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GOLDEN GLOBE Winners - FILM
Hey folks, Harry here with the GOLDEN GLOBES. I missed the first 40 minutes of the broadcast, but from my understanding is... here's how it has gone down thus far:
Jennifer Connelly (pant pant drool drool) won SUPPORTING ACTRESS for her work in A BEAUTIFUL MIND.
Jim Broadbent (pant pant drool drool) wond SUPPORTING ACTOR for his work in IRIS
And I've just seen a really cool trailer for THE TIME MACHINE that was just groovily cool. At the very least it'll look good.
Best Actor - Musical / Comedy--- come on Hedwig... come on.... GENE HACKMAN in THE ROYAL TENENBAUMS! That'd been my second pick, I loved Gene in Tenebaums... he rules.... Eww... look Austin Powers' daddy!
Michael Caine presenting for Best Actress - Musical/Comedy --- This'll go to Nicole... NICOLE KIDMAN won for MOULIN ROUGE!!! This is very very great! MOULIN ROUGE has become my second favorite film of the year in terms of CAN'T STOP WATCHING THE THING! I love this movie. Nicole is just a goddess! Look at her, she is so much hotter now that she is single... Dontcha think??
Nicole is so lying with Dick, she knows that she was going to win, there's just no way she didn't know she was going to win. SHE'S SOOOOO CUTE!
Audrey!!!! The real winner of Best Actress comedy... can't believe she wasn't even nominated.
Best Screenplay - The Winner is... A BEAUTIFUL MIND for Akiva Goldsman.... He's come a long ways from BATMAN & ROBIN!!! Congrats... Though I fear many of would have preferred for Christopher Nolan win for MEMENTO... but he won.
Not a film thing, but Jennifer Garner won for Alias, but here's ELEKTRA and she's cute as a button. So Elektra will be played by an Award Winning Actress... groovy!
I don't watch much TV, but that TARGET commercial was way too cool for TARGET. I really dug that ad.
Look it's Feyd-Rautha with MULHOLLAND DRIVE!!!
Naomi Watts!!!!! Yum Yum Yum Yum, Introducing Original Score for Motion Picture.... Come on Howard!!! Go GO GO GO GO!!! LOTR LOTR COME ON!!!! Winner is --- FUCK!!! CRAIG ARMSTRONG for MOULIN ROUGE!!!! ARGH!!! Damn Deaf Folk!
Ryan Phillipe said "Filopsey" when introducing the segment of THE MAN WHO WASN'T THERE. I love the word Filopsey!
Mike Myers and Cameron Diaz go COME WHAT MAY!!! I love that song to death and think it is such a rip that it can't win Oscar. They suck. Ewwww that Pearl Harbor song, yuck... And the WINNER IS... UNTIL by STING for KATE & LEOPOLD. Well it is official the Hollywood Foreign Press have ZERO Ear for Music!
Alex Baldwin made Jack Ryan famous before Harrison Ford did! Cool, DEAD HEAT ON A MERRY GO ROUND!!! He was the fucking bomb in that! "I ain't nobody.... DORK!" Hehehehe... HAN SOLO!!! FUCKING A!!!! Oh I get goose pimples watching him do that. He has no reaction watching that. He's just dead looking at that stuff. Weird... Come on... React, have a memory... He just shook his head at the STAR WARS reel... Indiana Jones time.... these segments are not very well cut. There's no real flow to them. Ford seems bored by these clips. WITNESS is awesome. I love him in this film. My favorite Ford performance in MOSQUITO COAST! I love him in this film! WORKING GIRL, my mom so loved this one. PATRIOT GAMES was actually the last film I saw with my Mom before she died. REGARDING HENRY... ugh... Where's FORCE 10 FROM NAVARONE???? Ah, THE FUGITIVE, the first film I saw at the Chinese Theater in Hollywood. AIR FORCE ONE - I wonder how this film would play to an audience nowadays... EWWWWWWWWW --- SIX DAYS SEVEN NIGHTS? That movie fucking sucked ass! Where's BLADE RUNNER, FRANTIC, PRESUMED INNOCENT? WHAT LIES BENEATH... How can you do a tribute to Ford and not show BLADE RUNNER, FRANTIC or PRESUMED INNOCENT? LAME! LAME!!! Show a clip from his next film! There's a small clip from BLADE RUNNER and PRESUMED INNOCENT.... Now Ford is gonna go up and accept the Cecil B Demille award...
I'd pay money to see him light up some Halfling Leaf on stage! Well, let's see what he says, "Sit Down Please, sit down, I'm too old to wait" "My luck is holding out, I'm nominated in a category where the competition was dead!" overall a very very dry speech.
Fiennes is presenting for Best Director, can't wait to see his Cronenberg film this year..... Go Peter!!! This will be the most interesting category... Who is it? ROBERT ALTMAN wins for GOSFORD PARK. Ugh, I'm not a big fan of GOSFORD PARK. I am not a fan of dry British satires... But I love Robert Altman... anyone that made POPEYE and SHORT CUTS and NASHVILLE and MASH... Well, is awesome.
I guess at this point there is pretty much no way LORD OF THE RINGS is going to win anything at the GOLDEN GLOBES... oh well
Kevin Spacey did a great classy tribute to Ted Demme! Kevin is class all the way around. Love that guy! He's here to present BEST PICTURE - Musical Comedy -- I can't believe LEGALLY BLONDE got nominated here... What a weird as hell nominee... Go MOULIN ROUGE!!! I don't think there's any doubt that it won't win. There would be bullets fired if LEGALLY BLONDE won... The Winner is... MOULIN ROUGE!!! Yippeee!!!!!!!!!!
Tom Hanks presenting Best Actress in a Drama -- Go Nicole! The winner is Sissy Spacek for IN THE BEDROOM. I really can't agree with that one. Halle Berry was amazing in MONSTER'S BALL as was Nicole Kidman in THE OTHERS... and personally the best actress of the year was NAOMI WATTS Dammit!!!!
Kate Winslet is so cool and perfect to introduce the LORD OF THE RINGS clip. Ok, here's the clip... Oh, I hate that it is a assembly clip, I'd have done the Gollum/Frodo/Gandalf talk in Moria. DAMN. DAMN! Elijah looks happy!
Ian rules, here's McKellen for Best Foreign Language Film -- AMELIE better win because DEVIL'S BACKBONE isn't there.... Oh... NO MAN'S LAND won. I guess politically right now it is the preferred winner, but it wasn't one of my faves of the year. But a Bosnian film winning is way cool.
Best Actor being presented by Annette, she's looking good tonight... as usual... The winner is RUSSEL CROWE for A BEAUTIFUL MIND. I suppose out of that list, he's the winner but Eric Bana should have not only been nominated, but should have won for CHOPPER. Crowe was excellent!
Ok, now it is time to begin the praying for BEST DRAMA...
Here's Mel Gibson to present Best Motion Picture - Drama SELECTED Please win please win please win.... A BEAUTIFUL MIND won. Congratulations goes out to Ron Howard for winning, though it isn't my first pick... I have to admit at this point I am not at all suprised that it won. Brian... move so that Ron can talk! Move!
Let Ron Speak! Let Ron Speak
Now, let's all hope that Ron makes that John Sayles ALAMO script!
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Pretty good so far!
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SWEET!
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jennifer is very hot, she sizzled on letterman... all the winners look good so far, very glad about jim winning!!
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Lets hope it gets its deserved share of awards!
Now I just hope I dont jinx it! -
can't do either here in australia, neither are on!! bugger
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Maztor, I'll share the blame for the jinx with you if it loses.
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hehe lets hope it doesnt loose!!
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nolan so deserved to win for memento, surely one of the most original scripts in years, and it was good too!!!
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Jan 20, 2002 9:17:47 PM CST
Okay - count me in: Christopher Nolan shoulda won for Memento..
by smugbug
A Beautiful Mind? Oh, so that may mean it won't win the Globe fer Best Picture -which might mean, that a certain "fantasy" film may get the globe. Hmmmm. And yes, Audrey Tautou shoulda been nominated for Best Actress, Comedy. Nicole, I think, shoulda been a top contender for The Others. Great film. Where is that one in the other categories? Hmmmm. You know, awards shows always brings out the "hmmm" in me.....
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watching harry update with you guys is more fun than watching the show ^_^
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At least Charlie Sheen looks genuinely mortified when his dad intentionally and jokingly announces his name as the winner of Best Actress in TV Drama. What the fuck is up with all jittery camera work and quick editing prodding the guests around their embarrassingly mugging faces, breasts, crotches and asses?
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Yeah I noticed the crap camera operators.... wierd...
and it is fun doing this Teapot! -
gotta love women in formal outfits
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GO GO GO!!
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well....that sucks.... but Moulin Rouge deserves it as well!
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beautiful mind and memento were both just ok imho, but memento had a much more original screenplay. shoulda won.
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ROCK! This makes me happy as a fucking clam! allow me to do my happy booty shake dance! GO MASSIVE ATTACK!
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Jan 20, 2002 9:28:05 PM CST
to hell with hedwig... ewan should have taken that... and damien
by theyak
the golden globes are becoming just as retarded as the oscars... wtf
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There was actually an original score in Moulin Rouge?
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Moulin Rouge, while being a fantastic film, did not deserve the composer award. It was basically just a remixed version of old music with the exception of Come What May. Howard Shore, you were robbed my son!
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Does anyone think that that bit with hollywood patting themselves on the back was a bit much? Maybe they should be saluting the troops or the countries supporting America in these hard times rather than patting themselves on the back. I love film, but come on.
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I haven't seen the movie, but I thought most of the music & songs originally had nothing to do with the movie, were adapted for the film?
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You know, I'm just as quick to shit on the Golden Globes as anyone else, but you guys would suddenly be shouting from the rooftops how awesome Globes were if LOTR was picking up any awards.
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GO LOTR!!! GO ENYA!
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BAH!!!! Sting the bastard!
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Why do these award shows persist in adding animated cahracters thinking it is funny?!?
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well its best picture that really counts, right?
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heres hoping...
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Moulin Rouge wins for best original score, but loses best original song to Kate & Leopold? They have to be mixing up the envelopes!
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Man is she a babe!!
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What the fuck is going on??? 24 should have taken best drama hands down... What a dissapointing night. (And not just because of LOTR, but that hurts too)
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How and why was this thing was even included, I couldn t begin to tell you
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awesome actor hands down....
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He kinda looked stoned right then.
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Harrison Ford. A good choice as usual, but this is that part of the awards show that always chokes me up. I guess I am as bad as Harry when it comes to the life time achievment stuff and the segments honoring those lost in the last year.
Speaking of which, how cool is it that Kevin Spacey is wearing a tie with Ted Demme's picture on it tonight? -
well no Lord of the Rings wins yet :(
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And Ron Howard is crying... How sad.
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jackson or baz deserved that. but at least they didn't totally sell out and give it to ron howard...
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I've got a bad feeling about this:(
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Jan 20, 2002 10:20:44 PM CST
Akiva Goldsman over Chis Nolan in Best Screenplay win?!?
by fd resurrected
That hack wrote BATMAN & ROBIN! The travesty that led to the downfall of Batman movie franchise! Akiva sucked Ron, Brian and Universal execs' cocks by glossing over John Nash's bisexuality in the biography book in the name of Hollywood-style true-event whitewash and bullshit political correctness! Chris wrote the script from his brother's story and the result is an intriguingly original concept - BACKWARD STRUCTURE! Star- and studiofucking is all Golden Globes' all about! Another reason Hollywood Foreign Press must not be taken seriously!
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PJ got all dressed up and put his shoes on for nothing. Oh well always next year and the year after. I hope the Foreign Press realise how much of a trial it is for PJ to wear a shirt and pants. They're a rare thing here in NZ, pants. Shoes are practically unheard of. They should have rewarded the effort. Bastards!
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Way to keep your finger OFF of the pulse of true film fans GG... Eat my ass.
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this is starting to suck majorly.
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Altman is a true visionary where Jackson is an interpreter.
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... if Peter Jackson is wearing shoes with his tux? If he is, I think it time to take them off. Robert Altman, Hollywood bad boy that he is, deserves some acclaim before his time's up. So, I'm a little happy for him. No way Gosford Park deserves Best Pic, though.
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I could have accepted Baz winning over Jackson(maybe), but Altman?.......his best work was ages ago.........damn
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Jan 20, 2002 10:26:57 PM CST
ROBERT ALTMAN??? oh for god's sake they are taking the piss.
by captain katanga
I HATE the way a film like LOTR gets overlooked because it's fantasy/children friendly. Its a better film than Gladiator or Braveheart, but of course they had a tenuous historical aspect. BALLS TO WHOEVER PICKS THESE GODDAMN AWARDS. Actually maybe I'm jumping the gun slightly seeing as best film hasnt been announced.
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WOOO! Good movie!!
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You gotta give it up to him for tipping his glass for Ted Demme. He'll be missed
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Hey..at least they got one right tonight.
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Moulin Rouge totally deserved that. Wonderful movie.....whooop....whooop....whooop
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He is on the bottom of the list, of deserving that award. Why does everyone think he is such a genius...the frighteners? Lord of the Rings was pretty good but I'd like to see him handle a movie without special effects..he can't compute...
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The next X-Men film is called "Moulin Rogue" btw
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^^ but in a movie WITH effects he handled it beautifully! I mean cmon! Not just ANY director coulda pulled off three movies at once....
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Merlin Jones is talking out of his armpit!!
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Very classy of Spacey. I am surprised that Baz Lahrman had a wife, I took him for a flamer. I think Opie got robbed, Beautful Mind wasn't all that but I think he deserved it. BTW Altman is a hack. I like Nashville and Short Cuts but all his other stuff is just garbage. (Why is The Player so revered? I thought Swimming with Sharks and The Big Picture were much more dead on about modern Hollywood) I'll give him credit for hangin in there for all these years though. Popeye? Cmon Harry that was the first movie I walked out of, I was 7. Sissy Spacek is kind of a babe, I'd do her daughter. I am rooting for Denzel. F Will Smith and Russel Crowe. Go Pats!!!
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Jan 20, 2002 10:37:41 PM CST
am i the only one that thought Moulin Rouge was so bad i couldnt
by tonyd1441
isn't there anyone else out there that didnt like this movie?
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Give it up with your praise..it is okay to love a film and think in your opinion, that someone deserves an award..but c'mon..Lord of the Rings is and will always be an above average adventure film...Speilberg would have made a better version..
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I still can't believe Akiva Goldsman won a Best Script award for A Beautiful Mind. There are four worthy nominees in the category than that hack motherfucker! Whoever wins the award BUT Goldsman will get my applause! Akiva and Joel Schumacher responsible for making my brain jitter like a fucking Jell-O with indescriptable frustration and rage that I wasted $6 on an atocious PIECE OF SHIT called Batman & Robin on the opening weekend in June 1997! FUCK YOU! I taped Alias on ABC. Chant with me: QUENTIN TARANTINO! QUENTIN TARANTINO! QUENTIN TARANTINO!
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Jan 20, 2002 10:39:25 PM CST
Merlin Jones, I tolerated your first comment, but youve gone too
by captain katanga
LOTR is a wonderful piece of direction. Why the hell are you talking about the frighteners??? LOTR is a greater achievement in direction than gosford park. Its got nothing to do with altman's past work...we all know he's great. But Jackson's direction is thrilling, imaginitive and graceful. This pisses me off. LOTR will go down in history as a classic, and people will look back and say "gosford park"??? what were we thinking? There is a precedent for this kind of thing of course... Gandhi winning best picture over ET.
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I don't know all of what the composer did for the film's music (he mixed the songs together, but does that count?), but I will say Howard Shore didn't deserve it. I love Howard Shore's stuff, but I was completely blown away that his LOTR score was amazingly lackluster. As a musician, I found the score to be sadly lacking. I think everyone who praises the score needs to re-evaluate the music, because it really isn't all that impressive.
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Ok, A Beautiful Mind was good, Ron Howard deserved best director, but how in the hell is that screen play based on a book, and on a person's life, how is that better than the original genious work of Chris Nolan?
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Jan 20, 2002 10:41:19 PM CST
Harrison Ford looked like he had a dildo up his ass...and it did
by fatal discharge
Why doesn't this man loosen up? Geez, even Robert DeNiro who was infamous for being dour and monosyllabic actually smiles and jokes around now...yet Ford still never cracks a smile. Saw Ford in "Inside The Actors Studio" and they left out Blade Runner on that tribute too while they included the odious Regarding Henry. I guess sci-fi doesn't qualify as being honorable unless it makes a zillion dollars like Star Wars.
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I get it, they're saving the best award for "The Fellowship of the Ring"...Just wait and see:)
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I am not going to cliam that PJ is the greatesst director of all time, just the best director this year.
I love many of Altman's films, but this one was just formula for him. He was in a room with a bunch of great actors who could have done their jobs with one hand tied behind their backs.
PJ had great actors too, but he had the challenge of bringing a revered work to the screen. That is a challenge because usually the books are always better than the movie. PJ also had special effects, a huge cast, locations, animals to get into frame, and a host of other challenges that I just did not see for the other directors this year.
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People in 20 years from know will be discussing the techniques and ambition of Altman, including Gosford Park which in my opinion was a better more enjoyable film than LOTR. People will remember LOTR in the same way people remember the Sinbad movies..yeah they were pretty cool...
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The Hollywood Foreign Press FUCKED up the Best Actress-Drama award!!! Last year, they give Bj
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Harrison Ford could easily be replaced by any piece of wood in the world....Terrible
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Or they will remember it as they do Star Wars, a movie on the same level as LOTR...
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Jan 20, 2002 10:45:13 PM CST
oh great now we have some real wise words from ashok...
by captain katanga
The reason people think LOTR should win awrds is because it IS a superb film. For christ's sake, i'm no geek and i never read the books, but i know great cinema when i see it. Why do people like you feel the need to mention other films? LOTR dopes not suffer from the story and script problems that plague private ryan (although that is still a v good film).... there is no argument in the film world... most of the directors of the films you mentioned would LOVE LOTR. Have you seen the reviews of LOTR on rotten tomatoes??? It is a great piece of cinema, and a great piece of direction, and just because i'm saying that DOES NOT mean I think its the "best film ever"....
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it already IS like Star Wars to my 6 year old cousin. and lots of other 6 yr olds out there.
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BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT, ETC.
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If these voters think that Gosford park has this great of a cast and directing then maybe I will have to see it. A Beautfiful Mind and M.R. have about 4-5 each
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I hated the marketing campaign also. But the movie was mindblowingly good IMO...yay
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I'm prepared to tolerate most opinions, but its hard to take you seriously when you say that LOTR will be remembered the way we remeber the Sinbad films. I'll ask again: did you see the reviews for lord of the rings?? people may look back on sinbad films affectionately, but no one claims they are great pieces of cinema. I find it hard to believe that youve seen LOTR in fact....
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GO GO GO!!
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WAHHH!?!?!
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Jan 20, 2002 10:54:27 PM CST
the reason harrison ford hates star wars is because he KNOWS luc
by theyak
you know it's true... that man can't direct for shit... you KNOW it.
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Oh well, it could be worse.. they could have nominated and voted A.I. to win best picture...
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WAAAHH! Maztor we DID jinx it!! vgh,fjudrhuaihdu (pounding head on keyboard)
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reviews don't make a classic..in fact if you were to go back and look at the review of the Sinbad series or Jason and the argonauts..they got really good reviews..I'm just trying to say..LOTR is a classic novel...therefore the movie will be remembered..not because it is so great..but because of the novels. Anyway look at the reviews of past Altman films mostly mixed..however Nashville, MASH,McCabe and Mrs. Miller, and the player are all considered classics..time will tell..and what happens when the special effects become dated? Special Editions..come on..
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Theres still the oscars!! *crosses fingers!*
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Well, damn, they need to thank Fincher for setting the groundwork.. Pitt was there, so I guess it's only right..
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LOTRs effects were done right in the first place so they won't have to "update them"...HAHAHA
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Yeah, so i made the conscious decision not to watch this, spent 29.95 to watch the WWF Royal Rumble only to find it more lackluster than it should've been(Triple H won, for the curious)...so, i log on here, just to check if I've missed anything worthwhile, and hey, big shocker, i havent. I have no idea really about the TV awards, and personally dont really care....Buffy wasn't nominated, and I've already heard that 24 got screwed. What else is there to know? But already, the complaints are many. Even the AFI had to intelligence to give Christopher Nolan the best screenwriter's award...so, they gave it to the man who ruined Batman...ech. fine....gave best score to Moulin Rouge(bullshit), gave best actress drama to Sissy Spacek(bullshit, THAT award belonged to Nicole Kidman, not best actress comedy/musical)...though, i must say, Jennifer Connelly's looking especially lovely tonight...and A.I. got screwed, dont give a damn what nobody says....ooh, wait...best picture drama....::crosses fingers for LOTR:: ............A Beautiful Mind..............screw you guys I'm going to bed. screw the rest of this rant. This is live in L.A., right? Yeah....I'm just gonna go grab my Tool CD, and program it to repeat track 11 for tonight....yeeah...that'll make me feel better.....Revolution is my---fuck it, i'm too pissed....Learn to swim Hollywood Foreign Press...
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and btw... Harry, you should be raped in the ass by John Holmes' aids infested corpse for the GODDAMN POPUP/UNDER ADS. what? the royaties from the faculty not paying the bills?
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ok ok... but still. totally, totally snubbed???
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Jan 20, 2002 11:01:57 PM CST
Snoozer of an awards show, but it was still worth it to see Pete
by butch_mctavish
Guest the foreign press (whoever they are) has it in for LOTR.
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by awards ceremonies..... the kind of snobbery that dictates that if a film is aimed at children, it must be inferior. Merlin, dont get me wrong,i love altman....but you keep mentioning his great fims which frankly have nothing to do with this. Steven Spiielberg has made classics, but that doesnt mean AI is a good film. The Sinbad comparison is patently ridiculous, the film is about a lot more than special effects. And the reviews for LOTR DO matter: most people recognise now that its a very good film. It is a superior film to gosford park, and a greater achievement in direction. But we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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and most likely your panties covered the entire screen...
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Jan 20, 2002 11:03:18 PM CST
Looks like the voters knew what they were doing...LOTR SHUT OUT!
by atticus finch
Looks like I wasn't the only one who thought this film sucked!
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you only wish that were true.
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I saw A BEautiful Mind and it was fantastic, if LOTR didn;t win I am glad it was this one. A Beautfiul Mind is really an amazing piece of cinema. Russel Crowe deserved the Best Actor nod becuase his performace in ABM was like 10 times better than his performance in Gladiator. I am not surprised Mulon Rouge won so many awards, I mean look at thier compition... if they had to reach and pick Legally Blonde as a Best Picture nominee then yeah. Memento and Christopher Nolan definately deserved to win for Best Screenplay but nooooooo A Beautiful Mind had to be a great movie. Oh well. Ian McKellan should have gotten nominated for a supporting actor award, Memento should have been nominated for Best Picture and Best Director. LOTR was screwed out of ANY awards and there WILL be hell to pay if the same happens at the Oscars, believe me. Anyone else think that these awards kinda all went the wrong way for the most part?
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This ain't cool news!
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Harrison hates Blade Runner. Hates it. And he hates people who like it. I read a quote from him in the Boston Globe a few years ago where he said, "I played a detective who did no detecting. Some people like it, and I guess that their perogative." Oh well. He still was in American Graffiti, The Holy Trilogy, Raider, and my favorite Witness. He hasn't been good since Witness. Anyway, he's stiff as a board, ingrateful, and dour, but I like him.
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Jan 20, 2002 11:04:46 PM CST
Wow, some night.. Watched Brotherhood of the Wolf, then LOTR aga
by lordhoban
Interesting evening.. I liked Brotherhood, pretty good film.. LOTR as usual kicked ass (been watching it 1-3 times a week since it came out).. but damn, whoduthunkit, Fight Club 2, with Russel Crowe, Ed Harris, and Jennifer Connely running around the past of one man replacing Edward Nortan, Brad Pitt, and Helena Bohem Carter.. truely, an interesting evening..
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That was a last ditch insult by a small, pathetic boy who doesn't know what he's talkign about yet thinks he's all that.
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I just didn't get it. Why Russell Crowe again? He was much better in Beautiful Mind than Gladiator (overblown comic book movie, good but not award material IMHO), but they should have give it to someone else. I wanted Denzel real bad, so good in Training Day.
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The reason I chalk up LOTR as a pretty damn good film but not the best of the year is this: it is weak on characterization. I've said before that the movie probably plays as a great companion piece to the novels. Anyone who has read them have all of the stuff ommitted from the novels for lengths sake. If you haven't read the novels however, characters like Boromir and Legolis and Erwyn (or whoever Liv Tyler played) just seem kind of dropped into the film, acting all serious and deep even though the film does very little to tell us anything about them. If you've read the novels, sure, they're already well fleshed out characters, but no thanks to the movie. I really enjoyed the movie, but more as a spectacle. It was beautiful to look at and even quite engaging, but mostly because of the performances of Elijah Woods and Ian McKellan. Two great performances do not a Best Picture make.
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Did any LOTR fan who thinks A Beautiful Mind is just typical crap actually see the film? Best movie I saw this year, and yes I did see most of them.
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if it were true, maybe he'd have a chance with me, i guess is the motivation there.
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Are you kidding? Wow, I feel sorry for you buddy..I'd hate to upset you with a few words..didn't realize you were so sensitive..my apologies. If I knew there were mildly retarded talkbackers on here I would have toned down my words..again I apologize. need a tissue?
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I don't know why anyone expected a fantasy film to get any respect, like they ever do in Hollywood.
Anyway, I don't foresee any Oscar wins in the LOTR's future, but probably nominations. I think the majority of the "oscar" and basically "award caliber" stuff is in the last two films anyway, definately not in the first one. -
no need to jump to conclusions or anything... all Im saying is its pretty immature to insult someone because they have a different opinion than you. Anyone who is mildly grown up (or not a complete ass) would make comments like that. Someone who is mature would stand up for someone, or at least not let someone just sit there and insult someone for no apparant reason.
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Just to point out, and it is really just a point of clarification. Legolas and Boromir simply pop up in the book as well. We get very little back story on Legolas, and what we learn from Boromir we learn in the movie in condensed form. In that regard, the movie does keep close to the book.
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typo in my last message! sorry :)
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g'night maztor
thanks for the fun TB
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It was good.. definitely a toss between it and LOTR, no other competition, really.. good films, the both of them.. and it's not every day Fight Club gets a sequel.. Haven't seen Moulin Rouge or Gosford Park, but still, I fail to see them as serious contendors (they might be good films, but how can they hold a candle up to the first two mentioned?)... Why wasn't Brotherhood of the Wolf nominated in the foreign film catagory? Or will they save that for next year's competition?
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I think it's time for bed now, don't forget to go potty first.
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Yeah, apparantly skizophrenia only works if someone triumphs over it to win a nobel prize instead of triumphs over it to completly destroy the economics of America....whatever. I say FINCHER WAS ROBBED! lol Here's looking forward to Panic Room.
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It was so wonderful to see it take home the award for best picture musical/comedy, actress and musical score. I'm so glad the Globes rules about music are less restrictive than the Oscars, and Craig Armstrong did a phenomenal job reworking the songs into something fresh and original, not to mention the beautiful "Come What May." I was severly bummed out that Ewan didn't take home his award, though. I liked the Royal Tenenbaums, but Hackman has done better work. Had Ewan been competing against Crowe in the category I could deal, but his work in MR is so breathtaking compared to Hackman's in Tenenbaums and so *crucial* to that picture's success that I am dumbfounded he didn't receive more acclaim than he did. Altman for Gosford Park? A surprise to be sure, since I felt Howard deserved it but Gosford Park was rather quirky and brilliant in its own way. Russell Crowe, Jennifer Connelly, and A Beautiful Mind.......oh yes. Truly, the best pictures of the year was honored. "No Man's Land" taken home the foreign language award--brilliant film, brilliant choice. As to what film didn't win any awards, I shall remain silent for it's enough to know that it's killing all the nerds who said FUCK YOU to me on that other thread. Sorry Harry. I know you liked it.
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what did he do that was a tribute to Demme????? Someone please let me know!!!!!
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See ya around...
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Excuse me if I missed it but is Fight Club 2 coming? I keep seeing people refer to it.
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I loved LOTR and do feel it was snubbed at least for Director, but look at the other good movies that got snubbed too. Momento, Mulholland Drive? Three excellent movies that were snubbed because I think critics get too locked into one type of movie that they vote for. A beautiful Mind is probably a good movie (I love Ron Howard), but its the same old melodramtic crap. There's nothing original about its appeal to critics. They don;t have the balls to give something that is truly original like Momento or Mulholland Drive their do, and they really aren;t about to give in to what the common man loves like LOTR. The Oscars will probably go the same way but I hope not.
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LOL! Oh bitches, bitches, bitches, why art thou schooled so easily? Say goodbye to all LOTR major awards hopes! LOL! (**WHIP-TASH indeed!!**) -
Seriously man, I like the scoops and other good things on this site, but your grammar and choice of words are so fucking shallow and immature. Oh, and buy Frontpage or some other HTML editor that actually has SPELLCHECK!
My two bits:
-Harrison Ford: what the fuck was wrong with him? He acted like his dog just died.
-Am I the only person who hated Moulin Rouge? It was an overcooked turkey. That whole Nirvana song mix in thing at the start turned my stomach.
-LOTR would not reasonably win here kids, let's get serious. I am as big a fanboy as the next, but it wasn't even original material. -
In fact, medically speaking I am a complete ass. From my knees to my forehead is complete ass. I bet your face is red...
Anyway I din't realize you were the Guardian of cheap shots..I'm sorry for assuming Teapot has a huge ass..which I'm positive she does..no hot girls like LOTR, but only hot girls like Gosford Park. Actually old ladies do as well, I got wicked head from this old broad I met in the theatre. -
Jan 20, 2002 11:19:18 PM CST
"Nicole Kidman is so lying with Dick"...Harry, she's single
by fatal discharge
Well, as soon as Beautiful Mind won best screenplay (over MEMENTO!!!), you knew it was going to win Best Pic. By the way, didn't Andie MacDowell look great? I've always had a soft (or hard?) spot for her...saw Groundhog Day again yesterday - what a great film that was. Her and Jennifer Connelly were the two best looking babes there in my opinion. The Sting song winning over Moulin Rouge's Come What May was the most idiotic of the night...the award is supposed to be for how the song IMPACTS THE FILM. Now, I haven't seen (and won't pay to see) Kate & bloody Leopold but given that Moulin Rouge actually has the movie characters singing and conveying their feelings in song, I can't see Sting's song (probably playing over a montage of Meg Ryan crinkling her nose and smiling up at Hugh Jackman) as having more impact on that film.....even Sting looked embarrassed accepting it.
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So Fight Club 2 is a joke name for A Beautiful Mind? I get it. Yeah similar premise though A Beautiful Mind is a true story.
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Charlie Sheen has an abnormally large head.
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Why do they tape delay award shows, seems silly. I can surf the net and fin out the winners two hours before anyone watching TV in Phoenix knows. *** Anyways, Golden Globe winners generally get nominated for Best Picture at least. That being said, the Best Picture nominees are most likely: A Beautiful Mind, Black Hawk Down, In The Bedroom, Lord of the Rings, and Moulin Rouge. All five have won major critic awards. Two movies that should be on the list are Memento and Mulholland Drive, but since the academy has so many older members In The Bedroom will get the nod instead of those two.
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Jan 20, 2002 11:21:26 PM CST
I think the winners this year were determined by an old fashione
by cajun lightning
The whole thing was kinda screwy. Altman winning seems out of nowhere, the Sting song made my right eye tick(shame for the Moulin Rouge song. It was it's only chance) and A Beautiful Mind winning for best screenplay was kinda ridiculous. That movie was great because of the performances and the direction, not because of anything original in the script. It could have been a Lifetime movie in the wrong hands. And didn't most critics slam the shit out of Moulin Rouge? Why now are they hailing it as artistic vision when before it was overblown crap? It's fine by me if the film gets awards but it seems kinda shallow. And if you're gonna nominate a film for 4 catergories, give it one. Poor Lord of the Rings. It just bugs me when people do that. Makes 'em rent suits for nothing.
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That was rotten. I'm not going to comment on MIND since I haven't seen it yet, but LOTR is my favourite flick of the last ten years. I don't think it will top that. I have to admit - I watched Gremlins tonight, and just checked in during commercials. "What are they doing?" "They're watching Snow White... And they love it...!" These awards "things" are beyond boring. Harrison Ford looked like robot. Why bother broadcasting it?
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How old are you? Im not some Guardian, Im just a NICE guy.... tis probably why I have a hot girlfriend (who likes lord of the rings, no less!) :)
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A small list, if you will. Memento, The Others, A.I., Amelie, Final Fantasy The Spirits Within(think Cinematography), Training Day, Vanilla Sky, Fellowship of the Ring, Man Who Wasn't There. What do these have in common? They've all been systematically screwed by every other awards ceremony to date, barring the AFI awards, because apparently, no one but me cared. And a second list. Gosford Park, Moulin Rouge, Shrek, A Beautiful Mind. Now, what do *these* have in common?? Two things....One? they're all overrated. And two? They'll all suck up little golden guys like Brundlefly vomit drop come Oscar time. These are the facts. I suggest we face them now, or be clinically depressed for the rest of the year when the Academy cock-teases us with decent nominations, gets us to lower our defenses, then proceeds to slowly slip the long spiked dildo of hard disappointment up our collective asses as Oscar night progresses. On that happy note, i good you bid night.
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Samurai, why is it that you feel the need to gloat about the fact that a film that you obviously did not like did not win an award? What is the motivation? Really, I am curious. I have dropped in on various discussions on AICN, mostly to read, and I still do not quite understand the vitriol aimed at Lord of the Rings. Take a breath, and try to explain it to me. Try to do it without resorting to crude language, take the time to actually explain your ire.
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Wow, what a stubborn actor who looks very somber as if he thinks the whole tribute is moronic with monotonous narration by Ben "He's my hero, not ours" Affleck or just so completely humilating he rolls his eyes, groans and looks down! Go Harrison, you rock for defying Hollywood kissing-each-other's-ass-at-award-show bullshit! Robert Altman is getting too old to continue directing...he'll be buried next to Stanley Kubrick soon.
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I cannot understand people complaining about what was a beautifully judged, subtle and moving ending. They may not reach the end of their quest, but the film certainly has a traditnonal ending in terms of the emotional development of the characters; Frodo's courage and resolve to continue his quest was very touching i thought. I think most people realise that theres an ongoing story here, and as such the open ended climax is perfect. I certainly don't think the ending has anything to do with it not winning awards. Ah well, time for bed
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I think everyone really ought to cut Harrison Ford some slack. The man is probably the most humble actor in Hollywood. He doesn't look for the spotlight, and doesn't want it. He's very uncomfortable with accepting accolades like this and doesn't like being the center of attention. That's very rare, and if he was nervous and out of his element up there, cut him a break.
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Everyone needs to quit crying about Peter Jackson getting "snubbed"--jesus christ, his best movie is still Meet the Feebles. The recognition Altman recieved tonight was massively overdue. Even if Gosford Park didnt deserve to win (though I think it did), Altman has always paid the price for saying "fuck you" to Hollywood, and tonight is a small compensation for all the snubs he has endured throughout his brilliant career. Take the time to watch M*A*S*H, McCabe & Mrs.Miller, and Nashville before you disagree.
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Sometimes I think that people who complain about the ending to LOTR keep forgetting it is a trilogy. I thought the ending (which is almost exactly the same as the book ending) was a great cliffhanger. How are Frodo and Sam going to go on alone? What's going to happen to Merry and Pippin and will the others rescue them before its too late? It makes me long to see what is going to happen next (even though I already know :) )
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One of my favorate all time films.. I don't think that won any major awards, did it? If not, then damn, if a great film like that can be jipped, anything is possible.. ---As far as LOTR, who really thought it could win? Not that it isn't deserving, especially compared to this year, but look at the last fantasy/sci-fi film nominated of it's type, the original STARWARS, 1977.. and that was beat out.. course, there hasn't exactly been very many of that kind of film even worth a damn, but the few that are easily get overlooked.. Hopefully, we can get a hold of some talented directors/writers to start producing some great fantasy/sci-fi films, not just afterflood crap, and then, maybe, just maybe, it can start being respected as a genre.. here's hoping.. Oh, and Fight Club 2 rules!
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Harrison Ford could play Treebeards best friend Stumpy, in the Two Towers.
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Jan 20, 2002 11:35:15 PM CST
Never underestimate the film industry's addiction to movies
by falstaff
For those of you who had any hope
that LOTR would win best picture
here or at the Oscars, you are
dealing with a force you cannot
possibly understand. Nobody
who decides these awards has
the will to resist a film which
involves characters with a mental
illness. Be prepared as the
academy drools all over ABM and it rakes in all the awards on Oscar night. Now I drink in honor
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That sure would explain "Forrest Gump".
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because that year they got it absolutely right. And to the guy YET AGAIN bringing up altman's past films/// this is the best director of a film over the past year, not a goddamn lifetime achievement award. The guy above is right; they snub people then make up for the snub by rewarding an undeserving film. In fact, the more I think about it, the more it drives me mad: GOSFORD FUCKING PARK???? BEST DIRECTION OF THE YEAR?????!!!!! YOU DONT NEED ME TO POINT OUT HOW RIDICULOUS THIS IS. GHOST WORLD WAS TEN TIMES BETTER THAN GOSFORD PARK. KNICKERS!!!!
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because I know exactly which movies moved me this past year: The Others, Amelie and LoTR:FoTR. I liked Memento, up until the part where Teddy explains EVERYTHING. Those three movies did it for me. To me, they are deservent of EVERY award imagineable. I have not seen The Devil's Backbone yet - but I KNOW I will LOVE it, too. Oh and I KNOW The Royal Tenenbaums deserves MORE than a Best Actor. So, that's fine. Awards don't really put a "stamp of approval" for me to like a movie- I'm comfortable with my own tastes. I enjoyed these movies to no end, and I am overjoyed in the fact that they exist. They were the cream of the crop for me. I will no doubt proudly add their DVDs' to my current collecton so that I can watch them over and over again. I'm all too happy for Robert Altman and Peter Jackson is young and I betcha The Two Towers may nab a Director's Award for him. But I bet he didn't become a director to win awards but just wanted to make movies. It's the creative process in any creative person that is the challenge and the award.
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You say "GAY" like it's a bad word...If Moulin Rouge is "gay" then I say BRING ON THE GAY FILMS....(seriously grow up)
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why was i kidding myself that lotr could win, when ron howard played the mental card....
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Ron Howard IS the mental card:)
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Can't say I'm too surprised. Haven't even seen A Beautiful Mind, but I predicted it for BP. Just the sort of thing that these folks (and the Oscar voters as well) feel safe and comfortable picking, plus RH isn't an outsider like PJ. As for MR, hated it. Didn't work for me at all, and best musical score, gimme a break. The Argentinians rendition of Roxanne was like nails on a blackboard. Obe Wan should stick to his light sabre. Still, even nominations are a big step up for fantasy (real ones, not techie ones). There's always next year, and the year after that....
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Jan 20, 2002 11:50:07 PM CST
I know, I know, Ron Howerd starring in Fight Club 3: A Beautiful
by lordhoban
:) Hey, either that, or sequels to Willow or The Grinch.. hell, maybe he'll parter with Lucas once again for... Jar Jar: A Gungan Adventure.. much like the Ewock spinoffs, except with an academy award winning director guiding Ahmed Best and the floppy dozen!
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fuck the HFPA and fuck the Golden Globes
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Ron Howard directing "Jar-Jars Big Adventure" would really be milking his mental card quota.
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The Golden Globes and all these other award shows are nothing more than a celebration of celebrity in the guise of a celebration of film and tv
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I laughed so hard at Will's little nigga kid hoppin' around like a cocaine dealer and gangbangin' killer flashing peace sign as Will tries to tell his kid to chill the fuck out as the nominee name was announced! Shoulda joined Andy n' Amos Junior. A Beautiful Mind -- an obvious Golden Globe and Oscar bait. As one said above, never underestimate Hollywood's addiction to mental illness. Give it up already, that shit's gettin' old. What's next, Brad Pitt playing a violent and deranged cripple with a frothing mouth and chronic maturbation going "Gaah!" in a movie about cripple anarchist harkening back to Fight Club directed by David Fincher? Oh yeah, GG producers fucked up Best Foreign Film Nominee category with a glaring glitch that should be enormously embarrassing to those in the know. GG SUCK ASS! HAHAHAHAHAHA
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Jan 20, 2002 11:58:29 PM CST
Maybe Harrison SHOULD accept the fact that he's old....and n
by fatal discharge
And I didn't realise he hated Blade Runner as pointed out by "NFL Refugee", but he obviously seems ashamed of his Star Wars/Indiana Jones films as being beneath the GREAT ACTOR that he is....except those were the only roles where he showed himself to be fun and lovable (and Working Girl I guess). Now he resorts to his dour unsmiling "serious" roles and when he's tried being fun recently he turns out dreck like Sabrina and Six Days, Seven Years (it felt like years watching that). As for the those pissing all over Altman, I bet most haven't even seen the film. Short Cuts is probably my fave film of the last decade. And who else would have the wontons to show Julianne Moore and her kinky red bush minute...after minute...(is he going to cut the shot? Nope!)...after minute...after minute. I still remember the audience murmuring and the sounds of jaws hitting the floor. Those whining about Peter Jackson not winning....wait until the third film. I think after the trilogy is complete and the monumental task that he accomplished is realised he may win then. With directors of mainstream/popular films it usually takes several nominations....look at how long it took Spielberg to win.
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ABM's success at the GG's tonight is a sign of things to come. It will win Best Picture, Best Actor (Crowe) and Best Director (Howard) at the Oscars. Best Adapted Screenplay too.
I loved "A Beautiful Mind" and am glad it won. I thought it was a much better film than "Fellowship of the Ring".
As for Peter Jackson, while I admire his ambition and effort, I can't say I'm sorry that a man who would put a reference to dwarf tossing in LOTR lost the award. FOTR, as an action-adventure movie, was decent. As an adaptation of "Lord of the Rings", it stunk.
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So the CBS Hallmark movie of week won best picture. Perhaps the Foreign Press mixed up their catagories? Seriously the GG, like all awards shows suck. The only guy who had the balls to hint at it was the Bosnian director who won for best foreign picture. Everyone else was too busy thanking their mommas. I'll give Mr. Ford props for his dry acceptance speech though. Too bad he too realizes his career is dead. Hint, try taking a risk for once.
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And getting higher, the worse case scenario would have been it bombing.. then everything would have gone to hell and a hand basket...
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Or maybe people are a bit homophobic:)
IMO opinion MR is the second best film of the year, comparing it to a "fashion show" is IMO way off mark. Watch the DVD.
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Jan 21, 2002 12:15:51 AM CST
Congrats to Moulin Rouge!!! To Bogenbroom: DOWN WITH BREEDERS
by kampbell-kid
Moulin Rouge was my #1 fav of 2001!! I'm happy to see it win, hope it sweeps oscars!! :) To Bogenbroom: To say a film is completely gay while using late trite terms like "fruity" is, pardon the pun, kinda hard to swallow from someone who obviously has homophobic issues. As a reward for brilliantly showing your intelligence and setting back hetero males 20 years for what you said... your reward is an upgrade from your single trailer to a double-wide. Congrats! ;)
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Yeah LOTR after 4 weeks got knocked down to 3. It had a good run and will be one of the 15 biggest films ever. But what amazes me more than anything is Snow Dogs made $18 million. What the hell? Maybe Cuba Gooding Jr does know what he's doing.
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Baz Luhrman has made THREE great movies for me. Bless 'im.
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Go back to your Michael Bay hackjobs, they seem right up your alley(Pun strongly intended)
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As long as it's not your ass that's getting it, WHY THE FUCK SHOULD YOU CARE.
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Compare apples to apples, and new releases to new releases. If you have to piss on something, at least do it competently.
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Not true! You should take your own advice... the next time your own wife asks "STICK IT UP MY BUTT!" you'll call her gay? :) I rest my point and case...
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Where did anybody besides yourself write anything about "assfucking".
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LOTR sucks and people are finally beginning to realize it. Goddamn, I just read Return of the King again and it has to be the most boring piece of crap I ever read apart from these talkbacks. Woo doggy!!! G'night, LOTR!!! G'night, Jackson!!! G'night, LOTR trolls!!! Hahahahaha!!!
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Inbreeding does that I guess. Anyway to change subject and back to golden globes. I didn't notice Liz Taylor do any anouncing this year? :)
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I have seen all of the movies you have mentioned. and frankly, Lord of the rings is still the best damn movie i have ever seen. BTW, i haven't read the books, but started b/c of LOTR, Moulin Rouge for origional score was a stupid choice, Altman is a old geezer who shouldn't have won, the Foreign films comittee have deaf ears, and PETER JACKSON GOT FUCKING ROBBED!!!
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I think Liz Taylor crumpled into a heap of dust a couple of weeks ago:)
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Listen up everybody!
AlphaHelix has neither convictions nor opinions.
AlphaHelix doesn't stand for anything either.
AlphaHelix is actually a blank piece of cardboard.
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Actually now that I've read your last post.
Cardboard is too good for you.
YOU ARE A REDNECK HOMOPHOBIC HILLBILLY -
...my shiny shaved ass exposed for you to put your dick in while I bend my back wearing Ghostface mask, OJ Simpson leather gloves and black cloak. Let's not forget to take digital photos for posting to free amateur gay porn sites. *SLITH*
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Sorry, "A Beautiful Mind" is a well-crafted entertainment but "Lord of the Rings" had it creamed in scope, acting, and everything else. At least they nominated LOTR.
Ridiculously early Best Picture nominations guesses:
A Beautiful Mind
Fellowship of the Ring
Ali
Mulholland Drive
In The Bedroom
Winner: Mind.
Oh, and Harry; Akiva Goldsman hasn't progressed a fucking step beyond "Batman and Robin." He gave Ron Howard a standard script with standard plot and anachronistic dialogue out of the book which glossed over all the "offensive" bits (like Nash's bisexuality), and Howard and the cast basically saved the movie from that. That and a judiciously used razor; take a look at the trailer, there's lots of footage in it that didn't even make the movie, and it all sucks, too. -
I'm feeling old -- because I remember Thora Birch as a sweet little KID in that dumb monkey movie and now she's babe-alicious. She was also robbed. I love Jennifer Connolly, and Sissy Spacek, and Nicole Kidman, and Kate Winslet and that chick from Amelie, but the best performance by an actress in a motion picture this year was without a doubt Thora Birch in GHOST WORLD. I hope the Academy Awards right the wrongs of the Golden Globes. Memento for best screenplay, Lord of the Rings for best picture, Will Smith for best actor, and Thora Birch for best actress. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!
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My thoughts precisely!!
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There's a ton of footage in the LOTR trailers that isn't in that movie either. When does Cate Blanchett ever say "You will find your courage"? What about Liv Tyler lying on that bed in the woods. The elve girls running through the woods dressed in white and so on. Most movies are this way cause trailer are made months before the final edit.
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Hahahahahhahahahahahaa!!! I just got myself the laugh of the year!........
I agree that Jackson deserved the best director award... but I guess this awards are nothing but formula.
So I figured out the formula for winning a GG award and to please the GG people:
-Cast Russel Crow, Julia Roberts, Tom Hanks and Nicole Kidman.
-Play a mental card or a war card or any historical card.
-Put a half-second cameo appereace of Britney Spears being
raped with a dildo strap-on by Alicia Keys(DVD owners will praise you).
-Make sure the director of your film is likely to receive the outstanding achievement award or enjoys CBS.
There! use it, play with it and dump it!
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I watched most of the Globes tonight in the midst of checking Rumble results on 2 seperate websites(Yes Maven WAS Robbed!) & I was happy to see Nicole Kidman take the nod for the Best Movie of 2001, Moulin Rouge. I work in a movie theater & I have been able to watch a lot of movies recently & I have to admit that Vanilla Sky got robbed, that movie was a masterpiece & I believe Tom Cruise & especially Jason Lee(who is underrated as it is) should've been nominated for Golden Globes, well maybe the Oscars might nominate this brilliant film but I highly doubt it. Royal Tenenbaums was a very funny movie, dry comedy but still funny but I believe that Ewan McGregor still should've won the award ahead of Gene Hackman. I was starting to get used to hearing the Sting song from Kate & Leopold but it had NO RIGHT & I mean NO RIGHT to ever beat the best song from a movie, Come What May. Maybe Moulin Rouge will finally get some more accolades at the Oscars, i'd love to see it win Best Picture, but with the way the world is, I don't see it happening. LOTR was a great movie but the AFI had it dead wrong when it won Best Movie, long live the greatest movie of 2001, an instant classic, Moulin Rouge. I thank you personally Baz for this great movie & in closing I wish someone would give Kevin Smith a break, he puts on really great films & gets snubbed by the academy, its a damn shame.
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ABM is a very good film indeed, but I though all in all that In the Bedroom or LotR were far more deserving. Nonetheless, my sentimental favorite going in to the Oscars is still FotR. If those two films can somehow split the Academy amongst themselves I will be a very happy camper. Moulin Rouge was a just choice and I can't argue against it now that it is a done deal. As musical tastes go I lean more toward opera and classical than pop so I appreciated Howard Shore's score far more as a connoisseour of the opera house and symphony. Each to his own however. Besides Sissy Spacek and Russel Crowe (I thought his performance was exceptional even if the film itself was not) receiving their just rewards the whole night was rather disappointing. Not surprisingly, these awards shows have tended to be a mixed bag. I've been chumming with a girl that took a course on Tolkien here at Rice. We went to go see Black Hawk Down only to come back to this. She was really crushed and I can't say I blame her.
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As far as A Beautiful Mind goes, I sadly can't comment on it yet - not until I see it tomorrow at least. I was in no way surprised that it won best picture and I'm sure it's an excellent picture. But that last lil sentence of your post - 'as for a book adaption, lord of the rings sucked' or something to that extent. well, do u know anything about the difference between book and film? honestly now? because i don't think there's anyway you can actually say that and be serious - instead i'd suggest u're just trying to get attention for yourself. say what you want to say about lord of the rings - say it sucked, it's no more than medicore, everything was wrong with it from the start - i truly have no care about your opinion on the movie itself. but as far as adapting from the book goes, it's simply one of the most magical experiences out there. if you read the books, then you know the enthusiasm behind everyone else - why it is on the top 5 on IMDb and why some consider it the best film of the year - because all there hopes and dreams from reading the book were truly brought to life. if you read the book your jaw would of most likely dropped the second you saw hobbiton, the way gandalf was potrayed, rivendell, gollum, the mines of moria, the nazguls, etc. unless u are overly upset about the deletion of tom bombandil i honestly don't know what the hell you are talking about as being a poor adaption. is it because of all the added stuff with the orcs and such? if it is, then again - do you have any understanding of the difference between book and film? because if you would you'd understand that the audience needs to see some kind of threat throughout the film and that is clearly what has done by peter jackson. in no way did he ruin the text by doing that though, and simply just gave a better understanding to those lines in the two towers that explain how the orcs have lost their leaders (SPOILERS) during the battle in which they killed boromir. so what exactly are you saying or can back what you are saying up about it being a poor adaption? because i personally can't think of someone adapting it any better than peter jackson, and i truly mean that.
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Thats the dumbest thing i've heard in the talkbacks since all that "all your base" bullshit.
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He thanked his marketing department! How stupid! he was basically saying "Thanks guys for buying us all the awards". LOTR got ripped off!
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Jan 21, 2002 1:28:28 AM CST
In 10 years, "A Beautiful Mind" will be just another movie. "Lor
by the grin
Fantasy has never been a genre Hollywood cared enough about to cultivate. Now that Lord of the Rings is here, it has thrown the door open wide for fantasy on the big screen. But the last people to be convinced are Golden Globe and Oscar voting farts. That's why they still give song awards to pop-music hacks and tearjerking, sentimental, formula-making connect-the-dot moviemakers. "A Beautiful Mind" isn't just formulaic... it tells lies so big about its main character that it's a crime they didn't change the names. NASH'S WIFE LEFT HIM. HE'D ALREADY HAD ANOTHER LOVER *AND* A CHILD. HE CLAIMED ALIENS SENT HIM TO EUROPE TO BE "THE PRINCE OF PEACE". THE MOVIE LEAVES ALL THIS OUT so it'll be a happier, Oscar-worthy formula. Meanwhile, Peter Jackson pulls off the most difficult movie project ever attempted... 3 movies at once based on the most beloved work of literature written in the 20th century. So who does Hollywood love? Who do they applaud? What do they admire? The lies, the formulas, the movie that, really ,won't matter in 20 years. But we'll all be having our all-day Lord of the Rings marathon parties and marvelling that Jackson actually pulled it off.
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Harry... you're going on like a 13 year old, Britney-looking N'Sync fan watching the Teen Choice Awards. Get a grip, man!
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Sela Ward is so damn fine. Much more beautiful and talented than that flavor of the month from Alias. And TonyD, I too hated Moulin Rouge. Turned it off about halfway through. Love Nicole though and glad she won.
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The same industry types will be voting (just lots more of 'em). I would imagine that the Academy will name Jackson best director. Crowe and Connolly and Spacek will repeat their wins, and you will see additional noms for Ian McKellen, plus Black Hawk Down and In The Bedroom (for Direction and Tom Wilkinson respectively). FYI unlike the slightly ridiculous Golden Globes, at the Oscars relevant industry professionals (active and retired) vote in their own category, except for Best Film which everyone votes on. There are virtually no movie critics in the Academy, so forget about Mulholland Drive and Memento getting Best Picture noms. (Critics hate the Oscars (like the public it ignores them), which is mainly why those jealous little devils like to cook up their year-end "best of" lists to make themselves feel better.) The only award anyone takes truly seriously (or remembers in a year's time), are the Oscars. The smart money is still on LOTR to clean up big time on Golden Boy night. If the Golden Globes hits the odds for LOTR I would grab a piece of that pie, if I were you: that movie is the nearest thing to a Sure Thing for Best Picture since Schindler's List.
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1. Harrison Ford is always shy and nervous when speaking in public. I agree with the previous poster who said "give him a break!" And although he has made many great movies, his best acting performance was in The Mosquito Coast...everyone should see that movie.
2. Memento was robbed...ABM is a wonderful film, but not original as far as screenplay.
3. I know no one is gonna agree with me on this, but I loved John Williams' score for AI. I know the man has lots of awards, but screw the other nominees...he shoulda won.
4. Moulin Rouge...wtf??? I can't even bring myself to go see this. I know that's admitting I don't know much about it...but a musical with Ewan MacGregor and Nicole Kidman? Come on. Every single thing I've seen about this film has made me less encouraged to see it. Still, it might be a rental.
5. Steve Buscemi was robbed.
6. Finally, I am completely satisfied that ABM won the big awards. This film was beautifully acted and directed. I am happy Bob Altman won for directing (to make up for all the movies he hasn't won for), but I know Ron Howard will take the OSCAR. LOTR is nothing to me. The problem is, there are too many people in this world that lived on the books when they were kids. Now, these people are film geeks like me, and they think the film walks on water. Granted, I'm sure it's a better adaptation than Harry Potter (which I'm into), but who really cares about a movie that's basically there to serve all the Hobbit geeks? ABM deserves all the accolades it receives this year. -
It was directed by Richie Cunninghan, for god sakes!
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Calista Flockhart looked so cute tonight and DAMN! Kate Winslet is gorgeous! Divorce has done her very good.
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The Golden Globes mean a crapload more than the AFI awards. When AFI gave LOTR the win all the fans went crazy, but now that it loses the second biggest movie award there is the Globes no longer matter? Had the Globes given LOTR the win you'd be praising the foreign press and how great and accurate they are in their decisions would you not?
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Jan 21, 2002 2:23:12 AM CST
yes!!! holy fucking shit!!! RUSSELL CROWE WON!!!! YESSSSS!!!! PE
by a goonie
man, this night was full of surprises. Russell winning for Best Actor in a Drama just put a huge smile on my face. his is the best lead performance of the year. but i was afraid he wouldn't win because of all the recognition he got last year for Gladiator and the year before for The Insider. but he did it. that was great. i would've been happy with Billy Bob Thornton or Will Smith, too, but damn, did Russell deserve it. and A Beautiful Mind for Best Dramatic Picture! man, that was a sweet surprise. it's certainly not the best movie of the year, but it still made my Top Ten and it's certainly better than LOTR. Nicole for Best Actress in a Musical/Comedy!!! yay! she sooo deserves it. congratulations to Ms. Connelly for her win, as well. i still think that Frances O' Conner (A.I. Artificial Intelligence) deserves it the most, but Jennifer did a great job nonetheless. Akiva Goldsman winning Best Screenplay was really sweet. i wish the Golden Globes would split up their screenplay category into Original and Adapted just like the majority of other awards shows, but whatever. Akiva wrote a great script, and he certainly deserved the award. Chris Nolan's Memento screenplay is amazing, as is the Coen's The Man Who Wasn't There. but Akiva is cool. and his speech was very sweet. he was trembling, and he mentioned that it was his "first award." his was one of the most moving speeches of the whole night. Craig Armstrong for Best Musical Score. great choice. but damn, that was one of the most boring speeches i've ever heard. REALLLLLLY bad. Moulin Rouge for Best Musical/Comedy Picture. good stuff. by far the most deserving picture of the bunch. and now we come to Best Director... WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH BOB ALTMAN WINNING ALL THESE DAMNED DIRECTING AWARDS FOR GOSFORD PARK?!?!??!??! i mean, really, what are they thinking? obviously, the reason he's getting all this recognition is that he made a movie with close to thirty characters, all of which have important roles. a damn near impossible task. and Altman DOES succeed in helping us, the audience, distinguish between the different characters, but... he completely fails to accomplish the most important aspect of the entire picture. he can't make us CARE FOR THE CHARACTERS. he spent too much time focusing on who was who instead of what made any of them worth caring about. it was his most important job, and he botched it. now it's the actor's faults as well, but they're not the ones winning all these bloody awards, so i have to target Altman for the blame. either way, a really stupid choice for director. and what the fuck is up with NOT nominating Ridley Scott for Black Hawk Down? or Joel Coen and Michael Mann for that matter? oh well, one can't have it all. and i am extremely grateful for Crowe's win. so that's good. but the question is now, what does this mean for the OSCARS? well, can't wait for the PGA winner to be announced.
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Mabye since the film got a best original score award they will actually release the darn score. :) All I can ever find is the basic soundtrack with all the songs. I've been looking for the score since before the film came out last year and all I've found were just Chris Armstrong's ending credits song and the main film theme. That can't be it?! Oh yea, would this movie ever make a good broadway show?! I hated musicals until this film came out, I'd go see it on stage!
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...that A Beautiful Mind won. It was an excellent film, that I enjoyed very much. BUT, it was very typical and it didn't bring anything new to the table. It was tailor-made as Oscar bait. It could do no wrong really...
Now, Russell Crowe definitely deserved the actor award(Best Actor for Gladiator? What the hell?). And Jennifer Connelly deserved the actress award as well, but the screenplay?(Another what the hell?). Memento!
Really, no film moved me and awed me as much as LOTR did. Honestly, I was NOT a fan of the series nor was I subject towards the hype, but LOTR just blew me away.
Why can't movies that bring something unique to the table win? Hell, I'd rather have Moulin Rouge(which greatly deserved it's recognition) win than A Beautiful Mind come Oscar time. At least it was different. I don't know, I thought the most exciting part in the whole damn night was when Jennifer Garner made that "Dude, Where's My Car?" joke. That tells you something... -
Seriously, who cares whether or not LOTR won best film? Does that make it any worse as a movie? Will you enjoy it any less when you watch it? My guess is no. Then fuck it, don't worry about it. Most of my favorite movies have never even been nominated for best film awards. Sure, maybe that's because I have no taste in movies, but maybe not. The die-hard fans who say that LOTR is the best ever will keep saying that, at least until TTT comes out. Not getting a golden globe (ooh ahh) won't make any difference to them, and if it does, then those people should be fed to the starving homeless kids my neighbor keeps locked in his basement. So gloating in LOTR's awards failures (or in their successes) is really pointless. So stop it. Seriously. Stop. You making big asses of youselves.
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Okay, first of all... script. How fucking lame was that? Nolan deserved that far more than anyone else there. No excuses! Second of all, best song. Sting!? STING!!?? For god's sake, the guy has done better music than the shit I heard tonight. That lackluster piece of crap he put together wasn't half the song that "Come What May" is. Besides, Moulin Rouge featured a remix of Roxanne - shouldn't he be happy for that? Third of all, best director... Altman. Argh. Frustrating, because I can understand why he gets it. The guy is aging quickly - he'll be gone in no time. Personally I'd have picked Baz or Peter - Baz for the unique surreal/impressionist vision in an age of so much hyper-realism, or Peter for the monumental task of filming the entire trilogy at one time, and still managing to make a pretty damn good movie out of at least the first installment.
Last of all, best actor in a drama, Russell Crowe. *sigh* I suppose I can't argue until I've seen it. I just have a tough time believing this guy is anything more than Hollywood's latest pretty-boy darling. His acting was flat as hell in Gladiator. Could he have improved this much since then? The guy had no depth or subtlety, just a plain reading of what the script asks of him, and nothing more. This does NOT make him worthy of a BEST ACTOR award when we have actors like Ian McKellen or Kevin Spacey who are able to tell you SO MUCH MORE just with their eyes, their mannerisms, everything. Crowe plays a character, but I can never BELIEVE him as a character. -
Mike's mugging made the show worth watching. I hissed when Altman got best director -- should've gone to Opie or Peter Jenkins -- and am still scratching my head at Moulin Rouge's "Best Original Score" win, but otherwise the awards were dead on. Very classy indeed. They handed out the statues to deserving parties, the teleprompter was working, the presenters knew what they were doing, and THEY FINISHED EARLY!!! AFIs and Oscars, take heed. These Hollywood Foreign Press fellows know how to put on an award show.
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OK, I haven't seen ABM, but I'll bet it's your usual retard/biography film. Same old, same old. Shore or Williams should have won best score, not a collection of remixed old songs. Ah well, hopefully once the three films are complete they'll give a few awards to LOTR, though I doubt it. I thought this might be the one time that a film I love could also be an award winning film - I just looked at my DVD collection and realized that most of them aren't! Still, most of us know which of these films people will still be watching a few decades from now. Get ready for the Oscars fellows, this is a sign of things to come.
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Moulin Rouge and LOTR won exactly what they deserved.
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Now that you mention it, this DID look suspiciously like the kind of choices you'd have seen in a High School prom. And to think that I continued to believe into college, in spite of the evidence, that everyone grows up eventually. Not that I disgreed with this choice, but notice that they picked the cool rock group who does cover tunes (Moulin Rouge) over the less cool orchestra (Howard Shore, LOTR). The boy who normally does crappy stories rips off a story he read with a "clever" twist (A Beautiful Mind) and wins out over the one who write a complex story that goes over everyone's heads (Memento). The analogy applies other places too. For example, they picked Sissy Spacek because it was just too tempting to say that she was great In The Bedroom. "And the winner is... Sissy Spacek In the Bedroom *snicker*"
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"Did it have any special effects or action scenes as intense as the Matrix lobby shootout? No." Excuse me? I can excuse your other mutterings, but I'm not sure HOW you can overlook the brilliance that was the Mines of Moria fight sequence. I suppose it takes a guy who actually does computer animation and special effects to tell when something this monumental has been done. Believe it or not, this sequence is somewhat of a milestone in compositing effects. You know that part after one of the hobbits (Sam?) runs through his legs, and the creature is looking around? Notice how it ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN THE ROOM? Do you have any idea how difficult it is to get CG to look like it belongs in the scene? And the editing leading up to that scene - awesome. Perhaps not quite as pulse-pounding as the SPR beach scene, but CLOSE to it, which is pretty damn good for a movie involving fantasy creatures that could have very easily turned out looking like rejects from Legend. Shocking events? How about Gandalf's death at the bridge, eve if you'd read the book and knew it was coming? How was that not done infinitely better than any other fantasy film character death out there? There was real emotion in that, as real as Liam Neeson's breakdown at the end of Schindler's List, and a HELL of a lot better than his death in Episode I. No, it wasn't the movie to end all movies, but if you want to criticize it, at least do so intelligently. Pick at the script that was too repetitive and talked down to the audience. Pick at the pacing which was a bit on the slow side. But picking at the effects and the action? Please. Give me a break.
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That's the whole problem with awards shows. Best Picture? There's no such thing. It's all a popularity contest. LOTR can be a dazzling fantasy epic of a classic book (of which I just finished the first, and let me tell you the movie can only improve the book by cutting the endless and tiresome landscape descriptions) while In The Bedroom can be a gutwrenching family drama of emotions. It's like comparing apples and oranges. They're both good but totally different. The GG's were notoriously susceptible to studio pandering and apt to pick "bigger" stars over more deserving ones. They have gotten better in recent years and in the past decade have especially honored newer worthy television shows unlike The Emmys which give them to the same shows until they go off the air and they can't vote for them anymore. The true measure of an award's worth is the how it stands up over the test of time (same goes for IMDB rankings). To me the New York and L.A. Critics awards have picked the films most deserving over the years. The Oscars aren't as bad as the GG's have been but they still give awards based on popularity rather than merit.
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the Schindler's List reference (which may have been a bit misplaced on my part) didn't imply that I thought THAT was a fantasy film, just to clarify before someone accuses me of saying WWII was all made up like the trip to the moon, etc. :)
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I suppose I'm not nearly as well informed on his other movies as you are, and I could give him his chance to prove me wrong. However, I never said it was my final assessment that he was a bad actor, only that what I've seen (Gladiator) seemed to indicate that he was terribly overrated. That movie sure didn't deserve the awards it got (except in visuals and production design, which was actually quite impressive) and I didn't think much of his acting. I've still yet to see ABM; I'm going probably next week. Maybe my mind will change after seeing that? Perhaps.
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It really is too bad it didn't get enough recognition tonight and I admit I'm disappointed but 1)These films were made for around 100 million dollars each which means they started making a profit 3 weeks ago. Its already among the most lucrative gambles in film history so I'm not sure how anyone can continue to claim it did anything but excell financially. 2) Yes it is now no. 3 in the box office after Black Hawk Down (which I myself saw this weekend) and Snow Dogs but AFTER 4 weeks at no. 1. Oh, yeah! Duh! Where does the time fly? 3) Maybe there are some among you that have momentarily (and conveniently) lost all respect for almost every film critic out there and good reviews are not in and of themselves a mark of quality but they are an indicator however. 4) I think I know enough mathematics to note this film has pleased over 90% of the public and the hard to please Tolkien fans. Unless the laws of nature just changed completely overnight that constitutes an overwhelming majority. Every side has its opposition but let's show more perspective than to categorize the folks that loved this movie into a single lothsome stereotype. We do live in a world of fact not fantasy. 90% of the planet is not inhabited by virgin male, illiterate, nintendo "fanboys." 5) Ok, it is definitely foolish to go about raving against the HFP just because the fan favorite didn't win but for the sake of full disclosure lets remember that the same people that loathed this movie from the start (some of whom have quite transparantly shed user id's over the weeks like underwear) some weeks ago were also claiming it would do so poorly all around that it wouldn't even be considered for anything! So what have we got then? We started off with "This movie is crap and everybody else will think its crap!" to "You fanboys are full of s*it but everybody else will see this movie for what it is!" to "Ok, well, what the f*uck do film critics know - hey, I know of these other film critics you've never heard of from the Spittle County Gazette that hated it as much as I did!" to "F*uck everybody that disagrees with me! Everybody is stupid! The world is populated by geeks but the HFP has come back to the light for a time and maybe the Academy of Motion Picture AandS if it doesn't nominate or award anything to FotR. Otherwise it is also full of s*it!" Yeah, I agree it's not the greatest thing since slice bread but it is completely foolish on the part of that dozen or so AICN regulars that disliked it to try to be so negative about something in a vain attempt to counterbalance the overwhelming enthusiasm for this film shown by so many, many more individuals. Its like trying to stem the tide or laughing at the wind - instead of convincing people you're just alienating yourselves. "Hmmm... no Golden Globe. Guess I've slain the dragon." Uhhhhh... no. But you're all welcome wallow in the escape that is the fantasy you've created for yourselves.
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Check out a full analysis complete with screen-shots at ReelBuff.com. A Beautiful Mind? That's horseshit.
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.....since the US stole these awards in the 50's, the world needs to claim them back..... the UK and Europe SERIOUSLY need their own entertainment award show that is VERY CREDIBLE to be more prestigious and real than this or the Oscars.....c'mon UK get it together....this was beyond stupid....I can't stand watching more of this vacuuous drivel......
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Jan 21, 2002 5:36:05 AM CST
WHERE THE FUCK IS "MEMENTO"???????? AND "LOTR"???? MEMENTO WAS
by the_lion
If Memento doesn't take at least 4 Oscars, then FUCK the Oscars.... it's a fix.
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The Globes only has a 55% success rate of Best Drama winning and since some films are lay down certs thats a terrible success rate. Beautiful Mind just recieved the kiss of death for the Oscars as best film because the Academy hates agreeing with thre 98 voters that do the GG's because 1/2 of those 98 are jokes.
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What? No LOTR:FOTR??? No Amelie????? At least Moulin Rouge got something... But score??? That should have gone to Howard Shore... Definitely... And best song to Moulin Rouge... Ugh!!! NO LOTR!!!!
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And shut up the Hobbit-geeks for a while. Jeez they would have been insufferable if the hammy fairy-tale had won again.
So many comments on the thread start go something like...'I haven't seen ABM yet but I KNOW its blah blah blah... ' OR..'I think LOTR was the best movie of the year and it was robbed....I haven't seen ABM .'
Oh and I'm SURE that when you see it it will be with an open mind (NOT).
Ah well...who cares...time for the kiddies to leave the decisions to the adults.
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OK, light stuff first. One, Thora Birch is 20 this year, yes, she's legal, yes she deserves every award she can gather for Ghost World, no you can't have her, cuz she's mine, dammit. While on the subject, i forgot to put Ghost World in as one of those movies that has been undeservedly screwed this season. Two, to the guy above, to go a bit off the topic of this board a second, Maven was NOT screwed....screwed would imply that he had a shot in the first place. Maven, my friend, was BEATEN FUCKING SENSELESS by the Undertaker. There's a difference. Third, to go into this Moulin Rouge thing...OK, best comedy/musical film? ok, i can vouch for it to win....worthy musicals usually get nailed to a wall come award time, especially creative musicals(read: Dancer In The Dark)...not that comedies and musicals belong together in the first place, but still....if creativity can garner some sort of praise, then I'm all for it. But there's awarding creativity, and there's overkill. As i said before, Nicole Kidman won the WRONG AWARD. Her work in The Others was much stronger than it was in Moulin Rouge. But, seeing as the ongoing fantasy/sci-fi bias continues in award shows, I'm not surprised. Remember, these are the same people who decided The Sixth Sense didn't deserve any awards either. And, of course, MR winning Best Score is just complete and utter bullshit. Even the Oscar committee got this right....the score is 70 percent comprised of stuff that OTHER PEOPLE WROTE, and this one idiot gets the award? Bullshit. Cinematography was a joke too...personally, I still say Final Fantasy The Spirits Within should be cleaning up in that category, but among the nominees, obviously, LOTR was the more beautiful film, if not that, then A.I. most definitely. But, i reiterate, it'll be a holy day in hell before fantasy films get respect from the Academy or the Hollywood Foreign Press. Overall, i must repeat my standpoint...I liked Moulin Rouge, I'm not out to attack the film itself. But imagine if someone made your old high school history teacher President for a year. No warning, no training. Just 3 Secret Service agents abduct him from the gym, slip him into a suit, put him on national TV as the Commander In Chief. It's the same thing here, in my opinion. And lastly, because I've written this much, and havent even eaten breakfast yet, the second bias awards comittees have....making people winners because "they are who they are".....Sting won the award last night, because he's Sting. Just like at last year's Oscars, Bob Dylan won the award(over Bjork no less!!) because he's Bob Dylan. Robert Altman won that Best DIrector award tonight because he's Robert Altman, and they feel they should give him something before he kicks the bucket. Now, I know, by that logic, why didn't Spielberg clean house last night? Simple. He made an intelligent fantasy/science fiction film this year. Lord knows they couldn't give the award to that... I think I'm done...aside from me STILL scratching my head why the hell Memento hasn't been grabbing up awards left and right, there's little else to say. Revolution is still my name...
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I know a lot of you felt very passionate about LOTR and are probably upset to find it didn't win any major awards (or any come to think of it.......am I right?!!), but please remember, an award doesn't count for anything - if the film is great in your heart then it shall remain so. No-one can take your feelings away from you or sway what you don't believe. I myself am not surprized that AI didn't pick up anything, but I love that film - and no award or stupid golden statue is gonna convince me otherwise.
Its the one common person who pays to see these things in this world that counts. A critic can only try to sway (and Harry, I don't count you as a critic - more a lover of cinema on the same level as all of us!!).
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Bloody hell, you'd think after all this time Harry'd learn how to string a sentence together.
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I agree with what you say, although it would have been nice to see the bias against sci-fi fantasy end. Has a sci-fi.fantasy film EVER won a major award? I think the answer is no. And 'janmoz', It's nice to see 'adults' like you whining on message boards. Given your UK e-mail account, I wonder whether you have seen ABM? And you're right, I don't need to see ABM to know what kind of film it is; you know why? Because I've seen this film in another form before, it's nothing new, and given some of the bits in the trailers, it appears worse than others. It may be very good but so is FOTR, and because it was a difficult adaptation, because it is the first film of this sort to be awards-worthy, it should have won. Of course, you're one of those who believes that only 'real world' dramas should win awards, no doubt. Not the types of stories that have been told, literally, for thousands of years. I speak of myths, and though FOTR is a faux myth, it is in the same vein, so why should it not win awards? ---- "they would have been insufferable if the hammy fairy-tale had won again"......who's 'they'? Insufferable for you maybe, but not for most on these boards.
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Jan 21, 2002 8:13:09 AM CST
The HFP are effite snobs, I took their heads and raped their wom
by sabretooth1974
Beautiful mind was one of the worst movies I have seen this year! Russel carried that film start to finish and opie should be kissing his hairy beanbag! I'm getting sick of Hollywood altering history to suit their views and being rewarded for it. I'm not even crossing my fingers for the Oscars since ABM follows the exact formula for cleaning up at the oscars. Just give someone a dissability and turn them loose for two hours or so and Hollywood acts like voting them in all the categories is a way of showing that they care about that dissability. But vote for some epic film worthy of CB DeMille, and you obviously don't care about people with Schitzophrenia, Aids, or who only have a left foot. Years from now, do you think people will remember the art house crap, or the epic Ten Comandments films that are timeless? Now there is a thought, Chuck Heston as Gandalf..... Get your hands off me you damned dirty Hobbits!!!!
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Fellowship of the Rings winning the Oscar for best picture is as likely as Harry winning Slimmer of the Year.
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I'm really surprised by those who loved Moulin Rouge. I think it was over saturated with beautiful colors and great images. It took too much time to digest. Perhaps I'll get through it again, but it's too much. Plus the story sucked. Basically if you take the story from Baz Luhrman's Romeo and Juliet, then add the actors from Moulin Rouge, you might get a good movie. It's just too bad Leo can't act for shit these days. As for Nicole winning an Oscar: Good luck. I'd be willing to bet that Spacek already has that won even though the nominees haven't been announced yet.
Let's get one thing straight for all of those who feel their favorite films will be robbed by the awards: Good films are always second to the ones that make money. Winning awards will only help them make MORE money. That's what it's about. They spend it in add campaigns in order to make more of it in box office receipts and rentals. That's the sad truth. -
Look, PJ did a great job. But there is more to directing than just swooping the camera everywhere and cutting three times a second so that you can't tell what's going on in the battle scenes. Did any of you bother to actually SEE Gosford Park? It was wonderful! The performances that Altman got out of his actors were incredible (yes, getting great performances is part of directing, even more so than putting in cgi dragons and whatnot). The film had such nuance and wit, nothing in it was out of place and there was so much going on with the characters that one viewing cannot be enough to truly appreciate what a rich display of acting it was, and the conveying of that display is ALTMAN'S creation. Did any of you notice how his camera moved from one group to another, and through the set? It was nothing showy or over the top, but it was classic old-school direction at its finest. I like LOTR, I think PJ is a great guy, and he did (all sarcasm aside) an amazing job with LOTR. But just because he didn't win some silly award is no reason for any MATURE human being to go trashing whatever DID win that award! Grow up people!
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Moulin Rouge is not Romeo and Juliet. It's Traviata. Which is a famous opera. For those who haven't seen it, remember Pretty Woman? That's the opera he's taking her to see in that movie.
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Despite my UK base I saw ABM at a screening in the London early December before I saw LOTR. And the better news is I get to vote for it where it counts. (I love democracy.)
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There are two more LOTR films on the way, so you never know what might happen in the next two years. Personally, I was bored with Gosford Park, but I have to admit that it was WELL DIRECTED. I hated A Beautiful Mind, but I was pulling for Mulholland Drive. LOTR was a great film, I saw it three times, but I was not surprised that it didn't win. I won't be surprised if it misses out on the Oscars, though I am pulling for it. We have a great film here, and if it doesn't get the Golden Globe or the Oscar, it's no big deal. There are other great films that don't get awards.
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I agree with you on Denzel. Warners should rerelease Training Day before the Oscars and remind people of who gave the best performance of the year. All due respect to Crowe, who was very good in ABM, what Denzel did was much harder. Training Day was a daring role and he pulled it off. Denzel is not a handsome black leading man, like Sydney Poiter, he is a character actor on par with Brando, DeNiro, and Penn. He's that good.
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Firstly, I would agree with the defence of Harrison Ford. This guy has saved peoples lives off- screen is generally a nice guy and yet for some reason people are jumping all over him simply because he didn't perform whilst collecting an award. 'Oh he was really wooden.' WTF, he doesn't have to act whilst on stage you fools and anyway as most of you are saying, the Golden Globes are crap- Ford knows it and feels uncomfortable being there. Jeez you people dissing him are the same ones who've grown up and squealed with delight at his performances in Star Wars and Indiana Jones- talk about fickle.
My main point is that, yes Fellowship was a great movie, Peter Jackson did a tremendous job of completing each film back to back. However the more I read about how LOTR is going to get screwed at the awards, how fantastic the film is, how much better it is than every other film in existence, and worst of all, when I read about LOTR in a talkback that has nothing to do with the film. It is all these things in combination that gradually makes my respect for that film ebb away.
So in fact it isn't why dislike for any aspect for LOTR itself- in fact every aspect of the film suggests it is a worthy winner of a number of awards (my pick would be Mulholland Drive because it penetrated my thoughts so completely). My dislike comes from geeks like you, who have hyped this film way out of proportion. Maybe it is you in fact who have made the judges move from apparent popular opinion and choose A Beautiful Mind. I haven't seen this film but as someone has already mentioned, awards panels love films about overcoming adversity, especially if they are real-life situations, no matter the quality of the film. As a consequence you lot shouldn't have been surprised, and anyway it's only a crappy awards ceremony. Just enjoy Fellowship for it's inherent quality rather than expecting it to gain further worth by winning awards. Chill. -
"memento's script was more intelligently written"..... but LOTR is still a superior piece of cinema. Which films will be remembered more in 20 years time? Don't get me wrong, memento is great, but the best film winner should be about more than just having a smart script. Great cinema is about more than that. A Beautiful Mind is not that great, though it is a fine film. E.T. is a better piece of pure cinema than Gandhi, which beat it to the oscar. LOTR is a great piece of CINEMA, and deserves the award for best film.
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MOULIN ROUGE. Moulin Rouge was everything that the cinema is about. It was visual, exciting, and moving. It was just a pure piece of movie FUN, and would be my Best Picture winner if all that mattered was what was the biggest visual cinematic feast of the year. LOTR I liked, but the characters didn't mean anything to me until I went back and read the book, and I view that as a weakness of the script. Moulin Rouge didn't require you to take anything in the theater with you except a love of theater. LOTR didn't work for me until I took in the knowledge I had gleaned from the books. So that's at least how I look at that. LOTR was a good fun movie, but no way would I personally name it the Best Picture of the Year when 2001 included The Royal Tenenbaums, Black Hawk Down, Memento, Amelie, Monsters Inc, Moulin Rouge, The Others, A Beautiful Mind, Waking Life, Harry Potter (yes I loved it dammit), The Man Who Wasn't There, The Devil's Backbone, A.I., Brotherhood of the Wolf, Ghost World, Vanilla Sky, Oceans Eleven, Gosford Park, Ali, and the Majestic (my top 20 of the year, by the way).
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in the knowledge that a nomination is better than no recognition at all. Ya got to realize that the 'losers' are the hundreds of mediocre to piss-poor movies that never even made it to anybody's first draft of best anything! Too bad that the awards make it seem that only the winner is worthy and the other nominees are no better than the rest of the dreck. Shit, horse races pay off on the first THREE horses, not just the 'winner'.
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Jan 21, 2002 10:56:15 AM CST
good point actually vegas, moulin rouge is fantastic
by captain katanga
devil's backbone was also amazing. In fact looking at your list i'm surprised you didnt like lotr more. I cant believe you would rate brotherhood of the wolf, monsters inc, waking life, the others, gosford park, majesti, ali or beautiful mind higher. Theyre all good, but truly great pieces of cinema they are not. Each to his own I suppose.
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I also cannot believe that people rate this film very highly. What does it bring thats new to the war film? Nothing. It's yet another relentless realistic depiction of war by a yet another director who fetishizes slaughter. Ridley Scott may have tacked on a pretentious Plato quote at the start, and he may pretend its an anti war film, but in reality its a film designed for gung ho rednecks to cheer at as the Zulus get mowed down one after the other. Theres no context, no attempt to explain why the somalis hated the americans; they are just a bunch of savages. The scene where eric bana bazookas the jeep of zulus isnt anti war.... its designed to get people cheering, even including a cutaway to the face of a savage as he realises he's about to get blown up....its designed to get people cheering in the aisles. Black Hawk Down does not deserve any awards. OOps I'll get down off my soap box now!!
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OK, its bad enough that we have to be subject to more awards for Russell "Give Me Your Sloppy Seconds" Crowe, but it is straight up BS that Damien Lewis did not win best actor for Band Of Brothers. Anyone who has read the book and seen this series, which was BY FAR the best thing on film in 2001, knows how perfectly he nailed the great hero who was Dick Winters. For shame, Hollywood Foreign Press, for shame. Tell me there is someone who agrees!!!
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have a nice day??? ....thanks. I think you are totally wrong about memento and fight club. The others you mention are great, and will be remembered...as will LOTR. What gets me is that I guarantee if you asked the directors of any of the films you mention, they would all LOVE LOTR. It belongs AMONGST them. Fight Club is a fun film, but its totally pretentious, its psychobabble for teenagers. Saving Private Ryan's script is horribly flawed.
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Okay, so I was rooting for LOTR, so what? I think I would have been just as happy if The Man Who Wasn't There was picked, or any other nominee that showed some originality. A Beautiful Mind might have been a good, even great, movie, but come on GG. Stop taking the easy way out by choosing the Big Hollywood Movie with the Big Leading Man and the Big Director who tackle the Big Controversial Subject. That's all. I may be right, I may be wrong.
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Anyone else realize that Betty Ross (Connelly), Harry Osborn (Franco) and Elektra (Garner)all won Golden Globes last night? As a long time Marvel comic book fan, psyched for all the upcoming movies, I thought that was particularly amusing and cool.
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Jan 21, 2002 11:42:29 AM CST
Ok...let's keep this simple and in terms people can understa
by huneybee
LotR was robbed!__I am delighted with all of Moulin Rouge's wins.__M*A*S*H is still hysterically funny after all these years, but Altman shouldn't have won.__Shore should have won.__Sting? BaH!__Hurray for Connelly, Kidman and Crowe.__Opie cried??? Okay....__AlphaHelix, you suck and blow. I remember you from the chatroom.__Oh, and ZC?? Are you trying to "come out". Is there something you feel the need to share with us? ;)____Bee
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the GOLDEN GLOBES are the biggest publicity stunt crap bullshit award. it's almost as bad as the people's choice awards
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Jan 21, 2002 1:03:17 PM CST
OH HARRY! IF YOU`D HAVE LESS TESTOSTERON YOU WOULD ONLY BE BLOWN
by drjones
NO MATTER IF HE LOOKS A BIT BORED..(and theyak! your explaining was pretty good:D:D:D!!!
AND DID YA SAW THIS SCENE WHEN STEVEN ARMS HARRISON....OH MY GOD!! THAT`S ......oh i`m not able to find any words for it...i really get geekasms....
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i just wanted to add this...
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THE TALKBACK IS IN RIGHT ORDER....oh thanks harry...thanks..thanks... thanks
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Yes the movie is original in the style of how it's told, but the story is basically bland as hell.
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And Ashok, I think FOTR did have the magic that Star Wars and Indiana Jones had, it's not just fanboys who thought this was a great film. There are plenty of people who haven't read the books that enjoyed the film - just because there are things which the film touches on that are expounded upon in the book doesn't mean it requires the book to follow the film - if there were no book at all, this film would stand alone just fine. And what the hell do you mean 'repetitive'? Certainly no more repetitive than Star Wars or Indy....you could take any film and call it repetitive if you chose - look at this drama (insert name), they talk, they go someplace else, they talk, someone cries, they talk, cries again, etc... Action adventures by their very nature follow a structure of action interspersed with exposition and travel. I could, if I chose, accuse some of the classics of being repetitive, but I don't, because I don't think they are.
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I say let 'Moulin Rouge' win all the Best Score awards at other award shows because it does deserve the awards (after all, the music is one of the main parts of the film), but 'The Lord of the Rings' should DEFINITELY win the Oscar for Best Score for a Motion Picture because it is just so damn good - if it isn't nominated I'll eat Peter Jackson's shorts, no wait, I won't.
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Jan 21, 2002 1:53:52 PM CST
You guys that think Harrison ford is dull ARE WAAAYY OFFF!!!
by sabretooth1974
He's obviously fightiung off the effects of sitting in front of a stage all night with 5 dollar bills in his mouth while some 19 year old does her ping pong ball trick. ( Why his wife left him.)
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SCREENPLAY: 'what the #$"?!' A Beautiful Mind, was Beautifully boring. Memento had this one wrapped up.
SONG: Even Sting was floored that that miserable song won. No one thought that was going to happen. "Come What May" from Moulin Rouge was the clear winner.
FOREIGN FILM: okay okay, I didn't see any other foreign films, but Amelie was just so brilliant, i have to say 'what the #$"?!'
DIRECTOR: fine. It's robert altman and he's old and has never won. fine. he 'effortlessly' tells the story with some 30 leads. give him a damned lifetime achievement award! there were three clear winners above him. Baz Lurman & Peter Jackson & Steven Spielberg.
Lurman did the most amazing work on a film as director and everything else that it is just dumb he didn't win. Jacksons adaption to screen of LOTR was masterful and to have so so few complaints on such a huge adaption, that is an amazing directorial achievment. And while i was not the biggest A.I. fan, Spielberg captured Kubrick brilliantly, a sign of a true master at his craft.
ACTOR COM/MUS: fine Hackman deserved it. But Ewan McGregor was hands down... jawdropping. I just wanted to mention that.
ACTRESS DRA: Sissy was awesome, but not too much special. Although I didn't see it, I heard Halle deserved it.
and finally,
PICTURE: WHAT THE GOOD GOSH DARNED?!?!?! *grumble* That boring piece of... fine, it was a good movie. But nowhere near the best film. P-LEASE!! I just hope the Academy can see past the ends of their noses. I would have been fine with any other winner. But LOTR would have been nice ;-)
Some spot on choices were made, but this was a night of... RANDOM! It was all over the place. Now we wait to see if the Academy can redeem some of this crap. -
i felt it the year Titanic(a big-budget re-hashed romantic sap IMHO) won over L.A. Confidential, When Chocolat n others pushed out wonder boys out at the Oscars.
I remember so many movies, awesome movies with progressive and brave story-telling. And so much more desrving than the competetion. These movies deserve to be seen, to be experienced by a larger audience, to educate, to enlighten(or disturb) auidiences around the world. In a media-driven world, where awards and smiling actors comport under BIG BOLD headlines, the movies I usually root for get nudged under the archaic, dusty 'nominations' pile. For once, I would like these movies to be ushered to the world in the 'Hollywood' ceremonial elegance and splendor.
I would like more people to experience and appreciate these movies much like I do. I mean..Legally Blonde? WTF? Moulin Rouge..Best Score?
I havent seen 'A beautiful Mind' but it really doesnt seem extra-ordinary. I mean..how many times does hollywood hand out awards to the same hackneyed "one man's/woman's struggle against self/govt./evil midget nazis/the lead's handicap, mental, emotional or both" god..i am sick of that shit! what about movies that push the envelope, move into new frontiers of cinema? how about once applauding the 'brave' film-makers out there? how many people you know still remember 'Reqieum for a Dream'?
Julia Roberts wins over that performance? Fuck me..
heres what i propose...
AICN should have its own online Award show. The entire staff there would pick out the best performances, film, directors etc.
Mebbe there could be a member's vote for best film or something too. This would be awesome for all the lil' guys out there in that sycophantic Hollywood machine! think about it. wouldn't the following make you smile?
BEST SCREENPLAY:CHRISTOPHER NOLAN(Momento)
BEST DIRECTOR: PETER JACKSON(LOTR)
BEST FILM:LOTR:FOTR
one more time for all the lil' guys!! And by the way having seen Brain Dead, Heavenly Creatures, The Frighteners and Bad Taste..i must say they are all awesome. for the guy ripping on Frighteners...dude! that was a fun popcornish movie...rent it out again.
Out!
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...ahem....It's an ADAPTATION of the world's best known trilogy, not something Jackson cooked up in his brain like Lucas did. If you want to fault LOTR then fault the books NOT the film adaptation. What the film does is actually improve on the book, in my opinion (as I've just completed the first book), and if you have problems with lack of character development well then the landscape descriptions which go on and on and on (it's basically a travelogue of the fantasy world Tolkien created) would have made you REALLY hate it compared to the film.
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Jan 21, 2002 3:49:20 PM CST
I'm all up for Memento winning as many screenwriting awards
by llghtst0rmer
As a movie, it's fine; it keeps you guessing, it pulls you in and involves you, and it has great performances by all the leads. But it's the script that really shines. If nothing else, Nolan showed he can type up one hell of a flick. In terms of great cinema, well, it's short on spectacle. I'll admit LOTR excels as a "see it on the big screen" kind of film. Not that I'm saying a movie is only good when it contains vast, expansive landscapes or gigantic monsters, or planet-sized space stations, or mile-long ships sinking into the ocean at a 90-degree angle... hell, "When Harry Met Sally" is in my all-time top 10, and it's just a talking-heads kind of flick. But there are some... Shawshank, A Few Good Men, Fight Club... that have excellent scripts that come to life on film in a way they never could in any other medium. Anyone with me on this? Anyone wonder why the hell I prattle on so damn much? Anyways: Memento script good... LOTR spectacle also good.
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Jan 21, 2002 4:01:59 PM CST
about as much intelligence as the rest of the posts, but more fu
by empyreal0
God I'd love to get my hands on that Thora Birch. What a fox.
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This is exactly my point too! In another forum on here, "Moriarty's List" or whatever I address this. Movies and moviemakers need to take chances and do something different. and trust me, there will always be a way to make something different. I am a filmmaker myself and get insulted when a movie claims to be new and different and is just the same dreck we see all the time (A Beautiful Mind).
There are certain movies that break the mold and form into something greater. These are the movies that you leave the theater knowing you have experienced something... something grand. Luhrmann, Fincher, Wes Anderson, Jeneut, Lynch, the Coens... just to name a few directors who take that extra leap into the unknown and truly make it special. It's just unfortunate because a lot of these films are difficult to publicize and they easily get glossed over by the public and academy voters due to poor publicity. Guarenteed, if Shawshank Redemption had better press, it would've been recongized as the greatest film ever at the time (bring on the naysayers).
A few that I know broke the mold this year were, Moulin Rouge/Memento/Amelie/(whether you liked it or not) Vanilla Sky... etc. there is so much you can do with this art form. it is such a disappointment when it seems like people just don't try. or at least don't have any vision. Turning out entertainment (Shrek, Ocean's Eleven, even Tomb Raider) is one thing. But to pretend you are making a "Film" and turn out crap like, A Beautiful Mind... please don't waste my time. -
...if it's half as good as all the recognition here would imply, then Ron Howard has finally made something spectacular. For years, I've been saying Howard has been right on the edge of making something great, but was always hindered by this apparent need to water down his films into easy-to-swallow, run-of-the-mill, Hollywood movies. Apollo 13 was probably the best showcase of his abilities, but since it was based on events that pretty much everyone was familiar with (and the fact that it was one of those "all-American," give-it-the-college-try kind of stories,) it precluded the film from being a real groundbreaking work for him. If "Beautiful Mind" is what the movie is purported to be, then Ron Howard's finally nailed it. However, I hear it really isn't what it's being made out to be; the story is predictable, the characters only go so deep, and Russel Crowe is getting all the kudos, which he, in turn, tries to attribute to Howard's contributions. So to those who've seen the film, is this summary too far off, or is it an apt description? Just curious.
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this started as an idea of mine on the TORN MB ... //
what do you think about us fantasy/sci-fans trying to cooperate and perhaps collect some 5-10 US$ (equivalent) per fan and decide to hand out some kind of fan-based award? It has to be something not too expensive of course LOL ... and we -
Actually, I hesitated for a second before I included "A Few Good Men" on that short list, but I decided to throw it in. Yes, it's another "talky" film, (like "When Harry Met Sally,") but with certain distinctions: it was a great script married with a great sense of cinema in it's presentation. I think Fight Club, AFGM, and Shawshank all fit this description, more than Memento, which is what I was comparing them to. Memento was an excellent script, with, IMHO, an only slightly above-average presentation. Basically, the film had limited scope. (Which, again, is fine... Sex, Lies, and Videotape was outstanding, and had pretty much no scope at all.) But I thought A Few Good Men was even better... no jaw-dropping special effects or locales, but it worked on film as perfectly as a courtroom drama could. Rob Reiner did such a terrific job shooting the film and editing it, all with so much deceptive simplicity to it. I mean, I'm not saying it's like a Truffaut film or something, but the pacing, the energy, the wit... he captured it all and put it onscreen, larger than life. I mean, the close-ups alone justify the film being translated from the stage to the screen. I don't know... I guess I'm a little too in love with the flick, perhaps. Maybe no one else sees the cinematic quality of the movie the way I choose to; I wouldn't blame anyone for disagreeing. ;-) But you at least have to admit that the film version of Shawshank had a life of it's own, and Fight Club -love it or hate it- is pretty much what the art of film is all about, right? (PS: "If Morgan Freeman had gotten to that little box before the escape, he would have found the gun in it." I'm sorry... what? Why am I not following you?)
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P-lease! A Beautiful Mind everything you just described about other Howard movies. It is a great movie, but it's watered down and doesn't push the envelope at all. It was a boring movie with some great acting. I don't know who has been giving ABM kudos, but i have posted 3 times on this thing and have made a point to show the true ABM each time. It is a nothing film that seems like every other 'dramatic' film ever done. Especially by ron howard. Oppie is exactly what you say, a good director who waters down everything he does. He could be great, but he holds back. ABM holds back and does nothing in the end. I walked out of this movie saying, "Hmf. That was a good movie." And THAT IS IT. It deserves nothing more than 'It was a good movie', 'The acting was great' and 'I really wish it wasn't so unoriginal'.
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While that's certainly a nice idea, and your heart is in the right place, but why the hell should we as fans give out our own awards?? The 10 bucks or so that I plunk down to go see these films should be reward enough. They should thank US. That's what I think.
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yes, these film are spectacular filmmaking. They both reserve their spaces in BEST MOVIES EVER in my book.
As for the Dufrane guilty idea. I don't think so. but not a bad idea, it would've changed the entire tone of the movie. I agree, if Lynch directed that would've been it. Honestly, if it were a different type of King novel, it would've happened like that. BUT, thank god it didn't. Art I tell you! ART! -
-HBO shows, as good as they are, shouldn
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will mostly go to NLC & co ...
NOT to the actual folks like director, producers, costume designers, composer, special effect team, etc etc etc AFAIK at least not directly ...
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I think that there is a formula to the Oscars as to what will win. Basically, a film must make some sort of "statement" about the values that the Academy wants to be associated with. Films that are edgy, cynical, darkly satirical, or are good productions of straightforward adventure, fantasy, crime, mystery, comedy, or musical-- these don't win. That basically rules out Memento and Moulin Rouge as winners at Oscar time (although lavish musical productions have won in the distant past). --- The three top contenders this year are LOTR, A Beautiful Mind, and In the Bedroom. Stories about an individual or a family overcoming some sort of adversity (physical, social, psychological) are right up there (Rain Man, Ordinary People, even Rocky). A crime story can win, as long as there is something tragic or even noble about the main bad guys (Godfathers, Silence of the Lambs). The big winners are usually epic and historical in scope, touching on some milestone event (Schindler's List, Titanic, Platoon), or perhaps a lavish biopic of some genius or central historical character (Amadeus, Shakespeare in Love, Gandhi, The Last Emperor). Epics directed by actors win (Dances with Wolves, Unforgiven, Braveheart -- often overcoming other weaknesses). "Swords and sandals" or anything with desert scenes are favorites (Gladiator, English Patient). --- With these criteria, I would bet on A Beautiful Mind winning, with LOTR a close second. LOTR doesn't quite fit the mold-- swords, but not historical. Furry feet, but no sandals. A risk when the movie is not really complete until the other 2 come out (why award now, when the other two could go downhill? Or alternatively, could be better, and so worth greater recognition?). Can LOTR escape its own escapism? Is it "real" enough that serious, high-minded people who want to make a social statement want to be associated with it? --- I think the next LOTR movies might have a better chance in any case. FOTR is burdened with a longwinded setup, and repetitive road trip adventures. TTT can't be anything but a rocking adventure (with at least one real story resolution), but this will probably not be high-brow enough. The Return of the King may be the one to bet on (it won't be a whimpering Return of the Jedi). The book is almost operatic in tone, with scenes of stunning power, and potentially pushing the audience to severe emotional trauma. Any hobbity whimsy will be painful to watch considering the context. TROTK is the book I've often thought about in terms of cinematic quality-- the one I most want to see, because of the enormous talent and energy that would be required to pull it off.
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If you haven't seen A Beautiful Mind you can't even begin to know what it's about. It's not what you think it is and that's what makes it so great. You go in expecting this and you walk out with that. I love the spectacle big budget films too just as much as the small indie character driven flicks. I was thrilled when Titanic won cause it took me away while watching it, but was just as thrilled when American Beauty walked away a winner. A huge difference between those two films. LOTR is amazing, but doesn't impact me emotionally like A Beautiful Mind did. I don't have the feeling I did when Andy Dufresne climbed from the river and raised his hands to the sky in Shawshank. Or when Jenny told Forrest Gump to run away if he was ever in trouble just before he headed off to Vietnam. Last year an epic sword wielding movie won Best Picture so this year they may go with something smaller along the lines of American Beauty. American Beauty to Beautiful Mind.
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I see what you're saying. And I think your theory is pretty strong, truth be told. I hadn't even thought about it before. The thing is, though, I think Andy was already certain he was going to make it out of the prison. I mean, he was talking about "get busy livin' or get busy dyin'," and it was pretty obvious where his decision lay. (Of course, whether he was referring to it as a decision or just a "next possible step" --meaning he wasn't 100% sure he could escape-- is another good argument.) So I believe he was telling Red about the box, already having planned what he was going to do. Just my take on it. (But I do like yours.) I guess if nothing else, the movie's a great one just for it's ability to be talked about and debated long after it's watched. And to think it lost Best Picture to Forrest Gump!
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Award shows are just an ego driven excuse to tell the world,
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here is what I think will happen with LOTR: it will get completely ignored this year and next, but the year after that it will win every award out there. By then everyone will know the whole story and giving it an award then will kind of be like giving the whole trilogy an award. Right?
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whoever equated ABM with Fight Club, did NOT see EITHER movie. I see what they are trying to say (although I wont give anything away), but ABM never really had any reveal. There was a small twist which you know for most of the movie and it is not a big deal.
Also, thevisitor, you were saying that Denzel keeps getting snubbed?? He WON for The Hurricane at the GG last year! Do your research.
I totally agree though about the double standard of ABM to Hurricane.
As for Altman winning. I am not saying he doesn't deserve an award for his body of work, but a "Best Director" Award that does not make. He should be judged on THIS movie and THIS year, not on his body of work. That is why they gave Harrison Ford his GG for Lifetime Achievment, because he has never won before, but he is awesome. Don't assume Altman deserves to win just because of his past accomplishments. That is not what the awards are about.
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LOTR will get snubbed for all 3 years I think. Not that I want it to. I love it. But it just wont do it, it's not the right 'type' of movie. As for an award for all 3 in the end? Nope. Look at Star Wars. It got nominated for A New Hope and nothing for the rest. I do unfortunately see a snubbing happening. Besides, the next 2 in the series will be harder sells. Expectations are high now, and to pick up a story in the middle and end on a cliffhanger... that's tough. And I always felt ROTK was a bit clumsy in the storytelling in the end. I love it, can't wait. But I see snubbing.
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Floydof73 - I do agree, very strongly. I became an instant fan of Damian Lewis after watching him play Dick Winters in Band of Brothers. I was SO disappointed when he didn't win best actor in a mini-series for it. I can't wait to see more of his work.
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That post brings a whole new meaning to the term "flame war". Good luck on getting in touch with your sensitive side and do you think the hemline will fall above or below the knee this spring?____Bee
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The Golden Globes gotta be rigged!
WHY THE HELL WASN'T PEARL HARBOR NOMINATED!!!
It was by far the FUNNIEST movie ever.
The screenplay deserves props for managing to put in every single Soap Opera scenario in a movie that was a meger 3 hours!!!
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Jan 22, 2002 1:01:28 AM CST
In a fair and just world, Memento will get best screenplay and L
by tall_boy
but we all know the world is not fair and just...actually, all this talk of LOTR makes me realize its been almost a month since I saw it for the second time... methinks I should get thy ass to cheapie tuesday tomorrow, pronto.
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Jan 22, 2002 1:35:28 AM CST
Why are people acting like it is NEWS that THORA BIRCH is a STON
by seethersnaps
She's been legal for a while...
birthday is 3/11/1982. Anyone
who knows where to find ANY PICS
of her from the GG award show,
e-mail them to me at seethersnaps@hotmail.com THANKS!
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A BEAUTIFUL MIND?? ZZZZzzzzzz....
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Anyone else notice that the ones who throw this monicker around the most, also seem to view George Lukas as a God. Just an observation.
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Moulin Rouge is probably the most overhyped and anticlimactic piece of pap since Shrek. It's lame. Sure, I can't argue against the LOOK of the film. Simply put, it looks AMAZING. And the editing is equally wonderful. But c'mon, it's supposed to be a MUSICAL. And Nicole looks hot, damned straight. BUT, if the best you can say about a musical is that it looks great and has superb editing and the lead looks hot, then it's a FAILURE. The fact is, the score is TERRIBLE. Lame-ass Elton John junk gussied up with lots of frills and red -- hooray for Hollywood. Not. The story was trite too. And that's to say nothing of Kidman and McGregor, both great actors, BUT THEY CAN'T SING!!!!! Style over substance is ultimately empty, and that's the way Moulin Rouge left me. It's as nourishing as some sour sherbet. Nice fizz, but that's all.
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Jan 22, 2002 1:26:55 PM CST
Hmm, an awards show -- must be disease-of -the-month time
by yojimbo jones
Don't get me wrong, A Beautiful Mind is a nice, worthy film with a hot actor. But once again, awards voters take the pretentious high ground on the pathetic interpretation that another disease -- this time schizophrenia -- equals high art. This is getting so tired. NO WAY in hell does ABM come anywhere remotely close to LOTR. LOTR is not a perfect film by any strectch, but it's miles better than anything else this year. The fact that Jackson can 1. surpass expectations; 2. impress hardcore fans of the book; 3. dazzle audiences who've never read a sentence of Tolkien; 4. awe the critics; and 5. make loads o' dough at the box office, makes LOTR perhaps the greatest literary adaptation since Gone With the Wind. LOTR has made going to blockbusters worthwhile again. Hollywood should be rejoicing, but then again, this ain't a Hollywood movie. Figures. And since poncy critics are always going to laud disease dramas over fantasy epics, we'll just have to get used to films like ABM winning awards and being forgotten 5 years down the road whereas an epic like LOTR will get passed over and live on as a landmark for many, many decades.
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