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SUM OF ALL FEARS Trailer Online Now And In Theaters Friday!!
Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.
I know many of you are already pissy about this film because of the casting of Ben Affleck in a role that Harrison Ford has played so well for so many years now. Personally, I never really liked the Ford/Ryan films. I think THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER remains the one true class act in the series, the only one of the films to work as a whole. There's plenty of room for reinterpretation of what has always been a fairly bland character, more a device for political thrillers than a real character. The idea of going back to see how someone becomes Jack Ryan, how someone ends up being that person whispering in the ear of the person with his finger on the button... that's interesting to me. And Affleck might just have what it takes to pull it off.
At least, he might based on what you see in the trailer for the film, which is currently an exclusive over on Yahoo! Movies.
HERE'S THE LINK TO THE TRAILER NOW!!
This film, more than any other, will be the real test to see what sort of tolerance level audiences have for thrillers in which terrorism play a major role. There are scenes in this movie that might still cut to close to the bone for some audiences. I trust Phil Alden Robinson, though, and I think this looks like it might be a worthy entry into this oddball franchise. I certainly plan to give it every chance when it is released.
So what did YOU think?
"Moriarty" out.
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Back when I thought he was a consistently good actor, his Jack Ryan was a fantastic reluctant action hero. Harrison just looked bloated.
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I refuse to see this movie since they PC'ed the story and turned the radical Islamic terrorists from the book (which are very realistic considering) into unbelievable European neo-Nazis.
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Affleck is too young to carry this torch. With him, Jack Ryan is so unbelievable because of his age. What is Affleck? 28 y/o? Geez...I think we have another Alias coming our way. Alias has this grad student who was recruited into an agency, and works for another as an insider. Come on...youth does NOT equal experience and credibility. Alias sucks because it is so unrealistic, but I don't know how much this will suck...I guess I have to look at the trailer.---___KNEEL___---
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I like Affleck. But I knoe for a fact that the following talkback is going to be a roast. Ah well. Anyways.. I still REALLY want to see "Without Remorse" done. MUCH better story, probably easier to fit into 3 hours than one of these Terrorist books. If you read "Clear and Present Danger" and then see the movie...It's amazing how it's chopped to bits.
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I never really liked the Jack Ryan movies as a whole. I dont think that who playes in them is very important either. It seems to me that he is just a character that leads to the action. We dont care for the character but rather how the plot unfolds.
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Feb 28, 2002 9:43:50 PM CST
It certainly conveys that whole "CIA-Ultra-Top-Secret" mentality
by llghtst0rmer
...after all, thanks to the ever-shitty Windows media player running the ever-shittier streaming video, instead of seeing Jack Ryan, I saw JACK SHIT! I see nothing, I know nothing. How's that for top-secret?
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Yes, it was I who emailed ya, Harry, about the Yahoo page posting the very first trailer for the newest Jack Ryan thriller 'The Sum Of All Fears' and it was I who tried to get an online petition going well over a year ago to 'Bring Back Baldwin'. You credited me as Adm. James Greer.
Now, my prayers have been answered. Jack Ryan is Back. I know there'll be a lot of naysayers who have no faith in Ben Affleck in the role. I think, since Harrison Ford passed on it, we should embrace the young guy and see what he's got planned for the franchise. Who cares if he's a goof ball or just 28. The producers told us, well in advance, that this is a re-invention of the character. There's nothing wrong with that. All that means is we'll have a lot more years of Jack Ryan, whereas Ford would take years to decide if he's going to do a project. Still pisses me off that it took him 6 years to decide not to continue with it.
Alec Baldwin is still the best but he elected to do Broadway instead of continue with the character. Harrison Ford is starting not to be believable in these roles so the only logical move now was to re-invent the character.
If Tom Clancy is going to sell out his franchise with hokey plotlines or stupid titles ('Red Rabbit???'), then maybe producer Mace Neufeld just might do it justice. Let's give the kid a chance, never mind the hum-drum, typical internet trashing which could just as well be cut and paste jobs on any movie.
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By the way, 'Red Rabbit' is the name of Tom Clancy's next Jack Ryan novel, due out this August. The story is set just after 'Patriot Games' and before 'Hunt For Red October'. It's about the Soviets who initiate a plan to assassinate Pope John Paul II. Ryan finds out, tries to prove it and prevent it.
Apparently, Clancy will release his final Jack Ryan novel in August 2004, code-named HITS. I don't know what that 'code-named HITS' means, that's all they'll say.
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That's all I gotta say on the trailer. I might feel more impeled to comment if it were on sexy Quicktime, but on Relaplayer i can just vent my hate for that platform.
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Seriously though, looks pretty good. Kick ass trailer. And I liked Field of Dreams and Sneakers (a lot), so I'll give this one a chance. Hope they pull it off. Besides, Morgan Freeman is always good in everything (even if the movie doesn't deserve him) and I think Ben's acting in Amy and Dogma was dead on. Didn't read the book, so no pre-judgements here and I'm optimistic.
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Similar career paths or what?
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I'm really not sure about this one. I'm a Clancy fan, and I liked the book, but I'm also a big "book is always better than the movie" advocate. I was never a big fan of Ford as Ryan, because I saw that as basically signing a big star because he's a big star and not because he'd be a good fit as that character. If anyone has read the book, they know that in it Ryan is grizzled and overworked. He's drinking too much and he feels like he's getting too old for his job. I wasn't sure how Affleck would fit that, but I at least like the fact that they seem to have reworked the timeframe to make it a bit more feasible. It looked like the same actor playing the president from Clear and Present, so it'd put it before that movie, making Ryan younger anyway. I'm usually the first one to attack a movie for making such huge changes, but that's better than trying to get me to believe that Affleck is older than Ford was last time we saw him as Ryan. Time will tell, as always. I guess I can give this one a try.
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No matter what you read was the official reason why Ford is out of this project, it's completely false. Harrison Ford was removed from the role with a behind-the-scenes deal made between Hollywood manager player Mike Ovitz, his client Tom Clancy and Sherry Lansing of Paramount Pictures. I've been carrying this secret around now for two years. If anyone wants to know more, e-mail me, and I will give a more detailed version. Shame.
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Oh, and I agree with the previous poster about Without Remorse. It is easily Clancy's best novel. Somebody needs to get off their ass and make this damn movie.
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Whenever Affleck speaks in this trailer, it undermines the sophistication that is supposed to accompany a Tom Clancy novel. I just don't believe Affleck in this role. But even worse is his buddy Matt Damon in The Bourne Identity. I generally like Damon better than Affleck, but Bourne Identity looks really bad. I've read the BI novel and the film looks seriously miscast...too many youngsters.
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just thought i'd set the record straight
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I am a big Clancy fan. And I was sooooooooo pissed they PC'ed the movie because some babe at the company didnt want to hurt the feelings of mid eastern americans. Well whaaaaa. Suck on your pasifer some more. Where was I oh yea. The trailer looked kick ass. Aflack is lame. Dept of Honor is next. I bet they make the jumbo jet crashing into the capital a Yugo, driven by a right wing gun nut, car bomb that blows up a NOW office. Stupid woman. I'd like to knock some sence into her damn head!!!
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If you are lucky the story survives. But I don't know precisely how they are working this out. Let's see how it makes out.
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Mar 01, 2002 12:12:22 AM CST
as far as sensitivity issues, this film cant be worse then colla
by lelon
so i dont really see an issue. Ford vs Baldwin? It'd be a close call if Ford only did one movie, but two spectacular movies? No contest
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Honestly, i'm looking more forward to Matt Damon's Spy movie, whose name I can't remember right now. A movie that has already been made, but was awful. Robert Ludlum! All his book titles were wack!! The Cassandra Compact, The Prometheus Deception... AH, "The Bourne Identity". i think. there were quite a few Bourne books. Should be good. I really liked The Apocalypse Watch. whateva. Harrison Ford is Jack Ryan.
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If Baldwin was a better Jack Ryan, then why is Harrison Ford considered the standard? I'm sorry I've read the Clancy books since I was 13 (19 now), and in my eyes Ford WAS Jack Ryan, maybe a little too old but oh well. Prepare to flame me or make me eat hot pockets, but I think Affleck will do a good job here. He has that all american male humor and charm about him. Baldwin was a horrible Jack Ryan, he played everything Like a foppish pretty boy scholar, whereas Ford played it as an iconic "everyman" put into extraordinary situations.
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That was the most information jammed into an ad that I've seen in a long while. It really looked quite great, can't wait.
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It was already done as a tv mini series years ago. Julia Stiles as a secret agent? Yeah, right. The only actor worth seeing in this film is Clive Owen and he steals the movie from Damon. When are people going to learn you just can't keep throwing money at a bad in film in order to fix it.
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Mar 01, 2002 1:44:36 AM CST
More Hollywood BS PC pussyfooting. Why change the Arab terrorist
by the_lion
Hollywood is a bunch of gays and bitches, no wonder they can't make a real military action movie.
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Mar 01, 2002 2:17:26 AM CST
Apart from your snippy comment, Christopher, Quaid would rock as
by cash bailey
I love Affleck in Kevin Smith flicks but in anything else he comes across like a total ham-bone.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't SUM OF ALL FEARS(the book) have the villians as ARAB TERRORISTS?? If so, doesn't having them as Nazis in the movie make Paramount's sum of testicles zero? CAN WE AT LEAST BE ACCURATE AND HONEST ABOUT WHO THE TERRORISTS REALLY ARE???? I'm sorry if it offends good-meaning Arabs, and I'm not defending Nazism at all, but the fact is the WTC wasn't destroyed by the NEO-NAZI'S!!! While Neo-Nazi's are definately evil people, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE that they have the skill, the will, or the means to carry out an attack of nuclear magnitude. 9-11 proved that Islamic Fundamentalist Arabs do have the skill, the means, and the motivation to attack the U.S. and Israel with such devestation. Clancy knew that when he wrote it and Paramount sold him out.
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What about the dude who acted as james dean on some made for tv show a while back? 'Coz Ben Affleck sorta got that frat boy image, not your CIA analyticaly type. He's not introspective enough, I guess? Trailer reminded me of a generation-x's take on the whole Clancy novel, which sucks since these Clancy movies work because of their subtleties and pacing--much slower than your typical MTVish movies. Who knows after watching shit like Pearl Harbor, Affleck could only go up baby!!!
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I.e. NOT VERY.
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I mean, in the book, it was an Isreali nuke that got lost when a plane crashed. What are they going to do for the movie? Buy it from the "all-powerful Russian Mafia"?!?!
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With every Jack Ryan book I've read it's Baldwin I picture, not Ford. IMHO, Ford was not good for that role. Too whiny. Han Solo? Indiana Jones? Yes, yes. Jack Ryan? No.
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Obviously the story here has caved in to the conventions of political correctness. But, remember the terrorists due manage to succesfully detonate the nuke during the super bowl. Can you imagine the backlash against pandering terror hysteria? Scaring people is one thing, depriving them of sleep is quite another. Even entertainment disguised as hyper-real political thrillers must have a conscience.
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Talk about plot inconsistency - can anyone, anyone give me a valid explanation for why European neo-Nazis would want to quote-unquote "Rekindle the Cold War"? Deep-seeded vengeance for WWII? Come on, that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.
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What the hell is that all about? They are 98 years old,and will have a 100 year celebration in 2004.Why the hell are they celebrating their "90th" anniversity,when their not even 90 years old.Anyway,Ben Affleck's cool and "Sum of All Fears" does have promise.
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Is is me or are posters getting dumber?
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Ok, I will admit I am a huge Harrison Ford fan, and when I first red The Hunt For Red October, I immmediately envisoned him as Jack Ryan. I think I always will. When I buy and Read "Red Rabbit" this summer, I will envision Harrison Ford as Ryan.
That being said, I think Affleck can do the job and deserves a chance. Obviously, The Sum of All Fears movie will be totally different from the book, it probably should even have a different title. But when Ford, at age 60 (almost?), backed out, a good idea was to go with a younger actor and "reinvent" Jack Ryan, so to speak. Now, if this introduction finds Ryan as a young CIA dude, with some self doubt maybe, and a young guy not really taken seriously at first by the Prez and upper brass, then I think Affleck is a good choice. Let's see what he can do. I think the trailer looked pretty good. I am not against Affleck being a young Jack Ryan. As for Daredevil, well, that's a different story..... -
I don't know if Ben Affleck can pull this off, but at least he's not long in the tooth like Ford. However, Clancy's worst novel (whatever you think) is still far better than the best movie adaptation (Hunt for Red October). The myriad ways they've changed SoaF around for the movie version must make it the suckiest adaptation of all damned time. And I'm not just talking about trying to avoid pissing off the whole Muslim world either. Fucking arrogant Hollywood shitheads. Clancy himself should have done the script for a mini-series on HBO.
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Mar 01, 2002 11:37:53 AM CST
Only white racists make realistic villains in the fantasy land t
by falstaff
As far as I am concerned, Neo-Nazi
fascists can burn in hell. However, I am convinced that that
movement consists of about 10 inbred idiots living in a shack in
rural Idaho. Meanwhile, 75 percent of people in the Arab world believe that Jews are responsible for the WTC and Pentagon attacks and that there
are a lot of them who would like
to see a nuke go off during the
Superbowl. It is obvious that
these spineless Hollywood bastards think that only white, racists make good villains. I am
glad to see that my fellow geek brothers and sisters see through
this crap.
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Mar 01, 2002 12:49:22 PM CST
Nope, sorry, Ford's a great actor, but Baldwin set Ryan'
by the killer-goat
And Harrison may have 2 Ryan movies but that don't make each one as good as Red October, which is still the Holy Grail of the series.
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They changed the Islamic terrorists to NEONAZIS? Why the heck would neonazis want to nuke the Super Bowl? The end of the book has the President deciding to wildly nuke the Middle East in retaliation and Jack Ryan talking him out of it. Making the terrorists neonazis totally ruins the end dynamic of the story! God, what typical Hollywood pandering. I'm right in the target demographic for this movie: young male, Tom Clancy fan, Ben Affleck fan. But because of this PC crap, I refuse to see this movie. I hope the reduced box office for this film was worth the ass kissing of the Muslim activists. PS: This is even worse than what they did with "Rising Sun," making the killer an American instead of Japanese.
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...until it becomes available in Quicktime. I've just become too fed up with streaming shit. Haha or maybe I'll just watch the trailer in the theaters.
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Mar 01, 2002 2:04:28 PM CST
Sum of All Fears on TBS Sun @11:35am on "Guys Who Like Movies "
by travisbickleny
Sum of All Fears (2003) Dir: Phil Alden Robinson. Starring Ben Affleck, Don Swayze, Brigitte Nielson, Keith David, Joe Don Baker, John Amos, Kathleen Keegan
Frank Zagarino, Jason Mewes, Mako, Cher, Topol, and Guy Donovan as Chuck Norris. Ben Affleck stars as Jack Ryan in this fourth installment of Tom Calncy thrillers. This time a rogue ex-KGB agent (Jason Mewes) kidnaps the President (Keegan) and brainwashes her into believing she's a Scientologist. Ryan and Team Megaforce led by Mako and Don Swayze, go into Kahzistan for a rescue, but all hell breaks loose when team Sgt. Chuck Norris (Donovan) goes nuts and unleashes mutant killer woodchucks in Los Angeles. Who will Ryan save first? Features an unbilled Adrian Zmed as Vice President Walters; the climatic battle between Affleck and Donovan in Downtown Glendale was choreographed by Yuen Woo Ping.
Originally titled, BOUNCE 2:BOUNCE HARDER. Title song "Live Free or Die" sung by Frank Stallone ** 103min Irish w/English Subtitles. -
This was my favorite of the Clancy books when it came out, although it's since been surpassed by others (actually, everything except Rainbow Six and The Bear and The Dragon). It's such a shame that they had to PC this up. For the record, though, that decision had been made long before 9/11. Whether that makes the decision more defensible or less is debatable. I'm not crazy about Afflek, but then again, I can't stand Alec Baldwin but I thought his turn as Jack Ryan was the best by far. Stil, I'm going to try to resist seeing this, because the p.c. think really pisses me off (whaddya want to bet that if they ever get around to making movies of the books when Ryan is President, he won't be a Republican anymore?). I also have trouble with the fact that they're going so young with the character. It seems like in the movie Ryanverse, they're going to make SoaF he big formative experience of Ryan's life. I'm not sure I like that. In the books, it's Patriot Games' foiled assasination of the royals that first set Ryan down the road to greatness. I find it interesting, by the way, that Clancy's next book will go back to when Ryan was younger. Could he be purposely setting this up for selling the movie rights? I dunno.
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Although I don't get the point of having a big blowout for just a 90th anniversary. It's like someone saying proudly they're turning the big 3-7. Most studios change their logos and go all out on something more traditional like their 75th anniversary, like Warner Bros. and MGM. But still, I'm relieved we get a much better looking Paramount logo with the whole shebang! And I was so sick of the old one, too! It was so boring compared to other logos, and it didn't even have its own sound! The Paramount Classics logo was better than that! But luckily, this one looks much better. Can't wait to see it in its entirety!
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This was changed before 9/11 when no one was allowed to say that there were actually Arab Terrorists. So they replaced them with.....NEO NAZIS.
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Mar 01, 2002 5:33:53 PM CST
Quaid WOULD SO ROCK as Jack Ryan! get rid of that ass face Affle
by superhero
Next movie MUST be Dennis Quaid! THAT I'D GO SEE!!!! Not this teeny bopper dreck...:OP
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Maybe not many people know this, but Clancy *hated* Ford's Jack Ryan. There was a very public feud between the two because of this. After Affleck as been casted, Clancy commented quite positively on having Affleck as a young Ryan. Clancy did said that his favorite Ryan is Alec Baldwin (no doubt since he doesn't like Ford), but he said that he has met with Affleck and he hopes he'd succeed. And Clancy did get alot more input in this latest Jack Ryan movie than the previous 3. I'm willing to give this movie a chance because I think Affleck can pull it off.
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Seems like they're totally butchering book and....he approves?
First they re-write it to be "the young Jack Ryan chronicles", they put Neo Nazis(so....lame....)in instead of Islamic terrorist and it looks like ol' jack's seeing some action in this movie(I don't even think Jack left is desk in "SOAF")
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You think it's just peachy to gut a book as long as you have the author's okay? Oh, and I'm sure the 10 million pieces of paper with George Washington's face on them the studio gave Tom Clancy for the movie rights didn't have anything to with his agreeability? The "great Neonazi terrorist threat against America"? Give me a frickin' break...
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I agree the whole neo-nazi/arab terrorist switheroo thing sucks. But let's not forget another critical error made in the movie. The trailer suggests 1) Jack has just joined the CIA and 2) Cathy is not happy about it.
Are we that stupid? Hello, Jack has been with the CIA since "Patriot Games." He joined to protect his family from the ULA terrorists. Cathy knew and approved. Jack was also in the CIA in "The Hunt for Red October" and "Clear and Present Danger", not to mention "The Cardinal of the Kremlim." I know changes have to be made converting a novel to a screenplay but this is just plain insulting to anyone whose ever read the novels or seen the movies. -
Made for tv, miniseries. Dir: Henry Winkler.[2002]Based on Clancy's lesser known book, this time our hero Ryan [Joshua Jackson] intercepts a mysterious Fed Ex package intended for the Vice President [Don Johnson].Tracing the package's records leads Ryan onto a deadly trail,one that could get him killed. Part Two: Jack Ryan discovers the Fed Ex Package's origins which leads him to a Filipino warehouse that specializes in hard core adult entertainment. Adrain Zmed plays ace NY Times reporter Joey 'Meat' Lampone who helps Ryan with the case. Cast: President Donovan: Judge Reinhold. Mrs. Jack Ryan : Melissa Joan Hart. CIA Chief Ramos:George Segal. Kido : B.D. Wong. Smiling Sam:Cheech Marin.
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I don't like Affleck at all, but to be honest I think Moriarty is right. The character isn't that interesting, he's just a plot device. Jack Ryan wasn't the main character of The Hunt for Red October, and he was barely in Clear and Present Danger. The movies pushed him to the foreground so there could be a main protagonist with whom the audience could relate and empathize in the middle of all the plot and intrigue. Recasting him yet again isn't relevant because, obviously, there is no continuity from film to film. I do think Baldwin was more Jack Ryan than Harrison Ford, and that Affleck won't hold a candle to either one of them. But Morgan Freeman is in this movie, so I'm going to see it.
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As described in the book, that is what Jack Ryan should look like. Anyone but not Ben Affleck.
Peter Reigert looked more like Jack Ryan in 'Local Hero' than Ben Affleck will ever come across.
Are male leading men in Hollywood relegated only to Affleck, Damon, Cruise and the WB crowd (James Van Der Beek etc). Is this the best they could do? "Let's give Daredevil to Affleck, "Oh yeah Affleck will being in the young crowd to Jack Ryan," - bullshit. The man doesn't have the GRAVITAS to be taken seriiously as a CIA analyst.
As fer all yer bitching about HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER being a great Jack Ryan showcase, that's bullshit, it was Connery's movie and Ryan had a minor role (which is one reason why Harrison Ford turned it down - yes he was offered the role BEFORE Baldwin).
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Harrison Ford turned down 'Hunt For Red October' because it was too political, had nothing to do with Connery's presence because Klaus Maria Brandaur was originally cast in the Marco Ramius role.
When Ford was offered the role he turned it down, Alec Baldwin received it. He was to co-star with Brandaur, until Sean Connery accepted the role. The producers paid off Brandaur to step aside. By this time, Baldwin was already attached. He was commented as saying "Now, nobody will look at me in this movie", regarding his hair piece and outfit.
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It would be interesting to know how much money the two Ford JACK RYAN movies have made to date. Does anyone really care about this character? We're not talking about JAMES BOND here. I read six or seven Clancy novels in my time (as well as a half-dozen or so Ludlum novels). Frankly, I had trouble finishing many of them. They are all ponderous and/or overly detailed. Having said that, I must admit the movie version of HUNT was amazing for its time. But that had a lot to do with Connery, and less with Baldwin (and I am a big Baldwin fan). The Ford JACK RYAN films were okay, but just okay. They do not stand up well to repeated viewings. I'm thinking it doesn't matter who plays Ryan at this point. The franchise such as it is appears to be played out.
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