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ATTACK OF THE CLONES Script Review!!!
Harry here, some mornings are just weird as all hell. I talked to Moriarty yesterday, who has read the ATTACK OF THE CLONES script at a sources' abode Saturday Night. He was very very happy with the script. Loved the introduction of Jar Jar Binks, the last scene of young Boba Fett and felt that the revisions made to the script, in terms of the material Lucas has shot as part of the re-shoots, were exceptional decisions. When I asked him what didn't he like? He stated that he personally would have prefered less romance and more with Obi Wan and Christopher Lee's character, but at the same time he was suprised by how much Dooku was in the actual script.
His favorite action scene as described seemed to be a scene with Mace Windu and Jango Fett, especially as it has been modified. I don't want to say more, because I'm sure Moriarty will fill all of you in with his next Rumbling at some point... And why am I telling you this at all, and why isn't Mori's review up?
Apparently this morning, Moriarty was whisked to a hospital with chest pains and breathing problems. I talked to his girlfriend, who was shook, but said Moriarty was in a cantankerous state... filled with cussing frustration at what was going on. I've yet to hear an update on his condition, but I did see that DARK HORIZONS posted a review from someone calling themselve 'Ali'. The review has spoilers for the set up and mild 'late-film' spoilers, but is quite positive in regards to the film.
God willing, Moriarty will be back and able to finish his report in the next couple of days, till then read this excellent review:
CLICK HERE TO READ THE REVIEW!!!
MORIARTY IS ALIVE AND TIRED AS HELL!!! The Hospital Said he had no heart to attack. Apparently his pnuemonia had complications and he is going to be ok.... well he's still Moriarty... but he's cool and resting. To wish him well call 323 851 6038 or email at here
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Jan 28, 2002 12:41:46 PM CST
i feel a stirring in the force...could it be that the series is
by exador
when i read posts like this...i start to have hope again....and after the suckage of PM (yeah i know, some of you actually liked it.....it had it's moments, but over all it was a pretty weak effort) we all need a new hope....maybe this is it....maybe georgie got it right this time....
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We'll see in May...(shudder)
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can't wait to see the movie... hope it looks as beautiful digitally as everyone says...
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Mori, I hope everything is alright and that you get in better health soon. On a less important note, I'm cheered that those who have read the AOTC script are enjoying it, as that gives me great hope and comfort.
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Hope you feel better soon, Moriarty. We're thinking of ya.
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I am sooooo there opening night!!!
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The fact remains, and even more so considering Moriarty taking ill, that your site is a free site that people can come to whenever they want at no cost to enjoy tons of news presented in a humourous and fun way. The current theme of attacks directed at the site in reference to 'lack of updates or scoops' reveals the poor character of many visitors especially when you realise that Harry and especially Moriarty and others are just human and have their own lives and health to take care of.
The script review doesn't matter the constant updates don't matter until you're all feeling at full health and even then, only when you feel you have time.
We should feel blessed that there are sites like this and Dark Horizons that bring us up to minute news at no cost, and in my current position- in debt after uni and struggling to earn enough to travel across this America and Europe- I for one am glad. -
I paid to see Lord Of The Rings. It was good but, I could've waited until the DVD release. A movie like FOTR couldn't get made in a world without George Lucas. When Lucas had Ep. 4, Tolkien had that crappy Ralph Bakshi animated movie. So, enough of this LOTR v. SW bullshit and be glad we live in a world where both myths can co-exist! Besides, AOTC will have better visula f/x, better sound design, better action sequences, better music, Natalie Portman, Ewan McGregor, Samuel L. Jackson and Christopher Lee. Yaay!!!!
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I am keeping hope alive. I still believe it's possible to have a kick ass Star Wars film. The only down side is that there will be no sarcasm like there was in the previous trilogy. That's what these films need, a few good sarcastic characters. Both Han and Leia were constantly annoyed
with other characters and the events surrounding them and used biting humor at every turn. I understand that sarcasm comes from a time when the universe is a darker place but it's still missed in this set of films. On another note, let's not start the whole LOTR vs Star Wars thing again. It's not an either/or thing kids, you are allowed to like both, either or neither of the films. Not everything is a contest geek boys. -
for me to poop on.
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Hi, oh that's nice. Wait, no that sucks. Is there a girl in your office with a bad lisp? http://www.geocities.com/lord_mall
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The Phantom Menace script doesn't reveal much about Jake Lloyd's terrible acting and Jar Jar's irritating voice, so I wouldn't trust the Clones script either.--------------------------------- I hope it turns out to be a good movie but the trailer failed to excite me, and any audiences I've seen it with. Huge difference between this time round and before PM trailer was showing.----------------------------------- It seems it will just turn out to be a heavily romantic story which is ok for a movie like Titanic but not for Star Wars. I always had the impression from the original trilogy that Vader's and Luke's mother's relationship had never been very romantic or even existant. I was hoping after PM that Lucas was pulling the wool over everyone's eyes and would spring a surprise in Clones that Amidala isn't Luke and Leia's mother after all, as everyone expects. Unfortunately it seems Clones will be as predictable as I'm expecting it to be.------------------------------------ And lastly Harry, FIX THE GODDAMN SITE. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD IT'S ONLY A SIMPLY PIECE OF PROGRAMMING TO ALLOW TALKBACKERS TO USE ***PARAGRAPHS***!!!x10
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Jar-Jar Binks and young Boba Fett. Thank you, Good night now!!! Oh and Georgie-boy, give us the original, non-Greedo firing first version of the original movie on DVD please.
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Why don't you D&D cocksuckers just stay away from the SW subjects? You're opinions are not wanted here, and we don't care how much you love your hot steamy turd of a trilogy, and don't care to read how many times you masterbate to the scene where Gandolf this and Froto that. Face it, it's not the SW fans that are getting their panties in a bunch over all this hype machine. All you blah blah about what an imact this movie has had and this and that. Save it. LOTR will never shine a light to the impact on pop culture that SW has had. It will make its $300, and go down as a top ten movie, but remember a-holes, we are paying 8-10 dollars a movie nowadays, not the $2.50 it cost in 1977. Why diont you get your level 9 wizard calculators out and refigure SW with the cost of inflation. Even Titanic would be lost at sea when you compare the total tickets sold. Congrats to P jackson and co for putting in alot of effort, and paving the way for other series to be preapprove in their entirety before the intitial release, but please shut your lame fans up and piss them off by doing a Bond movie or something!!!!!
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if this movie sucks.
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you bashers suck
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Jan 28, 2002 1:17:25 PM CST
and please stop writing about lotr, this is a star wars talkback
by pparker
this movie makes me sick. lotr here, lotr there
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Why do SW fans bash LOTR? Why do LOTR fans bash SW? Cut the crap guys and stop bashing this film until you see it.
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Jan 28, 2002 1:21:31 PM CST
Floydof73 <-- (great username by the way, did you just hit your
by kentrel
You're so obviously a troll, so normally I wouldn't reply but today I'm in a playful mood so here I go. D&D and LOTR? where's the connection? There's a closer connection between D&D and StarWars since the same geeks play both RPG's while LOTR RPG's were pretty scarce until recently. Anyway, RPG's are sad no matter who plays them. Ok, you said LOTR will never have as much of an influence on culture as SW has? Well, wake up and smell the coffee, LOTR has been influencing culture since the day the book was published. Most sci-fi\fantasy writers will tell you LOTR influenced them. Hell, a lot of other genre writers will tell you how much LOTR influenced them. And do I need to remind your stupid little ass how MUCH LORD OF THE RINGS influenced STAR WARS! Lucas has mentioned it many times though I suspect he's been keeping his mouth firmly shut the past few months once he's realised how LOTR has revealed all SW shortcomings. With the first movie just out a whole new generation of people will be influenced. Also, Fellowship is after all a THIRD of a movie. Not part one of a trilogy, so the Box Office Fellowship has made is PRETTY DAMN GOOD FOR ONLY A THIRD OF A MOVIE. Add up the takings of all three in 2004 and you'll flatten Titanic and every other piece of shit ever made including, and especially Star Wars. At least once LOTR is out it will always be remembered as a great masterpiece of movie making, and a great adaption of a great book. You won't get a "second" trilogy which will come along and complete destroy any respectability the "first" trilogy had. btw, this guy is obviously only trying to start a flame war so keep your cool guys.
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Jan 28, 2002 1:23:50 PM CST
LostHighway: Harry has so many health problems because well...lo
by kentrel
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please stop it
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Get well soon, ok M?
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...Jeez, man, take it easy. We're all pulling for you. Glad to hear the script is good. All signs point toward a great movie. Can't wait.
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Jan 28, 2002 1:29:26 PM CST
You know what I like best about this review- NO MIDICHLORIANS!!!
by blue devil
I will take all the Jar Jar Lucas can dish out if it means dropping the stupid midichlorian subplot. That was easily the weakest point of TPM and deserves little if no screen time in AOTC. Let's just hope Lucas finds a graceful way of resolving the issue or sidestepping it.
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Jan 28, 2002 1:30:16 PM CST
WHY WE SHOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT AOTC AND WHY LUCAS IS STILL #1 OVER
by lost-ark-1
Yes my friends, I said it. First, I believe we can look forward to AOTC much more than TPM. Why, because it looks very much like Lucas has learned a lot of hard lessons from TPM. It seems pretty clear that he has taken many of the criticisms to heart. This time out he has had help writing the script. That's new. He knew that he needed a little script help to breath a little life into his characters. Secondly, HE'S LISTENING TO FANS. I want to piss all over the little bastards who love to post about how Lucas doesn't care about fans. What the fu*k do yu think Jango Fett is? Do you think he would exist at all if Lucas didn't know how much fans love the Boba Fett character. Jango is like a love letter to them. We now get to see the great Boba Fett battle that we always wished ROTJ had given us. That slave ship in the trailer is a ball busting killing machine. It's my favorite scene from the trailer. The guy's tossing Obi Wan around!!! Now that is cool. That is FOR FANS. Yes, TPM wasn't nearly what it should have been. So many missed opportunities. But let's not forget the breathtaking fx. Those shots of Naboo in 2 second establishing shots have ten times the imagination and majesty than Jackson gave us with the Elf City. And while the CGI characters and amazing ground battle from LOTR is ten times as good as that from TPM do I really have to point out to you jackass nimrods that TPM is now a few YEARS OLD!!!! Of course the fx in LOTR are going to be better, it's brand new! Morons... Finally, let us never forget that Lucas actually created Star Wars while Peter Jackson mearly read LOTR. That is a cataclysmic difference. Jackson is a director and Lucas is a creator. Not only did he create the entire Star Wars mythos, but he also created Indiana Jones. Until Jackson even creates a single movie let alone his own franchise then shut the hell up fanboys. Be excited Star Wars fans, I've been keeping myself clear of spoilers but I'm getting hints that the stuff in AOTC is going to blow peoples minds. Unlike TPM he isn't ruining every scene in the trailer. Let's hope he sticks to that and keeps some surprises. BUt I think it's clear that the scenes in AOTC are once again showing that ILM is the best fx house. They are kings for a reason.
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but i dont think you should call the fans lotr homos, that wasnt nice floyd
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Jan 28, 2002 1:32:15 PM CST
oh Kuntrel, I'm honored you could put Everquest down long en
by floydof73
Can you give me just one example of how these books influenced SW? I never remember reading Lucas naming Tolkein as a point of reference. I belive you are reffering to Old School Flash Gordon, or even Kirosawa, but please. Look, I am not saying LORT doesnt have a place, but who the fuck are you(fans of the series) to point and say SW is dead. Fotr is supposed to be some trimph, but yet it will not break the top 5. TPM was the lamest of 4 so far, but still it is # 2 all time. Doesnt that say something? My whole point was lets just let SW fans have their area to talk about SW, and LOTR fans just stay the fuck out with all your jealousies and hostility.
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Hope he is well soon. As for SW, I am reserving judgement til I see it. Lucas is on his third strike with me... if it rocks, all is forgiven, if it sucks... well, things will get ugly. Very ugly.
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I love Fellowship of the Ring, I think it's one of the best films I've ever seen. But could we please stick to the topic at hand? Why the hell does LOTR need to be mentioned in a Star Wars TB? I'm talking to both Star Wars and LOTR trolls. 'P Parker', you seem to take shots at FOTR in other TBs, so you should shut the hell up. It's idiots like you, 'Atilla the Hen', and 'Floydof73' up there who keeps these stupid, childish arguments going. And Floyd, Star Wars trolls come and post their 'interesting' comments on LOTR boards, so maybe there's jealusy and hostility going around in both camps. And box-office doesn't mean anything about quality. As for this news, can I dare to get my hopes up? Yes, I think I will. After all, it cannot possibly be worse than TPM. If this harkens back to the adventure of the old films, instead of the dull politics and crap humour of TPM, we could have a worthy Star Wars films on our hands! I just hope that they use ADR to fix the stuff shown in the trailer.
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Frankly, I'm surprised no one else thought of it yet...
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sorry
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I do remember your review for TPM script, and you raved over it. I love Star Wars, I'll be there on the opening night, but I'll retain a degree of scepticism. What a great year for geeks: Spider-Man, Attack Of The Clones and The Two Towers. Whoo-Hoo!
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Funny post. I like the part where you said, "it's not the SW fans that are getting their panties in a bunch over all this hype," then go on to um...get your panties in a bunch. Let's relax people! They're just movies. We're all here to talk about them and enjoy the company of fellow geeks. On a serious note, I hope Moriarty will be okay. Prayers are with you.
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But a script and a movie are 2 seperate things. Everyone relax until it's released.
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Jan 28, 2002 2:02:15 PM CST
The similiarities between LOTR and SW for the blind (or stupid)
by kentrel
LOTR: Wise old man helps young hero
SW: Ditto
LOTR: Wise old man sacrifices his life at the end of Part 1 to save the others
SW: Ditto
LOTR: Evil Dark Lord Sauron
SW: Evil Emperor
LOTR: Former Good guy turns bad (Saruman)
SW: Former Good guy turns bad (Vader)
LOTR: Rings of power can be used for Good or Evil
SW: The Force can be used for Good or Evil
LOTR: Frodo's glowing sword
SW: Light sabre
LOTR: Frodo loses appendage fighting evil (Gollum)
SW: Ditto for Luke
LOTR: Endor is the elven name for Middle-earth
SW: Endor is the name of Ewok's moon.
LOTR: Elves\Rangers
SW: Jedi
The list goes on and on.... You must be the only person on the planet who doesn't know that Star Wars was heavily influenced by Lord of the Rings. OK, a lot of fiction is, and that's ok, and Star Wars makes entertaining escapism, but it doesn't hold a candle to Lord of the Rings. And also, what the fuck is Everquest? There you are trying to insult me by throwing names of shit at me expecting me to be a sad geek who actually reads\plays\fucks whatever the hell it is. The fact that you know about it, and I don't, and you're calling me+LOTR fans geeks doesn't bode too well on you, now does it. Star Wars was great while it lasted but TPM was its heart attack, Clones looks like it will be it's Coronary By-Pass and Ep6 will probably be its death. RIP Star Wars. It was good while it lasted. I'm sorry it's legacy was destroyed by a director who's long past his prime.
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Jan 28, 2002 2:05:05 PM CST
Floydof73 : I'm a Tolkien cocksucker, not a DnD cocksucker
by iamlegolas
Get your facts straight.
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So, can nothing satisfy you? Obviously, but you know...Ol' Dirty here knows why...
It seems that some of you are upset that AOTC has romantic elements involved. Wow. So I guess that love is a human emotion, and Luke and Leia were more than likely cloned? Hell, because it was the Future Darth Vader, the most logical explaination is that he used the Force to produce an immaculate conception, right?
I understand as a well-adjusted human being who lives in reality at least 12 out of a 24 hour day that fanboys are not usually given the luxury of loving or even lusting after a person of the opposite sex that isn't either an actress or a figment of their fucking imagination, so any type of romance in Star Wars, the holiest of holy fanboy grails, is heresy and more than likely George Lucas raping your childhood, much like you rape each other. I guess. Anyway, I guess none of you noticed the romantic overtones in the original trilogy, but who can argue with someone who calls themself "Darth Siskel" or "Obi-Wanna get laid once in my miserable life"? Look, it's obvious that this film will make some people happy, and others...jealous. Be haters, because a hater is someone who has no intrinsic talent of their own and as a result must pick apart the work of others who obviously have more talent and imagination that the hater does in their wettest dream. So sit back, shut the fuck up, watch the movie and for Christ's Sake...go get some pussy, or go get some dick, anything to help "transport" you into a more reasonable sensibility. -
hilarious. and right too... I really do need to get laid ;)
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Queen Amidala is racing to the planet Citipark to throw out the first ball in the annual Jedi/Sith softball game. Palpatine has been trying to lure star centerfielder and homerun hitter Anakin Skywalker to his team to no avail. Desperate, he devises a scheme to blow Ani's concentration. Good looking clone Lothario Jano Fett will hit on Padme in the bleechers, hopefully causing Ani to blow the game. There's a great chase when Obi Wan and Mace Windu take off after Jango to teach him a lesson about "trying to steal our women". Cornered, Jango almost kills them but the Jedi are saved by the sudden arrival of a Paternity Suit Droid, PSD-109, who has the son Jango fathered with an Alderanean mother. The Jedi win the game for the 4000639th year in a row, and after too many beers, Padme agrees to let Anakin fly her home in his landspeeder. Obi Wan, tired of Anakin getting all the fine women, decides the scope out the groupie reject line at a concert by interstellar boy band N'Jedi. It's a good thing for him that Yoda, Jar Jar, Mace Windu and the rest of the Jedi have the same idea because instead of an audience of alien teenyboppers, the amphitheater is filled with thousands of somewhat scrawny and ineffectual clones (because let's face it, Stormtroopers suck! They wear armor but you can still knock 'em out). It's a battle royale. Meanwhile, Anakin takes his first step toward the dark side by sneaking out of Padme's place in the morning and not sending flowers or even calling later...
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I never thought of it before but you're right, they could've easily said that the original trilogy was part love story before the films came out. I wonder if people would've freaked out then thinking the whole Han and Leia thing was gonna be sappy teenage girl crap.
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Until the Star Wars bashers are finally shown for what they are. The script is awesome and any ghost of Episode 1 will be laid to rest. Mercier:- Mr Lucas is about to SCHOOL you, so dont be late.
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Yes good news about AOTC. The script is actually good. And exciting. But of course I'm sure this ia a huge disappointment to the LOTR crowd who for some reason pray for SW's demise. Even if the movie comes out and everyone loves it, just pretend for a moment, you will still be saying "No it sucks sucks sucks!" Not because you think it sucks, but because you don't want to admit it's good. Just let the stupid LOTR/SW thing die. It's so irrelevent to anything. The movies come out 6 months apart. After LOTR 3 is done there's still 2 years to SW 3. What the hell is the deal? They're in no way competing at the Box Office. One movie isn't going to steal another one's profits.
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and he said YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKING SLAVES. It's not HEART ATTACK OF THE CLONES, YA SCUM!
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The reason "Lord of the Rings" always gets mentioned in conjunction with "Star Wars" isn't just that they are both epic fantasy trilogies that draw heavily on ancient mythic concepts and storytelling traditions. It's really all about the power of film to infect a generation. Lucas pulled from many of the same mythic hero quest traditions as Tolkien did just in terms of story structure. But we're talking about films here, not literature. It's a shame that the battle lines have been drawn between these two camps that really have so much in common. The original "Star Wars" trilogy infected an entire generation. There's no question about it. If you were born between roughly 1965 and 1980, then your whole world of mythology is likely centered around "Star Wars." That series even infects young kids today, and it's hard to say when it will become outdated and passe for the new kids (if we aren't already there). But the new generation doesn't read as much as the old. That's a fact. More storytelling is now passed down through cinematic means than ever before, so many kids of this new generation will discover "Lord of the Rings" through the movies first. "Lord of the Rings" has the same potential (and I mean potential; not certainty) to form the mythology of this new generation as "Star Wars" did to the previous one. I doubt seriously that Episodes One through Three will have the same power if "Phantom Menace" is any indication. It doesn't matter really, since this is only the beginning of a story that we already know the end of. I don't want to come down hard on either side. I grew up with "Star Wars." My "adult eyes" did not find much love for "Phantom Menace" but that doesn't mean I'm a Lucas/ "Star Wars" hater. I love em! I hope with all my heart that the next two episodes will be fantastic. But once you fall in love, the ugly head of jealousy rears its head, and you will defend your true love against all who would challenge her crown. That's what is happening here. We'll all have to wait 20 years for the REAL story. Only time will tell how these modern films are remembered. Will the "Lord of the Rings" films be remembered as just "movies of the week" or will they stand above the crowd? Will the new "Star Wars" films sit comfortably on the shelf with the original triolgy or will they always be the red headed stepchild? None of us can really say in the present. In the heat of our current passion. We're all blinded by time.
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you know what, considering people who loved lotr had to listen to people attack lotr, and blast it (usually by sw only fans) and now the tables are turned. lotr made 200 mill in 3 weeks. thats a 3 hour movie pullling in 200 million in 3 weeks. considering that yet another popular movie (harry pothead, er potter) had just hit the 300 million mark seems pretty good to me. that fact the the news is calling it a world wide phenom. sounds like its well on its way to cracking into the top 10. but that doesnt really matter. but im not attacking star wars here. i dont have to. i read phantom menace the book. i liked it. i actually thought it would be good. jar jar was so much better than i thought he would be..... in the book. and then i saw the movie. and it was shit. the special effects, great. the action( or well the jedi fight) great. the gungan fight wasnt very interesting to me, mainly cause i hated the gungans and was hoping for a jar jar death. the queens running battle wasnt very threatening or inspiring. and the space battle. well lets just say in star wars, i like all the pilots, they even for a second or two seemed to have character, where as these guys were just there to die. and since the battle was won on accident by a stupid kid didnt exactly make they any more interesting. infact, why did any of them have to die at all. they shouldve just sent the kid up there. but no. no attack plan. nothing. they didnt even know how to destroy the thing. they went up there to be explosions. how heroic. i honestly hope ep2 is good. i really do. i want to be entertained by a new adventure in the star wars universe. and i hope i will be. but dont try and say that lucas is paying attention to his fans. he wants it to be popular, he wants it to make money. and has far as jango fett being in there cause he knows what the fans like, he doesnt even get why we liked boba fett in the first place. and thats the problem. i hope jango fett is cool. but now it sounds like from that review of the script(spoilers) that boba is a clone. since i believe the exact wording was a son of sorts. so, the clone troopers are based off of jango, and boba is a clone son to carry on the family name. what the fuck. ugh. (end of spoilers) im all for no more arguing. no more name calling. but lets be realistic, lotr is on its way to being popular, and a high grossing, if not a top 10, movie. ep2 will also be up there cause its star wars, and therefore good or bad, it will be successful.
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Star Wars freaks chiding the obessessiveness of Lord Of The Rings freaks is a bit like math geeks telling science geeks to get their own system of numbers. To the rest of the world, we are all the goddamn same! Why can't we band together and go torch Richard Roeper's house!
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Jan 28, 2002 2:35:36 PM CST
LOTR no. 8 for the weekend with $8 million...... g'nite Jack
by togmeister
I really liked your flick, but you've had your fun now, so let the most successful and ENDURINGLY, WIDELY beloved series in movie history get back to work. Thanks.
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I love how no matter what the talk back topic is it eventually leads to an arguement over which film is better. I use to come to aint it cool to read the movie gossip. Now I just come to read the endless arguements about which film series is better. (Thank god I'm on the cool side)
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Jan 28, 2002 2:41:54 PM CST
I feel sorry for Lucas, but not as much as I feel sorry for you
by mr. anderson
Do you think Lucas actually reads these things? Do you think that when you complain and bitch and moan that he will hear you? The only people who CAN hear you are getting mighty pissed. I'm talking about that Floyd dude, what a fucking hypocrite (you spelled masturbation wrong, BTW). But the thing that pisses me off more than anything with you people is how it seems that you took the relative cheesiness of TPM as a personal insult to you an your family. Just relax, take a deep breath, think about what it will be like to kiss a girl, and FUCKING LET LUCAS DO HIS JOB! He's been planning this trilogy for a long, long time, and there's no way in hell that he'll screw it up. As for this SW vs LOTR bullshit, I cannot wait to have the entire Star Wars saga and the entire LOTR trilogy sitting on a separate DVD rack for movies that kick more ass than should be legal.
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It's good to hear that you're okay. Dude, get the suntan oil, your thong bikini, and get your ass to Maui or something, man. Vacation's all you ever wanted...vacation, have to get away! Tkae it easy, pal. You friend, Alan "Nordling" Cerny.
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Harry, Moriarty... who is next to suffer from poor health. Guys, get out more, exercise... LIVE! Fly out to Skywalker Ranch, walk up the drive and laugh into the intercom, beats the hell out of getting in a fanboy circle, and complaining collectively about the shit that will be Ep. 2. Lucas won't listen, what about a mass protest in the streets of all major cities? We gots to get SW back on track for the third, or who will want the DVD?
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Sorry to bring up LotR in a SW talkback, but Christopher Lee's Saruman was one of my favorite parts of the Fellowship. MAGNIFICENT! How amazing it would be to see one of the great genre actors bridge two mighty film franchises and pull off such memorable characters. PHEW. AOTC might just be the tasty, brunch that holds me over 'till December 18 afterall. As for the whole LotR/SW flame wars indigenous to AICN talkbacks, let's be honest, the only people with an ounce of reason are those that don't get involved in the first place. Both sides are equally detestable. I've now decided to just ignore it as much as possible. The folks really worth talking to wouldn't want to soil themselves on that kind of refuse.
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Yes, let's let the most beloved series get back to work...because they fucking need to. Must have been on a smoke break or something with that last effort. Seriously, it is silly and pointless to compare the movies (LOTR and SW), but I think that any geek worth their salt can see that FOTR is on par with Empire, and better than ANH and ROTJ by a slim margin. I don't even include The Phantom Ball Suck since it is unwatchable. But, like I said, comparison is silly, so let Lucas get back to work and do his neckless best to come up with a movie that will bring respectability back to the original series. Just remember, Lucas still thinks his fans are small kids. He has trouble realizing that his fan base are the 7 to 8 year olds from 1977 that grew up with the love for his movies still in their hearts. Don't fuck this up again, Georgie. Like a previous poster said, the count is 0 and 2. 3 strikes and you are gone.
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Jan 28, 2002 3:08:50 PM CST
I posted this in the previous AOTC talkback, but I'm gonna p
by agentcooper
...It was posted toward the end of the story's run on the AICN front page, and probably not too many people saw it. If you have read this before, please skip it, or just flame me for posting it again. This is the last time, I promise. Here goes. Ahem. All right, I
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Star wars should never be mentioned in the same sentance as the lord of the rings, especially not the prequels, that is heresy!
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whatever will be, will be...
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Jan 28, 2002 3:46:32 PM CST
THX -the audience is listening ... FANS - Lucas is listening...
by lost-ark-1
Why else would he have gotten script help? He had no compunctions about writing TPM himslef, so why whould he now get help unless he actually took to heart what people said? If he doesn't listen to fans then why did every one of the Special edition films have added footage of a fan favorite Boba Fett? He knew fans liked this character. Jango is a tribute to fans. Some poster here made it sound like the Jango Fett sotryline is somehow... how did he put it? "ugh." Why? (minor Spoiler about Jango) The fact that he is the great warior of his time and that the clone army is made from him? Isn't that cool? It is to me. I love that idea. Make shim seem all the more powerful. Now I know why he, a normal being can stand toe to toe with a Jedi. This mutherfucker kicks ass. We thought Boba was tough because he had Wookie pelts!!! (end spoiler) I was never one of the Boba Fett fan freaks, but I always loved that character. I hated seeing him act so clumsily during ROTJ. Well here is a vindication. Lucas is listening. The guy is a friggin billionare, do any of you really think he makes these films just for the cash?!?! He could live the rest of his life like a fucking sultan. Why would he suffer in Tunisia if he didn't just want to make films. There isn't a single filmmaker who during his carrer doesn't make the occasional bad movie. And if TPM is the worst of the Star Wars franchise then that's amazing. Think about Star Treck for a second and how that franchise has been driven into the ground by money execs... LUcas heard all the flack about TPM and AOTC appears to have all that the last lacked. Character development, emotion, and action with a purpose. Doesn't listen to fans? For hells sake CHRISTOPHER LEE IS A SITH!!!! I nearly shit my self with glee when I saw him raise a red lightsaber. If that isn't a love letter to OLDER FANS, the only that would know the actor, then I don't know what is. I just love the scene of him clashing sabers with Anakin. That is powerful. The villians in this one aren't just "show" they have dialogue and they fight. You stupid gnarled bashing assholes. Stay locked in your little hovels, jacking off on your keyboards as you make up for the lack of power in your lives by telling me why my favorite series is dead. If TPM was such a death knell then why is the hype machine gearing up again? Why is the madness starting? Oh please. last might I watched the A&E bio on Lucas and it made me remember why I love the guy and why as a film student I aspire to mearly touch what he has achieved. He created ILM and pushed technology to it's filmic limits. He changed the face of Sci-Fi. Jackson, whom I love by the way, breathed life into a film genre and has made the defining fantasy film. Lucas has through his life changed the very face of cinema. How quickly we turn, how easily we forget what he did for film and for a genre. One slip and the hatred comes out. Fuck you all. Let's see if this one is what it should be...
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your right, maybe the death star should wipe out..no, wait, the death star isnt in these prequels, N'Sync is, maybe they can try to destory...no, wait, they are a FUCKING BOY BAND! but maybe that army of clones you were talking about which that bad guy created(which is a rip-off of saruman and the uruk-hai, btw) maybe they could destory middle earth, but I doubt it, you know why? because LOTR started it all, when are you SW fans going to understand that there is no star wars if it werent for Tolkien? You know it's true, 85% of the SW story is taken from LOTR, so instead of bashing middle earth and the fellowship, you should be kissing their asses and thanking them that we gave your precious lucas the inspiration for your god-forsaken trilogy and all of its hillariously awful prequels.
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thanks harry and moriarty and the aicn staff.
yyeeeahhhh....thanks god for this site. thanks for being a geek!!
all these poor people who only know these goddamnn crap-tv magazines who CLAIM to be INSIDE!!!! as a geek you ARE inside...arent you?!?
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Let's see we have 2 space battles, a huge Jedi ground battle, 3 lightsaber duels, a chase through Coruscant, 10 minutes of Jar Jar, and the scene where we finally learn why the title "Attack of the Clones" is the only one that's appropriate. Yippie!
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Jan 28, 2002 3:57:09 PM CST
It has been hinted at on another forum that AICN talk-backers ar
by mrlimey
..whilst that's probably an unfair generalisation, there certainly is an unsavoury element who frequent these boards and seem to thrive an dishing out abuse.It would be interesting to see how some of the wankers on here would behave sat around a table "chatting" about film.I dare say opinions would be far more restrained.
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I know Lucas used the same digital cameras as SESSION 9, which in some shots looked beautiful, but in others looked like an outtake from "America's Funniest Home Videos." When I saw the CLONES trailer projected on a big screen, it looked good, but still had some blur to it. But on TV, these clips have some of that shot-on-video "Chuck and Buck"/"Anniversary Party" look. Maybe it's just me, but that digital look does something to me psychologically, it just doesn't look like film, and I feel like I'm watching an old sitcom re-run. Why would Lucas choose one of the biggest, most anticipated films EVER to start experiencing with shooting digitally? I know there are people who are pro-film and people who are pro-digital, and while digital has its merits for up-and-comers, I don't think it can replace good old fashioned film, and in any case, a new STAR WARS isn't the place to start. Anyone else worried about the shoddy, blurry "look" AOTC could have?
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Jan 28, 2002 4:01:51 PM CST
Oh man, Darth Sh*thead has a point... (click that link on his po
by aargh
Crap - I just read the article on the TPM script that Darth S. linked to. It's embarrassing. Frightfully embarrassing. I quote: "The question many people have is will Jar Jar work as a character, or is he going to be lame comic relief, a gimmick that will be embarrassing in a decade. I am delighted to report that Jar Jar not only works, but that the Gungans are, as a whole, a welcome addition to the mythology of the STAR WARS universe." BWA HA HA HA HA!!! Unfortunately, this means I can no longer trust this very positive report about the AotC script. After all, it is the actors and their performances (including how they are directed) that will ultimately dictate the success of the film. I mean, Alec Guiness had some of the dumbest lines ever ("You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany. We must be cautious.") but he pulled it off because he happened to be a freaking great actor. Here's hoping Ewan et al. are similarly up to the task. The saddest thing about all this is that my 3 1/2 year old son is more excited to see AotC than I am. At least he'll enjoy it no matter what...
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Attack of the Clones is going to totally kick Dundee II's ass!!! By the time Episode III comes out Paul Hogan will have to pull Dundee in Los Angeles off the shelves out of embarrassment. Look out Hogan, Lucas has got your number! Yeah!
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i hope you all realize that every ticket sold is another confermation to hollywood that story doesn't matter. if i wanted to see another titanic (they're going after the same market y'know) i would but i'm not shelling out money to see a teen drama in a star wars setting. fuck that. leave nsync in the movie because this movie is written for their fans anyway. i'm bitter that i spent money seeing TPM but i'm never giving them another cent.
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Jan 28, 2002 4:04:07 PM CST
a little bit overreacting........now i calmed down=> MY BEST WIS
by drjones
ok i calmed down...but i think YOU ARE RIGHT DANNYOCEAN01!!
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i hope moriarty is alright
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Okay, wishing someone to die is going too far. Harry, report this asshole's e-mail address to the proper authorities and ban him. If you trolls got nothing better to do than to say things like that, then you should suffer the consequences. If you have nothing constructive to say, then please do not say anything. A fart is more compelling than your asshole ranting.
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Man oh man, The Two Towers is gonna totally kick the ass of Beverly Hills Cop II. Axel Foley would get his ass kicked by Gandalf. HAhahahaha. No contest. All you Beverly Hills cop III fans are pathetic! I can't wait for The Return of the King, and trust me, the king aint Eddie Murphy! Yeah!
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the script is really not that good, not that good at all, so therefore AOTC will rely on the visual to boost it's box office. once again Lucas learned nothing. TTT will blow this away next year. Big time. LoTR and the Oscar Nominations alone make LOTR a classic. While the SW movies are a classis for the kids. Thank Gosh Jackson made something for adults, lucas can have the kiddies.
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Nothing can touch Turkish Star Wars.
www.viceland.com/issues/v8n1/htdocs/turkeywood.php
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I very rarely put my two cents in unless something really pisses me off, or I like something very much. It appears to me I am one of the few people out there who find both LOTR and the Star Wars 6 part movie to be two seperate entities that I enjoy equally. I liked a lot of stuff from all the movies and I hated other stuff. Now I wish more people would be like agentcooper who outlined what he liked about TPM, reading that I began to think twice about some of the things I hated about TPM. He doesn't bash LOTR, he just said it wasn't his cup of tea. Good. You made your point perfectly. All the films are entertaining and that's what films are supposed to do. There are probably films that I love that everyone hates, fine, you have your opinion I have mine. There are films I hate that everyone loves.(I'm gonna get nailed, but I didn't like Pulp Fiction)(It was a different style of film, and I applaud Quentin, but I don't think it was all that interesting of a storyline. Now KILLBILL sounds really cool, I will see it and make my judgement then. I might not like Pulp Fiction, but I like Quentin. I liked Reservoir Dogs, and I found his writing on True Romance and From Dusk 'til Dawn to be good. THat is my opinion, and no matter what profanities anyone sprays at me, at least I know I have my opinion. And maybe just maybe, I should watch Pulp Fiction again, it came out what 7-8 years ago? Maybe I wasn't in the right mindset for it then as I am now. Who knows. It's my decision and my decision alone. I am going to go see AOTC(I don't like the title, but I digress), and I'm going to see the Two Towers. I will see both with my girlfriend, because she loves both series to. She also loves Star Trek and Jack Ryan, though she is never going to see The Sum of All Fears, what a joke casting Ben Affleck, when Jack Ryan should be ALec Baldwin again. See another opinion.) Finally, for all those people who said Lucas'raped their childhood, tell me how you would have made Episode ONE. ANd not small answers like no JAR JAR. What would you do? Remember you have three movies to fill.
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she said to stop sucking so much dick and to brush between meals. >>Nefarious<<
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They both sucked for the same reasons. Ewoks/Gunga to the Rescue, Jar Jar/Chewbaca doing a Tarzan Yells, Everyone laughing it up, no real characterizations (since all the work had been done by the excellent ESB), cute fart and belch gags, PUKE!
BTW, watch ROTJ again, does not not appear that once separated from the team on Endor, Lea lets her hair down and basically takes up life with Ewoks in the middle of a mission! And then the rest of the team does so as well after their "captured?" Weren't they supposed to be on a mission?!?!
WTFWT?!!? IMO only knows about how to make cute, goofy, kiddy movies that sell action figures. He's been milking Star Wars and Empire ever since. And the acting in the AOTC trailer looks just like Phantom Menace -- still, stilted and laughable -- milady! MILADY?!?
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Romance in a SW flick? Who gives a fuck about romance?!! I want action and FX!! This fucking anakin shithead picks my fucking ass!!! Fuck episode 2!!!
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Her festering wounds spoke highly of you. They even wrote a letter of recommendation to Harvard on her behalf. Unfortunately submissions written in drips aren't accepted. IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY I THRUST TWO FINGERS UP THY NOSTRILS FOR GOOD MEASURE AND BENELUX.
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It will. I know.
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Who needs Attack of the Clones when we have the Leprechaun series? I mean sure Star Wars has Warwick Davis in 2 movies but hell he's in every single Leprechaun movie! All 5 of them.. or is it 6? They just mesh together so well that I look at it as one big movie and can't decipher them anymore. Screw the stupid one ring and the force... the real power lies in the pot of gold! Who stole me pot of gold!? Where's me gold!?
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Is it just me or is this site the only one where this rings vs. sw battle even exists? It's probably because this site is home to the biggest bunch of losers on the planet, and yup I'm one of them. I just hope to God Jay and Silent Bob show up on the front door of every foul mouthed holier than thou person on this site and beats them silly. And whenever I read a negative post about star wars 9 out of 10 of them end with "Why do we need SW when we have LOTR?" or the name of the person posting is "The Ruling Ring" or "MinusTirith". That right there makes your post obsolete to me because it just shows that you're a LOTR fan who is ripping SW for no other reason than it's another fantasy series. You have a completely biased opinion so whether or not it's good is irrelevant. It's going to get thumbs down from you no matter what. Am I wrong?
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So why dont all you SW geeks wisen up and quit talking shit aobut LOTR, this is the third time this TB I am saying this, there is no SW without LOTR, so stop biting the hand that feeds you by bitching about the movie that gave birth to your CG infested piles of shit. LOTR started it all, SW is just a poor imitation.
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Jan 28, 2002 5:44:35 PM CST
Lynch mobs, death squads, babies being born without brains, the
by billy talent
'Star Wars' borrows from a variety of sources including 'The Odyssey', 'The Jetsons', 'Triumph of the Will', 'Hamlet', 'The Wizard of Oz', 'Hidden Fortress', '2001', 'The Battle of Britain', 'Lawrence of Arabia', 'Buck Rogers', and the 'Oedipus' cycle. There might be a little Tolkien in there as well. I don't believe that Lucas has ever claimed 'Star Wars' to be wholly original and without antecedent. It's nice to be a film fan and to see a lot of movies. That way if you dislike one movie, you can always see another. Personally, I was underwhelmed by 'FotR' this Christmas. But that's okay because films like 'Vanilla Sky', 'The Royal Tenenbaums', 'Black Hawk Down' and 'The Man Who Wasn't There' delivered grandly. Like many people, I was let down by 'Episode 1'. But I'm not prepared to dismiss Lucas as a creatively bankrupt hack. The film was full of skill, artistry, and ideas. Unfortunately, some of those ideas were terrible. That made 'The Phantom Menace', like 'The Fellowship of the Ring', an uneven film, not a bad one. I'm cautiously optimistic that both 'Episode II' and 'The Two Towers' will be awesome, that Lucas's saner instincts will prevail, that Jackson will hone his editorial skills. But if either or both films fail, that will be okay because there will be other movies. Mark my words, 2002 will produce films better than 'Attack of the Clones' or 'The Two Towers', though possibly not in the fantasy/sci-fi/adventure genre. (Actually, I think 'Harry Potter 2' is the most likely sure thing in the bunch.)
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Is this a LOTR talkback? Isn't it the LOTR crowd that comes into SW talkbacks and rips on SW? Ones who can't stand to see a SW fan happy and excited about a movie? LOTR fans are a lot more viscious than SW fans and their negativity is a lot more widespread. So I guess when Star Trek X comes out you'll be in those talkbacks telling those fans how stupid they are correct? Or when the next Highlander or Indiana Jones comes out? It's Rings fans who are the most close minded. Anything that's not LOTR sucks in their eyes. Talkback Nazis is what they are.
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This movie will be good whether it sucks or not. Does that make sense? Haters -- in all arenas -- please shut your holes, because I guarantee nobody gives three turds what you think. If so much of your being is devoted to hating something for what comes down to arbitrary reasons, you, I'm afraid, are wasted space.
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We are the vicious ones? I beg to differ. Do I have to pull up every single LOTR TB there was in November and and December and see how many SW geeks there were trying to rain down on our fun? Every time a review came out praising LOTR (which was about every few hours) SW fans started to panic and started to invade our TB's and kill our beloved movie. Mercier is a prime example of that (even though he has found the error in his ways) I sure as hell wasnt the first to condem SW for the crap that it has become. And you call us the vicious ones? When two sentance later you are calling us Nazi's? (very mature comment, btw) I just wanted to make it clear that there would never be any SW if it wasnt for Tolkien and LOTR, I dont have to back it up since everyone and his grandmother knows it. So before you call us vicious, why dont you pull up Harry's review of LOTR or his best of 2001 list and see who the vicious ones really are.
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Ever heard of warning people about potential spoilers you stupid cunt? Thanks to YOU I now know WHAY more about the LOTR trilogy than I wanted to. You shouldnt come to this site...you're no movie lover. you're just a fucking loser. Learn to use these -> ****** when you're spilling the facts of stories people are waiting to see, you dickhead. To everyone else...sorry for the overabundance of the word "fuck" and variants of it but that guy has REALLY pissed me off....
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Jan 28, 2002 6:08:04 PM CST
If any of you actually think that a script review is a good sign
by nagual
...I feel sorry for you. There are 1,000,001 ways a director can fuck up a good screenplay on the way to its 24 frame-per-second reality; conversely, many mediocre scripts have made wonderful movies. Lucas is not even 1/10th of the director Peter Jackson is in terms of actors and sheer visual dynamism (for only two areas); so even if he has a superior script on his side this time, what we get in May may very well be another warmed-over turd. Don't even THINK of taking my post to mean that I wish Lucas or the Star Wars franchise ill; it would please me to no end to have another classic set in the galaxy far, far away--I still love STAR WARS. It's just that my confidence in Lucas has been utterly shaken. Peter Jackson has so exceeded my hopes though that I actually feel safe in declaring the entire LOTR series a classic right now. And if the mass-media-jaded hoi polloi don't agree, fudge'em. You can't repeat or manufacture a phenomenon like the debut of SW in 1977 with anything anymore--not even in 1999 inflation-adjusted dollars when the first new SW film in 16 years came out. The marketplace is simply too crowded for that. I pray for the quality of AOTC, but I won't lose any tears or any sleep over it if it ends up stinking.
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Only a virgin would think AOTC is going to be like a Darren Starr T.V. show. Dude.....get laid man. It will give you a new outlook on life. Do it man.
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Jan 28, 2002 6:11:08 PM CST
I read an early draft of the script which has a part written for
by crazy fresh dj
It has his character saying: 'What, you find me amusing? You think I'm some kind of clone, is that it? I'm funny, like haha funny? I'm a clone to you? A fucking clone?!?' Originally he then shoots some kid in the foot, but Lucas didn't like the message that was implying so he re edited it, added some CGI so now the kid shoots Joe Pesci's foot first
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The first place LOTR is mentioned on this tb is "Well at least we hae LOTR" in the 4th post. Obviously not by a SW fan.
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if what you said is true, then your movie is a ripoff of a ripoff, so how original does that make your movie? BTW, you would really have to start nitpicking to find ripoffs of norse mythology in LOTR while with SW, the stolen ideas are so blatantly obvious that a deaf blind kid would be able to find them
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Jan 28, 2002 6:18:04 PM CST
Hey dorante, look at the post I posted before that last noe, and
by metsrulein2k
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Is that the one you're referring to cause if so there's nothing there making me shut up... I'm still talking, yup, fingers still typing. Look... woohoo... I could type all day!
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What is causing this behavor? Is it the failed dreams of becoming a filmmaker yourself? Is it the lack of pussy? I make the mistake of looking at a Talkback for the first time in months, in the hope that a positive script review might generate good feelings and excitement in this board and I just see more of the same horseshit. You people are without a doubt the biggest bunch of loser asshole dickheads who ever lived, for Christ's sake. LOTR was an above average fantasy movie based on a book. Star Wars is a great sci-fi fantasy film series. They both ripped off the same sources, LOTR just happened to be first. Why the fuck can't you nimrods enjoy both, one, or neither without ripping on the other one? Why do you attach your egos to the success of a fucking movie franchise? Jesus Christ, I feel like an asshole for even taking the time out to breate you wastes of space.
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I see the one you're talking about and yup still typing. Typing Typing Typing... where the hell is Mercier anyways?
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Is because you are a neanderthal idiot who doesnt know when he's been schooled
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You know why I haven't been schooled? Because I haven't resulted to petty personal shots and you have. Name calling is the most childish unintelligent form of debate you can result to. What are you 12?
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You just posted that name calling is for 12 year olds and you called every LOTR fan a talkback nazi a few posts ago!
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Aand mine was an insult a group. Yours was an insult to a single person.
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First of all, you didn't rule without Mike Hampton, who apparently would rather chase home run records in Coors Field than suffer another summer with the horrible NY fans. Second, LOTR's a good film, but by no means original, and this is obvious to anyone who's at all familiar with the classical composer Wagner. This is not to demean LOTR, merely to show the stupidity in saying that SW is less worthy for not being a completely original idea. After all, The Ring Cycle, Beowulf, Arthurian Legend, the Bible, and WWII are all far more accomplished works in their own right than LOTR (WWII possibly excepted, on the account of lots and lots of death).
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especially the terrible posts, the lack of memory, the hipocritical comments you make, the immature STILL TYPING thing, and the fact that you refuse to acknowledge that your precious saga got all it's inspiration from "the talkback nazi's" beloved movie
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Jan 28, 2002 6:49:47 PM CST
"I haven't resulted to petty personal shots" almost immdiate
by rulingring
Gods I love these boards. I honestly believe that I'd be hard pressed to find funnier stand up. Oh and Dorante, since you mentioned my handle in your argument about biased posters, I thought I'd point you to the numerous comments people have left entertaining the idea that a person can enjoy multiple franchises at the same time. For years I was a huge fan of Star Wars. Then came TPM. I don't dislike TPM for any reason other than the fact that its one of those things that simply sucks objectively. Would I be happy if George managed a miracle and turned out a decent film? You bet. Will he? Well I guess its unfair to make wagers about forgone conclusions.
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Fine, I will accept that we did take a FEW things from Norse mythology, (two of your ripoffs were nit picking to an extreme amount, btw) but nowhere near as many things that lucas took from LOTR, and the the TB'er who said that LOTR borrowed from the bible and WW2, well, that was the point! Tolkien said that was his intent from the very beginning.
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For serving as a voice of reason. That said, if you ARE a Paramount exec, or even a big Paramount fan, why is almost every Paramount flick a middle-brow, no risks, minimal style "old man movie" by an aging director, with either a military storyline or a "Fatal Attraction"-type domestic thriller? For the studio that gave us the best films of the 70s and the biggest hits of the 80s, why does Paramount play it so cheap these days? LOL, I know that has NOTHING to do with either LOTR or SW, but any little thing is enough for me to lamabast the once-mighty Paramount. And how can that upcoming HIGH CRIMES with Freeman and Judd NOT be from Paramount? As with DON'T SAY A WORD, I think Fox is raiding Par's script bin.
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What the hell happened? Why can you people not even begin to accept that there can be more than one GREAT trilogy? Just because FOTR was an incredible film does mean that AOTC will suck, and just because AOTC will be a great filmit does not mean that THE TWO TOWERS will suck. I wish that everyone who has wasted bandwidth posting silly death threats and unintelligent rants woulc go back and actually read what you wrote. And to the guy that said Attack of the Clones was the worst sci-fi title ever, only to go on and praise the two MATRIX sequels, from which we have seen next to nothing. I love THE MATRIX (look at my screen name) and am (VERY cautiously) forward to the sequels, but I think that THE MATRIX RELOADED and THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS make AOTC sound Shakespearean (Shakespeare wrote lots of classic plays, which are like movies on a stage, a long time ago). Also, you people are starting to get really uncreative with your clever takes on THE PHANTOM MENACE. THE PHANTOM SHITTER. That's hilarious, and the best part is that SHITTER rhymes with MENACE! Brilliant!
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Stop it... you're making me cry. My prescious got it's inspiration from a lot of things. Stupid posts? Aren't 9 out of 10 posts extremely stupid? Any "this sucks, that sucks", post is very very lame if you ask me. And yes I am 12... give or take 10 years. Now if you'll excuse me I must go get ready for school.. cause that's the only place anyone will ever truly be schooled.
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then you are bound to have a good one sooner or later. BTW, you have done so many LOTR is shit posts this TB, how can you be the one to talk about "this sucks, that sucks" posts being lame?
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Can you pinpoint the exact moment where I said anything about LOTR being shit? Cause I don't believe I've ever said a negative thing about the series in any talkback, this one or any prior. I've said things about fans, but have never nor will I ever cutdown the series cause I know it's brilliant and I'm even a fan, of the books much more than the movies. Yes it was a book first and some seem to forget that.
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I assume that the one posting them is not a fan, I mean, how am I to know that a LOTR fan would make fun of his fellow fans?
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then maybe cut the off-topic BS and talk about AOTC? Well I'm looking forward to it. I like the feel of the story. I'm optimistic it will be better than Ep1, but I'm not getting my hopes up too much. Not looking forward so much to the love aspect. More Ewan McGregor means more coolness. What do YOU think?
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Jan 28, 2002 7:10:17 PM CST
Darth Shithead is right, Moriarty is a joke when reviewing scrip
by imafreakingtroll
Here are some nuggets from that review... On Anakin "God, I love this kid".......On Amadala "I especially like the relationship that Padm
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Ok, this whole LOTR vs SW things needs to stop. Different circumstances and different GENRES dont really make them comparable. About AOTC... so the script is out, who cares. George Lucas gave us Jar Jar, a whiny little kid, a shitty plot and now there's the news of N'Sync and the horrible actor that is Hayden. He had something before Episode 1 but he also realized that he was sitting on a gold mine. HE DOESNT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE FANS!!!!!!!!! MONEY IS ALL HE WANTS!!!!! Of course it will sell out but not like Episode 1. And its only gonna get worse... but there is still hope, but I wouldnt bet any money on it.
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Once again the talk back forums drop into the quagmire that is the Star Wars vs. Lord Of the Rings Debate. A debate that will never end, I am afraid. Oh well. I guess some people can't enjoy more than one thing. However, this is not to say that Lucas is infalible, he is. If you caught that biography last night you would see (not that most of you don't know this) his biggest problem is that he wants to do things his way. But who doesn't.
Don't get me wrong TMP had serious problems. Its not as bad as some people say it is, and its deffinatly not as good as some of its hard core supporters claim it to be. Not to say with some major editing and reshooting and a phew miracles it couldn't work.
Any way in twenty to thirty years people will be calling Peter Jackson, The Wachowskis, and David Fincher sell-outs. Its inevitable. Just becuase people will say that doesn't mean it will be true. You can not stop it. Its Inevitable. I think Lucas has been and could one of the most important influences in the film industry. He hasn't always hit the mark, infact he's missed it quite a phew times. And if I hear one more 'he destoyed my childhood' i think I will be sick. Maybe one day directors will battle each other for supremacy, in a giant arena, with screaming fan boys rooting for their favorite. Well, Maybe not... -
I give up. Mesa goin home!
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I am outta here, no point in arguing anymore, I have proven my point.
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Jan 28, 2002 7:37:02 PM CST
one last post then let's both walk away cause this is going
by darth melkor
It is a bad thing to categorize a group, I'm just referring to those who act like anything that's not their thing is no good. I dislike those, and it can be anyone, a Spiderman fan, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, whatever, any person who attacks someone else for liking something they don't. Who feels that anything other than what they believe in is bad. A person who makes a post along the lines of "I like this and you like that. I don't like that so I'm going to tell you all the reasons why you're a moron." Like I've said I am a Tolkien fan. I've always loved the Hobbit (watched that cartoon 50 times) and read the book a few times. I read LOTR many months before the movie came out and thought it was amazing. Sure I didn't grow up with it the way I did with SW, but I treasure it nonetheless. I was just a late LOTR bloomer. I love it and Star Wars and Indiana Jones and Men in Black and Blade and Spiderman and Planet of the Apes and on and on... If it were up to me negativity wouldn't be allowed on any boards cause it just hurts and angers people. I know people feel the need to debate things and have differing views. I just think it's a bad thing to come to this site and see a story like the one above, the script review, (I'm reminding cause the posts have gotten so far off the topic) and come in here and see that everyone is happy about it and feeling good about their favorite movie series because the early word is positive. And then a group of people feel the need to try and piss on their happiness and turn the board from just a friendly chat by optimistic movie buffs into a raving conflict of insults and negativity that in the end have no resolution therefore end up being pointless. There's no winner in a debate like this cause there's no wrong side. Sure there can be facts like SW borrowed from this and LOTR borrowed from that, but when it's all over and feelings have been hurt no one wins cause they can't. No matter how many times a Rings fans says SW sucks, it won't matter cause it doesn't to those who love it and vice versa. I would just once like to see a LOTR TB or a SW TB where not a single word of the other franchise is mentioned. At least not in a "this is better than this way." I know it's a huge effort, but it is possible. Okay it's dragging so I'll just turn and walk away from this big mess of a talkback having hopefully finally offered a half intelligent post.
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Box office numbers don't mean shit when it comes to quality of film. Fuck, look at The Big Lebowski, it really didn't do horribly well at the BO, but anyone in their right mind has seen it now in some form or another and almost everyone I know loves the movie, quoting it constantly. Just because LOTR fell to 8 this weekend doesn't mean it sucks. It means there are other movies coming out that people would like to see as well, as opposed to a movie that's been out for a month and a half and most everyone has seen already. It's called the "I'll wait for the DVD to come out to see it again in the comfort of my own home" mentality. Now, the He-Man comment earlier. Being the 80s childhood whore I am (christ, just look at my name), I must correct the statement - it's, "By the Power of Grayscull...", not by Castle Grayscull. Or, if you lean more toward the She-Ra mentality, it's, "By the Honor of Grayscull.." for the gal version. Heh heh... Paul Dini rules for writing on He-Man and Transformers... But, my ultimate geekiness aside, I adore Star Wars, cannot wait for the next one, despite the disappointment of the last, and I will still go see LoTR multiple times, breathlessly awaiting the release of The Two Towers. Hell, all this will thankfully be out of the way once the third SW movie comes out... thank god all three LoTR will be on DVD by then... that way we'll have something to watch while waiting in line. Heh heh...
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Que? What? Ummm... which was written before the other? God, that's like the moron that said Gandalf's death was a rip-off of Obi Wan's...
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Has everyone seen the poster for AOTC? What the f***?! "A Jedi shall not know anger nor hatred nor LOVE"? What the hell is wrong with Lucas?! He has lost his mind! How many times have we heard about the force running strong in peoples "families"? How can that be if Jedi aren't allowed to have families? No wonder the god-damned Jedi died out! They can never have children!!! AAARRRRRGGGGH! So lame! Uncle George has lost it people.
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If you are such a LOTR fan, why did you go out of your way to bash all LOTR fans and call us nazis? The debate was going nowhere, but I find it infuriating when someone classifies one group as "nazi's" then you tell me that you are a huge LOTR fan, I am more than a little confused, your right about one thing, though, for now, the debate will end, I am gonna go see LOTR cuz this TB has put me in that kind of mood, and to everyone who has bashed my mets due to my sn, all I got to say to that is......cedeno, alfonzo, alomar, piazza, vaughn, burnitz, payton, ordonez, pitcher, no matter what your favorite team is, no one can beat a lineup like that. That was way off topic, but I cant let my team get killed like the way Vegas was trying to kill em, g2g catch my movie, bye.
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Nazis is a very strong word and I'll rebutt it if possible. I was just referring to those who seem to find joy in breaking down people for their views. Then you have a person like myself who likes both and thinks you should be able to like either one without having to be attacked for it. Sure I insulted fellow fans not for their liking of a certain series but for their refusal to respect others. While they are fans and I am a fan, that doesn't mean they are part of my so called fellowship and I can have my opinions of them good or bad. I'm sure a lot of you dislike me and I'm fine with it. Hey that's life.
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Jan 28, 2002 8:18:35 PM CST
Try this concept on for size: LOTR and SW are BOTH GOOD TRILOGIE
by lenny nero
They're both great movies. FOTR was great, and the books only get better. SW created an incredible mythology, and while there are flaws every now and then (Jake Lloyd was far far worse than Jar Jar) it's still a great series.*********************Get well Moriarty. You're a dude.
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Jan 28, 2002 8:37:49 PM CST
eorge Lucas Chugs Some man chowder and cheats on The Creative im
by paul allen voiq
Just foolin George, If your kids are reading this sorry we have no life.
Lucas may be beter than Jackson but not Cameron. Nobody beats Crazy Jim.
I wish he would pack up his rubber duckies and make a fucking film. By the time these Guys Come out of mothballs, draw the blinds
They forget how to direct,Noone remembers who they are, make a shity film and drop dead before opening weekend.
But Im speaking of course about that guy, who made those films, from back then.
Attack of the clones better have bodies( EVEN 5 MINUTES OF DEAD EWOK) Something to let me know there is danger.
Im sorry but watch T2 against most graphics films today like TPM, and T2 Will still look more realistic.
I have not seen a more seamless transformation from
robotic puppet to ILM Graphics, yet to top it.(Starship Troopers comes close)
-This is because it was shot for super 35 mm film. Thats why the old Star Wars films look so good. They were shot on VistaVision 70 mmfilm stock.
Hi-res Baby. I think all sci-fis should be on at least super-35MM. But hey thats just me thinking video sort of looks like film if you like that made for tv movie look. BTW That naked picture of harry has been on for quite a while, sort of seems like a cry for help. Or Maybe Harry is just a Buddist.
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Who would win in a fight:
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Interesting that one of the threads here concerned sports teams, cos that is what it's like in a way. I agree that slagging off someone's favourite film series is lame (particularly when you throw in the content about how people that like that movie's mothers all perform carnal acts with animals). You know, I followed the build-up to FOTR on these boards (no-one is funnier than geeky fanboys in a lather) and that was pure *fun* - seeing it all come together, the reviews coming in, the awards, everything... it was great, like Christmas coming early, despite the presence of a tiny minority that felt horribly threatened by the whole thing and just prognosticated doom all day. And if AOTC is going to go the same way, that is fucking great too. It's a lovely warm glowy feeling, and fair fucks to you all - I envy you getting to do it all. I hope AOTC is the best movie ever made, and spawns a million hilarious talkbacks. However, I did actually revisit the link for Moriarty's script review and read the talkback there... and it was nothing but yelling and arguing, as per usual - so rather than this being an SW vs. LOTR thing, I think it's just a geek thing. Enough geeks together will fight like a sackful of cats. Yeah, it's immature, yeah, it's not cool, yeah probably everybody could do with getting more sex (though that's a global problem rather than an AICN one). I will not slag off SW, cos I'm a fan, but reserve the right to make scathing commentary should any more dumb-sounding decisions come out (NSYNC, anyone?) Other than that, I hope it rules and all your dreams come true. I mean, it's got Christopher Lee in it, how bad can it be? You know, with any luck, this could be a seriously cool year for fanboy/girl movies.
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That is the funniest fucking name I have ever seen. Holy shit. Time to go listen to Red Medicine. BTW, the Yankees are much better than the Mets. And this ATOC movie will be nice, but TTT will slay it with much fervor.
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Jan 28, 2002 8:58:53 PM CST
Lesseee...Mori reads AOTC script....suddenly has chest pains....
by pretty much yeah
Dude, don't open any mail, at least till Memorial Day.
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The question is, how could the Jedi maintain a steady number if they bred? They rely on finding new Force sensitives around the galaxy to keep them at an even 10,000. If they bred, they'd populate an entire planet by now. I know this is just AICN but people need to use their heads a little.
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your brilliantly insightful post has coincided with the TB getting a free pass to scrambleville. I hold you personably responsible for ending the short period of natural order that existed. By now it is too late, the infection has spread to other TB's. We're all doomed...again.
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The trailers didn't impress/unimpress me at all. Remember how phattyboombatty the trailers for Ep. 1 looked? But this little script review *did* make me sit up and take notice. It reads well and I can see how someone who was really running on all cylanders could make it into something at least as good as A NEW HOPE. Here's hoping Lucas has got his s#!t together at last and is ready to deliver the film so many of us were expecting back on that long ago May day in 1999. I loved THE LORD OF THE RINGS and I love STAR WARS (at least, A NEW HOPE and EMPIRE SRIKES BACK) and I think Lucas can give us something that will blow up on the screen like Busta Rhymes & Flipmode. Do it, George!
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Jan 28, 2002 10:23:30 PM CST
You know, my day was kind of boring until I read this talkback
by roguescribner
This has been the funniest (and at the same time most depressing) talkback I have read in the longest time. Especially the posts comparing SW to other movie trilogies.*************************Here's one for ya: STAR WARS is such a rip off of THE KARATE KID trilogy!!! Mr. Miyagi = Obi Wan, Daniel-san = Luke, Okinawa = Dagobah, Mean Kids at School = Stormtroopers, Karate Match with hurt leg = Light Sabre duel with missing arm. IT'S ALL THERE BABY!!!*************************Anyhoo, now that that's over with, my two cents on this whole STAR WARS vs. LOTR thing. I was born in the mid-seventies and I grew up watching and loving the STAR WARS movies. Other than reading "The Hobbit" when I was 10, I didn't really have any exposure to Tolkien growing up. I greatly anticipated TPM when it came out three years ago. Was it the greatest film ever? Not by a long shot. Was it a steaming pile of dog poo? Not that, either. It was a little disappointing, though. It looked great and definitely had its moments, but as another talkbacker stated earlier, it was uneven. When it was good, it was really good (end fight). When it was bad, it was a little cringe-worthy (Jar Jar). Taken all together and it pretty much evens the movie out. Not real good, not real bad, just . . . eh. Lucas made choices I wouldn't have made, but it's not my movie, it's his. It seems to me that Lucas is trying to get back on track with hiring another screenwriter, but I'm not going to get super-excited until I see the finished project. As for LOTR, I went with some friends to see FOTR and unlike most of the known world it seems, I didn't think it was a great movie. Good? Yes. But not great. It lingered on things it should have glossed over and it glossed over things it should have lingered on. Exposition was a bitch in that movie, I didn't always know why certain characters were doing what they were doing or what the point of some stuff was. The action was good in parts, unintelligible in others. And after the first act the pacing of the film was very uneven. But I don't hate the movie. I'll probably see TTT. I just hope Jackson hires another editor to help shape the future installments better.********************In the end, these are just movies. If you like them, great. You didn't waste your time or money. If you don't them, don't go to see them. And don't fault anyone else for liking something you don't. Who cares about origins of a story? Everything nowadays is rooted in something, be it a an earlier book, movie or event. Is it entertaining? That's all that matters. All you fanboys are free to argue over this stuff, just remember to breathe and relax and don't be hateful of other people. Now that's just rude. L8r
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I'm getting in here kind of late but all this bashing on Lucas seems rather silly. His contributions to film have brought joy to so many people over the last 25 years. Clearly, the Star Wars movies are not great literary works. Their success has come entirely from the escape they provide and the experience of seeing things you have never seen in a movie before. For over 2 decades now, Lucas has pushed the visual frontier of filmmaking with ILM. Before 1977 no movie had ever been released like Star Wars. It was a totally new experience for everyone and this is most likely the reason for it's initial success. That is what drew me in. I was 10 at the time and what an impact it had on me. Over the past 20 years I have watched ILM push visual effects technology further and further. I don't know the average age of talkbackers but I would guess I'm one of the wise ones (old farts) in here. I'm still amazed at what Lucas accomplished back in the 70's on episode 4 and the impact it has had on so many people. His movies, especially episode 4, pushed the studios in a new direction and ILM has helped make so many sci-fi and fantasy movies possible. So much has changed over the years. All of this would have happened in time without him but because he created ILM, with his own money mind you, it has happened much sooner. Anyways, I hope many other visual effects companies are created and push technology further and I hope other filmmakers find new exciting stories to tell. Lucas is not the enemy unless perhaps you hate visual effects and don't go to the movies. If that's the case I don't know what your doing at this site. Spread the love. Peace, out.
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If you wanna see something really funny, check out Moriarity's review of 'The Patriot', the stupidest, most insulting piece of history on film since 'Birth of a Nation'. Just 'cause Moriarity says a film is great don't necessarily make it so. Anyone watch the A&E biography? Christ George, even Bill Gates can get a fucking trophy bride! Isn't that kind of the reason nerds become multi-billionaires?
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Comparing LOTR to SW is assinine considering that only FOTR and TPM have been released. Lets all wait until ALL the movies have been released and then we can jump at each others throats. For the record though, when you look at the 5 movies released ANH, ESB, ROTJ, TPM and FOTR I would rank them accordingly:
1) ESB...Still the best of the best. I am a huge Tolkien fan but I still say this is better.
2) FOTR...Is the perfect set up to an amazing story.(AND yes to all of you Star Wars geeks Lucas was GREATLY influenced by the Tolkien books. As a matter of fat, he made Willow to compensate for his inablilty to get the rights to film LOTR.So just swallow your pride, and admit it that Luca$' story isn't the "island unto itself" you all claim it to be.)
3) ANH...Its good but I don't buy into that bullshit that Lucas said he always had all six films planned out.This movie is the granddaddy of the summer movie. To some of you that might be bad though.
4) ROTJ...It will forever be marred by the fact Lucas was too cheap to use Wookies instead of Ewoks.Otherwise,its a great movie with the most emotional lightsaber battle.
5) TPM...Is the bastard step-child of the franchise, even though it had the best lightsaer battle.Jar-Jar,shitty looking aliens,and poor dialogue like, "There's always a bigger fish" make this one a distant 5th.
All that being said,as far as my enjoyment of the remaining films goes I'd say that I will enjoy the Tolkien ones more.To me, it really seems like Lucas has lost a step. Special effects wise he's still number one but the characters that he generated for these new movies don't hold my attention. None of them are nearly as good as the Han, Leia, Chewie, Lando, Luke group that I grew up with. Just because they call the new ones Star Wars doesn't mean shite to me. How many of you would be jumping all over an Indiana Jones sequel with the son of Indiana in the lead role? None of you would. You would all complain about it and say that its just a hype tactic to generate more revenue. I feel that these new "Star Wars" are just that.
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First, if we're adjusting for inflation, "Gone With the Wind" ends up with something like $1.8 billion (domestic), so there's no point debating Star Wars vs. LOTR, because they are both WAY, WAY behind "Gone With the Wind".
Second, to the person who said that FOTR is 1/3 of a movie, and so we should count the box office grosses of FOTR, TTT, and ROTK as one, and therefore it will likely beat Titanic -- uh, no.
Then why don't we do the same for the Star Wars movies, the Godfather trilogy, the Rocky movies, Indiana Jones series, etc?
I know Tolkien wrote LOTR as one book, but Peter Jackson made it into THREE movies, so don't try to claim that if TTT and ROTK make $300 million each, that it should count as $900 million for LOTR, making it #1 of all-time. That just won't fly. -
The question is, how could the Jedi maintain a steady number if they bred? They rely on finding new Force sensitives around the galaxy to keep them at an even 10,000. If they bred, they'd populate an entire planet by now. I know this is just AICN but people need to use their heads a little.
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Lets look at his post shall we?
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"The spare and arid high-tech visual style of the original trilogy [and especially of ANH] turn out, in the end, to have not been of Lucas' choosing, but rather a function of the necessity to use models to accomplish things that CGI is employed to accomplish now."
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Before you go and lament on the bygone era of modelwork fx and bash TPM'S so called CGI work you should realize that you are making the same mistake that so many of your uninformed ilk do.
TPM had some of the most extensive use of model work than all other three films combined. If you took the time to inform yourself instead of simply patting yourself on the back for bashing TPM this fact might not have escaped you. The ships, the sets, etc... so mush of it was all model work. BUt that doesn't interest you I bet, because let's face it, you weren't looking for a cogent argument, but simply a place to parrot all the bad CGI rhetoric you've heard.
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"The Death Star battle at the end of ANH was ELEGANT, in addition to being a hell of an exciting spectacle. Look at the simplicity of the design elements. Hell, even the COSTUMING in ANH was stylized. By the time TPM rolled around, though, Kucas had simultaneously caught the postmodernist and CGI bugs."
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Yes, it sure makes a lot of sense to have every planet in the galaxy have the same worn, rustic, lived in spartan look. That wouldn't be repetitive at all. And please, before you tell us all how the incredible visuals of TPM were bad, just sit back down before you embarass yourself. That is a luaghable statement. Even if you thought it was too mush, or hated it, you know the fx were good. Naboo was a real city.
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"There's just too much shit on the screen most of the time during TPM [or, at least, during the percentage of it I forced myself to sit through before I gave up] and all of it seems somehow...muddled. Naboo looks a little bit too much like the CityWalk at Disneyworld."
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Allow me to nit pik your post as you seem to like to nit pick TPM. CityWalk is located at Universal Studios and not Disney World. Disney World has Downtown Disney. And if you really think that it has any resemblance to Naboo then you are existing on a completely different plane of reality than I. YOu need to visit a nice SPARTAN padded room. They can give you a simple white flowing shirt to wear, you know the ones that have the arms that strap in the back :) I alreay know you like that style...
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"The trailers for AOTC make it look like the bad design elements from TPM have been carried forward, but additionally the entire movie seems to have been shot through a thin screen of pale mauve polyester. If a great percentage of the movie takes place on this Foundation-like cityplanet, odds are that George will get so busy with hundreds of moving objects in the mauve CGI in the background [you know, "showing off" that old ILM technical skill] that the eye will hunger for the simplicity of a shot of C3PO walking along a bare dune crest on Tatooine"
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Maybe your retnas are burning out or something because no Mauve look exists in any star wars film. Lucas especially makes it a point to film his shots without funky lighting or atmosphere to make it seem more real amongst all the fx. The colors are always crisp and clear. You sound like that other guy on this board who claimed to be able to notice the digital look of AOTC. Yeah right. He must be one of those people who get better off placebos. In the end your post is just shy of insane. Maybe you should create a real argument, because while this was moderately fun, it was... Well, why say it myself when Lord Vader put it best. "All too easy." -Vader ESB -
Hey, IT_MUST _END, what do you think of this old SW vs. LOTR thing?
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Jan 29, 2002 12:23:21 AM CST
Lucas is a ghost. AOTC will hurt most people waiting for it.
by marcello murphy
If George Lucas was on a date, does anyone else think it'd be like a scene from 'Big'?------This must have been said before here, but the last two SW movies are retreads - 'Hey, great scene at the end of the first one, let's do it again in the third, and hey, we can stick a donut around the Death Star, do it AGAIN at the end of PM AND NO ONE WILL NOTICE! Maybe a co-writer might help, but I'll bet my balls he's no Leigh Brackett.
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can't you A) figure out how to fix TB order and B) figure out how to ban an IP? c'mon, please? we are all so sick of these 2 yr olds who post endless tantrums over and over again just to fuck up the threads. or do you just get a kick out of us complaining? (in which case, i am glad i made your day a little brighter ^_^ )
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Jan 29, 2002 1:21:04 AM CST
Kentrel or Floyd... sorry Kent, gotta take flloyds on this one
by d-maul
I have no bones with LOTR, fact I loved to the movie. But I don't like to say that it's trash compared to SW even though I love the latter. Flloyd was saying that this is SW talkback so LOTR fans shouldn't diss it. Hell I say be fans of both. They are both great films.
I don't agree that SW is dead though... Hey I liked TPM, not loved it but thought it was 2 hours that I reembered what it was like to enjoy a flick. Your comparisons are quite clever as are Flloyds.. Sure Gandalf and Obi Wan seem similar through there positions, but the fact is that the idea of an old man guiding his apprentice is as old as time. There's alot of old stories about teachers and their apprentices and that's what the relationship between Obi Wan and Luke is. I don't think that that was the same for Gandalf/ Frodo. As for Jedi's/ Elf comparisons ... well you could always compare any strike force or special unit groups to them. Archangels were a speciallised group, so were the Shaolin Staff experts. Things like former good guys turn bad.. Hell let's look at one of the ultimate Bads... LUCIFER!... He was good turn bad as well... also, with ANY POWER you can use it gor good or bad... Glowing swords... That's just a silly argument now isn't it.. Dude, it's a LIGHTSABRE.. It's made of light.. of course it'd be glowing.
Missing appendages??.. well there are many legends around the world dating back centuries about one armed heroes (note: see china), Were they there before Tolkiens time.. Hell yeah. Stuff like that has been forever and you can virtually make comparisons from anything that even has remote significance.
FOR EXAMPLE: SMURFS Vs SW Vs LOTR
they all have short little bastards in it.
They have one central bigg daddy that runs things (Papa smurf, Obi Wan, Gandalf)
Gargamel (Spelling?), Sauron, Emperor.
The Force, The Ring, Smurf Berries
Vader, Sarumon, Azrael
Arwen, Leia, Smurfette
Want me to go on?...
Man you can compare anything with anything so any arguments about comparisons are obsolete unless the film maker states that it was an influence, which in this case he hasn't.
BTW. I also have yet to hear Lucas say that LOTR was an influence... EVER. He quotes Kirasawa and old WWII dogfights and Westerns.. Flash Gordon etc.
To correct something that you said, if you consider the three LOTR books to be one story and box office wise that they'll bury SW and Titanic... Well SW is 6 movies and thus far unless Twin Towers and ROTK makes 900 million domestically each.. I doubt that will happen anytime soon (
Flloyd did say something wrong by dissing LOTR fans.. Hey more power to you fans, FOTR was a cool movie and I'm happy I went to see it. But never say SW is dead cause it aint. You still have legions of fans who still love it and continue to.
Folks enjoy both.. be happy that 2002 is going to be one damn fun year to enjoy flicks.. LOTR Vs SW.. who cares.. SW & LOTR.. now that's more fun.. -
but i dont think that it will be on par with the original trilogy(at least not on par with the first two movies). it will perhaps be better than ROTJ which i consider to be the weakest part of the trilogy. i cant believe that some people like ROTJ best. i watch ESB nearly every day and i never get bored because it contains soooo many well made elements (a good script, incredible music, charakters we actually care for, humour, unforgettable action scenes, plot twists, etc), but i have difficulties to sit through ROTJ, i think it is a routine sci fi flick without surprises, but at least it features unforgettable charakters. i hope AOTC would feature such characters too, but i doubt that will happen, although i hope so, because i think that the script is very solid. a lot of things happen in this movie. SPOILERS in terms of locations, we get 5 planets this time. there is a lot of travelling from planet to planet in this movie. we get some cool new characters like count dooku(i dont think that the name sounds silly)and jango fett, who are the main villains in this movie, besides palpatine of course. other characters get more screen time, like mace windu and yoda. others get less(10 minutes of jar jar should be ok, although he has some silly lines). i think that where this movie will deliver are the action scenes. i looked at the storyboards of two of the main action sequences of the film, the obi wan-jango fett fight on kamino and the mace windu-jango fett fight during the final act, and they look really amazing, fast paced and well choreographed, but i have to confess that the thought of 200 jedi fighting in an arena isnt very exciting for me, i prefer the duels. we will see why yoda is the real master, although i am not sure how his fighting abilities will look like on the big screen, if done right, it will look amazing. his skills, as described in the script, are incredible, he beats the shit out of dooku. the script contains some rather dark elements (like anakins hand being chopped off, the fate of his mother), i really dig that. the clonetroopers will be an amazing sight, i think that the effects in this movie will be the best ever, they have pushed ilm to its limits. i really hope that we get characters we actually can care for, for me that aspect makes the difference betwenn an ok or just good movie and a great movie. but the fact that we get a lot of the same charakters that were featured in TPM, my hopes arent too high. but maybe we will witness a wonder and the movie will be like the old ones.
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explain the whole Padme/Amidala thing for me? Is she the same person with two names? Is she a different person from Amidala? Is Amidala going to have another beer and cheat on Padme who has a bomb in her ribcage(wjere'd that come from?)? Someone....Please answer this for me before i lose my fucking mind. I AM SushiX(but not for long cause this thing is gonna drive me into suicide if I don't figure it out...HELP!!!!!)!
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Could you make sure my offices are vacumed a little better? Also, I specifically said it had to be Gulden's Mustard and not in one of those squeeze bottles. Now, be a good lad and restock the humidor. And keep your mitts off my onion bagels (I kill when people take my onion bagels).
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Teapot and D-maul are so right.this site is becoming the rudest most bitter and hate filled I've ever seen.if AICN reported that it was a nice day out,we'd be subjected to how much nicer last Monday was and that this Monday sucked.and as a fan of last Monday I must trash this Monday to show what a fan I am of last Monday because it must be imposable to like more than one Monday.and then some one would muli-post how he is so smart and we're all such a$$holes because Thursdays are so clever and we waist our time with stupid Mondays.and of course some one would automatically trash the whole week and tell us how next week would make us all losers because it's the best week ever and we should start worshiping it now!if you don't have an honest opinion about something(FIRST!,LOTR,PLUG MY SITE HERE.)save you're typing fingers 'till something you actually have a thought about comes up.stop posting just to see your post and to try in some feeble attempt to get a reaction out of strangers.it's sad.and it depresses me to fallow a thread that spews so much hate about such wonderful stuff as this site covers.sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad,and it's good to care about this stuff or we wouldn't come to this site.but the hate and the blind trashing something because it's not the your obsession of choice is infantile and weak.let's try to remember we're all fans, all geeks,all people.sorry it went so long,but it's been building in me since the N'SYNC postings.
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TTT... AOTC... Good, but they pale in comparison to the true gems of cinema. They are nothing to the REAL beacons of teir respective genres. The two true sequels that will leave these two weak upcoming films in the dust.
I talk of course of the most anticipated sci-fi sequel in history : BATTLEFIELD EARTH 2 (BE2) ATTACK OF THE SCIENTOLOGISTS.
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And the sequel to the greatest gift to fantasy that ever was, the cinematic masterstroke, the upcoming : DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS 2 (DD2) FELLOWSHIP OF THE RPG
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After all, what is a decades old Flash Gordon rip off and a ring wearing Munchkin when compared to these two film titans.
If there is one thing that the attack on the twin towers showed us all it's that we all come together when faced with a common foe... ... ... Let us never forget that somewhere on this green earth there are people who have, sitting on their shelves amongst their DVD collection both Battlefield Earth and Dungeons and Dragons. I mean I saw them at the store, somebody bought them. And I think that btoh SW and LOTR fans can come together, ina fellowship of geeks, and put these fu@kers out of their misery... -
Well to all you SW turd lovers here is the deal, SW bashing has just started 'cause i remember the days when troll turds like yourselves couldn't help but suffer from verbal diarrhoea in the LOTR TB's. Don't get me wrong I love SW (original 3) and will watch ATOC but it's 1 grey celled LOTR bashing SW fans that down right piss** me off.
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I do. If you want a messege board where SW fans suck each others dicks all night long, go to the force.net. I like a board where at least a good half of the posters aren't eager to bend over, lube up and take it in the ass from George. If you want to have an internet circle jerk about how much you loooved Jar Jar, and how N Sync was a great addition to AOTC, this just ain't your forum. And yup, you may get flamed. Are there juvenile shits on here? Oh yeah. Now, this whole LOTR vs. a movie that hasn't been released thing? What does ones love of one movie, logicly, have to do with why you think AOTC will suck? I think it'll suck, but it has zero to do with LOTR. I saw it. Once. My opinion on AOTC isn't based on that viewing. It's based on how embarassingly bad TPM was. How awful the acting in AOTC looked (again). How bad some of the FX looked (again). The fact that Lucas gets great actors and then has no clue what to do with them. Midichlorians. Huge plot holes. The way it seems Lucas didn't go back and read the scripts for 4-6. (He only wrote 4, but shit, just read the damn scripts). All these things make it seem that AOTC will be as hard to sit through as TPM.
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Sounds fucking serious to me!!!!!!!
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Jan 29, 2002 4:55:36 AM CST
You guys do realize that you're the joke of the internet rig
by sea bass
I heard there was a script review at this site and despite all the crap I heard about AICN, I actually came here to see it. Then I saw the Talkback. Jesus tap dancing Christ. Everything everyone said about this place is true. You people are the biggest fucking loads I've ever seen. The Simpsons Comic Book Guy and Jay and Silent Bob don't even do you people justice. You are the bottom of the fucking barrel. The lamest bunch of fucking retards ever to walk the earth. Those who can't do teach. Those who can't teach, criticize. Those who can't criticize critisize on the net. Those who can't criticize on the net criticize on an internet critic's Talkback. Yes I lowered myself to register to tell you all this but if I caused one fucking loser to commit suidide, it was worth it.
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Boy I hope AOTC does not suck. Yes TPM was not that great but there still alot about it that I enjoyed(jedi battle at the end) however when I look back and watch the original SW trilogy it
shows me how great these prequels can be and what a legend George Lucas is in creating probably the greatest mythical universe ever(LOTR excluded) to appear on our movie screens. I think people should be thanking George Lucas for what he has done in the past and for what he is doing now in giving as all another chance to experience the SW universe one more time. One final thing on the whole SW vs LOTR thing who cares. Really there is room in this world for both to exist and like George Lucas Peter Jackson and Newline should be applauded in taking one of the biggest risks in the movie making business and doing something that no one has ever had the balls to do and that is bringing Tolkiens amazing fantasy world to life esspecially when looking at the critical and Box office success that the FOTR has had putting a huge smile on every one involved with the FOTR faces. Thankyou Newline, thankyou George Lucas and thankyou Peter Jackson. -
Great post! I've been trying to figure out a way to get the same sentiments out, of course I got stuck with my long ass post that I wrote, I do seem to have diarrhea of the typewriter don't I? For those who skipped my long post, I posed this question. For all you prequel trilogy haters, tell me how you would have made the prequel trilogy, be more specific then get rid of jar-jar.
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Let's just really think about the fact that the main villian is a guy named Count...Dooku. That's right...Dooku. That name is about as bad as Sy Snootles. I detect the faint smell of Ewok on this one.
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You people talk smack about Star Wars, but you and I know you'd all take Boba Fett's rocket pack right in the corn chute if asked. Come May 22nd, I'll load up on some of Momma's spicy three-bean chili, then head down to the Bijou where the line will be around the block. Ol' Hank'll sidle up to any random Poindexter in a Darth Vader mask and ask, "Hey, didn't you say 'George Lucas raped my childhood' and 'I'll never give that flannel-shirted sellout another dime' on AICN?" and as he tries to fumble out an explanation, I'll just give him a mouthful of cow flops, made fresh daily by ol' Bessie!!
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Jan 29, 2002 9:13:44 AM CST
Why the fuck you guys have any faith left in Lucas is beyond me
by deegan
I do hope it's good though, I'm just not expecting it to be.
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Now we are resigned to deal with folks who can't figure how to take of the caplocks and a resurgence of the SW vs (insert movie) pissing matches. It always amazes me how folks will pan a movie based on no more than 5 minutes of finished footage in the trailers. I don't recall seeing Doc Browns Delorian parked out front.
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Amen.
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.....because LOTR was that good, so good that it would be totally meaningless to make any more movies ever. LOTR was so perfect of a movie that no one has the will anymore to see anything less perfect. It would be foolish to do so. Seriously, people who say that seeing AOTC would be pointless after LOTR has something wrong with them. Plus, the number of psychics who post here just blows me away. Why are you wasting your time telling me that AOTC will suck, when you could be out solving crimes? Use your gift for something meaningful, rather then telling me if a certain movie will suck or not? You owe the people of Earth that.
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I can't believe all you fanboys are wasting your lives away arguing which of the two is better. They're both overrated. LOTR isn't even finished and you're arguing on the merit of one movie?! Come on. How many of you were suckered in by Lucas to buy 10 different versions of episodes 4-6? Or the CCG? or the 100's of different action figures? You've already lost, they've taken your money and it's in a vault at the Skywalker ranch.
Get off the computer, get back to work and stop tieing up the phone line. -
According to www.boxofficemojo.com The Phantom Menace made $925.6 million worldwide, and LOTR presently stands at $591.7 million worldwide. It is still possible for LOTR to catch TPM, but it's looking less and less likely. Granted, LOTR made an impressive 8 million this past weekend, impressive for this being its sixth or seventh week in release (I forget which). However, with the DVD mentality of most consumers nowadays, LOTR is expected to drop off, and is starting to do so. None of this has anything to do with the quality of either movie, of course, just presenting some numbers for you to take for what you will. Also, it makes me smile to see that Harry Potter stands at number four on the alltime worldwide list, with $876.4 million. And if you want to talk adjusted grosses, LOTR will never catch Star Wars, which made $1,014,161,461 adjusted in the United States alone. And that's still number two alltime adjusted behind Gone With The Wind, which currently has an adjusted gross of $1,133,932,534. I'd venture to say these numbers absolutely dwarf (pun intended) LOTR's current domestic gross of $258 million, although that is still an incredible sum.
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Agentcooper: I too can see the merits of TPM. I have come to like the movie more and more with each viewing. I have an old copy of Star Wars with the subtitle
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Harry, I called that number you gave and got a phone sex line. She said her name was Juanita Knowles, and that she needed a good spanking. What's the deal?
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Near as I can tell SW fans may be in luck. The author of the script review was very straight forward about the disappointment that was TPM, however that certainly had not clouded his vision in approaching the second prequel UNLIKE SOME OF THE JADED TBers ON HERE...*cough* but I digress. I would be very interested to see if any real elements of "mystery" (ie the business with the dart) can be added convincingly to a story we for the most part consider anti-climatic and almost post-mortem in the exercise of viewing. This aside it sounds as though the much needed help Lucas received on this script is just what the doctor ordered in creating something worthwhile, whose characters and more importantly whose plot, engage us. So I'll see you all in line...you too, oh ye embittered naysayers.
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is a mote. Do not listen to this scaly child, Harry, for you do a fine job with the message boards. After all, wherever else can an arsehole like me be heard? Ender & Bean, your days are numbered. Harry knows where you live, and he will end your existence with the force of a mere butt cheek.
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Ender&Bean: Please learn the difference between "it's" and "its" -- You said: One that has "topical threads" within it's main topic...so I can skip all this crap -- WRONG WRONG WRONG! "It's" means "it is" and nothing more. The possessive is always "its," you anal probe.
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MrChuff,
I'm truly sorry I gave away those spoilers. How insensitive of me to mention TWO things that are as well kept secrets as Clinton's sex life. For crying out loud everybody knows Gandalf dies at the end of the film, but if you check out www.imdb.com you'll see he's credited in the next two! Wow, so he's not really dead then. And its not lame flashbacks like Obi Wan in Star Wars. He doesn't die. And Frodo loses a finger in a fight. That's hardly a spoiler. It would be a spoiler if I said Frodo loses a finger up Sam's ass on their honeymoon night after their gay wedding. He does really! Gandalf and Gimli get it on, Aragorn has a beer and sleeps with the Hobbits, and Arwen cries and sings a sad song. Ok? Joking aside, sorry I spoilt it for you, but those are really commonly known things, and in actual fact they don't spoil your enjoyment of the film at all because there are MANY more surprises. Hell, I read the book and knew the whole lot and I still enjoyed the movie. It's a one of a kind masterpiece. -
ep2 script sounds cool, hope the actual movie will be cool. At least the enemy sounds more threatening than the stupid Mcdonalds federation or whatever form TPM. All this LOTR vs star wars shit is really depressing. It was okay when it was just a bunch of fans getting in a little competition, but it's become so intense lately I reckon a lot of hardcore star wars fans will hate LOTR no matter what and a lot of hardcore LOTR fans will hate star wars no matter what. Guess it's inevitable, considering they're both so huge in terms of fan base and both have mythological nature to them. Even though LOTR did come before star wars I still don't see it as Obi wan ripping off Gandalf etc. I see it as Gandalf and Obi wan both being the mythological 'mentor' character any great fantasy story has, and the same with all the other concepts they have in common. And anyone who associates LOTR fans with D&D is a moron. It's like associating Star wars fans with Star trek fans (no offense to Trekkies, as I meant in terms of scope)
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lotr: ca. 620 mio so far, still doing good business overseas
TPM: 925 mio
lotr has yet to be released in japan, a very important market.
look at harry potter for example, it is still numer one in that country in its 8th week and has made 130 or 140 millio dollars so far. i think lotr wont do much less. i think it is a sure bet to pass the 900 mio mark. but maybe i am wrong. i am curious which movie will be more succesful at the end, harry potter or lotr. i have contributed a few dollars to lotr by seeing it twice. -
LOL...lol, lol, lol...sigh. Oh bitches. Bitches, bitches, bitches...
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Finally! A prequel that is deserving of praise all around. I knew that after Phantom Menace they will get better and better. Just like I know the Lord of the Rings Trilogy will get better and beter with each sequel. I just can't tell you all how much I love both of these movie projects. I can't wait for the last Star Wars movie in the series. I have been a fan of Star Wars ever since from the beginning. And Darth Vader was and is still my favorite character. I like Darth Maul as well. Too bad they killed him off at the end of Phantom Menace. I'm just glad that from what I've read they make Jar Jar more palatable than in Phantom Menace as well. Plus the fact that Lucas did not give in to teenage market tempation and put NYSYNC in the movie for even a few milliseconds. 2002 will be such a great year in movies for me. I have a feeling I'm going to be shelling out alot of hard earned pay to watch these movies multiple times.
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p.parker!! i just want to tell ya that you were damn right with your posts at the beginning of this talkback...don`t listen to those guys named sith warrior and co!!!
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Jan 29, 2002 3:28:12 PM CST
Ender&Bean: You make wonderful points in a dastardly way . . .
by sanjuro
I don't even read the talkbacks nitwits like you write, unless the writer grabs me in the first sentence. In other words, I read this site for news and good writing about cinema, not for the opinion of minimum to no wage stallions like yourself. Now here
's something sure to blow your balls off, baby: Anyone who thinks ANY of the Star Wars movies amount to art is fooling himself. Art is Antonioni. Art is Bergman. Art is Jansco. Art is Herzog. Art is Ozu. Art is not Lucas, no matter how many times you have jerked off to Carrie Fisher's tushy. So can it, freak. You've caught me at a bad time, to be sure, and believe me, you're getting the least of it. Your mom, on the other hand, well . . . (Oh No! I'm kidding, I'm kidding; that was totally uncalled for and childish to boot!) -
Jan 29, 2002 3:33:35 PM CST
Sanjuro, How'd You Know About Carrie Fisher's Tushie?...
by buzz maverik
Not these days, of course, but in 1977....YIPPEEE!
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Can't argue with that one, baby.
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Jan 29, 2002 3:41:34 PM CST
Let's All Make A Pact To Never Again Type "LOL" When We Thin
by buzz maverik
Whaddya say? I mean, typing LOL is about as cool as getting buried up to the neck in sand when you go to the beach. That's one way the locals know you're stupid.
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Jan 29, 2002 3:52:15 PM CST
ENDER & BEAN! i aggree with you in this box office point but the
by drjones
the talkback belongs to the geek culture - althouh i think that paragraphs wouldn
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This is the funniest talkback I've ever seen.
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comparing the two franchises is ok, praising lotr is ok, but using it for bashing star wars is not ok. i am sorry if i have insulted some lotr fans. i have recently posted some silly things because this constant star wars bashing by some heroes who happen to be lotr fans made me angry. i hope you dont take my childish reaction serious. its interesting to see that most bashers are hardcore fans of the original trilogy who have lost their hope for star wars after the phantom menace. i can understand that, although the phantom menace wasnt the worst movie of all time, it had very few things in common with the old ones. now most fans dont believe that everything will change now within three years and we will get a great star wars movie by mr lucas. very few people (including me) have high hopes for the new movie, and 9 out of 10 posts are just cynical comments. i think that most people who bash lucas and his new movies want aotc to be really really really good, but nearly nobody actually writes it, perhaps it would hurt too much if the movie turns out to be mediocre like the last one. but if it turns out to be great, the talkbacks will be full of star wars praising posts by ex-bashers.
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... was his choice of casting Jake Lloyd in the last movie. Has anyone here watched the making-of documentary??? Did anyone besides myself see that the second kid acted FAR FAR better than Jake??? But NO! Jake *over* acts, and they go, "aww, how cute...", and he gets the part, despite fucking up even there. He is a freakin' scary kid. The second one, whoever you are, you were jipped my friend. Oh... and Rick McCallum is Satan. Along with Jerry Jones. These two men are the epitome of evil incarnate. Stay away. Stay far far away.
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The fucked up Talkback design caused me to accidentaly stretch out the page. That was not my intent...
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i only wish that you mouth-breathers weren't the majority. this movie will be as stupid as it's predecessor and it will still make an ungodly heap of money.
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just keep the fingers crossed, geeks.
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Jan 29, 2002 6:29:33 PM CST
I'm sorry, I just had to post if for no other reason than to
by forward_deploy
I honestly have to admit that AOTC has been hitchhiking on the emergency shoulder of the highway of my imagination of late. However, if this script review holds any water, then this could be the bare leg that gets my attention.************************I hav'nt seen this much dissent since the American Society of Narcoleptics found out there were 24 hours in day.
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As a long time talkbacker I am sick and fucking tired of you stupid motherfuckers using stereotypical sexuality as some kind of weapon. I'm talking about the stupid-ass "go kiss a girl" shit that I see on here or the cruddy high-school grade insulting horseshit that you stupid fucks try to pass off as "wit". Guess what - I'll wager most of the guys and girls on here have kissed someone they found sexy. I'm wager that, in fact, most if not all of us don't live in our parent's basement (shit, on the West Coast there are no such thing as basements). I think the only thing safe to assume is that if you are at this site, you love movies. And the vast majority of people who love movies are odd or strange, and some people like to call them "geeks". You guys all have something in common and yet you sit around and piss on each other with the same terms that the Normals use to piss on you! While I'm not stupid enough to believe that you'll all hold hands and sing "We are the World" could you try to fucking not act like such cocks to each other? I'm not going to say that arguing over movies is silly - like anything, they can arise passions in people. But do you have to be such fucking stereotypes and stereotype each other? Jesus Christ. BTW, on the topic at hand, a great script can mean a great movie but a shitty script hardly ever results in a good movie. So, if this script is as great as claimed, there's still a chance that Clones won't stink.
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I heard of this movie called Star Ballz Attack of the bones (a porn film) Has anyone heard of it??
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I heard about that movie. Lucasfilm wasn't happy about it but it was released under the parody law so nothing they could do. I don't think it'd be at Blockbuster because they don't carry those kinds of titles.
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And "joke of the Internet" is putting it mildly. The posts by some of the "people" here are perfect examples of why this site needs an emergency injection of Slashcode 2.2.4 ASAP. No, it wouldn't get rid of the Trolls, but with a Slashdot style moderation system on this site, posts are scored by relevance, intelligence, etc., meaning that on-topic posts are usually moderated up--+1, +2, +3, for example--while off-topic posts are moderated down (-1, -2, -587,649). People can post whatever the hell they want, but since users get to set their own personal preferences they can arrange it so that they themselves never see the Trolls, flamers, "f1rst-p0st!" vegitables and the like. Anyone who *wants* to see that crap an set their pref's to 0 or -1. Believe me, Slashcode would make both the Star Wars and Lord of the Rings Talkbacks A LOT more bearable. At least then I could mod down the single-helix genetic defects who seem to infest these TB's.
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Jan 29, 2002 9:26:44 PM CST
all your base are belong to obi-wan buys a beer and cheets on su
by duke ray
have i summed up the brilliance of this talk back (and all other recent tbs) adequately?
duke ray out.
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Jan 29, 2002 10:24:29 PM CST
Loved the introduction of Jar Jar? Does he immediately die?!?
by clemwriter
The only way to reintroduce Jar Jar...Lopped in half by a errant(?) lightsabre swing by Anakin in the opening sequence of the film. Sadly this shifts him WAAAYYY toward the good side of the Force, so he later has to do some REALLY BAD things to set into motion his transformation into Darth Vader.
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Reading this assortment of motley posts - and thinking back to many many others I have read in the last weeks I want to call for a new linguistic order. If there is one 'word' that makes my lip curl its CGI... I know what people think they mean when they berate CGI for this that and the other (my favourite recently is the 'pixelating makes things look flat' statement.. shit.. that made me puke me soup) however, the word is losing its meaning faster than Thora Hurd is losing her mobility. MOST.. YES MOST.. theatrically released films spend part of there gestation period in the digital inn, from the current definition every shot in O BROTHER WHERE ART THOU is CGI. To yell and judge a film on the existence of CGI is near enough to condeming Coppola for using a camera. Yep it can look like shit, be even more disturbing than the acting attempts of Ryan Phillipe, but it can also go unnoticed by 99.999% of the viewing public and be the best tool there is. I've never heard people complaining about the CGI in A NEW HOPE - and I mean the original release (yep its there). Thats cause all else around it had that same look. Is it just me or when you hear Lucas going on about how he is able to do whatever he wants now do you cringe and wanna shout "THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OLD DENIM LEGS... WHEN YOU HAD TO PUSH AND SQUEEZE AROUND WHAT WAS POSSIBLE.. FIGHT A BUDGET AND PIONEER NEW WAYS.. YOUR WORK HAD POWER, BEAUTY AND INTEGRITY... NOW THAT YOU FEEL THAT YOU CAN POTRAY ANY THOUGH IN YOUR HEAD YOU HAVE LOST THE BEST EDITING PROCESS THERE IS - LIMITATION - AND HAVE PRODUCED SOMETHING AKIN TO EATING COTTON CANDY TILL YOUR ARSE GOES 'PARP'".
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I hope Moriarty feels better now that they removed the BOMB IN HIS RIBCAGE.
Aw, who am i kidding, i just like saying "BOMB IN HIS RIBCAGE".
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I just finished reading v.1 of Lone Wolf and Cub. Anyone get the impression from this review that this could be a description of the Jango/Boba characters? Just an observation, considering Lucas has admitted to being influenced by Japanese entertainment.
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I'll tell you why. Because nothing could be as bad as TPM! The story was utter tripe, and it fits nowhere into the Star Wars saga, making Transformers:The Movie seem like an important film that needed to be made in comparison. The acting was horrid, apart from Ray Park's moves and Ewan MacGregor's Alec Guinness impression. The CGI was scrutinized by ILM like the Zabruder film and still looked fake in the battle sequence on Naboo. The duck-billed battle droids somehow managed to be less threatening than squeaking Annie's wussy little friends ("C'mon, let's go play ball..."), the Neimoidians were Japanese, Ahmed Best channeled Stepin Fetchit in crafting the beyond-Lovecraftian horror Jar Jar Binks, the best parts of the podrace were cut out, they just touched up an SR-71 model for the Queen's ship, they gave Trekkies goose bumps with that stupid midichlorines crap but bored and annoyed the hell out of all Star Wars fans (GTFO, Trekkies, this is OUR movie!), they lingered at the end of every scene involving the leads to watch them grin stupidly and chuckle like the evil laughter moment in Austin Powers II, they let the pacing get all screwed completely to hell, and generally managed to spend a vast heaping pile of money for a film that actually doesn't measure up to the Ewok movies, let alone the Trilogy. You couldn't make a worse film than this washing greasy rags out in the sink. AotC will be an improvement, Lucas quite simply has reached his career low with TPM, worse than Howard the Duck.
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then how are you still posting?
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Jan 31, 2002 2:32:33 AM CST
Nothing worse than someone dictating what is and isn't art.
by darthzachtoo
Blue is beautiful. NOT GREEN!!!
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fuck youze
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It's ugly when you get jealous
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