROTJ. That way, it would add more impact to the part in ROTJ where Vader saves Luke by tossing the emperor down the reactor shaft, because you'd realize that the sight of his son being tortured was not the only thing that brought out the goodness in Vader, but the memory of his own pain at the hands of the emperor and not wishing his son to experiance the same pain, or something like that. I think that would add more depth to the story, and make an already strong moment in the original trilogy even stronger.

  • March 6, 2002, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Marc Price,read this jackass.....

    by Wolvie6

    ......"sticking to our guns and bash this film even in the light of good buzz." Good for you boy for showing what a tough guy you are. So even if this film is good and changes the minds of a lot of people, even if you secretly inside after SEEING the trailer, think its good and better the EPI,you STILL will bash it eh? Good for you for showing everyone what an ass you are. I hope it is good and I'm sure it will be. You internet talkback fucks are just looking for any excuse to bash a movie (especially anything Lucas related) that you will do anything to be "cool" and will ride the "Star Wars EPI raped my childhood" bandwagon to the point of stupidity. Answer me this moron,if you hate Star Wars and Lucas soooo much,why the fuck can't you stop posting and talking about it?? I personally thought EPI was better than the worst Star Wars movie(Return of the Jedi) and will always think that. Jedi had too many Muppets and Ewoks. .....and for Christs sake quit playing the Jar Jar card already!!!! Yeah he was annoying but if he bothered all of you THAT much you all are seriously fucked in the head. Get over it. This movie will be great and I can't wait for it. YOU Marc Price,like everyone else here who bitches and moans, will be there in line so save it jackass. You aren't fooling me. You'll be the one guy trying to look high and mighty saying how this is gonna suck standing in line waiting for it (once again showing what a fucking tool you are) and be the only guy still talking shit after the movie while everyone else is talking about how great it was. They'll all see you for the annoying geek you are. Shut the fuck up already and get a life. Go back to your Frodo figure now fatboy. I'll get back to my wife in the Leia bikini!! :)

  • March 6, 2002, 2:13 p.m. CST

    TalkBack survey SEZ: "Well, that guy can hardly form a complete

    by Roguewriter

    I'll stick with the Janitor's Pal from Review #1. At least the guy understands that whole tricky noun-verb-subject-object thang. English is such a bitch, isn't it?! BRING ON EPISODE 2!! ;)

  • March 6, 2002, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Yoda Catch'n Light'nin...

    by FlickChick

    ...I'm just wondering how this can possibly be done without looking just plain silly??!!

  • please! do not miss it!! i live in GER and won`t be able to tape it!!!!!##################################hehehe! A NEW HOPE!!! well maybe this one will still fail BUT i HAVE HOPE...and i feel the force...i`m looking forward to it...let

  • March 6, 2002, 2:41 p.m. CST

    by kingofmayhem

    most of you guys are cool,but this goes out to the shit talkers of know what dont even mention lotr with this movie lotr is ok, you hear me its ok, the animated version is better anyways.people who overhype decent movies make them shitty just like pulp fiction, it super super sucked ass!!!!lotr will not get best picture so go back to shuffling magic cards losers why not bitch about the ewok movies or the shitty expansion novels. this movie will kill lotr you wont even remember lotr after this , you should all be purged just like the lame ass jedi i am the sith and there are more like me dont like it dont go see it go to hell. star wars lives again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • March 6, 2002, 2:42 p.m. CST

    As a scouser would say "All rite, calm douwn"

    by Ernst Blofeld

    It makes you wonder sometimes, why people are such dickheads. Really this TB is hardly the place to come for sprightly and intelligent discussion is it? More a place for people to insult one another or complain about how TPM destroyed their soul and left them with a severe loosening of the rectum. I mean, come on! The fact of the matter is, is that this is a new Star Wars film - the film that really sparked a passion for movies and adventure in many of us. It created a rich, distant, exciting place for us, filled with extraordinary characters and amazing sights. And with every world, there are things you don't like. TPM may be the weakest film in the canon, but it is not without merits and to have it sour you for ever more is wrong. I'm personally looking forward to AOTC with childhood glee - if only for three reasons. 1. Sam L. Jackson and Ewan MacGregor are two of my favorite actors in the business and both have more screen time. 2. Light Sabres are the coolest thing ever. 3. Jango Fett. I need say no more. I remember on the official SW website that it said pod-racing would again be in the movie, but I haven't heard anything anywhere about it. Anyone shed some light? Also LOTR is a damn fine film, but really, no SW, no LOTR film - it's that simple...

  • March 6, 2002, 3:15 p.m. CST

    All Trolls Must Fucking Hang!

    by Billy Talent

    Come on Georgie, Stevie, Marty. Show these upstart punks how it's really done in the summer of 2002. Francis! Get off your ass and make another movie worthy of your classics. Jackson, you're joining Sommers, West and Bay in Remedial Editing & CGI 101. Ridley, keep doing what you're doing. I want to see some seriously over the top murder, orgy and cannibal action in 'Perfume'. Kirsten, keep your blouse wet and your nipples hard, and for the love of god dump that Maguire fuck. Wynona, keep staring at the walls and picking at the bugs beneath your skin. If you feel hungry, take some pills and smoke some cigarettes. And when you feel hungry Harry, just eat three steaks, a pot of mashed potatoes, and a bucket of chocolate ice cream. And everyone else remember to stay inside, avoid contact with other people, and watch at least three movies a day. Eat your cereal with a fork and do your homework in the dark.

  • March 6, 2002, 3:16 p.m. CST

    To TPMSUCKED....


    I read your whining and the first thing that rang to mind was,"He must be twelve". Buddy, "The Phantom Shitter"? It's been two years and your still using a play on words thats been used over, and over again. A little more originality please. Then again, it's been two years...give it a rest!!!! I'm not sure on your angle on "awful ines" like, "It's Obi-Wans fault" because there is nothing wrong with this line unless it's followed by "that my ball is stuck in a tree" I feel you're reaching for something that'll justify your ranting on why the movie is gonna suck. If thats the best you can do I suggest to watch it and bitch about it afterwords. It's the "Grown-up" thing to do. Bye the way, N'Sync(three out of the five) does NOT star in this movie. At best a few seconds of camio in the backround(if even that, I read they were cut from the movie). Do you honestly know what an N'Sync looks like? One could walk by me in a restuarant and I'd never know it because I don't care about the band and I sure as hell could care less( as I'm sure many ADULTS) if they had a backround,no talking scene in AOTC. But if the plain knowledge that N'Sync is in the movie kills it for you then you should sit home, have a coke and a smile and Just quit your whinig.

  • March 6, 2002, 3:18 p.m. CST


    by pparker

    habe irgendwo gelesen dass der aotc trailer auf pro7 gezeigt wird, jemand hat angeblich eine werbung daf

  • March 6, 2002, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Dead Alive?

    by Ernst Blofeld

    What the hell's that? Is that the U.S. name for Braindead? Well I suppose if you are going to cut the movie to shreds, you might as well call it a different name. You crazy yanks. I have to say Braindead is my favourite PJ film, though it does go a bit Oedipal at the end for my liking. I've never looked at a lawnmower in the same way, and pudding with a squirt of jam just turns my stomach these days...

  • ...and without any reference to his people, whatever the heck they were. So, to say definitively from a 10 minute trailer for Episode 2 that: 1) No Jar-Jar (or very little of him) AND 2) None of this romance people keep talking about, is extremely misleading. Only the people involved in the production know how much Jar-Jar and romance we can expect in the movie, and we can't assume this based on any 10 minute trailer, no matter how cool it was.

  • March 6, 2002, 3:33 p.m. CST


    by Geddlee

    You've all got it. Apparently, so do I. It's a good time to be a geek. We all just got to see an incredible, serious piece of filmmaking with FOTR. Now we get both Spiderman and Epi.II. What the hell is wrong with all of our stupid, little lives that we have to bash each other for liking any of this? It's all good! BTW, Lucas isn't good enough to lick the sweat off PJ's balls.

  • March 6, 2002, 3:33 p.m. CST


    by mike_mercury

    So grow the hell up, burn those goddam plastic figures, YOUR CHILDREN ARE LAUGHING AT YOU.

  • March 6, 2002, 3:38 p.m. CST

    A good sequel to a crappy movie?

    by Fatal Discharge

    Hmmm, weren't people excited by the first leaked scenes from the TPM? .....and then the whole film turned out to be more horrible than a hairball coughed up by a Wookie.

  • March 6, 2002, 3:45 p.m. CST

    I'm sick and tired!

    by BudSmoker

    So what if we keep fearing that AoTC is going to be as bad as TPM? I think that all right-thinking people in this talkback are sick and tired of being told that, ordinary, decent people are fed up in this talk back with being sick and tired. I"m certainly not! And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am.

  • March 6, 2002, 3:47 p.m. CST

    by maj_kong

    There's another story about this at If anyone's looking for another opinion. The short version: the FilmThreat guy really liked what he saw.

  • March 6, 2002, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Only continuous footage fairly finished with dialog and music l

    by Red Giant

    C'mon people, trailers can be good (as LOTR and some SW ones have been), but you NEVER trust that a movie is really great until you see true uninterrupted footage from it. Quick cuts and FX scenes are easy to manipulate to look good, witness the SW:EP1 horseshit. I mean, didn't everyone (including myself) think that was going to be an awesome movie based on that? And look what they did to it.

  • March 6, 2002, 4:29 p.m. CST

    No, ROMANWEB, I'm 31!


    I just read your reply to my first message, first of all, I'm 31 years old, and as much as I LOVE the classic trilogy, The Phantom SHITTER, yes, I said SHITTER, I don't care how old that saying is, it perfectly applies to TPM! Secondly, who cares if one, two, three or 500 members of N'Sync are in A.O.T.C. they are still in the fucking film because Georgie Lucas couldn't say no to his N'suckeachother'sdicks loving daughter. Third, I'll take Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy to George Luca's prequel trilogy anyday. Perhaps, I'll see A.O.T.C. on DVD after it comes out in ten years, but, not before, because the bad taste of TPM is still in everyone's mouths even after three years! Sorry, but the two trailers havn't sold me to A.O.T.C.! However, I can't wait to see The Two Towers trailer attached to FOTR starting on the 22nd! Like I said in my earlier post, Romanweb, George Luca's best days were over fifteen years ago, and the prequels just ain't cutting it!

  • March 6, 2002, 4:31 p.m. CST

    "LOTR is just Willow with a bigger budget"..

    by MrLimey

    ..writes a reader of Total film magazine.What also he failed to mention is your less likely to fall asleep through Willow.

  • March 6, 2002, 4:38 p.m. CST


    by sparticusmaximus

    TPMSUCKS: If you can't realize how different in dynamic AOTC will be from TPM.......I mean we're talking EPIC......might even give the OT a run for it's money!.................. TPM was a quiet beginning (except for Maul)..............AOTC will be it's own animal..................SEARCH YOUR FEELINGS SW FANS.....YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE!

  • March 6, 2002, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Let's pretend

    by Darth Melkor

    LOTR fans let's pretend for a second. Just pretend that FOTR sucked... that it didn't meet any of your expectations... That it disappointed. That you felt the same way about it that a lot of SW fans felt about TPM. I know it's hard to imagine but just try. If this were the case, you were disappointed, would you just write off TTT and cease to be excited about seeing it? Would you tell everyone that was excited about it that they are morons who can't wait to speak into PJ's purple headed microphone? I doubt it. Sure you may be wary of its quality but you wouldn't just say "the first one sucked so I won't even give the second a chance." That's what you're telling SW fans to do. Just look at it from that perspective.

  • March 6, 2002, 4:51 p.m. CST

    What's up with the elf killer?!


    "I'm not sure I got the spelling of your screen name right, but here we go. You state "at least with an SW film you know it's straight with nothing queer about it." Even TPM? Let's face it, this is a movie about 2 grown men who go take a young boy away from his mother. Do you really think there's "nothing queer" about that?" FUCKING AYH! FUCK TPM!

  • March 6, 2002, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by jbird669

    Obviously you guys aren't too keen on stories and sagas and the like. TPM IS A SET-UP FILM!! IT HAS TO SET UP EVENTS IN THE NEXT FIVE FILMS! THEREFORE IT MAY SEEM SLOW AND BORING AND CRAPPY. Obi-wan is wooden in Episode I because it deals with finding Anakin and seeing that he is an innocent boy (as well all are) and that he has extraordinary ability (flying the Naboo fighter IS THE BEST WAY OF SHOWING HOW EXTRAORDINARY HE IS!)and how he goes about training Anakin. AOTC will show what kind of jedi Obi-Wan is and how his relationship with Anakin is. TPM was also about how Palpatine begins his march toward naming himself Emperor. Can you not see that? Also, I suggest that if you think GL is such a bad filmmaker, stop talking shit and make a film yourself and we will see how you do!

  • March 6, 2002, 4:56 p.m. CST



    Hey, that's your god given right to not see a movie(based on past dissapointments, even if the one)I just think it's premature to judge anything on AOTC even if the recent write ups make it sound promising. What gets me is you sound so angry and cussing up a storm(you and every other negative talk backer)over TPM that you've already judged Lucas' future projects based on that ONE movie. I think a 31 year old should be bigger than that considering they are just movies. Especially the whole LOTR Vs. SW crap. Why even feed into that Pre-school Playground. Be BIg Man! I Loved LOTR. It's probably the best movie in 5 years( People who say it wasn't good I don't understand, don't want to, and don't care) but to compare it to something soooo different and say"LOTR blasts away your Star Wars", "This fanchise is better than this one" is absolutely pathetic. NO matter how old you are, fighting about that you automatically revert to twelve. I say stop being so angry, let's quit this debacle and enjoy these marvelous flicks and have a kick ass year. And If I see you in Line for TTT, I'll pick up the tab for the popcorn, just to show I meant no offense.

  • March 6, 2002, 4:56 p.m. CST



    Hey, that's your god given right to not see a movie(based on past dissapointments, even if the one)I just think it's premature to judge anything on AOTC even if the recent write ups make it sound promising. What gets me is you sound so angry and cussing up a storm(you and every other negative talk backer)over TPM that you've already judged Lucas' future projects based on that ONE movie. I think a 31 year old should be bigger than that considering they are just movies. Especially the whole LOTR Vs. SW crap. Why even feed into that Pre-school Playground. Be BIg Man! I Loved LOTR. It's probably the best movie in 5 years( People who say it wasn't good I don't understand, don't want to, and don't care) but to compare it to something soooo different and say"LOTR blasts away your Star Wars", "This fanchise is better than this one" is absolutely pathetic. NO matter how old you are, fighting about that you automatically revert to twelve. I say stop being so angry, let's quit this debacle and enjoy these marvelous flicks and have a kick ass year. And If I see you in Line for TTT, I'll pick up the tab for the popcorn, just to show I meant no offense.

  • March 6, 2002, 5:02 p.m. CST

    No One Here Knows If Its Good or Not

    by kafkaman

    Come on! All anyone posting in here knows about E2 is how good the trailers are or, possibly, how good the 10-minute reader's digest version is. the trailer for tpm 'kicked ass', too. i'm sure i could put together a 10-minute kickass 'trailer' for tpm. the question is not whether the movie will look cool, but whether the character interaction, timing, editing, plot development, pacing, and so on is done well enough to prevent massive brain damage. the phantom menace was boring! the effects were fine. but in the end, i felt like i was watching a disney film. it felt so freakin' fake.

  • March 6, 2002, 5:06 p.m. CST

    on a positive note...

    by greyspecter

    i must say i'm encouraged by this review, though still cautious after the Phantom Menace. True, it wasn't too terribly bad, but it was supposed to be Star Wars! It wasn't. This year is gonna rock, though. LotR:TTT, SW:ATOC, Spiderman, MIB2...ahh, it's great to be a geek

  • March 6, 2002, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Nice Post Dorante

    by Miss Aura

    Dorante, nice post but I think a lot of the LOTR fans are too young to understand that. Not the die hard book fans but these immature fans who post the rivalry crap.

  • March 6, 2002, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Minderbinder, et al.

    by Renata

    Go ahead, guys. Take personal shots at me. But you can never answer my critiques because you know they're true. I just love all the Lord of the Crap fans ducking for cover and going on the defensive. It's fun!!! Look, I didn't start the SWvs. LOTC nonsense. I'm actually a latecomer to this site. If you love what Fat Jackson did to Tolkien's beloved books (essentially turn them into the Mummy Returns), then fine. If you enjoy bad cinematography, effects, sets, and acting, then fine. That's your business. I know a lot of people who enjoyed the movie. That's fine. A lot of people enjoy Monstertrucks and cockfights, too. I just don't. I'm not even saying Star Wars films were all perfect. I've certainly had problems with the last two; at the same time, I think Lucas set the standard, and without him other filmmakers wouldn't exist (listen up, Fat Jackson, I'm talking to you). For all you fanboys to outright dismiss him shows your lack of perspective on history, and that pisses me off. If you can't remember and respect the pioneers, then the future of filmmaking is doomed to be turned over to the latest MTV trained hack (McG, Ratner, Michael Bay). Lucas at least still wants to make good movies, still wants to entertain. I don't know him personally and certainly don't know his personal finances, but I think if he never made another trilogy, he would've been ok. That he finances all these movies himself, and keeps them from the greedy studio hands, should be something all filmmakers aspire to. If his dream of HD technology proves correct (and from people I know who are working on AOTC it will), then he may have liberated filmmaking for all of us who want to make our own movies. What's not to celebrate about that? There! That's my "asinine" statement and I'm sticking by it, even if it is the "stupidest one on the talkback".

  • March 6, 2002, 5:26 p.m. CST


    by Ernst Blofeld

    So TPMSUCKED is 31 years old, that's kind of depressing that he still has to rant on like an upset 13 year old who's just discovered a place he can use swearwords without his parents finding out. I swear the people who dislike SW, just wait till an article comes up about SW, hoping that it's someone bitching about it. And when it's not they just decide to lurk in th TB and bother people. If you read on the left it says "please don't be a bastard" - is it really that difficult. Sadly for some people, it appears - yes. Grow up or piss off please. See, I asked nicely.

  • March 6, 2002, 5:29 p.m. CST



    Man, these Phantom SHITTER fanatics make me fucking laugh, how fucking pathetic that they have to defend a piece of shit that didn't win any oscars, that was nominated for several Razzies (WORST OF THE YEAR AWARDS) and have made put the SW prequels to complete shame. Not only that, but the trailers to Attack of the Clones (Could George Lucas have come up with a more pathetic name?) have killer lines like "My Ani, how you've grown" and "It's all Obi-Wan's fault" and "I'm much too frightened to tease a senator" FUCKING PATHETIC! To top it all off we now have fucking N'Sync making complete asses out of theirselves in front of the camera. All hope is not lost however, Peter Jackson has delievered the best science fiction film in over a decade, The Fellowship of the Ring, which has already won several British Academy Awards, and has an excellent chance of winning best picture of 2001! FUCK A.O.T.C. WE WANT TO SEE THE TWO TOWERS! George Lucas' best days were over fifteen years ago as he hasn't delivered a decent film since Willow! FUCK TPM and FUCK THE SW PREQUELS!

  • March 6, 2002, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Order over all

    by Ernst Blofeld

    Whoa, there goes the TB order again. I thought this was sorted?

  • March 6, 2002, 5:33 p.m. CST

    bramton1, about PJ

    by rowox

    PJ had a career before he started working on lotr. 4 of the 5 films he made were originals, and only 1 was an adaptation. and don't ever compare him to fucking sean combs, it pains me to even write their names on the same page.

  • March 6, 2002, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Philosophical Question: Do LOTR fanboys who trash Star Wars actu

    by happywaffle

    Kind of like Brad Pitt quizzing Kevin Spacey in Seven: when you're sitting there writing your TalkBack message, pointing out that Episode I sucked (shock!) and announcing that Episode II will suck (psychic!), does it ever actually occur to you that you are completely uncreative, and are only writing the message out of a need for attention? Just curious.

  • March 6, 2002, 6 p.m. CST

    The thing the SW "loyalists" don't get is...

    by MrCere

    A lot of the folks here who "bash" Lucas, are not SW haters but SW lovers. Any other movie franchise has nothing to do with it at all. My enthusiasm for Star Wars has been seriously diminished. I will not be camping overnight to see ATODC like I did for TPM. If the film gets good reviews from people I trust, then I will go see it. If I get to go to an early screening for free, then I will go and write a report for Harry. I just do not feel the rabid love that I felt three years ago. I love two of the four SW movies. I hope to say soon that I love 3-of-5. I wish I would someday be able to love 6-of-9. I love SW as much or more than you, but I am practicing tough love. The franchise better shape up or I will kick it out of my house.

  • March 6, 2002, 6:01 p.m. CST



    31? Okay. Then be big man! You have every god given right to not see a movie for your own reasons. But to say it's all for crap(you said the "prequels"which refers to the two that haven't even been seen yet) because of of one movie that dissapointed YOU is rediculous. It just gets me how you and alot of other negative talkbackers go off on a cursing fit and sound so damned victimized by a movie you apparently had your whole lives riding on. 31? Then get over the's only a movie. These are all just movies. I loved LOTR. Probably the best movie in 5 years. But I"m not going to take that fact out on another movie. Just a damn good movie, next one please! Another thing is the whole LOTR vs SW crap! Why even feed yourself to this pre-school playground. "LOTR kicks SW ass!", "My franchise is better than your franchise!" "Neener! Neener!" I don't care how old you are, when you start messing into that subject you automatically revert to twelve. I can't imagine a good sensed individual disagreeing with me on that one because it's pathetic. By the way, my point with N'Sync wasn't how many were going to be in the film, my point was you probably won't even recognize them in the whole damn movie itself. Unless, of course, the small, insignificant scenes they shot was cut from the film itself. 31? Then chill dude, and have a great time at the movies. And If I see in line at TTT(I'll be there opening day), I'll pick up the tab on popcorn just show I mean no offense.

  • March 6, 2002, 6:09 p.m. CST


    by sensafreem

    could it be that the stormtroopers are clones of anakin, made after he gets buddy with senator-i have the biggest nose in the known universe-palpatine ? could it be that mace windu is one of the hidden conspirators and works for the sith ?

  • from some LOTR camp. I would bet 95% of most people like Star Wars and LOTR. Just because I think the last Star Wars sucked, and was really looking forward to it, and because of that I'm not getting too worked up about Ep II that I'm from some ennemy LOTR camp eager for the movies to suck. I'm not. I hope Ep II is good, I'm just not optimistic. If only this site could just discuss this issue rationally (oh, and I'm certainly not blaming you for the degeneration of this argument). Please don't take this personally, it is not intended that way. I just want to discuss this...that's why we're in a chat/post site about it, right?

  • March 6, 2002, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Frankly I object that "Star Wars Dweebs" were not included in th


    I expect better accuracy from this website in the future. "Ain't it Cool News", indeed! Heh heh heh.

  • March 6, 2002, 6:54 p.m. CST

    You know...

    by IAmLegolas

    if I saw 10 minutes of select action footage of Phantom Menace back in the (not so long ago) day, I would be freakin' out too. Wait until you see the whole thing before you start saying Star Wars is back in the saddle again. I pity the foo' who goes into AOTC with high expectations.

  • March 6, 2002, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Is the trailer gonna be showing in Canada???

    by movie_junkie

    I really hope it does show up here cuz I dont have satellite and I wanna see it badly!!! Plzz sumone i need info

  • March 6, 2002, 7:10 p.m. CST

    smaximus, your mindless cheerleading is pathetic

    by minderbinder

    Really, we don't need your vague rantings. Or your annoying punctuation. Or your continual proclamations of how we should all think.

  • March 6, 2002, 7:19 p.m. CST

    What...? No Jar Jar...?!?!?!?!?

    by Jar Jar Boinks

    I suppose next you're going to tell me that George Lucas dispensed with the fart and poo jokes too. Man, he has totally sold out. I want real entertainment, dammit, not complex plot and character studies like that pile of shite by Peter Jackson. Enuff already.

  • March 6, 2002, 7:23 p.m. CST

    TPM bashers

    by Lukecash

    Lets face it-If you didn't like TPM, you are not a Star Wars Fan. Fan is short for Fanatic. If you didn't like TPM at all, then you cannot be fanatical about it. I liked TPM-I understood what Lucas was trying to do, I comprehended the way he works, and above all I let him tell HIS story...not what I thought it should be. If you didn't like it...then I can't help you. There's a reason it was called The Phantom Menance kids, The bad guys one, and the good guys were celebrating...

  • March 6, 2002, 7:28 p.m. CST


    by Bockopolis

    The green dude looks great in CGI, and is set to kick ass in this film. I'll take Yoda over Gandalf any day........

  • March 6, 2002, 7:40 p.m. CST

    "We're going to make shitloads of money"

    by MPJedi2

    Who was Mr. McCallum talking to, and where? This was a discussion with Distributors. DISTRIBUTORS!! Most of these people don't give a shit about anything except how much cash the movie is going to make. In the context of selling the movie to them, this statement is completely understandable. In fact ANY filmmaker would say something similar in that situation. If you don't understand that, you don't understand how show BUSNIESS works.

  • March 6, 2002, 7:47 p.m. CST

    can't we just

    by eruve

    stop this stupid bickering and enjoy BOTH series of films? i knows its possible because at least 90% of SW fans love LOTR and 80% (i only say its lower here because some lotr fans are waaaaaay older) LOTR fans love SW. this is beyond ridiculous. you can't even read anything without reading stupid fights! yeah yeah, i know i'm not perfect and i indulged in one but... nothing as nasty as this crap.

  • March 6, 2002, 7:58 p.m. CST


    by eruve

    god help me, i must respond to this: " And Star Wars was instrumental in changing the course of my life, as it showed me that celluloid could take me places I had never been, places that seemed real only in dreams. Had I seen Star Wars when I was, oh, 20 or 30, I don't think it would have become as much a religion. Life just intrudes. But not if you're a LOTR fan. Boy, you guys are funny. At some point, one would hope you guys catch on and, to reiterate an oft mentioned cliche, "Get a life." It's perfectly fine to have a life changing film experience when you're a pre-adolescent; but when you're an's a little pathetic. " no, most LOTR fans did not have their lives changed in their 20s or 30s by a movie. they had it changed in their youth or childhood BY A BOOK. i've read some ignorant remarks here, but this one rates pretty high among the stupid.

  • March 6, 2002, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Dorante & lets pretend

    by eruve

    you are wrong about your assumption regarding LOTR fans supporting TTT if FOTR had sucked. if FOTR had sucked, you would have seen the biggest geek driven, hate campaign in cinematic history and PJ knew it as did the cast. i'm not exaggerating. there are people out there now, die hard tolkien fanatics who despise these films simply because they were made and deviate from canon (i.e. what tolkien wrote) and if FOTR had actually **sucked**... you would witness the outrage of millions. your analogy doesn't work. as for SW, i am hoping for the best with AOTC.

  • March 6, 2002, 8:11 p.m. CST

    WILLOW versus LOTR

    by TomVee

    Truth is, WILLOW is the more watchable film. It's a ripoff but a darned good one. And just look at the competition at the time: LABRYNTH and LEGEND (and, to a lesser desgree, KRULL). WILLOW looks like an absolute masterpiece compared to the rest of them, and it holds up pretty well. At least the lead (Warwick Davis?) didn't stand around looking wistful through most of the movie, the way what's-his-name did in LOTR. Also, WILLOW had a more manageable running time. LOTR was an ass-buster, sorely in need of an intermission. On the oher hand, I will need to view LOTR on DVD, to see if that improves things. Usually a home viewing helps even the worst movies. So the jury is still out to some degree. Meanwhile, TPM was truly awful and all we can hope for is an improved followup.

  • March 6, 2002, 8:12 p.m. CST

    WILLOW versus LOTR

    by TomVee

    Truth is, WILLOW is the more watchable film. It's a ripoff but a darned good one. And just look at the competition at the time: LABRYNTH and LEGEND (and, to a lesser degree, KRULL). WILLOW looks like an absolute masterpiece compared to the rest of them, and it holds up pretty well. At least the lead (Warwick Davis?) didn't stand around looking wistful through most of the movie, the way what's-his-name did in LOTR. Also, WILLOW had a more manageable running time. LOTR was an ass-buster, sorely in need of an intermission. On the oher hand, I will need to view LOTR on DVD, to see if that improves things. Usually a home viewing helps even the worst movies. So the jury is still out to some degree. Meanwhile, TPM was truly awful and all we can hope for is an improved followup.

  • March 6, 2002, 8:20 p.m. CST


    by Renata

    Just a note: People might actually listen to what you're saying if you had intelligent reasoning supporting your arguments. A rant is not reason. And knowing how to type in caps isn't intelligence. It does show you have opposable thumbs, though, so maybe you're not entirely sub human.

  • March 6, 2002, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Yoda and his lightsabre

    by zenda

    One thing we learn in "Star Wars: The Approaching Storm" (now in better bookstores everywhere) is that Yoda is considered the most gifted Jedi Master when it comes to using a lightsabre. He teaches a course in lightsabre use at the Jedi Academy. Read the book, it is pretty good. And billed as a "prologue" to Episode II.

  • March 6, 2002, 8:28 p.m. CST


    by Renata

    Thank you so much for being able to quote me verbatim. I hope you continue to read my posts and can even learn a thing or two. If so, my work will have been not in vain.

  • March 6, 2002, 8:44 p.m. CST

    'TPM' vs 'FotR'

    by Billy Talent

    Because it has to come up. Someone before expressed incredulity that anyone would prefer 'TPM' to 'FotR'. I'll try to put it in some perspective. I thought both films were comparably uneven. They had similar problems to do with pacing, character development, comedic bits that were far from funny and an overall lack of tension. In my mind 'FotR' took itself far to seriously, while 'TPM' didn't take itself seriously enough. 'FotR' has stronger acting, 'TPM' has better technical credits and action scenes. 'TPM' has Jar Jar, 'FotR' has Merry and Pippin. After that it becomes a simple matter of taste. I just like the 'Star Wars' universe. Middle Earth seems ugly, dirty and stinky to me. Hobbits and dwarves have bad hygiene. The monsters are practically made out of snot. It is a place I wouldn't care to visit. The galaxy far far away is fantastically cool, sleek and beautiful with even the occasional hint of sexuality. Annakin, Luke, Han and Lando are all interested in girls, and I'm guessing Amidala will get knocked up the old fashioned way. Suffice to say that there is no rivalry, it's complete nonsense. These films are all of a pretty comparable quality. Peter Jackson and George Lucas are both doing a hell of a lot more with their lives than any of us are, and they're both making a pretty fair living in the process. I've seen lots and lots and lots of movies that are better than either 'TPM' or 'FotR'. Christ, 'Harry Potter' was better, and so was 'A.I.'. Is anybody up for an 'A.I.' vs 'Harry Potter' war? How 'bout Lubitsch vs. Wilder, or Lang vs. Murnau? How about 'The Godfather I' v 'II'? Incidentally, how come no one's ever suggested we should hate the first two 'Godfather's' on account of the third, or on account of Cimino's 'The Sicilian'?

  • March 6, 2002, 8:46 p.m. CST

    tom vee and the wistful lead

    by eruve

    hahaha... elijah wood's frodo, "wistful" (you do know the definition, right?). assuming you do, me thinks you are projecting a little there and its not the first time i've observed that reaction to him, particularly from men. what's actually taking place, to those who can pay attention to detail (admittedly difficult with the overwhelming nature of the movie) is one of the most extraodinarily nuanced, evocative, and moving performances in many years. it carries through the entire film, making the whole concept of the ring and its power work for audiences. this will indeed be obvious on the DVD, as has already been remarked upon by one reviewer. he's simply brilliant. i'm especially looking forward to the extended version where some of frodo's reaction shots are restored. i've seen some of these in the National Geography DVD. its very good work. i do find your thoughts on willow being the superior movie to be amusing. the two films don't compare. at all

  • March 6, 2002, 8:49 p.m. CST

    reply to renata

    by eruve

    too bad my reply went right over your head. i guess that comes from having one's life informed by film instead of the written word, eh?

  • March 6, 2002, 8:55 p.m. CST

    tom vee and with wistful lead

    by eruve

    hahaha... frodo, "wistful"? you do know the definition, right? assuming you do, me thinks you are projecting a little there and its not the first time i've observed that reaction to him, particularly from men. what's actually taking place, to those who can pay attention to detail (admittedly difficult with the overwhelming nature of the movie) is one of the most extraordinarily nuanced, evocative, and moving performances in many years. it carries through the entire film, making the whole concept of the ring and its power work for audiences. this will indeed be obvious on the DVD, as has already been remarked upon by one reviewer. he's simply brilliant. i'm especially looking forward to the extended version where some of frodo's reaction shots are restored. i've seen some of these in the National Geography DVD. its very good work. i do find your thoughts on willow being the superior movie to be amusing. the two films don't compare. at all

  • March 6, 2002, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Beetlejuice (from Stern) as Snaggletooth Senior in Episode III !

    by jollydwarf

    I think a great low budget film that would spoof its inspirations would be a mass battle between the LOTR, Star Wars, and Matrix camps. Not the characters, the fans. ***I don't get how so many people can take this shit so personally***. Maybe some of you do it for fun, to be antagonists just for the hell of it, but I'm convinced that you're in the minority here. Granted, Prozac TalkBack would be boring as Hell, but with some of these posts, you can almost see the clenched fists and grinding teeth. "AARGH!!! YOU HAVE DESECRATED WHAT I WORSHIP AND WHAT DEFINES ME!!! BAN YOU! BAN YOU ALL TO AN N'SYNC AOL CHAT ROOM!" I really think the only way to end this would be to have an epic battle of our own. And all it takes is another "Wing Commander" to unify the masses yet again. Resume mutually assured destruction.

  • March 6, 2002, 9:21 p.m. CST

    And another great fantasy film is...

    by Billy Talent

    'Ladyhawke'. That's a really lovely film, maybe my favorite Donner. Michelle Pfeiffer sure is pretty. Let's talk about how pretty Michelle Pfeiffer is.

  • March 6, 2002, 9:27 p.m. CST


    by a goonie

  • March 6, 2002, 9:28 p.m. CST

    ignore the post above that reads "i" cuz that was a stupid mista

    by a goonie

  • March 6, 2002, 9:30 p.m. CST

    We must be cautious...

    by ToyMachine

    Like an earlier poster said, TPM trailers were amazing...then look what happend. I hope it is a good movie, but I am not going to camp out, buy all the toys and get on the local news for my geekiness. I will save that fervor for The Two Towers. Why are people so scared of midgets?

  • March 6, 2002, 9:31 p.m. CST

    okay, it did it again. posted way too fucking early. stupid "ent

    by a goonie

    The trailers are amazing. the title couldn't be better. the story sounds awesome. i just can't wait. i want this movie to rule soooo much, and hearing these wonderfully positive bits of buzz on the picture is completely reassuring. this movie is gonna be a doozy.

  • March 6, 2002, 10:01 p.m. CST


    by HolywoodHoganNWO

    Hey, brother, listen up, man. Hollywood Hogan here, nWo 4 Life. Hall, Nash, and I all saw "LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring" brother, and while it was good for killing some time between beating up The Rock and Stone Cold, it wasn't all it was cracked up to be, brother!! Forget the milk, prayers and vitamins, I'm putting my faith in 'Attack of the Clones", man. I've sold out stadiums brother, WrestleMania III, Pontiac Silverdome, 1987. Peter Jackson hasn't sold out anything, brother. Lucas STILL rules at the movies, man. Lucas was selling out theatres when Peter Jackson was still cleaning latrines as a kid, brother. nWo 4 Life.

  • March 6, 2002, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Your humble servant...

    by Calmante

    Fuck! When Lord, When?! When's it gonna be my time?!

  • March 6, 2002, 10:38 p.m. CST


    by ball''''''s

    Man this is going to rule, its gonig to be biger than..... idont kown but its going to be big And anyone how dosent think that are ****lickers

  • March 6, 2002, 10:43 p.m. CST

    All this talkback Bullshit.

    by remer5150

    I sat in a quiet theatre three years ago and felt like a kid again. I walked in knowing that great artists cant always continually put out masterpieces, but that doesnt mean that they can be labled a hack or a cash cow. Can someone in this talkback name all the titles to all the books the great american writer Mark Twain wrote. No because some of his stuff was crap, he didnt always sit down and write another Tom Sawyer. The point is LOTR fans ther are still more movies coming two more the trilogy that you all claim to love can turn to shit with one fucked up misconception from page to screen. If i have seen one undisputable fact about movies in my 25 yrs of cinema, its that almost every movie made, based on a book fucks up somwhere. Lucas isnt restrained by paper to the screen. Its all in his head not a book. Thus it is an original piece of artwork. This is truly sci fi/fantasy not a trilogy made to make money. I personally am much more happy reading the new Star Wars books than listening to all of you bicker over the Star Wars vs LOTR shit. To go on record i thought Lotr was kinda boring and the feet looked fake. It wasnt anything i had never seen before. In my opinion Sam Raimi's Evil Dead movies are quite possibly the best triolgy of movies @ a blockbuster near you. Well until obi wan dies in ep 3 schnoogins...

  • March 6, 2002, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Hey, Highfaultin, I think it was the bad taste in YOUR mouth!


    Man, I just love how childish those TPM losers get when you point out how fucking pathetic The Phantom Shitter was! It's fucking hilarious reading the bullshit put out by some of these losers! LOL!

  • March 6, 2002, 10:52 p.m. CST

    10 minutes?

    by MikeSal222

    I could assemble a 10 minute montage of clips from Battlefield Earth and make it look like Citizen Kane. Imagine if they had shown a 10 minute reel of highlights from TPM - The Pod Race, the final lightsaber duel, etc. We would have thought it was the greatest movie ever. I somehow doubt the full two-hours plus version of AOTC will live up to this 10-minute highlight reel.

  • March 6, 2002, 11:30 p.m. CST

    I love you eruve

    by Renata

    You're so much fun to yank around. And I'll believe you've read any books that didn't have a Hobbit in it when you start capitalizing the appropriate words. What're you? Some freakish Middle Earth answer to e.e. cummings? In any case, keep responding to me with your well informed, literary replies. We're having a blast reading them here.

  • March 6, 2002, 11:56 p.m. CST

    LOTR and SW

    by DouglasAH

    Tolkien fanatics - don't get all excited about the prospect of your beloved Hobbit lore overshadowing Star Wars any time soon. It's not going to happen, because the appeal of LOTR is much more limited by the constraints of the literature, which no one is attempting to really reinvent, making the films essentially very handsome illustrations to accompany the books, and the fantasy genre. Lucas did borrow from Tolkien, making many fans of the LOTR saga guaranteed ticket buyers at the AOTC box office several times over, but he also drew from westerns, samurai films, etc. SW is more inclusive, and it has broader appeal as a series of films. If you want to consider yourselves artsy elites above the level of us troglodytic SW fans, fine, you stand next to us in line at the cinema to see each installment, anyway, so I take your ravings with a grain of salt. But suggesting that AOTC will be a critical and commercial flop is a sure way to get carted off to a room with padded walls.

  • March 7, 2002, 12:33 a.m. CST

    If these reports are true, TITANIC is going down AGAIN, baby!!!

    by The_Lion


  • March 7, 2002, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Facts and musings

    by Grifter17

    Half of you pissants need to be shot, the other half (along with me) need to get lives I suppose but that aside, what's the harm in being excited about this film? Am I one of a handful that can appreciate Star Wars, The Matrix and LOTR? Does everyone understand that the one film among these that has an ounce of originality is LOTR? Star Wars was based on Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress" (Lucas has admitted this) and The Matrix has a litany of influences but most notably the comic book, "Transmetropolitan". I like all three franchises for no other reason than the fact that each one entertained me and did not insult me. However, Lucas began to insult me with ROTJ, TPM, the special editions and numerous releases on video but I'll still be in line on opening day because I believe he can recapture a bit of what he had back in the day. I'm also eagerly anticipating The Matrix Reloaded and TTT because I care about the characters and I want to be blown away again. Any harm in that? If you hate any one of these films, why waste your time declaring it to the world? Besides, good artists borrow, great artists steal. Look at anyone or anything you love and you'll see a lot of something or someone else you loved once.

  • March 7, 2002, 1:46 a.m. CST

    This shit's gonna suck

    by La Fours

    It's gonna suck, gonna be some stupid teen love story shit led by that queer N'Sync wannabe playin Anakin. Damn this is gonna be horrible. I'll still go tho, it's only a few bucks anyway. Oh well.

  • March 7, 2002, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Don't trust a trailer

    by avalontokio

    After seen TPM I just don't believe anything that comes from Lucas until I see the delivered product. If I was going based my opinion on the recent trailers I would say that AOTC looks cheesy (specially the CG Bobba Fet) corny and dated. At this point I'll go watch the movie without any expectations and see what happens.

  • March 7, 2002, 2:20 a.m. CST

    But really, why is there a LOTR and SW debate?

    by Castor777

    I'll admit it, I am in that crowd that was 'psyched to see Episode I but was incredibly disappointed.' There are parts of it I loved like everyone else - the light saber fight and the podrace still hold my attention every time I pop the film in while working at my video store. And I will also admit it, I am that crowed that was 'psyched to see Fellowship of the Ring and was incredibly blown away by it.' There's so much there that I'll always love and it will always be a great memory of mine to remember the 8 times I have seen the film in the theater (7 times actually, but I will return again for the T2T trailer). But really, why the rivalry? I can see it a little bit with LOTR and HP because they are a series brought from incredibly high selling books and they are released within a month from each other but - there is 7 months between Episode II and The Two Towers. It's not like we only have one choice here, is it? And so what if one gets more box office than the other? The Star Wars series will and always will be a classic series that the whole world will treasure, it doesn't need to be a gigantic success at the box office to be remembered. No matter how much I dislike Episode I, I will own the whole series when they are released on DVD, no doubt about it. And who cares if T2T tanks at the box office? FOTR already made enough money for the whole trilogy to be successful (and Peter Jackson having more money than to know what to do with) and I do believe that in the years to come it will be remembered as a classic trilogy. Go ahead and let A Beautiful Mind win best picture, LOTR will be have even less of a rivalry with SW than before, as they would both be films that were up for best picture but lost - but yet they are films that we always treasure no matter what the Academy tells us. Fuck the rivalry, see them both and enjoy yourselves.

  • March 7, 2002, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Yoda Catchin Lightning....FUCK THE SAGA. Lucas is abandoning the

    by CrunkenMaster

    Definitely, Lucas has a lot to live up to after EP1. TPM was all eye candy and no story. After disappointedly leaving the TPM in theatres, first thing i did was watch the original trilogy. Since then I've resorted to kneepads praying Lucas doesn't muck the next 2 up. Well.. he's done it again. Think about it guys.After Ep3, first thing all of us are going to do is go out and buy the whole EP 1-6 Special Edition box set for a limited time complete with r-2 air fresheners. Not goin to buy it. IF HNIC Jedi MASTER Yoda can catch lighning, how bout sharin the wealth and hookin luke up with the 411. U don't know the power of the dark side. Already know that in which you need. Fuckin baller blockin Yoda....

  • March 7, 2002, 2:35 a.m. CST

    "Bring me.... the bore worms...."

    by Doc Pazuzu

    Well, after lurking here for much too long, I finally feel compelled to enter the fray -- not as a combatant, but to try to shed some light on the absolute cretinous nature of these hate debates. A lot of you mention 2002 as being the year of cinematic geek bliss. You could very well be right, with all the genre entries on our collective horizons. I still remember the year that has yet to be beaten in that regard, and which quite possibly might be toppled from its throne by 2002. Yes, my fellow cinephiles (at least those of you old enough -- like myself -- to remember), I'm talking about none other than the golden year of 1982. Is it all coming back to you now? 1982 was the wondrous year that brought us E.T., Star Trek 2, Poltergeist, The Dark Crystal, The Thing, Blade Runner, Tron, The Road Warrior (in the States, at least), Conan the Barbarian, The Sword and the Sorceror, The Beastmaster, and many others that elude me for the moment (some I forgot on purpose. MegaForce, anyone?). My point is this: look at that list. It's a cinematic tapestry of wildly varying quality, yet even the bad ones have acquired a sort of fuzzy goodness in hindsight. Having been there at the time I can tell you that not one genre fan, celluloid geek or videohead I knew expressed rancor towards any of those films -- especially not before anyone had even seen it. Sure, I hated some of the movies but I was still happy someone made the effort to get them produced. Do you have any idea how spoiled some of you sound? Instead of rejoicing in the fact that more and more genre pics are being made which we can all enjoy (as genuinely loved films or as the ones we love to hate), you limit your own pleasure in moviegoing by bashing half (or more) of the current and future crop and come off sounding like utter imbeciles. I am referring to both Tolkien and/or SW fans who see fit to pound each other pointlessly. It would be funny if whining weren't so annoying. Here's to the movies I'm going to love this year, and to the ones I will hate and still take pleasure from -- something any REAL movie fan can do. The Doc

  • March 7, 2002, 2:47 a.m. CST

    The final line of dialog in the trailer...

    by drompter

    It's from Yoda: "Begun this clone war has" This given sunday. Yeah!

  • March 7, 2002, 3:01 a.m. CST

    Yeahhhh Righhhhhtttt. Hype it up!

    by Noell

    So,there is a rave about SW2. The last time that I read a rave review on this page was for Star Trek:The Motion Picture the directors cut. Well,the ST movie was improved but was still the same slow film without a decent nemesis. Hype,Hype,Hype!

  • March 7, 2002, 3:17 a.m. CST

    OH.. MY.. GOD!!!!THIS IS THE MOVIE! til Ep 3!

    by mikeyj83

    Hey cool it with this LOTR v Star Wars crap! Both are gonna be *%$!ing awesome. There's room for both and I love both! George I never doubted you. I wnat that trailer NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • March 7, 2002, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Just saw Randall Graves and Dante Hicks on the box IN COLOR (???

    by Drak_Tanner

    Fellow film geeks, I was hoping one of you could enlighten me here. My local translator of NBC is crapping up and only yielding still images and the occasional choppy clip. However, I just happened to catch a freezeframe of Dante Hicks, wearing a tan shirt and driving, and then one of Randal Graves, wearing a red and white hockey jersey and a backwards cap in the passenger seat. In between the still images there was a brief clip of Dante saying "No, I just don't want to be diddled by some insane German scientist and his friend!" That was all I was able to see, thanks to my crappy local station. Could someone here tell me what the hell that was?

  • March 7, 2002, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Total film...

    by Ali786

    well somebody wrote in to Total Film and said they didn't understand why the Fellowship of the Ring didn't end 'properly'....I mean come a book

  • March 7, 2002, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Here's where SW stands

    by RossBorowicki

    The original Star Wars - some nerds will call it "a new hope or episode 4" - is the great achievement, the great movie. It had a simple, identifiable story well-written dialogue, fast-paced and decently acted. The Empire Strikes Back was OK, but it could have been called 'the further adventures of Luke, Han, Leia and Darth Vader'. The dialogue was worse, the acting was worse, the story-line was really a simple series of chases, and the Yoda bit was boring as shit. Return of the Jedi was silly - dreadful acting combined with Ewoks which demeaned us all. The ending was the cheesiest thing I've ever seen. The Phantom Menace was worse yet. Attrocious acting, crummy kids with major parts, far too much CG - looked like a cartoon, terrible story line, Tatooine sets used for nostalgic purposes (ridiculous - see below) etc, etc.. So don't expect the next instalment to be anything good. By the way, why was Luke taken away from his father at birth and 'hidden' on Tatooine, the exact planet his father grew up on? Senseless. Lastly, Lucas had not concieved of DV being Luke's father or other ESB or ROTJ stuff when he made SW. If he tells you he did, he's lying - you tell him from me. There's too many inconsistencies! Go see Krull.

  • March 7, 2002, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Jay and Silent Bob were right.

    by spiderblood1969

    Everyone on the internet is an asshole...including me!! Fuck Star Wars up its stupid ass!! SPIDER-MAN will beat the shit out of it!! Thwip and naga-nooch!!

  • March 7, 2002, 9:07 a.m. CST


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  • March 7, 2002, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Well, let's not mince words, What do all really mean?

    by Electric_Monk

    Jeebus, reading this thread I am surprised at all the hatred that some have for the Star Wars franchise. It's interesting, but also very dangerous, because the people who dislike what Lucas has done to HIS series are coming off like a bunch of drama queens. While this site is designed to portay all views, most can't help but call Lucas and his fans derogatory names (with queer being the most prevalent).Which just convinces me that, while some of you are really smart, your childish comments come off like a group of 12 year-old girls discussing the merits of whether AAron Carter is as cute as brother Nick. Sure, Star Wars is a franchise, and it sells a two-hour commercial. But so does everything else. It just makes it more obvious than others. PM was not the best movie, but how many people are looking at it from the whole epic POV and who are the ones who go to movies just to pick them apart? I would hope that AOTC is a better film than PM, but I refuse to compare it to the first series, if only because it is a completely different series. When viewed as a whole -six motion pictures, only then will we be able to see what Lucas was planning. Right now, all you girls are full of sound and fury. Now if you really want to crap on a film, I suggest the Time Machine and The Scorpion King and and Chris Tucker film. These are the films that should've never gotten made. Or remade, like The Time Machine. Wait or don't, that's up to you drama queens. Personally, I go to film to see it. I know shit when I see it, and I don't need you girls POV to flame on it. If you rely even on Roger Ebert -or any other film critic -then you are sheep, easily moved. Go to it or don't. Watch the trailer on Sunday, or don't. Just learn to critize with out acting like 10 year old girls, saying "That's soooo gay" Heaven help us.

  • March 7, 2002, 2:45 p.m. CST

    reply to Lukecash

    by Dragonfire

    Your logic fails me. So, because we're star wars fans, we HAVE to like TPM even if it was bad. I don't see it that way. I'm a star wars fan because the original star wars trilogy was good. TPM was not good, therefore I don't like it. It's got nothing to do with the fact that Lucas didn't make it the way I wanted him to make it, it's got to do with the fact that it was a bad movie, and the fact that I'm a star wars fan makes it even worse, because I was hoping it would be like the original trilogy. Even if AOTC and EP3 are brilliant, which I'm hoping they will be, nothing will ever make TPM a good movie. Nothing will make the shitty dialogue good, nothing will make the shitty acting good, and nothing will make Jake Lloyd and Jar Jar Binks suddenly disappear from the film. I may not be entitled to insult Lucas for not making his film the way I wanted him to make it, but I'm entitled to dislike a bad film, whether I'm a star wars fan or not.

  • March 7, 2002, 4:30 p.m. CST

    AI, Harry Potter, Rollerball

    by DouglasAH

    The real problem with AI wasn't with the superficial nature of the whole "robots are people, too" premise, or the now laughable assertion that tailored life forms would be composed of metal and plastic instead of genetically manipulated flesh and blood. It was the stupid ending. Leave while the kid is still driving Teddy nuts with his "please, Blue Fairy" mantra, and you've seen a fairly good movie. The one problem I kept hearing about over and over with Harry Potter is the stupid, pointless nature of Quiddich. Rollerball is pretty dumb, too, we keep hearing about how violent an dangerous it is, yet it unfolds like ice hockey on sedatives. Either invent a unique and plausible sporting event or just send your characters out curling, it is more ridiculous than anything you can come up with, and you won't waste your time coming up with stupid rules and scoring methods and selling them to idiots as 'Harry Potter's Official Tournament Guide To Quiddich' for $29.95 a pop...hey, wait a second...

  • March 7, 2002, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Marc Price = idiot

    by Wolvie6

    I have never trashed EPI even once egghead so eat a cock ok? I was always one of its supporters and never understood how someone can get all butthurt about a fucken movie. It was still better than Jedi and I have always said as much. EPI had Darth Maul. Jedi had fucken muppets. I'll engage you to a debate anytime tough guy. You aren't fooling me one bit. You've shown what a supreme ass you are all by yourself so I know not to take you seriously. You wanna talk about gay? I think your a fucken flamer for even saying anything like "Purple headed microphone." Jackass. Keep claiming to hate Star Wars all you want. Its funny that you just can't stop posting and talking about it thou huh? You prove my point with each post you make moron. "I'll be here and so will you." I know I will. Thanks for admiting you will to. Your a Star Wars geek to the highest power and trying to show off and be cool to your dork friends by Lucas hating. "Watch how I comeback now guys. This will be great!" I'm sure you love reading your own posts so much you'll reply here at least a dozen more times before moving onto the next thread. Just remember "fanboy". Keep shitting on Lucas and you'll never be invited to the ranch. LOL! Jackass.

  • March 7, 2002, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Jedi vs Hobbits, give it a rest

    by RedScab

    I am amazed by the way people have taken sides and all this trash talk is making me sick. I love Star Wars and I love the Lord of the Rings. I read the books when I was very young and I saw the orginal Star Wars trilogy when I was a child as well. I don't see the need to pick a side and do battle with the other. We are all mature adults here. Plus ask yourself one question Lucas haters: Lucas paved the way for special effect films. Could FOTR have been made without the accomplishments of Lucasfilm and ILM??? And on the flip side would we even have fantasy fiction/science fiction around without the contirbutions of JRR Tolkien, Frank Herbert and other early sci-fi writers??? All good art is influenced by other forms of art, why can't you people understand that simple concept. Yes I was also disappointed by TPM, but it did have it's moments and it is just the first of three acts. So why can't we all just focus on the good in both SW and LOTR and enjoy them both.

  • March 7, 2002, 7:24 p.m. CST

    MikeSal222 makes a great point

    by JMYoda

    It would have been easy as hell to make a ten-min demo reel of TPM and make it look like the greatest movie ever. Heck that's what the two TPM trailers did. Back then we also had Harry and the AICN cumming all over themselves with how awesome the script was and how great the footage looked, just like they're doing now with AOTC. Which is why I won't trust them now. I really think they're just sucking up to LFL... However I more then anyone would love for AOTC to be a REAL kick-ass Star Wars flick but I'm not going to get my hopes up at all after the TPM debacle. I'll go opening day to give it a fair shot and to see my namesake bust his bad-ass moves (I hope to God it comes off as cool and not silly. Lucas has gotten painfully obsessed with "the cutes" in his middle-age.) However the only film I'm counting the days down to is "The Two Towers". If AOTC is as shoddy as TPM Peter Jackson our only hope...

  • March 7, 2002, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Lukecash cut the fanboy crap!

    by JMYoda

    I'm sick of fanboys like you who realize that defending TPM based on it's merits is an impossible task so you decide to attack those who see it for the shoddy film it is telling them they're not REAL Star Wars fans. That is fanboy bullshit at it's worst. I've been a die-hard Star Wars fanatic for 25 years. I've seen the holy trilogy well over a thousand times. I have a massive Star Wars collection that would make a fanboy shit like you cream your BVDs and pass out from envy. I know everything there is to know about the OT, both the mythology and the behind the scenes. I've written numerous stories and articles based on Star Wars. Now there is no way in hell that some little fanshit like you can tell me or anyone like me that we're not true Star Wars fans if we don't love TPM and the rest of the prequels. Yes it IS George's saga and yes he can do whatever he damn well pleases with it but it doesn't mean we have to like it. And it doesn't mean if we don't we're any less a fan of the original trilogy. He's the one who has changed and gone all kiddy on us. He's the one who wants to mess with the OT until he no longer resembles the films we fell in love with. Greedo fired first my ass. Just check the novelazation (co-penned by Lucas) the script (by Lucas) and the FIRST filming of the scene on the BTM CD-ROM. Han ALWAYS fired first. Then there's how Lucas claims SW was always meant to be kiddie films yet in a recent interview Spielberg said that Lucas said back in '76 that his worst fear was ANH would come out looking like a kiddie film. Then there's how he'll go on and on about the deeper meaning behind the success of Star Wars and how he's always wanted to create a modern day mythology then when he's asked about how bad TPM was he starts saying "It's only a kids movie" "It's suppose to be bad." UGH. Oh yeah and "the critics never did like Star Wars" Oh yeah Mr. Lucas that's why "Star Wars: ANH" and "Empire" both got rave reviews in their day and even "Jedi" got mostly strong reviews.... Lucas was once a cinematic genius but all signs now point to him becoming a revisionist hack. I can only hope AOTC and Episode 3 proves me wrong.

  • March 7, 2002, 9 p.m. CST

    and answer for dorante and a comment for Renata

    by JMYoda

    As a life-long fan of both Star Wars and Tolkien's middle-earth universe I feel qualified to answer your question. If FOTR had been the huge disappointment that TPM was I would care even less about the TTT then I do about AOTC. The reason I say even less is because I'm at least giving Lucas one more chance based on my love for the disappointment, The Ewok movies, Willow, The Indy Jones movies (I even like Temple of Doom) and the Young Indy Jones TV Show. Even with that I'm only giving AOTC a chance because some where inside this big and tall, bearded 26 y/o man there is a 5 y/o little kid who after seeing ANH about 12 times and getting all the SW toys that came out went to see 'Empire" in 1980 and had the most profound experience of his young life which lead to a life-long love for "a Galaxy far far away" and a little wise muppet named Yoda. It's for him I still hold out a faint hope AOTC might be good. However since I only *liked* Jackson's previous works had FOTR been as weak as TPM I would care shit less about TTT and just stick with the books. Thankfully however FOTR was brilliant so I'm very excited for part two. When I saw FOTR in Dec it was like being that 5 y/o little kid seeing 'Empire' for the first time since I was seeing something I had loved all my life for the first time on the big screen. And yes Renata I DO have a life. I don't see why a devout love for film would preclude anyone from having a life. As a fellow lover of film can't you just be happy when people find a new film they truly and dearly love without telling them to "get a life"? Plus if *you* had anymore of a life then the rest of us you wouldn't be here at film-geek central posting now would you?

  • March 7, 2002, 9:04 p.m. CST

    re:and answer for dorante and a comment for Renata

    by JMYoda

    For some reason my spell check changed OT to disapointment. Doh And WTF is up with the TB order?

  • March 7, 2002, 10:46 p.m. CST

    NO words to describe it.

    by ball''''''s

    I HAVE NO WORDS TO DISCRIBE THIS. bongggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

  • March 8, 2002, 12:37 a.m. CST


    by JMYoda

    The line is "I dunno, they where jammies! They had Yodas and shit on 'em" God I love that movie.

  • March 14, 2002, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Phantom Menace Bad??

    by doppleganger35

    How can a movie that became the second highest grossing movie of all time be bad? I just dont get it. It may not have lived up to the original Star Wars, but it still kicked ass.