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In Terminator - Arnie was bad... In T2 - Arnie was good.... Goooooood.... Baaaaaaad... what next'
Harry here, I suppose this here story is a SPOILER... If you do not want to know Arnie's Human position in T3, just click your back button now. However, if you must know... If you have an undying thirst for what Mostow will do to the man with the metal backbone... read on....
Harry;
I was taping Access Hollywood for a Star Wars segment for TFN when a feature
on Arnold Schwarzenegger came up. In it, he revealed a bit of news about
the Terminator 3 plot. Besides a female Terminator, his robot character
will be glitched and will switch sides throughout the film. To check out
a
short Real Video clip of the segment, visit the link below:
CLICK HERE FOR THE OAK OF TRUTH!
Scott
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I think I can sit through the next Terminator film.
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Jan 25, 2002 9:07:16 PM CST
You know what I'd like to see? ...a shot of Arnold running t
by formula409
Yeah That'd be cool! ...or has that been done?
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Jan 25, 2002 9:10:08 PM CST
If He's Both... odds are there will be some one saying, "But
by kirbymanly
... and the kid holds up some charm that makes the Terminator remember that he has a heart of gold. This will be tripe if they don't make him one or the other. In the words of Grandpa Simpson: "Eeeeevilllll!!!!" That is all.
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Mang, why you be doin' this to youseaf? I mean seriously--in a better world then this we would be reading about progress-to-date on CONAN: CROWN OF IRON or CRUSADE, not this--this--*thing.* If T3/4 *have* to be made then I hope all to hell that they rock harder then Busta Rhymes, but IMOHO the world doesn't need any more sequels to stories that are already finished and told. Do something origional. Make something real.
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Jan 25, 2002 9:37:41 PM CST
Arnie the good robot has a beer and cheats on Arnie the bad robo
by casino_monkey
Bah! Why? The idea of T3 was sooo cool. I couldn't wait. I heard that there would be a female terminator (Femke Jansen), and I thought cool. Then I heard that Arnie would, "be back", and I thought, well it was good while it lasted. Riddle me this, why would any one create an old robot with droopy muscles(EOD)? They wouldn't! Arnie should stay away! I mean don't get me wrong, I loved the guy in T1 & T2, but that's a far as it goes. Just have a female Terminator. Actual, now I think of it, no J.C, no Linda, prolly not Eddie this can't possible work. Bah! I don't care any more. Do what you want.
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Alien&Aliens=cool, but Alien3=shit. Alien4=shitter. Robocop=cool, but Robocop2=shit. Robocop3=DoMeAFavour!Terminator&Terminator2=cool. Terminator3...it's a sequel too far.
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Jan 25, 2002 10:15:04 PM CST
But... hasnt AICN already read the script of T3?? How do they kn
by shadowrun
There was in AICN a great review of the T3 script. I dont remember who did it. Why are you telling us these kind of things as they were something new for you?
Please, the one who read the T3 script months ago, post something about Arnold's character.
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Jan 25, 2002 10:17:10 PM CST
Have you or havent you... read the T3 script??! I dont understan
by shadowrun
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Well, I don't really like the sound of this either. While I would prefer to see a evil arnold, like the first one, he would never do that. Personally, I think they could make it without him. Anyway, the whole female terminator thing mostly depends on who they cast. Needless to say, a musclebound freak like chyna isn't going to work.
Ultimatly, I think the first terminator was a scifi-action classic. The second was not as good, but still a great action flick and, IMO, brought the story to a good conculsion. I don't think the ending was left open-ended just to make a sequel. One of the main themes of the movies was that the future is not set, as such, any final conculsion would ruin that. I'm glad they didn't use the future coda ending from the T2 DVD.
I never really enjoyed the films for arnold anyway, more for the action scenes, editing, characters, etc. As far as James Cameron goes, I do think he did a great job with the first two movies, however, I don't think him declining this one was so bad mostly because a)he was starting to repeat himself(setup wise) with the second one and b) he finished up his storylines in the second one. A new director would bring a new feel to the movie. Only question is if the director will be any good.
I would like T3 to be good, because I would rather not see the series crash and burn. But, my feeling at this point is that it will suck. Hope I'm wrong. I personally would have liked it if they hadn't bothered with another sequel, but if that is what people want, thats fine. And if it does suck, I've got my T1 and 2 DVD's. Peace out.
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Same make. Same model. He's back with a programming error.
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Jan 25, 2002 10:42:26 PM CST
This iIn Terminator 1, Arnie was bad and the movie was good. In
by village idiot
Sorry, you can put me down as one of those people who thought that Terminator 1 was a tight, clever sci-fi thriller, and Terminator 2 was a special effects extravaganza with spots of bad dialog. In my mind, Terminator 3 has all the promise of Eve of Destruction.
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Yeah what ever happened? I thought that there was going to be a new Conan, with the Wachowski bro's directing. This would be soooo cool! Conan! Conan! Conan! ........Ah, I don't care anymore. Do what you want!
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Arnie should be playing the part of the man (Good Guy) originally used by skynet for the terminator, who helps John Connor, and ends up confronting a TERMINATOR version of himself.
The TERMINATOR thinks he (The Man Arnie) is also a TERMINATOR, to begin with.
Ultimately Arnie the man sacrifices himself to save John and we last see him waking up inside some sort of medical lab inside skynet...
Well, just a thought - I think just a bit more interesting than a glitching robot.
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why would a robot from the future keep looking older? what up with dat? (PS- the glitch idea is kinda funky. even though it will probably end with John making an empassioned speech and the climatic hour to have the terminator kill the chick terminator)
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Seriously, am I the only one who thinks it would be cool if in T3, they have Arnold go back as the bad guy and send a Robert Patrick T-1000 back to protect John? It would be like the ultimate mindfuck. And, to make it even more confusing to John, send back the human version of Arnold to protect John too.
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Jan 26, 2002 12:48:28 AM CST
Gut, Bahd, I'll Be Vatevah You Vant Me To Be. Chust See Mein
by buzz maverik
You know, mein cahreeah ist really in der hole. Dis ist mein last chanz ebah since mein schitcom mit der Dubya Bee fell troo. It vas calt AHNIE. I vas goink to play ein foamah circhus schtronk man who ist foashed to room mit ein she-male, playt by Nathan Lane, und raise ein broot ob multi-rachial kinder.
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i love the terminator films, and although the very idea of another has ticked me off(it was done with T2. arnold is old. no cameron? bah)... this is good news, i like it. i was planning on seeing this out of morbid curiosity anyway(you know you were too), but this helps.
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Maybe he'll be like Catwoman or the nWo (Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Hollywood Hogan, and X-Pac Sux)......he'll be a really good bad guy....or a really bad good buy....get it? That's the way I see it.....a 'tweener'....Stone Cold Steve Austin was that way, too. Notch out.
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Get this.....at the end of T2 arnie has the last remaining chip in his body so he sacrifices himself in hot liquid metal right?
Would that not mean then that there are no more terminators and that the great war does not start and that 'kyle reese' or whatever does NOT GET SENT BACK IN TIME AND GET SARAH CONNER UP THE DUFF SO THAT MEANS JOHN CONNER WOULD ALSO NOT EXIST????!! TIME TRAVEL MOVIES ALWAYS FUCK UP PERIOD! T3 WILL SUCK I PROMISE YOU!
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Jan 26, 2002 3:01:13 AM CST
Are you honestly teeling me that thay are ACTUALLY gonna go thro
by cash bailey
Fuck Arnold. Make KING CONAN or CRUSADE you has-been fuck!
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And I thought it was just an action sci-fi movie triquel. Silly me. It's a serious and thought provoking excursion into the odyssey known as good and evil. Start shining up the Oscar this is the surefire Best Picture for next year! And if Ahnuld doesn't win Best Actor I will detonate a nuclear bomb at the Academy Awards. Seriously I will.
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will it be in your....(wait for it).. RIBCAGE?!?
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They'll never be able to get Arny. Thats right you heard me correctly. OH sure they'll be able to get Arnold to show up thats no problem, but it won't be AHHHNOOOLD and thats who they need. Look folks I am sure that you all realize this but Arnold is not exactly the same man he was 15 years ago. As a matter of fact he is barely whats left of him. People say Arnold's lost his prescence on screen. Ummmm folks Arnold never had any such thing. His biceps did. Now that those have gone the way of the Dodo and Arny's stardom power hes basically finished. OH yeah and as for what that dude mentioned about the Termonator having a bomb in his rib cage ummmmm let me tell ya pal HE ALREADY DOES! Its called his heart! After years of anabolic steroid abuse that shit is a ticking time bomb JUST WAITING TO GO OFF! Ahhh well won't be the first time Arnold will be associated with bombs. HARDLY! :D
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I just thought that somebody had to contribute that. I have nothing useful to say.
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Jan 26, 2002 8:59:58 AM CST
Breakdown showed that Mostow is great at handling action and sus
by paulsc
...but still I can't shake the feeling that this is going to be a disaster anyway. The fact there's still a female terminator in there suggests that they're still working off those apparently diabolical early drafts. Surely what everyone really wants to see is a film that fleshes out the future backstory leading up to and including the terminator war, not yet another rehash of the first film.
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Jan 26, 2002 9:24:02 AM CST
Noooooo, this will be the same like Jurassic Park 3: no story, d
by burp fartman
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Arnold is the only major player returning for this project.
This was Cameron's baby to begin with...if he isn't part of it...it doesn't even make sense.
Arnold looks great for his age, but...I don't buy him as a Terminator cyborg anymore. It just isn't viable.
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If they go through with this, they're going to have to digitally enhance Arnie on every frame to make him look 10-15 years younger.
They'll use old photos of him, scan them into some computer and presto you'll have the 1984 vintage on screen. That -
Do'h!!!
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Arnie plans to play all of the various Terminators in T3.Taking a leaf from the box office gold , that was *junior*.Arnie is going to don a cheap blond wig ,squeeze into a slinky dress and high heels and play the female terminator.You heard it here first.
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Is Jim Cameron involved in T3 at all? If not, then I say fuck the whole project. The only good movies he's ever made have been sci-fi, and there's no reason to believe a Cameron helmed T3 would be any different, even with a droopy old Ahnold.
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will t3 be anywhere near that one? the 1st one in my opinion was good for the time it came out but kinda cheesy! when i was younger i was a HUGE arnie fan (i named my dog after the guy)and i still have interest for his films (collateral damge looks pretty decent)but another termintor film without linda hamilton and james "what the hell have i done since titanic that would keep me from doing another terminator"cameron this will definetly lack alot! the whole story was about sara and john connor and without sara, who of course was the main charcter in both besides arnie this will lack the punch. t-2 was a groundbreaking amazing hit (i don't think anyone expected it to be as big as it was)and only total recall comes near it as arnie's best. while end of days was decent and had it's moments and the 6th day wasn't as good arnie needs a real pick me up just like stallone does (it's funny...arnie is doing another terminator, stallone is rumored for another rambo and hulk hogan is returning to the wwf-hope i didn't spoil anything for any wrestling fans out there but hogan is offical under contract!)it's like a return of the super-hero tough guys from the 80's but who will fail and who will prevail? a female terminator should be expected (even though you saw zero women in the future shots from either terminator which should say something)and arnie going from good to bad sounds kinda lame and probably will get boring fast. i'm excited to see what becomes of this and even though this will NEVER top t2 because the acting seemd so good, the speical effects were ground breaking and robert patrick was a great villan and it was everything you could have wanted from a huge sc-fi/action flick but that seemed to be arnie's last good money making movie (well true lies saved him some face)but sadly i think arnies best days are 10 years behind him and this won't be another hit like t-2 was because like any original groundbreaking film...it's damn hard to top it mainly because you didn't know how special your movie was until it got out there for the public to decide and t-2 was bigger than anyone imagined and sadly t-3 never can top that not even with the entire cast back and cameron as well!
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Why don't they make a third Conan movie? Dino De Laurentiis hasn't done much lately, (that I know of)so why not? Conan the Barbarian was by far Arnold's best movie despite his lack of dialogue. T2 was great but I can't see how they will be able to realistically make another Terminator movie. The plot threads were nicely tied up in T2, so there's no point making another movie. With the success of Fantasy films at the moment, ie FOTR and HP, perhaps it time to see Conan become King by his own hand... Cheers.
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Jan 27, 2002 7:59:07 AM CST
Oh sendintheclones you glorious bastard I'd almost forgotten
by regicidal_maniac
Alec: Um, does anybody know where this came from?
Homer: Oh, there's that movie script I wrote! Where did you find it?
Alec: On my pillow.
Homer: The important thing is, it's got the perfect part for you. Either one of you! It's about a killer robot driving instructor who travels back in time for some reason. Ron Howard's attached to direct!
Ron: I am not!
Homer: Well, he expressed an interest.
Ron: No I didn't!
Homer: Did too!
Ron: I did not!
Homer: You lie!
Alec: Yeah, Homer, um, most movie scripts are 120 pages. This is only seventeen. And several of the pages are just drawings of the time machine.
[holds up one of Homer's drawings; it appears to be a chair with a beach umbrella attached to the back and an alarm clock wired to the side]
Homer: So you're saying you don't want to star in my movie.
Alec: I'm sorry, Homer.
Homer: Well, if Alec is out, I'm out too. You're on your own, Potsie.
Ron: [reading title] "The Terminizor: An Erotic Thriller"?
Kim: Oh, look. Wasn't that a fun weekend?
Alec: Yeah. Homer was a pretty good guy. And we just tossed him out like a Golden Globe award. I've got to admit, I miss the way he used to tuck us in and kiss us on the forehead.
Kim: Forehead?
Alec: Aw, maybe I should've made his movie.
Kim: Yeah, it wasn't that bad. I mean the script might even work if you got rid of the talking pie.
Alec: What, are you crazy? It's a buddy picture. Without the pie, it would just be me on screen for two hours.
Kim: Oh, yeah, and you'd hate that.
Ron: No, no, no, you can't lose the pie! The pie's your heart.
Kim: Okay, okay, keep the damn pie.
One month later, at the 20th Century Fox Film Studios, Ron Howard pitches a movie to executive Brian Grazer, who sits at his desk.
Ron: [emotionally] And it grows, to a powerful, emotional climax when the father has to choose which one of his children will live ... and which one ... will die.
Brian: Pass.
[Ron lets out a sigh]
Brian: What else you got?
Ron: Well, well, there is this one thing. It's about a killer robot driving instructor that travels back in time for some reason.
Brian: I'm listening.
Ron: Okay, okay, well, you see ... this robot, he's got a heartbreaking decision to make about whether his best friend lives ... or dies.
Brian: Ehh.
Ron: His best friend's a talking pie!
Brian: Sold! Howard, you've done it again!
5F19 from the snpp.com files.
Harry Lime: Using the internet as it was originally intended to be used - for the further research of pornography and pipebombs. -
Just a theory - send an Arnie T-800 back to the Victorian Era to wipe out Sarah Conners Great Grandmother. The Cyborg goes haywire due to the peasoup fog in London and decides to kill a load of hookers in East London while staying a step ahead of Mock-Cockney Git Johnny Depp. Hence all the rumours that Jack the Ripper was of Mainland European descent.
No? Bollocks to you then. This film is going to be the crowning turd in the waterpipe - there's nowhere to go with the story. Female Terminator? Yeah alright, but you know the studios will stick their oar in and shag something up somewhere in the name of box office returns.
But I think they should have a slow motion shot of Arnie running toward the camera being chased by..oh right, someone's said that. That did make me chuckle.
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Okay, so terminator was a pretty big thing, and still is.
But what about the film that made Arnold a star? Conan was and still is a badass film. Now, me being the swordsman that I am, and not in fencing (that's for FAGS!) I should be in Conan 3. If only milius would contact me :( just the same - WHERE THE HELL IS SUBOTAI????????
SUBOTAI had to be one of the greatest sidekicks I've ever seen in a film. He wasn't an idiot like MALIK in Conan the Destroyer. He was a badass character.
I'VE READ THE CONAN SCRIPT. I can tell you it gets pretty political with betrayal left and right.
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I was recently talking with someone very close to the T3 project, and was informed that their was more to what Arnold had said on EW. Arnold quotes that he will be both bad and good during the movie. If you where good enough to catch on to this. You can kind of figure it out. if you dont want the spoiler dont read on. OK here it is. What i was told was that the first Terminator from the 1984 movie and the second from Terminator-2, are two seperate T-800's. Both these T-800's will face off one protecting John Conner and one out to destroy him in T-3!!!!
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Jan 27, 2002 5:46:21 PM CST
"...a shot of Arnold running toward the camera in slow motion, d
by sendintheclones
100 NAKED FEMALE TERMINATORS WEARING BICYCLE HELMETS. No, um, wait that's been done too...
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Jan 27, 2002 10:05:34 PM CST
I want to ask you a bunch of questions, and i want to have them
by thatgreenjesus
Who is your daddy, and what does he do?
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Jan 28, 2002 1:05:18 AM CST
Eebil Doah Und Time Trippah, I'm Shoah Bozz Mahvrik Vould Sa
by buzz maverik
...he is verukt. I got tihud ob him alvays makink fon ob me, so I trocked him down. Now, zane people ah intimidahated by me bot dis guy ist crazy zo he schquares opp on me und says ib Michale Ihunzide could do id in TOTAL RECALL, he could do id. I'be god to admitt, dat fihust shot he took closed der gap in mein teeth. Den, I god him by der neck und schtarted to schtrankle him. Und vat did he do? Un imitatshun ob mein haht attag! I schtarted to loff (eben dough he ischn't fonny) und I drobbed him. Dat's when he did ein very unfahair ting und kicked me in mein strudel! Aftah dat, I fihred der ex-cobs on mein suhcurhity team und hihuh ein bonch ob Israelis. Cobs ah lazy!
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No great script,No Jim Cameron,No Stan Winston Studio,No Movie.No body in line....
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Movie starts with Arnold's human character getting killed off early in the movie, but only after we learn that he *nearly* defeats the robot army. To defeat the morale of these feisty human soldiers who rally around Arnold's martyrdom, Terminators in Arnold's likeness are created and unleashed.
One Terminator (one of the first - less perfected models), however, is captured and reprogrammed by John Connor. A female soldier, Arnold's love interest before his "Human" self was killed, becomes attached to this mechanized reproduction and struggles to come to grips with the loss of the her REAL love - while at the same time feels hate/love/??? towards this cold yet lifelike "reproduction".
Robot Arnold slowly warms by the end of the movie (yes, there will be a kissing scene - but it's more for his "love" interest to make closure with her deceased love) - warming as he does by the end of T2 (minor hints of emotion), and completes the mission his human counterpart which he is based almost did at the start of the film - defeating the robot army!
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He learns to feel, there's a touching moment with the humans, then he dies going into a vat of molten lava or something. 'Cause he's got badness in him, so he's got to die, even though we love him, just like our absent father. Oh, well. Go for it Arnie.
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All I want to see now is a Terminator movie set in the future where the humans are at war with the machines... set up like a good ol' World War 2 movie.
Then end it like in the notes from the T2 laserdisk where they finally break inside and start sending the good reprogrammed terminators back in time.
Have a scene (even if they have to CG it) where Kyle and John say "goodbye..." and when Kyle is gone, John says: "...dad."
He then steps out and looks over the charred wasteland knowing that they've won.
Sure, kind of cheesy, but all I want is more of those future battle scenes from T1 and T2.
(Can we say budget from hell?)
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It'll look like Terminator. It'll even sound like Terminator... but it just wont be Terminator.
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Wish Cameron were involved.
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