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Stephen King's ROSE RED!! Talk Back!!

Published at: Jan. 27, 2002, 6:33 p.m. CST

I am – Hercules!!

The reviews are in for the latest Stephen King-penned miniseries – and they are scary!

The mini airs Sunday, Monday and Thursday at 9 p.m. on ABC.

The Hollywood Reporter says:

If horrormeister Stephen King can give demonic powers to an innocent-looking car ("Christine"), then why not a house? That's the basic premise behind "Stephen King's Rose Red," a spooky three-part ABC miniseries that comes together quite nicely only to frantically and disjointedly unravel at the end.

… The first two parts nicely blend thrills, chills and comic relief. Sunday's opener includes a history of the mansion, and the second part Monday includes a lengthy tour of the place, both of which could have been trimmed. Nonetheless, the combination of eclectic characters and the judicious but effective use of special effects make the time pass quickly. Not so with the conclusion, which doesn't come until Thursday. In the third part, the characters lose most of their humor, undergo personality transformations and do enough obviously stupid things to turn it into just another haunted house screamfest.

Variety says:

… the same tech crew that brought viewers the haunting, highly effective "Storm of the Century" forgot to include the mojo this time around.

… "Rose Red," the second story King has written specifically for TV, is a far cry from the kind of scarefest his fans have come to expect. Clocking in at six (very long) hours and minus any top-tier stars, "Rose Red" is what they would call in the world of parapsychology a "dead cell." ABC isn't exactly giving the mini a big vote of confidence considering only the last of the three installments will air within the sweeps period.

… All of the elements that make a King story so accessible and entertaining are missing from this production. The working-class bravado of an unlikely hero, the rich character development and remote setting are displaced in favor of a downtown haunted house that is explored by a bunch of opportunists and outcasts. Filled with a few minor jolts and jumps, "Rose Red" actually loses a good deal of tension and credibility with each passing hour.

USA Today says:

Stephen King has too much time on his hands. Only a man with no need for time management could devote six hours to a haunted-house story — particularly one as lifeless as Rose Red.

… You could forgive the plodding start if King were headed somewhere worthwhile, but all he has to offer in Rose Red is a numbingly predictable series of seen-it-before jolts. In the guise of a new movie, King has simply recycled a collection of his own greatest hits, played at exceedingly slow speed.

… Any horror story would have trouble maintaining tension over three nights, but Rose Red is particularly ambling and pointless. There are no secrets to learn, because King spells out the plot for you in the opening minutes (house bad; people die). And there's no emotional connection because nothing and no one matters: The house chooses its victims at random from a crew of interchangeably dull characters. And six hours later, it's over — though like most King TV projects, Rose Red doesn't so much end as run out of time. Run the other way.

The Los Angeles Times says:

As unoriginal as haunted house stories get, "Stephen King's Rose Red" is his "Carrie" and "The Shining" meets "Ghostbusters," "Night of the Living Dead" and the Psychic Hotline. Written by the prolific King, this overwrought, overacted three-parter on ABC is campy, not scary or even stomach-turning.

In Humans vs. House, you may find yourself pulling for the house. If only Rose Red had eaten the script, the real spooks here being its author and those at ABC that decided to drag this chalky cadaver across three nights.

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  • Jan. 27, 2002, 6:44 p.m. CST

    No Interest

    by jvoves

    Sounds worse than Storm of the Century, if thats possible.

  • Jan. 27, 2002, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Why aren't we talking about tonight's new x-file?

    by SkiffyPup

    is X-Files off aicn since the revelation of the end of the series? Too sick of the shark jumping opinions? No spoilers from Herc? No one watched RoseRed.

  • Jan. 27, 2002, 9:46 p.m. CST

    comments by a watcher....

    by rubby

    I thought STORM OF THE CENTURY was very good and THE LANGOLIERS was fun while THE SHINING was excellent, in most cases better than the movie but ROSE RED does feel like been there, done that. From what I've seen it's entertaining but a bit too familiar, good work though.

  • Jan. 27, 2002, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Stephen King movies you think will be crap but are actually grea

    by Cash Bailey

    Anyone else enjoy this flick? Sure, It's a little cheap in that 'made in Canada for TV' kind of way, but Miguel Ferrer is sensational and it has one of the most freaky and downright fucked-up endings I've ever seen. The only thing I didn't like about it is that after the mystery of 'who is the Night Flier' is so well set-up and maintained throughout the film, when he IS revealed (which, like the short story, should never have happened) he looks like something out of a Troma movie, with a dodgy rubber snout and fangs. I'm sure a lot of you have seen this movie in your video shop and have dismissed it as another CHILDREN OF THE CORN or THE MANGLER, but next time you see it don't hesitate to rent it, you will be pleasantly surprised.

  • Jan. 27, 2002, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Remember when Grimace had four arms, and Hamburglar was a bad gu

    by St Buggering

    This whole McDonaldland motif is so much more interesting than the actual subject. And Skiffypup, the reason no one's discussing X-Files is because it's no longer relevant, regardless of its cancellation. It ceased to be relevant over a year ago. Now it's just breathing valuable air. I wish Stephen King would stop wasting time and get on with the next Dark Tower book.

  • Jan. 27, 2002, 10:37 p.m. CST

    EnemaBagJones

    by St Buggering

    Night Flier wasn't Stephen King. So that's one less King movie you thought was any good. And I despised the last act of the Shining miniseries. It was bad enough when it was in "Return of the Jedi".

  • Jan. 27, 2002, 10:39 p.m. CST

    EnemaBagJones: nevermind, yes it was

    by St Buggering

    I was thinking of something else. My apologies. You may now return to your business.

  • Jan. 27, 2002, 10:43 p.m. CST

    X-Files was warmed over Clive Barker

    by Windy City Blue

    Anyone familiar with Clive Barker's novella "In the Flesh," Barker's general recurring theme of the nature of evil and its continual rebirth, not to mention "The Hellbound Heart" and the notion of human skinnings, recognized the lame and unabashed rip-off Carter and company pulled tonight. I shoulda watched Rose Red.

  • Jan. 27, 2002, 11:05 p.m. CST

    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say THE SHINNING mini-serries

    by Tall_Boy

    sure, it was the more litteral interpretation of the book (aside from the mega-happy ending with the father that was the one thing that deviated from the book). While Kubricks was more of a mind-fuck (and, it was Kubrick for criss-sakes!) I think "The Shinning" is such a good story that you can interpret it anyway and still turn out some quality entertainment. Aside from "THE SHINNING" and "THE STAND", though, most of the King mini-series have been quite the let-downs. pitty.

  • Jan. 27, 2002, 11:09 p.m. CST

    "You got the SHINNING!" "You mean SHINING" "Shhhh, you wanna get

    by Tall_Boy

    goddamn, I hate spelling that friggin title...

  • Jan. 27, 2002, 11:28 p.m. CST

    You shouldn't be scared of the Hamburglar

    by Jack D. Ripper

    The Hammurderer is the one you have to watch out for.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, midnight CST

    Nothing can kill The Grimace

    by MCVamp

    Surprisingly, no one's brought that up. I'm just wondering whatever happened to the Filet O Fish Pirate Guy, Big Mac the cop, the Fry Guys and Mayor McCheese. A meat thief and a purple shake monster are allowed to live, as well as a crazy talking bird bitch, but no odd pirates, mop beasts or talking food? And that clown... brrrrrrrr... McDonalds is strange.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Garris's THE SHINING would have been more than decent, excep

    by Cash Bailey

    ...for that horrid, sniffling, short-lipped little fucker they got to play Danny. Worst... child actor... ever. STORM OF THE CENTURY read great asa script but (much like THE SHINING) was ruined by the casting of charisma-vacuum Tim Daly. Surely there are dozens of great, inexpensive character actors that would love to headline a series like that. Imagine STORM OF THE CENTURY if someone like Chris Cooper was cast. THE STAND was MADE by it's excellent cast: Ed Harris, Gary Sinise, Laura San whatserface etc...

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 12:09 a.m. CST

    I wanna eat Mayor McCheese!!

    by spiderblood1969

    And Grimace was one big purple demon.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 12:24 a.m. CST

    I think this website is haunted!

    by Regis Travolta

    Talkbackers have been known to be sucked into their computer screens and eaten by the Big Bad Harry in fact I feel like I'm being sucked into my screen right now HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 1:01 a.m. CST

    So far there's been only one part that kept my interest.

    by vroom socko

    And that was the ad for Dinotopia.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 2:38 a.m. CST

    I agree with The Hollywood Reporter.... So far.

    by Ted Striker

    Obviously, I haven't seen the last 2 parts, but tonights opening was interesting enough. We shall see......

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Bad House of Leaves rip-off

    by critical_theory

    Come on Steve, come up with an original idea instead of 'borrowing' from lit that's far more impressive than any of the 396 books you've written.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 4:55 a.m. CST

    critical_theory and HOUSE OF LEAVES

    by EricAlan69

    (Well, I watched 'Rose Red', and the two problems they're having are a.)Jesus CHRIST, how fucking long are we dragging this thing OUT? At the end of episode one, they actually haven't even OPENED THE DOOR of the HOUSE YET! Grr! And, also, there's b.) What the flying fuck is up with Nancy Travis? She's about half out of her gourd already, a'la Jack in Kubrick's "The Shining". I thought she and the autistic girl were going to start cackling with glee when they finally got to the damned house- weird!) Anyway- I absolutely loved Mark Z. Danielewski's "House of Leaves". It's an unfilmable masterpiece, as it should be (heck, I'm a movie junkie, and I don't ever want anyone to fuck with this book. To all comers: please just accept now that you will never be able to make this into a comprehensible film, unless it was partially like "Time Code", with three stories unfolding simultaneously, and you'd STILL be a million miles from Nirvana (the paradise, not the grunge band, natch). I mean, I grew up on Big Steve King, and no one writes characters as well as he does, but "House of Leaves"- Uncommonly Good, like a Keebler Cookie! (Please excuse the manic insanity inherent in my post- I have the flu, I've had insomnia and haven't slept in 53 hours, and I just spent an hour blasting that condescendingly arrogant Evil Reader in the 'Viggo Mortensen in "Madman"?'- thread. Must go consider re-reading HOUSE OF LEAVES. It's been 15 months since I read it- have I forgotten enough yet to start meticulously measuring my walls? Bwah-hah-ha!) In other words, please, all of you, I beseech thee: read this book. love and witchiechix, e.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 5 a.m. CST

    But, In Fairness To Evil Reader....

    by EricAlan69

    ....that reference to, 'William Castle/ pulling a plastic skeleton across the room from your television' absolutely cracked me up. Maybe he's not so Evil after all...or is he? love and witchiechix, e.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 5:26 a.m. CST

    Rose Red

    by TheMinusMan

    Rose Red is pretty entertaining, but predictable. If you have read any of Shirley Jackson's stories, from which this blatantly steals, you can figure out the outcome ten minutes into it. The Stephen King miniseries that I just can't wait for, is his adaption of Lars von Trier's Danish miniseries "The Kingdom." Now that should be interesting. P.S. It is true: You can never kill The Grimace. How do I know this, you ask? The mayor of Leonardo told me so. "Nay, we are but men. ROCK!!" --Tenacious D

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 6 a.m. CST

    What if you posted a spoiler and nobody cared?

    by Boo's Mommy

    Well, it's not a spoiler to anyone who's read last week's issue of Entertainment Weekly. Supposedly, there's this jive-ass "chilling" scene in which a little girl ghost lurches around singing "I'm a Little Tea-Pot." Unless I've lost my mind, and I have, King used this effect twice before. Once, in "Storm of the Century" when all the kids went into a daze and sang the exact same song, scaring Juliette Nicholson so badly she was forced to take a job with David E. Kelly, and once in the episode of "X-Files" that King penned where the little girl and her possesed doll kept playing "The Hokey-Pokey". Remember that episode? Where it was just like every other episode except for Scully was wearing a T-shirt with MAINE printed across is and all the extras said "Ayuh" and "'Cos" a lot. As in, "Ayuh. 'Cos I've used that stupid song before. It's a real Pissa!" I love Stephen King but he's pushing me. I can't watch a nine hour mini-series, or read a 600-page sleeping pill, just because it has his name on it, the way I did as a teenager. I'm a grown-ass woman. I need something I can feel.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Hey, Boo's Mommy....

    by EricAlan69

    Did you read 'Black House'? I thought it MUCH better than 'The Talisman', and was most impressed. I, too, will still read Big Steve, but he's definitely getting a bit lazy.... // e.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 6:45 a.m. CST

    EricAlan69- re: Blackhouse

    by Boo's Mommy

    I haven't read it yet, no. You have to understand that Dreamcatcher hurt me in ways I can't explain unless I showed you on a doll. It started nowhere and went nowhere and that's two and a half hours I'll never get back, when I could've been doing something important, like watching my Simpsons DVD or staring blankly at the ceiling. But maybe I'll give Blackhouse a shot. Sorry about your flu. Feel better, okay? (What's a Kittie?)

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 7:43 a.m. CST

    to keep with the mcdonald's subject, and my love for kevin s

    by sweet_caroline

    Guy in the audience: Can the virus kill the grimace? Mayor McCheese: Nothing can kill the Grimace!

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Boo's Mommy vs. Mr. Gray....

    by EricAlan69

    Boo's Mommy Says: "You have to understand that Dreamcatcher hurt me in ways I can't explain unless I showed you on a doll." // e. responds: By rolling about on the floor, laughing madly. // It was definitely the end of 'Dreamcatcher' that made me want to shoot myself; hopefully, with all the talent they have lined up for the film adaption (which I think started shooting in Canada last week), they can make something from the mess. Mr. Gray, indeed. Hmmpph! // Kitties would be a reference to one who posts on The Kitten, The Witches and The Bad Wardrobe, a BtVS message board that is a.)primarily comprised of Willow/Tara 'shippers, and is also b.)probably the only place left on the 'net where one can have an actual, intelligent discourse on BuffyStuff. There is someone there with a name remarkably simialar to your own, so I figured I'd check to see if you and they were one and the same. It's a great board, either way, and can be found here: http://froggyfrog.com/kitten . Thanks for the flu-related sympathy; the hallucinations from lack of sleep definitely have a plus side, I must say. Excuse me, Jimmy Hoffa, The Master and Mr. Gray just walked in, and I should entertain them with my sitar. Hmmph. Byrus, indeed. // e.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 8:31 a.m. CST

    I can't even remember who Mr. Gray is.

    by Boo's Mommy

    E- That's how bad it was. The last thing I *loved* by Stephen King was On Writing, and I'm sure that's on it's way to becoming a terrible mini-series starring Ed O'Neil and George Foreman. Rose Red is pretty awful. And not *good* awful, the way I hoped Glitter would be, just awful-awful, the way Glitter actually was. No, I'm not a Kittie, not that kind, anyhow. I've only seen one Buffy, the one with John Ritter as a hurtful robot.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Re: House of Leaves

    by Rosie_Cotton

    Would just like to point out, that the plot and story for "Rose Red" was already worked out before House of Leaves was published. In fact, I think the script was already written. King does mention MZD in his article in TV Guide saying "sometimes a good idea just goes around". ** Anyway, plenty of bashing by 'our betters' of this miniseries; but I enjoyed part one. I guess us 'common folk' just have no taste. I immediately recognized the scene from "Carrie" but it doesn't really bother me when a writer borrows from his own work. Anyway, King says he's packing it in, anyway, so after The Kingdom and the last three Dark Tower books are published, the whiners and pissers won't have anything more to wank off to.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Night Flier Was Pretty Good

    by holidill

    Miguel Ferrer was phenomenal, the ending is a little screwed up, but it did it's job. The TV adaption of THE SHINING wasn't that bad either. I didn't watch Rose REd because Discovery Channel had on BLUE PLANET a documentary about our oceans which was actually very cool. Where else can you see Emperoro penguins streaking through the water like torpedoes than launching onto the surface of Antartica. It was really cool. I believe the final two parts are tonigh at 9pm and 10pm with the final part about the mysterious creatures that live in the dark recesses of the Earth's oceans. Where else you gonna see luminous fish. That freaks me out. A'int nature cool!

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Julian Sands

    by AutomaticMachine

    Not to get so far off topic, but Julian Sands looks and acts like he would make a far more convincing 'Constantine' than Nicholas Cage ever could.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 10:54 a.m. CST

    OK, so it's "Carrie goes to the Overlook Hotel." Still...

    by Saucy Jack

    ...I found myself enjoying it. Nancy Travis makes me want to touch myself, the whole Winchester Mansion bit has not been overdone, and it had a few more or less original ideas. I liked the fact that there's no particular debate over whether the house is or isn't haunted, or whether these psychics do or do not have real powers. With the exception of Nancy Travis' overacting nemesis, everybody just accepts that this is real. A different approach to take. And I like the Erwin character's matter-of-fact acceptance of blood showing up in his refrigerator and psychic zombies showing up in his kitchen. "Save the warnings for someone who isn't broke." Love it! I even like the leisurly pacing...it's called BUILDING SUSPENSE, people. We'll have to see what subsequent nights bring, however. As somebody else pointed out, King may have given away too much in this first installment...we already know an awful lot about this house. But I'll tune in just to see. And Automatic Machine, you're dead right. Julian Sands would be the IDEAL Constantine!

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Stephen King hate-fest

    by lycanthrope

    Jebus - you folks sure love to pick on Big Steve! Okay, not all his books are pearls - I despised Dreamcatcher - but the man has penned some real gems - no one can take away The Shining, Dead Zone, The Stand, The Body, Green Mile, Hearts in Atlantis - and the 4th Dark Tower book made me cry - there, I've said it. For character development and evoking frights in a "real world" milieu, no one beats King - no one. If he retires from horror writing, I will be sorry not to look for his books any more, but I will always be grateful for those books of his which delighted and inspired me. And BTW, McDonald's is scary - just how bad would giant, anthropomorphic hamburger people smell? Eck.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 11:44 a.m. CST

    I've seen this before

    by pulpculture

    This story was better the first time, when Shirley Jackson told it as "The Haunting of Hill House." It was also better the second time, when Robert Wise directed it as "The Haunting." It may even be worse than Jan De Bont's "The Haunting," too. Which is worse? To be overloaded with special effects or to be bored?

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 11:53 a.m. CST

    King should know better than to present crap like this...

    by Roguewriter

    ... a serious waste of time overall. Too bad this is the one that will go down as David Dukes' final performance. Almost as discomforting as seeing Raul Julia bow out after STREET FIGHTER or whichever interchangeable video-game-movie that was... Damn, Mr. King, get back to the good stuff! And hey, what happened to the TV adaptation of THE TALISMAN??

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Can anyone say Plagerism?

    by Halloween68

    What the hell? After watching part one of Rose Red, I only have one comment... If I was related to the late Ms Shirley Jackson, I'd be on the phone with my lawyers trying to take a bite out of King's millions. Oh my god! Has anyone not read The Haunting of Hill House? Whole scenes and exact lines have been lifted exactly from the print of Ms Jackson's novel. All King did was change some of the character's names and genders, and then put it in modern times. So the professor, now a woman, is actually declared by a university. The estranged nephew, a decendent of the original owners of Hill House (oh, I'm sorry, Rose Red) now has a relationship with the professor, who is now the main character instead of youngest most innocent of the characters as in the original novel. And he also split this original main character into two people (sisters) to try and disguise the blatent ripoff. Overall, so far, the miniseries hasn't been bad, but please, Mr. King, how about giving credit where credit's due. Take Stephen King's off the title, and put an adapted from credit in it for Shirley Jackson. I knew the story was familiar, but when the stones falling on the house began, I began to cry foul. 'Don't know... Is the copyright on this story up? Can anybody take liberties with it now?

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Boo's Mommy, please PLEASE stop now, PLEASE I'm dyin her

    by Roguewriter

    Stephen King's ON WRITING, starring Ed O'Neill and George Foreman. Christ, that's a MAD TV parody waiting to happen! DREAMCATCHER broke my heart too -- it's his worst "cheeseball" novel since THE TOMMYKNOCKERS -- but alas, I can't give you better news about BLACK HOUSE. I thought it was a minorly interesting novella with a bad case of elephantitis-of-the-plot. But God help any reader who isn't thoroughly familiar with the Dark Tower books and all their peripherals (including INSOMNIA and the novellas "The Little Sisters of Eluria" and "Low Men in Yellow Coats"). King's Tower-related stuff always sweeps me away, but sometimes I wonder if he's leaving casual readers in the dust. And the stylized prose of BLACK HOUSE drove me to distraction! Boo's Mommy, can you make with the funny on command? Cuz I've got a staff meeting now, and I might need it in an hour or so... ;)

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 12:26 p.m. CST

    You people are stoned!

    by Halloween68

    The remake of The Shining sucked ass through a straw. Aaaahh... I mean that project was doomed even before shooting began with the casting of that little annoying ass kid. I mean, I wanted to kill him with a mallet 5 minutes into the picture. I sure don't know how Brian from Wings supposedly lived secluded with him for 4 months before finally cracking. Okay, and even before the casting. Stephen King might well be the stupidest person on Earth, next to Gus Van Zant (or however you spell it). What in God's name would make you think you can make a film better than Stanley Kubrick? Oh, yeah, Mr. Sleepwalkers. You're a great film maker. Good lord. And by the way, I give the number one distinction of stupidest person to Gus Van Zant because he got the notion that he could outdirect Hitchcock. But getting back to King, maybe someone should hit him with another minivan.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Hit and miss.

    by hudsucker

    Stephen King is the definition of hit and miss with his books AND his movies. Unfortunately, when he misses you get utter craptacular poo-fests like The Shining Mini-series (which was a jaw-dropping travesty) or the Dark Half. Rose Red is thus far a poo-fest. So far he's built zero supsense and ripped himself off about 50 times (really, rocks in the house, lifted DIRECTLY from Carrie?). Nancy Travis' acting makes me bleed out of every orifice, and the rest of the characters would be better off without names since they are more recognizeable as pure stereotypes. Plus, a house that grows on it's own yet everyone still chastizes the woman for wanting to document it? C'mon, at least make the story logical. I won't be devoting any more time to this mini-series. That's for sure.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 1:52 p.m. CST

    "The house is growing on its own."

    by Roguewriter

    THAT's the main problem I had with the first two-hour installment -- the previous poster nailed it. WHAT A PHENOMENAL COMMENT: "The house is growing on its own." And nobody reacts to it!! It was the kind of moment where you'd think, "Gee, maybe we'll get a flashback here depicting something related to this cool idea -- someone walking into a room that wasn't there a week earlier, etc." But noooo. Nothing. The whole thing reeked of stretching like an all-cotton sweater left in the dryer on high heat. No oomph, no tension, no pacing to speak of... and that one wonderfully imaginative idea left wholly unexplored -- by a roomful of psychics and wild talents!!

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Charles Fort, c'mon down!

    by lycanthrope

    Christ on a bicycle, this King-bashing just goes on and on - what's the matter, he make too much money for your taste? As I've said, King has some duds among the hits, but to accuse him of ripping off Shirley Jackson is rather weak (and I don't believe copyrights last the author's life + 70 - I know of a living author who allowed his copyright to lapse and now his book is public domain). Read "The Stars My Destination" - wonderful book, classic SF by Alfred Bester - oh wait, it was inspired by the "Count of Monte Cristo" - guess we'd better sue Bester's heirs... "Magnificent Seven" - classic Western - oh wait, guess it ripped off "Seven Samurai" - guess we'd better call the lawyers... The thing is, every horror story owes something to what came before - what, no one can make a story about psychics going into a haunted house? I agree "Rose Red" has problems - my big question is, if Dr. Reardon wants quantifiable data, why not study the KID? Jebus, stones rain out of the sky, there's telekinetics galore, and she doesn't even consider wiring the kid up like a Christmas tree and checking out her EEG... But back to my original rant - King may be ripping off little pieces of his own stuff - but Fort documented many cases of stones falling - we never got to see this in DePalma's "Carrie" - I for one enjoyed the sequence - and I LOVED the malcontent who's blase' about spirits appearing - that was a nice switch - especially since we know he's going to do a big turnaround in the next installments... And to the guy who said King should be run down again - no one would ever accuse you of being clever or humane - why don't you go back to torturing kittens or getting off on atrocity photos... Sheesh.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Bravo, People!

    by EricAlan69

    (This Is Not Sarcasm, BTW): Thank gOD that this TB didn&#39;t degenerate into questioning each other&#39;s moral and making sweeping judgements of people like happy little fascists (well, there was that "King should be hit by another van thing, but it was countered deftly with a right-hook of &#39;atrocity video masturbation&#39;). This TB is the funniest damned thing I&#39;ve read in AGES around here, and there&#39;s been education, too: we&#39;ve learned all about the intricacies of copyright law, and we&#39;ve also learned that there is an overwhelming desire by viewers of "The Shining &#39;97" to kick the living fuck out of that horrendous little boy (he&#39;s worse than that freaky talking doll-boy-thing that hangs out with the 300 year-old witch on that seriously cracked NBC soap whose name I can&#39;t recall), which I also will not count against us in the anti-fascism category (because it&#39;s true, that kid is like my worst nightmare of a &#39;Buffy&#39; guest starring spot come true.... <shudder>). Now, my people over in today&#39;s Buffy thread have let me down, simply because they were supposed to rant and rave at each other like....well, I guess kind of like Nancy Travis and AutisticPsychicGirl were starting to get when they finally got to the damned house. They let me down, did my Buffy peeps, though they&#39;re staging a comeback with the "Spike should impregnate Buffy" pros and cons (don&#39;t ask....) which are intermingling with taunts of people mating with Ted Bundy for the fun of it, which has promise. God-DAMN but I love TalkBacks sometimes. /// Oh, and to clarify- other than my two problems with Rose Red at the top of this TB, I&#39;m still going to watch it, borrowed scenarios and all, because I&#39;ll always dig Big Steve, and because this flick is....fun. Yes, fun. Like Erwin&#39;s total non-chalance to bloody revenants in his kitchen- fun. Nancy Travis going from arguing vehemenently with David Dukes to bugging the fuck out, rubbing her bloody hands on his cheeks, and (for all intents and purposes) pretty much calling him a big pussy- WAY fun. Peace out, y&#39;all. Let&#39;s regroup after tonight&#39;s episode for further frolic. // love (especially love for Boo&#39;s Mommy, who is my one true hero among you all, simply on the strength of that whole &#39;Dreamcatcher disturbed me in ways it&#39;d take a doll-model to show how I was violated&#39;- thing.), // e.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Oh, And If You&#39;re Wondering....

    by EricAlan69

    ....Yeah, I&#39;ve totally lost my fucking mind. It&#39;s cool, though. Not sleeping for 70 hours makes colours prettier and fish friendlier. Love and Guppies, // e.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 8:35 p.m. CST

    My thoughts

    by kwolfhard

    Okay, so Melanie Lynskey and Nancy Travis and Julian Sands aren&#39;t all that big in Hollywood, but they&#39;re still active in films. I mean, Melanie Lynskey was in Heavenly Creatures for God&#39;s sake. She&#39;s a -good- actress. And Nancy Travis... well, I&#39;m the first one to admit I had a crush on her... There&#39;s just something about her face. Personally though, I think the writers of Variety and the Reporter would rather watch the news. With what&#39;s going on in the world, the populace need some form of escape, and though it&#39;s not the best thing on TV, Rose Red certainly gets my vote of Escapist Mini-series for the year. But then again, I&#39;m a fan of the genre and, perhaps to a lesser extent, King. I think the critics judged it a little too harshly. I, personally, quite enjoyed the first two hours.

  • Jan. 28, 2002, 11:59 p.m. CST

    King Bashing

    by Dijonase

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 12:09 a.m. CST

    King Bashing

    by Dijonase

    I&#39;ts amazing how many people are eating this mini-series alive on this talkback. I&#39;m beginning to think that if a movie doesn&#39;t have kung-fu, light sabers, or naked breasts, the AICN community gives it a firm thumbs down. As far as I&#39;m concerned, a flick with some downright creepy moments AND characters that it actually cares enough about to give them a proper introduction (rather than pop them on screen and kill them off) is OK by me. I hope King never stops writing. He&#39;s a horror author that knows what it&#39;s all about: you have to let the audience get to know the characters before you toss them off the deep end. Oh, and Rose Red is a great miniseries. Storm of the Century was even better.

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 12:28 a.m. CST

    King&#39;s Miniseries

    by Dijonase

    Just a few things I have to add to my last post. I gave my stance on some of King&#39;s miniseries&#39; (not that anyone cares, my opinion will matter none to the King haters on this board), but I forgot a few. Though I&#39;m a die hard King fan, IT sucked giant sweaty asshole. I had read the book and rented the movie, at the time not knowing that it was a shitty representation of the novel itself. I wasn&#39;t too fond of The Stand, mainly due to the fact that they hired an incompetent goober of an actor to play one of King&#39;s best and creepiest villains ever, Randall Flagg. And as far as the whole Shining debate, I have to side with King. I read that book and (like with IT) ran to rent the movie. Imagine my surprise. Kubrick put Jack "psycho who hits people with golf clubs" Nicholson in the part of a loving father who slowly goes insane. What?? He played the nutty part great, he just did it for the whole movie. The miniseries wasn&#39;t perfect, but it kept the story elements that were essential (like the boiler). And while I did love Dreamcatcher, the ending read like he decided to sniff shoe polish and eat month old salami, became violently ill and incredibly high, and write the most confusing series of events ever put on paper. None of the ending made a lick of sense. Ok people, tear my opinion to shreds, cause I know you will.

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 12:52 a.m. CST

    King&#39;s Short Stories Are Awesome

    by MikeSal222

    "All That You Love Will Be Carried Away" -- his best story, and one of the best pieces of short fiction I&#39;ve read in years. "1408" -- a genuinely terrifying ghost story. "Riding the Bullet" "That Feeling, You Can Only Say What It Is In French" -- surreal, brilliant "Lunch at the Gotham Cafe" "The Death of Jack Hamilton" All of these stories (and others) will be collected in "Everything&#39;s Eventual: 14 Dark Tales", which will be published in March 2002. If you want to read King at his absolute best, read these stories, especially "All That You Love Will Be Carried Away". Simply amazing.

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 2:18 a.m. CST

    I hope Frank Darabont stops wanting to be Frank Capra so he can

    by Cash Bailey

    Name one King fan who wouldn&#39;t cream their jeans at the thought of a movie based on this incredible novella? Darabont is a self-described genre uber-geek who&#39;s been dying to make THE MIST for years. Those spiders in the pharmacy with the acid webs should be fucking terrifying!

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 3:06 a.m. CST

    King Retiring Soon

    by MikeSal222

    In a recent interview, King says he will stop writing (or at least publishing) after he finishes Books 5, 6, and 7 of the Dark Tower (he expects to have all three finished by the end of 2002/early 2003). His novel, "From a Buick Eight" will be published in September 2002.

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Copyright & Miss Jackson

    by hyperboy

    OK to you guys who have no idea about copyrights, it is only life of the author + 70 years if the work was created after Jan 1, 1978. The copyright laws were drastically different before then... but even so, Jackson&#39;s novel written in 1959 and copyright was renewed in 1987, so it should still be under protection. Shirley Jackson died in 1965, if anyone wonders. Strange that she isn&#39;t credited, even though Stephen King told an interviewer (the article is on the LA times site) that he used Shirley Jackson&#39;s novel as source material. Maybe they licensed it and part of the contract was not to credit Jackson? Who the heck knows... In any case, part 2 was just as mind numbingly bad as part 1. In part 3, I hope the house turns em all into blood sausages, but I&#39;ve lost all interest in watching it happen! The best haunted house movie is still Robert Wise&#39;s "The Haunting", IMHO :)

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 3:09 a.m. CST

    loads better than The Langoliers

    by magic_ninja

    Hands down The Langoliers was the WORST adaption of a Stephen King story. From the cheesy "special effects" to the horrid acting it was an all around crapfest.

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Krackle was my favorite.

    by Boo's Mommy

    Emery is treading on serious Harold Lauder territory, and he seems to have a real hard time closing his mouth after he speaks. He looks a lot like a male, obese Uma Thurman to me, and I don&#39;t mean that as an insult to anyone involved. Look, I wanted to like this thing. I loved The Stand, because The Stand filled every minute without having to stretch. Hell, I own Storm of the Century on DVD and, in some states, I&#39;m pretty sure you can be shot for that. But Rose Red....it just went on and on. Time collapsed upon itself during the second part, to a point where, when I finshed watching it, I walked out of the bedroom and ran into myself coming in to *start* watching it. And Nancy Travis is killing me. A so called "Ms. Ahab" by Stephen King himself, she takes orders from every man in the joint, and grins and eye-crinkles like a retired flight attendant. I&#39;ll watch the end, regardless, because, you know, I&#39;m a loud-mouth and I like to bitch.

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Got it wrong, perhaps

    by hyperboy

    The LA times article said that King used the Jackson novel as a "point of departure", not as source material...perhaps the story is different enough that it isn&#39;t really a derivative work. I mean, you cant copyright the idea of "psychic people in a haunted house"... unless of course, scenes/dialogue are directly lifted, as one person on this board seems to think. Mmmmmm a double double sounds good right now, and I won&#39;t run into the Hamburgler or the Fry Guys.... they are some spooky shit.

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 9:01 a.m. CST

    rose red

    by norn23

    i am makin my bf give me a quarter everytime someone says "ANNIE NO!" so far i have made 8 bucks, & i bet i&#39;ll get more on the 3rd night. all these characters are recycled cardboard. i knw stephen king is a hack but even he knows he is better than this! the house is so coool...so why do we have to just see THE SAME 3 shots of it, over & over? @ least give us some angles!!! & since nancy travis is the one who started this whole investigation, why does she seem the most suprised whenever something &#39;paranormal&#39; happens...& even though she&#39;s the leading authority on the houses history, she keeps insisting its &#39;perfectly safe&#39;...well if thats the case, why bother with the research? i&#39;m so glad she stayed up all night to write "annie is THE KEY to unlocking rose red!!!"...good thing she spelled it out for us, it might have been over my head. & these gotta be the least psychic psychics i&#39;ve ever seen!! the "people proximity meter" goes up intpo the 20s & not a one of those psychics feels anything? a dead woman leads the heartattack psychic guy on a chase & he never even suspects she&#39;s a ghost...even though her eyes are glowing red? I do have to say I am really happy that judith ivey is gettin paid, coz i adore her!!! ANOTHER THING: stephen king tries to get us all riled up about the racism & injustice towrds "Zuchina"...yet, he plays on that same racism by makin her go around with her eyes poppin out. thats just RUDE.

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 10:09 a.m. CST

    A few things...

    by Halloween68

    Hmmm. Where to start? Okay, after viewing part two, I know longer think King is plagiarizing. (And oh, great come back about the mispelling...He, he, he.) But on the downside to this, I now realize that this is too bad to have anything to do with Shirley Jackson. What the heck is wrong with King? It&#39;s like he&#39;s two different entities. There&#39;s the King that writes magnificant stories for books, and then there is the King that writes really bad screenplays. You know what this miniseries lacks? Among other things, the really big thing it lacks is subtlety. Doesn&#39;t anyone think that the whole thing would&#39;ve been much creepier and much more effective as a horror movie if the characters would&#39;ve gradually noticed odd things happening over the course of the movie. A sort of building realization. That&#39;s the one thing King totally missed from Jackson&#39;s work. Which by the way, King has admitted in several articles that he was influenced by Hill House. I think subtlety would&#39;ve worked much better than hurricanes coming through doorways, the carol ann come to the light sequences, various spark throwing electrical appliances, Aunt Jemima apparitions, and the occational phono graphic flower. The entire length of part two was, "oooo, this house really is haunted." Nothing actually happened except for a couple more disapearances to add to the house body count. Too much in your face and not enough substance. And oh, to someone above... The Shining remake was Stephen King&#39;s idea. The idea of book adaptation to film is totally lost on him. Kubrick made The Shining the way he did because he unlike King is a film maker, and he unlike King understands what works in film and what doesn&#39;t. For example, while the topiary sounded really creepy and cool in our imaginations, it came off extremely cheezy on film. Kubrick knew what he was doing. Jack made a great Jack for the film version. Two different mediums, two different roles. Get over it. Lastly, settle down people. The mini van comment was just a joke. I obviously meant nothing by it. If it was in bad taste, I apologize. I said it in the same way some people comment on doctors dropping people on their heads when they were babies. Both silly and offhanded. Again, sorry if I offended.

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 10:55 a.m. CST

    I *Knew* I&#39;d Get More Entertainment!

    by EricAlan69

    Dammit, this is great, I tell you. I am having more fun than Harold Lauder in Frannie&#39;s underwear drawer with this film. I think that they gave Nancy travis a completely different script than the rest of the cast, then dosed her with psychedelics. Those shots in part two of her twirling with her little testing apparatus, just about to die with delight: perfection! She&#39;s totally cracked! Also, I totally revise my opinion of Annie: I really liked her in this episode, and was surprised to learn that she&#39;s actually 17- she looks 11! Her sister is pretty cool, too, though not given nearly enough to do. //Now, the bad stuff....Was Kevin Tighe popping nitroglycerin tabs throughout, or Ecstasy? When he came back ready to dance the night away, I think he dosed himself....The Pizza Boy cameo was really horrifying, Steve. That may have scared me more than anything else.....Did anyone else get the impression that what they were *attempting* to do during the last hour was to say that the house was sort of dividing everyone up for the wackiness to ensue, but what it actually did was show you a ten minute long scene with one group (CuteSister, Annie and RimbauerHeirBoy and their musical flower, for instance), then non-sensically switch to another character, repeatedly making you remark, "Oh, yeah! I actually forgot that ______ was *in* this movie? I mean, we lost WackyNancyTravis for like an hour, only to find her getting giggly with her Ghostbusters toys- d&#39;you think she might be a little bit off? Maybe?......Okay, what exactly is up with Julian Sands&#39; character? Is he supposed to be having a thing for RimbauerHeirBoy? I mean, if so, that&#39;s cool, but that whole Dom Perignon breakfast-scene was like something lifted from an entirely different movie. And why is it in Big Steve tele-flicks, the British guy is always the most rational, clear-thinking one of the lot? Julian reminds me a *lot* of the MI6 guy in the Langoliers (except that the MI6 guy could probably have managed to break the glass in that door to get to Kevin Tighe, and might have even refrained from pronouncing him dead until he&#39;d done so)....also, and maybe I missed something here, but what in the name of all that is Wonky was up with the Self-FaceMasking Garden Statue?.......and, finally, does the guy playing Emery remind anyone else quite a bit of the guy who played Kent in &#39;Real Genius&#39;? They&#39;re not the same actor, but there&#39;s this huge resemblance, and I keep waiting for Val Kilmer to come in and speak to God through Emery&#39;s teeth. // NOW I HAVE TO WAIT &#39;TIL THURSDAY FOR MORE?!?!? Aargh! // e.

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 11:12 a.m. CST

    The prof is looking for proof of psychic phenomena right? Isn&#3

    by RobRed1

    That&#39;s my biggest problem with this story. I&#39;m just hoping that in the finally there&#39;s some dark secret about why the prof. stoppped being "a pretty damn good child psychiatrist" and became a ghost hunter obsessed with Rose Red. If not, this whole investigation makes no sense. Her motivations just don&#39;t work._____________-As for King, I think he writes great characters, sets up a great story, and then 8 out of 10 times writes a lousy ending. Just hope the pay off at the end of the Dark Tower series is one of the 2 out of 10 GOOD endings.

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Wake up, Big Steve!

    by lycanthrope

    Now that I&#39;ve defended Big Steve, I have to wonder about Rose Red. I like the idea of Rose Red, like the Shirley Jackson meets the Winchester Mystery House premise - but Nancy Travis&#39; character is a real non-scientist... I can forgive the psychics for not picking up on presences, or not realizing certain people are actually ghosts - it may be that the house is so powerful it can mask itself, keep them blind to what is going on - but Dr. Reardon has a subject of study in everyone on her team, yet feels only Rose Red will satisfy the need for legitimate study... The only way I can rationalize this is that Dr. Reardon came under the spell of Rose Red some time ago, and the house and its spirits have compelled her to bring in individuals to help it power up... I agree the show would be more successful had it been more subtle - the rope disappearing into a wall was a nice shot - I would have had all the "house changes" stuff as legend, something confirmed by their visit, and save the specters and stuff for when things really start to go awry... And if you were a MALE descendant of the Rimbauers, would you EVER set foot inside that venus flytrap of a house? Uh uh - no way. Oh well, the ghosts are kinda creepy and I loved the statue tearing off its face to watch heart attack guy... On to Part III... Oh, and Halloween68 - sorry I took you so seriously - I can be pretty tasteless myself!

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 3:40 p.m. CST

    I think Grimace was designed to represent a thickshake.

    by Cash Bailey

    But something went horribly wrong at some point, and we now have that disturbing purple blob with down syndrome. Grimace always reminded me of Schmoo, that big, white plasticine bean-bag with whiskers off SCOOBY DOO. What the fuck was that?

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 4:40 p.m. CST

    from the director of "Action Jackson"....

    by Fatal Discharge

    ...UGH! Why couldn&#39;t they get a decent director to do this? This was from the same guy who did Storm Of The Century (which I thought was a one-note miniseries too). I missed the first part of this (you guys should give a heads up when something of interest to AICN is about to come out on tv....and I don&#39;t mean every Buffy and Alias episode either you walking-hardons). Since the 2nd night started with them entering the house, I guess I didn&#39;t miss much - just character backstory and the missing photographer. All in all, it reminded me of Jan De Bont&#39;s The Haunting (which is not a good thing). Gee, I never expected the statue to come to life. Why the hell did they show the upcoming scares before each set of commercials too? Talk about ruining the thing even more....idiots!! As for The Shining, I liked the miniseries as it captured the emotions of the book way better than the film. No-one is saying that the miniseries is a better cinematic experience than Kubrick&#39;s film but what upset King so much is that Nicholson&#39;s character comes off as a zombie-villain when in fact the main theme of the book was that he was a man struggling with his inner demons and alcoholism. He wanted to be good but the ghosts in the hotel and his own weaknesses were pushing him to do evil things. You get none of that in Kubrick&#39;s film because, let&#39;s face it, he isn&#39;t good at showing characters having true human feelings. I still think it&#39;s a great film cinematically but as a fan of the book first I&#39;m glad King redid it as a more human drama.

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Even Stephen King knows it&#39;s over...

    by hudsucker

    Stephen King did an interview with CNN today. He said he&#39;s packing it in. Check it out from CNN: --------------- After he publishes five more books, two of which already are scheduled for 2002 -- including a collection of short stories -- as well as work on a limited series for ABC, he&#39;s ending his career in publishing, he said. --------------- "Then that&#39;s it. I&#39;m done. Done writing books," he told the Times&#39; Kim Murphy. --------------- Why? he was asked. --------------- "You get to a point where you get to the edges of a room, and you can go back and go where you&#39;ve been and basically recycle stuff," he said. --------------- Ouch, guess he&#39;s been reading this Talkback.

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Read all about it yourself...

    by hudsucker

    http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/01/29/stephen.king/index.html

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Rose Rediculous

    by ReglarJoe

    There&#39;s just something about King&#39;s TV movies...somehow all the horror gets drained out of them and the entire concept (which is usually the heart of the horror) looks rediculous. Can anyone say for one moment that Langoliers or the Shining miniseries were scary? Answer: no. Rose Red is stupid and boring. It is a bad reworking of the Haunting, which was a horrible reworking of the classic B&W the Haunting film which was actually scary. If I were a paranormal researcher, I could dedicate my entire career to the girl with the doll, forget about Rose Red. Jeez. She&#39;s dancing on air and the only reaction is Warlock saying "she&#39;s incredible!"? I guess he is used to people flying around. Ahh...at least Rose Red was good for one laugh. Mr. King and associates, you (esp. the former) should know by now that the unseen is scarier than the seen. Seeing a statue or hedge move around is not as scary as seeing it, then looking back and it is in a different place. We&#39;ve all seen cgi before and we&#39;re onto it, OK? Over and over these movies try to scare us with that photoshop crap and it is just boring. If you want to see how to make a good horror flick rent The Others, which generated no less than 3 geniune shrieks from my horror-jaded wife. Mr. King...stop it with the movies already. Leave that to someone who understands the art form of film.

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 6:14 p.m. CST

    It&#39;s amazing that Talkbackers even read books...

    by magic_ninja

    seriously. i thought all they did was huddle around computers and wait for the latest news about the new Star Wars crapfest.

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Could have been better ....

    by cooper2000

    This isnt as horrible as say the remake of the Haunting but why, oh whyyyyy, does this have to be 6 hours? I tried to read a few King books and they were so wordey and drawn out that I couldnt finish them. This miniseries is good to have on why you are doing something else because like a soap opera, you can tune in a week later and not miss anything. I like the cast and there are some creepy things but as far as I am concerned, you cant do better than Haunted House movies like "Poltergeist" and the little known "Burnt Offerings" which this Miniseries borrows the Changing house thing from. This show would have been much better at three hours. The pacing would have been better instead of a commercial every 10 minutes. I must say though, I&#39;ll watch Matt Keslar in anything because hes so adorable. I just wish he would take his shirt off more. Anyone know how they rewrote the scenes with David Dukes after he passed away during the filming?

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Loaded. Excellent.

    by Boo's Mommy

    I wish it was on tonight so I&#39;d have something to complain about. Like when the statue opened it&#39;s eyes and looked like a fucking Furby, or when they grooved to Glenn Miller and it was just like the video for "Dancing on the Ceiling" from 1986 with the same exact special effects. I&#39;ll miss Stephen King but he does seem to be rehashing a bit. In his estimation, Ugly equals Bad. Fat equals Bad and Weak. Short- and spotty- equals devious. Too Pretty equals Evil Beyond All Comprehension. Plain-Pretty equals Girl of His Dreams (just so long as Our Hero gets to fuck Too Pretty Girl and have her still want him when he rejects her.) Ethnic, especially Black and Old, equals Wise, and, usually, Stereotyped. Children equal Psychic, and Able to Move Things in an Enchanting Way....until angered. The whole thing makes me long for the haunted house in the video for "Love 2 Love U" by Timbaland and Magoo, where Tim almost gets cut in half by a circular-saw and Shaunta brags about having "big lips and handle-bars." Is that too much to ask for?

  • Jan. 30, 2002, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Sigh. No "Rose Red" Tonight....

    by EricAlan69

    I mean, I&#39;m sated. I got a new Buffy, and a decent Smallville, but, c&#39;mon! I was just getting into the rhythm of being vastly entertained on a nightly basis by this finely crafted piece of fluff, and now I have to wait two more days to figure out just how this will ever turn out! I mean, it&#39;s not as if the ending is transparent, sort of like everything else in the film, but, still! I have mysteries to solve, and a day without Rose is a day wasted at this point. I&#39;m still trying to figure out who, exactly, the hero of this piece is, Boo&#39;s Mommy, after reading your Handy-Dandy Pocket Guide To Stephen King&#39;s Characterizations....it can&#39;t be wacky Nancy Travis, because she&#39;s too bat-shit crazy, and will no doubt realize this at the last possible moment. It isn&#39;t RimbauerHeirBoy, because he&#39;s too easy to push around. I guess the closest thing we have to a hero is Julian Sands, and I *still* think he wants to fuck RimbauerHeirBoy (not that there&#39;s anything wrong with that). I just don&#39;t know anymore. The announcement that Big Steve&#39;s retiring from the writing business just makes me sad, but he also said he&#39;ll publish the final 3 books of Dark Tower first, so, technically, he won&#39;t be retiring until he&#39;s 136. Drowning in this miasma of the flu and no Rose Red tonight, I just hang my head, and throw on some Timbaland and Magoo to sync myself with Boo&#39;s Moomy. Peace out, y&#39;all // e.

  • Jan. 30, 2002, 6:51 a.m. CST

    You know who else is great to listen to when you&#39;re waiting

    by Boo's Mommy

    I love this TB because it&#39;s like a support group- RRA. The best part of RR so far was when they found Bollinger&#39;s camera in the mirror library and it actually had his name on it. What was he, ten? I kind of feel like Stephen King will keep coming out of retirement like MJ or Jerry Glandville. Yeah, I know...but he does do color commentary and those horrible 1-800-whatever comercials. I don&#39;t think King can just stop writing, he&#39;s been too prolific. He&#39;ll take a couple of years off and come out with some monster-ass tome and make another hilarious mini-series out of it and then I can pick up the pieces of my cold, cold heart and move on.

  • Jan. 30, 2002, 7:55 a.m. CST

    RRA

    by EricAlan69

    "My name is e., and I&#39;m a self-torturing, camp-craving Red Rose-a-holic. I...I&#39;ve been clean for two days now, but I don&#39;t feel so strong anymore....&#39;cause I know there&#39;s more out there....waiting for me....Thursday....can&#39;t....stop....looking for greatness in a large pile of foo....need and intervention....." <thud> e.

  • Jan. 30, 2002, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Sorry EricAlan

    by Dijonase

    I&#39;d love for King to write till he&#39;s 136, but he&#39;s stated that he&#39;s working on the final DT books right now, and is planning on releasing all 3 at once in fall 2003 or so. Personally I think the guy could easily keep going. Even if you think he&#39;s hit a brick wall, all you have to do is look back to books like Bag of Bones and The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon to see that he still has fresh and original ideas. Well, maybe that&#39;s just me. Looking forward to the finale on Thursday. Out.

  • Jan. 30, 2002, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Julian Sands and Dohmersimpson

    by Halloween68

    I actually like Julian Sands as an actor... I think he&#39;s very underrated and isn&#39;t offered enough good roles. Too bad. And to Dohmersimpson. I&#39;m opposite on The Shining thing. I thought the miniseries was a travesty. Kubrick made a great movie adaptation. When any story is adapted to screen, it has to go through changes. Different mediums. Some things don&#39;t work on film the way they do in your head as you&#39;re reading. Look above at my topiary example. Stanley Kubrick was a great film maker. Let the film makers make films. Sure the movie is different than the book. Doesn&#39;t capture the essence you might say. Well, go back and read the book. If you want to see a good movie based on the book, watch the movie. For you see, even if you go word for word from the book, like much of the miniseries, it still loses something. You can&#39;t tell me that that terrible miniseries captured any of the essence of King&#39;s actual book... King wrote a good book. From what I remember, everybody wasn&#39;t stupid and annoying and facing cartoon like situations and apparations, with cartoon like emotion. And if you think Kubrick&#39;s characters were underdeveloped, I don&#39;t know what to say to you except that you&#39;re crazy. Kubrick was insanely attentive to every detail in his films... Including the kind of performance he got from his actors. Overly so in fact. Many of the actors from his films left with deep-seeded hatred for the director. He inspired a whole lot of emotion. And he knew how to make a film.

  • Jan. 30, 2002, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Haunted McDonalds...

    by Almost Sexy

    Mark Earl Rogers had a haunted McDonald&#39;s restaurant in "The Dead Lot" segment of his book The Sword of Samurai Cat, which managed to parody the Shining, Carrie, Salem&#39;s Lot, Firestarter and god knows what else, although he didn&#39;t include iconic McDonald&#39;s character such as Grimace and the Hamburglar. "Thought you ought to know..."

  • Jan. 30, 2002, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Best King-inspired movie?

    by ReglarJoe

    Funny it seems like the ones SK isn&#39;t involved in turn out to be the best ones...here&#39;s my top & bottom 5. Best 1)Shawshank Redemption 2)The Shining (Kubrick) 3)Delores Claiborne 4)Carrie 5)Firestarter Honorable mention goes to The Stand for best use of the song "Don&#39;t Fear the Reaper" in film. Worst 5)Needful Things 4)Pet Sematary 3)Cujo 2)Salem&#39;s Lot 1)Langoliers Honorable mention goes to Maximum Overdrive for being one of the best bad movies ever!

  • Jan. 31, 2002, 7:41 p.m. CST

    No One Will Ever Read This....

    by EricAlan69

    ....now that it&#39;s been bumped off of the main board, but in only 1 hour and 23 minutes, the final chapter of Wose Wed begins, and I know that Boo&#39;s Mommy and I will be amused... to death. love, e.

  • Feb. 1, 2002, 6:22 a.m. CST

    As a hula dancer, my skin needs to look it&#39;s best.

    by Boo's Mommy

    Did you notice that nobody really paid attention when Emery lost fingers? I think it would&#39;ve bled more than that. Kathy&#39;s hankie probably wouldn&#39;t have been enough to stop the flow of blood, even if it were monogrammed. And what they did to his poor mother! Uncalled for, even though she did take that last bite of donut before running out of her house to go find him. Mommy&#39;s Little Scoot-About? Priceless!! I almost wept with pleasure, and instantly re-named my &#39;74 Nova. The ending was a dog, though- "Theme From a Summer Place" surrounded by corpses, who hasn&#39;t seen that *millions* of times in their personal lives? For my money, nothing was scarier than the commercials, especially the one where Garth Brooks laughs hysterically while holding a Dr. Pepper.

  • Feb. 2, 2002, 5:41 p.m. CST

    C&#39;mon... this was damned entertaining

    by Yeroc7890

    Sure, it wasn&#39;t as good as THE STAND mini, but it beat the hell out of IT and THE LANGOLIERS... I&#39;m a sucker for Stephen KIng, his books are great, hell, even THE TOMMYKNOCKERS was pretty damned good and that&#39;s usually regarded as the worst...book...ever... But anyway, I found this miniseries to be pretty good, even if it was a bit predictable. Leave it to Steve to kill off the coolest character, Julian Snads himself. He always does that... other King fans may remember Henry Leyden from BLACK HOUSE, who was damned cool. Now that I think about it, Rose Red was mentioned in Black House... coolness...