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Reinhart looks at the nearly 4 Minute Trailer For LORD OF THE RINGS: THE TWO TOWERS!!! WAY COOL!!!

Hey folks, Harry here... This is the first report I've seen anywhere on the trailer that New Line has decided to freaking bless us with on the tail end of FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING, come the end of this month or next... How do I know this report isn't total malarky? Well the same source sent me some rather cool stuff at NEW LINE in regards to a film I've been trying to get more info on called SECONDHAND LIONS. SECONDHAND LIONS is a screenplay by Tim McCanlies (who wrote THE IRON GIANT) and I've heard that it is moving at New Line, but I can't get Tim to talk about it with me, as he's playing all coy with me this time out. But Reinhart here sent me the script last week and told me that the script has recently been sent to Ian McKellen!!!! I'm about to read it, more on that later... But right now... Now I want to talk about this TWO TOWERS trailer.

Reinhart called me tonight excited as hell, apparently he'd just seen the damn thing and had to cry about how friggin cool it was. He went on and on, but I asked him to just write it all out to dish out to all of us. 4 minutes of TWO TOWERS footage... well, nearly 4 minutes. I'm so thankful that this isn't some fucking 2 minute or even worse the 1 minute teaser crap that would make going to see this film again anti-climatic. New Line has been so frickin the bomb recently with LORD OF THE RINGS, and obviously they know how to keep fans like us drooling and being the happy little farts that we are.

Remember that first extra long internet trailer they made just for us... This is just like that, and Bob Shaye and all those guys are just to be commended for serving us what we want... of course what we really want is TWO TOWERS on July 4th... um, make that February 4th, um I mean February 3rd. Heheheh... Reinhart tried to hum some of the new music, but he's an atonal lil cretin... but I love ya buddy! (that's me hoping for my preview copy of the super FOTR dvd months early! hehehe!) Well, till we see this nearly 4 minute beauty, here's the meanest muther in New Line's world...

Hey Harry, your pal Reinhart here. You may remember me, the beast who names the rose, ha ha ha. Or you may remember that I called you this afternoon and in the past have sent you some goodies you requested. Well I am back with THE NEWS YOU ARE CRAVING!!!!

Prepare to turn green with envy, after you read this people are gonna think you just walked off Ang Lee's set, my hulking friend.

I have just seen a version (not sure if its the final one or even if its PJ's) of the Two Towers trailer New Line is going to be adding onto the end of the Fellowship!!!!!

It runs at nearly four minutes and all I can say is the scale of this one makes Fellowship look like a trip to Austin, (no offense - but the landscape don't change there buddy) Having said that it starts small on a shot of Aragorn picking up I think it is the leaf Merry drops ... but then it gets racing!

This is from memory and one viewing so I can only give impressions. Gandalf the White is in!!!! I was worried they'd try and hide the fact that he returns but oh my God - what a transformation. Except for the eyes McKellen looks nothing like Gandalf the Grey even his voice is changed (they use some dialogue which I don't know if it's in the books or not but is setting up the Two Towers title). I recognized some of the music from Fellowship but I think some of it may be new! They show all the new characters and the one that most impressed me was Bernard Hill (again huge relief because Theoden son of Thengel has to be the greatest character as yet unseen). They use a poem from him over a collection of shots that gave me the chills.

You see Uruks that look like they're at the start of the Helms Deep battle, and at least 3 shots of the real battle. It looks just as I imagined from the book, but the shots I saw had unfinished FX, but should be incredible. Arwen is seen. And Eowyn, who does some mean swings with a sword. There was a quick shot of Pippin on a tree that I think was Treebeard or some other Ent, but the shot was unfinished again.

Lots of shots of Viggo as they seem to be setting up the whole King thing and not so many of Frodo and Sam but what is there looks incredible. Elijah Wood has aged which is impossible to believe but true, he looks like he's disintegrating before your eyes.

I know everyone will want to know about Gollum and I don't want to give the ending away because it is so cool but let me just say have faith. What I saw look to be unfinished footage but I have faith that Weta is not about to drop the ball on this one and the voice -- the voice does it for me every time "the thieves, the filthy little thieves!!!!!" This is it! I watched it and I can't believe it is happening. It ain't over. PJ fucking rocks!!!!!

BTW, Guillermo Del Toro has just reshot two new amazing little character moments including one in a helicopter and man -- it just gets the juices flowing!

Harry, I leave you with one last thought .....

Can you blush? hehehe Remember that!


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  • Feb. 3, 2002, 8:06 a.m. CST

    This Is The Greatest News, Ever....

    by EricAlan69

    ....and I'm going to explode waiting for the end of the year. // e.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 8:14 a.m. CST


    by AliceInWonderlnd

    (Insert screaming girly noises...) Though isn't it a tad early for Elijah Wood to disintegrate? There's like another film to go. Anyway, when is this bad boy happening? Will it be shown in England? I mean, will FOTR still be on in cinemas in another month or so? It's already been out for two months which is a long time for a movie here. That said, Harry Potter is still on here so I should worry less, I suppose.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Stern and LOTR

    by Kort Villikon

    I will go see this. I was supprised that Howard Stern HATED LOTR. He usually LOVES movies like this....

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 8:20 a.m. CST

    re:Greatest thing ever

    by 60091

    For me the greatest thing ever would be for me to win the LOTTO or POWERBALL..... ..... but this news of this trailer for the Two Towers would definitely be a close second. It gives me another reason to see the Fellowship again. I'm more excited with this Lord of The Rings sequel than I am with the next Star Wars one. I never thought I would say that about Star Wars.

  • From the announcement that they will be issuing both a bare-bones AND a Super DVD ahead of their releases (thus avoiding the "I got screwed again!" cries from fans who got suckered into buying 2 editions of the same flick -- just happened again with Groundhog Day) to the monumental decision to slip in extra footage this early in the game, they should be an example to all other studioes in how to stoke the fires of enthusiasm. Don't screw the fans or threaten them -- work with them, because they are the base of the films' economic success, the reason some properties even appear to be attractive prospects in the first place. Don't shut down fan sites, integrate them into your campaigns (the way The One Ring is the official unofficial site), and above all TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT. We all want a project, and even those of us who bitch and moan and gripe about petty stuff, I believe even they, all of us want to see a perfect vision on the screen. FOTR may not be perfect, but my God I love this film for the dedication that shows in every frame, the integrity, the inventiveness and grace and joy in bringing this series to life. Once again, props to New Line. May they option other wonderful projects in the future. Also to DeLuca, who is as far as I know the only true suit who is also a fanboy. Peace.

  • it only took 4 posts but oh well i hope they show it in the uk too i want to see the film again for a 6th time lol any excuse i sooooo know this movie will rock but a 11 months is a long time to wait i dunno if i can manage i gotta keep telling myself that everything will be ok and if they change the title of the film im going to kill someone im not sure who yet but i will

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Actually, it's 10 and a half months...

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    Not sad enough to actually count the days yet, but it's a close thing.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Yee-hah grandma

    by deathwish6

    I've not been this excited since they bunged a trailer for 'The Four Musketeers' on the end of 'The Three Musketeers', and then I only had to wait a week till the next one was on t.v. A whole eleven months, My child-like brain won't cope. Starwars and Spiderman may ease the pain, but not much.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 8:43 a.m. CST

    They Are Coming!!!

    by trava

    The sequels to LOTR:FOTR!!! TTT and ROTK!!! Oh man this is gonna be great but I hope this teaser trailer gets up on the official site because not everybody lives in the US!:) But its still fucking GREAT or as the Crocodile Hunter would say: ITS BEAUTIFUL!!!:)))))))))))))

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Howard Stern can kiss my wookie

    by PJM

    Bring on the new trailer! In the meantime I shall sacrifice chickens on the New Line altar...

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Bernard Hill

    by Miss Aura

    Bernard Hill is an underrated actor and is one of Britain's best. I am glad to see him in this film and hopefully he will gain parts which equal the greatness of his acting. Anyone who wants to witness Bernard should check out "Boys from the Blackstuff" which was a brilliant drama back in the 80's. The man is a great actor and I wish him all the best.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 9:18 a.m. CST


    by abcdefz1

    God bless you. That was aces.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 9:28 a.m. CST

    The fire is stoked again...

    by ToyMachine

    Let this be the harbinger for other films...You...cannot...suck! The bar has been raised. I find myself comparing all other films now to LOTR. The feeling that I get with that film just stick with me. I keep replaying scenes over and again in my head. This is too much.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 9:31 a.m. CST

    *shakes head*

    by Shad0wfax

    At least let the first one get out of the cinema...

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Wooo Hoooo!!

    by teapot

    YAY! this is gonna rock.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Where's the link so we can see it?

    by ewem

    Why the hell am I going to sit here and READ about it when I can go and SEE it! Show, don't tell!!!!

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 10:19 a.m. CST

    FOTR is the best movie ever made

    by Warlord92

    I cant fucking wait for TTT. I'm gonna go crap myself now. HAIL PETER JACKSON!!!!!!!

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 10:24 a.m. CST

    "FOTR is the best movie ever made"

    by RulingRing

    No, TTT is now in the "ever made" category.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 10:54 a.m. CST

    4 minutes - Too much information?

    by wilko185

    Oh, who gives a damn? This sounds fucking cool. Yay, Pippin's dropped broach is in! And of course Bernard Hill is going to be good as Theoden. Some poetry from Theoden too? OK, why not? The title "explained"? More than the book did, though Elrond's "You shall be.... the Fellowship of the Ring!" was slightly cheesy. (And I don't want RoTK to have Beregond on the Minas Tirith battlements pointing in awe as Aragorn enters the city and say "It's .... The Return of the King!"). Eowyn figting at Helms Deep? Hmmmmmmm, well, I guess.... (better than Arwen doing it anyway). She has to be there at least, anyway, as Dunharrow is written out, with Helms Deep taking its role (so it's where Aragorn sets off on the Paths of the Dead). This Eowyn swordplay kind of detracts from later events though doesn't it? Elves at Helms Deep? Bring em on baby! :)

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 11 a.m. CST

    When I say "too much" I mean

    by wilko185

    they've got the cojones to show Gollum AND Treebeard AND Gandalf the White AND the battle at Helms Deep.... But then you've gotta think, the destruction of Orthanc is waiting in the wings..... and Shelob. Oh yes, Shelob is waiting for us this Christmas.....

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 11:04 a.m. CST

    So, do you want to see what some of the new characters are costu

    by JackBurton

    Below is a link that should be of interest to you then, but first a word on Bernard Hill. I just want to say that the guy is a fantastic actor, and if any of you get the chance check out a not bad little British film called Going Off Big Time from a couple of years back, he rules that film with style and ease, even though he was only in about a third of the movie, and I'll be the first to predict that after his role as King Theoden he's going to be thought of as an acting God of Ian McKellan magnitude, with hopefully the kind of career opportunities that go with such status. I'm hoping anyway, an actor this good deserves to have a chance at his shot in the sun. ******************************************************************** Anyway enough of my ranting, here's a link that shows preview images of the Two Towers toyline from Toy Biz, which should give you some idea of what some of these characters are going to look like, such as Wormtongue for example, even if the pictures aren't the best of quality (taken from a poster source as they are). Check them out here, courtesy of, by way of (where I was made aware of them): Enjoy. :-)

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 11:12 a.m. CST

    that should have been just in case anyone was i

    by JackBurton

    Damn my lack of typing skills. :-)

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Own Your Own Balrog!

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    Thanks for the link, Mr Burton, that was way cool. I notice no Gollum or Shelob or otherwise terribly spoilerific toys. Mmmmm... Shelob. Funnily enough, I was thinking about the first teasers that came out for FOTR - I remember being quite underwhelmed - probably because hardly any of the dialogue used was Tolkien's (camera lingers on Galadriel's cheesy "Even the smallest person can change the course of the future." and I just thought, oh, fucking fabulous, dumbed-down Hollywoodized bastard-child LOTR. How wrong I was. On a side note, is anyone else incredibly freaked out and traumatized by today's cartoon Harry?

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 12:12 p.m. CST


    by trava

    Thanks for the link to those amazing pictures! PJ keeps us in wonder, those Uruk-Hai Beserkers look like Lurtz on acid!!! Kick Ass!!! Theoden, Eomer,...all awesome!!! But we gotta still wait until december! DAMN Well, it will be worth the wait and there are still Blade 2, Spiderman, SW:AOTC, and many more movies that come out before the cinematic event of the year 2002!!!:)))))

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Is N'sync and that Chucky guy going to be in it.

    by jedi_guy

    I was hoping LOTR was going to be a great film since there aren't many good movies been made anymore. But I hate to say it. It sucked too. I kept looking at my watch after 90 minutes into it. I noded off twice until the battle scene at the end. It wasn't a bad scene but I'd seen better. Then then film just stopped and the lights came on. WTF? No ending? I'm not going to see the next films and get milked for another 7.50. If PJ can't direct a movie and tell a decent story within 3 hours then forget it. Now ATOC will rule them all. SW kicks LOTR ass and everyone knows it.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Trailers for FOTR, Harry Cartoon and FUCKED UP TALKBACK!!!

    by trava

    AliceInWonderlnd I agree on that trailer(first theatrical) but all the others kicked ass!!! The internet trailer is a clasic, the second theatrical trailer(the one with the music of Hans Zimmer:The Power of One) was the best trailer since SW:TPM (yeah it kicked ass, more than the movie, and dont get me wrong I liked TPM but the trailer promised so much more! So maybe this is good for AOTC! Mediocre Trailer= Good Movie)! About the Harry Cartoon!!! HARRY please change it! Make a LOTR cartoon(maybe you being Frodo and get stabed by a NAZGUL or maybe the Cave trool(the fatesst motherfucker in Middle Earth))!!!:))))))))))) Oh and the TALKBACK is messed up so I dont know where this will end up!!!:(

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 1:45 p.m. CST

    oh i`m so happy

    by drjones

    woooooooww....reinhart the new-old star in the aicn spy sky!!!!!!

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 1:57 p.m. CST

    shameless plug...

    by molerocket

    ...for the following url

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 2:04 p.m. CST

    When will this hit the web?????

    by peejee

    Wow! That report gets the juices flowing! Anyone know if this footage will make it to the web and if so, WHEN?????

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 2:41 p.m. CST

    WHOAAAA - NELLLY! whoa...gettin a little Hostile there.

    by Justicer

    FOTR?! Wait, they made a movie about this? Dude, I am so there! J/k-The Two Towers WILL be amazing. Better than FOTR? Is that even possible?! ROTK?! Fuggheddaboudit. Now that that's done with -> In Other News: GEt THIS! I actually have a copy of FOTR> NO JOKE! It's a bootleg copy of course but the guy who did this thing is a genius(Jerry!). The Copy actually looks close to DVD quality, and it actually looks widescreen! It's all there! Don't you people understand?! Look: I can watch this thing on my Laptop. Whenever I want. For Free. Someone End me, I am too cool.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 3:03 p.m. CST

    the real sequel

    by Uga

    Screw Peter Jackson - I'm looking forward to "Snow Dogs 2." Those wacky mutts are at it again!

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 3:23 p.m. CST


    by Darth Melkor

    Why not go ahead and put it out with the movie? FOTR is about to drop from the top 10 so by March it may be gone alltogether. Seems like they should do it now to me anyway. I'm sure they want to wait till Oscar nominations though. Either way it sounds cool.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 3:28 p.m. CST

    You will never see this preview!

    by coop

    I hate to break it to you all but this version of the preview will never be seen by the masses. This is a clip for industry people only. Once they finish the effects they may put something out with the same cuts but don't hold your breath waiting to see it unless you have some connections.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 3:51 p.m. CST

    and Howard Stern is an mental midget

    by coop

    Howard wouldn't like it unless it had naked teenage girls in it. He likes really lame stereotypical teenage dramas, brainless action films, pornos and that's about it. If a film doesn't fit into these categories he hates it. While it may be true that Stern is the voice of the masses, you have to remember that the masses are morons. Think about it, Armegeddon = a hit, Pearl Harbor = a hit, Fight Club = a flop, Memento = a flop. Of course when I say flop, I mean the majority of America hasn't seen them and doesn't want to. They may have made enough money to make a profit but it's still a sad situation when the masses gobble up things like N'Sync but many have never even heard of Radiohead. I'm sure Stern doesn't know who they are.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Whether FELLOWSHIP is the best movie ever made is in debate, but

    by Cash Bailey

    ...I know it's the best movie I've ever seen. NEVER have I so completely been consumed by a film and it's characters. NEVER have I felt the emotions during a movie that I feel every time I watch it. NEVER will a series of films (let alone an individual one) ever make me feel this way again.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 3:58 p.m. CST

    I tell ya', the Ents storming Isengard will surely be the mo

    by Cash Bailey

    I can't even BEGIN to imagine how they're going to do Treebeard, let alone that whole scene. But PJ will find a way. I'm not worried in the slightest.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Dr. Physco's Sinister Stethoscope

    by Hrunting

    The only problem is I may hurt myself when the insanity sets in because of the wait to see what PJ has imagined to be TTT. Hopefully suicidal withdrawal won't set in. One question if you don't mind. How can a movie based on a novel which was written decades before the Dungeons and Dragons malarkey even began be plagiarized by FOTR? Dungeons and Dragons is just a two-bit rip off of situations that Tolkien brought to the for front of twentieth century culture.That aside if PJ polishes up a few characters and strengthens a few relationships with the extra half hour on DVD and the next two films this may be the overall greatest accomplishment in film history. If you don't think so you have never tried to produce a film. The magnitude and scope of these movies make it mind-numbing amazing that he even touched upon pulling it off must less scored. Will just see if it's a hat trick.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 4:15 p.m. CST

    The Oliphaunt

    by SpikedBuffy

    Does anyone know if the oliphaunt will be making an appearance in TTT and if the battle with Faramir's men? or if we will actually get to see the destruction of Isenguard or will it be like the book and we get to see it after the fact? I think TTT will be the best of the trilogy just like the book.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Go 'ol Arwen

    by JacksonsBane

    Can't wait for her catfight with Eowyn. Great move PJ.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 5:10 p.m. CST

    STAR WARS25 you make me LOL really hard

    by trava

    I mean only the bit where you say: "You dorks who live in your folks basement and attempt to pass yourself off as intelligent really need to get a job, or life of perhaps even spend some of your allowance on chicks instead of lame "X-Men" comics." And then on the bottom of your post you say: " Sam Raimi has gone a little to far away from his source material. But that's just me... He should have just used "Amazing Fantasy" #15 and "Amazing Spider-Man" #'s 121 and 122 as his screenplay and storyboards." Doesnt that make you a dork that lives in your folks basement and spends money on "Spider-Man" comics??? OOO, sorry you wrote "X-Men" comics!!! Sorry my bad!!!LOL

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 5:11 p.m. CST

    When Trees Attack!

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    I agree. That is going to be quite insanely mad.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Frodo 'disintegrating'

    by TwiffleTwaffle

    Holy shit - I figured PJ might dump this bit but it looks like it's true - WE WILL see the ring start to take its toll on Frodo. Heaven knows what state he'll be in during ROTK!!!! Worship PJ I say

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 5:37 p.m. CST


    by Nagual

    I was hoping New Line would have the damn sense to keep the Gandalf the White thing under wraps. Yes, I know anyone can read the books and find out, but it's going to be a lovely twist-surprise for the uninformed, and I think it's a mistake to show it in the trailer. It would be cool however to insinuate by wicked editing that it's actually Saruman (maybe a shot of G. from the back?) facing Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn...that would get people's blood pumping, and it fits in with the plot-point in the book where the remaining Fellowship is unsure of who it is. Still I am slavering for a look at this. I have become a total LOTR junkie. STAR WARS is just a blip on my radar right now.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 5:50 p.m. CST

    TTT will sucks ATOC will kick its ass with Nsync in it.

    by jedi_guy

    Will TTT have a opening? An ending? I doubt it. ATOC will show Jackasson how to do a movie, how to direct action. To bad he made all 3 at once. You can't go back and fix his fuckups. Dumb idea to make 3 movies at once. Since everyone has admitted LOTR had pacing problems, crappy directing and camera angles on the action scenes, and little character development. I guess we can expect more of the same crap in the next 2 movies. TTT will make less than FOTR because all of the poeple that saw the first one won't waste their cash in the next crap. I hope there aren't more closeups of that gay dude's face. Good to see PUD is still around. BTW are any of you LOTR fans going to buy the 1st FOTR DVD? Will you weight for the 2nd one that has more stuff? I see New Line is going to fucking screw you twice. I'll bet Jackson didn't come up with this idea. But New Line is milking this cow for all its worth and now Jackson just has to go along with it. I plan to buy the 2nd FOTR DVD, burn it to my drive and cut out all the scenes of Frodo gay face and make the movie 2hours long. Perhaps it will be much better and not as boRING.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 6 p.m. CST

    Twin Towers Shocker! Frodo is still short!

    by Chaffro

    No offence, but I think I'll wait 10 months and watch the same four minutes integrated into the other 160 before I get really excited. And you don't want to give away what happens with Gollum? How noble of you. If only that pesky Tolkein guy had had the same idea. Unfortunately, his adaptation has ruined all the film for me now.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 6:09 p.m. CST

    re: Jedi_Guy -Tool of the Universe

    by Electric_Monk

    We have seen the fucking enemy and he can't spell!! Get so fucking excited to show off your homophobia that you didn't hit the spell check key, Jedi? As best to my knowledge, however, Elijah Wood is not gay (unless you know otherwise. Maybe you have the hots for him?); Ian McKellen is. So if you're going to show your true colors, dickhead, at least get the fucking facts straight (pun intended). Maybe somone will get smart and edit you out all your family photo's. Jesus, this world is full of assholes!

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Not the best film ever made. Not even close.

    by Wee Willie

    It's a great adaptation of a book and a hell of an emotional ride, but calling it the greatest movie ever made is kind of childish. Nothing, I repeat nothing, will ever be as good as Citizen Kane, 8 1/2, Persona, Taxi Driver, Rules of the Game, Woman of the Dunes, or Happy Gilmore.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 7:40 p.m. CST

    The oliphaunt is in...

    by Jon Snow

    I've seen it. There are pictures of it floating around the net. The picture that I saw was of a dead oliphaunt, lying on its side. The weapons platform built upon its back was clearly visible. Very cool, trust me. The LotR film trilogy just continues to kick serious ass.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Oliphaunt Picture

    by Quasimike

    Here is the link to the now infamous and hotly-debated photo of the "Oliphaunt." Is it or ain't it? I say it COULD be...

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Trailer in Australia?

    by Bingman

    Can anyone tell me if the TT trailers will be added to FOTR outside of the USA?

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 8:19 p.m. CST

    by Butch_McTavish

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Oops! *THAT's* how excited I am!

    by Butch_McTavish

    Ya have to credit the marketing for the movies. I very much agree with what rap12 said before, New Line was savvy enough to respect the fans and include them in the promotion of the film with it's shrewd and well calculated strategy of a lil' peak here, a lil' peak there. We the fans get to be teased to the point of near-climax, they the studio cash in at the box office. Hmmm, kinda like a really good dancer who knows how to entice her audience with a good strip-tease .

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 8:44 p.m. CST

    TTT preview

    by Araduin

    Although I loved "Fellowship of the Ring," I feel Jackson has stumbled with being true to Tolkien's writing with the characterizations of Aragorn, Gandalf, and Arwen (despite terrific performances), but if Arwen and Eowyn are both fighting at Helm's Deep he might as well rename the movie to "Jackson's Dungeon and Orcs" because it isn't "Lord of the Rings." There are changes to plots and details that are necessary to transform a work of literature to the big screen, but some are not. Having these two characters overly involved in events that they were not in in the books is just ludicrous. Let's hope it is merely rumor.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Thank you JackBurton.

    by BG

    The thing that interests me the most about these action figures is that there is both an Ugluk figure and a Grishnak figure. Ugluk is obviously an Uruk Hai like Lurtz but Grishnak isn't. I hope this means we get to see the whole Saruman's orcs Vs Sauron's orcs/Ugluk Vs Grishnak thing. Also, for anybody who wants to see a photo of the Oliphaunt

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 9:12 p.m. CST

    lotr vs sw

    by bigbenkenobi

    i think lotr trilogy will gel way better than any new or old star wars trilogy! and therefor years from now lotr will be much more repected! but i love them both!

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Vs. Lord of the Rings

    by Azlam Orlandu

    Attack of the Clones looks great! The Two Towers is a give in! Spider-Man looks incredible! Why does everyone feel the need to argue about which of these films (which they haven&#39;t even seen yet) is going to be better? There has never been a more excellent film year for fan boys than 2002. Put your seats back and enjoy the fucking onslaught. I sure as hell wouldn&#39;t trade one in for the other, we get them all! Just fucking enjoy for once in your life. If all you have to do on the net is make juvenile comparisons about movies that we all should agree upon then that&#39;s your business. I have a feeling that by the end of this year we&#39;re all going to have to pick our jaws off the ground. </BR> "I hate you all."</BR> -AZ

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 9:45 p.m. CST

    A sequel? Oooh...

    by pretty much yeah

    Look! Scenery, and more scenery....more scenery...more pritty scenery...more pritty scenery of New Zealand pretending to be a far off pritty place...pritty,pritty pritty...oh GAAAAAAAD!!!!!!! MAKE IT STOP!!! FOR THE LOVE OF TOLKIEN, SOMEONE MAKE IT STOP!! PLEASE!! NO MORE 5 HOUR SHOTS OF FUCKING SCENERY! THE WALKING!! ALL THAT WALKING!!! OH GAAAAAAD!!!! MAKE IT STO-- oh...pritty.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Theres only one thing....

    by TheDrunkenJedi

    ...I need to know!!! Will there be a flash-back to Gandalf finally defeating the Balrog, when he tells Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli what happened!! On top of the mountains!! That would be cool indeed!!

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 10:37 p.m. CST


    by fladnaG

    I&#39;m sorry but this is too fucking funny. Honestly, I don&#39;t understand. FOTR was awesome. The original Star Wars were very cool. But TPM was shit. Oh there are those who will say "it was cool" but it wasn&#39;t. At least for the majority of people it sucked ass. Now people are screaming about how AOTC is going to kick the crap out of everything. Stop fooling yourselves. I want it to be good but if TPM is any indication, don&#39;t get your hopes up. However, FOTR was really good which means that TTT has a very good chance of being awesome as well. Just try to be realistic people. That&#39;s all I&#39;m saying. Flame on.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Oliphaunt Link

    by Quasimike

    Sorry...the link didn&#39;t post, so here it is again, the Oliphaunt pic...

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Oh bloody hell, here we go again...

    by Methestel

    20-17... yes, we watch american football over here, what a match!!!... waiting for the FA though... aaaanyway... was hoping that this wouldn&#39;t start for at least another couple of weeks because I&#39;m going to be out of a job (thus skint and incapable of buying tTT tickets, eating McDonald&#39;s out of the bin and all that lovely stuff etc.) unless I can keep my mind off of this one... Oliphanuts... apparently yes... Gandalf the white (twitch) oh I cannot wait.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 11:18 p.m. CST

    enough already...

    by rabid_republican

    People, I don&#39;t know what&#39;s worse: the endless yammering about LOTR&#39;s Oscar chances (whereas I think it&#39;ll get locked out of the major ones) or the incessant SW vs LOTR fight. It grows tiresome. But, in the spirit of "contributing" I will say that I hope TTT will be the king of the summer box office (yes, even though I love Spidey, I want "Towers" to rule).

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 11:20 p.m. CST

    The fuckers at New Line are going to show the Ents destroying Is

    by a goonie

    cuz of course in the book, you have the big Helm&#39;s Deep battle. and that goes on for a while, and when i was reading it, i was beginning to yearn for some downtime. personally, up until the Siege of Gondor, my least favourite parts of the book were all the action/battle scenes. so Helm&#39;s Deep ends, and they all ride off to Isengard, and i figure that we&#39;re in for another big action/battle scene where Tolkien describes the Ents ripping the hell out of stuff, but NO! we arrive in Isengard and find the place already destroyed! i absolutely loved it. in my head, the whole sequence played out sooooo beautifully. we now have this amazing set piece, these amazing props, all done on like two or three soundstages, instead of some cgi-riddled action-packed mess. oh well. i&#39;m sure The Two Towers will be a fun movie, but like i said before, after viewing Fellowship, my excitement level for part 2 dropped considerably.

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 11:24 p.m. CST

    er, Oliphaunt link... read the small print... that&#39;s one of

    by Methestel

    looks pretty cool (I guess), though I can&#39;t really make sense of it (notice the scaffolding around the back). Headless, guess this is *after* the big showdown... by the way, what is with these sodding talkbacks anywyay?! Is it that hard to get things in order?

  • Feb. 3, 2002, 11:48 p.m. CST

    2002- Best Movie Year Ever

    by Darth Melkor

    Seriously. ET rerelease, Blade 2, The Scorpion King, Jason X, Spiderman, Attack of the Clones, MIB 2, Minority Report, Austin Powers (fill in the blanks), Halloween the Homecoming, Signs, House of 1000 Corpses (maybe someday), Catch Me if You Can, The Road to Perdition, and ending with Harry Potter 2 and TTT. Plus some maybes like Scooby Doo. If only Matrix Reloaded hadn&#39;t been pushed back to 2003. Would could&#39;ve been, what could&#39;ve been.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Gollum is so key.

    by X-Girls

    SPOILER: The Ent part will be the best, the &#39;sleeping&#39; with Treebeard&#39;s branches outstretched under rainwater will have to be great and a classic image. I only hope they can retain the spookiness of Gollum...

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Ahhh, I&#39;ve been looking for an excuse to go back for another

    by nazismasher

    Latest I&#39;ve heard the bare-bones rental market type DVD with the theatrical version will come out sometime in August to be followed by a special edition extended version in November though Peter Jackson has already said this will not be the director&#39;s cut. *PHEW* Also, I think Ian McKellen mentioned on his web site that they shot the duel with Gandalf and the Balrog but he&#39;s not sure whether it will make it to the TTT theatrical version. December 18 CANNOT get here soon enough!

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

    by nazismasher

    I wouldn&#39;t buy too much into the rumors of Arwen fighting at the Hornburg. Remember several months past when there was that picture of a white clothed wizard on a spiked contraption and people started spreading the rumor that Saruman would get killed in TTT. How stupid that rumor now seems now that we know it was just a production photo of Gandalf/Saruman&#39;s fight that took place within Isengard. How about the one about Sam Gamgee being turned into a girl or Arwen becoming Sheera Warrior Queen and becoming the 10th member of the Fellowship. Uh, huh. It&#39;s bemusing how gullible people remain even after being fooled time and time again by the same gag.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 12:53 a.m. CST

    I just saw FOTR for the thrid time on Friday - and it get better

    by Tall_Boy

    I can&#39;t wait for Two Towers. Personally, I don&#39;t remember a single bloody thing about this book all I remember is "I am Gandalf the White"! that&#39;s about it. release this movie sooner, dammit. (just to go off on a little rant: is new line in the green yet for the whole LOTR flicks off just fellowship? Its at about 270 mil, I think. But when you factor in post-production and ads on the two-as-yet-unfinished films, I think the collected movies will probably have to make about 400 mill before New Line sees some bling bling. Which would probably make "Return of the King" almost 100% profit.)

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 12:58 a.m. CST

    oh, BTW, can anyone get the cam sourced DIVX of LOTR to work?

    by Tall_Boy

    I downloaded 500 megs of this thing and even a new DIVX codec and it STILL didn&#39;t work. SIGH!

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Don&#39;t get me wrong... I like Howard, really...

    by Psyclops

    ...but this guy enjoyed &#39;A Walk to Remember&#39; and &#39;Planet of the Apes&#39; more than &#39;American Beauty&#39; and &#39;Lord of the Rings&#39;. He&#39;s no critic.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Oliphaunts=ELEPHANTS you DUMMIES!!!

    by Dannychico

    C&#39;mon guys! Tolkien was having a little fun with the "oliphaunts"! Read Sam&#39;s poem about them again in TTT. They&#39;re just elephants! Jeeeeezzz...someone calculate the density of this crowd.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Yes, the Oliphaunts are in it!

    by Cash Bailey

    And they are fucking MASSIVE!! Three times the size of normal elephants, just like in the book. I&#39;ve see photos of a dead one lying in the Pelennor Fields and it&#39;s monstrous. They reckon it&#39;s the largest single standing prop ever built for a film.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 1:43 a.m. CST

    The Dead Marshes are in!!!

    by Cash Bailey

    It sez so here, That&#39;s so cool. That scene should be fucking creepy as hell

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Arwen & Eowyn

    by Mithril

    Ok, now everyone&#39;s panicking because Arwen and a fighting Eowyn are in the trailer: "that must mean they fight at Helm&#39;s Deep!" Hold it, sparkies, no it doesn&#39;t. Nowhere does it say Arwen is even fighting in the trailer. For all you know she just drops off Aragorn&#39;s banner that she made. Or the shots of her may be from Lorien (there are pics around of her and Galadriel together in Lorien). Who knows, if PJ decides to show the attacks of dark forces on Lorien and Rivendell that were going on during the fellowship&#39;s journey, we might see a bit of fighting from Elrond, Celeborn and Arwen. I wouldn&#39;t mind terribly, as long as they don&#39;t linger on those scenes (you know, just a quick cutaway to show dark forces moving out against the good guys). As for Eowyn, the fighting scenes of her could be from the battle near Minas Tirith. There has been talk about PJ cutting from Sam & Frodo to the other heroes, rather than doing first half, other heroes - end, F&S. And if he follows the correct timeline, if we want to see the cliffhanger ending to end all cliffhangers (IMHO), Frodo taken and the door slammed on Sam&#39;s face, then Faramir, Eowyn and Merry have all been hurt by that time. Now there&#39;s an ending: the three good guys lie dying in Minas Tirith, then "they&#39;ve taken Frodo!" How will our heroes get out of this one? My only problem with that one is, there would be too much action in 2nd film, and hardly anything left for the 3rd one, except the healings, F&S trekking on, Aragorn and the others going to the Black Gate, celebrations, the Scouring of the Shire, Grey Havens and maybe a little rundown of what happens to the other good guys after Frodo and Bilbo have left Middle-Earth. Actually, now that I write it down, that&#39;s still a lot of cool shit!

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 3:58 a.m. CST

    why this sudden influx of NASTY TROLLS?

    by Ioreth

    for a while there were again at least some INTELLIGENT comments on some AICN-talkbacks, but this one has become ridiculous again ...

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Geeks and double standards

    by AttackingClone

    Its amazing to see what some of u geeks say about things. Before i start i love both LOTR and Star Wars OK! Ok now, this is just to the people who rant about GL re-releasing the SW flicks over and over. Why oh why do u not rant over PJ releasing a FOTR DVD in August, or whatever, and then release the directors cut in December. Where are all the people to abuse PJ over this. OK they&#39;re not here, soooo, shut the fuck up about SW, and come May 16 all the naysayers can suck my weiner. Peace Out

  • Screw everybody that went to the cinema to see FOTR and every godamn five minutes turned around and whispered to his loyal buddy "Hey what crap is this, this wasn&#39;t in the book!" Well you pighead, although you might have read LOTR a dozen times remebering all the song Bombandill sang to the hobbits, you sure understood shit about what LOTR is all about: friendship, and that my friends is what the movie displays best! Thus I say stop chatting about changes made in the process, just lay back and wait, Mr. Jackson is a genius, maybe Tolkien himself would have not liked the idea of making a movie out of is novel, he would probably have voted against it but all things done I am sure as hell he would have liked it, and so should all of you tolkien-wannabes!

  • Screw everybody that went to the cinema to see FOTR and every godamn five minutes turned around and whispered to his loyal buddy "Hey what crap is this, this wasn&#39;t in the book!" Well you pighead, although you might have read LOTR a dozen times remebering all the song Bombandill sang to the hobbits, you sure understood shit about what LOTR is all about: friendship, and that my friends is what the movie displays best! Thus I say stop chatting about changes made in the process, just lay back and wait, Mr. Jackson is a genius, maybe Tolkien himself would have not liked the idea of making a movie out of is novel, he would probably have voted against it but all things done I am sure as hell he would have liked it, and so should all of you tolkien-wannabes!

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Too much Ring action

    by Chocky

    I read the BBC report about the Dead Marshes. I love that scene in the book. But do we really need the dead people in the marshes telling Frodo to put on the ring? Fer chrissakes, rotting people in the swamp is scary enough. We do not need to be hit over the head with a baseball bat "the ring is bad" every frickin 5 minutes. <><><><><> Treebeard is animatronic, for at least some of his scenes. John Rhys-Davies is doing his voice, too. (Should&#39;ve been Brian Blessed, but he sold his soul to Lucas.)

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Marsh Whinging

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    I&#39;m with Chocky here. Sometimes it doesn&#39;t need whistles and bells. The Marshes work as something that&#39;s just nasty and non-specific to the whole Ring/Quest thing. Also, still unnerved about the whole "disintegration" thing. I thought Frodo&#39;s make-up on the whole flight to the ford thing was a little too much (in the book, they&#39;ve even time to stop and listen to Sam&#39;s troll song as they trudge on to Rivendell. Oh well.) Hope this isn&#39;t more of the same - sometimes you can gild the lily. Can&#39;t he just look fucked up like he did in the book, as opposed to melting like something out of "The Devil&#39;s Rain"? Oh well. Am in pessimistic mood today. And trolls are boring - I&#39;m sick of the same lame old. Bring us proper trolls.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 11:08 a.m. CST

    As far as spoilers in the trailers goes...

    by Pallando Blue

    [*SPOILERS*] I agree it woulda been a neat thing to leave Gandalf&#39;s return as ambiguous until the movie opens, but realistically McKellen&#39;s return to the cast list would&#39;ve been impossible to supress. And then his "reveal" in T2T would probably not just be, um, revelatory, but come across as one of those plot "twists" the audience sees coming a mile away. As it is, the drama of that moment for us is going to have to be in the performances of Viggo, Orlando, and Big John&#39;s latex. :) *** NOW then, that all said, what they REALLY need to do to play up the fantastic cliffhanger that is the end of T2T, is NOT reveal in any ROTK trailers an active, trekking Frodo! (I&#39;m thinking the fact that Gandalf fell at the end of the 2nd act makes his return less of a tense moment carried over from FOTR than it is just Good News--but Frodo&#39;s body being trucked away by orcs, then credits rolling right after Sam collapses after pounding away at the closed door, is much more of a "Holy--!! What the hell happens NEXT?!?" story element...) So what I&#39;m saying is, what should be played up in the ROTK trailers (jeez, getting a little ahead of the game, s&#39;pose) is the War. Play up the Siege, the Paths of the Dead, some great Denethor/Gandalf/Faramir interaction, perhaps show Sam alone making his way through the Morgul tower, and then end it with the Mouth of Sauron presenting to Gandalf Frodo&#39;s dwarven mithril shirt, elf brooch, and (Sam&#39;s) man-made sword. "...And all carried by one of the rat-folk halflings from the north. It appears there is a conspiracy against the Lord Sauron!" [or whatever his lines are] Dismay and despair on Gandalf&#39;s face, Pippin squeaks "That&#39;s Frodo&#39;s!" before getting hushed, and then the evil sneer of the Mouth, "He is known to you then... These are the Lord Sauron&#39;s demands!"

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by Pallando Blue

    The post order that is. Yeesh. You know, AICN just wouldn&#39;t be the same with a reliable, consistent message board format. Like living next to an airport, I think I&#39;d actually miss the hassle if the moved away from this horrible system. *** Anyway, for the Tailenders keeping score, I&#39;ll be seeing this a 6th later this week, and promises from other folks to see it 2-3 more times once the T2T trailer is added! Yep, I&#39;m going for the magic 9. Of course, there&#39;s no guarantee I&#39;ll be STOPPING at 9...

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Deep. Breaths. Must. Stay. Calm.

    by Heleno

    Damn teases. It is not at all fair to even mention TTT for at least ten months, cause it makes it well nigh impossible to put up with the likes of Birthday Girl and Slackers. Let&#39;s hope Spidey and Blade and Ep2 keep me going till then....

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Tinuviel70 is back and loves movie! Praise Peter Jackson!

    by Tinuviel70

    Hello everyone! I had never looked forward to a movie like this and was certainly not disappointed. In fact, I was literally sitting on the edge of my seat throughout entire movie! I first read Lord of the Rings as young teenager. So, I was greatly satisfied that Peter Jackson and company had captured spirit, if not entirely letter, of Tolkien&#39;s books. So I believed at first, no?Then, I thought I was in Middle-earth, literally. Jackson hit just right tone of making story understandable to vast un-read masses while keeping long time fans, like myself, more than satisfied. I only wish some of the scenes we already knew of were omitted from the final screening. I really missed seeing Lorien elves stopping the Misty Mountain orcs and entire gift giving by Galadriel. These are nit-picks that will be addressed in the DVD release, I am confident. Overall, I simply fell in love with movie. Incredible vast scale of Last Alliance battle and utter magnificence of outdoor scenery just took my breath away. Jackson, Walsh and Boyen hit just perfect mix of dialogue from books to emphasize key elements while not losing all of plot. All of acting was nothing sort of pure brilliance! Utterly believable characters with Ian Holm&#39;s Bilbo being my personal favorite. All-in-all, Jackson has done great honor to Tolkien and has proven worthy of our trust. I am now even more excited at the prospect of what we&#39;ll be seeing in the Two Towers and Return of the King. Only area of concern is will I keep up with spy reports and such so as not to spoil too much. As for oliphaunt, yes, had pictures sometime back. Is very big! Reports of Arwen fighting at Helms Deep have also been discounted and I think I must agree with poster who says we only see her there bringing standard of Aragorn and, I guess, Narsil. It must show up sometime, yes? Also, I remember pictures of Aragorn leading charge of Rivendell elves against Uruk-hai of White Hand. Is rescue mission of Helms Deep refugee

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 12:24 p.m. CST

    ACME Hobbit Disintegrator

    by teapot

    I don&#39;t know if it was in Harry&#39;s &#39;on the set&#39; article, but somewhere someone mentioned that Elijah Wood was wearing makeup that made it look as if the weight of the ring on the chain around his neck had actually bruised him or given him a friction burn. I hope this is the beginning of his disintegration, it sounds perfect. Also, a great way to show the weight of it without silly expositional dialogue!

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 1:08 p.m. CST


    by Halloween68

    Anyone with any definate dates when the Two Tower footage will be airing at the end Fellowship? I mean I guess we&#39;re all thinking either 2-15 or the end of March... But anyone with an inside scoop on when these actual new reels begin making their way into theatres? I want to see them sooner than later. Psyched is an understatement. The Two Towers was always my favorite part of Rings, and I&#39;m pretty positive that it will make for the best movie too... Never a dull moment if it carries the story from the book truthfully. But on second thought Return of the King should be pretty awesome too. Fellowship was always the slowest one. I knew it would be the hardest to churn out on film with all the histories, geographies, and characters to introduce. So, again, anyone with a definate date? Also, anyone know for sure yet at which point the trailer will appear, before the credits or after?

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Howard Stern

    by Caine

    So he did not like Lord of the Rings - so what?!?!?!? It probably didn&#39;t have enough naked lesbian bondage sex, and the ultra-plasticized Jenna Jameson, or whichever blonde porno star is the apple of his eye right now. Does anyone actually listen to him anymore? I know his regular TV show got canceled (what a surprise there), but since his review got out into the public, his radio show must be broadcast somewhere. I am sure that his opinion counts somewhere to someone, but not to me (and apparently not to his ex-wife either) *** But as with all my posts, this is just my opinion.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 2:03 p.m. CST


    by atwood81

    I figured the Oliphaunts would be around, but what about the wolves of Isengard? Are they around?

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 2:21 p.m. CST

    just WAIT until you see the goliath terror of SHELOB!! un-FRICK

    by Bregalad_

    OH great and mighty SHELOB - how the WETA boys have created thee! Okay, you all know how PJ is really fond of good scares and gore in his movies. Well, he has so far shown considerable restraint in "Fellowship" with those two trademarks of his ------ BUT NO MORE! -------------- In TTT our dear Mr. Jackson gets to really crank up the unholy horror of Shelob! She will be the most TERRIFYING spider-creature ever put on film... I have seen the designs, just you wait.

  • you were damn right when you mentioned that TRAVA!!!!! it was already the case a few weeks ago.......i mailed harry again and again but so far nothing happened. and HARRY!!!! you didn`t say ONE word to this situation......

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 2:44 p.m. CST

    We&#39;ll see, Miami, but it&#39;ll depend on

    by Pallando Blue

    whether Faramir drags out that old "want to blow the Horn of Gondor?" line again. :D

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 3:06 p.m. CST

    What&#39;s Arwen up to...

    by BigW

    Spoilers for non book readers: Aragorn is missing something he needs before he meets Theoden, something that was still broken last time we saw it. I doubt he&#39;s going to find the time to go back and get it on his own.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Howard Stern

    by BigW

    I like his show, but he has the worst taste in movies.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 3:42 p.m. CST


    by Conan_the_Humble

    Pud your comments are pathetic, so I feel compelled to reply at the reading and writing level your obviously conversant with, "you&#39;re a stoopid head!!!" P.S. The ents storming Isengard is going to rock!!! Cheers.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Pud and Jedi_guy

    by Dragonfire

    you both sound like angry, stupid defensive SW fans to put it lightly. It&#39;s all right when someone comes along who didn&#39;t like FOTR who actually has valid reasons, but you guys sound like you&#39;re just trying to piss of all the LOTR fans here. Personally I love star wars as well and have always been a huge fan of it, but TTT will probably be so much better that AOTC. At least Peter Jackson knows how to direct. FOTR not having a proper ending is not a valid flaw, because the whole trilogy is one story. It may not work as well for a movie but that&#39;s just the way it is. Obviously there hasn&#39;t been a lot of character development yet, because it&#39;s going to be a trilogy. ANH didn&#39;t have any major character development either, and TPM hardly had characters. Your accusations of FOTR being racist and homophoebic are laughable. What the hell is your basis for that, and your accusing LOTR of ripping off D&D? WTF! I shouldn&#39;t even have bothered arguing with such a pair of morons but sometimes I just can&#39;t stop myself.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 4:08 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m looking for a few good trolls...

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    This is what I MEAN, morGoth. Once upon a time you got trolls that while they said stupid, inflammatory things to bait young posters into ranting were also occasionally funny, in a kind of "Oh my God I don&#39;t believe they said that!" way. Mercier was good that way. Why can&#39;t Mercier turn back to evil? Now you get the same old trolls posting the exact same shit they did *before* the movie came out. Nobody has any new material - it&#39;s all the same old "D and D playing losers in their mother&#39;s basement" schtick that isn&#39;t even original, they&#39;ve seen those exact words posted somewhere else. Or time-wasting multiple posting spammers. Why can&#39;t some antagonistic angry loner somewhere actually put some fucking elbow grease into doing this properly, and at least entertain us? Boring trolls, you are dead to me. Since FOTR has raised the bar for movies, I&#39;m waiting for the troll that can raise the bar for jerkwad losers. Pfeh. There&#39;s never a Disturbed Teen around when you want one...

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Memo to fanboys:

    by CactusEd

    LOTR was a fantastic film, but not the best of the year. Also, it does not hold its own as "art" as so many of you maintain. If you want art, check out Amelie.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Memo to CactusEd

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    Yes, I saw "Amelie" months ago. It was a fantastic film. But it wasn&#39;t as good as FOTR.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Ringwraith&#39;s Wrinkly Fingers

    by teapot

    Am v. interested to see PJ&#39;s take on Elrond&#39;s Strawberry Soap situation. As much as I love Tolkien, he seemed to skimp when it came to describing the impact of the Strawberry Soap Shortage on the position of the Elves in the War of the Ring. I have always been of the opinion that the Nazgul simply needed a good scrubbing. Hopefully PJ will be able to expand upon this theme in TTT, and perhaps overcome Tolkien&#39;s shortcomings in this area.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 4:29 p.m. CST

    apples and oranges

    by Francie

    There is no reason to compare FoTR to Amelie. They are both wonderful, but it is silly to say that one is better than the other because they are completely different. What a dull world it would be if one movie had to be all things to all people.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 4:29 p.m. CST

    LOTR vs Star Wars

    by zdiffee

    this is to im as much of a star wars fan as the next guy but i just went to see LOTR this past weekend and i was amazed.. i like how it ended and i cant wait to see the next movie...but the only star wars trilogy to me is the original...can you even call the new movies star wars? its all about filling up george lucas&#39; i will go see Episode II but i still think the LOTR is a very worthy contender.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 4:30 p.m. CST

    LOTR - Racist?

    by Ehdee

    I have again seen the ridiculous claim Lord Of The Rings is Racist because it has no characters that could easily be portrayed by white people. WAKE UP MORONS. LOTR as a trilogy has no black or Asians because it was written as a romatic view of England by an Englishman who grew up before there were many non-white in England. WHY then would he be able to understand and be able to write decent black characters? Tolkien most likely never met a black man or any/many Asians. You have to see the Shire as England&#39;s many shires circa 1950 a *white* world racially. Would you describe African folklore as &#39;racist&#39; for having no white or Asian characters? Or perhaps, as in Tolkien&#39;s case, other races would NOT BE RELEVENT! Fan-Q.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 4:51 p.m. CST


    by Geddlee

    I am so excited to see anything on TTT that I don&#39;t care what kind of trailer they show, as long as they show one. On another note, saw "Blackhawk Down" over the weekend, and I can only say that if anyone out there thought this was truly a great movie, you&#39;ve lowered your standards as to what a great movie should be. Entertaining, with some well done visuals. That&#39;s it. Josh Hartnett is made of wood. The cast is mediocre at best. The plot meanders and doesn&#39;t give you the answers to the questions they raise. Just an ok movie. FOTR is a great movie. And I&#39;m sure that TTT will be even better.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 5:01 p.m. CST


    by Darth Melkor

    I thought the ending to FOTR was great. It ended that way cause it&#39;s 3 movies based on 1 book that was split into 3 for commercial reasons. The last line of the book is something like "They went over the hill and stepped down into the land of darkness." or something to that effect. What was the last scene of the movie? They did also incorporate the first chapter of TTT into the end of the FOTR film. And rightly so cause of Boromir&#39;s death. Would&#39;ve been stupid to kill him 2 seconds into the second movie and have no real emotional setup. Either way I love LOTR, I love SW more, but if SW is a 10 to me, LOTR is a 9.5. Can&#39;t wait to have the LOTR box set and SW box set DVDS sitting side by side on the old movie rack. Whenever that will be?

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 5:09 p.m. CST

    I&#39;ll tell you what I DON&#39;T want to know:

    by Pallando Blue

    I do NOT want to know where Cupid Harry keeps getting all those arrows.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 5:22 p.m. CST


    by Darth Melkor

    You big nasty!

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 6:40 p.m. CST

    music on the dvd

    by dragonfrog

    minor note but big wish on my part: I hope the FOTR dvd comes with the option of hearing only the music - the complete music soundtrack - as the dvd plays (some dvds like North by northwest have that option). FOTR has only about a minute or two of unscored moments, so there would be very likttle dead air for such a function, and whenever I hear the cd, I miss all the music moments I loved in the movie that are not on the cd (180 minutes versus 79). If others feal this way, maybe we shouild pipe up to encourage Jackson and new Line to add that simple extra function on the dvd. Harry, you have some influence there don&#39;t you?

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Walrus & intercutting of the fellowship...

    by Ralph Cifaretto

    I always felt deeply that the structure of Tolkien&#39;s book (2Towers) was one of it&#39;s coolest qualities. I hope that Jackson at *least* devotes the final 30 to Sam & Gollum. michael SAM LIVES!

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Dragonfire - thanks, it needed to be said

    by BlueGecko

    dorante, I really enjoyed your well expressed and honest opinions. Take note, jedi_guy and your kind, it is possible to like SW more than LOTR and not be an arse about it. I honestly don&#39;t know why these types bother unless they just want to be noticed in the TBs - "Any publicity is good publicity" Yeah, even if it means throwing a childish tantrum in public.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 7:01 p.m. CST


    by AliceInWonderlnd

    How can we be expected to efficiently geek out over cool news when the conversations keep getting reshuffled? I mean, I like the fact that it&#39;s not in threads, cos I find them fussy and take ages to load and loads of clicking, and they kind of "balkanize" a lot of conversations. This way everyone sees what everyone says. But why the HELL can&#39;t there be some simple filter on this thing that lists the posts in date order! Practically every other message board in the world can do this! Cutting someone&#39;s post should not destroy the order if the damn thing has been coded properly. Sorry, I know this is something that we get to use for free and blah blah blah and ingratitude and all the rest, but PLEASE!!!!! FOR GOD&#39;S SAKE!!!! FIX THIS!!! Unless of course it is a deliberate ploy to make us drop topics once they take up too much server space, in which case, AARGH!!!!

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Aragorn leading the elf charge

    by BlueGecko

    Tinuviel - I don&#39;t know if this is what you mean, but if you think back to the first teaser that was released a year ago ("You will find adventure or adventure will find you"), we do get a shot of Aragorn running toward the camera with an entourage of wicked looking elves following him. I think I&#39;ve seen other pics, but I can&#39;t be sure. It&#39;s a good thing the elves have such distinguishable armor. TOR.n has a great collection of photos, but needs to get a good filing system going, don&#39;t you think? Having just one list of them in chronological order doesn&#39;t cut it - Individually viewing 3500+ pics to find what we want just isn&#39;t how I want to spend my time. Oh well, saying that is probably about as productive as ranting about the TB order...

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 7:26 p.m. CST


    by mookie2001

    anyone else wondering where harry could be pulling those valentine arrows from??

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 7:44 p.m. CST

    morGoth and points

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    Well, maybe you&#39;re right on the troll thing. It&#39;s just the tediousness of the present crop makes me want to scream and break things. As for spoilerness of it all, I don&#39;t think they&#39;d spoil too much in the TTT trailer. But it probably is going to be spoilerly to snatch up every tidbit of cool news on this subject. That said, I think I had to do it for LOTR because if I had no idea of how it was going to get handled, I would have been quite freaked out as a fan of the books. That said, some stuff in the early reviews had spoilers I would rather not have known - Bilbo&#39;s transformation, that kind of thing. Oh, and BlueGecko (I think, apologies if I&#39;m wrong) reminded me of why I hated the original teaser trailer so much: "You will find adventure or adventure will find you..." How lame was that? They should have just stuck with, "Dude, it&#39;s live action Lord of the Rings. You know you&#39;re going to be there." Didn&#39;t their marketing people get fired over that? Or is that just the internet talking?

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Oranges are better than Apples.

    by teapot

    Amelie and FOTR are both great flicks. I would say that they are apples and oranges as far as comparison goes - they taste and look totally different. And one has more antioxidants. The only way I could logically compare them is in the amount of times I have been drawn to the box office: Twice for Amelie, five times for FOTR, and still going... In that respect, FOTR is da winna! And it will keep us from getting cancer! BTW, categorizing things as &#39;art&#39; or &#39;not art&#39; is a sure sign of a brittle mind.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 8:39 p.m. CST

    I don&#39;t understand racism.

    by Mark Twain

    I really don&#39;t.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 9:03 p.m. CST


    by Darth Melkor

    Do remember that LOTR was written during WWII. Values then are just a tad bit different than they are now. Any racism towards Italians, if deliberate, I&#39;m sure spawned from Tolkien being English during a time whey they were at war with Italy. I do think that if you look hard enough you can find racism in anything no matter how unintentional it may be. Some people just want to see it so they do. Look at Jar Jar Binks.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Let me rephrase

    by Mark Twain

    The subject of racism in LOTR seems to recur a number of times (I seem to remember a thread that the Eagles were racist or something) and I&#39;ve read no compelling argument. Themost prevalent theme seems to be that LOTR is racially eclusionary (which it is), but that&#39;s a completely different thing than a racist work. I think such allegations, without substantive proof, hurt the dialogue that tries to address real racial issues in the world.

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 9:44 p.m. CST

    "ORC" means Monster in Italian?!?!?

    by Va Fan Cool!!!

    Hey SPUD, do you know what Va-fan-coolo means in italian?

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 12:05 a.m. CST

    PUD: LOTR is not racist, you ignorant imbecile!

    by Cash Bailey

    Racism is a foul, repugnant accusation and should not be just thrown around to get a rise out of a bunch of fanboys, which you have been doing with impunity for months. If anyone called me a racist, I wouldn&#39;t protest my innocence, I&#39;d punch them in the fucking mouth. It&#39;s like those middle-class anarchists who throw the word &#39;Nazi&#39; around at anyone who doesn&#39;t let them do what they want. Words hurt, that much is true, and you need to exercise some degree of responsibilty.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 12:31 a.m. CST sir, are an IDIOT

    by tritium

    You exhibit an incredible lack of understanding of Tolkein&#39;s work, and you DO NOT know what you are talking about. In fact, your comments are so outrageous, I am not sure if you are being intentionally sarcastic or trying to be you really believe that the Nordic, Scandanavian and Celtic mythological archetypes upon which Tolkein based his stories are a priori racist? A) Is Chaucer&#39;s Cantebury Tales racist because their are no "African Americans, Hispanics, Italians, Poles, or Botswanese characters. B) Is Beowulf racist because of the same. C) Tolkein&#39;s Middle Earth was based on an alternative England in the Middle Ages...I don&#39;t think you will find any blacks or Hispanics or Italians in England during the 1100 AD thru 1500 AD. This is even more the case for Finland and the Scandanavian countries upon which Tolkein culled much of his linguistic models which are so central to his creation of his mythology. D) Dismissing Sam and Frodo&#39;s relationship as "homosexual" really puts into question your own sexual orientation. It is obvious you have no clue as to the servant/upper class relationship which was part and parcel of Tolkein&#39;s English culture...especially during the Romantic period on up to early twentieth century. Frodo and Sam&#39;s relationship is modeled upon the typical class system which pervaded Imperial England, and is completely non-sexual in form and content. The fact that Frodo and Sam&#39;s relatioship grows and TRANDSCENDS the typical boundries of the class system...into a true friendship among equals (even though Sam always looks to Frodo as his better) is a testament to the bond and esprit d&#39;corps that the two develop in their quest. I suggest you actually read the books before making such outlandish claims.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Oddly enough, "Pud" is Italian for "troll".....

    by wilko185

    Many moons ago, during a LOTR TB filled with identical Pud nonsense about "orc monsters", Matthew Shepherd, racism, blahblablah I (helped by others) took the effort to show how "orc" is derived from a Beowulfian Old English word, how Tolkien can only be construed as racist by someone prepared to twist the truth to suit there own agenda, and a very good case can be made for saying Tolkien was anything but racist (speaking of the man, not the books here - LOTR itself is plainly not a racist work). I did this, not to try and persuade Pud to a different position (he didn&#39;t respond to my arguments, unsurprisingly), but just in case anyone reading was thinking he could be taken at all seriously. But I admit defeat. Pud was here before I came to AICN talkback, and will be here when I leave, spouting the same nonsense. Pud, I salute you sir! Your insistence now leads me to believe in some sort of mental illness rather than satire on your part, but whatever: don&#39;t let the bastards grind you down!

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Pud, you are the funniest man alive

    by AggregateScore

    And so say all of us

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 6:42 a.m. CST

    to Tinuviel70, morGoth & BlueGecko re: Aragorn

    by Mithril

    First of all, thanks Tinuviel, for agreeing with my thoughts on Arwen. Then, on to this Aragorn in the teaser looking all bad-ass thing. Considering the grime and stuff, I figure it&#39;s probably at Helm&#39;s Deep. If Aragorn was in slightly different clothing, on a horse or a bit less grimy, you could also think it could be from the final battle by the Black Tower. Heck, there were some elves there, as well as Imrahil and the guys from Dol Amroth who look pretty elvish too. Still, gonna go with Helm&#39;s Deep on that one. Now if only someone could explain that one shot in the teaser with Arwen (I think) lying on a chaise-long in a black dress with rose petals or something flying everywhere. Where the hell is that shot from?!? *Oh, and p.s. These racism/fascism/homophobism claims are getting ridiculous. Especially saying that if Frodo and Sam are gay, the film is homophobic. First of all, they&#39;re not gay (though some may be confused with all that "Oh, Sam" stuff and the "I love you, Frodo" in TTT - which I hope to god is included). But even if they were, how could that be considered homophobic? Oh yes, it&#39;s insulting to gay people if the two main courageous heroes who risk everything to save the world are gay? Why? Because they&#39;re short??? (same as saying that the immortal, kick-ass, noblest race around elves being gay would be homophobic - though, once again they&#39;re not... well, not all of them anyway) Honestly, some people&#39;s logic is a little weird...

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 7:34 a.m. CST

    MR ANDERSON !!!!

    by jaxberg

    One thing that disturbed me during FOTR was the the bigass face of Hugo Weaving you saw when the "team" came to rivendell.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 7:57 a.m. CST

    FOTR was mediocre at best, so why should TTT be any better?

    by Atticus Finch

    FOTR was a disappointment. All those "fans" who were screaming it would be the box office champ have seen it turn into a box office chump by not even breaking the 300 million mark (it might if the fans are coerced back into the theater to see an extra 4 minute TTT trailer). Just another example of a movie that started out hot with the big media frenzy, but couldn&#39;t get enough repeat business to sustain itself. Some critics praised it, some didn&#39;t think it was all that great. I don&#39;t think anyone can argue the fact that now that it is all said and done, it hasn&#39;t had near the impact of THE original trilogy. So what makes anyone think the sequel will be any better? At least I will know better to waste 3 hours in the theater again!

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 8:27 a.m. CST


    by Daegor

    Way to sum things up there... too bad you&#39;re off base on nearly everything you say. Some critics liked some didn&#39;t? It has almost unanimous critical success. A box office chump for not making 300 million? It is projected to hit 300 million, and is currently number 12 all time worldwide, and 15 domestic. I guess what you were really trying to say is that you didn&#39;t like it, but that didn&#39;t sound as impressive as manipulating facts to prove that no one should. Bravo

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 8:27 a.m. CST

    LOTR cracks top ten

    by Mark Twain

    To the above poster, I&#39;m not sure why a mere $300 mil turns a movie into a box office chump in your eyes. Even if you dislike LOTR, I can&#39;t believe that you would want a movie to have to make more than that to justify someone taking a chance on such a noble project. As to the impact of LOTR vs. Star Wars, I believe they will be about the same, after all they are essentially the same story. Both draw on Christian archetypes and are stories about faith and redemption (still popular themes 2,000 years after the source material for both). I think following the success of FOTR (and by the way, this movie will probably rest at #2 after all is said and done), we&#39;ll see similar projects greenlighted (Narnia comes to mind). As Star Wars opened the door for quality SF films, FOTR will do the same for fantasy. Not that Red Sonja was lacking in that regard, mind you, but . . . . Everybody wins when a film like LOTR is a hit. I&#39;m a fan of the original trilogy as well, and see no reason to feel the success of one must come at the expense of the other. I&#39;m equally excited by both the Matrix sequels and LOTR sequels and want both to do well.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Arwen lying asleep?

    by TwiffleTwaffle

    <POSSIBLE SPOILERS> Well it could be the scene where Arwen croaks it at the very end of FOTR. After Aragorn decides that he&#39;s lived for long enough. Man this scene would be SOOOOOOO cool - especially mixed in with a bit of the Grey Havens and Sam leaving Hobbiton for the last time!

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 8:34 a.m. CST


    by TwiffleTwaffle

    <Spoilers again!>Sorry that should have been at the end of LOTR - with Arwen checking out in the gardens of Lothlorien.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 9:14 a.m. CST

    I need a Matrix answer from you Neo-pyhtes and I figure this is

    by withnail&i

    I just bought Matrix Revisited and it suddenly sturck me. WHen Neo is a &#39;copper-top&#39;, ie., before he&#39;s been unplugged, why can&#39;t Smith and his agent budsjust morph into his skin whenever he&#39;s with Trinity and the other dudes? Answers please.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 10:29 a.m. CST

    The Phantom Anduril, Reclining Arwen, Short for "Arthur," and Ag

    by Pallando Blue

    A quick hit list![*SPOILERS MAY ABOUND cause I&#39;m too lazy to sort em out or pay attention if they&#39;re spoilin&#39;*] First, though, let me say Miami, you&#39;re making this a very long week in that I won&#39;t be able to see #6 until Saturday. Curses! ** Now &#39;en, I&#39;ve been digging through my ridiculously extensive collection of LOTR images for any sign of Anduril&#39;s hilt (with the holey pommel) in Aragorn&#39;s hand--so far, nada conclusive. But there is the one pic of him used on the film tie-in paperback of ROTK (if you don&#39;t have that copy, check out a somewhat reduced image here:, on a horse, griping a sword--and quite a well-worn, dingy sword at that. The pommel&#39;s quite visible, and the flat of the blade is to the viewer, but it definitely ain&#39;t the same hilt as Narsil on the statue in FOTR. So, there&#39;s a Hmmmm fer ye. Is the cover image of the ROTK trade p-back actually from ROTK? If so, when does he get Anduril? At the coronation..? When Elrond arrives for the wedding..? Ah, we&#39;re back to such far-fetched groping-in-the-dark speculations! Delicious! *** As for Arwen passed out on the chaise-lounge in that very first teaser, yep, has indeed been determined (by good ol&#39; Ask Leo himself, who, looking back, was pretty much 100%--except for what we know hit the cutting room floor) to be Arwen shuffling off her mortal coil. Add to that the fact that the line of Elvish Liv pulls out for the talk shows is along the lines of "Would the King leave his people and me in something winter something something?" or whatever it is Arwen says to Aragorn on HIS deathbed, verbatim right out of the Appendix. SO. Draw yer own conclusions from THAT. I don&#39;t know how much after the major multi-climaxes of ROTK PJ&#39;s gonna include [come oooooon SCOURING! (tosses dice)] or how he&#39;s going to structure it, but we do know the Grey Havens are in, that&#39;s a FACT, and that enough time passes for Sam to have a little daughter greet him on his return... I can&#39;t tell you how much I hope the very, very last image is Sam, perhaps with Elanor on his knee, looking at Rosie and saying, "Well, I&#39;m back." Fade out. I need that more than non-rotissirie Saruman and the Scouring put together... *** Art? ART?!? Art is dead! Dada won! I thought everyone knew that! :) *** Barrie Osbourne, Wonder-Producer of both LOTR and the first Matrix, steps to the mike. "Well, withnail&I, the reason the Agents can&#39;t, or should I say &#39;don&#39;t,&#39; possess Mr. Anderson, or &#39;Neo,&#39; before he is removed from the Matrix, is at once very simple, and yet also rather complicated. You see, they, um... that is to say, Neo... well... huh. You know what?" The Wachowski Borthers burst into auditorium, yell "HEY! LOOK OVER THERE!" They light some 10-cent smoke bombs and hustle Osbourne out stage left. A booming voice booms out from the giant floating disembodied head of Keanu Reeves, "IGNORE THE CONTINUITY ERROR BEHIND THAT CURTAIN! AND I MEAN ALL OF EM, DUDE!" ...Well, this little narrative took a left turn somewhere, but my point is (and I do like "The Matrix," it&#39;s a whole lotta fun) it ain&#39;t a film ya ought to be scrutinizin&#39; too closely at, eh? :) Whoa.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 11:07 a.m. CST

    WHY do you idiots continue to post here?

    by Marc_Price

    When it&#39;s obvious you don&#39;t even know SHIT about Tolkien? I&#39;m president of my Tolkien club at school, and you know what our favorite pasttime is? To hop on AICN and LAUGH OUR ASSES OFF at all the ignorami who post here. Who was that dolt who was worried about spoiling Gandalf&#39;s appearance in "The Two Towers"? DUH! He&#39;s NOT even IN the story, jackass. HE&#39;S DEAD! Did you even READ "Fellowship"? Probably not. Too busy sitting on the couch in your filth-encrusted BVDS, watching "Walker, Texas Ranger" and licking the crumbs out of a potato chip bag. And who keeps bringing up Oliphants? STOP IT! They&#39;re a race of wizards from the realm of Cirith Ungol, across the Grey Havens. As such, they AREN&#39;T even SEEN until "Return of the King." GODAMMIT, I get so pissed reading this site. Combine all of your IQs and you might be able to plug in a lamp. READ A BOOK!!!

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 11:28 a.m. CST

    So, Don_Caputi, we meet again...

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    You&#39;re such an ass. Cirith Ungol isn&#39;t "across the Grey Havens". It&#39;s in the Misty Mountains. You suck, always have sucked, and will continue to suck, constantly off-loading your slightly skewed Tolkien facts in order to confuse gullible newbies! Everyone knows if they want the real deal they should come to ME! Hahahahahaaha!!!

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 11:34 a.m. CST


    by Ringwraith rider


  • Feb. 5, 2002, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Alice, you fit in well with this rabble

    by Marc_Price

    Seeing as how your knowledge of the books mirrors that of a below-average FOUR YEAR OLD. You talk as if you know a thing or two about the Misty Mountains, when you failed to mention that they serve as the stronghold for Bilbo and his army of Barrow-Wights as they prepare to storm the magical castle Isengard in "Return of the King." But, instead, you spend your time shouting at the rain, professing to know about things that are far beyond your limited understanding. Put down your Tolkien books and pick up whatever claptrap Oprah&#39;s shilling this month. Please, Alice, before someone gets hurt.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Stand and Be Mocked!

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    The only thing that will be hurt is your abominable hubris and triumphalist jingoism. Once again you demonstrate that the works of Tolkien are far, far out of the petty limits of your thoroughly crappy understanding. Like the great Eagle Denethor, circling above the burning ruins of the great city of Midgewater, I laugh aloud at your pathetic attempts to school me. Consider yourself pimp-slapped by me, the only decent source for correct Tolkien factoids!

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Cant wait!!!!!!!!!!

    by Gentle_Fury

    PETER JACKSON!!!!!!!!!!! This shall finally be the trilogy to end all trilogys!! goodbye lucas!! just throw it in baby!!! This next one shall be grander then the last.....oh and harry the FOTR DVD is FUCKING BRILLIANT AND GORGEOUS!!!!!

  • he is really funny

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Signor Caputi, Ms. Alice, allow a humble objective suggestion to

    by Pallando Blue

    Third-party stumpers, each of you take a whack at it. Please provide your own No. 2 pencils. As always, eloquent, correctly spelled insults (aimed at each other, please) may earn extra credit. Q: In the land of Ithryn Luin: (1) who was the love of Ithilien, (2) why did Elrond&#39;s crebain army slaughter Belfast&#39;s kin in Ancalagon, (3) to where did Beruthiel flee after the Erebor of Dunland closed its Black Gate in Greenleaf&#39;s face, (4) all of which being, of course, the reason Buri "The Ghan" Buri wed whom, claiming which sword and the throne of where, in what Age? ...Or is it a trick question? **** You each have 30 seconds. Begin!

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Concept Art at the official site

    by Pallando Blue

    Has anyone else been checking these out? There&#39;s 8 of em now, and they&#39;re pretty flippin&#39; kewl if&#39;n you ask me. The latest, Mordor, is impressive indeed. Them&#39;s worth keepin.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Random Bits

    by teapot

    Pallando - I&#39;ve been collecting them all. They are really great, aren&#39;t they? I love the rougher acrylic ones. It seems odd that we know Lee and Howe on sight, but there are no names provided for the other pieces of work. Everyone - Gollum has a V.S.D. entry up now, if you haven&#39;t been back yet.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Atticus finch...

    by MattO

    For all your bashing of FoTR, you&#39;ll *still* see TTT. You&#39;ll be there, sonny boy- WITH YOUR TINY FUCKSTICK IN YOUR HAND!!!

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 1:40 p.m. CST

    You can tell work is dull, right?

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    1) Ah, the great tragedy of the Second and a Half Age. Ithilien, a petty princeling and sometime dragon, ended up having a great battle in the lands of Lotho, where he pretty much kicked the ass of the then Dark Lord, Ioreth the Little Known and Obscure, due in part to his great wrothness at some rather rude things the latter said about Ithilien&#39;s sister, the fair Perianath, at her Hen NightParty. Anyway, Ioreth was well-peeved at this turn of affairs and approached Gorgoroth, a Wizard (and Gandalf&#39;s brother, incidentally) for some advice. Gorgoroth, who was a stone bastard, gave Ioreth a potion made from the blood of the dwarf lord Glorfindel that would make Ithilien fancy his own sister, and thus become the pervy laughing stock of the Second and a Half Age. Alas, the evil plan came to fruition and Perianath did not spurn his advances(indeed, one of Ioreth&#39;s original impertinent remarks, and the one that had got him in to such hot water in the first place, was that "one sip of miruvor and your sister&#39;s anybody&#39;s" (which later become known as the Prophecy of Ithyn Luin)). Anyway, long story short, the two set up home together in Buckland (where everybody was a lot more liberal) and the Thains of the Shire (and presumably Dan_Caputi, from this evidence) are descended from their line. 2)Trick question - the crebain didn&#39;t slaughter anybody, though they did rescue Smaug the Unnatural from either his creditors or himself, (the minstrels remain ambiguous on this issue, depending on who you speak to and what volume of Tolkien&#39;s notes you&#39;re quoting (I am quoting "Some stuff my Dad scribbled when he was really quite drunk after an excellent college dinner", Vol. 13, Ed. C. Tolkien). 3)Beruthiel fled to Numenor, eventually throwing herself off the high peak of Belfalas after the plastic surgery Greenleaf had paid for went horribly wrong and she ended up with eyes in the back of her head, rather like Joan Rivers. 4) Ah, that would be the throne of Morannon, claimed in the Nineteenth Age, which went with the sword of Emyn Muil (which shone green in the presence of Elves, or possibly Scientologists) and the hand of Firiel the Kind Of Fat But Has A Nice Personality, who was the direct descendant of everybody I&#39;ve mentioned so far. So, now, triumphantly, I knock the Ashtray of my Superiority onto the Cream Velour Sofa of Dan_Caputi&#39;s Ignorance, and wag the Pointy Finger of my Wrath at him in a mocking fashion!

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 1:53 p.m. CST

    I have to agree with kubrick01 on this one

    by deftone

    I really hope Peter Jackson gets the Best Director Award. I mean, looking at the film as a whole, compared to the other films, it feels like no other director had his hands in every aspect of the film---he adapted the story, he dealt with fans on the Internet, and he combined all the elements together until it was a unified story. Everything about the film---from the costumes, to the sound, to the score, was perfect, and I think it ALL came from Peter Jackson.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Alice, poor, Alice

    by Marc_Price

    You have to be the most tragic figure on this board. Your knowledge of Tolkien is decent (if flawed), and yet you choose to align yourself with the savages who post here instead of siding with those of us with superior intellect (and who eat with utensils). As evidenced by your childish use of profanity and schoolyard taunts, you, Alice, are a textbook case of "could have been." Of course, this brings to mind the plight of Aragorn, who renounces his place as King of Mordor in order to serve Lord Goldberry in the realm of Mablung.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 2:01 p.m. CST

    New Line picks up up Pullman&#39;s "His Dark Materials"

    by Pallando Blue

    [story willfully stolen from,1259,---10819,00.html] **** HOLLYWOOD (

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 2:16 p.m. CST


    by Snaga-ape

    "All of you who liked the movie deserve my scorn! Idiots! Swine! Freaks! Seaweed-for-Brains! Would that Illuvatar would come and sweep all of you filth into the sea, like he did to Numenor of Old. The illiterate moviegoer has no wisdom. I care not that money is being made. The soul of Arda has been poisoned by the fangs of popular culture, which like a vast Ungoliant feeds ravenously on Arda, sapping it of all its beauty and wonder. Fortunately for us we live in a free world where we can choose between Life and its Imperishable Flame, and The Shadow. I choose Life, and condemn this movie, a fetid mockery of The Great Legend of Our Time. Peter Jackson, I name you an Enemy of Arda, and in league with Morgoth! May Mandos take you soon to that lonely hall on the edge of the world reserved for those who have lost their way in life."

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Snaga-Ape = Roger Ebert

    by hildebrand

    I always wondered if types like Ebert floated around on talkback type sites, and now I have proof. Yes, poor Snaga (aka: Roger, aka:Purist snob) your precious book has been altered for its move to the big screen. We weep with you that it was not transfered word for word to the screen. Do weep and gnash your teeth over every movie that has source material in the realm of literature? More is the pity. You, sir, are the real deal - Someone so unsure of his own vision of a particular book that you must put down a somewhat different vision. So Mr. Jackson had a different view, that is the richness of literature, that it allows various readers to imagine the work in different ways. Perhaps you should try to see the film as one person&#39;s interpretation of the work, perhaps you should notice that you are not the center of the world. Perhaps you should spend some time making your own movie if you find this one to be not worthy. Perhaps it is time for you express your point of view without lapsing into psuedo-Tolkien-speak, so that your ideas are your own. Unless, and this may be the real crux of the matter: You have no ideas of your own. Try harder next time.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 2:32 p.m. CST

    calm down snaga

    by Daegor

    That boys and girs is what we call an knee-jerk purist. Note the intolerance of others&#39; ideas similar to fundamentalist religious zealots and nazis. Also look at the need to fall onto overblown hyperbolic rhetoric.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Hmmm, tough call!

    by Pallando Blue

    Alice certainly has the facts at her fingertips (although points deducted for completely ignoring the significance of Thorin, wielding Drogo the Flame of Ainur, smiting the Troll King of Dunadan on the very steps of Undomiel). However, Caputi consistently scores high on the Asshole Quotient. Impressive, most impressive... Judges?

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 2:39 p.m. CST


    by BlueGecko

    Twaffle - I never thought that about the Arwen lounging scene. Wow, that would be amazing! I always thought it was her remembering back to when she met Aragorn or something (I think I picked that up from a rumor I heard ages ago that probably has no basis to it). I think the end of LOTR is going to be especially tramatic - I found it so when I read the book, and if PJ finds the right tone (which I have absolute faith in) then the theatres will be filled with teary and sniffling patrons. Oh, can hardly wait! === Pallando: "non-rotissirie Saruman" you seem to know what you&#39;re talking about, so what was the latest word on this? I must have missed it. === And is anyone else excited to see the Deus-ex-Machina/eagles rescue Sam and Frodo?

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Bravo, Bravo I say!

    by silbakor

    Herr _Caputi, and Hairess, er, Heiress Alice: To thee I award the most prestigious award of Most Exuberant Writers of Fancifully Engendered Impertinence. Truly impressive. I cowtow before your truly divine majesties. Do please continue to enlighten us with your ebullient contributions.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Pud? Putz more like it.

    by BlueGecko

    Pud, if you&#39;re still hanging around, no one is taking you serious. You&#39;re a total twat. Spouting popular buzz words like "homophobia" doesn&#39;t make you sound smart, especially when you use it improperly - "phobia" is derived from the Greek word that means fear, therefore "homophobia" means fear of homosexuals. Or simply put, you. And the only "blond Aryans" would be the Rohirrim, the main hero (Aragorn) has dark hair. So does that make him a Jew or an Italian in your idiotic analysis? But then, your feeble logic sounds much like the rantings of Vizzini the Sicilian in Princess Bride when he&#39;s trying to decide which cup the poison is in.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 3:22 p.m. CST


    by fladnaG

    It has to be dammit. If you look on the standee that was put out you can clearly see that the hilt of the sword that Aragorn is wielding is none other than the sword reforged. My guess is that he gets it right before heading off to the Black Gates.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 3:42 p.m. CST


    by BlueGecko

    Or possibly Aragorn is given Anduril before The Paths of the Dead so that he has it when he sails up to Minas Tirith and is revealed as the true king. Well, we&#39;ll know in 10 1/2 or 22 1/2 months.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 3:43 p.m. CST


    by Darth Melkor

    Yeah I saw that Matrix II footage. Looks awesome. Can&#39;t wait to see more tonight. Too bad that movie&#39;s had so many problems. We could&#39;ve had Star Wars 2, Rings 2 and Matrix 2 in the same year. Oh well :(

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Attack Of Peter Jackson Fan-boys!

    by Snaga-ape

    Well pardon me a lot! Am I to presume this is Peter Jackson Fan-boy Site? I only mean to say Great Legend should be told in entirety and no thing taken out or it will not be accepted as truth. There is no Middle-ground on this as truth is truth. It is fact that Sauron the Great had personal troll body-guard but where-oh-where were they to be seen? Snaga-ape laughs at orcs in movie! Even worse, they squeal like pigs! Beautiful Arwen should stay at home and sew flag like good she-Elf, not riding around showing tail to Nazgul! Such a thing must never be! Of course, I am only snaga and what does poor snaga know?

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 3:50 p.m. CST


    by Marc_Price

    You, sir, are precisely the type of person I&#39;m talking about. Dammit, why do I constantly have to take time away from my Tolkien fanfic novel to come here and educate the mewling VERMIN who pollute this board? Listen, your questions showed a cursory knowledge of the books. Albeit one that could be gleaned from repeated viewings of Bakshi&#39;s movie (which Alice knows inside and out, if her posts are any indication). However, to anyone who knows anything about Tolkien (which pretty much eliminates every person on AICN), you&#39;re way off the mark. I mean, what can you tell me about Gimli&#39;s twin brother Radagast? Or Riders of Rohan, the forest nymphs that come to Gollum&#39;s rescue? God, you people make me SICK! Why don&#39;t you stop trying to be fans of something that&#39;s so out of your league and stick to Dolph Lundgren movies and 7-Eleven hoagies!

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 3:55 p.m. CST

    LOTR sucks ballz, boring, overrated piece of shit

    by jedi_guy

    Based on my hate mail. I take you LOTR fanboys take great offense to anyone not liking LOTQeers. Man you dish it but you can&#39;t take it. You know what your fucking lower than Trekkies. They don&#39;t spam movie fans like you dudes do. Learn to live with SW. If you don&#39;t like it then fine. But we don&#39;t have to like LOTQueers either. I&#39;d post under my real something_killer but I might be gettin banned for that. PJ can direct traffic thats about it. He can direct a bunch of homos and racists to his favorite fag bar is about it. Lucas, now there a real man. Wrote produced and directed a masterpiece. Can PJ say that, Hell no he can&#39;t. SW will kick TTT ass with Nsync in the lead role. You people sending me hate mail probably jerk off to New Kids on the Block posters, with a 21 sided dice in your butt. PUD is smarter than all you D&D people.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Pud, "you sir are a buffoon!!!"

    by Conan_the_Humble

    Alice, I have no doubt Mercier will be back as we get closer to AOTC. He&#39;ll be rooting for SW then and will be telling every "bitch" out there how much General Lucas will be kicking General JACKSONS ass. I remember when Mercier was even saying Harry Potter would be better than FOTR, Bwahahahhahahaha. Pud, the difference in skin colour in LOTR as I have pointed out on this site before as did TOLKIEN in his &#39;Letters&#39; is a function of geography. Is it racist to call people who happen to live in Africa and have Black skin, Black people? The Southrons were exactly that, people who lived in the far south of Middle Earth, ie: in hotter climates. If you would care to observe in our present world, people who have resided in hot climates for thousands of years, tend to have dark coloured skin. Does that make people who don&#39;t live in those climates and have different coloured skin racist? Why don&#39;t you try to find something wrong with the story that at least has a credible basis, or is that just a little too difficult? Maybe you could try something easier then, that matches your intellectual level, fingerpainting perhaps?

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 4:07 p.m. CST


    by Conan_the_Humble

    Jedi_Guy, you even worse. At least Pud is attacking LOTR, you&#39;ve got nothing to say about the story, only PJ&#39;s interpretation and the people who have enjoyed it. I hope you enjoy AOTC, you&#39;re gonna be really bitter and twisted if it sucks as much as &#39;The Steaming Menace.&#39;I liked the SW originals, and I hope Lucas can make AOTC into a decent movie. I prefer LOTR though because it&#39;s got a better story. I don&#39;t feel the need to spew forth vitriol against SW fans because of that though. Why don&#39;t you grow up, and let me ask you one question, is your old lady happy?

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Inner dialogue of jedi_guy and Pud

    by BlueGecko

    "Weehee! Lookee, people are mentioning my name in their posts! I&#39;ve arrived! I&#39;m someone on AICN! If I can make it there, I&#39;ll make it anywhere!" And if you&#39;re going to troll, do it right - using SW to bait your hook is pretty weak since most here have said they like it (at least the OT) Begone with ye! Ah well, I&#39;m done. Flame on, you crazy trollers.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 4:29 p.m. CST

    All right, it&#39;s starting to heat up, you two!

    by Pallando Blue

    Way to take the initiative, Signor Caputi! Alice, honestly, dear, you have your work cut out for you. It&#39;s neck and neck, but the mo&#39; is with the Dan. Okay, you two, Question 2: In the tragic Halls of Celebrimbor, (1) where does the map of Deep Helm lead Bard II, and just in time for what, necessitating (2) with what does Gwaihir Thingol&#39;s son slay the Nauglafring, in other words (3) by whom is the Shiriff Eomer sired, AND in whose womb (by the skin of his teeth), eventually triggering (4) whose treachery at the Dagor Bregelad? (Bonus points for catching the intentional spelling error.)

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 4:30 p.m. CST


    by Darth Melkor

    What&#39;s the deal with Mercier? He hasn&#39;t been around for a while but that&#39;s not the issue. The issue is that he can&#39;t make up his mind. He was telling Rings fans that Harry Potter and SW would school FOTR. Then he was telling SW fans that FOTR would school AOTC. I&#39;m sure when AOTC comes out he&#39;ll be saying Rings is dead! Jeez dude like them all or like none, for God&#39;s sakes make up your mind.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 4:33 p.m. CST

    book adaptations

    by BlueGecko

    With LOTR opening doors for possible adaptations of fantasy-based other novels, I think The Dark is Rising series could be made into really terrific films. It&#39;d be like a really dreary and dramatic version of Harry Potter. How cool would that be?

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Mercier and his kind...

    by BlueGecko

    ... are just trying to get a rise out of everyone. They should be renamed yeast. Or viagra.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 5 p.m. CST

    More fantasy adaptations

    by Mark Twain

    The best thing about the success of LOTR (and Harry Potter, although not my cup of java), is that Hollywood will start bringing more, heretofore considered "unfilmable," works to the screen. I&#39;d like to see the Narnia Chronicles (in Dreamworks hands) get made, as well as Heinlein&#39;s &#39;Stranger In a Strange Land,&#39; &#39;Job,&#39; and &#39;The Number of the Beast.&#39; And most difficult of all, a live action version of Beagle&#39;s The Last Unicorn. Unfortunately, Hollywood may not do them justice in the way Jackson did with LOTR and flood the market with less-than-stellar works and kill the genre.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 5:12 p.m. CST


    by Dragonfire

    LOTQueers? Is that the best word play insult you could come up with? I wouldn&#39;t be surprised, as you seem to have a thing for spouting out BS. George Lucas may have wrote a masterpiece, but directed? ANH and ROTJ were masterpieces in terms of story and effects, but ESB was the only one well directed and that was Irvin Kerschner.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 5:16 p.m. CST

    LOTR the 9hour version of the crying game.

    by jedi_guy

    Yes, after 9 hours of this boring crap of a movie. In the End you&#39;ll be gay. You&#39;ll find Frodo is inlove of his buddy, butt Gaydorf cums back to spew inside both of them. Boy George has recorded a special song 4 the movie. You&#39;ll discover you&#39;re gay at the end. Its why Harry cries all the time. He knows what is going to happen. I noticed there aren&#39;t Mexican, Chinese, Blacks in this movie. This proves its racist crap. Atleast Lucas has all these races in his movies. You see them getting killed in X-wings left and right.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Bad News for Miami Mofo and BlueGecko

    by Pallando Blue

    Although yers, Miami, is a delight to report. Looks like VA Tech&#39;s got a Vick legacy going! Michael&#39;s little brother Marcus, whom Michael describes as "a lot more talented than I ever was," has declared for his big bro&#39;s alma mater. Oh boy, is THIS gonna be a fun coupla years. Randall&#39;s no squirt, and he&#39;s got a Vick for competition, Suggs returns, and Kevin Jones will continue to improve. Hot dog! We shall wreak our revenge on Syracuse, Pitt, and yes you too, my friend... *** BlueGecko, sorry to get your hopes up dragging out the wizard wheel; there is no real "latest" on that. But according to that Ask Leo fellow (at;s message board) I mentioned whose inside source was spot-on for FOTR spoilers: PJ has, indeed, it seems, apparently, perhaps, but it looks like, shot Grima slitting Saruman&#39;s throat. I know! I know! There were concerns (from PJ, not just suits) as to whether such a graphic, gruesome, personal-level act of violence would be not just too jarring but threaten the whole PG-13 obligation. Chalk ALL of that up to hearsay and unsubstatiated rumor, but from a proven source... Anyway, there&#39;s really no reason yet, besides faith and hope, to think that Saruman doesn&#39;t bite it on the wheel. ALSO, the above statement in no way implies just when or where that scene was to take place--not necessarily a Scouring rumor, then. Could be at the end of T2T. Nor when in the whole shoot PJ shot that part--planned or considered later, after The Wheel Photo published? *** Enter my own crackpot theories! PJ&#39;s been oft-quoted saying that as the production wore on, they kept returning to, and moving more and more toward, the book. Rewrites were CONSTANT, say Boyens and Walsh, with the cast especially demanding closer adherence to the book. And, while the movies did overlap in the shoot, a lot of FOTR was shot toward the beginning of the schedule; the original plan was to (generally) shoot them in order, but scrambling the shot list eventually proved far more cost-effective. And, Helm&#39;s Deep, though shot over three months, was done in the first half of the whole shoot. So this is where this is taking me. As the principal photography became T2T and ROTK heavy (except for Helm&#39;s Deep), PJ saw more and more that "a lot of our clever ideas weren&#39;t really necessary" or whatever it was he said in a recent interview (pick one). Actors returning for "pick-ups." Apparently some action around the HD/MT set (not sure when/where I heard that, so chunk of salt with it). Throw in the mix the phenomenal success of Fellowship, and New Line&#39;s probable spoiling (in a good way) Weta with post-prod budget. I&#39;M thinking.... PJ&#39;s quietly doing as much as possible to rewrite/reshoot the parts of the next 2 movies that were done when the script was "LOTR1.1" if you get me, and bring them more in line with the novel, or at least as much as can be. Another tidbit, everyone knows Liv shot at least one battle scene, she was on horseback and orcs charged her (she admittedly screamed and dropped her sword); Liv was also seen at the set of HD long ago. Them&#39;s documented, and an easy 2 and 2 to put together. Also on record now, is Boyens and/or Walsh unequivocably stating that Arwen doesn&#39;t return again until her wedding, nor does she fight in any battles. So THERE&#39;S already a big change in plot-point/story-structure. Methinks there&#39;s some tense editing going on in NZ, or has been. Makes me seriously wonder if PJ&#39;s going to try to lose the whole Lorien Elf-brigade element somehow--streamline it all back into the original story from the book, like he&#39;d been saying they kept trying to do. That would definitely take some reshoots, and who knows what editing--depends on what&#39;s in the can. So, I&#39;ve digressed heavily into Helm&#39;s Deep/Arwen speculation, but my point being, the Saruman wheel may have been coverage, an option left open for the editing process... or the throat-slit could have been. (I&#39;m 90% believing that was shot, but again, out of faith & hope only...) With the success of FOTR, PJ will probably have as much room as he wants to tweak it back into line with Tolkien. We know from Harry that Aragorn & Arwen&#39;s wedding was shot, AND Faramir and Eowyn&#39;s. Like I said, who knows how much room PJ made for everything he wanted later, he and B and W realizing how necessary they really were--for the SPIRIT of Lord of the Rings. Which I think we can now agree he&#39;s got well in mind. TO SUM UP: Sorry, no real answer fer ya! Ya read all that claptrap fer NUTHIN! Suckers! :~) ["Work" Alice? What be this "Work" of which you speak? They can make me show up, but they can&#39;t watch me every minute! ;)]

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Claptrap? perhaps...

    by BlueGecko

    ...but interesting claptrap! Thanks for the read, Pallando. Though I heard Liv was supposed to be in TTT (NOT fighting though). Oh well, all is hearsay for now, even if it is from official sources, since who knows what the editing process will bring.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 6:23 p.m. CST

    not to boast, but...

    by BlueGecko

    ah, hell. I&#39;ll boast - saw it the 11th time this past weekend. Does anyone know what # Harry is up to? I think he&#39;d seen it 10 times at about the 2 week mark. Hey Ingold, how was Vegas?

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Dan WINNING?

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    Pah! Nonsense! I empty the Mini-Bar of his Self-Satisfied Condenscension, Drink Deep of the bottles of his High-School Naivete and then Vomit Copiously over the Shag-Pile Carpet of his Sarcastic Self-Righteousness! Anyway, our love could probably never be because we doubtless live in different continents, and even if he isn&#39;t a serial killer, then I probably am. Sorry, Pallando, now that I&#39;m in TB mode I forgot your questions. Maybe tomorrow at "work". Nah, I&#39;ll get right on it. But trolls! Lovely trolls! Snaga-ape, I love your schtick. You&#39;re perfect. killer_elf! Is that really you? It&#39;s lovely that one so challenged could try so hard. Jesus, you must be really keen to keep sticking to this TB, which takes forever to load and has the posts all in the wrong order. I&#39;m actually interested in TTT and I&#39;m finding it hard going! Still sucking down the Pabst Blue Ribbon? I feel inspired by you. But still, "These aren&#39;t the trolls we&#39;re looking for." And Pud? What is my memory of you and assless chaps? Where did that come from? I have this memory of laughing so hard I cried. Oh well. Maybe it was a different Pud. Oh, and teapot, yeah, saw the Gollum edition. Loved the personal ad. Actually, saw the movie again (I know, I know, but it&#39;s like an addiction...) and I did laugh at inopportune moments remembering some of the lines...

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 8:14 p.m. CST

    The true Tolkien skinny!

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    1) Yeah, this was kind of embarassing for Bard II cos he walked right into the Halls of Manwe in the Eastfarthing just as war was kicking off between the elves and the men of Gondolin. See, Velcro the Sex-Addicted (called Babyfather by the Dwarves) had come to see his kin in Dunharrow and while there knocked up Elwing, the daughter of Spandex the Chronically Trigger Happy who was visiting with her mother, Finduilas. And lo, Spandex was greatly displeased, and sent messages to Crickhollow demanding that Velcro Do The Right Thing. But Velcro was seized by craven cowardice and sent a message via the Palantir of Caradoc, saying that yea, verily, while Elwing was a great kid, he was not ready to commit. And at this Spandex waxed full wroth, and he gathered his forces together (and Bard II, who somehow got roped in because it would have been tactless to leave just when things were getting interesting) and they marched to Eressea and fought the Lengthy Battle for Child Support on the Fields of the Nephilim. 2) And at the battle was slain the Naugahyde, pierced through the heart by the restraining order that Gwaihir was trying to serve upon it, in one of those bizarre freak accidents that litter the works of Tolkien, particularly once he&#39;d had a few, or I have. 3) And so it was that Shiriff Eomer grew up in the household of Spandex, and learned of his heritage at the knee of Elwing, thusly, that Velcro was "a dirty deadbeat son-of-a-bitch" and vowing to his Elven kin that he would avenge this stain upon his mother&#39;s honour (admittedly his mother was lap-dancing for trolls in a nightclub in Mirkwood by then, but it&#39;s not like there&#39;s a time limit on this sort of thing.) 4) So the Shiriff disguised himself as a runaway teenaged girl and hung around at the bus stop of Bregor Dagorlad until Velcro came cruising by in his Sports Eagle, and when invited in "for a ride" sent the Eagle crashing into the fiery chasm of Michel Delving, thus slaying both of them. The Elves wrote a song about it. They would. The hobbits also wrote a song, which had the benefit of being shorter, funnier, and more filled with filthy innuendo. Singing it in most bars is a passport to being banned.

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Duh real Elf Killer Back!

    by jedi_guy

    On my last post of these gay ass movies really being a giant trap of the crying game. Harry takes this whole thing down. Fucker, he scared of me. I can fuck up this website with my truth he don&#39;t like. Well I exposed the truth about Tolkiens sick fucker kids on watch for raping little boys. Harry didn&#39;t allow that. I bet I got banned on this mutha fuckin&#39; website more than anyone. I even used a series of IDs and trashed SW a couple weeks back. No bannin&#39; nothing. But I dump shit on LOTR and you usually get banned. I guess Harry loves fags. Oh well he&#39;s a NAMBLA lover any weigh. Gotta go, the PBR are cold and ready.. hehehehehe.. I"ll be back... Can&#39;t wait for the next LOFQ (fucking queers) TB...

  • Feb. 5, 2002, 11:25 p.m. CST

    "a common Indo-European root word"

    by wilko185

    Doh! You got me Pud! <hangs head in shame> Yep, common word root for Old Englisgh and latin, ergo Tolkien was a racist. And I specifically avoided attacking your Bamboozle theory because I know it to be true. However, even the mere fact of me acknowledging this may put my life in danger from those who want to keep this global plot hidden from view. Don&#39;t be surprised if I disappear, and a short while later a new "wilko185" starts posting here who gladly swallows any amount of New Line propaganda about them not being involved in a worldwide racist conspiracy. It&#39;s already happened to cetain other posters on this board <looks round suspiciously, but names no names>

  • Feb. 6, 2002, 9:33 a.m. CST

    by SpacePervert

    I tink Snaga-Ape is being satirical, folks, laugh with him, not at him. *** Legolas is still a shirt-lifter. The coolest elf on celluloid remains Crow from "Hawk The Slayer". Bring on Torech Ungol, and don&#39;t warn the arachnophobes (hee hee).

  • Feb. 6, 2002, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Question for Pud, Dan, and jedi_guy

    by Jedi Oomodo

    Do you guys all buy your crack from the same dealer?

  • Feb. 6, 2002, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Jedi_Guy and Pud -Fools, Tools and Hatred

    by Electric_Monk

    Why I continue to respond to this type of homophobia on this site is beyond me, but jerk wads like Pud and Jedi_Guy apparently have no lives so they write this crap just to feel superior. Both claim LOTR is racist, which is so bizarre. While we can all sit here and justify why the movie lacks any color (the time it was written, ect

  • Feb. 7, 2002, 1:26 a.m. CST

    New Line should allow PJ to make it Four Films instead of Three

    by DufusyteII

    I mean, PJ has a mountain of footage. The first film&#39;s action seemed "rushed" since three hours was not enough time to tell the story. New Line should allow PJ to tell the story at its own pace from now on, even if it means extending the series to a total of Four films instead of just Three. We can&#39;t afford to have important scenes cut because of time restraints again!! The remaining films would be called: "The Two Towers," "The War of the Ring," and then "The Return of the King."

  • Feb. 7, 2002, 8:40 a.m. CST

    LOTR & Matrix

    by Mithril

    All I can say is that if that shot of Arwen is really of her croaking, I continue in my previous posted rant that they should show what happens to all the other members of the fellowship after Frodo and Bilbo leave: Pippin and Merry going off and being buried next to Aragorn, Gondor returning to its glory and Legolas taking Gimli with him across the sea (why that&#39;s unheard of!)... As for the Matrix plot hole, I&#39;ve wondered about that. Maybe after their initial questioning, they didn&#39;t think Morpheus would dare approach him. And hell, they had him bugged (by the way, if you can trace people in the Matrix, why need to bug them? And since these are not real people, how can you bug their bodies? Or is the bug actually a sort of virus code set up inside the computer coded mind of its carrier? Now there&#39;s a plot question for you...). Also, as Morpheus said they didn&#39;t know how important Neo was. With an ordinary guy Morpheus would have just moved on to the next subject since Neo being caught made him a liability. My Matrix question is, if the Matrix is just a computer programme, then the phones the rebels use are virtual ones too. So how come they, and only they, can transport the heroes in and out. Or are they kind of hyperlinked or something? And if they are, couldn&#39;t you hyperlink something besides a phone? Ohh, my head hurts...

  • Feb. 7, 2002, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Re-writing history

    by DufusyteII

    Wow, Miami, that is quite a feat reading these TB&#39;s from the beginning. Yes, years of my very informative posts have been expunged from the record by the twitchy finger of an AICN admin.

  • Feb. 7, 2002, 3:03 p.m. CST

    I want to see it too !!!!

    by Baby G

    I don&#39;t know when the trailer is exactly comming out , but I hope SOON . I&#39;ve only seen five pics of THE TWO TOWERS ,and of course that&#39;s not enough to know what part two is going to be about ( if it&#39;s gonna be good or NOT ) I can&#39;t to hear new news of the movie and pics GREETS xxx Baby_G

  • Feb. 7, 2002, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Ingold, sir, you are SPEAKING to a racist homosexual!

    by Pallando Blue

    Just paraphrasing one of my favorite lines from "The Jerk." :) [Off-topic, why the hell didn&#39;t they follow thru with the "Stay away from these cans! Somebody hates these cans!" set-up in Black Hawk Down? I&#39;ve been told it&#39;s in the book, too...] The trick is, folx, friends, and tailend neighbors, to do no more than scroll over or chuckle at all posts railing at "you" and/or making declarative statements about "you" and/or calling "you" silly names. Cause I don&#39;t know about Y&#39;ALL, but "you" ain&#39;t me. If I see my name (or "male handle" ;) --sigh, I really do miss Pippin&#39;s Diamond) addressed specifically I&#39;ll respond, and of course the Tailenders I&#39;m familiar with or folx I can recognize being as Mostly Harmless as myself. But as far as I&#39;m concerned AICN is a big party in a small room, and if the jackasses want to yell amongst themselves in the middle of the floor, doesn&#39;t mean I have to leave the pleasant company I&#39;m with over here at the bar. Just continue the fun conversations over and around the rest of the noise. *** Eeehhh, enough TB politesse philosophizin. As I&#39;ve said before, meta-talkbacks&#39;re almost always dull. *** Mithril: That&#39;s not just a great list of things to include at the very end. You also just triggered another crackpot hypothetical! How about THIS idea, everybody. FOTR began with an 8-minute Prologue, narrated by Galadriel, that covered a whole lot of exposition but in no way felt tedious, drawn-out or unnecessary. What if... WHAT IF... ROTK ends with a similar extended Epilogue, narrated by Galadriel? I stopped typing for about 10 minutes there, thinking all the ways that could frigging work out great! Balances, even improving, the Prologue, creating logical bookends to the entire tale; can reflect the Appendices in that it&#39;s desired information even though outside the scope of the central storyline(s); more of Cate, my sweet Cate&#39;s voice... talking to me... her voice, softly in my ear... Huh? >smack!< Sorry! Just a crush, not a stalker! I swear! Et cetera et cetera et cetera. Then of course it struck me. They&#39;d have to do some clever writing and editing, move around a bit in time in a way that&#39;s not confusing, because, and I&#39;ll be repeating this until Xmas 2003, the very last scene of ROTK has to be, HAS TO BE, Sam. Just having returned from the Grey Havens. Settling in a big chair, perhaps with Elanor on his lap. Saying to Rosie the three most moving words in the entire novel, "Well, I&#39;m back." Fade out. So all right, so maybe no Epilogue, so what. THAT&#39;S the only ending that matters. *** Miami, don&#39;t EVEN bring up Alatar. (Sibling my blue ass!) Oh, I could go on and ON about THAT asshole, let me tell you!

  • Feb. 7, 2002, 4:06 p.m. CST

    TTT and TROK PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Pingu87

    Ive got a website and its got all the pics from TTT and TROK and even the picture of aragorn with Anduril!!! You can see the gem in it!!!! Its address is Luke

  • Feb. 7, 2002, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Hey well, morGoth...

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    I can totally see the point, I guess. I&#39;m a newbie here and trolls are all I&#39;ve ever known. Incredibly enough, on other web forums, such as CHUD, everyone is amazingly civil about the movie, even if they didn&#39;t like it (which pretty much puts them in the minority). Must be an AICN thing. I don&#39;t think I could ever find the time to read all the back posts on this topic, but part of me is delighted that somewhere there still exists that TB about Peter Jenkins and the breakout performance of Bow Guy...

  • Feb. 7, 2002, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Actually, that link that was posted...

    by AliceInWonderlnd way cool considering the site appears to have been created by someone young enough to be my son (and I&#39;m not *that* old). Lots of Saruman pictures. Takes a long time to load. But if I were to undertake to sift through the vast mounds of material at I&#39;d a)be there forever and b) utterly spoil the movie for myself...

  • Feb. 7, 2002, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Off topic... can&#39;t help it....

    by teapot

    I just got a cool-ass job! Go me! Wooo hooo holy crap i am flyin high. Sorry just had to tell someone. I figure posting here is less offensive than pounding on elderly neighbor&#39;s door and yelling at them through mail slot. Er, and you know, I have noticed deletions of my own posts on occaision. The one that especially made me wonder said something to the effect of "Wow this movie was really good." I figure it was a mistake. I think whoever does the deletions has an itchy mouse finger. Or whatever.

  • Feb. 7, 2002, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Well, guess I&#39;ll be a bastard and post more tempting gallery

    by Pallando Blue

    Ain&#39;t I naughty? Let me apologize by way of not really apologizing. My opinion only: I&#39;m not worried about still images spoiling anything for me--none of the huge amount I&#39;d collected before FOTR came out ruined the total awe of the visuals of that movie. Frankly, when I saw it the second time I STILL felt unprepared by the onslaught as it happened. Seriously, who among us was able to really start looking in the corners until the 3rd or 4th trip? So I&#39;m continuing to unashamedly and greedily collect any and all new images I can come across on the net. (Thanks Luke! A few new ones there that slipped by me!) The spoilers I AM going to dodge like freakin creditors are the very things we&#39;re speculating about--storyline & plot changes. I was a complete whore for those before Fellowship, but that was because, like all of us, all I had for reassurance as to the actual quality of these movies WAS the images leaking about, and hearsay. But now that Fellowship has pretty much freed me of any doubts about PJ&#39;s decisions, I&#39;m looking forward to not knowing what&#39;s going to happen exactly, or when, in the rest of the tale. ...Of course, OFFICIAL spoilers like interviews and trailers are perfectly welcome! *** That said, here&#39;s TWO good, extensive online image galleries! The vaaaast majority of the pics are from FOTR, but also scattered here and there are pics from DELETED SCENES from FOTR! Probably have a lot of the same pics each, but there&#39;s always the few, like on our buddy Luke&#39;s, that not EVERYbody has... First one&#39;s Czech, I believe: ...Many, many pages of images to sift through! And a lot that I&#39;ve only ever seen there. Organized only by the chronology in which the site posted em. So, looking for anything specific, good luck, but it&#39;s great for checking updates. The other&#39;s in Spanish: ...Again, plenty of pics, but far better organized--by subject! Recently linked to at TORN. Actually, I need to put some time aside to scour that one out... *** Alice, yep, AICN Talkbacks are pretty much acknowledged as being the filthy, nasty, grimy, ugly-hearted core of film geekdom (emphasis on "geek" not "film"). The foul crucible of fandom. But it&#39;s so hard to resist! A kind of mix between rubbernecking a traffic accident and counting one&#39;s blessings ("I thought I was pretty geeky but THESE people, HOY!"). Whenever you start to feel like you don&#39;t have a life, there&#39;s always AICN to show you what that really means. Present company excepted, of course! :~)

  • Feb. 7, 2002, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Congratulations, teapot!

    by Pallando Blue

    Like a wise man once said (I believe it was in a Kids In The Hall sketch), the only thing worse than having a job is looking for one. Heartiest kudos and felicitations of the day! Go ahead and wake up the old people! Like they&#39;ll remember. :)

  • Feb. 7, 2002, 8:19 p.m. CST


    by BG

    I spent last night with a bunch of stupid Aliens, and I loved it! Finally my &#39;Bad Taste&#39; Special Edition DVD arrived and it was fan-bloody-tastic! Included with the feature is a &#39;the making of&#39; doco called &#39;Good Taste&#39;, in which a very young, thin, beardless Peter Jackson explains the unbelievable lengths he went to in order to make his first feature film. It includes interviews with PJ&#39;s parents, with his mother complaining that every time she needed to do some cooking PJ would be using her oven to cure the latex masks he&#39;d made. It reminded me a bit of &#39;Forgotten Silver&#39; except, of course, this one is real! PS, I love LOTR!!!(Ah, back on topic).

  • Feb. 7, 2002, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Pud, you assume you&#39;re in your right mind?

    by wilko185

    That could be the flaw in your reasoning.... ________ Sorry for the troll-baiting, guys, I just don&#39;t have anything interesting to say right now.... :(

  • Feb. 7, 2002, 11:45 p.m. CST

    No wait, here&#39;s something

    by wilko185

    What if someone else had written LOTR? (An old page, but it&#39;s still damn funny) Oscar Wilde gets my vote for the best one.

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Fantasy Planet.... is it Czecho-Slovakian?

    by teapot

    Thanks Pallando. I am so excited! I am totally sick of being a jobless loser. Though it will mean less time for me to hang out here and read all of the Tailenders&#39; entertaining posts.--- Anyone visiting the fantasyplanet site, there are some gorgeous hi-res b/w stills of our favorite Fellows & Friends. I think they are either early press shots or perhaps makeup tests, but the huge-mongous pile of used hobbit feet would make an awesome desktop. Ok, that might be a little gross... but it would funny!

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 1:14 a.m. CST


    by teapot

    Er, I meant it would BE funny. The celebratory lembas and entdraught must&#39;ve gone to my head....

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 3:33 a.m. CST


    by Pingu87

    So you like my website then??? I like the website you recomended it was great!!! Ill post on ere wen i get sum more pictures.!!! pn VCD though :)

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 3:34 a.m. CST


    by Pingu87

    when is the traile gonna b released in usa or uk on the internet?

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 4:14 a.m. CST


    by Sir Mordred

    Where is everyone??? I saw morG and BG, but I guess I didn&#39;t want to look anymore. Are we on a different TB? Or did we all disappear?

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 5:29 a.m. CST


    by SpacePervert

    Love your site, espesh the geeky but cute countdowns. Consider yerself bookmarked. BTW some of your image links on ROTK don&#39;t tie up. *** morGoth, Mercier is a comic genius compared to these numbskulls, but I guess your troll tolerance threshold has been ground down by repeated exposure. Must take a look at those early TB&#39;s.. I was on then with a different ID.

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Aah, Pallando Blue...

    by Mithril

    you&#39;re such a little darling, aren&#39;t you? Thanks for the kind words. About your idea: I thought there should be some kind of epilogue with a montage like the one in the beginning of FOTR, with a voice-over providing details. As much as you want it to be Cate (has the mention of her name got you going again? Do you need another smack?), technically I think it should be by Legolas or Gimli. Legolas probably, since Rhys-Davies is already voicing both Gimli and Treebeard, and having both the opening and closing narrations of the trilogy done by elves would be kind of symmetric. Galadriel can&#39;t really do it, because she sailed away with Elrond, Gandalf, Bilbo and Frodo and wasn&#39;t around for anything in the epilogue. Gimli and Legolas were the last members of the fellowship left in Middle Earth, so they would be the best ones to narrate at the end.

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 9 a.m. CST

    oh, and one more thing, Pallando...

    by Mithril

    just loved your suggestion for the ROTK trailer... should disturb anyone who hasn&#39;t read the book. And even those who have. Your devious mind is working overtime...

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Hey Mithril, you want devious? Chills? Heh heh!

    by Pallando Blue

    Man oh man, the possibilities for the ROTK trailer are absolutely RIFE! Surfing about during lunch, I hit I&#39;ve been long enjoying their "Tolkien Virgin" series. [Every few weeks, this person (same person) who claims complete previous ignorance of LOTR sends in his impressions of the latest chapter as he reads them. Apparently he began the series a long, long time ago chronologically with the Silmarillion--talk about jumping in the deep end!--then The Hobbit, now LOTR. But their archives are murder to navigate, IMO. The guy has an interesting take, seems like he&#39;s genuine.] He&#39;s up to "The Pyre of Denethor" now. What I&#39;m getting at, someone posted this in the message board there, under "check the timeline" (credit where credit is due): "Frodo is captured and Faramir wounded on the same day. After they bring Faramir from the field, Denethor goes to his chamber and looks into the palantir (strange lights are seen coming from his room). Denethor sees more than just the fleet of ships coming up the Anduin, he also sees Frodo has been captured by the Enemy. &#39;Comfort me not with wizards!&#39; said Denethor. &#39;The fool&#39;s hope has failed. THE ENEMY HAS FOUND IT, and now his power waxes; he sees our very thoughts, and all we do is ruinous.&#39; It&#39;s no wonder that Denethor lost all hope." *** I don&#39;t think I&#39;ve ever put that together before, and will be digging thru my ROTK paperback tonight to check it out for myself. But.... howzabout a bit of THAT monologue in the ROTK trailer! Mwahahahahahahaaaaaa

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 2 p.m. CST

    ROTK ending

    by BlueGecko

    I think I great way to end ROTK would be with the Grey Havens scene, then the hobbits traveling back to the Shire with Galadriel VO epilogue in manner of the prologue, then Sam arriving home and "Well, I&#39;m back". Galadriel would make sense for the epilogue because I think in the prologue she is speaking much further in the future ("For none now live who remember" - referring of course to mortals) almost like she&#39;s in our present or something. And Legolas/Gimli would have surely told her what happened to everyone when they arrived at the Grey Havens. But I think all that might be looking at it too literal - it&#39;s a narrative device, really and I think it would wrap up the three films nicely - bookends of Cate&#39;s voice. Fun that this TB is still going on - but there&#39;s been no new LOTR news so we have to keep this one going. Damn, when will we find out about TTT trailer?! Took my grandfolks to The Film last night, and they loved it! Grandpop even stayed awake; for a three hour movie, quite a feat - he fell asleep in HP though.

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Galadriel&#39;s Possible Monologue

    by teapot

    I also think Galadriel should do the ending V.O. if it ends up happening at all. She is the only character in the movie who addresses us as an audience, and I think it would be innapropriate to have *another* character do the same. But do we even need a &#39;wrap-up&#39; concerning events in the appendices? IMHO, the Grey Havens provides enough of an ending, with general happiness for all concerned, and the hint of Sam&#39;s future journey across the sea. I didn&#39;t read the appendices the first time I read TLOTR, and was completely satisfied (and crying my eyes out) by what Tolkien provided in the main text. Granted, reading Appendices A & B did give a sense of finality and closure, but I think it was more &#39;romantic&#39; to leave the characters in the angstily-ever-after limbo.

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 2:25 p.m. CST

    I hang my virtual hat here.

    by teapot

    Ingold: It&#39;s a Work AND Fun job, and that&#39;s why I&#39;m so happy! However, I plan on keeping a browser open on my machine so I can watch you guys talk. Don&#39;t know what I&#39;d do without daily dose of LOTR talkback. No one else in my &#39;real&#39; life is as obsessed with LOTR as I am. Y&#39;all make me feel at home.

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 6:40 p.m. CST

    The Grey Havens

    by Pingu87

    Can you confirm to me exactly what these are and tell me what happens to frodo because my dad says he dioes and goes to "heaven" but i think he just goes to a different land, what really happens?

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 7:20 p.m. CST

    The Return of the King?

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    Just can&#39;t do it, mates... still too psyched over the first one and gloating over the prospect of the second like Gollum does over the prospect of getting the Ring back. And I&#39;m spent... Though I was good today, though it was very hard. I saw two movies that weren&#39;t FOTR, and, to be honest... I enjoyed both of them a lot - Gosford Park and From Hell. I can see how Gosford Park would have been an organisational nightmare to direct, so feel a little mollified, but not entirely. From Hell had some staggering imagery, and I really liked that take on slum London. None of the cityscapes looked very real, probably because I&#39;m familiar with the real thing, and it had this painted on look that a lot of the cityscapes in Gladiator had (though I do think the recreation of the road to the Colliseum through the Forum was rather cool - it looked *familiar*.) However, if one of them had been rubbish, I would have fumed over missing FOTR again. Sigh. ***teapot, congratulations! I want a new job. I have one, but it gets me down - I want to move back to the Smoke where I can complain about the Tube and indulge in conspicuous capitalism on Oxford Street.

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 7:24 p.m. CST


    by AliceInWonderlnd

    Oops, had more to say. A lot of stuff got spoiled for me (I mean that in the non-perjorative sense, since I asked for it by coming here) but one thing that didn&#39;t, and for which I am eternally grateful, is the Balrog. Wow. You know, they must have quite the show over there in Weta cos normally everything gets spoiled left right and center if you know where to look. They must be tight.

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 8:18 p.m. CST

    More on Grey Havens

    by teapot

    After sailing from the Grey Havens, the elven ships sail "The Straight Road" (a magical way) to Aman, aka the Undying Lands, aka Valinor. As far as my research goes, Mortals (including Hobbits) remain mortal in Aman, but they choose when they die. Tolkien specifically said that it was not Heaven, just a place of peace and healing.

  • Feb. 9, 2002, 12:23 p.m. CST


    by Pingu87

    Thanks for that info!

  • Feb. 9, 2002, 12:30 p.m. CST


    by Pingu87

    When in the hell is this real trailer gonna cum out, can you see any version of the trailer yet?

  • Feb. 9, 2002, 3:28 p.m. CST

    by <legolaslover>

    i cant wait 2 see legolas kick ass he is mega cool:) fotr is the best movie ever.

  • Feb. 9, 2002, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Uh Oh

    by Baggins1

    With all this Racist stuff going round just because some races have blonde hair and the orcs have green skin!!??? (i&#39;m confused too) what are people going to say when &#39;Return of the King&#39; comes out and thewe see the southrons (black people) fight with sauron. RACIST!! will be the cry.

  • Feb. 9, 2002, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Trailer Parking! More Managers Grilled!

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    I was in the cinema tonight (I live there, what can I tell you...) and the manager strolled by. I asked him about this trailer and he said several things - yes, there is supposed to be one. He doesn&#39;t know when, but he thinks it will be next month sometime - he said something about it "giving some backbone to the Spiderman hype", whatever that means, but in the case of trailers that he didn&#39;t believe it till he saw it. Well, that&#39;s the moderately cool news from Blighty.

  • Feb. 9, 2002, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Wow! Sockpuppetry!

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    Are we going to have some sockpuppet theatre now? I seem to remember this LOTR troll did that before, and got laughed off the boards.

  • Feb. 10, 2002, 11:26 a.m. CST

    MM M M Oaters....

    by Skyway Moaters here, he&#39;s just been busier than a one armed paper hanger, busier&#39;n a one legged chap in an arse kicking contest with the new job, traveling a lot, and studying for a Citrix certification that has been mandated by my new employer. Besides I just haven&#39;t felt like my old self for whatever reason, change of climes perhaps, and figured that if I didn&#39;t have anything pertinent, or &#39;clever&#39;, or at least irascible to add that I may as well not post, but I&#39;ve been reading the LOTR TB&#39;s all along. And yet when an old friend invokes the N word I can scarcely keep from leaping off the bench of my self-imposed exile. I guess we really are creatures of vanity after all huh? As always-Ingold ol&#39; buddy: "Yew crack me up!" Namarie an&#39; Trubba Not SM{;-0

  • Feb. 10, 2002, 11:28 a.m. CST


    by Skyway Moaters

    ...that should have been "M" word! As in MOATERS.... er, .. sorry...

  • Feb. 10, 2002, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Hey there&#39;s been a deal of controversy...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ..over the re-forging of Narsil cum Anduril. Below is a link to some photos of "Rivendell Forge Tools". What do you want to bet there is a lengthy "meanwhile back at the in Rivendell" sequence featuring the re-forging and Arwen&#39;s making of the banner for Aragorn? I mean unless they really do the Xenarwen thing what else are they going to have the poor maid do to flesh out her character as the romantic lead in cinematic terms? I wish Elladan an Elrohir had not been removed from the script though. I mean they&#39;ve substituted a fictional elf army/red cross when the obvious thing to do would have been to enlarge the party bearing the banner to Aragorn. Not just the Rangers and the Brothers but a larger force of elves including Arwen and (if I had my way) at least one lady in waiting to emphasize Arwen&#39;s amazing lineage. Anyway, back to the original point. They wouldn&#39;t have made these forge tools in such fine finish and of such elaborate design and detail if they did not expect to feature then prominently at some point. These things are finished like "Hero" weapons, for close-up photography perhaps? On the other hand the same site where this picture is has shots of an Elven telescope and sundial that I&#39;m pretty sure were somewhere in the Rivendell sequence but I can&#39;t say that I noticed them an I&#39;ve seen the bloody film 6 times; AND they appear to be of the same level of design and detail, so blah blah blah.... Check out the picture at:

  • Feb. 11, 2002, 3:06 a.m. CST

    ROTK ending

    by Mithril

    Actually, wanted to explain my narration idea a bit more. As Pallando said, Sam&#39;s "I&#39;m back" would be great as an end, so how about having the narration before that? Now, before you go saying "I pity the fool who thought about that" (and how many LOTR/Mr. T fans are there out there? Not very many, I&#39;d guess...), just hear me out. As Sam, Merry and Pippin silently walk back towards the Shire, the narration begins. We first see sort of overlaid images of the hobbit&#39;s futures (and their children) as the narration talks about their lives and what happens to them in the future. Then we get Pippin and Merry heading east, then get to see Gondor in all its new-found glory, see the elvenhome set up by Legolas in Ithilien and Gimli leading his dwarves as the hobbits come to visit them. Then Aragorn and Arwen, Aragorn&#39;s death and burial alongside the hobbits, then Arwen going to Lorien, visiting the hill where they met and dying, then cut back to Gimli and Legolas, as Legolas makes the boat and the two of them sail away. And as the boat disappears into the distance, we slowly fade back to the hobbits, close to home now, parting ways. Sam continues home as the narration says something about there still being a lot of time to go until all that has been seen happens, and for now, the hobbits will live on surrounded by their beloved blooming Shire (sort of wide shot of the Shire here) and their families. Then Sam walks up the path to his smial, walks in, picks up his daughter and says "Well, I&#39;m back". Fade to black, music and end credits. That&#39;s how I&#39;d do it... p.s. Oh, by the way, was I the only one who thought they saw Elladan and Elrohir at the council meeting? They were the two dark-haired younger elves who were positioned between Aragorn and Elrond... Still haven&#39;t figured out who that dark-haired elf seated on Elrond&#39;s left side is. I think it&#39;s a guy, so it can&#39;t be Arwen... Any thoughts? Just a herald or servant?

  • Feb. 11, 2002, 11:14 a.m. CST

    That&#39;s about 1:30 pm in the UK, right?

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    Damn, they better get nominated for loads of stuff or I&#39;m going to throw the WORLD&#39;S MOST ENORMOUS STROP!

  • Feb. 11, 2002, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Award thinkin&#39;s spoilers, elanor! ;)

    by Pallando Blue

    elanor, I promise I&#39;ll warn big time about spoilers regarding the next two movies. But I&#39;m with you as far as any storyline/plot changes. I&#39;m right there wallowing in conjecture with everyone else and loving it, but guesswork&#39;s all I want to do--I don&#39;t wanna KNOW until the movies&#39;re OUT. Don&#39;t expect to see me in any TB&#39;s here that have&#39;em, story spoilers that is. And TORN better watch the spoilers in their damn headlines (oooh, but with a spoiler warning beneath em), as they are wont to do... As for pix, well, I&#39;m still gonna be scooping up as many as I can. But since they&#39;re impossible to post up in this board, you&#39;ll always be able to see &#39;em coming! *** Now &#39;en, about Academy recognition, specifically two I&#39;ve been thinking about. Editing--people always seem to bring up the fight sequences when talking about this category. (And usually knock the film for it. elanor, you had an absolutely brilliant post way back in the Harry&#39;s Review Wars describing the ANTI-choreography of the fight sequences, which you should really keep on your desktop to whip out on the philistines whenever the issue crops up. Fantastic, expressed what I couldn&#39;t quite put my finger on about why the action felt so different, was so rough and exhausting even to an ol action movie freak like me. But veering off my topic here.) It&#39;s everything else in the movie, though, that I hope people take into account concerning the editing. Just thinking about all of the shots required to make any one scene--size differential alone there&#39;s about 4 or 5 ways they pulled off that one particular (though central) trick and often many or all ways were used in a single scene, and then there&#39;s blue screen, CG effects and practical effects, etc. etc.--there must have been a ludicrous amount of actual film spooled through the cameras. And yet all of it was pulled together so seemelssly. Composite work should definitely fall under the category of editing, am I right? Oughta, at least. Just think of the SEEMING simplicity of both scenes between Gandalf and Bilbo in Bag End. Not a hundred Uruk-hai, no fight on 9 fronts: just two old friends, one 6 foot the other 3 foot 6, and a simple dramatic conflict. But think of the practical effort required to pull that scene off, and the audience&#39;s focus is on the drama. Editing is a huge part of that. A more frightening version is Boromir&#39;s assault on Frodo. We never think of Wood and Bean being nowhere near each other. Which brings me to the other it oughta win, but I have a question. SOUND. Now, is that broken up into "sound design" and "sound editing" for the Oscars? I don&#39;t know why it&#39;s in my head that it is, when it probably isn&#39;t. But the reason the editing and effects tricks are REALLY so seamless is because the sound editing is seamless. Again, Bag End scene. That scene has on film at least four actors playing the two people (doubles when necessary) and at no time were the leads sharing the same camera. But the continuity of the voices on and off-camera flow into a single conversation. The other half of that is, of course, that 98% of the dialogue in LOTR was looped in post. Definitely lends itself to the continuity--but, again, a Herculean feat of sound editing. I don&#39;t know if that&#39;s a different job, or part of the film editor&#39;s. But, to use the word again, it is seamless throughout, despite having so many threads to weave together. *** And since the other 7 categories Miami mentioned are an obvious lock, looks like it&#39;s NINE Oscars for the Fellowship! :~)

  • Feb. 11, 2002, 2:20 p.m. CST

    That does it, I&#39;m seeing it again tonight!

    by Pallando Blue

    I wasn&#39;t planning on it, but achieving Dwarf-Lord status the night before little gold statuettes are dangled before us seems only too appropriate. And elanor&#39;s right, the more time between viewings the better it gets--it was 3 weeks since I&#39;d seen it the fifth time when I saw #6 Saturday night, and GREAT GOOGALY MOOGALY it worked as well as ever. I laughed again, I tensed up again, I (aw, heck) even choked up again, in all the right places. And so I wanna see it again! Now! Okay, after work, but TONIGHT! And then I can feel the full force of smug gratification or (heaven forfend) righteous fury as I read the nom&#39;s tomorrow morning.... Gawd, will this workday never END?!? [I get the feeling I&#39;m going to have to buy 2 copies of the DVD so that when one finally meltss through the other can be inserted with a minimum delay; probably need a back-up DVD player, too, when mine starts to smoke and grind gears, but I&#39;ve got until August to save up....]

  • Feb. 11, 2002, 2:26 p.m. CST


    by Pingu87

    Ok all, i have now updated the photos page on my site and it now has pictures of denethor and faramir on it. is its new address so visit it now! thanks for the info on the grey havens by the way but when the hell is this trailer gonna get released???

  • Feb. 11, 2002, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Important character interactions in TTT

    by monkeybomb2000

    There are many things that I&#39;d LOVE to see in TTT - the Ents, the destruction of Isengard, the Battle of Helm&#39;s Deep, the Riders of Rohan, Shelob - but I sure hope Peter Jackson includes the very important interactions between characters, namely Merry and Pippen (their hobbit-like optimism while being manhandled by the orcs), Legolas and Gimli (comparing kills or talking about their future travels together) and Sam and Gollum (I can just see the distrustful, sideways looks they will give each other as they travel with Frodo). I think Sean Astin did a great job with Sam, and I think it&#39;d be a shame if they didn&#39;t make his role as big as it was in the book. I&#39;d love to hear of any other thoughts people have on these topics!

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 4:32 a.m. CST

    Aragorn&#39;s death, Grey Havens,...

    by Mithril

    Just wanted to add a few things. elanor, don&#39;t know if they&#39;ll show Aragorn&#39;s death at the ripe old age of 200+, but hope they do, as I stated in my narration idea. PJ has very clearly set up (even in the first movie) that there is a sadness covering the whole mission: even if they succeed, things will change - the elves will leave, characters will die... I think that&#39;s an added reason they showed Lorien in the movie: that this wonderful place (which was already not as brilliant as it had once been) would disappear and fade away, as Galadriel says of herself after passing her test. Showing the later lives, joys and finally deaths of the characters would fit in perfectly with this idea. *By the way, I&#39;ve always wondered a few things about going over the sea. When Galadriel et al left, did Celeborn go with them. I&#39;ve never read anything about what he does. Does he leave with Galadriel, has he already left and is waiting for her, or is he staying behind for a while, still ruling Lothlorien until it&#39;s time is finally over and he can depart? And whenever he does leave, will he live with Galadriel on the islands, since she seemingly won&#39;t be allowed on the actual mainland? The second question is, since the ships have to be hallowed to reach their destination, and since very few people besides the Valar and elves (the exception made for Bilbo and Frodo was a big one and called for some pulling of strings by Gandalf and a sacrifice on Arwen&#39;s part), will Legolas and Gimli manage to get there without problems. Certainly a dwarf will have more problem getting to the final resting place of elves than the two hobbits, and as far as we know, no-one&#39;s been pulling any special strings for him. Also, Legolas builds the boat they sail on, so has it been properly "hallowed"? Did the two of them take off for the sea knowing that they&#39;d just be sailing around till the end of their days, or did they get to their destination?

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 10:27 a.m. CST


    by Pallando Blue

    Thirteen to shut them ALL up, and in the podium&#39;s spotlight SCHOOL &#39;EM! heee hee heee heeeeeee! OOOh, I&#39;m a happy dancin pointy-headed blue wiz TODAY, me droogies! Oscar time, Oscar time, doh dee doh dee doooo..... 8~D *** monkeybomb, can&#39;t agree with you more. [ELANOR--NO SPOILERS, JUST GUESSES HERE! ;)] But I think there&#39;ll be a lot more room for that kind of characterization now that the large chunk of exposition is out of the way. I&#39;ve read that way back in the 2-movie script, the Frodo-Sam-Gollum story was always right in line with the book, so I&#39;m pretty confident it&#39;ll be handled right. The Merry-Pippin line I think, too, will be done up well--PJ seems to like the hobbits, ya know? That&#39;s just a gut instinct of mine. It&#39;s the Gimli-Legolas relationship that concerns me the most. I really hope it develops like it should. But you have to admit, their contest at Helm&#39;s Deep is tailor-freakin-made for PJ&#39;s sense of humor! THAT just HAS to be in. Which, being a helluva bonding "moment" (especially with Gimli&#39;s Galadriel crush excised), serves to develop their ensuing friendship. I do hope they get it right... *** Speaking of which, Mithril, now you&#39;ve got ME thinking. Sure sounds like a crafty ploy by Legolas, talking Gimli into an extended sea cruise... right out of the Very Secret Diaries. Day 1, Gimli: "Are we there yet"? Day 2, Gimli: "Are we there yet?" Day 3, Gimli: "Are we there yet?" Legolas: "Oh, relax, have a mimosa..." Gimli: "Why do you keep looking at me like that?" (Could someone put the V.S.D. url up again? I lost it.) *** All this talk of Gandalf&#39;s influence getting Frodo and Bilbo on board, don&#39;t overlook Sam. As the last Ringbearer he was allowed to sail West too, many years later. I guess Gandy left standing orders at the Havens? I wonder how many IDs Samwise had to provide at the gangplank.

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Still here, eh?

    by wilko185

    Couldn&#39;t face the Oscar talkback, but congrats to PJ and co (bet they won&#39;t win the "big ones" however :(, but I don&#39;t really care. T&#39;would be nice for Sir Ian though). ____ This is interesting An interview with Christopher Lee, where he says "I&#39;m about to go back to New Zealand to do extra work on The Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers." Would he be going back to NZ just to loop some dialogue, or are they shooting extra scenes I wonder? (He also laughs off talk of a Wicker Man remake with Nic Cage, which would have been "interesting" ie. a disaster, I think) _______ Interesting speculation on the ROTK ending guys, keep it up! The book truly ends for me in the Appendices (don&#39;t think would work on film very well though): ____ " "Estel, Estel!" she cried, and with that even as he took her hand and kissed it, he fell into sleep. Then a great beauty was revealed in him, so that all who after came there looked on him in wonder; for they saw that the grace of his youth, and the valour of his manhood, and the wisdom and majesty of his age were blended together. And long there he lay, an image of the splendour of the Kings of Men in glory undimmed before the breaking of the world. &#39;But Arwen went forth from the House, and the light of her eyes was quenched, and it seemed to her people that she had become cold and grey as nightfall in winter that comes without a star. Then she said farewell to Eldarion, and to her daughters, and to all whom she had loved; and she went out from the city of Minas Tirith and passed away to the land of L

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 12:23 p.m. CST


    by teapot

    Just had to express some enthusiasm. The Oscar TB is totally intimidating. Yikes. Not sure if I even want to look at it. Glad to see all you guys are still here! And I think CassieClaire is going to have a bunch of rabid fans hounding her if she doesn&#39;t put up a new entry soon. I personally am beginning to suffer Strawberry Bubblebath withdrawal symptoms.

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Not intimidating, just overcrowded and boring!

    by Pallando Blue

    Took a scan through the Oscar TB, and read the same three or four posts over and over. Doesn&#39;t help that all the pro-LOTR trolls are embarrassing as hell. ...Am DEFINITELY going to check out In The Bedroom and Gosford Park this week. Must size up the competition...

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Some happy facts and a quote to cheer you up :)

    by wilko185

    Sorry, Elanor, I&#39;ll try and get in the mood ;-). Some facts: 13 nominations isn&#39;t quite a record. Titanic and Gone With The Wind had 14 nominations, and From Here to Eternity, Mary Poppins, Who&#39;s Afraid of Virginia Woolf?, Forrest Gump and Shakespeare in Love had 13. These films ended up with between 5 and 11 Oscars, only Mary Poppins and Who&#39;s Afraid of Virginia Woolf failing to get the Best Picture award. So maybe FOTR has a shot at it?_______ And a LOTR quote: "And all the host laughed and wept, and in the midst of their merriment and tears the clear voice of the minstrel rose like silver and gold, and all men were hushed. And he sang to them, now in the Elven-tongue, now in the speech of the West, until their hearts, wounded with sweet words, overflowed, and their joy was like swords, and they passed in thought out to regions where pain and delight flow together and tears are the very wine of blessedness." ______ (Damn, even the happy bits can make you cry, can&#39;t they?)

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 4:04 p.m. CST


    by AliceInWonderlnd

    A most excellent result. Wow. It feels like a journey following a film about a journey... the noms are nice but my heart will know no satisfaction until it wins best pic, which it deserves. However, I&#39;m not sure it will, ABM seems to be the favourite (I&#39;ve not seen it, it&#39;s not out yet) but I am very surprised Ian McKellan got his nomination - I wouldn&#39;t have thought playing a wizard would be Oscar-bait, no matter how bloody good you were and how much you deserved it. It is a chink of light, indeed. And thanks, PB, for the lovely quotes. Very apposite.

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Don&#39;t stop the quote there, wilko, cripes

    by Pallando Blue

    ...&#39;And the minstrel began to warble, in ridiculously heavy vibrato, "Frodo-o-o-o, of the Ni-i-i-ine Finge-e-e-ers, and the Ri-i-ing of Doo-oo-oo-oo-oo-mmmm!" sounding conspicuously like a minor 70s folk singer...&#39; [Don&#39;t you two start gettin me all misty, dagnabbit. No fair pushin a softie&#39;s buttons!] *** Here&#39;s some more fun facts: (1) The movie with the most nominations has won Best Picture every year since 1990. (2) The B.O. >phew!< numbers will soon leap up yet again, with the combination of (a) the PR from these noms, (b) the ANY-FLIPPIN&#39;-DAY NOW PLEASE THANK YOU attachment of the 4-minute T2T trailer, and (c) the continual expansion of the global distribution. For example as to the latter, it JUST opened in Russia, and STILL hasn&#39;t opened in Japan (and thereabouts)--watch those two brand new markets boffo up the box office like folx ain&#39;t expectin&#39;. And one of my favorite stats: Literally 20% of the population of the Scandinvian nations has seen Fellowship, it has been estimated. Big, big smiles at that one. *** AND, everything elanor said! :-) dangit, now she&#39;s getting me all choked up again... Man, you two! Cut it out! >snerfle< >honk<

  • &#39;But to Sam the evening deepened to darkness as he stood at the Haven; and as he looked at the grey sea he saw only a shadow on the waters that was soon lost in the West. There still he stood far into the night, hearing only the sigh and murmur of the waves on the shores of Middle-earth, and the sound of them sank deep into his heart. Beside him stood Merry and Pippin, and they were silent.&#39; Anyone else have a favorite Tolkien-Tear-Jerker quote of the day?

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Wilko! Forgive me!

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    Erroneously misquoting the poster of quotes. I am deserving of a violent death, or at least a clip round the ear. And where the bloody hell is this trailer then?

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Alice, you&#39;re forgiven

    by wilko185

    especially as I&#39;m not actually typing these quotes out :-), but (terrible confession) just cutting and pasting from my slightly illegal newly downloaded LOTR. ____ PB, I purposefully omitted the description of the folk-singing troubador as being just too tear-jerking ;-). _____ There&#39;s a rumour (started on TORN, I think) that the trailer&#39;s out on Feb 15th, though it seems odd there&#39;s no official word yet. To put a slight damper on things, I still think it might hurt FOTR&#39;s Oscar chances that the next 2 installments are in the can, but I expect at least one of the three to get best picture. ___________ _________ "&#39;Old fool!&#39; he said. &#39;Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!&#39; And with that he lifted high his sword and flames ran down the blade. ____ Gandalf did not move. And in that very moment, away behind in some courtyard of the City, a cock crowed. Shrill and clear he crowed, recking nothing of wizardry or war, welcoming only the morning that in the sky far above the shadows of death was coming with the dawn. ___ And as if in answer there came from far away another note. Horns, horns, horns. In dark Mindolluin&#39;s sides they dimly echoed. Great horns of the North wildly blowing. Rohan had come at last." ___________ Excuse me.... got something in my eye here dammit....

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 4:51 p.m. CST

    "The academy has followed the good taste of the public and disce

    by Pallando Blue

    Now THERE&#39;S a quote for ya! That McKellen. Absolutely amazing. How can this guy, who isn&#39;t Tolkien, be so darn quotable? :~) Almost half the reason I want him to win is to hear his acceptance speech. *** Fave tear-jerker, eh? My, um, copy&#39;s at home... >gulp< >sniffle< guys, I swear....

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 5:03 p.m. CST

    DVD news?

    by wilko185

    PJ says he will put an extra 30 minutes in for the FOTR DVD, and has done a voiceover. Not sure if that was actually confirmed before .... [It&#39;s in a 7 minute interview linked on this page,1227,81217-1-7,00.html Crappy Realplayer required]

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Get your mind out of the gutter, Miami, you&#39;re dragging this

    by wilko185

    I just put "manhood" in a search engine (trying to confirm the town of Manhood really exists, for some reason), and got to _____ ahem. Anyway, Tolkien did indeed sneak in to LOTR yet another double entendre. He was a sly one ;-). _____ In an effort to get back on track, I&#39;ll just say the official site has just been updated with some elvish soundclips from the film.

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 6:03 p.m. CST

    ::sniffle:: (still all broke up over those Tolkien quotes)

    by teapot

    McKellen is genius under pressure. He manages to handle every situation gracefully. I don&#39;t think I&#39;ve ever read a quote from him that wasn&#39;t pointedly civil and thoughtful. And I absolutely agree, the one about the &#39;good taste of the public&#39; is brilliant; it&#39;s something I have wanted to say but couldn&#39;t think of how to begin.

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 6:21 p.m. CST

    SPOILERS: Havens, Poems, and Teeny Dark Lords...

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    I never got how tickets to Valinor were handed out either, myself. Arwen giving the jewel to Frodo seems to single him out, but he ends up going with Bilbo, and Sam joins them later. The only thing that seems to work in my mind is that somehow you *know* you&#39;re pre-approved, like Gimli, possibly through dreams. (Frodo dreams of the Sea a fair bit, if I recall). I remember reading the ending of LOTR and being absolutely stunned - rather like Sam, I had no *idea* that Frodo wasn&#39;t going to live (fairly uncomfortably but) happy ever after in the Shire, until he says he&#39;s leaving. That said, it wasn&#39;t as incredibly traumatic to me as the ending of "The Last Battle" ("What do you mean, they were all dead! What is this shit you&#39;re giving me to read?" (Or words to that effect from a six year old)). In any case, I was looking through TORN and came across Tolkien&#39;s remarks on how Frodo could never be a Dark Lord, even if he got the chance. I personally find this very dissappointing - how cool would an Evil!Frodo be? FRODO: Ha! I shall crush the armies of the West beneath my heel, and rule all Middle Earth from my impregnable fortress, Bag End... SAM: Cup of tea, Mr. Frodo? FRODO: Ooh, thanks. Have we got any cake in? Speaking of quotes, the thing Tolkien wrote that affects me most is possibly the poem "The Sea Bell", too long to quote in its entirety but the final verse, which always gives me goosebumps, goes as follows: "Houses were shuttered, wind round them muttered,/ roads were empty, I sat by a door, / and where drizzling rain poured down a drain / I cast away all that I bore:/ in my clutching hand some grains of sand/ and a sea-shell silent and dead./ Never my ear will that bell hear,/ never that shore my feet tread./ Never again, as in sad lane,/ in blind alley and in long street /ragged I walk. To myself I talk:/ for still they speak not, men that I meet."

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 6:38 p.m. CST

    LOL Alice

    by teapot

    "What is this shit you&#39;re giving me?!!" That was my reaction too! And it was also the point at which it dawned on my (admittedly dense) eleven-year-old brain that I was reading about the Christian Apocalypse acted out by a bunch of kids and some barnyard animals.

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 7:01 p.m. CST

    teapot and the Apocalypse

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    (In Monica from Friends voice) "I KNOW!" My mum kept trying to console me, "But they went to Heaven, love!" and all the while my child-like agnostic mind is screaming, "Going to Heaven is NOT sufficient compensation for being dead!". And I&#39;d ploughed through all seven of those bastard things! My Mum says I was "quiet" for days. LOTR freaked me out too, but I was a little older (well, 12) and was able to take the blows a little better. I hear they&#39;ve sold the rights to Narnia, but to be honest, they are very definitely kids&#39; books. I couldn&#39;t get too worked up about any of them - except for The Horse and His Boy and also Voyage of the Dawn Treader... oh, screw it. I&#39;d be in line for all of them. Except maybe the last one.

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 7:02 p.m. CST

    No Dark Lord Frodo?

    by wilko185

    That&#39;s a disappointment. He could have been a ringwraith though, right? (if he&#39;d been stabbed by the Witch King) A little Frodo wraith trotting along on his pony behind the 9 Nazgul is quite a chilling thought. Or not :). _________ Re Gimli, a quote from the appendices: "We have heard tell that Legolas took Gimli Gl

  • Yeah, you and me both on that Heaven thing. I&#39;d be in line for all seven myself- except maybe Prince Caspian, which bored me to death. And by the way, what the hell is Turkish Delight? I have never ever in my life been able to figure it out. Candy, I know, but what *kind* of candy? ***The fact that New Line has purchased the rights to Pullman&#39;s &#39;His Dark Materials&#39; is interesting. I would get in line for all three of those, as well. Though just like Narnia, H.D.M. is full of allegory verging on the ridiculous; and both authors suck at endings.

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Dark Lords, Wraiths, and Sam

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    For the heads-up on Frodo&#39;s chances of becoming the next Lord of the Rings, it&#39;s at Apparently Tolkien answered this in his letter. It is extremely disappointing news for anyone interested in the form Ultimate Evil takes when being three foot six and having hairy feet. In any case, regarding his stabbing, I think Frodo would become a "wraith" as in a disembodied being of fell but nevertheless quite short appearance, but probably more in a repulsive, pitiable way, as opposed to the Ringwraiths, who would be it in a bad-ass, sword-wrangling way. Awww. Poor little guy. Being good is such a huge toil and yet there are no career prospects in being evil either, seemingly... Thought just struck me - if Frodo were to go over to the bad and (hypothetically, I know) become Evil Overlord of all Middle Earth, how long do you think it would be before Sam gave in his notice? A week? A month? Never?

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Turkish Delight

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    It&#39;s a soft, semi-transparent jelly candy scented and flavoured with roses. It&#39;s pink, normally cut into bite-sized squares, and covered with either icing sugar or chocolate. It&#39;s very sweet, but I do love the chocolate covered version. There is something gorgeously decadent about eating things flavoured with flowers.

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 7:59 p.m. CST


    by teapot

    Wow, turkish delight actually sounds quite good! Had some lovely flower candy from Japan once. Couldn&#39;t tell which flower, though. And Sam would *never* give his notice. Heck, he probably wouldn&#39;t even notice Frodo&#39;s lack of hobbity-goodness. Is there a cover at Club Angband? Got to dig my sexy-punk-rock-elven garb out of the closet for the party....

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Come to think of it, it was clover flavored.

    by teapot

  • Feb. 12, 2002, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Sir Ian McKellen spills the beans? **POSSIBLE FILM SPOILERS**

    by wilko185

    Well I&#39;m just full of "news" lately. Possibly significant Sir Ian M interview on the Johnny Vaughn show on UK TV. ___JV: "Tell me, have you ever been impaled on a piece of wood?" [don&#39;t ask] ________Ian M: "No I haven&#39;t, but Christopher Lee in the Lord of the Rings has, in the next film the Twin[sic] Towers." ______ Well, this doesn&#39;t mean Saruman is killed in TT, of course, maybe just injured. But it suggests the photo of the impaled figure we saw a while back really was Saruman (in a Chris Lee - Dracula-resurrection homage?)

  • Feb. 13, 2002, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Response to Pud (wacker)

    by Timbiotic

    Why don&#39;t you think before you speak? By now, probably everyone has informed you that Dungeons and Dragons is just a lame ass rip off of Tolkein&#39;s Fantasy World. The Hobbit was published in 1937 (, though Tolkein had been working on his world since 1916). Your little game (which I also happen to enjoy): Dungeons & Dragons was started as a wargame by Tactical Studies Rules in 1973. In 1975, the company incorporated as TSR, Inc., and D&D took its place as the grandfather of all role-playing games (<a href="">Roleplaying Games</a>). As for Gygax: 1973: Gary and Don Kaye form Tactical Studies Rules, an equal partnership (<a href="">GyGax</a>). Look at the facts bozo. Everyone and their grandmother knows that the lineage goes from George MacDonald to Tolkein and Lewis and on (though much is derived brom stories like Beowulf and Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, Canterbury Tales and such).

  • Feb. 15, 2002, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Arwen&#39;s Diary is up now! YAY!

    by teapot

    dunno where else to post this.

  • Feb. 15, 2002, 5:28 p.m. CST

    "Went all the way to the Gap of Rohan only to find there is no G

    by Pallando Blue

    Brilliant! Thanks for the heads up, teapot! If I weren&#39;t so bloody bored, however, I would never&#39;ve found it. So thank the too-late-to-do-any-work too-early-for-happy-hour blues for that. As for everyone else, there&#39;s been a pretty civil group over at the T2T cricket story, though today&#39;s been dead. And elanor&#39;s been ripping the Oscar nominations TB to absolute shreds. That little hobbit lass kicks ASS. Who&#39;d a thunk? Welp, I&#39;ll keep a blue peeper out for ya.

  • Feb. 15, 2002, 9:14 p.m. CST


    by teapot

    knew they were hidin somewhere. think i&#39;ll mosey on over...

  • Feb. 19, 2002, 5:01 p.m. CST


    by Pingu87

    PJ said that the trailer will b released in mid march and will b shown at the end of FOTR wen sam and frodo black out!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH apparently it goes in at just over 4 mins!

  • March 27, 2002, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Guillermo del Toro?

    by acg_pollo

    Does Guillermo del Toro have anything to do with Lord of the Rings?

  • March 31, 2002, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Fuck Pud and all of the other lord of the rings bashers

    by chris111200pvi

    Pud, who gives a fuck about that bastard!! I am getting sick and fucking tired of all of those lord of the rings bashers. They are just pissed because they are probaly a bunch of fucking ass pirates who finger their assholes to gay porn all day. They are probably upset because they know they are fukcing reatards that could never be as creative a person that peter jackson is, and they know that they could never create such a wonderful piece of artwork that lord of the rings is. Fuck pud, fuck him up his stupid ass. If he was here i would beat the shit out of him for his being so stupid . I hope Pud fucking gets hits by an 18 wheeeler, and that a piece of the 18 wheeler hooks into his skin dragging him down a highway for an extended amount of time, and then when it finally lets go, every lord of teh rings fan gets to walk over and take a nice long smelly shit on his face. Fuck you pud you worthless piece of ass fuck, you are probably a fucking nerd who has never kissed a girl who sits in his fucking basement and cries all day because he has no friends and his dad beats the shit out of him. It is not lord of the rings fault that your are fucking pathetic and that your dad fucks you in the ass everyday and whips you around like his own personal slave bitch. Maybe you should just kill yourself and get it over with, because you never served a purpose anyway, you sack of horse shit. Fuck you, you fucking gay fuck!! P.S. you are the most worthless fuckface ever. There is no point to your existence. Do every one a favor and beat the shit out of yourself for being so gay.