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Spielberg project after next... INDIANA JONES 4'
Hey folks, Harry here... Sure nuff from out of the Golden GLobe hell, where we see Spielberg and Capshaw and Ford... surely we'd get news regarding the Fourth Indiana Jones movie. This time we hear it will come after CATCH ME IF YOU CAN... However, there was so little excitement on Ford's face while he watched his career's work go by that I very much wonder if I ever want to see him do Indiana again. Where has that spark gone? Can he still light it up? I mean charm! Sheesh you people. Ford is all of ours' childhood hero actor, wanting him to be the king again is very much the dream. However, Errol Flynn, Douglas Fairbanks, Clark Gable... they never really got that late career jumpstart like Sean Connery and Humphrey Bogart did. But that's because those two chaps decided to take the age on screen... same as Cagney. Here's hoping that Ford makes all of us run to the theaters over and over again. That world is better than the world where he doesn't. That's for damn sure.
Harry K.,
Rafe M. here. First time contributor (((((at least I think I am))))),
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visitor. GOLLY GEE, I always wanted to say that.
Harry K., get yourself over to Fox News. Like, pronto!
It's official. The world's most famous action adventure hero is returning
to
the big screen. And his film even has a title. Steven Spielberg told
Fox
News last night that Indiana Jones 4 is a GO and that it will be filmed
after his next project, Catch Me If You Can. WOO HOO! The return of Harrison
Ford is his most famous role!
Side note, ole Steven says that he will not be filming the Memoirs of a
Geisha film ever. Is this really a bad thing?
This is the link:::::::: CLICK HERE
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Indiana Jones to Return —
Monday, January 21, 2002
By Roger Friedman
At the end of a wild night of partying and celebrating for the 2002 Golden
Globes, I had the rare opportunity of talking with Steven Spielberg, Kate
Capshaw and Harrison Ford. They were sitting together in a small booth in
the basement of Trader Vic's at the Beverly Hilton Hotel at the combined
party thrown by DreamWorks, USA Films and Universal Pictures.
This threesome is pretty much it in Hollywood. After all, between Spielberg
and Ford they've made some of the highest grossing and best loved films
of
all time. Capshaw, who's Mrs. Spielberg, co-starred with Ford in Indiana
Jones and the Temple of Doom.
So what's the story, I wanted to know - with this trio finally in one place,
and relaxed enough to talk, will we ever see Indiana
Jones 4?
"Yes," they all said, and confirmed that once Spielberg films Catch Me If
You Can with Leonardo DiCaprio and Tom Hanks, IJ4 will be his priority.
"We have a title, but we're not ready to announce it," Spielberg said. "I
will give you one clue, though. Kate is in it." I asked if he meant that
Capshaw's character would appear via flashbacks, and he replied: "No. She'll
be in the present."
Ford, who received the Lifetime Achievement Award, said he's ready to take
on this last chapter. "It was always about getting the right script, and
now
we have it," he said.
Harrison gave quite a nice speech last night. I asked him if he'd been
nervous about giving it. "For a couple of days leading up to it I was, then
I thought What the hell, here I am. And I wasn't nervous at all."
Spielberg, by the way, is finishing up the editing on Minority Report with
Tom Cruise. And he told me that his long aborning plan to make Arthur
Golden's
novel, Memoirs of a Geisha, has finally ended. "I'm not going to do
it,"
he confirmed. "It's over."
My job here is done.
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This is great news, but I agree with Harry... I noticed that Harrison Ford hardly reacted at all watching his most famous and best-loved roles at the Golden Globes montage. Oh well, I'm still thrilled! (Moriarty, why wasn't Battle Royale anywhere on your best-of-2001 list?) "I should have sent it to the Marx brothers!"
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I hope it gets done as I can't wait to see it. I do agree that Ford seems to be more serious these days, but then they all seem to be...
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Geeks say Ford too old to play jack ryan in action films but say hes fine to even more action in this flick...me sense a disconnect....Live safer off a goth
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I dont blame him for looking bored at the globes, i had trouble staying awake. Hopefully this project will come to life though. I love Indy.
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I am not just excited about the return of Indy, but also the incredible John Williams score that will accompany this film!!!
One request to Mr. Spielberg, if you are going to bring back Kate's character please give us a check-in with Shortround. It seems as though he is in character purgatory...
Please rescue him. I would love to see him on the screen busting out some bad-ass moves to save Indy's ass.
Back to the contribution of Maestro Williams...
Please deliver yet another memorable theme. I need something new to arrange for my band to play as an awesome warm-up chorale. The kids love playing his stuff....
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Should we really be hyped to see this project. Ford is an arrogant old man now. Temple of Doom and Idiana 3 were not that good compared to Raiders. Especially if Lucas is going to be involved. Indy's next adventure better be based in somwhat of a reality, not some immortal knight, holy grail bullshit.
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But, as Conan O'Brien once proposed while interviewing Harrison Ford, it might be titled "Indiana Jones & the Comfortable Bed." (hahaha! it made me laugh) And whatever happened to siccing M. Night Shyamalan on the screenplay? And with the way Spielberg's been leaning, shall we expect a CGI Denholm Elliott? Hell, I don't care. Put in a CGI Keye Luke for all I care. Just make the damn thing!!! GO GO GO!!
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...leave it alone Stephen. You are no longer about wonder, adventure. The critics mean too much to you. I'm sorry, I just want those little scraps of my memory, those rain drenched nights watching Raiders of the Lost Ark, knees tucked into bundled arms. I thank you for that. But please, don't hurt this series. What would you have thought if they had of made a sequel to Lawrence of Arabia, Stephen? See what I mean?
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Has anyone seen Dr. Jones' pills?
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With so many false starts and rumors, I wouldn't get my hopes up. Mr. Ford is getting old and wouldn't look too good with a walker in the flick. But if they can pull it off, I'm there.
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...at the end of "a "wild night of partying".
Some journalist stops Spielberg, Capshaw and Ford on their way home, and asks them a question they must have heard about a million times before.
And out of the blue Spielberg decides, that this is the ideal moment to finally confirm Indy 4...?
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Jan 22, 2002 3:08:10 AM CST
how original of all of you for you to come up with fake indy nam
by wolfensteiner
give me a break
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Please give Short-Round at least a cameo, Mr Speilberg. Hopefully Jonathan Ke Kwan (however it's spelled) would be willing to film a short part in Indy 4, although I don't think he wants to be in Goonies 2 so who knows. SHorty rules!
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she was the worst thing about Temple of Doom and i'm actually kind of insulted Spielberg would throw her in another Indy flick. Bring back fucking Karen Allen.
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Come on. Why does this franchise need another film, if only to revive Ford's career for one final box office hurrah before he slips into total geriatric status? The first one was a classic, the second a travesty, the third okay. But will anyone believe a senior-citizen Indy running from a massive boulder?
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Jan 22, 2002 3:18:02 AM CST
You know, I was kind of hoping he would do GEISHA. It would tea
by lenny nero
Now I hope at least SOMEONE will do MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA. I read it again last week, and it's so simply cinematic. Too bad.
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I love it how some fans hope "Lucas insn't involved" in any Indy sequel. Hey, Lucas only created the character and came up with the stories for all three films. He OWNS the Indy franchise. Naw, he shouldn't be involved because - uh, we hate Jar Jar and Fight Club kicks ASS! Sheesh! IF they make this film we should PRAY Lucas and Spielberg team up. Lucas was the one who brought Spielberg back to reality after nearly throwing his career away with 1941. Perhaps these two aging masters could help reinvigorate each other and give us a film that recaptures the magic they once so effortlessly created.
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check out "What Lies beneath"... That move is only a couple of hears old and he's in pretty fucking good shape there. sure he looks like a miserable old man, but once you get him under htose cameras and lights...MOVIE MAGIC! He can still tumble with the best. I have faith. Just remember... he's always been a broody bastard. now he just looks a little older.
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Her endless whining haunts me to this day. At least back then she had a killer body to alleviate the pressure of the pounding blood vessels in my brain. Let's pray its only a cameo or I may not survive this one. As far as Harrison Ford's so-called lack of personality at an awards show as pathetically lame as the Golden Globes. I could't give a rat's ass. So what if he's a block of wood in public???? He's INDIANA FUCKING JONES for Christ's Sake!!! I don't need him to entertain me 24/7. Just as long as he turns it on while he's in front of the lens. How they'll be able to match the pure beauty of the Last Crusade's ending, I don't know. I just can't wait to see the product of this ingenius script they waited all these years to finally film. It better be nothing short of an orgasm. Course I exaggerate. The return of the man with the fedora and his trusty bullwhip will be a great day!!! Its just too bad Denholm Elliot isn't around for this one. Follow me, I know the Waaaaayyyy!!!!
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And I don't mean that as disrepect, just that he's.... TOO OLD to be playing Indiana Jones. And also like I said before, do you really want a Lucas and Speilberg circa 2002 to have Indy back in their clutches? Nope, I didn't think so. Best they get busy making that Indiana Jones DVD boxset instead.
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I'd rather have the cool-as-shit tough-as-nails awesome chick than the whiney prissy stuck-up helpless bitch any day. God... her whining is probably the main reason why Temple Of Doom is my least favorite Indy movie, and Marion's one of the top reasons I love Raiders so much. Her, and Sullah, and Brodie not being a bumbling idiot... but that's just me.
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Hey SureBert, I didn
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or how about Indiana Jones And The Search For The Lost Prostate.....or Indiana Jones Meets Dr. Kevorkian.....It's funny that Ford was so UNcomfortable about reliving his past roles in the Golden Globes tribute but he wants to demean himself by playing a character he left behind 13 years ago. It's like Sean Connery being great in the original Bond films and then he comes back to do a mediocre followup (Never Say Never Again) all those years later. Geez, Connery himself was 59 when he played Indiana Jones' crotchety father in The Last Crusade so what can we expect from Ford at the same age now? Him pulling his son, Josh Hartnett let's say, out of dangerous predicaments? That would be sooooooo sad.
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Jan 22, 2002 4:05:28 AM CST
IJ4 will rule 2003 ... it will make $400m plus at the b.o.
by aronld scazziger
Read my lips: fourhundredmillionbucksplus
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This is a good time for the Hunky Archaeologist to make his final appearance. Speilberg loves trashing Nazis (who doesn't?) and making Arabs look silly. With what is happening now in Afghanistan and elsewhere concerning terrorism, it would be a safe move for "Dr. Jones" to head over that way and kick some middle-eastern ass! I think A.I. was pretty bad, but I bet Speilberg can still put together a fun and well made action flick. Raiders was brilliant, Temple of doom was OK but had amazing sequences, and Crusade was solid with some outstanding action (remember the tank Indy was stuck on with the bag on his shoulder?). Harrison is older, but he's in better shape than most men in their 40's. He looked great in Six Days Seven Nights, and will undoubtedly buff-up for this fourth installment in the Indiana Jones films.
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Fuck Harrison Ford. I won't pay a dime to see another Indiana Jones movie. If everyone wants one I hope he makes it for all of you, but my days of drooling over that prospect are over. What a unappreciative bastard.
The bottom line is, he is too old. I just can't see it happening. These guys could have made it happen ten years ago when everyone really did have some life left in them, but for chrissake, Sean Connery seems to have more energy and spark these days than Harrison Ford.
The three Indiana Jones movies that stand are pretty good, but the last one wasn't that good and I can't see another one improving on them.
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Watching the golden globes, my interpretation of the facial expressions of Spielberg and Ford during the Indy footage was they that knew something we didn't. There was a glowing buzz about them. The result? A low key confirmation of Indy 4 (when asked, of course). I say AWESOME!! But then again, there I was sitting watching Speilberg and Harrison embrace and my wishful mind was at pace "Okay guys, blow this party. Get going to Tunisia and shoot the damn film already. Why are you here wasting valuable time at an awards show? Harrison what are you doing? Why are you walking up the stage? Speilberg stop him! Swing in and grab him! Indy 4 cannot wait. Indy! Indy! Yes, we want another Indy!" All thought within a few split seconds...
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Seriously I love Harrison Ford but one look at him last night told me that Indy 4 would be a mistake. I want to remember Indy young and vital not a sad older guy who cant let go of his glory days of adventuring and lets face it at the moment thats what it would look like. I could buy a Jack Ryan at the end of his career film but Indy as a late 50's early 60's guy just wouldn't work it would be like Roger Moore in A View to a Kill ... remember how odd it looked him and Tanya Roberts making goo goo eyes or him in action scenes heck him just standing around trying to look like a dashing superspy. Some things are best left alone was Gone With the Wind improved by Scarlett? Were the Rocky films improved by the increaingly by the numbers sequels? First Blood by Rambo or even worse Rambo 3? Batman by Batman & Robin? Sometimes you can go back to the well one too many times and it hurts the whole product a little (I still hope Star Wars can come back after the horror of the Jar Jar incident ... the Horror ... oh the Horror).
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I MUST talkback on this one! Indiana Jones is perhaps my favorite screen character ever. Now for the doubters and the believers as to a forth film, let's examine the pros and cons. One of only two major issues seems to be whether Ford is too old. Well, in public, without makeup, sure he looks old. But let's consider that Sam Jackson is FIFTY, and he's about to whip out his lightsaber and kick some clones' asses and nobody is complaining about that. There are such things as stunt doubles as well. And, there's always the script--if the story incorporates Indy's age, what's the big deal? Perhaps it will be "passing on the torch" to someone else, just as the hat was passed to him in the beginning of Last Crusade (maybe Short-Round?). The other major concern actually does have me concerned, and that is the greed, marketing focus and loony decisions that both Spielberg and Lucas have been making for almost a decade (beginning with The Lost World). The films that made them famous did so because they set a new standard. Well, that standard still holds today, but they are not leading the pack anymore, save for in terms of dollars (especially Luca$$). Phantom Menace was made by all the same rules as the classic Star Wars films, but failed to impress us, because it only met the standard, rather than setting a new one. I think it ultimately comes down to the script. Indeed it MUST be a script so incredible that it would take an Indiana Jones adventure to find it. Now, this may sound sacreligious, but I don't think that ANY previous Indy characters should be involved. That screams of gimmick. It should be Indy alone, and let the STORY stand on it's own merits. But whatever they cook up, I don't think it can defame the originals, so everyone please rest easy. I used to go tramping around the woods with my Indy-style bullwhip and use it to swing over pits and rivers, and nothing can take that away. Hell, I still educate newcomers to the majesty of Highlander, despite those pieces of flaming, blasphemous shit they called "sequels". At the very least, we can say "Well, they waited too long, oh well." But at best we can say, "Grand finale!"
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You know, that little scooter thing for old people? Fits in your trunk? Anyone, anyone? LAUGH DAMN YOU!!!
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I think 'Catch Me If You Can' will be worth a look. Definitely happy about Indiana Jones 4, although, still unsure as to whether Ford will be able to pull this off. I certainly hope it doesn't descend into 'Lethal Weapon' dialogue - 'Ugh, I'm too old for this shit'. That could be a disaster. Oh, and the last Indy film Capshaw was in was the poorest of the series... a thought.
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Temple of Doom sucks when placed up against Raiders and Last Crusade. Don't bring back Willie, she was fucking weak.
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Jan 22, 2002 5:37:30 AM CST
Top Five Potential Titles for the Next Indiana Jomes Movie...
by kelvington
Number 5 - Indiana Jones and The Box Office Gold
Number 4 - Indiana Jones and The Muppets Take Manhattan
Number 3 - Indiana Jones and Get Me Another Beer Short Round
Number 2 - Indiana Jones and The Unwieldy Wheelchair
And the Number One Title for the Next Indiana Jones Movie - Indiana Jones and The Mother of My Kids -
Seems like I will never be able to bring myself to get excited again over news like this. Conformation for a 4th Indy has been popping up every two months or so since 1993, after "The Fugitive". And Lucas has always been persistent that he won
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He has been for over 15 years. When was the last time you saw any PASSION in what he was doing. The reason Ford looked so stunned while watching his career pass before his eyes because he realized he's been doing crap since the late 80's. Working Girl was probably the last thing that had some spark. But let's get to the point: Harrison Ford is not a great actor. His physical presence and regular guy aesthetic helped flesh out two franchise mythic heroes of the cinema. But he is no Robert DeNiro, or Paul Newman, or Sean Penn, or Edward Norton, or Al Pacino, or even Brad Pitt for that matter. The man has ZERO range, and appears uninterested in taking any chances that might challenge him or his audience (most recently, dropping out of the role in Traffic that eventually went to M. Douglas). He will NEVER win an academy award for acting, and I'm quite surprised he's receiving a lifetime achievement award from the GG's. His career is all about two things: Han Solo and Indiana Jones. George Lucas created the two characters, not to mention the fact that he brought us Star Wars. Where's his fucking award? He's done more for film than Harrison Ford has. The few other triumphs in Ford's career are flukes (Mosquito Coast, Witness), and honestly--Blade Runner was not about the acting. People seem to put blinders on everytime his name comes up, and refuse to admit that he is a movie star, not an actor. What separates him from Stallone and Schwartzenegger? The fact that the audience can identify with him easier. He's just a guy. But unfortunately, his ability and choice of roles show he's nothing more than that. To his credit, his acceptance speech was one of humility, most likely because he knows he doesn't deserve to be honored like some kind of national treasure. Only in this country would someone so plain and commercial receive such credit.
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Except the idiot who's porking her?
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Well I hope The Japs get theres. How fucking dare they complain about Pearl Harbour. Some of our families are still waiting for compens for WW2 Camps and theft. I hope we get to see on film some of the truely horific things they have done. Then they WILL be asshamed. I hate Nazis too but The Japs got off easy In Hollywood as far as WW2 gos. Thats nothing to do with Jap people in general I am speaking to the Gov and their policys re WW2.Hey Italy you too!! Indy can take over a Zero that would be nice.hehehehe
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god this is going to be so lame. speilburg is going to destroy one of my best loved movie triology. do we really need another INDY movie? harrison is old enough to play grandpa roles & speilburg still wants him to do another INDY again? create a new franchise speilburg, & let INDY rest in peace.
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Anyone remember the old LucasArts game "Indiana Jones and the Fates of Atlantis"? I always thought that it had a storyline that'd make a great movie (certainly better than TOD, anyway). Only trouble is, I seem to remember Spielberg saying, post-Schindler's List, that he couldn't ever reduce Nazis to that kind of cartoonish supervilliany after the things he learned while doing that one. Makes me wonder who's ass Indy will be kicking this time. Oh, and cut it with the Lucas ragging, huh? So he's making the movie he wants to make (as opposed to the one I want him to - hmm... I've been trying to send him messages with my shiny new psychic powers, but I don't think he can hear me). Despite what some of you may think, he doesn't actually owe you a damn thing, and the bandying around of phrases such as "slap in the face to the fans" only indicates your slight self-deception regarding your place in the world (Go, shiny new psychic powers, GO!!)
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I think those who say Harrison Ford is one-dimensional are selling him short. Yes he has done some bad stuff in the recent past, but let's not forget Blade Runner, Witness, Regarding Henry (on OK film, but a commendable performance), Pressumed Innocent, The Mosquito Coast, The Holy Trilogy AND The Indiana Jones films. All actors get cast in roles many times for what they do well. Ford is an excellent macho hero, De Niro is the intense psycho/mobster, Pitt is the sexy and naive man searching for new life, Cruise is almost always being mentored by an older and wiser friend, etc., etc. Harrison Ford isn't above or below any of these actors. He's simply part of a system which is afraid to let actors try new things. He's a leading man
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I don't know what's wrong with you people who say Ford can't pull it off because he's too old. Either simple ignorance or more likely the dullard pile on mob mentality that's sooo often the case here. Harrison Ford is one of the great actors of all time. Of courzse he can do it. I guarantee when it hits the screen, you'll see Indy as he's always been, and age won't be a factor at all except maybe for a funny one liner along the lines of "I'm getting too old for this" right before pulling off some amazing Indyesque super stunt. So all you detractors mark my words, print them out and save them so you can eat them when the movie comes out. IJ4 will rock!
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Theres not one!!
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I remember fate of Atlantis...in the good old days before playstations took over the world. That was a good game..it actually gave you a feeling of watching another Indy movie..great story. I remember being stuck in the sumbarine for weeks though..until a 12 year old kid told me how to get out. Coming back to Ford and Indy 4..so what if he's old..can we not just have a story where Indy gets old..most of us were younger when Raiders came out..I'm sure we can relate to an older Indy. I hope Spielberg goes for it...look on the bright side..it cant be worse than the Mummy returns...
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Something I forgot to mention on my earlier post: There are reasons why the Indiana Jones movies are not on DVD yet: 1) Lucas is holding them back as he has to wait for Indy 4 to get underway so he can re-sell them on VHS with a 10-minute making-of special, and THEN we'll get the DVDs a year or two later, 2) Spielberg is digitally removing all the guns from the Nazis, and 3) they're both involved in more important projects like Radioland Murders II (anyone remember that reason for an additional 2-year stall on Star Wars?). You know, we were supposed to get Indiana Jones IV in 1996! The Disneyland ride was originally being made alongside the movie (it opened in March 1995). Now that I weigh all the evidence, I have to say that two of my childhood idols, Spielberg and Lucas, have gone completely mad. As for those who say they don't owe the fans anything and can do what they want, um, they're in show business, and if they don't have an audience they don't have a job! They owe us respect at least! Perhaps they should sell off the Indiana Jones rights to someone completely different, and let them renew the franchise with different writers, actors and directors, kind of like James Bond. I know, I know, who could do better than Ford? Like Connery in Bond, probably no one, but at least we'd get a new adventure more often than every 15 years! Sorry, but I haven't found the Holy Grail, and I don't live forever. On that note, one more reason why Indy IV has not been made yet, and it has nothing to do with Spielberg's BS about getting the right script--it's about the GREED of Spielberg and Lucas (and to a certain extend Ford), demanding so much money that no studio would back the budget of this film, as the three principles alone would cost (I shit you not) a cool 70 million! Hell, that's more than the cost of the entire rest of the film! And what have Spielberg and Lucas done in the last 10 years to merit that kind of salary? It comes back to greed. Ford, you I still respect. Get the rights to yourself and find someone else to make the movie. Okay, rant over.
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Jan 22, 2002 8:19:25 AM CST
Indiana Jones and the hilarious and unpredictable jokes about Fo
by paulsc
I was never all that fussed about the Indiana Jones films anyway, and I don't really see the point in doing another one after all this time. Casting Capshaw again smacks of self-indulgence on Spielberg's part.
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Come on Spiderblood.
"Thunderball" was pretty good.
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Jan 22, 2002 8:26:14 AM CST
So the Trilogy is going to be extended. Now where did that happe
by kentrel
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I would love to see a fourth indy movie, but the time has passed. It's come and gone and its now too late. The first half of the 90's was the last oppurtunity and its now long gone. Harison Ford is far too old to realistically play an action hero. Air Force One was made five years ago and even then Ford was getting on in years. I'm not ageist in anyway, but the image of Indiana Jones is an important image to perserve.
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When we think of Indy now we think of the 80's Ford. We think of this young but mature college professor who goes to EXTREME measures to protect the artifacts he wants. We all wanted to BE Indiana Jones. He was our hero. He looked like we wanted to look. He said the things we wanted to say. And he did the things we wanted to do. We always imagined ourselves as Indiana Jones. Not as our grandad's. Watching Indy 4 will only dilute that image and hurt the legacy of Indiana. Spielberg, watch the mistake your friend Lucas made. The Star Wars legacy was hurt by Phantom Menace, not helped.
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I'm sure they have a great script. After all, they looked hard enough and rejected some top quality pitches by some great writers. But its the image that will be hurt here. Now, maybe they've found a good way around the "age" thing. I really really hope so. But I doubt they have otherwise Oil of Ulay will be onto them for the secret. I used to look on Spielberg as the God of Movies. ET, Indiana Jones, everything he's touched seemed to turn to gold. But after he rushed his through AI instead of spending time crafting it the way Kubrick would have, and if he hadn't digitally removed the guns from the ET: Special Edition because of he's "anti-gun" (WTF!?) then maybe I would still look on him as the God of Movies. But no more. -
As long as it's fun. Remember, just because someone is 60 doesn't mean they are are doddering wreck on a zimmer frame. You are as old as you feel. Why can't age be incorporated into the script, like nforgiven ?
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Indiana Jones and Those Damn Kids Who Won't Get Off His Lawn. Indiana Jones and the Last Days of Disco. Indiana Jones and the Big Slam Breakfast at Denny's. Indiana Jones and the Two Hours He Spent Playing Wolfenstein 3D.
Indiana Jones and Some Other Guys at the VFW Hall Playin' Bingo. Indiana Jones Loses An Eyeball and Spends His Final Days Telling Complete Strangers About His Exploits.
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Finally a indy 4... god I remember sitting in the theater with my mother when I was little during The Temple Of Doom and her saying how annoying Capshaw was if she screamed one more time in the film. My mother will roll her eyes when she hears this. :) I agree about Ford's reactions on the Golden Globes. I kept thinking he looked annoyed beyond belief if they play one more star wars or indiana jones clip. Sean Connery did the same thing when they gave him an achievement award and they kept mostly playing James Bond clips. That look of embarrasement. I think actors don't like being type casted even tho tons of fans like them as a certain character. I'm sure Ford might feel down on himself and thanks Lucas/Spielburg for where he's at today, if not for his collaboration with them he'd still be where? They should honestly be greatful for the success they've had in life, swallow your pride and smile during your bond and indy themes. :)
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I never thought I'd see this happen, but if its true, it really is wonderful news. I havent read these talkbacks yet, but if anyone is saying "no, leave it at three, dont make another".....THEN YOU ARE INSANE! Who the hell are you to say there shouldnt be anymore when the creators want to do another one?? And if it doesnt turn out to be great, it doesnt matter, we'll still have the others. And of course there is the chance that it will be really special. I also like the idea of capshar coming back, and i would hope that marion would return too. GOD I hope this is true.
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Great news. I especially like the first one where Indy shoots the Egyptian swordsman with his walkie-talkie.
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Jan 22, 2002 9:02:33 AM CST
also, ford's age will be integral to the plot I'm sure..
by captain katanga
... theyre not going to just make another indy film...the age will be an issue, and theres no reason at all why the action cant be just as thrilling as ever.
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WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ON??? Comparing this to making a sequel to lawrence of arabia.... oh i cant even be bothered. I am dumbfounded by anyone who says this shouldnt happen... of course those (staggeringly pretentious) people are in the minority.
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Indiana Jones and Out Of Work Actress - - - - Indiana Jones and The Receding Hairline - - - - Indiana Jones and Willie Scott present 1941 (part two) - - - - Indiana Jones and Island of Dr. No. - - - - Indiana Jones and The End of My Career - - - - Indiana Jones and the Quest For A Senior Discount Card - - - - Indiana Jones and The Last Of My Teeth - - - - Indiana Jones and Kelly Live - - - - Indiana Jones and Masonic Temple - - - - Indiana Jones and The Crooked Spine - - - - Indiana Jones and The Director's Wife!
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Its going to taint the movies you grew up with???? PLEASE SPARE US FROM THESE LUNATICS!!!! Everyone involved KNOWS the quality they have to live up to, and they have been waiting for so long for the right script. this COULD be great. and he is not too old!!!! His age will be integral to the plot! Was Clint eastwood too old to make unforgiven???? I'm not comparing the two films, merely pointing out that the age thing does not matter at all, and potentially could add a very interesting layer.
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Jan 22, 2002 9:11:20 AM CST
As long as Kate Capshaw isn't screaming her way through this
by chewblacca
...but I'm still waiting for Lucas
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Should they or shouldn't they? I say they should. I am dead curious to see if Harrison Ford can manage an expression of joy one last time before he keels over. If he puts his heart into it and enjoys it and that shows on film, it could be good. Lord knows the grumpy bastard hasn't enjoyed many of his more recent roles. However, Lucas and Spielberg could ruin the film no matter how great Ford's acting is. They've changed BIG time, and there may be no going back. If they incorporate the age thing and make it a bit serious at times, ala Unforgiven, it may be a great last adventure. A final cap on the saga. But the PC Lucas and Spielberg may not allow anything remotely adventurous into the script. What's next? Spielberg's anti-whip? Anti-leather jackets cause we can't harm animals? Anti-fedora cause they were mainly worn at a time when African-Americans still had no rights? It's just stupid to let yourself get mired in the PC swamp. And Lucas will probably want to include a CGI sidekick for Ford with some dumb accent. HELL-OO VER MIZGA JONEZEE! MYZELF GRININ LOW-LOW STINKS! That made no sense, but you get the idea. Anyway, purely to see if they could pull it off, I think it should be done. It isn't like we don't already have three great Indy films to watch, and I'll always love them. These guys are near the end of their career anyway, so if they screw this up, it will just be another nail in the coffin. If they pull it off, cool, if not, oh well, plenty of good young directors out right now that weren't there six or seven years ago. I just wish that more directors would take sci-fi fantasy as seriously as Spielberg and Lucas take them. Well, at least Lucas took it seriously once upon a time. Besides LOTR, AI is the only recent genre film to take itself seriously. I didn't like it too much, but at least it wasn't made soley with the purpose of raking in the dough. Hopefully, people like Fincher and Spike Jonze will take a crack at Sci-Fi fantasy, but without overusing their overly self-aware bizzaro techniques. You know... straightforward and interesting.
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Make those first. I hope the next Indiana Jones film has 'Survivor' by Destiny's Child playing, because, y'know, he's a survivor himself, kinda. I think it could be done, but we'll see. The Capshaw involvement sounds bad, what are they married? Don't bring back, Short-Round for God's sake! Here, we meet again to share a hug and one last adventure! The kid was annoying, just bring back Indiana's closest friends, maybe Connery. Hopefully, it won't be a sappy passing of the torch thing, where Indiana gives some pretty-boy his fucking hat and he smiles as he puts it on. Or the teacher who finds himself in the midst of unwanted adventure. blech! The script has to be better than originals if they want fans pleased. "And what have Spielberg and Lucas done in the last 10 years to merit that kind of salary?"
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....the rumor of Mark Hamill co-staring in IJ4 turns out to be true. I'd love to see them acting together again, and since that mook Lucas has said he won't make SW 7-9, this looks like the only chance.
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Steven Spielberg directing Harrison Ford as Nick Shay in an adaptation of Don DeLillo's UNDERWORLD. I know not all of you (if even very many of you) have read the book, but it is heartily recommended, and I think would be a very mature work that would help both Ford and Spielberg step in the right direction at this point in their careers at their age.
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Jan 22, 2002 9:42:12 AM CST
OH PLEASE GOD,LET IT BE TRUE! I WANT THIS SOOOOOO BADLY!!!!!!!!!
by atlantis2001
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I know its going to be Harrison Ford, but would we have to have Harrison Ford to do another Indy movie? I'm all for getting the part recast...
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Fuh rill doh dog.
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was most likely the product of an open bar.____I won't lie and say I won't see Indy4 just because of Capshaw, but I won't be held responsible for my actions if she shrieks her way through another movie. By including Willie, it sounds as if they may, indeed, be setting it up so there is an heir to the title. Depending upon the results of Indy4, this may not be a bad thing as the saga could continue with a new action star, even without the presence of Ford in future movies. Ford's age shouldn't be a problem and I, for one, don't think he's lost a bit of his sex appeal. If we're lucky, Marion will return to kick Willie's annoying ass. That scene alone would be worth the price of admission!____Bee
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"Does it have to be Harrison Ford?"!!!!! .....yeah, maybe they should recast it with someone younger....I know, HAYDEN!!! He could do it....and maybe they could....SET IT IN THE FUTURE.....where artifacts and relics are WORTH EVEN MORE! And why are so many people conviced that spielberg and co will just dredge up some terrible cliches?? Like him passing the baton on to a younger adventurer!!! LOL, that will never happen! Come on people get a grip!
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Must be a lot of carbon monoxide fumes in all of your mother's basements that all you pathetic whining fanboys live in. First of all, you will ALL go see IJ4, just as you will ALL go see SW2:AOTC. Stop denying it, just stop it, because you know that it's true, if for know other reason than just to fill your need for smug self-satisfaction and brilliant, witty on-line film reviews like "Spielberg raped my childhood!" Good God! If your childhood was defined by a freaking movie, you just didn't have any friends at all, dude! Get outside in the sun and throw a ball around or something, ride a bike. Yeah, movies are great, and I love them too, but I don't walk around seething with anger at an actor or director. How about some perspective. It's just make-believe! Now, the screaming about Ford's age is just perplexing. Taken from the right point-of-view (and hopefully they will ask Night Shyamalan to write the script), you could do so much more with this character than ever before. Instead of Indy Jones getting out of trouble with his fists, he has to use his wits. Plus, you would have to think that at 60, his globetrotting days are far behind, so whatever gets him back out there would have to be something with huge stakes. I think instead of Nazis, you set the story during the height of the Cold War in the late '50s or early '60s and pit Indy against the Russians. HUGE stakes to get him out of retirement. Use his age to the story's advantage so it's not the same old fights, chases and escapes, but something more interesting. And as far as an advanced age being a hindrance, if Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns" ever got made into a movie, a 60-year-old action hero is EXACTLY what you would get, and you could do a lot worse than Harrison Ford as the elder Dark Knight. Just chill out, fanboys. It might suck, sure. If it does, don't go see it. But don't lose any sleep over it, and for chrissakes, put on your shoes, walk out of your mother's basement and spent some time outside in the sun!
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the inclusion of willy suggests that they will be pasing the baton on to another hero....er....how did you work that out??? There will be no baton passing, this has nothing to do with starting a new series of films with another star!! thats patently absurd!!! this is about making a final chapter, it will be about the characters we know and love, there will be no baton passing!!!
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People would start hailing it as the Japanese eqivalent of Schindler's List or Amistad or the Color Purple if Spielberg directed. If he wants to do more with Indy, by all means, go right ahead.
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Don't do it! Mistake!
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If Karen Allen were to be in it, I'd be excited. Ford and she had 10 times the chemistry of Capshaw and Ford. Plus their characters have a more interesting back story. Make this happen, Steve.
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I would put money on BOTH Karen Allen and Kate Capshaw being i the film. ANY MONEy, come on, I'll take you all on! Seriously, they will both be in it, it makes perfect sense.
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The only Spielberg/Charlie Band collaboration. If Charlie doesn't run off with the money first.
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This fourquel should try and determine what the hell A.I. was about. Oh, and if Capshaw is in it and Short Round isn't, I'm going to eat a monkey's brain.
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"hey lady you call him doctor jones" "MY professional name"
ahhh, temple of doom is very underrated.
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Mr Ford is a boaring bald fuck.
Mr Spielberg has lost his genuin SPARK !!!!!
Mrs Spielberg is......... !!!!! ?
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SO MY ENGLISH SUCK !!!!!!!
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Y'know I registered purely to comment on this. I love the Indy trilogy (it's not a fucking trilogy anyway - it's three separate adventures). I'm as happy as a pig in shit that they're getting round to making the fourth. But all this unmitigated horse jism about the age factor? Christ! A list of actors in their sixties who made credible attempts at tough, action roles. Big Tam Connery in the Rock - 65, The Duke in True Grit - 62 (and some of the other movies he made after that), Gene Hackman - Crimson Tide - 65, Clint Eastwood - Unforgiven 62 and In the line of fire - 63, William Shatner - Undiscovered Country - 61 (right, granted that last one might have come straight out of my arse). Why the hell would Ford be too old to play Indy? Set it in the late '40's or 50'S - BING BANG BOOM problem solved. Ford is at worst a solid actor at best he's a screen icon (the very fact that no-one wants to recast Jones proves that). I have no problems with the occasionaly groan as he jumps from a building or the occasional wince as he punches someone - one of the most endearing things about Indy is his vulnerability and humanity (rather than superhumanity). I have no problems about Capshaw being back in it - she was playing a character in Temple of Doom people. I very much doubt she runs about the Spielberg house screeching and knocking things over. Willie Scott was redeemed in my eyes as she wasn't a retread of Marion. How many people complain about the sameness of each and every Bond girl. Fuck it I love the Temple of Doom because it doesn't have Nazi's and it doesn't have the same structure as Raiders. I'm kind of glad that poor old Denholm Elliot wonn't be around to be turned into Nigel Bruce by the 4th one.
I hope that it's a good film, shite, I hope it's a stupendous movie. It cannot be compared to "JP2: THE LOST WORLD" - completely different concept, completely different scope. I think that Spielberg is as good a director as he used to be - I mean where does his good period end and bad period start? 1941 - sucked. RotLA - rocked my world. Colour Purple - good God in Heaven, Schindlers List - there is a God in Heaven. Hook - fuck. Jurassic Park - good. He probably needs better producers like he used to have. This Lucas witch-hunt gets on my tits too. Sure TPM was poor - Lucas is a bit too full of his own self of self-importance granted. But Christ where would ciname be today with Star Wars: A new Hope? Maybe he and Speilberg working together will work - it has before.
Harrison is a grumpy old man? Bunch of ageist cocksuckers you have here. I'd rather see an actor being dull, boring and grumpy than a room full of self serving grinning idiots like you usually do at these things. Ford is the man, Jones, Solo, Deckard et al are the characters.
Indy IV - will suffer from too much CGI that goes without saying. It will still have the involvement of three icons of the silver fucking screen attached. I don't know what it'll be like - I know what I want it to be.
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I want to be happy about this news. I really really do. And I think Harrison Ford
rocks, and would cheerfully watch him haul his 60 year old arse about the screen
rather than a dozen generic pretty boys. And if the script were good, great. However,
cannot be happy about the return of Willie. She was a dire character, and was (with
the help of Short-Round) responsible for making Temple of Doom almost completely
unwatchable - and I loved the other two Indy movies. Hearing this news is like
making arrangements to meet up with one of your hottest old flames - and getting to
the restaurant, sitting down at the table, smiling flirtatiously at him, and just as
you open your mouth to say "Hello", the most annoying person you knew in high school
sees you both and then sits at your table and talks non-stop about her PTA activities,
her eldest son's ringworm, the annoying little man that fixed the radiator in her car
and OVERCHARGED her for it, and this expensive French food is nice, she guesses, but
how about a little ketchup with it? In short, its the ultimate blown date. Jesus, it
would be better to have kept Capshaw and cast her as another character, if we HAD to
have her, which it seems we do. I thought the portrayal of her in the movie was
frankly misogynist - she really was utterly, utterly useless, self-absorbed, rude,
and selfish, which would have been okay if her character had ever grown up or
changed. If you'd told me it was Indy with Marion Ravenwood, however, that would have
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Jan 22, 2002 11:20:03 AM CST
"Dirty Indiana", "Indiana Jones And the Search For Godzilla", "I
by uncapie
Good grief!
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Another thing, Marion won't be in it - remember how her and Spielberg fell out during Raiders? She won't be there - live with it!
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I don't think an IJ4 would really ruin the series. Seriously, do you really think that it could be worse than Temple of Doom?
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That third one was pretty lame (Connery and Ford's bantering aside). I think they should just leave it alone. They had the heroes ride off into the sunset at the end of part three and that is where it should remain.
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Jan 22, 2002 12:10:46 PM CST
yeah, I also noticed Ford didn't look too excited during the
by spacephil
... then again, how many times in his career has he had to watch those same old clips, over and over and OVER again ?
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Jan 22, 2002 12:16:28 PM CST
"Ford is all of ours' childhood hero actor, wanting him to b
by sod off baldric
Does anyone even know what the Hell this means?
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It's ok for Sean Connery and Clint Eastwood to star as leading men in their 60's and now 70's, but HF is too old at 59 to do it? As long as they admit his age in the script and address it then I don't see a problem. BTW I don't know what Harry is talking about. HF was shy in giving his speech at the gloden globes, he's always been that way.
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I would hope this would happen.
BUT, I also hoped that King and
Straub would find some of the old
'Talisman' magic when they did
"Black House" last year. Boy,
was I wrong...possibly the worst
book EITHER of them have ever written. And with King's latest
efforts, that is really saying
something. May be time to leave
this franchise alone for another
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If Harrison Ford takes up his fedora and whipa again, the filmmakers should not shy from Indy's maturing age, but embrace it and develop it into the storyline, but don't scrimp on the action and suspense. Hell, add Sean Connery as Indy's father to provide balance to Ford's age. This could be Harrison Ford's last action/adventure/suspense outing, and Indy's last hurrah--time to workout those pecs and delts and blast those abs. It's showtime!!! (Personally, I don't believe Harrison Ford has come to grips with his aging persona as assuredly as Sean Connery has. Hopefully, this Indy run would provide him a graceful transition to the next stage of his acting career.)
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Jan 22, 2002 12:41:54 PM CST
Thelemite - this would be really ironic....IF Jesus had hunted p
by elgyn6655321
Sorry, couldn`t think of a better joke from that ep. right now.
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I would love to see Marion back. Too bad Denholm is no longer around. I'm just kidding about Jackie although it could always be Jet Li. :)
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Count on it.
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Harry, you're in the know. You of all people should realize that Harrison Ford HATES the limelight. He absolutely loathes attention and can't stand going to Awards shows. He's a very humble, honest and sincere man. He didn't want to be there. He hates being the center of attention. Why do you think he lives out in Wyoming and doesn't partake in the Hollywood kind of life? He still acts like he's a carpenter for God's sake. He just wanted the whole thing to be done with so he could sit back down.
Also, every time it's brought up, Ford says he'd LOVE to do Indy 4. Why would he lie? He's been honest about hating Bladerunner (which is why they barely showed anything from that on the show, you fools, man, you moviegeeks are kind of disappointing) so why would he lie about wanting to do Indy 4?
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But does anyone else think that being a major movie star is an odd career choice for "someone that hates the limelight"? Anyhoo, I didn't see the Golden Globes. I think he probably likes acting but hates the surrounding bullshit.
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much confidence in Ford's ability
to recognize "the right script"
when he sees it. He hasn't
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Jan 22, 2002 1:21:23 PM CST
Does anyone remember Indiana Jones and the Mystery of the Blues?
by jaxx man
Ford made a suprise guest appearance as an older, scraggly Indy for the tv show - taking place in the 1950s. Although it only lasted a few minutes, I liked the older Indy with the rascally beard - a lot could be done with the character if treated like that - I doubt they have any intention of trying to re-do the other films. This could be tons of fun and think of the TOYS that could come out!!!!!!!! and the VIDEO GAMES!!!!!!!
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It will just be pretty weird having a fourth Indiana Jones movie. The Indiana Jones trilogy has been established as classics, and then suddenly a fourth one will come along. Even if the fourth one is absolutely brilliant, I just don't think I'll be able to see the Indiana Jones movies as four movies. I'll always see it as a trilogy. Yeah, I'll definitely go see IJ4, and yeah, I think it will be good and I don't mind that Harrison's old. I'm sure Spielburg will figure out something to go together with Harrison being old. It just won't be the same as the Indiana Jones trilogy. There's no way.
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Specifically, it's well known that he dislikes Indy and especially the Han Solo role. Did you see him grinding his teeth and the body language while they showed the Star Wars clips?
Sorry Harrison...those roles only gave you your $25 million a movie career.
I mean, when was the last time Harrison did a good film? You go all the way back to The Fugitive.
I don't want to see an Indy 4. I don't trust Lucas or Spielberg any longer. Can you imagine? $40+ million would be gone off the movie's budget right away just for Ford and Spielberg alone.
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Come on man! Why don't you just make a sequel to Casablanca or The Third Man? Hey you can't go back to grade school. Sorry okay? Don't fuck up a great trilogy. And you know...they never really topped Raiders. And if it just turns out to be like fucking Lethal Weapon 4 where it's so far removed from what was intended that it's not even in the same realm then what will you all say? Maybe all those guys should get together and create a NEW action hero. Fat chance. Its all about the benjamins.
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I heard that he's writing the script for #4 - is that true?
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On the off, off, off chance that this actually happens, shouldn't it be Karen Allen in the present instead of Capshaw? I mean, I know she's not fucking the director, but if you're going to bring one of the two past love interests back, shouldn't it be the one from the better movie, who was a better character, and who had history with Indy? On the other hand, no use bothering with this or any other Indy issue; the picture won't happen.
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Jan 22, 2002 1:56:45 PM CST
Hey, with all these new drugs like viagra and such who knows wha
by nazismasher
I'll probably go see it if they make it, but if not that's no loss what with all the other movies to look forward to in the next 2 years.
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Character Comments:
Kate Capshaw - Her character screamed way too much. I got so sick of her "oh my Gods" and her whining. If she is in this movie, it should be that she came to Indy with a problem - but don't have her be a part of the actual adventure.
Short Round - I would love to see Short Round as a professor's assistant or as an assistant at a museum. Give him one great cameo. Don't have the Yankee hat appear in the movie. It would be too obvious of a thing to do.
Now my Indy idea had always been the following:
Indy is flying to some distant country and it gets intercepted by some attack plane. The plane chases them and because of a freak accident, their planes rub against each other sending them both down into the Amazon. There, Indy, the soul survivor has to struggle to stay alive. And once the search party goes out looking for the attack plane, they land in South America and hunt for Indy. Indy has an important artifact with him that he HAS to get to safety, and it turns out the evil search party is a band of Nazis who were hiding out in South America. Their plan - They have Hitler's brain and they want to transplant it into a man. They have imprisoned a great Haiti witch doctor who is rumored to be able to help aid in the brain transplant. Indy must rescue the Haiti man and get his artifact to safety. As it turns out the attack plane didn't find Indy by accident. They were hunting for Indy for weeks. It turns out, unbeknownst to Indy, his artifact is another key element in bringing hitler back to life inside the body of another man.
Bizarre or what?
Another sick idea by,
Adam Hackbarth
ahackbarth@accessus.net
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Indiana Jones and the Kidney Stone of Agonizing Pain
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Look up Short Round on the IMDb... the last thing he did was working as "Stunt Rigger" on X-Men. What a prestigious post-Indy career he's had.
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Jan 22, 2002 3:13:03 PM CST
ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygod........i`m getting a heart attack..
by drjones
when i opened my www mail box a few hours ago and i saw this subjektline of the countingdown.com newsletter i was ...breathless....!!!!!!!!!!
I WAS JUMPING UP AND DOWN I MY ROOM -- I GOT ONE GEEKASM AFTER ANOTHER -- I TURNED CRAZY....imagine all this produ
tion stuff like spy reports and and and.....
i`m a 16 years old girl(it`s time for an outing)
and in 1999 the christmas airing of the indy trilogy made me a geek....i remember when i asked
my brother the first time in my life for the director and what lucas and spielberg did for this movie....oh boy!
and now i`m a geek and in addition to that a die hard indy fan.
those years full with rumors....how many times i cheered in front of my screen to know thereafter that it was only an error....!
now besides all these doubts i have about a failing and completely disappointing indy 4...this day will stay in my mind.
oh..but i`d love to see the fottage of this interview with kate, steve and harrison...
ahh..and harry! cool to hear now some great words on the other harry.....
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The film will most likely take place in the 1950's or even 60's so Nazi's probably won't be involved. As far as Ford's age is concerned, I sort of hope that the film will play out like a less sombre 'Unforgiven'. 'Minority Report' looks awesome, and with all its flaws 'A.I.' was easily one of last years best. I hardly think Spielberg is finished. Lucas I'll give the benefit of the doubt until I've seen 'Episode II'. It's pretty well written in stone that Indy IV will be better than 'The Mummy', better than 'Tomb Raider', better than 'Allan Quatermain & The Lost City of Gold'. Beyond that we'll have to wait and see - after the three year gap between 'Wanking Captain Fuckface' and 'A.I.', it looks as if Spielberg's jumping into the film making race between Stephen Soderbergh and Ridley Scott, so conceivably the DiCaprio film (probably a relatively simple, action and effects spare production) could be out by next Christmas or so, and we could get Indy IV in Summer 2003. That would be really cool.
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Ben Affleck should replace Harrison Ford on everything. No, wait! Josh Harnett!
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Jan 22, 2002 3:44:54 PM CST
If Capshaw is back, bring Short Round, Marion, and Sean Connery
by ted striker
It's just and right. Maybe these appearances will cancel Capshaw's out.
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Jan 22, 2002 3:45:52 PM CST
So Kate Capshaw gets to come back? Karen Allen must be spinning
by elgyn6655321
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Jan 22, 2002 3:51:17 PM CST
Title: INDIANA JONES AND THE MUMMY. Show Brendan Frasier how i
by ted striker
Or maybe Brendan Frasier could meet up with Ford? Hmmmm.
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Lucas and Spielberg don't have to wait on the bean counters. They will simply pony up the dough from their own bottomless pockets, and because Spielberg knows what he's doing film will come in at well under $100 million and will barely need an advertising budget as Pepsi, Burger King et al will happily pay for the pleasure of promoting the movie themselves. When the movie grosses $800 million worldwide and does untold billions in merchandising and tie-ins, Spielberg and Lucas will keep just about everything. Those two don't get out of bed for a piddling $20 million.
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oh..after reading this talkback i
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even though this has been confirmed i'm still holding back all my enthusiasm on the off chance something goes wrong. Lucas better fall in line on this one.
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It's not funny! I've seen it done here hundreds of times and none of them are funny!
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Jan 22, 2002 4:33:29 PM CST
Maybe seeing the audience reaction those clips got at the Globes
by cash bailey
Go, fellas, GO!!!
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Damn, I'd pay to see that.
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If you look at Shortround's other credits, it says 'producer' of a short film called Voodoo. I clicked on it just to see what it was and it comes up as a short film directed by Gregg Bishop. I was in a 1996 USC summer class with that guy. I was an editor on a 16mm project he directed. It must be funny to make a film with someone who's main claims to are ingrained in everyone's minds. Everyone remembers that kid, and I mean everyone. Well, at least everyone who grew up in the 1980's.
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I mean, who's going to raise the kids. If Harrison Ford only lives another 20 years tops, then Minnie driver will be 50.
If you ask me, Life is too short anyway, and I rather would see Harrison Ford playing Indiana Jones regardless. I mean why not? He still is awesome, and he seemed to get warm to the idea as the Globe parties proceeded.
BRING it ON!.
BEN AFFLECK cannot replace him. He knows it, everyone knows it,
IT would still be a good Movie!
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Now I know there are many of you out there who cannot tollerate Kate Capshaw's abysmal 'Willie' character (I for one, found Capshaw's performance somewhere akin to causing seizures.). However, if that's the price I have to pay for Indy IV, so be it. But please...puh-leeeeze, have him be the cerebral, astute, charming, daredevil archeologist he was in "Raiders" and "The Last Crusade". In "Temple" Indy seemed very much less than the college professor he truly was (save two scenes--in the Indian village and at a dinner in Pancot pallace...rest of the time he was trading smarmy patter with his unlikely cohorts). Quite frankly if we should have to endure Willie, couldn't we temper her with Marcus Brody, Sallah and Jones Sr., for old time's sake.
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He played a much older Indy (with full grown beard) in a second pilot for the YOUNG INDIANA JONES CHRONICLES. It was set in the 1950's when he escaped from some gangsters and hid out in a shed in the snow.
The Indiana Jones movies are separate adventures. INDY 4 will probably be a different kind of film and will not be set in the scorching deserts featuring lots of big stunt sequences, but instead it will be more of a mystery thriller. Put Harrison in his Indy costume and shine some of that Spielberg god light on him and let Johnny Williams do his stuff. We'll be asking for the next one. -
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IJ4? Yeah, I'll probably catch it on DVD, and be disappointed, just like I was with 2 & 3. When are these "geniuses" going to realize that Karen Allen was one of the best things IJ? She was a real woman, a Hepburn to Ford's Tracy, unlike those pincushions in the following movies.
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He's always been like that in public. It doesn't mean he's bored, or tired. Just not a public kind of guy. And I'd be a little grim-faced too if I were ever given a lifetime acheivement award. It's like a freaking death-knell, like the final sign that everyone thinks you've done everything you can do. That's bound to be depressing.
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Capshaw's in it so that she can spring a surprise and introduce Indy to his now-20-year-old son he never knew about. Awkward bonding ensues, interrupted by, oh, I don't know, some crap about the lost continent of Lemuria or something. Get Hayden C. to play Indy Jr., box office gold!
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Not because Indy will be so much older... Not because it won't be a classic until several years after... But because this will be the first Indiana Jones film I've ever seen in theaters. I was born the same year Raiders came out, but my parents never took me to the movie theater, and so I saw the IJ movies on television before ever owning them. I think they ought to re-release Raiders in theaters before Indy 4 comes out, just to lessen the shock value...
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Indy 4 will EASILY top $100 in a 3-day opening weekend, that's about all I'll say about it. It'll make the Star Wars & Harry Potter openings look like "Destiny Turns On The Radio" As for the quality, eh... Even as a defender of Temple of Doom, does anyone really want Capshaw back? Oh, well.
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You know, I love Indiana Jones. He rules. When I went to do my degree, I was indecently attracted to the London Institute of Archaeology because they had a plaque in their labs declaring that it had been officially opened by Harrison Ford. Indy rules. Word. I've seen Raiders and Last Crusade about a billion times. But, gotta say, I've only seen Temple of Doom *once*. One *less* time than I saw The Phantom Menace. Once was enough, believe me. And it was almost entirely down to Capshaw and her little friend.
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What is with this "cried at the end while they played a sad song" thing? It makes me laugh, but I have NO idea where it comes from.
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Let me just say this bit for "older" people in action movies. Now you may not have liked it, but did you see Jurassic Park III? Probably. Do you know how old Sam Neill is? He just turned 60 a few months ago.
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...good ole Denholm Elliott. RIP.
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No really, let's consider this after in the midst of yet another eternally dull talkback of "Indy 4 will suck because they're old," "No it won't, YOU suck!" I think most of us know in our hearts that Spielberg, Ford, and Lucas all lack the interest to make this thing worth the time--for them AND us. Spielberg has remarked that he's out to please himself now, not audiences or peers, hence AI and Minority Report(not to mention that other film with Leo). While he's collaborating with interesting actors I'd like him to finally work with people like Michelle Pfiepher, Cate Blanchett, Meryl Streep(not just her voice), Jack Nicholson, Ian McKellen, Judi Dench, and Elijah Wood, all talented people he's never gotten around to working with as a director(it amazes me that Steven never worked with Wood when he was a child actor, he was at least as surprising as Haley Joel Osment). And Lucas will be tied up with Star Wars and the techno-tricks he loves for who knows how long. But Ford? What should he be doing with his career now? I can't see him doing Indiana Jones again because he'd play him like a cartoon. That's a very good point about 'showing his age on screen,' Harry. I've never really thought of it like that, but Harrison IS avoiding his age on screen. He's playing leading men but as unconvincing thirty/forty year olds. He needs to take on roles where he's lost his youth, maybe even when he's a washed up loser(that Anne Hech/Ivan Rietman thing does not count), like Micheal Douglas's role in Wonder Boys. He needs to play OLD men. He needs to quit playing the papa/family man role and go for the unwanted Grandpapa role, the guy who's over the hill, knows it, and maybe isn't all that happy about it. But I'm no agent, or career analyst. In the end it's all about what movies he's in, but he NEEDS to get out of his dumpy trend of boredom. Or maybe he should just quit. And Harry, you're REALLY right about his looking dispassionate about the roles that made him famous during the Golden Globes. I think he's done what any normal person would do, he stopped caring because he doesn't have to--he's famous and can make tons of money for a few weeks worth of work. Too bad, he'll never good on screen again if he's taken that path.
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Jan 22, 2002 7:48:42 PM CST
I hate being mean, but Jeff Bailey, you get the award for talkin
by captain katanga
Comparing making a fourth Indiana Jones to making a sequel to Casablanca or The Third Man is UTTERLY ABSURD!!! THEY WERE ONE OFFS!!! ARRRGGHHHHH!!!! And because theres a million to one chance that it turns out like Lethal Weapon 4, thats reason enough NOT to make it??? I just CANNOT understand people that think like this, how is it possible to be so NEGATIVE!? The Indiana Jones films are magical thrilling pictures, and more than any other films they are pefect sequel material. And if they can make another, then wonderful. And even in the unlikely event that Spielberg, having waiting so long to get a great script, ends up making a bad film, well, it doesn't matter, we'll still have the other 3. And for all you people constantly dissing Temple of doom (a GREAT film)... go and read Puline Kael's review. All three films are magic, and heres hoping they make another and get it right.
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Indiana Jones and the bitching talkbackers. Harriosn Ford plays Indian Jones, who has to protect two old men (spielberg and Lucas), from a group of zombie talkbackers, who claim thier childhood has been raped. I'd pay to see that.
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If I saw Temple of Doom, and hated same, how on Earth would reading some review by someone else change my mind? I mean, I've SEEN the movie! The mystery is over! The veil has lifted! I've exposed it to my own critical judgement, so why should I give a rat's ass what this woman thought? I'm sure she was a worthy chick, but... you just don't get it, do you? You can't just SHOUT at me because I don't like a film you liked. Cos I didn't like it. If you got the Archangel Gabriel to descend with the Heavenly Host and they all sang ""Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" rocks the house" at me, I STILL wouldn't like it. It just falls out that way sometimes. Accept. Move on.
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I mean, we all loved Indy back in the day, but it's over. It's so completely over, that even if they go through with this "product," it'll still be over. What happens when a director goes out on a limb to make a daring, provocative movie, and that limb snaps? He stays in the grass playing with crusty old toys, where it's sure to be cozy and profitable.
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YES! YES! YES! This is the best news I've heard all year with regards to Hollywood. A movie lover's dream come true. Harrison Too Old? Not F-ing lightly! Once Ford puts on those Indy Clothes and steps on set it'll be like stepping back in time. And Willie is back. Not so great as Marion, better than Elsa. Love to see Willie and Marion together. Who could be Indy's new love interest?
Over the years there have been rumours of Sandra Bullock, Julia Roberts, Michelle Yeoh. I hope that Kevin Costner rumour isn't true though. So I guess we're looking at a summer 2004 release.
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you bitches suck, if you gots no love for indiana jones, you gots no love. and about ford's globe appearance, did you ever stop to think that he might have gotten drunk before his speech, or did you just jump to assume he had a fucking stroke or something? seriously, you assholes want him to be perfect on screen, it doesn't mean he has to be perfect when he's in public. holy shit you people suck. harrison ford is the most legendary legend that there ever was!!!!!!! Indy 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 forever!!!1
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Kate Capshaw was NOT that bad in TOD. She played the part of whiny, spoiled star to a T.
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"She played the part of whiny, spoiled star to a T"... you know what? i don't know about the rest of you, but i don't LIKE "whiny spoiled stars" onscreen or off.
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I love this. I would love if people would just cut Harrison Ford some slack concedring the GGs. I said this on another thread, but I'll say it again. He doesn't like being the center of attention, he isn't out for ego-boosting accolades like 90% of the actors out there. So if he looked uncomfortable or out of his element up there it's because he was. He is not ungrateful, and he is not lethargic. I don't think he is too old to play Indy. Hell Sean Connery starred in the Rock when he was older than Ford is now. Most of you seem to want to bury him, well he aint dead yet. And how you know that the movie will suck is beyond me. I don't know what you expect out of Lucas and Spielberg, but you seem to have a "What have you done for me lately?" attitude. Lucas doesn't do Episode One to your satisfaction (How dare he not consult you first before creating Jar Jar!) and now everything he will ever touch will be crap, Because you deem it so, it will be done! What a load of pretentious crap. I truly believe that Ford can pull off another Indiana Jones movie and Spielberg and Lucas will do it right. I believe this because I have faith. I'll bitch about the movie being no good AFTER it comes out if it warrants it. But at least I'm waiting until it comes out.
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I defiantly want to see an Indy 4. I find the idea of a middle-age Indy realizing he's past his prime could be a good step for Harrison Ford making the transition to "older" roles ala Connery and Bogart and could give this film depth. Spielberg has said his inspiration for doing a fourth Indy is the near-classic film "Robin and Marion" where Sean Connery brilliantly played an aging Robin Hood, match by Audrey Hepburn as Marion (as a nun!) and Robert Shaw as a vengeful Sheriff of Nottingham. If Indy 4 was anywhere near as good as that film I would be a happy camper. What I don't like is the idea of Kate Capshaw returning as Willie Scott, sure her low-cut "Indian princess outfit" is one of the sexual highlights of my early youth second only to Leia's slave girl outfit but c'mon. The only reason I could see them doing that is because she's Spielberg's wife. If anyone was to return it should be Marion, of all of Indy's loves she was his best match. Also there's been rumors that Natalie Portman may play Indy's daughter and I think the spirited Karen Allen would make more sense as her mom then the wimpy Willie. If someone was going to return from Temple of Doom it should be short-round. After all he's a martial arts expert (he helped choregraph the Matrix) and martial arts are hot right now. Plus if Nat is in it as Indy's daughter he'd be the right age to be a love interest. Oh and BTW, Ford wasn't dropped from playing Jack Ryan. They presented him with a sub-standard script for "Sum of all Fears", he rejected it, they refused to re-write and so he dropped out. What I don't get is casting 20-something Ben Afflyk is screwing up the continuity. Who will be his wife? Do they have a daughter and baby son now? It's so fucked up. Heck Thora Birch who played Jack Ryan's daughter in "Patriot Games" and "Clear and Present Danger" is old enough to play a love interest to Ben. If they where to stubborn to re-write the script they could at least have ask Baldwin to come back. What really blows my mind is now Clancy says he's going to write a young her Jack now. I predict a quick death for both the book and film series. I don't plan to read them anymore if Clancy fucks with the continuity and I sure the hell won't go see "Sum" with ol' Benny-boy.
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I'll believe it when I see it. Mr. Ford is getting up there but with todays digital technology they could make him look years younger. And by the way I just saw the best concert DVD EVER!!!
NINE INCH NAILS: AND ALL THAT COULD HAVE BEEN this has to be one of the best DVDs ever!!!! -
Y'know, when George Lucas create the character of Indiana Jones, he hoped to use the adventure films as a way of exploring the word's major religions. So far he's covered Judiasm, Hiduism and Christianity with the first 3 films. Does Lucas or Spielberg have the balls to explore the next logical choice---Islam---especially in light of 9-11? I wonder.
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Memoirs of a Geisha is a great book and I am really disappointed I won't get to see Speilberg bring it to life. On a side note, I have never seen Harrison Ford be so uncharismatic in my life.
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First off, i'm happy that this film is actually looking like it will be made before 2005 (ford of course then will be way TOO old)and am a fan of the entire series. I've never posted here but always read what you fools say on here and how you think everything needs to meet your standards and has to be totally like the originals! everyone bitches about lucas ripping them off and phantom not being good but george has done the same things the same way his entire carrer (if anyone on here follows news on the next film they'd know that lucas isn't making this into a huge money making machine like the other 4 and isn't going to promote the films through fast food chains and other outside companies-i think frito lay is the only company promoting clones)also... it angers me to hear people bitch about menace being a letdown and expected it to be so much more (for me it was just like the other 3)remeber this...you were all probably young when you saw the original 3 and i'm willing to be if menace came out back then you'd love it as well! anyways...indy 4 is much needed because if you look at current mega movie franchises (really there are only two-lotr, and harry potter)they are dying out and speilberg hasn't really made anything of importance lately so it's a good time. who cares how old ford is! they are telling a story here and people do age in stories (indy isn't bart simpson and won't stay the same age for his entire onscreen carrer)and remeber that the story will probably take place about 15 years later. i'm sure everything will work out fine and each and everyone of your complainers will be lining up to see the next indy film just like you will for the next star wars film. you all probably will complain because of your way to high expectations but why not go into a film without those expectations? i'm sure alot of people's opinions would be totally different!
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First, what is the need to make this film? Hollywood's fascination with making a buck over making anything worth seeing is resulting in endless remakes and sequels... 5% of which are worth seeing. Why not make something original instead? As for Harrison Ford being shy and not liking to speak in public, yadda yadda yadda....OK we get it. But he was WINCING and CRINGING when his Han Solo/Indy clips were shown which shows he's embarrassed by them (and I saw him do the same on a Inside The Actor's Studio tv show which reviewed his career too). Now, I've seen him say in interviews that he wants to do Indy 4 so the only explanation of his actions is that he is simply a man who is a grouch and the fact that his attitude is getting worse with age makes him a ....grumpy...old....man. As for the titles, they're not willing to tell us so why not make up our own....besides they crack me up, I haven't had such a good laugh in a while. Lastly, I thought The Last Crusade (of which I can only remember the Connery/Ford arguing and the revealing of the blade at the end) was worse than Temple Of Doom which had many over-the-top scenes (the falling raft...ugh!) but it was all intentional and very fun and the whole film was filled with memorable set pieces.
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Jan 23, 2002 6:40:42 AM CST
So that's why The Hand Of Lucas eliminated George Hall from
by charlie & tex
...He's getting Harrison Ford to play "Old Indy". This project is a bad joke. The only positive aspect about this is that although Jeffrey Boam submitted one draft of the script before he popped his clogs, he can't screw things up any further. He was the guy responsible for the slimy abortion that called itself The Last Crusade. Let Indiana Jones have some dignity for Christ's sake.
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Didin't drinking from The Grail make Indy immortal, invulnerable and stop him getting old?
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Jan 23, 2002 7:56:33 AM CST
AliceInWonderland - They vill be found......YOU VON'T!
by captain katanga
It doesn't surprise me that you don't give a "rat's ass" about someone else's opinion. I'm not expecting you to change YOUR opinion (god forbid) I just think its a review worth reading; if I remember correctly Pauline Kael herself was baffled by some of the criticism the film got. In my opinion theres some seriously lazy thinking when it comes to Temple Of Doom... by today's standards it IS a terrific adventure film, full of imaginiation and featuring action staged by Spielberg at his best. The Mummy doesnt even come close. And yet people just jump on the "temple of doom is shit" bandwagon, simply because Raiders is a better film. Temple of Doom is NOT Phantom Menace. If you don't like Temple Of Doom, then you probably don't like Indiana Jones, and adventure films full stop. And thats fine. But if you are one of many who claim to love Indiana Jones, but also claim to hate Temple Of Doom, then I'll SHOUT all I like, because you are quite plainly TALKING OUT OF YOUR ARSE.
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and still think Willie is one of the most annoying, useless heroines ever?? I love all three movies, but have to admit the reason ToD is my least favorite is because of that clinging, whiny twit. It was an excellent adventure movie, but Willie still holds the top spot as most irritating character ever created in my opinion.____Bee
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Jan 23, 2002 9:09:53 AM CST
Red Scab is right, the NINE INCH NAILS dvd IS the best concert f
by vegas
Fucking unbelievably good. As close to "you are there" as I believe any concert film will ever be able to get. If you have a home theater system, THIS mother will put it through its paces, and the visuals are fucking BEAUTIFUL.
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Look, it's entirely possible to not like Temple of Doom and like the other two Indy movies. Look, I'm doing it right now. Watch me doing it. See? Easy. And as for this "hating Temple of Doom bandwagon" you seem to think is going on, maybe it seems like a bandwagon to you because quite a few people think the same thing on this subject. And I'm still hating Temple of Doom and liking the other two movies even as we talk... aren't I a marvel of multi-tasking? And don't dictate to me what I can and cannot like. I'll tell YOU what I like, okay? Not the other way round. So long as we're straight.
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Perhaps you should say you prefer raiders and last crusade to temple of doom, saying you HATE it and love the other two is a strange statement to make. I'm taking a stab in the dark here, but i'm guessing you're a star wars fan, and that you probably have a favourite amongst the trilogy, but that's not to say you hate the other two, you just prefer it, PREFER IT.
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No, I hate it. That bloody woman shrieking was like nails scratched along the blackboard of my soul. I mean, shriek if you have to, but she was also shallow, rude, and stupid. As I posted previously, I was only ever able to stomach Temple once. I don't remember all the bits of the plot that well, (having seen it exactly once, about ten years ago) but I do remember the scene where Indy, Short-Round, and Screamin' Willie are sat around the fire made me actually want to throw things at the television. You're bang on about Star Wars, though. I do prefer some SW movies to other ones. But I stand by the assessment that Phantom Menace, while not being terribly good and a film I have no desire to own, was still better than Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. Because the secondary characters in Temple make Jar-Jar look positively loveable.
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If i know katanga like i think i do, your comment about temple of doom being better than phantom menace is going to make him go ballistic - prepare for the fallout.
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Can't please all of the people, all of the time...
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Now, with quite a few gray hairs on MY head, how can I not take all this whining and yammering and goofing on "Gee, Harrison's TOO OLD" a tad personal? I've been browsing AICN for a while now, mostly for NON-SPOILER info and the downhome enthusaism for movies that Harry and the regulars bring. Occasionally I'd dip down to the Talkbalk for a few laughs, but this time I find myself having to wade into the fray to knock some fool kids'
heads. First off, how can you call yourselves movie fans and not see that the best work has always been done when the actors were older and more hard-bitten: Bogart (of course), but what about the Duke? Jimmy Stewart? Robert Mithchum? Clint Eastwood, for Crissakes!!! Cary Grant was silver-haired and starting to stoop when he starred in Hitch's "North by Northwest", still THE greatest adventure thriller in my book (not to mention being the blueprint for the Bonds). Cary nearly drove off a cliff, got strafed by a plane, hung by his fingers off Mt. Rushmore, outwitted the bad guys oh AND got the girl in the end. The other thing: one of the coolest things about the Indy character is the idea of seeing both the ancient past AND the 20th Century through his eyes. Indy isn't just another musclebound athlete but a guy with a passion and a brain who has a particular way of interacting with the rather treacherous world around him, no matter what age and what era. Ford's guest spot on the TV series as an older, frosty-bearded Indy in the 1950s was a real highlight, lots of fun. So I'm really looking forward to Indy4, though I must say Kapeshaw's presence...disturbs me (yes, I do think that TOD is the series throwaway). Harumph. -
...writes something about how Indy is supposed to be immortal because he drank from teh Grail, I'm gonna have to get angry. And you wouldn't like me when I;m angry. And for the love of God, just get Karen Allen back. I don't care how. If there really was some sort of problem between Spielberg and Allen, which I have never heard, just work it out already! That was 20 years ago. Now we gotta be stuck with Crapshaw?
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Phantom Menace better than Temple of Doom!! You're doing a terrific job of undermining yourself without my help. I'm not dictating to you what your opinion should be, but in the proud traditon of mudslinging and shitstirring in these talkbacks I am simply voicing MY opinion that you are talking solid gold horseshit. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion that phantom menace is better than temple of doom, and indeed your opinion that Howard The Duck is better than L.A. Confidential, and who could forget your belief in the superiority of Jack Frost over E.T.? And even as I sit here fondly recalling the countless quotable lines from Temple of Doom, I STILL think you're talking horseshit. Aren't I a marvel of multi-tasking?
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Indiana Jones and the chud of darren newsham
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Who will the bad guys be? Let's see, the story is supposedly set about 15 years after the first 3 films. That makes the setting some time during the 50's. Who were the bad guys of the world during the 50's? The Soviets? The Cubans? The Soviet Cubans?
Personally, I think they should make Indy about 80 years old and have him get caught up in the jungles of Nicaragua, searching for hidden temples and fighting off the evil Sandinistas! Embrace the "Ford is too old" argument by having the character aged about 20 years more than Ford currently is. That would be a hoot.
Seriously, though. I would rather have the risk of a weakened series than to play it "safe" and not have another film. "To have loved and lost is better to have never loved at all," or something like that. Anyway, at the end of the day, it's all about greed. MY greed for another Indy film. We'll see if it really happens though. -
Well, I stand by my own words, though not the words you seem so desperate to attribute to me. Else, why would I have written them? You're entitled to think its horseshit, and rant, and do what it is that you do, whatever that may be. I hate Temple of Doom. Saw it once, never want to see it again. Clear? I'm sorry my opinion causes you such pain and outrage. Actually, scratch that. I'm not sorry. You're a rude, mouthy pain in the ass. And this conversation is over.
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Jan 23, 2002 3:47:40 PM CST
Non Final Word to Katanga - I come not to bury Indiana, but to p
by aliceinwonderlnd
Okay, maybe I was a little over-the-top. I DO think that you are a rude, mouthy pain in the ass, but judging from your remarks in your posts, I think that's the effect you were striving for, so you should be grateful I noticed. But there is more to be said on this subject, cos maybe I didn't do it justice. Have you never seen a film that should have hit all the whistles and bells, but didn't? That just totally rubbed you up the wrong way? That was my Temple of Doom experience. And its lazy and reductionist to chalk it up to just Willie Scott, though she had a HELL of a lot to do with it. I didn't like how Indy poked that gun in her ribs in the first ten minutes. I didn't like how she snubbed that starving family in the village. I didn't like the way that Indy and Short-Round were so dismissive of her, even though I didn't like her. The fact that he would consider sleeping with her made me not like HIM. So, I was lost by the second act, and the movie never got me back. It just happens that way sometimes. And you love it, and it's cool, but everyone has films they just couldn't watch again for any money, and that's one of mine. And I did love the others, I wanted to shag Indiana Jones and have his babies. Part of me still does.
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Spielberg has publicly tried to disown Temple of Doom (although I don't mind it at all and think it is one of Harrison Ford's best performances). Spielberg has admitted many times that he went over the top with the direction, and HE is mainly responsible for Kate Capshaw's screaming and whinning. When Steve and George made Last Crusade they wanted it to be just like Raiders. INDY 4 will most probably be something completely different and perhaps better or else they wouldn't be doing it - what's the point?
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Spielberg has publicly tried to disown Temple of Doom (although I don't mind it at all and think it is one of Harrison Ford's best performances). Spielberg has admitted many times that he went over the top with the direction, and HE is mainly responsible for Kate Capshaw's screaming and whinning. When Steve and George made Last Crusade they wanted it to be just like Raiders. INDY 4 will most probably be something completely different and perhaps better or else they wouldn't be doing it - what's the point? I read a few stories about Karen Allen falling out with Spielberg and the whole Hollywood way of acting during the filming of Raiders. I suspect she WAS approached for the sequel but declined. Kate Capshaw CAN act and I think we should give her a second chance.
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what the hell, you're right I was being rude, I just like seeing my name in the subject headings of talkbacks I suppose. You are a greater gentleman than I. Let me take you out to dinner. I also want to have Indy's babies. WHOOAAA hold on a minute, this post sounding is far too gay. I think I'll pass on dinner....in fact I just want to go home to my wife! ................................AND HOLD ON YET ANOTHER MINUTE, it has just dawnned on me that you are clearly female.... for some reason I subconsciously assumed that anyone posting on an indiana jones talkback must be male. Maybethe clue was in your name, Alice... Oh god I'm dreadfully confused now. Please accept my apology for my ill mannered rants.
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Jan 23, 2002 11:48:36 PM CST
Ford pulls out, Spieberg happy, can now use who he really wanted
by casino_monkey
Indiana Jones 4? Why? We had a fantastic trilogy, and now we want to break it by making a lame, way to late, part 4? Don't bother let me point out why this shouldn't be made. 1) The trilogy as movies go are stonger than sequels and diffently stronger than part 4's. 2) Ford is way to old to be playing Indy again. It'll just come of as desperate and pointless. 3) Part 3 was Indiana Jones: The Last Crusade, a nice CONCULSION! 4) This movie will just cheapen the previous films.
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Y'know, I'm thinking about this Golden Globes thing, and two HF memories come to mind:
HF pitching his latest picture on Late Night with Dave and looking like he'd rather be having a root canal; and HF when he was kind enough to talk with one of my college seminars several years ago. This was during the filming of Patriot Games, and I recall that all we wanted to talk about was SW & IJ, while he mostly wanted to talk about Mosquito Coast & Presumed Innocent. How excited can we expect a guy to get while watching work from 20 yrs ago? Dontcha think we all would rather be recognized for what we're doing now, not what some earlier version of ourselves did in what was practically another life? (BTW, & I know I'm star f***ing now, he was a very nice, articulate man. I haven't missed any of his movies since.) -
What we really want is to see Senor Spielbergo direct a follow up to his masterpiece "Hook." Who's with me?!?!?!?!
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ford looked like that because he's going to be forever known as solo/indy! he's in a way typecasted forever and no matter how good he does or how much praise he gets the questions will always be there about those 6 films! ford got a huge round of applause when those films showed but the crowd went silent when his other films were shown like they didn't know this guy wasn't mark hamil or something! ford actually smiled when he saw some other clips like working girl but how many times a day do you think he's questioned about indy 4? i'm sure every press junket he's done since 1990 that question has been asked or a star wars question! of course he loves his work in those films (i think he's more please with the indy films because those were his big breakout roles and his trilogy)but he hasn't shunned off star wars like carrie fisher or the late alec guiness has! i mean look at james earl jones...he's still always asked to recite star wars lines. ford of course was the lucky star wars cast memeber to go onto make amazing films (it's funny because he was lucky enough to get into star wars)and he's gone onto to be one of the biggest actors ever (he's in 6 of the top 10 movies ever and #7 of course would've been e.t. but we know that story!)i think he is excited about another indy film and i think no matter what they will many times say this is the last indy film so both speilberg and ford can move onto other things. lucas of course said no more after ep. 3 but still people hound him and want another 3 but people never will understand that actors and directors don't wanna be held down by the same stuff forever (even steve guttenberg needed to get away from police acadmey but it was too late by the time they made the 5th one for him to get his carrer back). i for one am looking forward to indy 4 but it will in no way make me think differently about the 1st 3. people on here seem to anticipate way to much and most of the time those hugely anticipated movies get bashed afterwards because of the high expectations! i'm sure alot of people will bitch after the 2nd matrix comes out because it can in no way live up to what the 1st was because it came out of nowhere and changed so much and was so original and not on purpose but now they're trying to do it again just like the blair witch people did and most likely in a few ways fail! as for ford's age...who cares? this guy was in his mid-40's when the last indy was filmed and in his mid 30's when the 1st star wars was filmed! mid-40's is old enough to be anyones old fart dad so imagine your dad out there at age 40 playing indy...which is what ford was doing in his 40's and he still looks to be in amazing shape for a 60 year old because he works out and trains really well for his roles (he's probably been training for this since 1990). i'm pretty sure not that many people will be able to look as good as he does at 60 and get a chick like minnie driver who is half his age! indy 4 will surprise alot of people and i think it will be a huge return for him and make all the naysayers shut the hell up! oh yeah btw...SPIDERMAN WILL BOMB! it looks so awful and nothing like any of the other comic to movie films! this will bomb big time just like spawn did and it will make the caprin america and punisher movies look amazing! the stunts look goofy and spidey flying around looks so fake and i'm not even going to mention the green goblin because he speaks for himself! sam should've make another evil dead movie! i was so hyped about this film but it looks bad and way to comical and almost like a sequal to slackers or something!
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let me take your points one by one: "making a lame, way too late part 4" - you know its going to be lame do you? youre priviliged enough to have seen the script? "1) The trilogy as movies go are stonger than sequels and diffently stronger than part 4's" - brilliant logic. Because lethal weapon 4 was bad, they should not make indy 4? Even if they have a wonderful script? "2) Ford is way to old to be playing Indy again. It'll just come of as desperate and pointless" - His age will be integral to the story, thats obvious. they are not going to dye his hair and digitally remove his wrinkles. so HOW is he to old? he IS indiana jones, and he will be playing iny in his 50s. Are you so short sighted that you cannot imagine a way of successfully doing this? Did you warn Clint Eastwood not to make Unforgiven? I agree with your 3rd point. But...."This movie will just cheapen the previous films." - HOW? HOW? If its the worst piece of shit ever, we will SYILL have the other films. Why are you so sure that it will be rubbish? What if its a superb film, will that cheapen the others? What if its a fitting and thrilling finale for one of the best loved screen characters ever? I SIMPLY CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN BE SO FUCKING NEGATIVE.
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I'm a huge fan of Raiders, but Temple of Doom really sucked - and the blame can be laid at the feet of Mrs. Speilberg who screamed and wined her way through the film - irritating the hell out of anyone who wasn't a nine year old girl.
Bring back Marion, bring back Short Round (via Jet Lee), bring back Sallah, bring back Connery, hell bring back Denhom Elliot via a cardboard cut-out, but leave Capshaw at home. -
the vindication of indy4 from you some of ya guys is damn cool! that`s aicn talkback: although some of you don`t stop to "bitching" as you use to say it is quite better then in some german forums where the most people are SO SAD that indy4 will be made!!! but it`s still cool what you wrote sal120!!!
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Sorry but this movie is coming in WAY too late. Ford's sourpuss and somewhat less than articulate / passionate speech was bush league for a man of his stature. Plus, he's looking way old. As far as I'm concerned he started going downhill once he got that Gary Condit haircut with earring.
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Alright, alright, maybe I am way too negative, but can you blame me.
As movie lovers we have been slaped in the face over and over again with movie's that shoulda, coulda, woulda been good. I DO know to will blow cause history shows it will. If this movie is watchable again after I see it for the first time I will eat my hat & whip. We don't need another Indy movie. Quit while were ahead. I don't know if it was Phantom Meanace that killed faith in sequels (or prequals), I'm sure it goes back alot further. Anyway I would like this movie to be great, of course I do, but the chances are it most deffinatly won't.
Oh, and this is AICN talkback, and your surprised at negativity?!
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