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Nick Gillard says a couple of things of interest about EPISODE 2
Hey folks, Harry here with a brief tidbit from Jimmy Glick, who had the opportunity to chat briefly with God of the Blade, Nick Gillard last night. Nothing much here we didn't know... but tis still cool. I think...
Hey Harry,
Just thought you might be interested in this nugget about the next Star Wars:
I interviewed Nick Gillard last night, who you might know as the Stunt Co-ordinator on Episode II (as well as The Phantom Menace).
I told him that the best bit about The Phantom Menace was the lightsabre duel at the end and then asked what we can expect that's even better this time around. He confirmed that rather than just a duel, there are a hundred Jedis all fighting at the same time (which I don't know whether you already knew?) and then I said who was fighting who - and he sort of fumbled his answer (which means what, I don't know).
And don't worry, Hayden Christensen more than lives up to his character: Gillard said that by the end of the shoot, he fought some professional swordsman and apparently, Christensen came out on top?! (which bodes well for the fight scenes).
Anyway, hope this is of some use - if any of your readers want to check out exactly what he said, it should be on The Movie Chart Show on Channel Five in the United Kingdom, next Wednesday 30th January, at 7p.m.
Yours, Jiminy Glick
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it's doomed to fail!
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I think the idea of hundred jedis in thre prime fighting in a battle sounds cool. In theory, though when Luca$ in through it'll be stupid.
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In Phantom Menace there was the cool double ended light sabre, in Attack of the Clones theres going to be this awesome every-Jedi-for-himself battle... then what? For Episode 3, they're going to have to out do them selves again and pull every CGI trick out of the bag to make it the most jaw dropping.So then after THAT you watch 'A New Hope', many an ass will have fallen off at how lame its duels look in comparison.My point? Stop trying to out do yourselves and brag about specific snazzy scenes and just MAKE A FILM
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Doomed to fail? I don't think so. This looks and sounds a whole lot better than TPM, the darker story should help it a lot. I hope that Lucas has learnt his lesson after TPM because if it all turns to shit, it will be a great shame.
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Regardless of what has or may yet become of the beloved?! Star Wars franchise, Episode 2 should provide geeks, fanboys, and film lovers with lots of ammunition for future talk-backs. I for one think that the internet has kind of spoiled the excitement surrounding movies though. Anyone with net access can know everything there is to know about a film months before it hits theatres. The element of surprise has left the movies, and I think that, above all else is the major problem with film nowadays. That said, hundreds of Jedi dueling it out sounds fun, just as long as it doesn't feel like overkill. I have also resolved to no longer criticize Star Wars. All my waking life Star Wars has been in existence, and it is one of the major reasons I grew to love film in the first place....I'm just going to have fun with it....you guys can do whatever you want.
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I'm going to have fun with it as I did with TPM. And since this is a Star Wars story I guess we can expect the LOTR talkbackers in here any second ripping the film to pieces. I'm sure they wait to see STAR WARS on the main page so they can write some message that they believe is so clever about how Star Wars is dead, even though the last one made a billion dollars. Yup dead alright.
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There are a other duels besides this one big one. SPOILER FOR ANYONE WHO CARES Darth Saruman the White fights 3 people in the movie. Plus the Jango/Obi-Wan rain fight
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All bitterness aside, would't you all love it if this movie were just fantastic?
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Jan 25, 2002 3:18:14 AM CST
Anakin has a beer and cheets on Amadalia. George Luca$ jumps ove
by casino_monkey
*pfft* episode II
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Jan 25, 2002 3:25:03 AM CST
From what I have seen so far, Hayden can fight, but..
by aronld scazziger
...he can't act. Now we have to decide If we can live with that or not. Bash him? Love him? I dunno. So...anybody?
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A few years ago I would have been excited about news like this and I wish I still could be! As a kid me and my brother would watch ANH over and over in our massive, silver vcr until you could see through the tape from wear. The same happened with Empire and then again with ROTJ. One can only imagine how excited I was going in to see TPM for the first time, some twenty years after the original star wars started to dominate my life. One could ALSO only imagine the dissapointment I felt walking away from the cinema. "It wasn't THAT bad", me and my friends would try to convince ourselves. I even went back another 2 times to give it another chance to fucking hit me how I wanted to be hit.. no success. Now I REALLY want EpII to be great, nothing would please me more, I'm just not gonna get excited about it. When something that was so important to you as a kid gets butchered like that, it's hard to get the Bad Taste out of your mouth. And of course it will make a bucket load of money, but so do the Pokemon movies.
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Yeah I agree it's pretty wooden, but then I think that he was nominated for a Golden Globe and an Oscar nod may be in his future so I'm definately not going to judge him until I've seen his performance as a whole.
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Jan 25, 2002 3:47:31 AM CST
Obi-Wan head-butting Jango Fett. Funniest thing I've ever se
by cash bailey
And that yound Boba looks like a "Yipeee" yelling little turd, too.
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Jan 25, 2002 3:47:44 AM CST
Of course we want this movie to be good - And on lightsaber figh
by robin goodfellow
But many times even the geekiest of us fanboys never get what we want. Can George deliver? Maybe. Good luck to him, there's a lot riding on this movie for the success of his franchise. As for the lightsaber fights, hell, I dig 'em, but it'll be odd to see how they can explain the shift in fighting styles from Ep. 1-3 and Ep. 4-6. For Obi-Wan, he gets old and conservative come "A New Hope." Luke never gets the full Jedi training, spin my blade, slice people's heads off like a mean mo-fo treatment so at least that accounts for his lack of grace. But what about Anakin/Vader? If he's bound to be a great lightsaber wielding bugger in the prequels, what stunts his style and grace come the original trilogy? Anyways, my preference for lightsabers fights, though I dig the fast paced choreography of the new trilogy thus far, would be akin to the sword fights from "Yojimbo" and "Sanjuro": quick, efficient, and elegant samurai swordplay. Hell, makes sense to me. If you're a trained swordsman, why not dispatch your enemy as quick as possible expending as little energy as possible. Anyways, still dig them fights. Goodnight unto you all
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i just hope it there are so many "getting paid 75 dollars a day extras" there just going through some lame motions given to them by some directors lackey...you know what i mean....buncha guys running in circles and back and forth to create the illusion of some real action...if this is the case... please have Mr. T or hulk hogan in the next one
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see you in line on may 16th! dont forget to pre-order your tickets! this movie will be cool! you guys are so funny!hahaha
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Jan 25, 2002 4:04:50 AM CST
i hope you all realize that every ticket sold is another conferm
by i won't see aotc
show a little restraint. don't see a movie that's stupid just because it has some cool looking stuff in it. that's why so many movies are so stupid. help to fix this by not letting them insult you're intelligence like they did with TPM. we can bitch all we want but if we keep on giving them money, they'll keep on making movies with stupid plots. i'm bitter that i spent money seeing TPM but i'm never giving them another cent.
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you've all seen the trailer. it's gonna be a vapid chick-flick.
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...and I hate to bring this up (especially if someone's made this joke already), but do you think some of the new footage for the original trilogy that was shot by George may have some other well known (then contemporary) pop stars spliced in? Can you picture a new scene in the Mos Eisley cantina in "A New Hope" where the old band of aliens is replaced by rock superstars KISS (in full make-up, of course)? And maybe, just maybe, the Sarlacc pit in the new and improved "Return of the Jedi" is now digitally altered to resemble Gene Simmons' gaping wide mouth and ravenous tongue. Just a frightening thought. Goodnight unto you all
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Jan 25, 2002 4:18:43 AM CST
hello? anybody out there who is looking forward to seeing this m
by pparker
this is a very sad talkback. bashing here, bashing there, bashing everywhere. nobody seems to be excited that we will get a new star wars movie in may, just because of the disappointment that was TPM. and to those people insulting george lucas: go fuck yourself!
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Jan 25, 2002 4:26:09 AM CST
"i hope you all realize that every ticket sold is another confer
by darthflagg
TPM was flawed in many ways, but the basic plot was fine. Go watch Godzilla if you want mindless "fun".
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on may 16th! see you in line! you want to tell us that you spend hours of your life bashing this movie, but you wont see the movie itself?????
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I dunno man, you've seen the trailers: it's not all romantic stuff. Besides, ever since the OT, you knew that somewhere along the line, Anakin'd have to get somebody knocked up in order to have Luke and Leia. I mean, did you really think it would be a quickie in the back of a dodgy space bar, a few seconds max, so we could get back to the business of all the cool shit blowing up? I was actually looking forward to seeing some of the relationship stuff. You know, character development. The romantic interplay between Han and Leia, with all of it's performative and emotional subtleties, is actually one of the things I enjoyed most about ESB. Basically, when it comes to romance, well... don't knock it 'till you try it (hee hee!)
On another matter, I've been thinking about something I saw on Dark Horizons a week or two ago. As I recall, the story was something about Gabriel Byrne and Cuba Gooding Jr. both being approached for parts in Ep. III. Now, given that Lucas and Gurland take appearances strongly into account (for continuities sake) in the casting, I got to thinking who they'd be playing. At first I thought Byrne might be playing a young, cloney emperor (note the resemblance), but news that McDiarmid would be in Ep. III shot that theory down, didn't it? As for Gooding Jr.? I thought perhaps a young Lando Calrissian. And IF he was Lando, that might point to.. well, connect the dots?
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And there were those sad sacks waiting for Star Wars. They looked pretty miserable. The weather here hasn't been kind lately. Sadly, I'm never dedicated enough to get into the Cinerama for first shows; you have to be in line for days, and I mean literally. Last time, people pitched tents in the parking lot. I'm pretty damned excited about this movie, but I'm not resorting to camping. As for those of you complaining about the "chick film" aspects, you bitched that the last one had no character development. This just proves my contention that many of you decided to hate this trilogy months before "Phantom" came out.
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The only interesting things you could say about Episode 2: 1. It's not coming out because everyone is so bored of this Star Wars nonsense. 2. Confirmation that it's as crap as we all know it's going to be. If Lucas had any balls he's have made Robert Carlyle Anakin...And if that Obi Wan comes rawn here he'll get a pool cue in his pus and no mistake...
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Delam! lol went to hoso, sounds not bad. seen you and time for the bell! heh heh hope they dont for lucas to jump all around like the monkey! all of them. for the oscars i see happy rain! heh heh when thats happen you silly for monkey. i like that. heh heh. only when that before. but im knowing and watching! onto you monkey! dance! heh heh oh now you say? you to bet!
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To anyone wondering whether the OT fights will live up to the newly filmed fights, Lucas has already stated that he is changing the fights in the original trilogy, using CGI to bring them in line with the "films" he is currently making. He is using digital technology to recreate each scene so that the new generation of PS2 addicted X-BOXers who don't give a rat's arse about story can ooh and ahh at the way Luke spins his blade and how that energetic old dude ObiWan runs up and down the walls before finally getting killed by Vader. Never mind about writing the new films to match the previously existing ones. Nahh that'd be too creative, it'd require too much thought. As I've said before Lucas just wants to knock these films out as quickly as he can which is why he devotes so little attention to the most important part of the process: the actual writing of a coherent screen story. When you see the old films in the context with the new ones they will match the new technology regardless of what that does to these great characters we loved, regardless of what it does to the way they were portrayed by the actors who originated them. Fuck character motivation eh George, you just make sure those action figures are on model buddy. Wouldn't want the merchandise to be less than perfect. Then they'd match the films.
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I love Star Wars but Yoda fighting and swinging his lightsaber is gonna look VERY stupid!!
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I'm still curious why Amidala is named Padme in the movie. Let me put it this way... If I were a negotiator and I went to, say, England to negotiate a trade blockade, I would damn well know that Queen Elizabeth II is named Elizabeth Windsor. Now if I went to New York city with an ambassador of the queen, (Who is really the queen.) she would NEVER, I repeat NEVER tell me her name was Elizabeth. She would tell me her name was JANE or MARY, in fact anything but Elizabeth. She wouldn't do it if she was really trying to hide her identity. So why the hell is her name Padme in AOTC? I mean, the whole first movie, I'm thinking, cool a fake name. She's hiding. Cute. THEN this new movie is coming out and the name "Padme" is all over it.
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People who constantly trash TPM have, in my opinion, completely missed the point. When you've already seen the final three installments of a TV show, movie series, or whatever, and then go back and watch the first episode WITHOUT HAVING SEEN THE SECOND TWO you are bound to notice a striking difference in how the story is told. The only way I will respect the opinion of a TPM basher is if that person waits until all six films have been released. It that person stil feels that TPM is not a logical first chapter in an incresingly dark saga, then I MIGHT give them a chance. When have you read a book when the first chapter, when all the characters are being introduced and the setting is being established, all those characters die in some horribly violent, Fincher-esque bloodbath? All I'm saying is that in order to fairly judge a book you need to READ THE WHOLE THING. Granted, TPM was not the best movie ever made, and as a stand-alone story it really is quite awful, but that's not what it is, that's not what it was ever supposed to be. Lighten the hell up.
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...doesn't really matter in the hands of the wrong direction. Remember Ewan and Liam's "wooden" stylings in Ep 1? We all know they both have the ability, but I don't know, I guess it was directed to be "wooden" in that film. Remember, as another poster offered earlier, he was nominated, rightfully for Life as a House at the GG's. As for the upcoming Ep.2? I have to admit that I'm not looking forward to it as much. I can enjoy a film with flaws as much as any another person (as EVERY film has them). BUT, when those flaws are so much that I find myself distracted from enjoyment of the film, that's when I stop making excuses for the film. If it sucks, it sucks. There shouldn't be any need to make excuses for a film. "Yeah Jar Jar sucked but, yeah Jake Loyd sucked but, yeah the story was weak, but..." Strangely enough, I'm glad there are fans who will like this film no matter what. More power to you. I wish I could overlook as much. I like liking movies. I guess I'm just a little bit more critical.
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I know I'll be accused of being a LOTR lover/SW hater, but I just have to reply: FOTR IS a good movie on it's own, despite being only the first installment in the series AND having a cliffhanger ending, so was ESB. Being part of series is no excuse for being a bad movie.
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He may not be able to act but he's really good at whining and throwing things, which we all know are the requisite abilities for a Jedi.
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I am looking foward to this movie...
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Thanks dude. I'm a huge LOTR fan myself and have read the Hobbit and Rings and love them both. I'm definately a bigger SW fan, but LOTR Is right up there.
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I think the fight scene at the end sounds pretty rockin', but I'm still debating as to whether or not I should see it, considering the awful title and the vomit-inducing cameo by N'Stync.
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It's ridiculous to say that one can't criticize TPM until all the movies are out. It is entirely possible to criticize a movie on its own merit, even if it's part of a trilogy. Take some of the most frequent digs at TPM, for example: Jar Jar. Fart jokes. Jake Lloyd. Boss Nass. "Annie." "Yippee." "I don't care what galaxy you're from, that's GOTTA hurt!" Now, you may or may not have problems with any of these things. They may not ruin the movie for you, as they have for many fans. However, explain to me how ANY of them could get better or worse based on what happens in the next two movies? No one's going to walk out of Episode III saying, "Oh, I get it, Jar Jar farted so much because he was under the spell of the dark side!" or "Ahhh, that two-headed Vin Scully spacecaster was like that because he was from the future!" I think TPM sucked. You may not. But I doubt very much that episodes II and II are going to change either of our minds.
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I did not say that because Episode II and III will (probably) be good, all of the dumb jokes in TPM (of which there were many) will cease to be stupid. What I meant was that TPM will be a much more interesting story once the whole trilogy is out. Lucas has said that AOTC will be much darker and that Episode III "will not be happy by any stretch of the imagination." I think that when we can the whole trilogy in succession, a lot of the more lighthearted moments in TPM will take on a new air of irony. This does not mean that Anakin yelling "yippee!" will stop making my skin crawl, or that Jar Jar's incessant "okie-days" will be less obnoxious. It just means that we might think, "Wow, if Jar Jar had known that the rest of his people were going to be wiped out (speculation), he might have acted less like an ass." In my opinion, a movie that has many flaws will not lose those flaws when viewed the way it was intended (with two more films following), just that those flaws will take on a new meaning.
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Unfortunatly EP2 will have 2 more hours to fill, and it won't all be about fighting.
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This is the first time I have issued a talk back. Why? Because I never thought I had anything to offer, I'm a middle-aged dad of three, struggling in this day-to-day world just as countless others do. I enjoy this site because it helps me remember and embrace the wonderment of film and the world of movies. I grew up with Star Wars, I was seventeen when I saw it. It changed my life forever, just like it changed many of your lives. It opened my eyes to mythic storytelling, it led me to Tolkien, Edgar Rice Burroughs, Ray Harryhausen, Star Trek, Planet of the Apes, Doc Savage, and Comics. All of those wonderful pop culture icons that we genre fans hold dear to us. Excuse me ...off the subject. Why the talkback...like I said I thought I had nothing to offer....well I have changed my mind...
I have discovered that it really doesn't take much to consider yourself a talkback master.
First...the most important thing is to be the first talkbacker to post a message. Second, you must prove that you can use the filthiest language you can to get your point across, it really puts the emphasis on your intellect. Third, you have to pick a side...Star Wars...or Lord of the Rings, and convince everyone (with as many expletives as possible) why your chosen films are the best. And fourth, you must forget what it was like to see a film twenty-five years ago when you still had a sense of wonder. Take a child to see The Phantom Menace...that's who these films were made for, take a child...and sit in the theater and watch the wonder...not what is up on the screen, watch the wonder on the kids' face. My kids have watched the Phantom Menace DVD as many times as all of our Disney Videos combined. Thank God Lucas didn't make these films with a 1990's sensability...he stuck to his original conceptions and ideologies...I keep hearing that people hate the title "Attack of the Clones"...is it any different then "The Empire Strikes Back"? C'mon they are both old school serial titles..."Return of the Jedi"? "A New Hope" They sound like they came out of a Flash Gordon serial...and hey...guess what..THEY ARE SUPPOSE TOO. Look if you guys need something to gripe about ...gripe about my punctuation and spelling,...but hey, let's at least try to move on. -
Jan 25, 2002 2:40:11 PM CST
Hayden, Hugh Jackman and judging whole performances by trailers
by terminal
When will the people bashing Hayden for a few seconds of uninspiring footage.I distinctly remember tonnes of big mouthed idiots saying that Hugh Jackman would be terrible as Wolverine, because they saw a few seconds of trailer footage where he speaks softly to Rougue and Storm.They also ran their mouths off about how wolverine is supposed to sound like a gruff cartoon, so Jackman must be crap.Then they watched the film and shut their mouths.Watch the film, before being critical of the performance.
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Children possess a sense of wonder for exactly one reason; lack of experience. Something which is new to them invariably garners their attention for a time. As we age however, we tend to see nothing but variations of the same, slight improvements over time. It is then, as our minds develop and we begin to be attracted to more than bright colors and loud noises, that we beging to appreciate things in new ways. In regards to cinema, we begin to take notice of things like the cinematography, story, script, and direction. Wonder is easy to inspire in the young, the smallest Fourth of July parade seems a grand procession to them and the littlest travelling carnival a grand circus.
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Jan 25, 2002 3:21:13 PM CST
I originally posted this under the "Attack of the Clones Documen
by sod off baldric
...but I think it bears repeating here. *ahem* "Why can't we just put our differences aside and stop this senseless war that is waging between fans of Star Wars and fans of Lord of the Rings?!?! Allow me to let you in on a little secret...IT IS OKAY FOR YOU TO LIKE BOTH FRANCHISES!!!! If you are so inclined you can enjoy Star Wars just as much as you enjoy Lord of the Rings and vice versa. I don't understand the animosity that fans of one series are showing toward fans of the others. Let me use myself as an example...I love Star Trek, right? Apparently that means I can't enjoy Babylon 5 and/or Farscape. Well, I'm sorry to disappoint you but I happen to enjoy ALL THREE SHOWS. What a concept!!! Another example; I love Marvel Comics...so that must mean I loathe DC Comics, right? WRONG! Both companies put out comics I really like. Now...can we all just chill out and realize that there is room in our hearts/minds for more than one film series/television show/comic book company/type of music/etc? Sorry for the rant, but all this fighting between my fellow geeks upsets me. Come on guys...just this once, can't we have a good Christmas *sob*!!!!
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Look, it's completely amazing to me that people can't stop being nasty when it comes to talking about TPM.---------------------Fest-he was making a point of what Lucas was attempting to do with the movie, and weather or not he succeded. Lucas inted it to be a childs adventure story, and that included putting in the "childish---------------------------------------------------------RD13, just keep on writing what you feel like. Especially keep your dingified approach to the debate, we need more people like you. --------------------------------------------------------------------DEGAN:And any one that went to see the movie three times to figure out weather or not he/she seems to be a bit obsessive. Why didn't you wait until the VCR version came out? I think that a part of you actually liked a lot of The Phantom Menance, but was annoyed by the childishness of it.
---------------Mr. Anderson, although I agree with your setiments on how TPM was set up-the argument about waiting for the other movies is a weak one. The movie must stand on it's own-Lord of the Ring did that very well-except for the people who didn't realize there were two more movies coming out! Ah well.-----------------For the record, I liked The Phantom Menance, liked the Fellowship of the Ring -
Jan 25, 2002 6:33:19 PM CST
Hayden Beat Professional Swordsmen? Who The Hell Is A Profession
by buzz maverik
Who'd he fight? D'Artagnian? Conan the Barbarian? Ron Jeremy?
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Jan 25, 2002 6:40:52 PM CST
As For Whom The Jedi Are Up Against In The Big Fight Scene, Let&
by buzz maverik
Lead by Yoda, Anakin and the other Jedi form a defensive triangle. Dozens of lightsabres ignite at once. YODA:"Dreadful they are. Sucks their music does. Boy bands they are called!" ANAKIN:"Master, I have a bad feeling about this." MACE WINDU:"Trust your feelings, young padawan. These bands are the worst thing to happen to music since disco. Myself, I'm into funkadelic." OBI WAN: "Late '70s punk for me!" YODA:"Polkas I like." ANAKIN:"Yeah. Besides, Padme has their posters all over her bedroom walls. Try getting busy with their smooth, sexually non-threatening faces smiling down at you." OBI WAN:"How would we know about that? There's only one girl in this galaxy at a time and you've got her!" YODA:"Your mouths shut up. Here they come..." The battle is joined. Before the Jedi can sink their lightsabres into their foes, N'Sync and the Backstreet Boys and 98 Degrees all start singing at once. The Jedi drop their sabres and cover their ears in pain and horror...
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INT. PADME'S CHAMBER -- NIGHT. Padme enters, tired from a day in the Senate. She throws down her keys, gets a diet Bantha soda out of the fridge and listens to the messages on her answering machine:"Padme, this is Anakin. I was wondering if I could have your stunt double's number--BEEP--Uh, your highness, Obi Wan here. Did your stunt double say anything about me?--BEEP--Thissa Jar Jar Binks. Could yousa ask yousa stunt double if she'd go out with meesa?--BEEP--Yoda this is. A bodacious butt your stunt double has--BEEP!"
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Jan 26, 2002 1:26:20 AM CST
rd13, I agree with you 100%,...kojiro and Festering Boil, go FUC
by joey stylez
Seriously, both of you geeks can go fuck off. Where the hell do you come off attacking rd13 for posting what he belives in? He was right on point and you candy asses get all uptight b/c he nailed you perfectly. Go back to jerking off to Anna Kornikova pictures and bitching about the "failure" of recent Star wArs films, try getting out into the real world outside of your effciency and taking some responbility, then you can understand the greatness and scope of what Lucas has accomplished. rd13, as a father of 2 I applaud you for taking care of 3, and for being a true SW fan. On behalf of the talkbackers here who are intelligent and mature, I welcome you to AICN and hope you continue posting. Don't let a couple dairy queens deter you from doing so. TPM had flaws but it was still a great movie. You know what really bothers you TPM haters so much?(other than the fact that you're mostly virgins who wouldn't know the smell of pussy if it bumped right into you,like kojiro and Festering DumbAss) Your opinion of the film is a very small one. MILLIONS of people loved the film. Why else would it set sales records twice, with the VHS release and then with the DVD release? Can you explain that one, crackheads? Final note...I can't believe that so many of you are not excited about a massive Jedi duel. You all really have died inside. You know what? Don't bother seeing the fucking movie, don't bother fucking commenting about SW ever again. Watch your Memento DVD over and over and don't soil the greatness of Star Wars with your ignorant viewpoints. WE DON'T FUCKING NEED YA! As always, my opinion is the truth.
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Jan 26, 2002 1:26:41 AM CST
rd13, I agree with you 100%,...kojiro and Festering Boil, go FUC
by joey stylez
Seriously, both of you geeks can go fuck off. Where the hell do you come off attacking rd13 for posting what he belives in? He was right on point and you candy asses get all uptight b/c he nailed you perfectly. Go back to jerking off to Anna Kornikova pictures and bitching about the "failure" of recent Star wArs films, try getting out into the real world outside of your effciency and taking some responbility, then you can understand the greatness and scope of what Lucas has accomplished. rd13, as a father of 2 I applaud you for taking care of 3, and for being a true SW fan. On behalf of the talkbackers here who are intelligent and mature, I welcome you to AICN and hope you continue posting. Don't let a couple dairy queens deter you from doing so. TPM had flaws but it was still a great movie. You know what really bothers you TPM haters so much?(other than the fact that you're mostly virgins who wouldn't know the smell of pussy if it bumped right into you,like kojiro and Festering DumbAss) Your opinion of the film is a very small one. MILLIONS of people loved the film. Why else would it set sales records twice, with the VHS release and then with the DVD release? Can you explain that one, crackheads? Final note...I can't believe that so many of you are not excited about a massive Jedi duel. You all really have died inside. You know what? Don't bother seeing the fucking movie, don't bother fucking commenting about SW ever again. Watch your Memento DVD over and over and don't soil the greatness of Star Wars with your ignorant viewpoints. WE DON'T FUCKING NEED YA! As always, my opinion is the truth.
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I don't know what I could say I haven't said before especially in my last rant back in the N'sync talkback that was half the length of the page and I got about a hundred emails about. As many of you know Star Wars has been a huge part of my life for 25 years but The Phantom Menace disillusioned me in a big way. I really think Lucas no longer has greatness in them. He's forgotten about the things that made the original trilogy great. Heroism, friendship, the conflict of good versus Evil. REAL evil. Not Darth Maul who never did anything except stand around and act cool. Lucas seems to only have two things on his mind, pleasing his kids and making money, he's no longer the rebel indie filmmaker out to make great movies. I agree those who say Lucas has a right to do what ever he wants. However the fans have a right to be pissed about it too. After all if he indeed doesn't owe us anything, we don't owe him anything. I'm glad he created the original Holy Trilogy however I've paid him back for it a 1000-fold with the videos, toys, books, games etc. Some say you can't citizen his work and say it's not right since he is the ultimate judge as to what is Star Wars. In the legal and literal sense it's true that Star Wars is whatever he says it is since he created. However that doesn't mean he's not open to the same sort of criticism as every other filmmaker. As to saying what is and what isn't Star Wars, it's just a fan saying that based on what came before something doesn't fit. (Try to picture Han Solo and Jar Jar in the same movie) It's an opinion and everyone has a right to state their opinion. I have no hope that AOTC or E3 will be great. I'm just hoping they will be substantially better then the poorly constructed TPM. I do know the action scenes will be impressive. However while everyone of us agrees the highlight of TPM was the saber duel at the end if you really think about it there was no real point to it other to get Qui-Gon Killed so Obi-Wan would have to train Anakin. It was as if, "we are Jedi, You are Sith, WE MUST FIGHT!" Maul wasn't going after the queen. By fighting him they weren't protecting anyone, or saving anyone. All it did is get Qui-Gon killed. Same thing with the Pod Race. All he was racing for where some spare parts and his freedom. Not freedom from the harsh horrible life of true slavery (Lucas didn't have the balls) just freedom from a rather comfortable life of an indentured servant. Everything important in the movie was just a set-up for Episode 2 with out any interesting conflict to make it stand on it's own. Without that it's just a average kiddie flick. All the pertinent info could have been covered in a 20-min prologue. I think AOTC will be better but it still won't be anything approaching the approaching, not even close to ROJ. It'll just be an watchable movie with cool action and great effects but little more. I know I'll get bitched at but thank God for Lord of the Rings. It makes me feel the way the original trilogy does and TPM should have.
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If you think I'm pulling stories out of my arse then refute my story with facts otherwise go back to blowing George Lucas look-a-likes pin-head. Just you wait until you see what Lucas has done to the films we used to love in when he re-releases them in 2005.
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You bash Festering and kojiro for their supposable bashing of TPM-lovers and then you bash all of TPM's detractors with an insanely stupid generalization. Why don't you stick to defending the film and leave the personal attacks and trolling out if it? Worse yet can't you respect the opinions of others? Are you afraid they're right? I AM a true die-hard Star Wars fan. Have been for 25 years, since before most of you all where born. I have a Star Wars collection that would probably make you envious as hell. I tried hard for three years to love TPM but it's just a poorly constructed film. Oh and how much the film made at the BO means precisely dick when it comes to quality. Jurassic Park 2 and Independence Day are both in the top ten highest grossing films of all time and both made nearly as much as TPM. Doesn't mean they're good. It doesn't take much to please the brain-dead masses. TPM made MORE because of it's Star Wars brand and because people like myself saw it multiple times trying to like it. Lucas is only out to please his kids and the masses. He wants to make as much money as possible. That's it. I wasn't going to go into this again but with you bashing anyone who doesn't love TPM (the shut-in, virgin geek generalization is old and very childish and shows your mentality, guess it explains why you love TPM eh). (BTW sorry if this is overlong and covers the same ground a did a week or so ago, I just felt the need to go over it again with TPM lovers claiming those who don't like TPM have no merit.) SO lets get to my analysis shall we? The lightsaber duels are awesome. The Effects are terrific. Qui-Gon Jinn is a very cool character. The podrace is cool (although it's marred by the cheesy cartoon podracers and the stupid cartoon ESPN voiced announcers.) Lucas told us TPM would be a lot like ANH. It's nothing like it. First off we have so-called bad guys but when do they do anything evil? Sure they take over Naboo and Maul goes after the Queen but to what evil end? Palpatine becoming Chancellor of a republic that is falling apart? This is sneaky yes but not particularly evil. At this point for all we know he could have had good reason. There some trivial talk of people dying and suffering but we don't see any of it. Maul never strangles anyone. No planets are destroyed. No civilians are killed... Also with Darth Maul.... Yeah he looks freaky enough but he never does anything evil. Even as much as him killing Qui_Gon with a cheap shot pissed me off I couldn't classify it as evil since it was a fair fight more or less. All Maul ever really did besides the duel is mug for the camera and act cool. I mean look how many people where not upset over Qui-Gon's death (although I was) but they where over Darth Maul's. I mean when I was a kid and we played Star Wars no one was like "I wanna be Darth Vader!" Every boy wanted to be Han or Luke. In ANH the Empire commits one evil act after another making us hate them. First we see stormies board Tantive IV and kill a bunch of Rebel Troops. Then Vader strangles Captain Antilles to death. Meanwhile on Tatooine stormtroopers slaughter innocent Jawas and kill Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. Then Vader tortures Leia and Tarkin blows up Alderaan killing millions (perhaps even billions). By this point in the film whether viewer hate Vader and the Empire just as much as Luke and Leia. Then of course in ESB Vader tortures Han and Leia and slices off Luke's Arm. In ROJ Vader and the Emperor have a strong presence of evil in the final confrontation with Luke. I especially love Palpy telling Luke his friends will now die and laughing and also when Vader threatens to turn Leia to the Darkside. Those parts send chills down my spine. In TPM we have the Neimoidians. They're not evil. Just bumbling fools. They're too audaciously stupid to be evil. And instead of making the battle droids scary he just makes them stupid. "Roger Roger!". Darth Siddious is controlling them but to what end? To get control of the planet and get Palpy (himself) elected Chancellor? Where is the evil in that? I mean after all the republic is "not what it once was". Just saying he's a Sith isn't enough. I mean if someone was watching the films for the first time in chronological order a "Sith" would be meaningless.
Also I mean sure Naboo is taken over, so what? We do hear some vague talk about the people dying (but that's a ploy to get the Queen to reveal her location.) Then Amidala talks about her people dying and their way of life being threatened but I don't see it. We don't see ANY Naboo suffer. For all we know they where just sitting having tea and cookies during the whole thing. In fact except for a few Naboo soldiers and pilots, Qui-Gon and Darth Maul... We see no one else die in TPM. We see no Gungans die in the battle, heck even in ROJ some Ewoks got killed. Other then Obi-Wan killing Maul when did any of the heroes do anything heroic? Jar Jar just acts like an idiot in the final battle and Anakin acts like a kid playing a videogame. Neither do any good acts on purpose in the final battle. Well I guess Anakin DOES take out the two Droidekas on purpose but getting into the battle and blowing up the droid control ship are all accidents. Imagine if Luke had blown up the Death Star by accident. It would have sucked.Qui-Gon's death wasn't heroic. It was a fair fight. He wasn't protecting anyone, he wasn't saving anyone so really he died for nothing. In ANH Obi-Wan died so Luke and co. would escape and get away. The worst problems of all are during the final battle. Like I already stated the Gungan battle isn't really much of a battle at all. It's just comedy bits for Jar Jar, that seem more appropriate for a Pixar or PDI CGI toon then for a live action Star Wars. I didn't really have much of a problem with Jar Jar earlier in the film except at times when he seems too cartoonish. But all would have been fine if he redeemed himself in the final battle. Instead he goes Buster Keaton on us. The most insulting is when he has the droid blaster stuck on his foot and he takes out several droids by accident, EVEN a Droideka which even the Jedi couldn't take out. Everything he does good or bad is a mistake. Then we have Anakin in the N1. Instead of having him fly the n1 and go into battle on purpose we have the whole "automatic pilot deal" even worse while he flew his podracer with relative ease he seems to have no clue what to do in the n1 and all his success are accidents. Instead of being The Chosen One and doing everything by design it's "oops this and oops that" acting more like a little kid playing with a toy then "the great pilot" Obi-Wan said he was when he met him. Even worse he flies into the Droid Control ship by accident and then blow it up by accident. Just think how unexciting and anti-climatic ANH would have been if Han accidentally shot Han off of Luke's tail and Luke accidentally blew up the Death Star. Yet that is what Lucas chose to do with TPM. Maybe he didn't think a ten year old could do those things on purpose and if he meant your normal ten year old I would agree but Anakin is suppose to be a child prodigy, the chosen one, there's no reason he couldn't have acted deliberately in the final battle. Lucas just seemed to have a bad case of the cutes... And was more interesting in being cute then telling a good story like he did with the original trilogy. most of the action in TPM is without purpose. Having the Podrace so they can win the hyperdrive for the ship seems more like an excuse for a big action scene then something that has purpose to propel the story line. In ANH we have the Tie Attack because the Empire has to make it look like they don't want Our Heroes to escape. In ESB we have the asteroid chase so Han, Leia and Chewie can escape from the Empire when the hyperdrive goes down. In ROJ we have the speeder bike chase so they can stop some biker scouts from reporting them. Of course many of the things in TPM where means to an end. The podrace was to show Anakin was the chosen one and Qui-Gon's death was so Obi-Wan would have to train Anakin... But they where added in such a sloppy way. Now I would have had Qui-Gon arrested by Jabba and sentence to death for some trumped up charge and Anakin would have raced to save his life. This would have made Qui-Gon's instance that Anakin be trained as a Jedi more interesting. It would have also added an interesting shade to his belief that Anakin is "The Chosen One". Same thing with the final duel. Darth Maul could have sensed Anakin's potential and captured him on Coruscant, taking him to Naboo. This would have made the Queen's decision to return to Naboo a little more personal for the audience. Then when they got there Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan would have decided to rescue Anakin with Darth Maul standing in their way. Just imagine if during the final part of the duel there was a little cubby hole in the pit room with Anakin trapped there by a laser-wall. We could have seen his reaction to the duel. Then when Qui-Gon is killed he would be dying for a reason. Dying to save the boy who had saved his life. I think this would have brought some much needed emotional power to the film. Something it's seriously lacking and yet was abundant in the OT. -
But with movies I was a Star Wars fan first. I survived the teddy bear attack in ROTJ, but I cannot embrace TPM. I really want ATOC to be good, really good. After seeing Ewan on Larry King Live, I have hope. He seemed to be pleased with the movie thus far.
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First off yes I watched the movie. I hate how all you TPM lovers want to pretend those who don't love the flick didn't watch it or don't "get it" or some other such nonsense. Second off I want to say love Qui-Gon Jinn, he is one of the things I really love about the movie. In fact he was the only character in the film who had any real depth. I cried when he died. The fact that the film made me love him is the whole reason his rather pointless death angers me so. As for your assertions that they where protecting the Queen. Did you see Maul take off after the Queen? No. He paid her no mind whatsoever. His only attention was on the Jedi. His only thought was to confront the Jedi. However what really makes no sense is that Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan didn't even attempt to speak to him or find out who he was. Nothing of great importance weighed on the duel. I will grant diverting Maul is probably the reason Qui-Gon had, however it's not enough to give Qui-Gon's death meaning since his death did not save anyone. Like I said before the only truly exciting heroic act in the film is when Obi-Wan does his amazing leap and kills Maul. As for comparing Sidious to Hitler or other such evil tyrants, the big difference is aside from a few Queen's Guards nobody died on Naboo or really suffered. It was a bloodless invasion. There where no executions or other brutal treatments of civilians. Everyone was rounded up into interment camps like we did with the American-Japanese during WWII not concentration camps like the Nazis did with the Jews. While this is not very nice it's not exactly evil either. As for your absurdity about puppies, meat clever and Siddious, no I didn't want to see anything like that and we didn't need to see anything like that to establish the villains as being evil. Did you even bother to read all of my post? Lucas had no problem showing true evil in the OT while still maintaining a PG rating. In ANH the first thing Vader does is strangle Captain Antilles to death. Then the stormtroopers (under Vader's orders) brutally murder a sandcrawler full of Jawas and Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen. Then Tarkin blows up Alderaan murdering millions (and perhaps billions) of innocents. Lucas was able to have his villains do all these horrible evil acts without showing one drop of blood or sacrificing his PG. rating. These horrible hateful acts gave us reason to despise Vader and the Empire and made us want to root for Our Heroes
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That song parody was funny as hell. Great Job. And I should know, I produce an on-again, off-again online comedy music radio show and have written song parodies myself too. http://www.WorldwideWacky.com
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Toward the end of the movie, the big final battle spills over Blazing Saddles-style into the set of The Two Towers. "Hell with you, I'm workin' fer Peter Jackson!" "Not in meesa face!"
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Dude I've never seen post's that size before and I never want to again. I agree with you though. I love The OT soooo much. And I looked forward to liking tPM sooooo much to. But it kicked me in the teeth. It was childish, silly and not at all like the OT. I still went and saw it three more time's and I brought both the VHS and the DVD. I mean it's SW I got to. I mean I still like tPM (just barely). I feel that AotC will suck though I hope it won't. And even if it does I'll still go back and see it three more times, and buy the VHS, and the DVD. I mean it's SW I got to. That is Luca$' problem he knows every one is ganna see it, so why bother putting the same blood sweat and tears in it as he did for the OT? That's why BO sale's dosn't = good movie. Also I liked FotR alot, aswell as being a SW nut. However the books surpass the movie ten fold. I don't abuse people with diffrent opinon, or use offensive langugae excessivly. So Fuck you rd13 and Joey Stylez! Post opionion's not attacks.
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The reason why I used such strong language is because I didn't like the way rd13 was attacked for his post. He was just posting his opinion, not attacking anybody and these 2 losers (3 if you include Gurn blaston a.k.a. the Living DumbAss) jump all over him. That's why I responded the way I did. If they can't be civil to a fellow poster, then I'm not gonna be civil to them. You have to give respect to get respect, something a real man would know. I don't have a problem with your post. Even though you called me a hypocrite, I'll pass it off an you being misinformed. I don't have a problem with you not liking TPM, or with anyone else not liking it. What I don't like is when someone treats it like the biggest dissapointment of their lives and proceeds to rag on it and get personal with those of us who do like the film(which includes the great majority of fans, BTW). Hey, I was pissed off at how shitty the 1998 GODZILLA was, as I'm a huge G fan as well, but I got over it quickly. I don't insult soemone who happens to love it. Now why can't the majority of TPM haters do the same thing? You were able to respectfully and intelligently explain why you didn't like the film (even though you did resort to slight insulting, but I'll be nice and let it slide). Why is it so hard for the other losers on here to do the same thing? And yes, most of these haters ARE virgins and social outcasts, so calling them that does not show a lack of maturity on my part, rather a firm grasp of what their sad reality is. I have no problem with people having opinions different than mine, but I do have a problem with people who can't respond with a modicum of class. Let's not get into a discussion of who has a better taste in film, b/c I daresay that my taste in film is as good or better than yours. Watch CITIZEN KANE first and then talk to me about film. Watch Kubrick, Scrocese, Lean, Hitchcock, then talk to me about film. Any response will be welcome. As alway, my opnion is the truth.----------P.S. Highfalutin, thanks for the compliment. I got ya back.
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I especially like the way you come after me in exactly the style which the old sot so clearly seems to detest. I'm certain that was meant as irony. And spot with those generalizations about me as well. I'm really _quite_ impressed that you managed to pin down my entire personality and crippling social ineptitude without the aide of those pesky 'fact' things. And you did it all by mearely repeating the very baseless acusations that are so often hurled by us "ignnorant" louts on these forums. Gee golly, I wish I was you. You people can be so very amusing sometimes. Other times I could wish you would just spare us your inane prattling. I posted, quite simply, because I am tired of people applauding Lucas for making a kids movie (which, by the way, I do not think TPM is meant to be). If rd13's children love it, fine. But that hardly qualifies the moviue as cinematic perfection. Children are easily amused. It is a laudable act, but requires utterly no skill to make something which children can enjoy. Skill in childens' entertainment is shown by making something which can be appreciated by adults as well. Many who love TPM readily admit it is lacking in emotional depth, believable dialogue, and is for the most part poorly directed. If I am in the minority on my opinion on TPM then quite frankly this only encourages me, for in most things the majority is composed of people who accept what they are told rather than think for themselves. And no, I have not died inside. I have seen mass battles on film before. That a relatively simple glow effect will be added toi their weapons doesn't exactly make it a life changing experience for me. You see, the thing about all you obsesive types, regardless of the cause which you espouse, is that we who think need not argue with you. You make our points for us. That you consider Memento to be worth nothing but scorn demonstrates the worthlessness of what comes from your mouth far better than anything I could say.
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i'm not really paying attention, nor do i care, but i did happen to cath the line "a good kid's movie is one adults can enjoy too," or something to that effect. no, a kid's movie that appeal's to adults as well is a kids movie with extra moneybag mainstream appeal, as in, parents don't mind sitting through it, blah blah blah. i mean, a good kids movie is a movie kids like, its pretty simple. and think about it, did you lap up every shit kid movie churned out when you were a kid? fuck no, and kids in concept are generally idiots anyway, but as are most adults, and, everyone in a more genreral sense (who really knows anything?) haha! so its 830 in the morning i haven't slept and im a little drunk still, so this is where i go on an incoherent tangent of thought fragments from looking over this talkback strain:
ok, aotc is something i will see, i'm looking forward to it because i like star wars movies. i don't know if it will be good or bad, i simply hope for the best. the one guy who says to stop seeing hollywood crap because it looks cool makes it sound like he just discovered that hollywood makes crap, as if by some new trend, and it must be stopped, whereas the fact that crap will be made is inevitable, as with any artform, there will be crap, and, worse yet, people will like it. and someone else referring to other bad blockbusters, and how they're for the "brain-dead masses", well, somehow you found yourself in a theater, captain highbrow. do you watch hollywood whore films simply so you can say "pish posh! that was awful"? i hope not, how fucking lame. so you see a movie you think you might like, and then you don't like it, jesus fucking christ lets burn down the industry for you, fuckface, because your world's ruined. and i don't give a shit about your personal life and i'm being a dick because its amusing me, and i'm feeling a bit surly. i mean, christ, the braindead massses as they're often called (and its a concept i throw around now and again for whatever reason) usually don't give a shit about art, sure it sucks, but they arent' like us. they're the weird empty eyed people who think in sitcoms and newsflashes. they like halmark cards and paintings of puppies, poems that ryhme about baskets and grass, movies that star someone that they can pretend that they can actually relate too, blah blah blah, so basically, the world sucks for people who aren't "jesus christ i hate my wife and baby, i'm going to kill myself, or maybe my boss today, depending on what my SUV tells me." and that's just an ugly generalization of something i care little about, which is (not people with families or big gas guzzling robot cars) people who don't care about beautiful things that matter. but, even within the realm of aesthetically inclined, artistic minded misanthropes, an occaisional shit film can be enjoyed. its ok, we all have at least one. just because one intellecual, obsessed film goer likes a shit film doesn't mean all intellectual weirdos must, so accept, and relax. and don't bother trying to change anyone's opinion, its rarely worth it, except for hilarity purposes. anyway, this is enough sleepless drunken ranting, i'm going to watch 'leon' with the isolated score option on with the loud turned up and pass out, like the truely dorky film nut that i am, that people seem to find endearing for some peculiar reason - most likely because they're a bunch of fucking retards who like things. ah, friends. if you've taken anything in this post seriously, good luck! because i was wearing by lying hat, which consists of a brain full of mad dog 20/20. so um, yeah. -
As you said, a good kids movie is one which kids enjoy. What I said was that a well made one may have crossover appeal. Big difference between something being fun for kids and being well made. But hey, after drinking Mad Dog (vomit), allowances can be made.
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just kidding, i forgot what we were talking about already. ah, that's not true, i'm just playing up the amusing drunk card. just please, don't knock mad dog, 6 bucks'll get you a jug of it. when you're poor, beer = pabst, wine = mad dog, and whisky = old crowe. and you learn to like them all. besides, there's a special moment in giving a beautiful girl with good taste a sip of md, watching the reaction, the scrunchy face, and then comes the crowning moment - the sly smile off to the side when she extends her hand for another go. and you have to love, after watching a girl's beer disappear in one ridiculous sip, the drunken proposal that comes with it. whoa, haha, this is completely unrelated to anything. oh well.
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I am very excited to see AOTC. I liked TPM. All I am concerned about when I see the film opening night are the booers. I really don't want to have to listen to anyone booing during the film. All I ask is please don't boo every time Jar Jar appears on screen or during any scene for that matter. I would like to enjoy the film without listening to people criticizing it while watching it. I hope people will not ruin the movie-going experience.
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Just as long as you don't drink High Life.
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Glad to see you respond, so let's get to it. I'm sure you wish you were me, then at least you could enjoy TPM and stop crying about it. So you're a long-time Star Wars fan and Episode 1 broke your heart. Boo fucking hoo. Keep it to yourself and stop bashing people who like the film. I also notice that you didn't exactly deny my generalization of you. Truth hurts, don't it? You say you're tired of people applauding Lucas for making a kids film. Guess what, that's your opnion. I see it really bothers you that so many people don't agree with you. Really reinforces just how insignificant you are, huh? That's how I'm so easily able to figure out what kind of dork you are. Obviously a lot of other people feel different about TPM. Keep your opinons to yourself and stop worrying about what other fans think. And that does not mean that we're all brain-dead dummies who can't tell a great film from a hollywood crapfest. Did you not see the list of great directors I mentioned in my last post? Go watch CITIZEN KANE, CASABLANCA, TAXI DRIVER, REAR WINDOW, A CLOCKWORK ORANGE, then come talk to me about film. Just b/c I don't bust a nut over Memento does not mean I'm not a true film fan. It's called difference of opinion, jackass. Look it up in a dictionary. For the record, I never said TPM was a perfect film. THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK is way better, as is RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, KING KONG and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS. The movie has it's flaws. But it's still a great film for me and I love it. Now can you dig it, sucka!?
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First off, Stylez: I Appreciate the fact that you read my post and responded to it intelligently. However the hypocrite comment of mine is because I thought your childish insulting ("go back to jerking off to Anna K" isn't childish?) was hypocritical because nothing Kojiro and Festering Bull said was anywhere near as bad as the crass generalizations you put forth yet you where chastising them for what they said about TPM-lovers. So that's what bothered me but I'm cool now. Oh and I know you weren't referring to me but just so you know, I had seen every film by every director you listed multiple times by the time I was 13 (I'm twice that age now). I grew up the son of two devout film buffs and have been on a steady diet of great film since I was a baby. It's why film is the one thing I'm most passionate about.-------------: Highfalutin: Well the crimes of the villains in TPM need to equal or at least compare to the atrocities committed by the villains in the OT if we the audience are going to give a shit. As for the ratings. Well it might be true had ANH been made today it might have garnered a PG-13 rating. That's because when Lucas made ANH and ESB he was making a film aimed primarily at teens and young adults. I just watched the two-hour A&E GL Biography and Steven Spielberg said after viewing the rough cut of ANH Lucas said he was afraid he failed and just made a kids film. In fact back then he always went on and on about how he wanted Star Wars to be grand mythology and that's why he drew from Joseph Campbell's work and Kurosawa's films. Now when people complain about the stupid stuff in TPM and talk about how weak the plot is he says "it's just a kids film." You say that the invasion must have killed a fair amount of people. Maybe it did and maybe it didn't. We sure don't see it. Not like how we seen what the Empire did to the Jawas and Luke's family and if we don't see it there's a good chance it didn't happen. Having Darth Maul be a reckless driver and having the TF deprive people of food just doesn't compare to Vader strangling Captain Antilles and Tarkin blowing up Alderaan. Just like Anakin playing with the N1 like it's a videogame and accidentally blowing up the droid control ship (in an overly cutesy fashion) doesn't compare to Luke putting his life on the line to blow up the Death Star and seeing his friends get shot out of the sky one-by-one. Heck I think Willow and the Ewok movies where more gutsy then TPM. The second Ewok movies starts with all of Cyndil's family getting killed! Of course both that film and Willow where criticized for being too intense for the kids they where aimed at. It seems like with TPM Lucas finally made a film banal enough to please parent watch groups yet with enough cutesy situations and gee-whiz effects to please the kiddies. Yet somewhere he lost the epic story line and magic that made Star Wars great and disappointed an entire generation who grew up with Star Wars and who remember when it was more then just a kids film. Fact is TPM lacked everything that made the OT great. Sharp witty dialogue, really evil villains, friendship and exciting heroics. It's a fine film for kids but that's all it is. That and a loooooooong prologue for AOTC which I hope to God has more meat to it.------------
Well this is the last time I post about TPM, this is the second thread I took the time to give a long and detailed analyses as to everything I thought was wrong with the film, especially when compared to the greatness of the OT and yet again Lucas Apologists fail to read it and REALLY think about what I have to say. I'm getting to the point where I think Lucas could made Episode 3 with the Teletubbies and the cast of Bug's Life in major roles and Lucas Apologists would still say how great it was and how it's Lucas' "vision".. I just wish we could bring back the pre-kids George Lucas and have him make three REAL Star Wars films but I guess Peter Jackson and the LOTR trilogy is the next-best thing. I'm still giving Lucas one more shot with AOTC but I'm not getting my hopes up. ----- Oh and about the A&E special, it was really good but I was appalled they didn't mention Young Indiana Jones! I mean Lucas spent 4 years (and a fortune of his own money) doing that show and they don't even mention it? Heck it might be some of the last really cool stuff he'll do for all we know. It was labeled a kids show but he never flinched from having it be violent and adult when it needed to be unlike with TPM. -
I haven't seen so much bile since the December LOTR talkbacks.... you folks don't need Hobbitgeeks to make each other miserable, just say "Phantom Menace"... anyway, Quidditch is more exciting than pod racing, but Mrs Jabba was a sight I'll take to the grave. And RD13 is deffo entitled to his opinion.
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You know, it's really not that hard for people of differing opinions to act civilized towards each other. I also appreciate the way you responded. When it comes to TPM, let's just agree to disagree. At least we agree about the greatness that is the Holy Trinity. And it's cool that you saw so many great films by your 13th birthday. Lord knows that today's pre-teens should be watching these films as well. As a fellow Star Wars fan, all I ask is that you give George another chance with AOTC, something you seem ready to do. Thanks for the interesting exchange of viewpoints, it's not often I get to match wits with someone at my level. Click on my name and e-mail me sometime if you ever want to talk about film. PEACE OUT!
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