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The DUDE reveals perspective on NSYNC/EPISODE 2 scoop! NEW STAR WARS EPISODE 2 publicity Pics!!!
Hey folks, Harry here... There are all sorts of things about the anti-NSYNC slamming of George Lucas that bothers me. Sure we ADULTS might not like NSYNC, but the kids do. You might be into more SOPHESTICATED MUSICAL STUFF and feel NSYNC is just terrible, but ya know... sometimes daughters, younger siblings, family... sometimes if you have the ability to just stick a smile on their faces and do something that makes them look at you like you're the coolest person in the world... You do it. I did tons of this type of stuff with my lil sis. Took her to the TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES Rock Concert, got backstage passes so she could... MEET THE TURTLES... I took her to all the Christian Slater movies... as a result it led me to both TRUE ROMANCE and UNTAMED HEART (ugh). I got Kevin Eastman to draw her favorite turtle (Donatello) at a comic convention and literally... I WAS A GOD in her eyes. Well George's daughter digs NSYNC.... McCallum knew this... They are in for a blink of an eye, but that day... George was a god to his kid. Now he's been a god to people like you and me since we were squirts... How many of you guys' parents endured mindless babble about Anakin and the Volcano and how yucky the kiss between Luke and Leia was in Empire once you learned they were related? Well George was doing that for his kid AND making the NSYNC guys' wish come true at the same time. Now, luckily my sister isn't NSYNC age, but the coolest man ever.... THE DUDE, Jeff Dowd the man that inspired THE BIG LEBOWSKI, wrote me a letter and dropped me a couple of pics... Here ya go maybe this'll put it in perspective!
Yes that is the Dude's daughters Keely 9 and Annabelle 6 with Lance from
N'SYNC on the set of his movie ON THE LINE because the kids wanted to meet
N'SYNC so we went to Toronto to do it--kinda of the converse of George
putting them in his movie or Harry flying to LOTR in New Zealand
Some of your letter writer's will have daughters some day and understand what
the priorities are and understand that George Lucas seems to be handling it
in a great way
The payoff for me was this. WHen both Keely and Annabelle were little babies
I would rock them back to sleep to Al Green's LET'S STAY TOGETHER--often lip
syncing it. For a while they thought I was AL green until they discovered I
couldn't even sing Mary Had A little Lamb in key and busted me.
My friend Eric Bross put Keely and Annabelle in the last scene of the movie
dancing with AL green to LET'S STAY TOGETHER
Dad's and daughters
Dude
Harry here... with all this NSYNC bs, it can be destracting from why STAR WARS is cool. The mythology is fun, the future tech is cool, Natalie Portman is hot, everything Yoda says rules, Christopher Lee is a god, Temeura Morrison is a super badass, John Williams kicks ass, swooping ships rule, Ewan kicks ass... These are things that are simply true. I love STAR WARS, the one sheet over my bed is the original Style D one sheet. I have an extended collection of Star Wars autographs and all my original figures. Just because I happen to ALSO love LORD OF THE RINGS doesn't mean I now hate STAR WARS. I think it is absolutely awesome that I have a new Star Wars movie and the second LOTR flick coming this next year. Now, we just got sent a ton of pics that are up on http://starwars.gamigo.de/member/tai-zec/sidious
Hey folks, Harry here. The firebomb of news regarding N'SYNC being confirmed for a split second cameo in ATTACK OF THE CLONES seems to have been a real WAGES OF FEAR style bump in the road for many AICN Star Wars lovers.
My phone has been glued to my ear as TOO MANY people have been calling me protesting this to the 4 corners of the universe. Then there are the people wanting me to be the voice of reason here.
First off there's the NSYNC are Star Wars fans, they wanted to be a tiny little part of STAR WARS. Something insignificant to anyone, but themselves. They wanted a cameo. Lucas allegedly dressed them in robes, put them off the background and had them killed. If it plays as Lucasfilm is saying (and remember they once claimed that Ewan MacGregor wasn't going to be in these films and that Lucas had never heard of him) then the scene will not mean anything to anyone, but the members of that boy band. For them, it might mean all the world. Now you and I... we might not care what it means to them, but they had a way of getting that desire to George and they made their dream come true. Having been lucky enough to make a number of my own dreams come true... I can't begrudge them this.
Hell, if I had flown myself to New Zealand one week earlier than I had, I could have been one of the Dwarf Lords in deep make-up and that would have been one of the greatest coolest things in the history of my life. This wasn't something that Peter told me, but Richard Taylor and the WETA guys. Now just imagine how much FELLOWSHIP OF THE RINGS would have sucked had the bloated fat sellout piece of shit had been one of those dwarf lords.... unrecognizable to anyone (unless the bastard told you) and on screen for a quarter second. I would have been on screen for a period of time so short that even with the immense lack of talent I obviously have... I technically couldn't possibly destroy the whole film, but ultimately.... I was handed a clacker and was on film operating the little clack board and saying the take numbers and stuff and that was as cool as I could ever imagine it being. And my shakingly terrified performance as a clacker guy, sent Peter into a fit of giggles...
This is very much a non-issue, unless there's more to the story than we're hearing. With them not having dialogue, not having a close-up and not being featured, this means it won't be an embarrasing cameo like Glen Close's terrible pirate in HOOK... which was just a starfucking endeavor. This is something that George could do to make his daughter happy. It is very much like in BLADE 2 when you see the KRISPY KREME box of donuts... that makes Robogeek very happy. That's why that is there. It is something insignificant to the vast majority, that the filmmaker included for the delight of the fewest without detracting from the whole.
"BUT THEY'RE NSYNC!!!!"
Look, I understand.... I would be going apeshit nuts over this if they had a real part. It ticks me off knowing that the boy band will be Jedi... it would be like if they dressed up the BEATLES in space suits and had them be the moon surveyors in 2001... it would be a distraction that you wouldn't need or want. But folks... there are other things I'm concerned about...
Will Natalie Portman and Hayden Christiansen sleepwalk through their romance in the film delivering it to be stiff and utterly uninvolving?
Will Boba Baby drive me insane?
Will Yoda fighting look utterly retarded?
Has Jar Jar been pushed enough into the background to be rendered less annoying?
Will Jimmy Smits not annoy me?
Will the brilliant young actress Ayesha Dharker from the fantastic movie THE TERRORIST have a part of any significance and will she blossom in the role?
Will the polarizing between Ob1 and Anakin feel like a 90210 buddy breakup thing or will it feel real?
Is Anakin going to whine for the whole film?
Will Digital Yoda not look right given his appearance as a puppet in the other film and will it lead to a digital Yoda replacing him in Empire, Jedi and Phantom?
Will this Jango Fett character just be a bang bang character or will he be developed on screen?
Will the 'darker' elements feel organic or calculated?
Will more of the acting feel connected with the actors on screen? Has George learned that placing actors on green screen solely and not having someone to act with can lead to very stiff acting?
One of my chief worries about George is his insistence to place cute little things all over the place. Turning STAR WARS into a Where's WALDO episode... That's the concerning thing about putting NSYNC in here... that it isn't something that serves the story necessarily... I mean what lame Jedi teacher taught this little Boy Band group of Jedi that could be wiped out so instantly? Couldn't they 'feel' a disturbance and get out of the way? But no matter... it is allegedly a second of screen time. That I can handle. It is all the other questions and doubts that I'm concerned about.
Ultimately I just want to have fun with these films. At this point I know that George is going to do whatever makes George happy, he doesn't really care too much about his original audiences' concerns... though it could be argued that the creation of this Jango Fett character is a direct bow to those fans... that the lessening of JarJar was that... Who knows?
At least NSYNC isn't singing at the cantina on Coruscant and has an MTV tie in video... yet....
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People, we are dealing with terrorism. We are dealing with a recession. We are dealing with global warming, anthrax in the mail, and there's still no cure for cancer. If you bitch and moan about whom Lucas has decided to cast as EXTRAS, as "Third dying Jedi from the left," then you need to get your priorities straight. They will be on screen for a blurry second, then KILLED. Grow up people.
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Ep I: Vader as a kid = Kiddie flick. Ep II Vader as a teen = teen flick. Ep III: ?
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Jan 03, 2002 3:07:28 PM CST
George would be happy if we were all mindless schmucks who would
by smugbug
the sad thing is now were going to be getting hordes of screaming 14-yr old girlies into AoTC showings screaming that they've spotted a N'Sync boy. Yeah, nice.
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Harry you hit every single point that I feel is important. I think it's the ultimate Easter Egg and so insignificant that I can't see why everyone is going to so crazy. Despite what most think I do believe that Lucas listens to his fans... Jar Jar was a major character in the trilogy now he's being pushed back due to the negative fan response. He also got help on the script, even if it is Jonathan Hales, it's still help. Another request from fans. Just give the man a chance to do his film and let's stop ripping down every little detail we read in the newspaper. Don't say it sucks before you've seen it.
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You know, like thier song? "Pop"? Get it? I am so sorry.
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I'll have to sell off all my star wars crap............!! Pain, counseling........thank god for LOTR......What the hell is the deal with Lucas? Phuggit...
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As long as they die, or I don't notice them, an N'Sync cameo is fine by me. Christopher Lee should kill them, that would be something special...
Heh heh... Christopher Lee murdering N'Sync...
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I mean, I can understand all the mispelling and horrible grammar coming from us fanboy idiots who take all of 30 seconds to fly through our talkbacks, but come on Harry! You're a movie reviewer. A provider of "scoops." In essence, a reporter. An entertainment reporter to be sure, and self made at that. But your still a reporter. And any reporter with the audacity to hand what I just read to their editor would be fired so fast it would make a dot commers head spin. Either learn how to write or else hire someone to write for you. Sheesh.
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did you people see the same trailer i did? i've got nothing against teenie bopper chick flicks (cough - unrealistic expectations - cough - cough) but star wars established that it had a different kind of romance. a romance involving fleshed out characters (not vacuous, 2d teen star archtypes) having their red-pimply-faced tantrums because the adults won't let them date. i wasn't the only one laughing in the theater when "anni" huffed that obi wan was holding him back and then stormed off on his motorcycle-speeder. sure, this is an appealing "bad boy" image to a 10 year old girl, but only to a 10 year old girl. this is an attempt to pull a "titanic-type" cash in at the expence of any appeal to an adult viewer with any discrimination. regardless of how much money it makes it appears that it will be just as hollow and formulaic as titanic. i paid to see episode I once but i learned from my mistake.
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Jan 03, 2002 3:10:54 PM CST
for all of the fanboys who say "it may not be perfect but the ef
by deep 13
if you HAVE to see a few good lightsabre fight scenes SO BADLY that you're willing to pay money and endure all the laughingly bad dialogue, non-character development and insultingly flimsy plot contrivances that go along with them--then you are giving your APPROVAL of what has become of these stories. i wouldn't have spent a cent on episode I if i'd known what a sorry excuse for a movie my admission fee was supporting.
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Geez, I just heard that they
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Jan 03, 2002 3:11:35 PM CST
to all the people who say star wars has always been kids movies
by deep 13
you're half right. the original movies were accessible to kids but were still appealing to adults. return of the jedi was the first step in the dumbing-down, sanatizing process (although i still enjoyed luke's confrontation with vader) that currently plagues so much media meant for kids. it's like comparing bugs bunny to barney. bugs bunny provided material that kids could grasp and laugh at but it still provided entertainment for adults the that were watching too. sometimes there were jokes that flew right over the kids heads but that's good because it forced the kids to figure things out. bugs bunny was silly but it was fun for adults and kids while barney is nothing but over-simplified drivle that trains kids not to think.
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i know that my $8.50 will hardly be missed but if enough people put their money where there mouth is and just DON'T GO then maybe it would hit home. the idea will catch on that "genre" movies and tv shows won't necessarily have a built in audience eager for cool effects regardless of poor content. i wish that i hadn't paid to see episode one and i'll be damned if i'm going to give a dime to "Episode II - Melrose Space"
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I wasnt even bothered about the N sync stuff. I was already convinced that the movie was gonna suck (with a quiet hope that mabye it might surprise me) and then Harry goes off pointing out all these other things that might go wrong with it that had never occurred to me. Now I am sure its gonna suck. I'll say it again...100 million billion things can go wrong when making a movie..is it possible that Lucas has actually doubled that number?
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Jan 03, 2002 3:14:27 PM CST
www.modsquad.virtualdogshit.com <- theforce.net's dirty laun
by []d[][]v[][]d
If Jango Fett is Luca's "bowing" to fans demands then it is now wonder that a fucking boyband has a bit part in Episode 2. Jango Fett is a unoriginal and unimaginative characther, a retread from ESB. Oh, I'm sorry, Jango Fett's Slave 1 is a "minivan" version of of Boba Fett's Slave 1 with a baby seat and cupholders. Fans wanted more Darth Maul in Episode 1 and less cgi and Jar Jar. In Episode 2 we are given a Obiwan with a mullet, a baby Fett, a 80-year old Sithlord, and even more CGI aliens in the form of "Kaminoans" and "Genoasians". To top it off N-Fucking-Sync is givin a background part in the movie. Joe Hallenback is our last hope.
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I'll say it again...100 million billion things can go wrong when making a movie..is it possible that Lucas has actually doubled that number?
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Whutz Star Wars?
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...because N'synch are like sooooooooooooo hot. I called my friend Skye, and she said "Oh my god, have you seen Justin in his Jedi robe on the latest cover of Heartthrob?" And I said Ohhhh my god, is he like totally hot? I'm gonna get a copy and put in my locker. Oh my god, Skye, I was like going to invite Tifanni to come with us to see Star Wars but she's like dating my ex-boyfriend, that bitch! That is sooooo totally unkewl of her! Jeeps, I'm on my way to pick you up now, so we can go to the mall! Bye!
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It doesn't matter that they are throwaway extras or not, N'Sync is in the new Star Wars!!! Don't you f*cking get it? It's the PRINCIPLE of it! I guess I took Star Wars a bit more seriously growing up than most. The Star Wars Trilogy is holy among us geeks, why is George treating his once great series so unseriously now that he can just give throwaway pop bands whose CDs will be in the used bins by the thousands in a couple of years ala New Kids On The Block et al places in the Star Wars films? Or give Samuel Jackson a purple lightsaber because Sam asked for it at the last minute? I thought the lightsaber colors were supposed to have some well thought out meaning to them? The series has already been severely tarnished by parts of ROTJ and all of Ep1 (no need to get into that, it's been beaten like a dead horse) and Ep2 isn't looking to be any better from what we know and seen so far. This N'Sync news is just another nail in the coffin and I'm tired of hearing people making excuses for Lucas decisions lately. Oh and I predicate that the best parts of Episode 2 will be all the one's with Christopher Lee, but if he's going to be battling Yoda at the end like I've read on here, then I bet a CGI Yoda doing flips/fighting/whatever will ruin that seen. Bah! Bring back the Yoda puppet! Yes, you can bet that Lucas will go back and add in the CGI to all of the films once they are all complete, in his intended retooled and reedited Star Wars Super Duper Special Edition. God I wish I never sold my original version of Star Wars Trilogy on laserdisc....
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According to Page Six George put the band in there as a favor to his daughter. As a parent it is perfect revenege for having to listen to them to have them obliterated in the movie.
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This has gotten out of control, time to start booting some people off. I know AICN painted itself into a corner on the whole ABC/ Bill Maher thing, but enough's enough. Acknowledge that ABC does have the right to control content and you guys do as well, then kick off posters who talk about raping GL's 14 year-old daughter. Or don't retract your views on the ABC thing, just start banning! These talkbacks are becoming shoutbacks.
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"Cause when we are apart my sabre's bluuuuue......but no matter what Obi-Wan says I'll be a Jeeeeeeeeeedi...with or without you..." hehehehehe
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FOR ME TO POOP ON! - DrCool, the only time we see you is when Unkie George is getting his ass reamed by fans.. and then here comes DrCool skipping into the forum, tra-la-la, an Amidala figurine jutting out of his bung, wearing a Jar-Jar t-shirt that says "how wude!" on the front. Dr Cool: "King Georgie has a reason for everything he does!.. King Georgie knows what he's doing with Jar Jar!.. King Georgie porks my li'l asshole like a honeydew and I'll defend him to the end cuz i wuv 'im!" Bro, get over it, SW is DEAD.. you're actually worshipping an escapee from the mental ward with an addiction to Krispy Kreme and crackpuffs. All I know is that you come off like a little Lucas-bitch everytime I see you, and it grates the nerves, really. Even funnier is that you assume you know who I am and what I look like by what I've written. Not every girl that comes here is a fatassed rpg-playing, Sailor Moon hound dog .. especially not me. It just makes you look like an even stupider fuck than you KNOW you are. So keep loving your Star Wars while King Georgie molests you over and over and over(hopefully you don't get pregnant before Episode 7) and let those with a brain jump off this Hindenburghian disaster.
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Harry, you wouldn't have needed ANY makeup to play a dwarf lord, and you know it.
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Assuming anyone reads this after weaving through all the, um, material posted above, I gotta say this is all smoke and no fire. Had the rumour that Gillian Anderson would be in Ep. II turned out to be true, the fans would have been ecstatic. The chances are good that no one will notice the cameos until the DVD comes out, (which should be around 2023). For that matter, I'm still not completely sure this isn't a red herring put out to ring our collective bells, (and if that is the case, hoo boy is it working!)
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According to theforce.net, the scene with *nsync might not even make it into the film, so all this worrying could be for nothing. The site also says that Lucas had little or nothing to do with the cameos, but it was Rick McCullum that brought the band in because they love Star Wars and wanted to be a part of it. Besides, even if the band does make it into the film, no one will even notice them unless you had a magnifying glass. And then all you would see is them being blown away by some battle droids. So, I really wouldn't worry about *nsync. Worry more about the things that Harry mentions. Those are far more important then simple background extras.
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Sleepy_Woman, there's no point justifying DrCool with a response. He is simply heartbroken about the wonderful success of FOTR and is attacking all around him in an effort to work off his adolescent rage. DRCool, you have no credibility! Does this sound familiar : "FOTR will flop and the next two installments will go straight to video". That's right Nostradamus, you were soooo accurate on that one. So it's not surprising that you should turn out to be a GL-worshipping SWDrone who will defend the *NSync cameo, and all it represents about SW/Lucas, to the death. Time to go dress up in your Jar Jar jimmyjams, don't let the door hit you on your way out.
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I hope I speak for most SW and LOTR fans when I say: Do us all a favor and sit still, do not touch anything, try not to breath. Your mom will be along any minute now to smack you upside the head, tale you home, and lock you in your bedroom for being a bad, little boy/girl/?. You're so damn sad. Silly, pouting, disgruntled, fans like you ruin the merits of TalkBack. You are an embarrassment to the Fantasy/Science Fiction community at large. Try to be considerate of others and act responsibly in the future. Freedom of speech is mandatory, but you're like the kid in class who keeps screaming at the top of his/her lungs because no one will listen, no one agree with him/her, and knows he/she can't have it his/her way. Pansy-wastes be damned.
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Better still. Looks like itsallharrysfaul's worthless tantrum-text has been deleted. I like your way better, Harry. Thanks.
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I think the vast majority of people seem to get 'The Big Deal' behind this. But for those A) who aren't SW fans and are curious or B) go the other end of the spectrum and are so fanaticly loyal to King Georgie that if he filmed a pile of steaming shit for three hours and called it EP III you'd pay to see it and buy the fucking action figure, here's The Big Deal.
It's the most God Awful lowest common denominator pandering that has been foisted on us in a long time. Imagine having the Bee Gees in Jaws as a group. NKOTB in T:2. Take a second and imagine this, seriously: you're watching Braveheart for the first time, lost in the gory battle scene in the middle, on the edge of your seat with tension. It's such an intense scene that you're not focusing just on the main action, but trying to take it all in. Then you spot, just in the background: the guys from Aerosmith. Dressed as Brits, or Scots or whatever, but unmistakeabely for a full three count in the background you see: Aerosmith. And just like that you're out of the scene, it's not intense any more, it's silly. I mean, it's Aerosmith, with swords. Not for any good, appreciable reason, but just simply in cameos to get more asses in those seats. Or cuz the director's tubby teen daughter thought they were cool.
And that sort of low-level, inane pandering is the big deal. It insults our inteligence. It makes us question our desire to even see this fucking movie. Because, in the end, if it was just this one, little thing, we could deal. But after little black smabo, excuse me, I meant Jar Jar, shit jokes, a child actor that made Macully Caulkin look like Kenneth Brannagh, and 'Midichlorians' it's troublsome, like Harry noted, to wonder what else the fat, flanneled fuck could screw up in his next film. We wonder whether he's really producing a 'Space Opera,' which we all want to see, or 'On the Line II' with Lighgtsabers. Which none of us wants to see.
And to second a previous posters notion, I'm sure my own $8.50 won't be missed but that's $17 less odllars this film's going to make.
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I don't think George Lucas has a lucid idea of how it develops, and even if he does, it seems that he's incapable a delivering a good story line with competent writing. It's all smoke and mirrors, and frankly, that's getting pretty tiresome. The trailers I've seen so far don't interest me--it's like so many other poor films--the highlights (heck, the whole story)play out in 3 minutes.
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Who am I more mad at: George Lucas for putting N'Suck in this film, N'Suck for even posing the question and fucking it up for the rest of us, or myself knowing I'll see this piece of shit opening weekend no matter what Lucas does?
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Quote from 1999 EpI review: "Mesa Luved Him!" Quote from today's story: "Has Jar Jar been pushed enough into the background to be rendered less annoying?" -- What turned your love to hatred?
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...but here we are.
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I think the very fact that Lucas considered putting the boy band in the movie shows his utter lack of commitment for the new trilogy to be a bonafied classic/ timeless piece of filmmaking. Seeing that this bands POPularity is dwindling along the lines of cassidy (imagine him in the original as a misc. extra?) and new kids, Lucas is fostering a trend in disposable, unmemorable hollywood filmmaking of the last 15-20 years. That Lucas is not afraid of replicating generic forgettable fair to make $$$ - what's the point? Throw an extra $500 million on the pile, George?
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Jan 03, 2002 9:38:50 PM CST
Harry's testicles have officially been absorbed into his bod
by jettison
Harry, have you forgotten why it is you love good movies?
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Hard Day's Night was better than Phantom Menace for the love of Mike! This must be George's appeal to his daughter. Sheesh, directors and actors should quit making movies once their primary audience becomes their kids.
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Star Wars fans have been reeling at rumors that the members of *NSYNC will make an appearance in Star Wars: Episode II - Attack Of The Clones, so LAUNCH sought to separate fact from fiction. A call to Lucasfilm spokesperson Lynne Hale confirmed the following: Yes, the members of the aging boy band were shot in the background of a scene in Episode II, but no, it wasn't at the behest of George Lucas's daughter, allegedly a big *NSYNC (news - web sites) fan. Hale laughed at the latter detail, a story that has been widely reported as fact.
Truth is, Lucas himself had little or nothing to do with the already controversial cameo, explained Hale. She says it was producer Rick McCallum who invited the *NSYNC gang to the set after they explained what big Star Wars fans they are. Their contribution to the Star Wars universe--and the resulting uproar over it--might all be for naught, however, since Hale explained that the *NSYNC scene might be edited out the final version of the film. If Star Wars fan reaction is any indication, Lucas better get cutting.
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It doesn't matter that NSYNC will only have a brief cameo in this ever-festering movie franchise.This bit of news is the final straw in the burying of this franchise in my eyes. I've put up with a lot of shite as a devoted fan of the ORIGINAL( not shitty Re-releases) of ANH and ESB, and at one time I thought that maybe these prequels would make me love this franchise again. But this new piece of tripe is the last time I'll ever give a damn about the franchise. Its as bad as making Greedo shoot first or making Luke scream as he fell out of Cloud City. Its the inclusion of Ewoks over enslaved Wookies, its Jar Jar Binks and "MEESA AN ASSHOLA", its an overuse of CGI and a slew of crappy looking aliens. Its the missuse of talented actors from Terrance Stamp to Alec Guiness to Samuel Jackson. Its a horrible and dissapointing Jedi Council. Its Jango Fett, Count Dooku, and the mulitiude of other crappy, child babbled names.Its the death of Darth Maul,the most visually interesting character since Boba Fett.All of these things this guy has done to ruin these movies and still I came back; mainly out of loyalty to a child's fascination to the first movies and a desire to see them that way again. But I can't and now I expect a little more. Placing a dated phenom like NSYNC in the movie is along the same lines as having Vanilla Ice in TMNT2,or the inclusion of any other 15 minute wonder into a movie. It serves no purpose other than to market a movie at the expense of its artistic credibilty. I know they have no speaking parts, no close-ups and will only be on screen for a second; but every time I see the scene they are in I'll realize that once again Lucas has curbed to some outside force no consistent of his vision.The scene will be as jarring as the above-mentioned ones and I don't want that. I've put up with enough crap.I personally think that anyone who thinks different is deluding themselves and is looking through the project with kids eyes. Star Wars is dead to me.
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DRCOOL976 makes an ass out of himself everytime he mentions them, for his shit just slides right off 'em. LOTR just keeps on raking in the dough, and Sleepy Woman can sure in the hell handle herself with that guy.
And speaking of Sleepy, I sure in the hell hope you're a woman, because your coy, independent Talk Back persona is so maddeningly attractive (not so much in this Talk Back, but in others). I hesitate saying that, given the awfully embarrassing stories I've heard about dumb ass guys watching The Crying Game with their buddies and discovering that the chick had a...well, you know.
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Oh, and to all you who were posting after Harry's "Twas the night...Fellowship..." story a week or so ago, I hope you all realized that my anti-LOTR rants were fake. I thought I was being adequately over the top and inconsistent enough to make that obvious, but I realize you can't assume much about intelligence on this site. -
Stop saying LUCAS THIS AND LUCAS THAT.... Lucas had nothing to do with this, it was Rick McCallum and the Effects team who put them in. Lucas doesn't oversee things like people in the background getting blown up, that's what McCallum's job is. The latest word is that Lucas is cutting it cause of fan response. I'm sure even then you'll find something else to bitch about. Does the nitpick bitching ever stop from you people?
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Stop saying LUCAS THIS AND LUCAS THAT.... Lucas had nothing to do with this, it was Rick McCallum and the Effects team who put them in. Lucas doesn't oversee things like people in the background getting blown up, that's what McCallum's job is. The latest word is that Lucas is cutting it cause of fan response. I'm sure even then you'll find something else to bitch about. Does the nitpick bitching ever stop from you people?
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given that you are the *biggest* starfucker/name dropper around, i can't believe you can refer to the art of starfucking as a bad thing.
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I don't necesarily want N'Sync to be shown in Episode 2, but look at it this way. One of the greatest war movies of all time, The Longest Day, has four of the biggest teen idols of the day, Sal Mineo, Tommy Sands, Paul Anka, and Fabian in the movie, thanks to Daryl Zanuck, in an effort to get younger people to see the film. As long as the film's story is not compromised at all, Lucas can do whatever he wants.
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I wish Harry would take his site down for a month. What would you do? It's all so tired. Let's insult Harry. Let's insult each other. If everyone here had to post pictures, I bet the physical assaults on Harry would be nearly non-existent. Take a good long look in the mirror folks. A good majority of you cannot spell. Most of you would not pass a remedial English class. Few of you possess any ability to analyze or to present THOUGHTS. It is sad. It's quite a miracle whenever anyone posts anything resembling a meaningful, subjective critique of a film. Most of you are cyber bullies. How many of you have had a legitimate written exchange with Harry? How many of you know why "The Two Towers" is taking a full year to be released? I do. How many of you have actually discussed a film with Harry? How many of you have passion about anything but insults? Imagine someone insulting you in PERSON. How many of you could handle even one one thousandth of the cyber insults leveled at Harry? How do you feel when you read this? Does it FEEL mean? Good. That's what it probably feels like for Harry. Get a life folks.
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Jan 03, 2002 10:03:39 PM CST
Oh, yeah... and if I had flown over to NZ in time to rap with my
by nazismasher
SHIIIIIT!!! I could have been the stunt double for the prop that Pippin shoved into the well of Moria. PUUUUULLLLEEEEEZZZZZ!!! Could the conceit get any thicker? Surprising as it may seem not every filmaker is in the "biz" to hand out cameos to their media lackeys and entourage of clebrity toadies that somehow wind their way to the set. CHRIST!!!
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regarding this particular issue.
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Well gosh, I hate having my picture taken, and the last thing I would want is to be an actor or a celebrity. But if I was asked to play a jedi, I'd probably say yes, even knowing that I would in fact destroy the entire movie. I do find this worrisome. There's something about Lucas' way of thinking that's so completely incomprehensible. I am hoping and expecting 'AotC' will be a much better movie than 'TPM', but how could Lucas ever have thought that it was a good idea to put N'Sync in this movie? Even if it was for a fraction of a second, even if the scene's already on the cutting room floor, how did he ever come up with that in the first place? What else is popping around in that old brain of his? You watch 'The Phantom Menace', and it's pretty clear the man still has a lot of skill and imagination. He has a lot of ideas, some execrable and some extremely cool, and unlike Peter Jackson, he does not have a widely illustrated classic novel as inspiration. No fanboy in denial, I will certainly concede that 'FotR' is an overall much better film than 'The Phantom Menace' (as is Columbus' 'Harry Potter') and it is likely a better film than 'Clones' will be. I also have no doubt that many other filmmakers, including Lucas or Spielberg, both of whom understand action and technology, could have done 'LotR' as well or better than Jackson. A superior genre film, 'LotR' is hardly the groundbreaking landmark that 'Star Wars' was, and I can't bring myself to expect too much from Jackson's post - 'Rings' career.
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Doesn't that photo of Yoda look like a toy?
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Dorante, do you know what the 'director' of a film does? Obviously not. It is HIS JOB, NOT the producers', to know what is in his film. So don't blame McCallum. GL is in control of his movies and always has been. That's why he has surrounded himself with simpering yes-men. As for 'removing the cameo due to fan response', I'll believe it when I see it. My expectations regarding EpII are so low it wouldn't surprise me if GL turned it into a boyband video clip. I have pleaded to have Jar Jar disemboweled in a twenty-minute bloodspattered opening to the film. Last time I checked it wasn't in the latest treatment. So he's certainly NOT listening to THIS fan's response.
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Well gosh, I hate having my picture taken, and the last thing I would want is to be an actor or a celebrity. But if I was asked to play a jedi, I'd probably say yes, even knowing that I would in fact destroy the entire movie. But I do find this worrisome. There's something about Lucas' way of thinking that's so completely incomprehensible. I am hoping and expecting 'AotC' will be a much better movie than 'TPM', but how could Lucas ever have thought that it was a good idea to put N'Sync in this movie? Even if it was for a fraction of a second, even if the scene's already on the cutting room floor, how did he ever come up with that in the first place? What else is popping around in that old Fraggle Rock shaped head of his? You watch 'The Phantom Menace', and it's pretty clear the man still has a lot of skill and imagination. He has a lot of ideas, some extremely cool and some completely incomprehensible, and unlike Peter Jackson, he does not have a widely illustrated classic novel to guide him. No fanboy in denial, I will certainly concede that 'FotR' is an overall much better film than 'The Phantom Menace' (as is Columbus' 'Harry Potter') and it is likely a better film than 'Clones' will be. I also have no doubt that many other filmmakers, including Lucas or Spielberg, both of whom understand action and technology, could have done 'LotR' as well or better than Jackson. A superior genre film, 'LotR' is hardly the groundbreaking landmark that 'Star Wars' was, and I can't bring myself to expect too much from Jackson's post - 'Rings' career.
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N Sync be damned, the trailer I saw for AOTC before LOTR was the worst looking crap in memory. TPM had a cool trailer and look how much it blew. If they can't even make a decent trailer, what hope is there for the movie? Temeura Morrison is in this? What a shame, I love that guy, he was phenomenal in "Once Were Warriors," which is one of the best movies of the 90's in my book. Barbed Wire, Island of Dr. Moreau, now crappy AOTC..wasn't he in that crappy Harrison Ford/Anne Heche movie too? Somebody give this guy a break already. Putting N Sync in the movie is an abomination, even if only for a second, but if I don't like the movie, it will be because it appears to have a plot better suited to Melrose Place rather than Star Wars.
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They look like true badasses. With the release of these shots, the movie is looking better and better. Wait a minute...NSynch might be in it for half a second???? NEVERMIND.
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The defense mechanisms are kicking
in full-throttle in fanboy-land
aren't they?!? Two things:
1) The "It wasn't LUCAS that is
responsible," and 2) "It will just
end up on the cutting room floor"
arguments are PATHETIC. If this
isn't what is known as 'covering one's ass' I would be amazed.
It is called SPIN CONTROL. The
only place that is arguably more
political than Washington DC is
HOLLYWOOD. They are trying to avoid the backlash by putting out
those two stories so that the GEEKS (myself included) will go
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I'm as cute as my handle would
lead you to believe! So there!
Post my pic any time you want!
(Everyone should also read Carmilla by J. Sheridan LeFanu
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Wow!!!!! enough said.
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as vaild as they seem, I just can't help but feel as if this is only just a completely shameless attempt at selling tickets. As smart as Lucas has been when it comes to marketing the film, his wisdom seems corrupt. $$$ leads to the Darkside my friends. And I know for one, that when my skinny white ass is sitting there in the theater when Ep. 2 is showing, the minute, THE MINUTE, some group of desperate teeny bopper girls begin to scream and yell as N* Sync appears, I will YELL as well. But not at the screen, yet at the girls. Something along the lines of,
"SHUT THE HELL UP!!! GO GET YOURSELFS LAID OR SOMETHING, GAY OR NOT NONE OF THOSE GUYS WILL EVER (emphasis on "EVER") SLEEP WITH YOU, SO SHUT UP!!!!"
Whew, I am just hoping that the rumors of a love theme, sung by an actual person, like in Titanic, are just that, rumors. Please do not ruin the magic of the series Mr. Lucas. Watching the previews for Ep. 2 make me so eager for the film's release, don't let us down again. -
would it be cool with all of y'all if George had dressed, say, the Chili Peppers (or Tool, or Weezer, etc.) up as Jedi and had them killed? That'd be all right, right? It's just the fact that it's Justin up on screen, and not a "cool" band, that pisses you off, not the fact that George is putting goofy shit in the background of his movie (coughE.T. senatorscough)? Right?
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Let see, comparisons to N*Sync that would be much more "apt." The Bay City Rollers, The Monkees, Leif Garret, etc... Hell I'll even give you the Beach Boys (with the notable exception of Pet Sounds a few other brilliant songs)... But the Beatles... Harry, you should know better.
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Like some poster said before: "It's the PRINCIPLE of it(the idea)." Sure, each of those fabricated tootie-frooty jailbait swapping jacknuts has it MADE in their lives. They got the $$$, they got the girls, and now they got easy parts in one of the most famous fantasies in MOVIE HISTORY. No doubt about it, they helped build this controversy by begging Georgie to put them in the movie to promote themselves even more. These fakes sing and monkey-dance to music and lyrics made by somebody else and they don't answer to anybody except their 55 year old mommies. _----__-- What I am trying to say is that N'Stynk DOES NOT deserve to be included in one of the holier-than-thou fantasy epics of all time. What purpose to they serve to be in the movie? To serve the Queen and then die a worthless Jedi death played by dorks who we can't see as honorable JEDI? You may know this already. Lucas' daughter pleaded with her rich poppy to include them. And when it will be heard by the young girls oblivious to the world of Star Wars, it would surely expand his gold mine (and N'Stynk's) even slightly more. I hope that this would backfire on him because once the young jailbait gets bored by this one second spot in the movie, their attantion spans will make it easy for them to forget Star Wars and find the next piece of 30 year old boy band ass in the next piece of shite movie portraying wanna be actor boyband jacknuts. ---___---___
Anyway, I will go see AOTC when it comes out and when I see N'Stynk die (and hopefully go AWAY and stop poisoning young girls' minds with idiotic love poems and monkey-dances) I will laugh for a split second, move on, and think I AM THE BETTER MAN. __--__ -
I think this bullshit SW/LOTR debacle will continue until both Jackson and Lucas are in their graves, along with everyone else here.
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What pirate did Close play? Shoot, I can't remember anything about that film except that it was completely stupid to have Peter Pan grow up. That and Neverland was always a matte painting with a couple of extravegent but really fake Disney World theme park ride looking sets. And gee, that's all the film was good at being too. ***** Anyway, Harry, I agree with you pretty much all the way about what's going on with SW right now. I don't care at all about N'Sync though. I really couldn't care less if they're in it. It doesn't matter! The film's been made, the most they can do is cameo and who cares about that? You're being childish if you're going to let THAT ruin the movie for you. But then I was willing to accept Dicaprio as Anakin, so I'm not in the majority of AICN SW fans--most of whom I get the feeling are in their teens, but whatever. Honestly, I'm hoping for the best while expecting the worst. Lucas hasn't said anything that suggests he learned a darn thing from fan reaction to TPM. And even IF the actors are capable, it doesn't mean he'll have written a GOOD love story either! Romance isn't easy, very little can make it precious, sentimental and down right artificial. After decent glimpses of love in Star Wars, Raiders, and American Graffiti, I don't know if Lucas is capable of an epic romance, which this thing is endeavoring to be. "I'd be much too frightened to tease a Senator." Huh? Do senators castrate teasers? But I'm nitpicking. The point is the scenes in the trailer didn't encourage me that the love story is going to work, thus the film may just be a glitzy tangle of eye candy. That'll be sad since the first two films at least were more than just eye candy. And just to spout some more of my own steam, both Anakin and Padme will always be too young for me in these prequels. I always pictured them much older during their courtship. I don't crap my pants over Russel Crowe, but he's more how I pictured Anakin in the prequels. A man, not a boy. Going straight from boy to Vader isn't right in my mind. But hey, it's not my movie, is it? Hell, I bet Crowe could even have made the "tease a senator" line sound witty and charming!
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I just thought I'd add my agreement to what Harry had to say about AOTC. So what if N'Sync have a cameo in the film??? If a cameo is all we'll be seeing, then why is it such a big issue? There are many more important issues that have *far* more weight in how AOTC ultimately turns out, and if this is all that's "wrong" with the film, then I'll be happy. God knows there are infinitely worse things that can happen to the film than having a 3-second appearance by a boy band that will likely go the way of New Kids on the Block within a year's time. ****** All this brought to you courtesy of your local LOTR nut, The Hierophant. (See, you can like more than one film at a time.)
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Jan 03, 2002 11:04:41 PM CST
so so perfect that all the Girls-Parts are upset at some other G
by son of stik
LOL!!! - Lucas has gone even FURTHER in my estimations for making you pussies blub and squeel like the FAIRWEATHER STAR WARS GIRL-PARTS YOU ARE - LOL!!! Hell, it's worth devoting a blurry nanosecond to some faggity boyband if it means a bunch of fans who THINK THEY OWN STAR WARS get their self important know it all bell-ends smacked - GO LUCAS! - show these pussies who the real gov'ner of Star Wars IS AND ALWAYS WAS. And for those LOTR special-needs-cases that are using this like some kind of ammo for their sucky little Krull flick, lets not forget that Peter Jerkson actually devoted WHOLE FRIKIN SCENES to HIS faggity fairy folk and you lot couldn't wait to shoot your yoghurt off.
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Jan 03, 2002 11:05:43 PM CST
All I can say is:SPIDER-MAN MAY 3RD,2002!! F**K STAR WARS!!
by spiderblood1969
What do you wanna bet that Yoda fighting WILL look at best funny and at worst embarassing.Have a nice day :) THWIP!!
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Jan 03, 2002 11:10:28 PM CST
Well smack my ass and call me Dooku, there ARE intelligent lifef
by sleepy_woman
It was only a matter of time before somebody had to put DRCOOL in his place.. I've been hearing him blather and annoy for months now and boy, it sure feels good to lay into these silly pricks (very cathartic, but not enough to erase the horror of EP1 memories.. ten hours in line!!! I invited 8 people to see it with me.. oh GAWD!!). In five years when it's revealed Nsync actually had a much larger role than Lucas PR said they did (WHAT? You mean Lucas's PR people were lying?? HOLY SHIT, you'd think they would just 'fess up about these things..!!!) we'll all have ourselves a good laugh and put out our cigars in the eyes of rabid Episode 1-3 fans like DRCOOL and IndianaJones.. ha ha HA.. and YES I'm a woman (25y/o sexy college senior iso caring, sensitive geek to plot against evil - call me! Dial Box#1112 now!) but no, I don't play Dungeons & Dragons or fondle myself while watching imported Anime DVD's... I smack my fun-daisy while pimp-slapping morons on the AICN TB!!.. I've said too much. Thanks though, TrevorSuzz and *Bamf* for appreciating an independent woman in a dehydrating sea of Star Wars jackasses --- Sleepy Woman
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Why suuure they would have put you in "Lord of the Rings". If they had a character that looked like Rocky Dennis from "Mask" that has been floating dead in the river for a week- then you would have been cast.
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I certainly agree that n'sync has absolutely nothing to do in epII...McCallum or Lucas fault - I don't care. Either way I feel disappointment and sadness.. But I'm sure as hell not going to yell out any of the things that has been written here that attacks the very person of George Lucas, which is just a sign of pure stupidity and lack of respect towards the man.
Ever since the idea was spoken from Lucasfilm (92-93 or whenever it was) about the making of a second trilogy, I promised myself to think of the original trilogy as an isolated one - isolated from the new. I KNEW the magic could never be repeated again because of a number of different factors, for instance - too much CGI which result in a feeling of "artificiality" or whatever you want to call it..anyway... if you guys (the hysterical ones) are going to critize george lucas or the chief in here or whoever - try at least to do it in a constructive way - spill out the damn argument instead of just shouting like some "teenage-bubble-gum-bitches".. because this thread is starting to loose it's intellect..
well that's just my opinion.. oh btw. I apologize for my poor grammar..I'm one of those european fellas =) Now I gotta get some of that damn sleep.. -
I certainly agree that n'sync has absolutely nothing to do in epII...McCallum or Lucas fault - I don't care. Either way I feel disappointment and sadness.. But I'm sure as hell not going to yell out any of the things that has been written here that attacks the very person of George Lucas, which is just a sign of pure stupidity and lack of respect towards the man.
Ever since the idea was spoken from Lucasfilm (92-93 or whenever it was) about the making of a second trilogy, I promised myself to think of the original trilogy as an isolated one - isolated from the new. I KNEW the magic could never be repeated again because of a number of different factors, for instance - too much CGI which result in a feeling of "artificiality" or whatever you want to call it..anyway... if you guys (the hysterical ones) are going to critize george lucas or the chief in here or whoever - try at least to do it in a constructive way - spill out the damn argument instead of just shouting like some "teenage-bubble-gum-bitches".. because this thread is starting to loose it's intellect..
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Jan 03, 2002 11:34:25 PM CST
I also have no doubt that many other filmmakers, including Lucas
by horus
Yeah right!Dr Floyd .Your post was making reasonable sense up until then!Lucas would have fucked LOTR up, bigtime!
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Come on, Harry. You've got to be kidding yourself. I GUARANTEE that if the N'Synch footage remains in the film at all, they WILL be recognizable (at least to anyone who would recognize them--which I wouldn't). There will be at least one 'money shot' of the 4 or 5 of them (I don't even know) suitable for poster making. It's possible that these guys won't be in at at all, but if they are, it'll be a full-fledged cameo. We'll see them. At least one of them may have a line. Anyway, I'm surprised to find that I'm really not that upset about this. I guess I really have given up on this franchise. I'm sure I'll probably see the next two movies eventually--probably when they are available on Netflix so I can see them for free (sort of).
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How can Harry yesterday say he hoped this was junk and "Let us all gather in a communal circle, join hands and pray that it isn't so this wouldnt come true and " now today hes saying its no big deal and he cant begrudge them getting cameos like he has in the past. Show some big hairy balls man! Quit wavering all over the place. If it sucked yesterday but doesnt matter so much today, thats fine. Say youve changed your mind. If JarJar was a funny mother for some reason the first time you saw him, but now hes just pathetic. Thats fine, too. You never freakin do that, though! Its like each day erases the past in your world. 'Hey, I was in The Faculty and its a fun movie. Go see it!'-- 'This boyband is in Star Wars, ugh. Lets hope and pray they arent.'-- ' Hey, I couldve been in Fellowship. A great dream for every fan. Lets not begrudge the boyband.'-- Eh? What in the wide world of fuck is that?
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Lucas' son is a big fan, so you know what that means. At least he is out of his "Barney : the Big Purple Dinosaur" stage, or it could have been worse. God this is sad. Someone kill me.
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Fuck N*SYNC.What I want to know
is,where did those pictures come
from?And when will we get to see
decent clear shots.That Portman
would be on my wallpaper if it
were not so grainy.These shots are
cool as shit.Too cool.They must
have been stolen or something.
Yoda with his lightsabre! Lucas
must be shitting himself over
this one.(if he ever shits himself)Anyway,the pics are the
BIG news if you ask me.
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Jan 04, 2002 12:00:34 AM CST
Sorry to sound shallow, but hey Sleepy_ Woman, if you are sexy a
by z0d
I am on a tear today....It's too bad AICN can't provide all us geeks who love entertainment a dating service with profiles and pictures that will allow all of us to see know and see each other. It's too bad there aren't many geeky, sexy, and athletic girls around my area to share imaginative thoughts, knowledge, experiences, and life with. ___---Sorry to be off topic but everybody has a right to say what they want without being improperly subjected and judged with insults and harsh words. ___---Kneel before Z0D---____
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Call me Blaccie
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Look, Harry's just trying to salvage whatever he can from this monstrosity. We understand. He has high hopes. Maybe some of you do, too.
BUT THE TRUTH IS:
that BUTTBACKENDER.com is the ONLY HONEST STAR WARS SITE LEFT ON EARTH!!!!!
http://www.geocities.com/buttbackender/ButtBackender.html
IT'S TIME TO STOPE MAKING EXCUSES!!!
We should just realize that the butt-boys are IN THIS TO STAY. THEY WILL BE RECOGNIZABLE. GEORGE WANTS the teenyboppers' dough!!! END OF STORY!!! -
Look, Harry's just trying to salvage whatever he can from this monstrosity. We understand. He has high hopes. Maybe some of you do, too.
BUT THE TRUTH IS:
that BUTTBACKENDER.com is the ONLY HONEST STAR WARS SITE LEFT ON EARTH!!!!!
http://www.geocities.com/buttbackender/ButtBackender.html
IT'S TIME TO STOPE MAKING EXCUSES!!!
We should just realize that the butt-boys are IN THIS TO STAY. THEY WILL BE RECOGNIZABLE. GEORGE WANTS the teenyboppers' dough!!! END OF STORY!!! -
Look, Harry's just trying to salvage whatever he can from this monstrosity. We understand. He has high hopes. Maybe some of you do, too.
BUT THE TRUTH IS:
that BUTTBACKENDER.com is the ONLY HONEST STAR WARS SITE LEFT ON EARTH!!!!!
http://www.geocities.com/buttbackender/ButtBackender.html -
Jan 04, 2002 12:14:47 AM CST
A moment of unabashed male-ness (or, an attempt to lighten thing
by god of forkery
Man, do I want to stick it in Natalie Portman's ass. Damn. Natalie darlin', if you're reading this . . .I promise you that I will treat you right, and I won't go cramming it in there all at once like a Milwaukee's-Best-swilling, Limp-Bizkit-listening frat-boy . . .I'll work you up to it, inch by inch. And then when all two inches are in there, you will know who has the force. THERE. NOW EVERYONE . . .HAVE A GOOD LAUGH, and SETTLE DOWN!
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THEY LOOK AWFUL!!!!!!!! YUCK!!!!!!!!!
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Jan 04, 2002 12:16:42 AM CST
A moment of unabashed male-ness (or, an attempt to lighten thing
by god of forkery
Man, do I want to stick it in Natalie Portman's ass. Damn. Natalie darlin', if you're reading this . . .I promise you that I will treat you right, and I won't go cramming it in there all at once like a Milwaukee's-Best-swilling, Limp-Bizkit-listening frat-boy . . .I'll work you up to it, inch by inch. And then when all two inches are in there, you will know who has the force. THERE. NOW EVERYONE . . .HAVE A GOOD LAUGH, and SETTLE DOWN!
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Jan 04, 2002 12:20:55 AM CST
who cares about NSYNC!? AMIDALA has a great little CULO on her.
by 81666
yum yum yummity yum!
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That's one thing in your analogy that you must keep in mind, Harry--- the Beatles were cool. Still are, in fact. And they were talented beyond all belief.
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If you'd like, there's a little-known AICN Talkback community program funded by Harry if you're interested.. you can take classes like: "Personal Putdowns: Why You Suck", "Bashing With Flair!", "Finding and Exploiting Painful Weaknesses", "Yo Mama, Sucka", "Why LOTR SuCkz!", "Why Star Wars SUkks!", "Star Wars Jihad and How to Use + ", "How to Start a Flame War And Leave Immediately", "Why Missppellings and CAPS-LOCK DON'T HELP YOUR ARGUMENT, FUCKFACE!" and many many more.. I majored in "Hurtful Comments with Sass" with a minor in "Logic And You: How To Make People Cry" --- If you want, I can show you around campus sometime...?.. or.. something....
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Jan 04, 2002 12:39:00 AM CST
The only reason that there is a 'rivalry' between LOTR a
by carmillavondoom
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rivalry between the two. Really,
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that Lucas had this released early to gauge public reaction. There is still plenty of time to cut. It wouldn't bother me either way. Also, I believe almost every cock-up in the new movies is Rick McCallum's kiss ass fault. The guy makes me wretch when I hear him talk. Instead of being a sounding board for George, he just throws praise immediately and wets himself with delight instead of giving some input. Even in the making of video on the TPM DVD, when George was concerned with the first cut of the movie, McCallum starts gushing about how it's sooooo good. How about telling him where it needed help from your point of view. Oh, and if I hear him utter the words "digital arena" one more time I'll puke. Yuch. He has no artistic integrity. Just the bottom line. He's a snake-oil salesman of the worst kind. And this can effect movies. I can't even listen to the audio commentary on the TPM because he turns my stomach. He's a buffoon. I've worked with his ilk. How about they replace McCallum as producer with Nsync???
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LOL... Ok, what did your KING just DECREE earlier today? That ILAME and Lucas would try to appease the fanboys with something cool like a behind the scenes Jedi video on the Star Wars site. LOL...lol...and then what do we have all of a sudden? Well, ok not a video (yet) but NEW PICS OF JEDI! LOL!!! Come on bitches, is it really now this EASY to SCHOOL? SCHOOL! IN SESSION! Remember everyone WE DONT HAVE TO TAKE THIS we now have GENERAL JACKSON to lead us on our march to LEAVE these bitches and Twatty Nelsons on the Pokemon boards where they belong. Let this be THE LAST STRAW. We do not have to worry, Color Me Badd will NOT be Ents in TTT. Yes, TTT which opens in less than a year. STAR WARS IS DEAD, DONT BUY OR SELL, ITS CRAP! LOTR! LOTR! And you have been SCHOOLED by the KING of Talkback! Whip-Tash (The Balrog's Bullwhip to signal my departure)
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LOL...remember, lol...just DO NOT see this FILM...EVER. Let's let these bitches know, THIS IS THE LAST STRAW. G'nite, Star Wars, G'nite, Lucas, G'nite, ILAME, thanks for playing, but you just got brow beat like a nickel bitch by GENERAL JACKSON. SCHOOLED! BITCH! Whip-Tash! (The Balrog's Bullwhip, cracking on the ass of some Twatty Nelson in a Lil' Boba Fett t-shirt in honor of my departure)
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so why does George need 'NSICK to be in this?
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I understand your point Harry but you are NOT N'Sync. In my opinion you have significantly more credibility than that. If you were in LOTR as a Dwarf lord that would rock. If Fred Durst were in it, it would be gimmicky. Levels my friend, levels.
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OK. Here's the thing that bugs me about it. One of the reasons LotR was great was that Peter Jackson cared about the details. He cared about the way his extras looked. He paid attention to the costuming. All the details are well-done. This N'Sync thing says that Lucas cares more about... whatever led him to say "OK"... than he cares about getting the details right. You can't tell me that N'Sync is the best choice for Jedi extras, and the fact that Lucas is willing to compromise is the thing that is bringing down the quality of Star Wars.
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Had to slip in lord of the rings eh. I'm really happy you love this film and got to clap a scene. Here's an idea. Put aside all the rantings of lotr into it's own little threat. Call it "the be all end all rant of Harry love of LOTR" Then please can this place come back to normal.
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Jan 04, 2002 1:35:03 AM CST
THIS JUST IN!!! LANCE FROM NSYNC TO PLAY CORKY IN THE MOVIE VERS
by billy_zardus
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Don't you have to usually watch a movie to say that it sucks?
I think were all lucky that we even get to see a new Starwars movie, a new Lord of the Rings, and Spiderman in the same year. I have faith that Lucas will not make Episode 90210 out of this film. I think Baby Fett will be cool! Its a good way to flesh out a character that has a mysterious past. Jar-Jar sucked but every person who bashes the film remembers him. Yoda CG or puppet will still be entertaining. So what if love has a big part in this movie? It fuels most of the important events in life! If you dont know that then your probably not getting loved enough or your too young to be using mommy and daddy's computer. Everyone right now get up go out side and breath the fresh air, hell maybe even go for a walk and remember "Movies are supposed to be fun." After you realize how insignificant this is in the grand scheme of things all I can say is in the imortal words of Snake Plisken " Welcome to the Human Race!"
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Jan 04, 2002 1:39:55 AM CST
Episode II looks like an ad for a Star Wars video game.
by the_tao_of_eric
Obviously I've come to the right place for ridiculously lame arguements and I'm surprised I haven't heard a spritited 'who could beat who up', Chewbacca or Spock? That's easy, Spock. But that's beside the point, I like many people here love the original trilogy. I couldn't even tell you how many times I've seen it. I love Empire because of the many different themes and Luke's visit to the 'underworld' on Cloud City. I like A New Hope very much and I still get a tingling on the back of my neck when I hear Obi-Wan tell Luke to "Use the Force" when he's travelling down the trench. Jedi is okay in my opinion, just not my favorite. I SO wanted to love Episode I, but it was quite a let-down and when I saw the trailer for Episode II I almost laughed when I heard Anakin. To me, it just doesn't 'look' like Star Wars looked in the past. The camera doesn't have the same emotion. It's very devoid of emotion. After seeing the trailer I thought it had such a video game after-taste to it that it dashed any hopes I had that Lucas was just suffering from lack of directing over the years. All I can say is, PLEASE don't do Indy 4 and have Harrison Ford fight an evil Nazi zombie with a double-bladed sword while teetering on the edge of a lava-pit. Some things are better left alone. Of course I'd go see it, I mean, it's a Nazi zombie. I think I speak for a lot of people that watching the new Star Wars movies is a lot like watching bad porn. No matter how bad it is, it's still people having sex, and who doesn't want to watch that?
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I swear, every pathetic lament I hear from you so called "fans" makes my prostate pucker. I can't begin to tell you how predictable you morons are becoming. Trust me, I hate Nsync as much as the next guy because of all the same reasons (lack of any artistic identity, soulless and candy-corn music) but I'm not stupid nor self-righteous enough to say that I won't watch the next movie because they will make a quarter-of-a-second appearance in it.
You retards act like George Lucas OWES you the movie you've probably created in your head since you were 15. Get a life. And stop saying you won't watch it, cause you KNOW YOU WILL!! End of discussion. You will be there, like every other raving lunatic bemoaning the "downfall" of their beloved Star Wars franchise. Come May 20th (or even earlier), you know you will be camping in line to watch. No doubt. Hey, I'll be in line too, because I can ADMIT that these trifle issues are just that: trifle. Get real and stop pretending that you deserve better from Lucas. Geez -
Don't you have to usually watch a movie to say that it sucks?
I think were all lucky that we even get to see a new Starwars movie, a new Lord of the Rings, and Spiderman in the same year. I have faith that Lucas will not make Episode 90210 out of this film. I think Baby Fett will be cool! Its a good way to flesh out a character that has a mysterious past. Jar-Jar sucked but every person who bashes the film remembers him. Yoda CG or puppet will still be entertaining. So what if love has a big part in this movie? It fuels most of the important events in life! If you dont know that then your probably not getting loved enough or your too young to be using mommy and daddy's computer. Everyone right now get up go out side and breath the fresh air, hell maybe even go for a walk and remember "Movies are supposed to be fun." After you realize how insignificant this is in the grand scheme of things all I can say is in the imortal words of Snake Plisken " Welcome to the Human Race!"
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Sleepy_woman sure does have a lot to say about it.
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Jan 04, 2002 2:02:20 AM CST
Lance has a Lemon Twist Diet Coke and cheets on the GAP executiv
by forward_deploy
Sheesh. I mean, how more pop culture can one glean out of a sinlge picture than with Lance standing in front of two girls decked out in GAP attire. Makes me wonder if the Jedi's wardrobes are'nt actually the Banana Republic Fall season overlays.
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Jan 04, 2002 2:03:30 AM CST
Lance has a Lemon Twist Diet Coke and cheets on the GAP executiv
by forward_deploy
Sheesh. I mean, how more pop culture can one glean out of a sinlge picture than with Lance standing in front of two girls decked out in GAP attire. Makes me wonder if the Jedi's wardrobes are'nt actually the Banana Republic Fall season overlays.
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Oh my god, I just heard that George Lucas has hired ACTORS to play Jedi Knights in his new movie instead of actual Jedi Knights! He has well and truly raped my childhood now! I even heard that some the actors playing the non-speaking Jedi Knights aren't even very good actors, are in fact actors who are barely scraping out an existence by playing human wallpaper in feature films! Blasphemy! Gimli could pull Jar-Jar's ears out through his asshole! Peter Jackson isn't just God, he's like the God that God worships, man. The day George Lucas thinks he can hire a bunch of stuck-up, millionaire Hollywood "actors" like Sam Jackson and Ewan McGregor to play JEDI FREAKIN' KNIGHTS is the day he doesn't get my $8.50 ($5.75 matinee)! I can't believe that Sam Jackson gets to be a well-respected actor AND the baddest motherfucker on the planet AND he gets to be in the holiest of holy movie trilogies! Unfair! Unfair I say! Lucas should be chemically castrated for raping my childhood!
p.s. I would so totally cream in my homemade Jedi robes if Lucas would let me be killed by an errant laser blast in Episode III. Plus I got this bitchin' treatment that is SO MUCH better than whatever he's writing. -
Jan 04, 2002 2:20:37 AM CST
I can tell you something about this film that will be REALLY sca
by theginger twit
Forget nsync. This film was made in Australia and it is filled to the brim with Australian actors. Now being in australia I find the same actors pop up everywhere. and now to find that the next STAR WARS movie will be full of all those neigbours and die hard never get into hollywood actors... it just makes ... errrgh. But you yanks wont know anything about that so for me - nsync? what do they look like? oh was that them?
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Harry's story about sibling abuse at the hands of the turtles aside,N'Sync have nothing to do with Star Wars, they do not belong in Star Wars. If anything, they'll date Star Wars more than Lucas realises, because they're a mere passing fad. Two years down the line, they'll be forgotten. To put the current situation in to some kind of perspective, think of it this way...Lucas is panicking right now. All this money spent on AOTC, and he alienated EVERYONE bar the under 10s in TPM. So, to lure the teenage crowd in, he brings in a boy band (shudder). Instantly, we get thousands of extra teenage girl asses on seats, and they'll drag their boyfriends with them. Double dollars, huh, George ? Then, us adults will gladly fork over our dough just to see the talentless, marketed bastards blasted to fucking oblivion as soon as they set foot on screen ! Actually, that makes pretty good business sense.
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i'm pissed about the fact that Lucas thought he'd throw these guys into movie for some box office buck, and so his kids could meet them. I'm sure everyone is familiar with the fact that Titanic is the highest grossing movie of all time. Well it's not the highest grossing movie because it's a good movie(which it is). It's all those swooning teenage girls coming back for repeat viewings of Leonardo Dicaprio. George is probably thinking a whole mass of the same swooning teenage girls will go see this movie just so they can see N'Sync, even if it is only for the briefest of moments. Hell the only reason I went to Scream 3 was to see Jay and Silent Bob(there would be no other reason to see Scream 3). So I guess i'm no better than a bunch of teenage girls. This whole making dreams come true for N'Sync and his kids is a front ladies and gentlemen. For crying out loud, he is George Lucas, if they really are Star War fans then he could easily drop them a line and set up a get together with them and his kids. Also, movies that are prequels to well loved(and in some ways respected)movies should not be handled like you just became president and you're setting all your friends up with ambassadorships and other perks. Suttle things like the E.T.'s and such are fine, but blatant stuff like this is just not right. If George wants some credibility back he needs to be a bit more serious about all of this. I hope i'm making sense to someone out there.
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Jan 04, 2002 2:31:03 AM CST
You know these N'SYNC "boys" must know they are a laughing s
by darth ranik
I just doesn't make sense to me. They know they will be hated and despised, why do it? Have they no shame? Arn't they all old enough and able to understand that they should just do thier time as no talent hacks picked out of a shopping mall to dance and lip sync to crappy music other people wrote and other people play, then walk away and count thier cash? Why must they go outside of the little world the marketing department created for them? What is Star Wars becoming? After ROTJ I could at least say two out of three movies were awsome. Before TPM came out, I could have sworn it would be virtually impossible to have a bad movie based on the trailers and all the marketing material that showed Darth Maul and Qui-Gon....only to find out Maul was in the film all of maybe nine minutes and Jar Jar was in nearly every sceene. Oh well, the new trailers look cool, just like TPM did, but my gut is telling me the only two Star Wars movies that will ever be worth a shit are ANH and TESB. Sad, truely sad.
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Why do I feel like GL took a big shit in our drinking water?
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Jan 04, 2002 2:48:02 AM CST
I love you Harry, but if I recognized you in LOTR, that would be
by ar42
"Now just imagine how much FELLOWSHIP OF THE RINGS would have sucked had the bloated fat sellout piece of shit had been one of those dwarf lords.... unrecognizable to anyone (unless the bastard told you) and on screen for a quarter second." A few quick points. 1) Cameos are fine if they're secret and nobody knows about them. The director sticks his daughter in a shot, or whatever, and nobody notices or cares. When they announce it on MTV, it's different. 2) Star Wars has always been about creating a whole other world, in a galaxy far, far away. This recent trend of Lucas to keep putting little "ha-ha" things in the background, like the E.T.'s or the 2001 space pod in TPM, breaks the illusion of a different world. Hopefully NSync won't be recognizable.
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That you KNOW I, or any of the rest of the good people who seem to have had it with Uncle Georgie's shite, will go see AOTC? Maybe I'll be replaying choice moments from The Center of the World with your mom while you stand in (a short) line dressed up as Jar Jar like the bitches you are.
There's something wierd about fanboys and thier unreasoning defense of films with large homoerotic subtext that gives me the wiggins. See: drcool and TPM, Padmes Love slave and RTOJ, and Vicconious with the wishful thinking. C'mon big boys you know you got them Nsync posters up on the wall of mom's basement and that George is really catering to the true SW fan base. The fan base that writes the erotic Luke/Han fan fiction. I won't even get started on the sick fucks that choke it to theor TPM pre-release poster.
Who graduated from Talkback U? I did! -
Oh man -- Can we forget about NSYNC for a minute and focus on what's really important? When the hell did our Miss Portman develop world class BOOTY like that? Jennifer Lopez just got knocked out of the number one spot for world's most squeezable bum. Yowza -- No wonder Amidala's queen!
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you know how when you love someone and they do something terrible to hurt and you can never see them in the same light anymore....the whole relationship has been poisoned....well...THAT IS WHAT LUCAS HAS DONE....even the original SW's have been raped due to this FUCKEN SHIT OF AN EXCUSE...EPI and EPII. I can't watch them anymore without thinking of the abomination that has now happened. When i saw FOTR people were laughing at the EPII trailor....WTF HAPPENED...
someone has to do something..this is serious people....BUT..................................................................................................our prayers have been answered....thanksfully the MOVIE GODS have smiled on us....in their beautiful love and mercy a gift has been granted us....a man to lead to us salvation.....a man that all others gods will adore....PETER JACKSON....
we bow before your greatness...
and now...direct from NZ...the movie trilogy to rule all others.....EAT YOUR FUCKEN HEART OUT LUCAS
*** Lord of the Rings ***
Its sad for him really, you almost feel sorry for him, but then this N'Sync shit pops ups and i hope he acidentally brutally stabs himself while shaving in the morning. -
Jan 04, 2002 3:18:43 AM CST
The Dude & Harry don't need to try & defend Lucas! EPISODE 2
by mooncake
the Dude is trying to give Lucas all these wishy washy excuses! so you guillable little freaks out there really think that Lucas is doing it for his kid & millions of teenage girls out there?? come on, give me a f*cking break!!! having the NSICK boys in there is for pure publicity & a great commercial calculation! Lucas is a corporate whore long time ago!
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Mark Hamill was never all that cool either, and neither are that kid who was in 'North' or that other one from 'Facts of Life'.
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this baby will bomb big time...
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3:50am and what better place to procrastinate than a ridiculously long star wars talk back? you know, i loved star wars as a kid, watched them over and over, they were a part of my childhood. in high school the rereleases came out, i got to see them on the big screen for the first time cognizant of the experience. that was cool. sure, it was fucking dumb looking when greedo shot first, but hey, there was the trilogy with a lot of new scenery. then episode one came out, i was excited as hell, a new star wars flick, fuckin' a. i was never the type to wait in lines and all of that shit, it seems a bit extreme, but i saw it when it came out and found myself watching wide-eyed. not long after it started those bits of annoying shit began hitting the screen and i kept trying to look past it. came out saying, "that was...good. i think." then i saw it again, and realized what i liked and what i didn't, and overall felt it ok. some of it was great, some of it was mediocre, and some of it was annoying as fuck. i probably caught it on video and haven't seen it since. now, here comes episode two, and i'm looking forward to it. the crazy hype shit of episode two (being the first star wars movie in years) is long gone, and i look forward to seeing how it turns out. the trailers looked pretty cool. i don't know, as a fan of film in general, i've changed - i barely see movies at all anymore. most of my time and energy is focused into reading and writing. there are a lot of movies i want to see and never get around to it, this and spider-man i'll probably make an added effort to catch because they really kind of demand a big screen viewing (anything else a dvd is fine, i'm not that picky these days). but, truth be told, i just don't care about star wars ENOUGH to care about whether or not some fucking boy band was in it for a half second and cut or is still in it for half a second or whatever. i don't care about lucas's motivations for their presence, i don't care how much money it makes or if its worse than FOTR or anything. i only care if its a good, entertaining movie that gives me those kind of moments that every star wars movie has in the past (to different degrees of consistency). but i will say this talk backs been an amusing read. and sleepy woman gets honorable mention for the talk back school class listings, that summed it up quite humorously. and also the talkbacker who recounted the grim tale of the plastic cast execution by BB gun, that was great. and regardless of the attitudes and stances on everything around here, its always a kick to see people get so wrapped up and bent out of shape over these things. who cares if someone thinks lucas is a blowjob for putting a group of burnt out teen idols with misshapen heads in the background, if it doesn't bother you, hey, good for you, and if it bothers you, hey, it sucks that you're bothered. either way, live your life. but don't stop bashing the fuck out of each other, because talkbacks wouldn't be the same. i mean, come on, i'm sure there are plenty of places to have reasonable in depth discussions on star wars on the internet, we come here because these boards have personality (and personality goes a long way). and there are occasional intellectual conversations and rational debates, its just that star wars talkbacks aren't the place to go.
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i ramble too much.
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I can't believe I am saying this, but I am starting to believe, against all my hopes, that this movie is going to be as disappointing as the Phantom Menace. The more I think about the plot of this movie, about the dialogue that has been revealed, and about the acting exhibited by Hayden and Natalie in the trailers, the more I am convinced that the prequel series is going to be an exhibition for startling special effects...and little else. It just seems to me that the relationship between Hayden and Natalie lacks chemistry, that the dialogue is stilted, and that there is really no substance to the transformation of Anakin from this perhaps mildly troubled young Jedi/Stud to a pathological killer/tyrant like Darth Vader. What, a disagreement between Anakin and Obi Wan over Anakin's forbidden love affair is going to send him over to the dark side to the point where we see him forty years later telepathically strangling his subordinates with impunity? Darth Vader is akin to a serial killer like Hannibal, or some other grossly evil entity, not some pathetic old man still haunted by his lost love. From what the Phantom Menace shows us, his life as a slave was relatively peaceful, not the traumatizing affair a slave is likely to experience. It seems like he was more of an indentured servant than a slave, which invalidates the theory that perhaps his later fall to evil is due to his tragic and horrible life as an abused slave. Further, in the Forbidden Love trailer we see Anakin screaming "It is not fair, Obi Wan is always holding me back! Someday I will be the most powerful Jedi ever!" This dialogue sounds so infantile and imature, it seems more like a homage to ABC afternoon special dramas about teens in crisis with their parents. I doesn't suggest to me that Anakin will be capable of whacking off his old master with his lightsaber forty years later due to a grudge that won't quit. I dunno, the jury is still out for me on this film--and I will definitely see it to determine if these points are valid. I used to be a diehard fan, but more and more I find myself distancing from this franchise, because the material lacks substance. The movie may be immediately gratifying because of the effect's cool-factor, but will probably leave the audience with an empty feeling and a sense of alienation.
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Okay, perspective. 1) They have a cameo. So what. Just be glad it's not a speaking part. Hopefully it won't be as obvious as the ETs.
2) Lucas has been doing cute little background things all along. Remember the shoe that was hidden in the background in (ROTJ or ESB) during one of the star destroyer scenes? Hopefully N'Sync will be as easily forgotten.
3) Lucas is following a VERY OBVIOUS formula for the progression of SW. Only one talkbacker has apparently noticed this other than me, up near the top. Episode I features Anakin as a child, and the themes are of youth and innocence, giving it a very child-movie-like quality. Episode II features Anakin as a teen and has themes of youth rebellion and akward teen love, seeming to give it a teen-date-movie feel. I would bet good money that Episode III will feature Anakin as a 20-something who has lost direction, has relationship issues with Padme, ending in a Hamlet-esque fall to the dark side all very much in the style of a 20-something out-in-the-real-world-losing-hope kind of story we've all seen before.
4) YES, these are cheap, overwrought, half-baked themes, but George's movies ALWAYS HAVE BEEN THAT WAY. George studied anthropology in college, and he's been doing very safe run-of-the-mill, culturally universal stories ever since. EP4 = teen leaves home, grows up, saves world. EP5 = 2nd act, bad guys get back at good guys, good guys regroup, seek wisdom. EP6 = rehash of EP4 plot curve, boy grown up, saves world, this time with added obvious christian-influenced redemption story where boy learns that dad was an okay guy. This isn't Kubrick, people. He's not out to shock or criticize. This is Lucas, and he's going to do what it takes to reach a mainstream (read: teens and families) audience, and maybe just appease his kiddies while he's at it.
5) Lastly, we can't do a damned thing about it, so don't worry about it. GL will do what he wants with his movies. Don't let any poor sequels (or prequels) ruin your memories of the good originals. E.G., Batman and Robin sucked, but I still like the first one. Every other Star Trek movie is a piece of crap, but most of the even numbers are decent. Did Lost World instantly make the original JP into a bad movie? No, and this movie won't affect ANH one iota.
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Sheesh! All I wanna say is: 1) Chris Lee looks cool and Natalie Portman looks hot in the pics, so so far, so good. 2) So N'Sync (or whatever) have a split-second, in-the-background, robed-and-hooded so you can't even distinguish them from the other 200 robed-and-hooded people cameo AND all get wiped out horrifically? Does anyone really see a problem with that? Heck, some people would spend money just to see them get their asses kicked! It's nowhere near the horror of the idea of having Britney Spears having a BIG role in an episode of Buffy, as was once rumoured. The only reason everone's upset is because they know. That cameo could've gone in without anyone knowing about it and no-one would be bitching about it because no-one would fucking notice it anyway. Unless all you people are actually closet N'Sync fans who can recognize each member of the band from a split-second shot of their left eye way in the background? 3) Yes, I think the cameo does stink of pandering, but on the other hand, I get a feeling some people are actually more pissed off that these guys have the leverage to get into the film when all us other fans don't. Heck, they get to be actual jedis and date a girl who looks like Britney (well, when you sleep together, at least you don't have to hear her sing)! Look, let's face it, if anyone of us could get a chance to be even just a blot in the background in a SW or LOTR film, we'd SO fucking take it. Would any one of us start to consider "maybe I shouldn't, because from the point of view of artistic integrity, I don't think I'm cool enough or jedi-like enough to do this role..."? No, we'd jump at the chance like a starving man would jump at anything resembling food (bad metaphor, but so what?). 4) And finally, I'm much more worried about the actual things that will make the movie suck (thanks for getting me panicked, Harry, with that list of unspeakable doom). I'm worried about the plot, about the acting, about the Boba-baby, about the idea that Yoda doing martial arts and fighting will look really ridiculous... I'm much more worried about these than some split-second cameo that I'm probably never going to notice. I mean, it's not like we find out in the movie that jedi training includes classes in co-ordinated dance moves and crooning to teenage girls - cue N'Sync dancing in matching jedi-style outfits and singing some godawful dirge to swooning 3PO units (always knew there was something decidedly gay about them...). That's not going to happen (at least pray God it isn't), so the cameo doesn't worry me in the least.
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hell yes! i think in the most ways you`re right, harry.
but don`t forget the education if you make all wishes of your daughter come true, george!!
aaand..i don`t understand as a real (star wars) GEEK can say that he won`t go in aotc because n`sync!!!! -
Jan 04, 2002 5:42:49 AM CST
Allright folks; here's what we do... everybody MUST boycott
by llghtst0rmer
Get the point?
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Jan 04, 2002 5:43:01 AM CST
i must have missed the talk back when the "forbidden love" trail
by zizzish
i just saw it, and i'm surprised it took 2 seconds of background boy band to make anybody finally lose faith in this movie. to get such awful performances from the two leads without recruiting from the "Red, White, and Blaine" audition rejects is a feat in itself, but to give them this kind of dialogue to read takes serious balls. "Ani?!" cries ms. portman, like she's calling lassie to dinner. "My goodness, you
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Please please please -- Ain't It Cool News is a place where we go to NOT have to see such uncool twerps as the NStink bunch. Let them do their hopscotch-dance bullshit somewhere else. They such to the 9th degree of all sucktitude.
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IF YOU GUYS HAVEN'T TUNED IN YET TO BUTTBACKENDER.COM, http://www.geocities.com/buttbackender/ButtBackender.html THE ONLY F*** STAR WARS SITE ON THE INTERNET, I SUGGEST YOU DO SO NOW!!!!!!!!! THIS IS THE START OF SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY BAD.
PS: ISN'T IT ENOUGH THAT LUCAS HAS MORE MONEY THAN GOD AND HIS KIDS HAVE EVERY MATERIAL COMFORT THEY COULD EVER POSSIBLY WANT?
WHY RUIN THE FILM FOR THE OTHER UNTOLD MILLIONS OF "FANS"?
VIVA BUTT BACKENDER!!!!!!!!!! -
Jan 04, 2002 6:15:37 AM CST
I like George Lucas, he did it, he made somthing cool and lastin
by monstersdue
nsync sucks! though
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Jan 04, 2002 6:17:48 AM CST
GGGGGGGGGGGGGgrrrrrreeeeeeeeaaattttttttt AAAAAAAAAsssssss on the
by monstersdue
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You know the drill...
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Nice pics
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Sorry I haven't posted earlier. Been debating this whole deal in the JC forums at TF.N. I'm sorry if this post covers much the same ground I covered in the thread last night. However that thread has been nixed by the mods and I feel I made some valid points. (Many others seemed to feel so as well, to my surprise.) And I didn't threaten or bash anyone.
First off I'd like to say that the N'Sync thing isn't the only problem I've had. It's just the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.
I've been a die-hard fan for 25 years... Since I was a little kid.
I was already pumped up on Star Wars since I was two with the movie and all the toys... I remember when my dad couldn't find the sandcrawler toy anywhere so he went to his workshop in the basement and built me one out of wood. I still have it and to this day even though I have thousands of dollars worth of vintage and new SW toys, that Sandcrawler is my favorite possession in the world.
Then when I was not yet five I witnessed the sheer brilliance that was "The Empire Strikes Back". I was absolutely mesmerized. Then Yoda came on screen and he was the coolest thing I had ever seen in my life. I'd saying seeing 'Empire' at age four would have to be the closest thing I've ever had to a 'religious experience' in my life.
Sure many would say it's silly and it's just a movie... But that would be like saying the Mona Lisa is "just a painting" or Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata is "just a tune". When art reaches a state of perfection it's pure magic. I don't care if it's fine art or a movie that came out last month. Great art is timeless. Someone who thinks only films like Citizen Kane and Gone With the Wind can be great art, that's just a snobs point of view. If everything is on and a film hits it's target audience square in the face then it's created it's magic.I mean I've tried hard to really like TPM. I've even defended it in the past against the bashers (especially the ones who just go on and on about Jar Jar when I think his one of the lesser problems with the movie.)
However the more I watch it the more I realize how bad it is. 'Fellowship of the Ring actually gave me that magical feeling I expected TPM to. Not because it was dark, just because everything fell perfectly into to place and the good guys seemed a real of friends like Han Luke and Leia in the OT. And the evil seemed REAL evil. Like Vader in the OT. Not just some cool looking guy mugging for the camera who never actually does anything evil like Maul. I even think Harry Potter was vastly better. After all Harry wasn't going "oops" ever time he did something right. He actually acted like a chosen one, not some kid playing at McDonalds.
Now I do think TPM had great stuff IN it. The lightsaber duels are awesome. The Effects are terrific. Qui-Gon Jinn is a very cool character. The podrace is cool (although it's marred by the cheesy cartoon podracers and the stupid cartoon ESPN voiced announcers.) The fact that it had so much potential just aggravates me more.
One thing that really bothers me is that Lucas told us TPM would be a lot like ANH. It's nothing like it. First off we have so-called bad guys but when do they do anything evil?
In ANH the Empire commits one evil act after another making us hate them. First we see stormies board Tantive IV and kill a bunch of Rebel Troops. Then Vader strangles Captain Antilles to death.
Meanwhile on Tatooine stormies slaughter innocent Jawas and kill Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. Then Vader tortures Leia and Tarkin blows up Alderaan killing millions (perhaps even billions). By this point in the picture us the viewer hates Vader and the Empire just as much as Luke and Leia.
Then of course in ESB Vader tortures Han and Leia and slices off Luke's Arm.
In ROJ Vader and the Emperor have a strong presence of evil in the final confrontation with Luke. I especially love Palpy telling Luke his friends will now die and laughing and also when Vader threatens to turn Leia to the Darkside. Those parts send chills down my spine.
In TPM we have the Neimoidians. They're not evil. Just bumbling fools. They're too audaciously stupid to be evil. And instead of making the battle droids scary he just makes them stupid. "Roger Roger!". Darth Siddious is controlling them but to what end? To get control of the planet and get Palpy (himself) elected Chancellor? Where is the evil in that? I mean after all the republic is "not what it once was". Just saying he's a Sith isn't enough. I mean if someone was watching the films for the first time in chronological order a "Sith" would mean squat to them.
Also I mean sure Naboo is taken over, so what? We do hear some vague talk about the people dying (but that's a ploy to get the Queen to reveal her location.) Then Amidala talks about her people dying and their way of life being threatened but I don't see it. We don't see ANY Naboo suffer. For all we know they where just sitting having tea and cookies during the whole thing. In fact except for a few Naboo soldiers and pilots, Qui-Gon and Darth Maul... We see no one else die in TPM. We see no Gungans die in the battle, heck even in ROJ some Ewoks got killed.
The worst problems of all are during the final battle. Like I already stated the Gungan battle isn't really much of a battle at all. It's just comedy bits for Jar Jar, that seem more appropriate for a Pixar or PDI CGI toon then for a live action Star Wars. I didn't really have much of a problem with Jar Jar earlier in the film except at times when he seems too cartoonish. But all would have been fine if he redeemed himself in the final battle. Instead he goes Buster Keaton on us. The most insulting is when he has the droid blaster stuck on his foot and he takes out several droids by accident, EVEN a Droideka which even the Jedi couldn't take out. Everything he does good or bad is a mistake.
Then we have Anakin in the N1. Instead of having him fly the n1 and go into battle on purpose we have the whole "automatic pilot deal" even worse while he flew his podracer with relative ease he seems to have no clue what to do in the n1 and all his success are accidents. Instead of being The Chosen One and doing everything by design it's "oops this and oops that" acting more like a little kid playing with a toy then "the great pilot" Obi-Wan said he was when he met him. Even worse he flies into the Droid Control ship by accident and then blow it up by accident. (If you've seen the Phantom Edit you've seen how much better it would have worked if Anakin's actions seemed intentional.)
Just think how unexciting and anti-climatic
ANH would have been if Han accidentally shot Han off of Luke's tail and Luke accidentally blew up the Death Star. Yet that is what Lucas chose to do with TPM. Maybe he didn't think a ten year old could do those things on purpose and if he meant your normal ten year old I would agree but Anakin is suppose to be a child prodigy, the chosen one. Look at Harry Potter. At the end of the movie all of the actions of him and his pals in the movie where with purpose, no "accidents' that luckily come out good and it made it much more interesting. Lucas just seemed to have a bad case of the cutes... And was more interested in being cute then telling a good story like he did with the OT.
Back to the villain problem, we have Darth Maul. Yeah he looks freaky enough but he never does anything evil. Even as much as him killing Qui-Gon with a cheap shot pissed me off I couldn't classify it as evil since it was a fair fight more or less. All Maul ever really did besides the duel is mug for the camera and act cool. I mean look how many people where not upset over Qui-Gon's death (although I was) but they where over Darth Maul's. I mean when I was a kid and we played Star Wars no one was like "I wanna be Darth Vader!" Every boy wanted to be Han or Luke.
Ok, now after ESB came out there where always some who wanted to be Boba Fett but that's because Boba just acted cool. Plus he wasn't a major villain, he was just a money hungry bounty hunter. Like Maul he just stood around acting cool. That was fine for him but for Maul it sucked. We're suppose to hate the villain and be scared of them. If we think they're cool and want to be them the storyteller isn't doing his proper job.
Weird part is the Ewok movies seemed to be more gutsy then TPM in some ways. Battle for Endor opens with the entire Towani being killed except for Cyndel. I remember Lucas took some criticism for supposedly making 'Battle for Endor' and 'Willow' "too intense" for the little ones they where aimed at. With TPM it seemed he finally made a movie genteel enough to satisfy the militant parents watch groups.
The reason I'm going on about all this is I want to point out that it's not like I was in a state of Star Wars bliss and I heard N'Sync and it made me start raving like a maniac (you see I just always rave like a maniac, it's my way *grin*) I'm just someone who has been dedicated to Star Wars his whole life, has always considered it the greatest movie series ever made and the pinnacle of SciFi/Fantasy...
And then I was disappointed when Lucas didn't deliver the old magic with TPM. Yet I tried very hard to forgive TPM it's problems, concentrating on the good parts and telling myself Lucas will redeem himself with AOTC. Then Anakin was cast and I was shocked that Hayden looked like your run-of-the-mill pretty boy. Basically a Freddie Prinze JR type.
However I told myself that it was because he's a really good actor. However I'm now starting to wonder if he didn't cast that type on purpose to attract teen girls. I can just imagine when the casting came down to Hayden or Colin Hanks that he asked his girls and they told him Hayden looked too average and Hayden is "much more dreamy".
I can just picture some of the comments of Lucas kids over the years.
"Daddy why does Han shoot down poor Greedo like that? It's not very nice! He should have let Greedo shoot first"
"I don't like how those meanie weeinie bad guys choke people and blow planets up, it's mean!"
"Daddy 'Dumb and Dumber' is such a funny movie. Star Wars should have poop and fart jokes!"
"Dad Jar Jar is soooooo funny. He needs to have more scenes!"
"Daddy we just really love N'Sync, they're so hot. They like Star Wars too! Please put them in the movie! Please daddy bear!"
"Oh that Colin Hanks acts ok but he's not nearly as dreamy as Hayden. Choose him daddy!"
After this N'Sync deal I wouldn't be surprised. After all The New York Post (not some tabloid)reported Lucas' girls are huge N'Sync fans. And yes I know Lynn Hale told LAUNCH.com that Lucas' daughters have nothing to do with it and Lucas himself really had nothing to do with it, and was in fact Rick's call.
Well for one Lucas is control freak, if you don't think he's responsible for every inch of the screen in ever frame of his film, your smoking some powerful stuff. Secondly Lucas and his lackey's are anything but trust worthy.
Some examples.
"This is Star Wars the way Lucas always envisioned it."
Oh he would have preferred a cartoon character over Jar Jar and no sense of evil in ANH? I see..
"I always meant for Greedo to fire first."
Oh that's why both versions filmed have HAN firing first (see the Behind the Magic CD-ROM)not to mention the humor of Han saying "I bet you have" doesn't work if he doesn't shoot him right after it. Also it's funny neither the screenplay or novelazation have Greedo firing first... Especially since the screenplay and book where finished before the movie, which is why the Jabba scene is in both...
"I always intended to do prequels"
Oh so that's why Lucas didn't ad the Episode IV at the beginning of ANH until Hamill complained he didn't want to keep doing Star Wars forever.
"I never really intended to do three trilogy. I had a story for six movies, the other three where an after thought"
Ok he may be right or wrong here. All I know is in numerous old issues of Star Wars mags I have ranging from TIME, to Starlog, People and Famous Monsters Lucas said time again there would be three trilogies with the original being the centerpiece of the saga.
SO much for honesty from the Lucas camp.
So basically this N'Sync is just the latest in a long line of signs that Lucas is never going to make real Star Wars magic again.
It's just another sign he's interested more in selling a product to the general populace the he is creating art.
Look at all the press this N'Sync deal is getting. I think that was LUcas' plan and it's the lowest he could have stooped IMO and just another example of his blatant commericilism over art. With TPM he was aiming for pre-school kids and now with AOTC he seems to be aiming for the teeny-bopper crowd. It doesn't matter if the basic story has great potential (which TPM had) and great action scenes (which TPM had.) If the end product has bad structuring, bad dialog, an over-emphasis on special effects and is clearly aiming for a marketable audience... Then all the potential will have be wasted once again.
The ironic part of Lucas' new Star Wars is
that kids today who dig the prequels will probably go back and watch the original trilogy and think they're boring and say the effects look cheap.
"Why is there no wacky guy like Jar Jar, just some 7 foot dog"
"Han is 30-something! and Luke looks like this guy in my math class that I hate!"
"Vader and Obi-Wan's duel is LAME! Like my grandfathers fighting with their walking sticks"
"All the creatures are dudes with masks, how LAME!"
"The fans want Star Wars to be something it's not. They want it to be like "The Terminator"
No Mr. Lucas, we want it to be like.. Star Wars. More specifically we want the light episodes to be like ANH and the dark episodes to be like 'Empire'.
After all people tend to focus more on effects and action then the STORY. Unfortunately so does Lucas anymore. Every time I watch 'From Star Wars to Jedi' now and hear Lucas say "Special Effects with out a story is a pretty boring thing." I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the irony.
Oh and I want to point out people often think fans like myself love 'Empire' the most because it's the darkest of the saga but there's more to it then that. I mean yes the darkness is one reason, not because dark is cool. It's because dark is reality and it makes Star Wars more believable. Any writer knows (even an yet-to-be-published hack like me) knows that no one wants to read books or see movies about happy people with perfect lives. We want characters who suffer like we do in life.
Not to mention we love 'Empire' for it's lighter elements as well. The snappy dialog that goes back and forth between Han and Leia. The way Yoda pretends to be a demented hermit. The Way R2 gets swallowed and spit out by the swamp creature. The way C-3P0 just generally annoys Han and everyone else. I still cheer every time Artoo fixes the hyperdrive... And I consider the funniest moment in the saga to be when R2 is dragging 3PO and beeps at him and 3PO answers with "Of course I've looked better!!!"
Back to the N'Sync thing it isn't jealousy. It's the fact that they did nothing to deserve this other then being made rich and famous by a lot of screaming teen girls.
They not actors who are struggling and saying they're in Star Wars will help them out.
They're not ILMers who worked hard on the film. They're not even someone famous whose somehow contributed to the Star Wars community like Kevin Smith or "Weird Al".
Had Lucas ask one of them to have a bit part I would have thought it really cool. In fact I got a chance to ask "Weird Al" a question a couple years ago and I asked him if he would like to play an alien or some other part in Star Wars and he said he's LOVE to. Heck he could have wrote a tune for the background in the nightclub scene. After writing the wonderful songs Yoda and The Saga Begins at least he would deserve it.
Plus all this anti-N'Sync stuff isn't just a "guys hate N'Sync" thing either. More then half of my Star Wars loving friends are women or girls in their late teens and I asked several of them what they though about this and they where al uniformly disgusted. Pretty much anyone who isn't a early teen girl who follows "what's how now" doesn't like N'Sync. Heck if you've even seen them on TV at a concert or being interviewed you'd see how cocky and in-love with themselves they are. Now they get to brag that they OFFICIALLY got to play Jedi. I mean to a non-Star Wars fan I know it's like "big deal" but to someone like myself whose dreamt his whole life about being a Jedi in a Star Wars film it's like a big kick in the nachos that a group of obnoxious Nancy-boys get to be official Jedi. It doesn't matter if we see them in the film or not. Every time they mention N'Sync for now on, or Star Wars for that matter on TV we're going to hear how the lucky N'Sync boys got to play Jedi in AOTC. Makes me want to vomit.
Ideally I would have liked to see Lucas have an essay writing contest "Why I love Star Wars" and the top five winners would get flown to the ranch and dressed as Jedi and filed on a blue screen. It would have been a
nice way for Lucas to connect to us fans who he so often ignores. I mean we've been the ones buying the toys, books, comics and games for the past twenty-some years and making him rich, not the general masses and yet he seems to have nothing but animosity towards us. And if that's how Lucas sees us loyalist who've stuck through him even during the dark times after ROJ when being a Star Wars fan was uncool.
I will still give AOTC a shot and see it when it opens but this is Lucas last chance. If he gives us a movie with Star Wars magic I could forgive him, but if he once again panders to the general populace it'll be all I can take. With the spoiler filled storyline out and facts like Yoda with a saber and Chris Lee as a villian I was starting to think AOTC might actually be good but now I'm worried that this N'Sync deal, as insignifcent as it may seem is a sign of Lucas mindset and that he hadn't learned from his mistakes with TPM. Oh well in four months we shall see. I hope I'm wrong and it kicks so much @$$ I forget about TPM and forget about N'Sync. I'm not holding my breath.
It's really hard to imagine a Star Wars movie coming out in 2005 and me not caring when it's been such a major part of my life for 25 years. Oh well. Iguess there's always "Lord of the Rings" *sigh*
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Well, fresh from my LOTR disappointment, I walk bang into this one. Star Wars will be dreadful. It must be said that this is becoming a forgone conlcusion. It is good that Lucas is trying to engage a new young audience, but the cynicism is frightening. I thought he would be making these films for himself, but it appears that he lacks conviction, and just cannot be bothered to deliver the goods to anyone. He is quickly becoming a joke, and ruining the original Star Wars trilogy for all.
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I just can't fathom how so many people can get this puckered over a movie. I love Star Wars but for fuxake people, IT'S JUST A MOVIE! Every time Harry posts a feature about Star Wars half his readers assholes audibly slam shut. I'm into Thelonius Monk for godsake, I'd rather listen to "100 Favorit Kid's Songs Calculated to Drive Parents Into a Drooling Stupor" than ten minutes of NSYNC. But as for the cameo possibility I just don't give a hairy shit. I don't plan to search the DVD frame advance for the boy band (assuming they don't get cut) and I don't plan to picket the theaters like a friggin' religious extremist bent on showing society it's many mortal sins. Some of you are like that annoying knob at the grocery store who holds up the que yelling at the powerless checkout girl because his 50 cent coupon his expired. Jesus folks, smoke a bowl, forget about the jocks who tormented you in junior high school, and lighten up before you end up babbling street lunatics.
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Why worry about Jar Jar and N'Sync? N'Sync was cool enought to put supermodel Kim Smith in two of their videos. That alone makes them kinda cool. As far as Nat Portman goes. She is talented and gorgeous. I don't mind Jar Jar. He is one character in the movie. I don't understand the fuss over Fett. I could care less about him. Again so what about N'Sync. Maybe pretty teenage girls will swanp the theatre and some of you will get dates.
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Phantom Menance was utterly hollow. You disbelieved everything you said - righting it all off as CGI.
Mmh JarJar - that's CGI, mmh those stick-insect asssticking love robot - that's CGI, mmh Ewan - probably CGI. Wait Natalie's hair - that CGI as well. Actually the whole movie is an intro to a PS2 game.
How can actors really act against a blue screen. The entire film was liveless and soulless. It sucked shit to be frank - and AOTC looks worse. Even stop-go Sinbad monsters had more presence that any CGI creation of George 'I lick Harry's turds' Lucas. -
I personally couldn't give a rat nut if *NSYNC were in the movie or not! From what I seen in the "Forbidden" trailer, Justin timberlake alone seems to have more personality than Hayden Christense but I digress...
I'll be in the theatres for all of the big titles this year (Minority Report, Spiderman, MIIB, etc.) so, there be none of this "protesting/boycotting" bullshit. I'm a 32-year-old male that's been on the Star Wars nutsack since I saw ANH at age 8. So, I'm there for whatever. Good or bad, happy or sad.
As long as Natalie Portman is wearin' that outfit and holdin' that big black gun, she's gettin' my money! Good Lawahd, that's some Israeli/Ivy League sweetness goin' on back there! Come sit next to DADDY!!!! Now, I don't feel so bad for the impure and inappropriate thoughts that flashed briefly across my mind while watching "The Professional" for the first time (Sil vous plais, Monsier Besson! Make The Sequel!)!!! \Again, I digress.
Anything that Lucas makes with lightsabers, Jedi/Sith mythology, Imperial/Rebel conflict and that John Williams score......I'm fuckin' there!
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Harry, all the questions you raise about all those disturbing prospects for what's to come in AOTC worry me. ******** And I think you would have make a really cool Dwarf lord.
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How to tell someone's not from New York:
Quote "After all The New York Post (not some tabloid)reported Lucas' girls are huge N'Sync fans."
The Post NOT A TABLOID - What????!!! You're kidding me, right? Have you ever even seen a copy of the New York Post - that misbegotten bastard child of the National Enquirer and Weekly World News...
I submit - one of today's lead stories (http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/37377.htm): "Backstreet Boozer Busted For Brawl" - about Backstreet Boy Nick Carter getting busted in Florida - NOT A TABLOID - ROTFLMAO!!!!! -
that would be cool
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I'll still go see it... Too much of a Star Wars fan not to. Although, I'm of a mind to see it at a matinee first. Then we'll see if it merits repeat viewings. But the boy band being in there will certainly grate the nerves. It already is. It's like as one talkbacker put it: it's like if Peter Jackson had the backstreet boys in the hobbiton as hobbits during Bilbo's birthday. No speaking parts; they were just there. Eeeeeee... That would oh so make me sick. It's the point of it. See? 'Like I said though, I'll still have to see it anyway. Unless, gasp, gasp, the unthinkable happens. If NSYNC sings some stupid Star Wars pop song I'm out. Through. Gone. Lost me. If they even hint at even a single scene in one of their lammo songs and I have to hear it, I'm thorougly through. 'Only so much one can take. Please, Lucas, if you have to have them in... Please make them sign a contract that they can't sing about it... PLEASE!!! Anyways, around that same time we'll have Spidey coming out and FOTR coming out on DVD. This can oh be such a brilliant year for film. Such Possibilities. And of course the crowning achievement in the end again will be LOTR, with The Two Towers. Just think folks... Fellowship is the dullest and most drawn out portion of Lord of the Rings. TTT and ROTK are 10 times better parts of the overall story. Its where all the excitement is. 'Going to make for wonderful cinema. Fellowship was basically an introduction, and look how gagga people went over it. Just think... :) Anyways, let's hope the NSYNC thing was just a bad burrito Lucas had for lunch and that it's not an indication of things to come. There's way more room in the world for an infinity of great films. One film doesn't make or break the bank... Culturally speaking. And one major PS: That picture of Natalie Portman will suredly override many a dreadful rhumor driving my nervousness revolving around this production. Yeah Princess Amadalla. I guess we've all got our little hangups.
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I know what these losers here are going to do, go to the movie and spend the whole time trying to pick out Nsync. Personally, I would not know what these guys looked like even if I did try to find them, so who the fuck cares.. If the fact that nsync MIGHT be somewhere in the background of this movie ruins the whole star wars saga for you, then give it up. Pop in your divine, blessed "Peter Jackson is the risen lord" LOTR dvd and have a good time..
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I think having NSync in the movie could be great if they die a spectacular death. Consider what George Romero could do with the scene. Have them all explode into a cloud of blood and flying body parts. Maybe save the scene where the camera lingers on the severed head of Lance Bass for the DVD.
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And when N'Sync stroll their way up the red carpet, I'll say to them, "Great job on your cameo, guys! Let me give you your first award!" At that point, a wet greasy turd will hit them all in their collective faces with a meaty SPLAT! "Bean burritos mixed with Combos and corn niblets! Made fresh daily, boys! Hope ya like it!"
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This is just one more example of how it seems that Lucas has sold out to pop culture influence. The story and heart of Star Wars has gotten lost along the muddled way.
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Well spoken.
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my problem with this whole scenario is not that it is nsync...its the fact that they get to live the dream of millions of star wars fans, for the simple reason that they are famous and his little girl has a jones for them. i hope he gives equal consideration to people who actually deserve it..like kids with cancer, die hard fans...people for whom this would be one of the greatest moments of their otherwise crappy existience. does anyone know if this is the case? because it would renew my faith in all these filmmakers who suddenly have a "love me" complex.
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Jan 04, 2002 10:46:12 AM CST
They lived their "dream" to totally ruin mine. THANKS NSYNC.
by philtho
I will not buy another Lucas item ever again. I officially HATE Lucas and his movies. These were MY dream movies they have ruined for their SELFISH acts. I dont care that it's for a split second, it has totally destroyed my Star Wars world. I will protest this till the end of time. I will watch VCD's that I didn't pay for from here on out. Lucas doesn't deserve a stinking penny for this. If I was asked to be in it, sure, id jump at it. But if I was in a total lame boy band and had huge recognition that can totally ruin movies by simply being in them, I WOULD PASS. *ESPECIALLY* Star Wars. If they want to try and keep this series even remotely afloat, they will ask for Lucas to cut themselves out. Till then, consider it sunk. All hail Lord of the Rings.
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Well spoken.
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But, I must write my peace. Simply put, I feel there is great irony in people piling onto Lucas for including a blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo of a boy group. Why? Because it is the reflexive act of people who are use to having every damn fad and cultural bias of theirs fed back to them by the true mass of sell outs, entertainment exec. That which happens to be the source of NSYNC, by the way. A truly independent-minded Star Wars fan would just shrug this off, instead of getting bent out of shape. I appreciate Harry Knowles putting the real worries into perspective instead of howling about every damn supposedly uncool decision that Lucas has made. Let's just sit back relax, and when the time comes, if the movie (the actual movie, the work itself, the collection of shots and sounds that is SW2, and not that collection of pop-culture fed, spoiled brat preconceptions, and prejudices) measures up, we'll enjoy the show.
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Jan 04, 2002 11:02:56 AM CST
SHAKIRA HAS A CAMEO AS A JABBA DANCING SLAVE-GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by dark predator
Now that would be smart marketing!! But personally, I think we are all just jealous of 'NSTYNC. I think the whole thing is ridiculous. The only way Lucas could satisfy his daughters' lust is by having 'NSTYNC sleep with them. I mean that's what they want isn't it? But seriously, I think the Shakira thing would be AWESOME
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Yeah, the "Coming Out Of Our Shells Tour"! That was my first concert (my first REAL concert was Nirvana, so I can be forgiven). Actually, I enjoyed the hell outta that show, despite being at least four years past the recommended age and a couple of feet taller than any of the squirts around me. I even boughts me a plastic nunchuck and katana, and later got the video, though wouldn't admit that part to any of my chums. Also got the tape and little magazine thing they were giving away at Pizza Hut. I can still sing along with some of the songs. Mmmm... Side Note: Those "On The Line" shots are from here in Toronto, down on King St. Recognized them instantly.
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The way Ep 2 is looking, The Scorpion King may be our only salvation. Jackson may save the world with Two Towers, but I won't hold my breath...
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Ha, Ha, Ha. Watching all you Star Nerds have fits over Lucas's latest marketing ploy is a hoot! Did you idiots really think he was a filmmaker or that he cared one iota about some mythology that you laid on him? The guy has been about money since day one. How many times have you JERKOFFS bought the first 3 films? First, on VHS. Then, a special version on VHS. Don't forget the 3 or 4 times you bought them on laser. And you'd better believe that you'll be buying at least that many on DVD. I'll give Lucas some credit for knowing he's got a shitload of suckers on the line who'll swallow anything he fires at 'em! CHUMPS!!! It was hilarious watching you guys trying desperately not to admit that PHANTOM MENACE sucked ass when you saw it. You bitch and cry and moan like seven year old girls about this latest fiasco, but you'll all be there with money in hand-ready to give Uncle George some more jack. LOSERS! I'll bet Lucas is pissed he didn't set the first film in present day so he could capitalize on the product placement. If there was a way, he'd have a pepsi can in every scene. The man is not a director, he's a marketeer, so quit crying and give him your money.
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ILM has created an amazing CGI short called
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N'SYNC's members play Jedi for a second and then get murdered. If this is for his kid - he's got one sick sense of humor and poor parenting skills. That's an incredibly violent image to present as a gift to your kid - "hey, let's watch your heroes explode and die a firey death!"
I think this is more of George's famous lack of judgement. Sure, this guy made Star Wars - but he also made Howard the Duck - the biggest 35 mm fart anyone ever squeezed out of their ass. He's a piss poor director, can't get performances out of his actors, and gave us Jar Jar Binks (not to mention the Ewok song). I wouldn't be surpised if the Celine Deon rumour turns out to be true.
Hey George - as long as you don't care about your credability or what your fans think here's a list of other losers to put in Episode 3: How about Elmo - he's real popular with kids, and who doesn't like U2 or REM? I also hear children really dig Barney the Purple Dinosaur - there's got to be room for him in a scene - he could play Yoda's pupil (after all - they're both puppets), I also know that children like ice cream - so maybe we could have scene where Obi Wan is eating ice cream, or Cap'n Crunch? Kids dig rollerblades, too! What a final battle scene that would be. But I can sum it all up in one word - Pokemon - c'mon George, let's get on the bandwagon here.
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Everyone here will see AOTC. Everyone will find something to bitch about. It's fate. But I for one am happy Lucas decided to make the first three chapters. Every Star Wars film has been good. Some are better than others. If anyone here really doesn't give a crap about Lucas and his franchise, then why are you here? Why are you reading these posts? Why are you posting at all? Don't waste your time or mine leaving insignificant and mundane drival.
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Jan 04, 2002 12:00:43 PM CST
This whole anti-N'Sync fanboy frenzy makes me recall when Ne
by trav mcgee
Remember that episode? His "tough" friends catch them together: "Dude, you're kissing a girl?!? That is SO gay!"
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star wars fans (myself included) have a lot more to worry about surrounding this movie than whether or not those 5 little buttwipes are on-screen or not. if you're gettin' dragged behind a car by your sack, are you gonna sweat the hangnail on your finger?
the thing that pisses me off is - why did this have to become such a hype-machine for the movie? is luc-ass so worried about this thing that he's resorted to sensationalism to sell a few more tickets?
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Jan 04, 2002 12:05:29 PM CST
nathan mashto says, "they blowed up good. blowed up real good."
by truebeliever
I've completely changed my tune about the N'Sync "cameo." Partially because of what His Dudeness had to say. It's funny to me. The people who are making the biggest deal about this are the same ones who will be camping out to buy tickets. And they are the same people who will be squinting to find them just so they can complain later. Star Wars fans are becoming more and more like Chicago White Sox fans, they're not happy unless they have something to complain about. But here's my thought. N'Sync is in AOTC. They are in the background. They appear so briefly that it rightfully shouldn't even be considered a cameo. And come on, they get blown up for goodness sake. N'Sync gets blown up! We all want Jar Jar sliced in two Darth Maul style right? Well, a boy band is getting blown up! Revel in that gentlemen, revel. It doesn't ruin the movie. In fact it has no affect on the film whatsoever. So why all the belly-aching? If the rumor didn't get out no one would even notice, and we would hear no complaints. The way I see it, if you need something to bitch about let's talk organic web-shooters.
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The personal joy of spoiling one's children is not a good enough reason to put those tools in Ep 2 because Lucas's kids aren't the only people who are going to what the damn thing. And yes, Harry, Portman is hot and spaceships are cool and blah, blah, blah but those are just elements and a movie is (or should be) more than just a a random collection of some cool shit in the context of crap. That's why we have editing. That's why we show finished movies and not raw footage. The fact that it's Star Wars or Sci-Fi or an action movie or a kid's movie is still no good reason to ignore good filmmaking or to intentionally pander to the lowest common denomenator. Take a look at The Dark Crystal, Watership Down or even the fucking Matrix. Kids like them, moron's can understand and enjoy them and yet they still exhibit good to excellent filmmaking by relying on good storytelling techniques and not jerking off the audience with farting aliens and pointless pop culture references.
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Yep.
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Harry's points and rhetorical in this commentary seem somewhat in the same vein as my original post when this rumor was first confirmed (see it under EPII:Attack of the Boy Band Clones). I must confess, dwelling on some of the questions he posed, I'd say NSynch is the absolute LAST thing we should worry about. Jimmy Smits? Love story? A broken friendship? The ever annoying and once supporting comic relief of Jar Jar Binks? Once again, as I have stated more than just a few times, I believe we should have perspective more geared towards the real (possible) casualty of the story, rather than gnaw on one another's corroted arteries over boy band extras. True although I did state including NSynch as "the lowest of insults" in my prior post, I also stated story was of greater concern. And although I know he'll take a ribbing for this piece, Harry should be applauded for keeping focus on the priorities involved.
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... Lucas gets in on the whole "Mommies of America" anti-violence, censorship jag and alters ANH to have Greedo shoot at Han first. (Good for business, let's the Christers be more amenable to taking their target audience...er... young kids to see any future Star Wars product... er... films).
Lucas hears that a lot of folks who grew up with Statr Wars have an almost mystical attachment to the mythology of the series, some even claim to be Jedi, themselves. (Oops! gonna loose some of the Christer/Bible-Thumper audience there) Solution: Do an interview denying ANY mystical element in Star Wars, rewrite TPM script to have the Force be the result of... oh... tiny microscopic beings in the blood of all Jedi... yeah, that's it! No more mythological/mystical element.
Lucas has a problem: Surely we can bring in more of the 11-17 market, the prime corporate target these days, the "Tweens". I know! We'll tack on a cameo with those nice N'Synch boys my girls are always jabbering about.
Face it dudes, it's all about marketing and product placement and toys, nothing else. Lucas ain't nuthin' but a 'ho! And I for one, am no longer buying. -
Jan 04, 2002 1:09:12 PM CST
Justin has a beer and cheats on Britney...amid cosmic conflict.
by shaz_bot80
Pansies. Lucy Lawless has a blink-if-you-miss-it cameo in Spiderman. Gonna get sick on Sam Rami? You fanboy bastards! THEY ARE EXTRAS!! YOU WILL HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE THEM! QUIT CRAPPING YOUR SHORTS, AND GET ON WITH YOUR LIVES! you know they won't have lines. They aren't like Sam Jackson and they are just going to be like the E.T senators in episode 1. Get a life!
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This article did soften me up a bit, but in the original talkback I said I didn't mind anyway. I said the only thing I resented was the fact that these no talented guys get a cameo while real actors didnt- but I have changed my mind on that a little. I mean what is the difference between an actor I think is cool, and these guys? Not much. Everyone has their opinion, and if it makes George Lucas' daughter happy, then so much the better. This sounds like one of those scenes where they just need BODIES- they stick the sound special effects guy, Rick McCallum, etc in there because no one else is around to do it. I have no problem with this, and I would submit that anyone who does is pretty jaded.
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Greetings folks, long time lurker, long time laughter, first time pissed. First: It appears that every single person taking this N'Sync crap seriously has never seen Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. Second: I don
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Sorry, I had to respond to this one. First of all there appears to some confusion on the difference between a performer and a musician. Musicians can write music, and play instruments (skin flute doesn't count). And Harry, comparing NSYNC to the Beatles??? Come On!!! If people still listen to NYSNC in 40 years, then we can start the discussion. If NYSNC were to release the same album over and over again (same melodies and arrangement) but simply changed the lyrics, I doubt seriously any of the current fans would notice, because music is secondary to the gag.
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Mark Hamill couldn't act his way out of a paper bag. Billy Dee Williams?!?!?!? Yoda is so obviously a puppet who's voice is so Frank Oz it's distracting. E-fucking-wocks. Vader as Uncle Fester smiling and waving. But I still eagerly went to each sequel - more than once - and enjoyed all of the Star Wars films each and every time. I've since watched the special editions through adult eyes, and you know what - I still had fun. Phantom Menace - despite "Woah!", "Yippie!" and (cringe) Jar-Jar, is two hours well spent on a cold Saturday afternoon in front of the 32". My point to all of this is: "Get over it!" Lucas never meant this series to be any more than it is, a tribute to the movie serials he enjoyed as a kid, but with better effects. They were never intended to be anything but fun and entertaining. Yes, I know some people take them much more seriously - whatever works for you - but this concern over what will amount to 1/7200nd of the film is ridiculous. The whole N'Sync controversy will be dead and forgotten when the new film comes out, and that most of us will have to be reminded they were even in the film as we leave the theater. "If you pause the DVD at 5:37 in chapter 42..." What matters is that Lucas makes sure that the current three episodes are as entertaining as the first three. You want real controversy? I'll wager that Padme makes an appearance in the 12 disk "Ultimate Star Wars Saga" DVD box set version of "A New Hope". Start writing your "Lucas raped my childhood with this unforgivable act of sacrilege!" posts now. The other 98% of us will understand that it is in the interest of continuity while we watch and enjoy it with our own kids. "They love this stuff as much as I did at their age. How cool is that?"
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When I was a kid I remember a rumour about KISS playing a "desert monster" in Episode "6." (I heard this after Star Wars but before ESB.) At the time I thought that would be really cool. I was 10 and my world was Star Wars and KISS.Of course now I am quite happy that KISS is not in Episode "6." I still like KISS (make-up era only) but am glad that it didn't happen. Ironically, now years later, Lucas is ruining Star Wars and Gene Simmons has ruined KISS. But my point is in a few years Lucas kids are going to watch Episode 2 and think "what the hell were we thinking? N'Sync? Blach!"
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Did Comedy Central drop the idea of an AICN tv show hosted by Harry when, after seeing him with Ben Stein and Bill Maher, that he's a shrinking violet who's terrified of conflict or argument and can't even back up his own opinions when someone debates him? Or maybe they too were bewildered as to how a man who in January declared, after seeing BLOW with Ted Demme, that it would have been his NUMBER ONE MOVIE OF 2000 HAD HE SEEN IT THAT YEAR, only to have it place 22 on his 2001 Best-of list after no one else had "loved" the film as much as he supposedly did. That's right, according to Harry Knowles, 21 other movies from 2001 were better than anything in 2000. Explain that one, Harry?
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Boy has she grown up to be a hottie. She is gonna be even better looking by the time EP3 starts filming. Nice.
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Not to the movie studios, oh no. He is a sellout to the fat loser slobs who visit his site. Me? I like Jar Jar a lot. I'm not a chicken, I will say it to anyone who asks. If Harry's opinion was that he liked him, then he shouldn't cower because a bunch of turds on his website complain. (You aren't turds for not liking Jar Jar, you are turds because most of you seem to have no life outside of this forum). If you say yousa love him in the first review and then bash him in every story thereafter, what are we to think? What kind of integrity do you have?
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Beautiful. Just Beautiful.
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"But Da-deee!" "No!" "Pleeee-ze!" "No!" "You let Jett name a character." "Yeah, and look how that turned out!" "But we want one." "No!" "We'll get straight A's." "No!" "We'll clean up around the ranch." "No." "If you don't get us one, we'll get pierced." "No!" "Then we'll get tatooed." "No!" "We'll get all the kids to stop making fun of EPISODE 1!"...."Hi, I'm Busman Monthly. Today on Totally Begged For Live, the newest boy band E'Wok with their hit single GIRL, I'D NAVIGATE AN ASTEROID FIELD FOR YOU." "Girrrl, my hyperdrive's broken down! Girrrl, I'm gonna make this ol' Falcon take me all the way to Couresant town! Blast me past those Star Destroyers, negotiate the asteroids like a bunch a lawyers! I'll make that lightspeed jump back to you!" "Welcome, guys. Tell us who you are!" "I'm Ian." "I'm Liam." "I'm Gwain." "I'm S.W." "I'm Hayden." "I'm Buzz."...
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"But Da-deee!" "No!" "Pleeee-ze!" "No!" "You let Jett name a character." "Yeah, and look how that turned out!" "But we want one." "No!" "We'll get straight A's." "No!" "We'll clean up around the ranch." "No." "If you don't get us one, we'll get pierced." "No!" "Then we'll get tatooed." "No!" "We'll get all the kids to stop making fun of EPISODE 1!"...."Hi, I'm Busman Monthly. Today on Totally Begged For Live, the newest boy band E'Wok with their hit single GIRL, I'D NAVIGATE AN ASTEROID FIELD FOR YOU." "Girrrl, my hyperdrive's broken down! Girrrl, I'm gonna make this ol' Falcon take me all the way to Couresant town! Blast me past those Star Destroyers, negotiate the asteroids like a bunch a lawyers! I'll make that lightspeed jump back to you!" "Welcome, guys. Tell us who you are!" "I'm Ian." "I'm Liam." "I'm Gwain." "I'm S.W." "I'm Hayden." "I'm Buzz."...
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I don't frequent the site for a few weeks and everything seems to have gone to hell over the holidays. Are people still surprised at the shit George Lucas is pulling? Are people still feeling "raped" and "ruined" - their dreams unfulfilled and their lives not worth living because Lucas' children are making creative decisions? Lucas is so far gone that if he let his kids write and direct we might get something that doesn't feel extremely dated and lazy. It's been two and a half years and TPM has not aged well. The original trilogy has stood the test of time, but I truly believe that with LOTR Peter Jackson has set the bar for the fantasy/adventure genre way higher than Lucas can ever deliver. I hope I eat those words, but if TPM is any indicator of Lucas' current ability, I doubt I will. I don't want to perpetuate that absolutely pointless debate which never seems to be made in any manner even resembling low-level intelligence - but I'm a life-long OT fan (I even like Jedi) and while I don't put the flicks on any special pedestal, I think they're all pretty solid. TPM was a mess, and even though the trailers for AOTC look slick, the TPM trailers kicked ass also. The little scraps of dialogue in the AOTC trailer are horrible. The dialogue in the TPM trailer was well done (very little Jar-Jar and no Anakin I believe) and with every new news tidbit that comes out I care less and less if AOTC is good or not. It's just a movie, and Lucas has always been a mediocre writer/director who had a great visual potential but never a signture visual or storytelling style. American Graffiti is the exception, but THX-1138 was pretty bad and the first Star Wars has a certain charm to it, but is far from a masterpiece, and far from original. Empire is a standout film, and Jedi isn't as bad as people are saying. I shuddered when I found out Lucas was directing all of the prequels, and I wish he would have implemented his one time plan of having Frank Darabont direct Ep. 2 and David Fincher direct Ep. 3. But after TPM, those two cats got as far away as possible. Lucas is too effects oriented. He's trying too hard to please a generation which has little to no interest in Star Wars. Christopher Lee is a good sign, but I'm hesitant to say that even he can save AOTC. The title says it all - it's just a glossy B-movie, and that's all we should take it as. If he really wanted to make AOTC teen oriented, he should have done a solid and hired Jake Kasdan who directed some Freaks and Geeks and Undeclared's, and wrote the exceptional Zero Effect plus he's the son of Empire/Jedi screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan. That would have been perfect. For his co-screenwriter, Lucas should have hired someone from outside the Lucasfilm pool - someone who has other writing credits aside from Young Indiana Jones because now we're getting a Young Darth Vader movie. I guess I do care after all, and I will be disappointed if the flick tanks, but there are other things out there, better things. Hopefully, where AOTC fails, The Two Towers will stop the fanboy bitching. I don't know if I can handle the system of Star Wars speculation and subsequent overly-dramatic complaining up through 2005 and beyond. I'm gonna make myself scarce.
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Piazza San Marcos has hit it right on the head. A lot of you people seem to be complete assholes. I hope to god that I'm in the same theater with all of you seeing AotC when the N*Sync scene comes up so I can watch all of you spontaneously combust. Harry, I sincerely hope that you're not listening to the majority of these pricks, because N*Sync cameo or not, most of them don't even know how to communicate without being mean. To all of you rotten shitheads, I say this: die. Or get over yourselves; whichever comes first.
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Speak the truth from the top o the mountain my brother's keeper.
Everything you stated is absolutly spot on and I wish siblings and parents would realize that and take care of this epidemic ASAP.
Being a new father I have already decided that my son WILL grow up appreciating quality over mass-hyped brainless dribble. His mother is a punk diehard and already dreams of when she'll be able to spike his hair. She already knitted him a little swaeter on which she attached a Sex Pistols patch. Now granted punk is neccessarily the best example of quality but at least my son will grow up thinking for himself and not feel the need to like pre-packaged, study group tested, pre-teen, yak vomit. I f I catch him swaying to the DARKSIDE I will bitch slap his ass so hard and send him to his room lock that door fvrom the outside and force him to listen to only the legends and greats until he learns that substance and quality will always be better than flash and bang.
My girlfriend when she heard of this travesty put her foot down and send she would not view the next installment of defilement of our childhood. I couldn't even argue in Lucas( AKA the fallen one) defense because while I have resisted trashtalking the onetime magician and storyteller he has forsaken his roots and like the other TBer pointed out conformed to the Christian Right Wingers standards.
To everyone who when talking of FOTR said finally we don't have to accept mediocre(?) crap from hollywood anymore for we finally got a great movie and now they are saying that this is NO BIG DEAL and defend GL your a bunch fucking wishy-washy nutless wonders. take a freaking stand against mediocre crap. When I first heard of that petition to have Peter Jackson do EP III I laughed at the absurdity of it now I WANT TO FRICKING SIGN IT IN MY BLOOD!
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A lot of people want to be in a Star Wars film, what makes these talentless wankers special.
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A lot of people want to be in a Star Wars film, what makes these talentless w***ers special.
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It wasn't until just now I remembered a story from WAAAYY back, circa 1987, I got dragged kicking a screaming to this god awful crap movie called "Like Father, Like Son", starring Kirk Cameron and Dudley Moore, you might remember that phase of Father/Son switching movies along with "Vice Versa" and several others. Well, at one point Kirk Cameron's character gets punched, and some little teeny bopper in the row behind us says in a near tearful voice "Oh, Kirk!", and we just starting laughing and laughing, to which the girl said, "You animals!". For me, that was the best part of that movie for me, period. Now, I'm assuming AOTC will have more fun in it than watching N'Stink get massacred, but my advice, go see it, be sure to get a seat in front of a bunch of teenaged girls(if you can stomach them) and wait in anticipation...this will be fun!
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It wasn't until just now I remembered a story from WAAAYY back, circa 1987, I got dragged kicking a screaming to this god awful crap movie called "Like Father, Like Son", starring Kirk Cameron and Dudley Moore, you might remember that phase of Father/Son switching movies along with "Vice Versa" and several others. Well, at one point Kirk Cameron's character gets punched, and some little teeny bopper in the row behind us says in a near tearful voice "Oh, Kirk!", and we just starting laughing and laughing, to which the girl said, "You animals!". For me, that was the best part of that movie for me, period. Now, I'm assuming AOTC will have more fun in it than watching N'Stink get massacred, but my advice, go see it, be sure to get a seat in front of a bunch of teenaged girls(if you can stomach them) and wait in anticipation...this will be fun!
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Jan 04, 2002 2:53:30 PM CST
Even one second of NSync in Star Wars would be like going to chu
by jefferylebowski
George, if you're reading this, I just want to say that I'm a huge fan who will never forgive you or the series if I see anybody from NSync onscreen in May. If they're unrecognizable, indistinguishable extras.. fine. I'd be a lot happier had I never recieved this news in the first place, but whatever. As long as I don't have to see their faces. Now. Let's just suppose I do recognize one. Let's say Lance gets half a second of screen time ala ET in Episode 1. That would take me so far out of the Star Wars universe for so long that I will never return. I have nothing against these boys, personally, I'm sure they're very secure with themselves and I think it's great they way they've given the homosexual community a public voice. But for god's sake, I do not want them in my Star Wars. And by the way, The Dude is totally wrong. George Lucas should not have to put a boy band in a movie to impress his little girl. He's GEORGE FUCKING LUCAS for God's sake. Dude, as your namesake, I'm telling you with love to get your head out of your ass.
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When Luke, Ben and the two droids first arrive in the city, you get a quick glimpse of Phillip Michael Thomas walking by and smiling in the background.
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I rarely post but I had to in this instance. All of you people complaining about every little detail of what you hear about AOTC are the very same people that will go see the damn movie 10 times and give it a billion-zillion $$$ at the box-office. "The title sucks"..."N-Sync sucks"..."Jar Jar sucks"...blah, blah, blah. People, get over it. Did I love Phantom Menace? No, it's my third favorite it the series (Jedi is my least). I still saw it 5 times in the theatre, bought the DVD first day - just like all of you. It was a MOVIE! All of you think that Lucas OWES you something. It's his galaxy, his creation - he can do whatever he wants. I agree with that statement that he is doing something nice for his kids. He owes his kids - not you talk backers. Big deal...they will be in the background of a battle scene and hardly noticable. They are huge SW fans. I'll tell you right now, if I were a celebrity and I had the means - you bet your ass I would contact Lucasfilm and beg for a part in the film...ANY part. Stick me in makeup and lay me on the ground under a bantha...I don't care! I just want to be included! It's the same for them. They used their celebrity to be part of their favoirite movie franchise...we would all do the same and you all know it. Are they going to ruin the movie? Hell no! I'll still be first in line to see it. Did Jar Jar ruin the entire movie for me? NO! It is a movie...I don't live and breathe it...I love it just as much as the next guy...but I have a job and a life that prevents me from sitting in line for 5 months. Not that I would if I could. So, in conclusion...George Lucas owes us, tha fans NOTHING! It is his creation and he can do what he likes. If you don't like what he does, don't go see it. But I guarantee I will still see all of you there on opening day! Bukifett has spoken! Now all of you get a life.
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::Tries to wrest Larry's blubbery lips from Lucas's Ass::
Bottom line: Lucas is suffering from organic brain syndrome or dementia created by too many zero's after his net worth.
Thank God Peter Jackson took LOTR seriously. Other than the one groan inducing "Nobody tosses a dwarf" and the stupid dialogue lines that referenced chapter titles, it was better than I could have hoped.
Anybody know when cameras roll on Daredevil and who's Electra?
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Lucas is a genius! You're all bitching and whining now, but you'll change your tune a year from now, when N*Sync is nominated for the newly created Academy Award for Best Cameo in a Sci-Fi Film by a Teeny-Bopper Boy Band. Mark my words!
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Sure, it's OK for you, me, Lucas, and everyone else to want to do condescendingly nice stuff for our sons, daughters, nieces, nephews, deep ones, etc. But the difference is that, unlike Lucas, most of us can't inflict this condescension upon MILLIONS!! If George wants to impress his kids with his power, he can take 'em backstage to concerts, have the band play at his backyard barbecue, whatever. He's crossing the line by forcing everyone else to bear witness to his attempt to compensate for being an insecure dad. (Sorry, George, but after Phantom Menace, not too many people are going to cut you any slack on this one.)
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Jan 04, 2002 4:05:13 PM CST
All you need to do is look at the number of outfit changes by Po
by superninja
Sure, Natalie is gorgeous. Hopefully, her outfits will be enough to distract you from the mind-numbing lack of plot and terrible dialogue. And if Natalie doesn't work, he's got some whiz-bang effects lined up for you. Lucas has learned the modern marketing technique of bait-and-switch. Remember when Star Wars was about an epic struggle of good vs evil? Now it's just about selling sex and violence to the kiddies, like everything else. Dumb, dumb, dumb. If you're going to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for Ewan, who you can tell by interviews truly hates this experience.
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I don't care. 50 years from now we're going to look back at these no doubt classic movies and be reminded of one of lamest of periods ever in music. George Lucas' daughter is a fucking twit. Couldn't that man have raised his kids with some degree of fucking integrity? "Oh, dad, I LOVE N-SYNC!!! You gotta cast 'em!!!" I mean, where's the sense in that?? Does that mean if Peter Jackson's daughter loves Pokemon, it makes sense to toss them in "Lord Of The Rings"?? It's not like the dudes in N-Suck had been publicly BEGGING to be in the film before that, is it?
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Jan 04, 2002 4:29:28 PM CST
I wish Spielberg had done LOTR, I think it would have worked so
by silver_joo
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Well, the uneasy feeling that's been growing inside of me since my first sight of ewoks has now been articulated.............. JMYoda, thanks for convincing me to wait for the video. Your comments, while seemingly endless, perfectly expressed my growing dissatisfaction with the Lucas franchise. I'll save my movie bucks for Spiderman and The Two Towers. And that has absolutely nothing to do with boy bands or Natalie Portman's ass...
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1) If their presense is so brief and insignificant, then why does it matter whether they die or not? 2) If the 'redeeming quality' of the cameo is that they are killed, then why are they only on-screen for a blurry millisecond? Why aren't the deaths emphasized in some way? You can't have it both ways.
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"Hey, it doesn't matter if there's a celebrity cameo by N'Sync, it's just a popcorn movie. Don't take it so seriously." Which is exactly the point. A Star Wars movie shouldn't just be a popcorn movie. The originals were something more than that- they had a conviction that Ep1 and, apparently, Ep2 don't and won't, and that Fellowship (irrelevant though it is to this argument) has in spades. Jackson treated Tolkien's material with more reverence than Lucas is treating HIS OWN DAMN STORY. And that's sad.
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Get bent! You obviously have no idea what you are talking about and are out just to try and insult the man who is not even here to defend himself. I, like many others, saw the promise in the Jackson's career well before Lord of the Rings. Rings is just one chapter in the man's brilliant career. If you don't like Rings fine, leave it at that. But quit criticizing the man's past and future directorial ventures, when you obviously haven't a clue of what you are talking about. For even in his early zombie features, which he wrote, produced, and directed, all on his own, there is a complete love for film which very rarely can be found in any of the big acclaimed Hollywood directors now a day. And Heavenly Creatures was a masterpiece; showing the man's budding talent 10 fold. Forgotten Silver also showed a great deal of creativity and inovation. Another master work of direction. I'd say Peter Jackson was and is well on his to becoming one of the greats. Lord of the Rings is just a drop in the bucket. A very big drop in the bucket... But a drop in the bucket all the same. Peter jackson accomplishes what he wants to accomplish, when he wants to accomplish. He's nobodies lacky. He deserves and he will be forever measured against his own merits. Just because you don't particularly care for some of the genres PJ works within does not give you the expertise to legitimately exploit the man's skills as a director, nor any future he might have.
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Thats funny stuff
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...isn't it?
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But I can't, so fuck NSYNC being in ep2.
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Jan 04, 2002 5:33:34 PM CST
A) SW is not "cool" anymore and B) how effin distracting would a
by greased_wizard
lksdj
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Jan 04, 2002 5:36:24 PM CST
"Fellowship of the Ring" will win BEST PICTURE of the year... A
by bregalad_
End of discussion.
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When I heard Jar-jar was being pushed into a smaller part,I had hope that this movie wouldn't suck.This Nsync news is just so utterly nauseating.George Lucas is just taking an enormous,stinking dump on the whole thing.Instead of a masterpiece,ep 2 is just going to suck enormous,fat,hairy hog balls.Worse than anything that Lucas has done is the apolegetic sell out BS that Hairy and his entire crew has joined in on.This whole thing is just a disaster.Doesn't Hairy have any critical judgement?If Lucas wants to make his daughter happy,he can arrange to have her meet them or buy their whole stinking talentless band.They can play their stupid music and lipsinc while they do their dumbass dance numbers for her at dinner everynight.He should just say to her,"look,you'll understand when you get older that putting these hacks in my movie would just betray my fans and throw everything good and decent right out the window.By the time you are 16 you'll relize that they are just no talent wannabe creations of some music executive."
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so N Sync have a cameo....who really gives ashit, and who is moaning for the sake of it? So they gave them a small xtras role cos they asked for it. That means they are selling out to the tween market?
when The Phantom Menace was being filmed in the UK, Samuel L Jackson was being interviewed on a UK tv show, TFI Friday.(and i was watchin the show) while on the show he asked for a part in TPM. And he got it. he said he would "play a storm trooper, Lando Calrissian's dad, anything, just let me be in it"...his words, not mine. he got a part. WHERE IS THE DIFFERENCE? Jackson is just a little more cool for our adult sensibilities, thats the difference. Grow up, he can give cameo's to every one in lucasfilm and everyone that the teen girls love as far as im concerned.. as long as the film is good. Jackson and WETA have laid down the gauntlet, lets see if it has given Lucas and ILM the kick up the arse many suggested they needed. -
My girlfriend is evil. I told my girlfriend about N'Sync and she said that she also heard about it. I commented, "at least they're not singing," and she replied, "Oh, I read they were." I swear, I was two seconds from committing suicide. Then she started laughing. My girlfriend is evil.
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LOL - Have some fucking perspective folks. Who cares who he casts as extras. If this really bothers you, I highly recomend that you try and get some sort of life. Personally, I just hope that it is a good movie.
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LOL - Have some fucking perspective folks. Who cares who he casts as extras. If this really bothers you, I highly recomend that you try and get some sort of life. Personally, I just hope that it is a good movie.
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...in that counting all you Star Wars bashers/complainers/whiners and otherwise irksome collective pools of void... there are probably only about 400-500 of you at any one time on these talkback boards. That leaves an estimated 280-320 million U.S. residents free to enjoy AOTC without having to endure the mindless misspelling, vapid criticism, and shoddy reasoning that I, an actual movie lover, is forced to wallow in every time I search this site for new information regarding the most beloved movie series in my lifetime. All of those people who "hated" Ep. 1 still managed to push its domestic take to 483 million or so... making it the third highest grossing film OF ALL TIME. A feat which, sadly, The Fellowship of the Ring does not appear to be up to matching. (Don't rely on my own years of industry scorekeeping though... consult boxofficemojo.com or Variety or internal studio forecasts...as I have... if you want to play the numbers game. Estimated take based on the weekend percentage drops to date... just slightly above 300-350 million domestic. Which is terrific, sure... but it's also not 483. Just an observation.)Bottom line... I'm tired of you gutless losers saying stupid things that portend doom for a movie I'm really looking forward to. You have the right to post your asinine comments... but I've finally had it up to here. When I walk out of a theater on May 16-17, I'm hoping I have just as much fun as I did watching Ep. 1, or Fellowship, or The Matrix or any one of a thousand movies that have ENTERTAINED me in my lifetime. Because isn't that, ultimately, why we go? And I probably will. I'm biased. I happen to like Star Wars. A lot. Jar Jar, Ewoks, and NSync cameos be damned... they're well-made, flashy, exciting adventure tales. I've enjoyed them since 1977... and I'm sad there won't be any more after 2005 or so. Give it a rest... those of you who don't agree with me... for the other 300 million souls out there who just might have a good time this summer after all... in a galaxy far, far away.
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Considering your insults are based on non-truths, here's a somethin' for ya, and it goes a little somthing like this: For one, I'm not fat (I play Outside Hitter on my college volleyball team.. but, hey, my hairy lesbian coach says 500-lb role-playing porkmonsters need a place in volleyball, too! Oh wait, nobody says that! *pimpslap #1*) 2: I love Star Wars (old school) ten times more than LOTR.. so where are your arguments now, boy? *Pimpslap 2: Electric Boogaloo* --- Where's Mr. Big Man now, huh? Bring it! UNGH! UNGH! Suck the puss, bitch 'cause you been SCHOOLED, SUCKA!! LOL *WHIP-TASH*... I feel dizzy.
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am i wrong or did you just parallel the Beatles with *NSYNC?...dear god...
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if i wanted to listen to bible thumping masquerading as music id lsiten to stryper..To Hell With The Devil!!!!! (Yeah, i know they suck, but most of you know the song im talking about...)
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Whee! A voice of reason!! Thank you to Harry and to the Dude for at least *trying* to show people that this is NOT the end of the world. 'NSYNC are 5 little fanboys living their dream. To me, it will be a better movie for that fact.
To all those people *freaking out*--if you had the chance to do the SAME THING, tell me you wouldn't hurl your trash-talking selves blithely into the fray, hoping to be Jedi who die at George Lucas's hands. Yeah.
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What is everyone bitching about? We get to see Jango Fett kill N'Sync!...I'd pay good money to see that.
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Lucas: Hey guys, why don't we have some more crazy cameos in this film?
"Dude" McCallum and ILM: SURE GEORGE!!
Lucas: yeah, i think we should film a walking shit in the background, hey and lets put a singing dancing ET band in the background, steve will love that.
"Dude" McCallum and ILM: That is awesome!!!! the man is a genius!
Lucas: Nysync are in it, and i'm thinking of putting, kermit the fucking frog in too, i mean the fans will love that, doesnt serve any purpose to the story mind, but hey its just another crazy star wars movie!
"Dude" McCallum and ILM: way to go george! (start taking notes)
Lucas: and remember! audiences are so dumb, we just have to have the stupidest, dumbest motherfucking story, because they like anything these days. hey and then i'm gonna rerelease another edition of star wars with new crazy aliens in, and everyone will go buy it again!!
"Dude" McCallum and ILM: Thats great!! (thinks) even more dollars for us.
Lucas: leaves room.
"Dude" McCallum: I think he's lost the plot this time.
ILM: yea, don't tell him though, we might get fired.
you see, i've given in guys, i can't take it anymore, star wars is ruined, its more like a fucking soap opera!!
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would anyone hear it? 'Cause it looks like the Star Wars fans want to boycott the theatres...
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I wonder if there is any possible way we can bring a lawsuit against Lucas for ruining our childhood?..(LOL)...Regardless, NYNSNC's appearance really seals the coffin for me. But instead of getting mad, I'll get even. My goal is to make the best damn animated Sci-Fi flick ever made. My motivation...George Lucas, who is surely making Joseph Cambell turn in his grave...So in a way, thanks George for being such an asshole, because it is up to us truly creative people to do the job right. I will make a film with substance and depth, that is much better than this crap he has fed us for the last 20 plus years...Remember this title...Ascension and remember this name, Hal Hefner. I will make everyone who feels the way I do proud...I promise...and I will do it for you people who believe that art is sacred and that creativity is to be cherished, not sold to the highest bidder....This site rocks..and so does everybody who casts their opinion on it...
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There's just so much wrong with all this, I can't even put it into words. This is worse than the flavor of the month routines of the Batman films.
It's obvious that these new films that carry the name Star Wars but really aren't have become the next Batman, so to speak.
I guess we're going to have the "flavor of the month" put through in each of these films. That's the way those Batman films were: Val Kilmer, George Clooney, Jim Carrey, Arnold, Nicole Kidman...the list goes on.
It started with Ewan McGregor and Natalie Portman in part 1...and Samuel Jackson ?!?!
Now, we're going to have a boy band in for cameos in part 2?!
Granted, they are going to be probably just speechless extras, but this just is...ludicrous.
We have to have NSync in here to attract the teeny boppers in to see this movie.
I had enough of that with LOTR when I had two girls sitting next to me and all they could comment on was how "$#@%ing hot" Legolas and Aragon were. That's all these twits could take with them out of a film like that?! Why were they were even there in the first place? I could go on and make some really unkind remarks...but I will let you all figure it out for yourselves.
Now, we're looking at having droves of...those...coming to see this film just for the handful of seconds (I hope that's all) that they're favorite band is in the movie? I can already here the bleating and squealing now.
I agree with Ben...I hope Fett or some of his cronies do them in well. I wish their "characters" cool, bloody, horrible deaths.
Wait a minute! I just got a great idea!
We could have...Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock play associates of Jango Fett! (Yes, this is Boba Fett's father)
Wrestling is really popular these days and that will also attract more people into the theater!
The Rock just has finished shooting The Scorpion King and already did The Mummy Returns a couple of years ago....he's also recorded a song, so we're back to the music again! The Rock is a proven, multi-talented commodity! Even Stone Cold has been in a couple of TV episodes of several shows. We'll have a nice theme going here!
Why don't we go ahead and have Britney Spears and Jennifer Lopez in this movie too? They can be the chamber maids/ best friends with the princess! We can then have a nice, musical "theme" for this film.
Instead of having John Williams come back and score it...heck...you have all the musical talent you need right here.
Look! We have N'Sync, Rock, Stone Cold, Britney AND J-Lo! It's better than a Super Bowl halftime show! Damn, I am looking forward to this! We better get a cool fight scene for Rock and Stone Cold! Britney and J-Lo had better be showing off plenty of flesh, too! Yeah, we'll pack in the crowds for sure!!
(BTW...If I hear anything but Williams music at the end credits, so help me if I hear ANY song come up..I will scream.)
It's clear that the idea this film is going to be some kind of quasi "chick flick" where TPM was the "kiddie film" is showing more merit.
I knew from the trailers that we were going to get the "love story" thing thrown at us. I am still bracing for having to sit through those painful to watch scenes of them getting all lovey-dovey walking along the water. These two kids can't act their way out of a paper bag. This IS supposed to be the guy that's going to be DARTH VADER!!
Bottom line: The flaw with this new breed is this: The original Star Wars films were made as good science fiction/fairytales for EVERYONE to enjoy. This has not been the case with this new breed. First we had to market the kiddies, now we're going to market the teeny boppers and more "women." That's pretty insulting because I know plenty of 'normal' and intelligent women of all ages who love the Star Wars Trilogy as much any guy. None of this BS was necessary.
I really am about to just write this thing off and not bother with it. Everyone knows notoriously how much I hated Phantom Menace. Note my deliberate way of not referring to it as a Star Wars movie. I never have. I never will.
All this just shows us that Lucas has completely lost his vision and will do anything to try and grub an extra dollar. This really is shameless. Whatever the "reason" or "motivation" was for making this happen... all I have to say is "yuck." -
I read this news when it was first posted here, in the evening here in wintry England, and I posted a few times and went to bed. When my radio alarm went off yesterday morning guess what news greeted me in my sleep-drenched semi-wakefulness "N'Sync to be Jedi Knights! Yes, members of the band have confirmed that they will be briefly appearing in the new Star Wars movie..." and as I lay there, much as I already knew it was true from the night before, it sounded weird. Like something I was dreaming. It doesn't sound *right*. It sounds like something out of some bizarre acid trip. There's no point banging on about this, so I'll just set out my stall and get out of everyone's hair - publicised celebrity cameos (and this had been in ALL the news, in everything, so it is publicised) are a bullshit distraction, especially in a science fantasy film which is supposed to be divorced from pop culture (they work better in things like Austin Powers, say). I don't know if they'd *dare* cut the band now, after all the noise that's been made. In marketing speak (and I'm with Bill Hicks on this one - if you work in marketing: kill yourself) this is called cross-branding. You use one brand to push another to the benefit of both. If both brands are owned by the same conglomerate (which frequently happens nowadays) then the same people make a shitload of money. Now as much as this is being pushed as a heartwarming story of pleasing privileged children and lucky but non-talented musicians, that's not my perception. It's on the radio, on the internet, all over the show. It's part of the marketing. Now, I do not believe that George Lucas does, or even *should*, make movies for his fans. (Unlike Peter Jackson, who was adapting a well-beloved piece of literature, but even then there has to be a point where you say "no".)If you made stuff just for your fans, your vision would become dissipated and sterile. Fans can't agree on what they want anyway. So, screw the fans. In the nicest possible way. However, the world of the movie's content and art (putting pretty pictures on a screen is nominally art, the last time I heard) and the world of the movie's marketing are spheres which should not be colliding. This whole marketing thing is presented (in an interesting though ultimately flawed way) in Naomi Klein's book "No Logo". Klein maintains that the conglomerates that own retail and media are trying to brand popular culture. N'Sync, whose work I am not particularly familiar with, do not write their own music, and their primary job is to be Non-Threatening Males for their pre-pubescent female audience. They are a brand. Putting them in the movie is product placement, of the sort they can get away with in Star Wars, where cans of Pepsi and cups of Starbuck's mocha would be rather noticeable. And this sort of thing has become endemic in all sorts of movies to the point where we don't register it now. Ten years ago, we'd've gone nuts over it. My take is that people are annoyed because while it may very well be endemic in shit Hollywood system movies now, it was *not* expected to rear its head in Star Wars. On the other hand, Lucas has shown before that he is not shy of "selling out", to use the emotive term. I am thinking of the Holiday Special, which had more dated celebrities in it than you could shake a stick at. In the end, I'm happy for those people that are happy with it, and who don't feel it will compromise their viewing experience. To me, the whole thing is not life-threatening but distresses me in a cynical, world-weary way. And that is not the mind set I should be taking into a Star Wars movie. But you know, the ardent defenders are right. These are kiddie films now - proper kiddie films in the way that the dark, angst-soaked ESB wasn't (ESB if almost LOTR in its presentation of a dark, malevolent evil that will happily, cheerfully FUCK YOU UP if it gets the chance), they do not meet my adult escapist needs and to look to them for that (though the first two still take me out of it) is perhaps naive of me. It's time to jump off, or at least recognised that I'm being pushed. Well, that's my feeling. Others may feel differently.
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Yup its over. My sister is a big fan of Nsync and I dont hate their music but its just time for POP to say goodbye. 2002 will be the DEATH of POP. Pink,Britney,BSB,Otown,Nsync people will not go ANOTHER year listenign to them. Nsyncs new video is crap they dont even dance in it.Its like a bad hip hop video. Britneys new movie will be the death of her. pink isnt even PINK anymore she chanegd her hair to blonde meaning she sold out on her look just to be commercial. Does anyone even care about Christina Aguilera anymore? Michael Jackson can barely sell his record. And the BSB are to old already. Nick is appearing in his brothers videos which are really annoying. Thank god POP is over and done with. 2002 is a new year for music. Bye Bye Bye to POP!
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Jan 04, 2002 8:33:20 PM CST
I like that guy blowing his nose in the background of that first
by hktelemacher
Classy
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Damn N*SYNC. I could care less about whether Justin Timberlake gets to shag Britney Spears, or NSYNC members having sex with horny underage teenage girls. Britney Spears will SUCK in Crossroads and Eminem will SUCK in 8 Mile. Please, no more badly written movies starring popular pop stars who simply can't act! What the HELL is the point of posting blatant GAP advertisement involving the idiot Lance Bass squeezing the arms of two little fatface girls? On the Line has already bombed at the BO (proving teen girls didn't turn out in Titanic-like droves) and if it's well-confirmed that NSYNC will appear for a mere nanosecond in Star Wars then it shouldn't bother me too much, since Episode I (and for that matter, bad CGI and political revision in SE Trilogy ) already undermine, nay, destroyed the original SW franchise for what it is: overall thrilling fun factor, revolutionary special effects, flesh and blood characters (despite cheesy one-liners) and the plot that harken back to Flash Gordon and cheesy sci-fi movies of the 50's (I'm sure George Lucas was influenced by many literal sources). That said, I'm not a die-hard Star Wars fan as I once was when I was a teeny-weeny kid. Now only if there's the X-rated version of Episode II with Anakin exposing and fondling Queen Padme's rosebud breasts and sucking her erect nipple as she moans and having anal sex with her since the power of Padme's gorgeously shaped ass overpowered Anakin's mind and turns to the dark side of hedonistic lust and pornography.
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I don't know if I should bother posting this since it'll probably just get lost amid the hundreds of other posts but here goes. Why does Yoda have to fight in a physical way? He's just not very suited to wielding a lightsaber, which in the picture looks like it's twice the length of his body.
His mind is where he has the most strength. He lifted Luke's ship out of the mud in "Empire" so he could probably easily control several lightsabers at one and direct them telekinetically. I think that would make more sense than having him fight physically and they could still use the puppet rather than the CGI which probably won't look as good. Also, it would probably be kinda cool to see all these lightsabers
flying through the air hacking up his attackers while he just sits there calmly. Just my two cents. -
Jan 04, 2002 8:50:41 PM CST
N Suck can only justify their loathsome presence in AOTC if..
by crazy fresh dj
..they challenge the enemy to a dance-off showdown. They take it in turns to lay down some bad moves and outdo their opponents, not unlike the video for Run DMC's 'It's Like That'. Then, and only then, they can then be excecuted for the worthless little nob jockeys they are
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I could care less about the N'Stynk thing, but after watching "The Love" trailer I know this movie is going to be horrible, Unless he cuts out everything that was in that trailer, especially the "Im going to be the most powerful jedi ever". God, it sounds like an episode from one of those shows on the WB.
Of course I will watch AOTC, but my heart is with LOTR which PJ already proved to me is going to be a great trilogy. GL has not. Im pulling for a good AOTC movie, but Im not going to be excited about it beforehand. -
Natalies "rear view"
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Maybe Obi-Wan could break into song with NSync and Padme could start dancing around in her underwear just like in Moulin Rouge! I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't mind seeing her in her underwear either way.
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Its the FACT that there IN it and there WHO THEY ARE! Sure if McCullen met two guys who were hanging around in Austrailia who were fans and said "Hey wanna be extras?" It'd be fine but to BLATENLY let two WELL KNOWN "POP" sensations be extras in movie that SHOULD HAVE NOTHING to do with POP music is total bullshit. That's the truth Harry, no matter how much you try and spin this NSYNC thing as not being bad it TRUELY IS.
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Maybe its me, but personally I believe the fans are killing Star Wars. Why, you ask? Because your all a bunch of nitpicking, hypocritical, live in your momma's basements 30 year old virgins! None of you could deny that you would give anything to have a cameo in the holy trilogies. And if any of you had the ability to make a second long appearance in the background you would take it in a second. Does the *Nsync second long cameo change the kick ass story? NO. Its just that a fucking cameo. Did anyone holler when ET made an appearance? No. Or when Rick McCallum and Ben Burrt had a second long none speaking appearance, or Mark Hamill's son, or the sound guy as Bib Fortuna, or John Knoll as the dead pilot? No!!!! So should a second long appearnce of three boy band members stop you from seeing an amazing movie? If it does, you are sadder than I thought. Appreciate the Star Wars movie for being a Star Wars movie, love it for the action the adventure, the excitment, watch it because you enjoy Fuck Nsync I don't care. God I would give anything to be a Jedi! So would you. Go cry to your mommas and fall asleep in a tub of ice cream like you do every night, and wake up the next morning from a wet dream about the girl you sat behind in chemistry class and GET OVER IT! Losers.
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Okay, all you fans, non-fans and "Chubbsy Ubsy"(that would be Harry) please shut the hell up! What a bunch of idiots! First, no one has seen the film (certainly not roundboy)- it ain't even done yet! These N'Stink guys are EXTRAS in the film- EXTRAS! If this story hadn't come out chances are no one would have ever noticed! Losers!
Second- they most likely croak in the film! If you think they suck, what's the problem?
Finally, and MOST IMPORTANT, those who have been the most vocal about all this must be closet homos! I couldn't identify a member of N'Sync if I HAD TO! Those who have been bitching (like Harry and other addleminded dorks) must have a greater knowledge and passion of boy bands than they'd like to admit! It would take a teen-age girl or a flaming queer to pick out these guys in the background in a huge crowd/battle scene!
The most important thing is that STAR WARS is back- and back on track! The "Mystery" DVD trailer was incredible and shows a film that recaptures the magic of the original "STAR WARS"- the one way back in '77. George Lucas rules! -
Jan 04, 2002 10:19:27 PM CST
WHY THIS IS AN ABOMINATION...AND WHY THE DUDE IS WRONG (though I
by thomasmagnum pi
Ok, I post every so often with long tirades, but my PI caseload is currently light in Hawaii so here's my opinion, if anyone cares. I can appreciate the caring and emotional appeal that the Dude is making about Fathers and Daughters. However, taking it a step further, I won't limit it there. If THAT'S going to be the rational behind his argument... that is, if he's going to talk about this "special bond"... then I think it's only fair to extend it to fathers AND mothers, daughters AND sons. The notion of parents (of EITHER sex) loving their children and wanting to give them something -- a special present, a treasured memory, something of that sort -- is admirable on all counts. There's no debate there. The world would be a better place if more parents acted on those feelings. ************ ON THE OTHER HAND (throat clearing cough) let's have a reality check about THIS particular situation. Speaking as a Joe Average guy, if I wanted to impress my little niece, for example (who's also an N'SYNC fan) and give her this same extravagant gift (ie. arranging for her to meet N'Sync) the odds of it happening would be pretty slim. Now, don't get me wrong -- I'm not bemoaning that fact. I'm sure I can find other things to make her smile. But what I am saying is on the OPPOSITE end of the scale, George Lucas IS famous enough that he COULD arrange for N'Sync to meet his daughter and give her this amazing gift as a doting father. (In fact, as I recall, didn't N'Sync ALREADY attend a celebrity premiere that was held on the Ranch for TPM? I seem to recall seeing them on something like MTV amongst the guests back when they covered the event.) So in terms of what the Dude is saying, Lucas could STILL have been a god to his daughter by inviting them up and letting his daughter meet them. And if they're as big Star Wars fans as the media is reporting, I'm sure they would have taken him up on the offer. I'm sure if they're truly fans they would've jumped at the chance for a tour of the Ranch or to see AOTC being filmed firsthand. So basically, there was NEVER really a problem for both sides to meet, or for George to make his daughter happy. And conversely, if nothing else, I'm sure with his show business connections George could've taken his daughter to one of their concerts and arranged to meet them backstage. *********** So the bottom line is REALLY this: why do WE as the general movie going public (and the core Star Wars fan base) have to be subjected to this? Why do WE have to share in Little Miss Lucas's moment? I mean, what, did she actually get up one day and say to George "Daddy, I not only want to meet N'Sync, but I ALSO want them to be in the movie so EVERYONE has to watch them TOO"? I mean, did she actually make THAT request? Hell, if this went beyond a desire to just meet them (that is, she actually wanted to see them AS Jedi, as part of her whole N'Sync fantasy) then for all the money that he possesses, Lucas could have shot the N'SYNC boys in costume and inserted their scene into AOTC and given his daughter THAT ONE COPY (on tape or a pressed DVD) and simply said "Here you go, honey, you're now the ONLY one with this." Now, I ask you, wouldn't THAT have been even MORE special as gift from a loving father to a daughter? Giving her a true one-of-a-kind item that she could cherish? Which brings us right back to the burning question: gift to his daughter aside, why the hell does Lucas think ALL OTHER STAR WARS FANS want to see this? Or be subjected to it? *********** Making his daughter's dream come true is admirable and loving, but it's ALSO something he could have done without imposing it on THE REST OF THE WORLD FOR TIME IMMORTAL, given that Star Wars is CLEARLY something so many people love. The truth is, despite wanting to please his daughter, what Lucas SHOULD be more concerned about is the final film. As a piece of filmmaking, as freaking Episode 2 in a saga a few million people actually care about. Lucas has achieved what many artists dream of. He's created something, a piece of art, that millions embraced and now it feels like he just wants to piss on us BECAUSE we embraced it. What Lucas SHOULD be concerned about is making it good and not slipping in some teenage intellect-level "in" joke that's not even an "in" joke any more because NOW the whole world DOES know about it. In that regard, HARRY was somewhat right. If the N'Sync boys had secretly participated in a crowd scene and we NEVER found out, THEN it would be an ok gag. But now that it's out...uh uh, sorry, nada...no, it's not. ********** I think I speak for many posting here in anger (and just about everywhere else, for that matter) that I don't want to be watching AOTC in a dark theater... emotionally getting myself lost in the final fight... only to be jarred OUT of the movie by some 13-year-old girl sitting behind me squealing "THERE'S JUSTIN AND JOEY! OH, GOD, THEY'RE SO CUTE!" Sorry, but that WILL ruin the movie for me and I dare say, in an open condemnation aimed at Lucas, it'll ruin the movie for many Star Wars fans. Even just KNOWING they're mixed in there now makes me dread watching the final fight scene. I can ALREADY tell that when I'm watching the movie and the action starts, I'll have them popping up in the back of my head. And, George, if you're listening or you have one iota of concern for the fans, you should realize how much this fleeting cameo STINKS. It's a BAD IDEA. To quote Jeff Goldblum from THE LOST WORLD "This idea is the worst idea in the history of bad ideas." ********* I'd LIKE to think that Lucas hasn't totally lost his instincts or filmmaking edge and he DOES care about these last 2 films, but I'm quickly coming to the conclusion (and I say this as a lifelong fan and supporter) that all he cares about now is putting N'SYNC in as a promotional tool. This story that's going around that it was Rick McCullum who invited them to the set is a crock. I'm going with the earlier "daughter story" as the REAL truth. I think Lucasfilm publicity is simply trying to sell the media and the public on the revised McCullum story to take the heat off Little Miss Lucas, I'm sure at the insistance of George since even he must now how much bad press and ill will this news has generated. And as a protective -- and yes, good father - he doesn't want the press or the fans to now be openly hostile towards his daughter. ********** Since I'm typing this long post, my other REAL fear is that this is only the tip of the iceberg. That bubbling underneath are plans for something even MORE insipid like N'SYNC "earned" their cameo in exchange for agreeing to record the official "Anakin and Padme love song" that will be placed on the soundtrack or possibly run over the end credits, since AOTC is clearly being marketed as the Titanic-love story-like episode. Sheesh, how God awful would that be...to get to the end credits and NOT hear John Williams score, but instead be subjected to these 5 warbling some Celine Dion-like song? My fear is that Lucas (and to a degree, "yes man" McCullum) are now only interested in seeing what marketing tricks they can pull to get butts in theater seats come May. THAT'S why N'SYNC was invited in. Because George mistakenly thought "Gee, my daughter likes them so ALL teenage girls will come to see the movie because of them." ********* What? You think they brought N'Sync to the set, costumed them, filmed them, and it's only going to last ONE SECOND on the screen, the way Lucasfilm publicity is claiming? No way. That's utter bullshit. Even if the story is true that it's them running and then getting blasted by a Battle Droid, we're talking SEVERAL seconds of screen time, certainly enough screen time so a 13-year-old girl sitting behind me will have enough time to spot them. And speaking as someone who has enjoyed collecting the toys over the years, I don't even want to think about N'Sync Star Wars jedi figures. Dear God, even as the words ran out of my brain and down to my fingers, just TYPING that make my stomach churn. It sounds like some lame-ass Barbie cross-promotional item...which is EXACTLY what this is targeted to become. And you KNOW they'll market these 5 figures to capitalize on N'Sync...how God awful is the thought of 5 Jedi figures you interconnect the bases on so they dance together or something? You almost have to wonder if in the back of Lucas's and McCallum's heads they aren't already counting on that toy revenue. ********** So I say to the Dude, love your daughters and to all other parents out there, love your daughters AND sons, too. Mr. Lucas, love your adopted children, dote on them and be the good father you've apparently been. But DON'T take and jeopardize the Star Wars films over some marketing ploy that's SOOOOOOO transparent everyone on the world is already snickering at it. Make Episode 2 as good as you can, and for God's sakes, listen to the pleas of the fans and cut this moment OUT of the film. However, the same way you love your daughter show the fans who've given you their hard earned money for over 20 YEARS a little bit of respect TOO. Thank you.
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Jan 04, 2002 10:22:24 PM CST
who cares that in n'sync is in it......did i see the preview
by emptyspaces21
its not like n'sync can make it worse......this movie is gonna make phantom menace look like a masterpiece and phantom menace SUCKS BALLLS...........lucas=crap
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Jan 04, 2002 10:45:08 PM CST
Thank you God for Your Wonderful Work in Making Lord Of The Ring
by atalanta
I considered myself a great fan of the Star Wars Trilogy. I still have the toys, I still have the lunch boxes, I even have the Trivial Persuit Game. It's a damn shame that all of it is currently being replaced with Lord of The Rings merchandise. Tough Break Lucas!
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__It kind of seems like the tantrum-like-hysteria of this TB is subsiding so it's cool to see a rational decent post. I think you make a good point about Lucas's thought process's behind his new films, up to a point. I don't think he was conciously trying to nuke the competion, but moreover to be much more ambitious in his original conception of the SW universe. I mean, I don't know if you've read his bio but the man has a real fascination for experimental cinema, it's what he liked to see himself producing as a filmaker (check out Mishima - it's co-produced by Lucas,twice as mad,and quite sublime).I think SW for Lucas is a kind of a guilty pleasure, harkening back to his kiddie love of sappy sci-fi serials - and maybe he lucked out with Star Wars in one way, but it's shadowed him as a filmaker ever since. So maybe with TPM he thought he could make something grander and richer to the OT but maybe retain the elements of entertainment that SW had, - cos that's where I differ with you Bamf, like em or loathe em, things like Jar-Jar or the pod race commentator ARE there as dumbed down entertainment devices ( perhaps Lucas did find them genuinly hilarious ). Me - I don't give a shit, I got (almost) the same buzz from watching TPM as I did as a 7 year old squirt watching Star Wars first time round. Maybe Lucas has become a victim to himself, it's his right to fail if that's what people feel, though I'd willingly bet my nutsack that he's entertained and inspired more folk than any of the bitching fuck stains on this TB.___ Finally - to Harry - mucho kudos to you big guy for your ever wise and civil perspective, - cos that's what this N'sync hysteria needs to quieten down the retards at the back.
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maybe the dust han't settled quite yet :\
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Jan 04, 2002 11:41:14 PM CST
Just to clear it up, Rick McCullum is NOT a real producer, he is
by jettison
In a standard Hollywood movie, the producers hire the directors and are the main shit.
Rick doesn't have the authority to put extra mayo on his sandwich without first checking in with Sir George. So any bullshit about Rick setting this N'Stync mess up and George having little or no knowledge about it is RIDICULOUS. George slapped Rick on the ass and said "Go make it happen bitch" and Rick went a-runnin'. -
That's Natalie's double. We've seen that picture before here, guys.
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What amazing performances by the entire cast of Peter Jackson's FOTR. Sir Ian McKellan gives an oscar-worthy performance. Ian Holm is perfect as Bilbo (I don't know if he had enough screen time to get nominated, but he would get my vote). Everyone was just about perfect for their roles, down to the extras. Rosie the Hobbit was hot, and I hope we see her again in ROTK, but I digress. The effective casting and performances play a vital role in creating a mythical world on screen that is convincing. The artistic vision of the director(or lack of one) is reflected in who he choses to play each role.
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Jan 05, 2002 12:01:06 AM CST
i hope you all realize that every ticket sold is another conferm
by i won't see aotc
show a little restraint. don't see a movie that's stupid just because it has some cool looking stuff in it. that's why so many movies are so stupid. help to fix this by not letting them insult you're intelligence like they did with TPM. we can bitch all we want but if we keep on giving them money, they'll keep on making movies with stupid plots.
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I admit, being a lover of the Star Wars series all my life, (literally, being 25 it's been there my entire life) my heartcracked open like a roten plum when I saw rumor headers like "NSYNC in Star Wars" I said to myself, that's it, it's over. There is no way anything in the movie, no matter how cool can overcome this horrible nightmare that Lucas' daughter planted into the series like a Taliban flunkie.
But a light at the end of the tunnel my friends. It's only a CAMEO. Background jedi that die in what may be a drak and utterly cool moment. Jedi falling left and right!!! Does this mean that Lucas won't shy away from the fall of the Jedi but show it to us in all it's downbeat ESB-like glory?
They probably will hardly be noticed, lingering in the background. That I can live with.
Seriously folks, it isn't like they are going to stop in the middle of the Jedi Temple and break into song while Yoda breakdances and Mace Windu makes rap sounds with his mouth and hands. They aren't performing a ROTJ Jabba's palace style song.
Because I promise you that if they do I'll stan up with the rest of you and declare that Lucas has lost his mind.
So cheer up, crisis averted...
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I admit, being a lover of the Star Wars series all my life, (literally, being 25 it's been there my entire life) my heartcracked open like a roten plum when I saw rumor headers like "NSYNC in Star Wars" I said to myself, that's it, it's over. There is no way anything in the movie, no matter how cool can overcome this horrible nightmare that Lucas' daughter planted into the series like a Taliban flunkie.
But a light at the end of the tunnel my friends. It's only a CAMEO. Background jedi that die in what may be a drak and utterly cool moment. Jedi falling left and right!!! Does this mean that Lucas won't shy away from the fall of the Jedi but show it to us in all it's downbeat ESB-like glory?
They probably will hardly be noticed, lingering in the background. That I can live with.
Seriously folks, it isn't like they are going to stop in the middle of the Jedi Temple and break into song while Yoda breakdances and Mace Windu makes rap sounds with his mouth and hands. They aren't performing a ROTJ Jabba's palace style song.
Because I promise you that if they do I'll stan up with the rest of you and declare that Lucas has lost his mind.
So cheer up, crisis averted...
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I admit, being a lover of the Star Wars series all my life, (literally, being 25 it's been there my entire life) my heartcracked open like a roten plum when I saw rumor headers like "NSYNC in Star Wars" I said to myself, that's it, it's over. There is no way anything in the movie, no matter how cool can overcome this horrible nightmare that Lucas' daughter planted into the series like a Taliban flunkie.
But a light at the end of the tunnel my friends. It's only a CAMEO. Background jedi that die in what may be a drak and utterly cool moment. Jedi falling left and right!!! Does this mean that Lucas won't shy away from the fall of the Jedi but show it to us in all it's downbeat ESB-like glory?
They probably will hardly be noticed, lingering in the background. That I can live with.
Seriously folks, it isn't like they are going to stop in the middle of the Jedi Temple and break into song while Yoda breakdances and Mace Windu makes rap sounds with his mouth and hands. They aren't performing a ROTJ Jabba's palace style song.
Because I promise you that if they do I'll stan up with the rest of you and declare that Lucas has lost his mind.
So cheer up, crisis averted...
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I admit, being a lover of the Star Wars series all my life, (literally, being 25 it's been there my entire life) my heartcracked open like a roten plum when I saw rumor headers like "NSYNC in Star Wars" I said to myself, that's it, it's over. There is no way anything in the movie, no matter how cool can overcome this horrible nightmare that Lucas' daughter planted into the series like a Taliban flunkie.
But a light at the end of the tunnel my friends. It's only a CAMEO. Background jedi that die in what may be a drak and utterly cool moment. Jedi falling left and right!!! Does this mean that Lucas won't shy away from the fall of the Jedi but show it to us in all it's downbeat ESB-like glory?
They probably will hardly be noticed, lingering in the background. That I can live with.
Seriously folks, it isn't like they are going to stop in the middle of the Jedi Temple and break into song while Yoda breakdances and Mace Windu makes rap sounds with his mouth and hands. They aren't performing a ROTJ Jabba's palace style song.
Because I promise you that if they do I'll stan up with the rest of you and declare that Lucas has lost his mind.
So cheer up, crisis averted...
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Someday, maybe, just maybe, Lucas's spawn will have manipulated just enough of their own cloned minds to be ashamed of their father and the mockery he makes of his life. And by his spawn I mean all his pawns.
stuntrocker OUT! GoodBye NOW!
Game OVER. Insert COIN.
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If you didn't know that the extras were *NSYNC, would any of you even care?
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Jan 05, 2002 12:33:18 AM CST
JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE HAS A BEER AND CHEETS ON THE BACKSTREET BOYS
by turd ferguson
Oh, good God. You know where this is heading now. Come Episode Three, we're going to discover ol' George "I have no neck" Lucas' daughter is a huge Backstreet Boy fan so they'll be in it, as well as Shaggy, O-Town, Dreamstreet, 98 Degrees. Hell, they'll probably cast Freddie Prinze, Jr. as a young Grand Moff Tarkin, Sarah Michelle Gellar as Mon Mothma and Joshua Jackson as a senior Jedi Council official.
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He's been living up in those friggin' woods for too long!
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i'm sick of it all... they can all go to hell together for all I care
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ok- the first pic on here is funny- the one with nsync guy wth the dudes kids- cuz there is a guy in the back ground covering his mouth- he even smells the stinch from this nsync guy - cuz they stink.....ne ways- lucas should of did exactly what harry did for his sis with mutant turtles- he should of got his kids a backstage pass to an nsync concert instead of puttin them in his film...what a fucker- he knew this would piss of starwars fans.....so he doesnt care about us.......it shows......i mean shit.....even if his kids liked No doubt...or Staind....or System of a down....etc....i still wouldnt want to see em in the movie.......hell....why couldnt his kids like gwar...at least it they would fit in
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I really think that it's because it's so damn hard to put up a Talkback that we get all these rediculously long, unmercifully pompous posts. I have to go look up my password every time, and thus never post. I was gonna skip it this time, but Harry's Die Hard animation caught my eye (so cool!), and I decided to go for it.
Guys. Hombres. COMPADRES. Star Wars has NEVER been about anything except entertainment. Star Wars has NEVER been about acting, and never will. Star Wars has and only will be about having FUN.
Bamf! - if you had any idea how much like a pretentious child you sound, you'd be well to get in a few fistfights for their own merit. Seriously, anyone on these boards who thinks their posts are important enough to need a written exit sound needs to get a grip on their own importance.
ewem - you complain about the children who say Legolas and Aragorn are "too hot", but then you complain about movies inviting in only popular figures?! What exactly IS the point you're trying to make? The "reason" or "motivation" for making this all happen is that the movie is supposed to be a good time. Any other interpretation proves that you... need... a life. Full stop.
I didn't read anyone else's post because TalkBack these days makes me want to find a virtual tower and a literal rifle. "OH... NSYNC IN 3/4 A SECOND OF THE MOVIE SEALS THE COFFIN FOR ME!!! I CAN'T LIVE!!!"
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Mr. Garrison: Ok class, today we're going to discuss George Lucas putting the boys from N'SYNC in a scene that will last one-tenth of a second. L33T4LKB4K3R_45: OH NO, LUCAS BRING TEH BOY BAND! LIFE IS OV3R!!! Mr. Garrison: Ok class, can someone less stupid give an opinion?
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What is with the hostility towards Geekdom, we ain't never done nothing to you! Oh, and for the record, Star Wars was always piss poor with Lucas doing more than standing on set pointing. ANH is as weak as TPM. Are you gonna slap me too?
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Mark the time when you heard this news. That's it for us. All us Star Wars loving, Atari 2600 playing, Reagan "Morning In America" kids... it was a fun ride, but it's over now. Sigh.
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When I first heard about this I was pissed, when I heard that it was such a small part and they get killed I was like
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When I first heard about this I was pissed, when I heard that it was such a small part and they get killed I was like
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The Talkback list is all fucked up again! Harry! FIX IT!
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Jan 05, 2002 12:12:01 PM CST
Flashback 1977 ! Partridge Family to have cameo in new space sag
by jaguart
Word has it that America's family singing sensation with play farmers on Tatooine. The Monkees will also play Stormtroopers. There's also a rumor that the Bee Gees or Bay City Rollers may have a brief scene but get killed off right away....Peter Frampton to have walk-on....Donna Summer to appear as intergalactic bartender....Simon & Garfunkel to appear as Jedi Masters...
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Everything they touch turns to shit.
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i would gladly cut off three toes and 2 fingers for the chance to fuck that ass raw... i'd like to slip my erect penis ever so roughly into her rectum...
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As an admitted LOTR geek I know this is unforgivable, but I finally got around to seeing the movie last night. Hey, what can I say, I was on call in the hospital the night it came out, and all kinds of shit are going on making LOTR, as great as it is, kind of second priority. Anyway, I like the idea of Harry as a dwarf lord - the great Bombur, being hauled around on his couch by twelve other dwarves. Also, they were playing the episode 2 trailer before the movie. I know you can't judge a film by its trailer, as the episode 1 trailer rocked and the film was crap, but the ep 2 trailer looked like shit. Sure the special effects rocked and Ewan looked pretty cool and will make a great lead. But the kid playing "Annie" looked stiff and blew every line in the trailer and the love story just looked like complete garbage. I actually hope Lucas just plays to the kids, because I think ROTJ and TPM both showed he's lost all ability deliver quality goods to an adult audience. He makes popcorn kiddie movies that the kids like and adults can tolerate, so he should just stick to that. Who really cares about the integrity of Star Wars as quality entertainment? It's Lucas's property, and he sold it out 18 years ago when he made ROTJ, so crying about it now is kind of silly. Which basically means I agree with Harry about NSYNC - who gives a shit? Another million tickets sold for George, and we adults can yawn and wait till Spider Man comes out.
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Jan 05, 2002 2:12:50 PM CST
HARRY JUST WHEN I THOUGHT YOU WOULDN'T STOOP SO LOW, BUT THI
by the founder
I can't believe you Harry, What's Lucas offering you? you know I had a thought that you might jump sides, Damn I should have posted it before you did it. Their is no excuse or reason that I can accept for Nsync being in this film. I agree with another poster who said any big music star shouldn't do cameo's, cause now we'll all go in looking for them, distracting us from the movie itself. What's next Harry, your defense of Backstreet Boys in spiderman? Oh yeah their's a rumor floating around about that to.
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Great idea.....Stone Cold and the Rock as associates of Jango Fett...Can you picture it now....Fett: "We must eliminate the jedi" Austin: "WHAT?!" Fett: We must eliminate the jedi" Austin: WHAT?!" "Finally, the Rock has come back....to Corsecant!" "Chancellor Palpetine, you run your mouth, you whine and you cry, about the injustices in the universe?!" Austin: "WHAT?!" "Well, the Rock says....take your clones, shine them up real nice....turn them side ways, and stick them straight up your candy ass!" Austin: "WHAT?!" "Know your role, jabroni!" Austin: "WHAT?!" (At this point a crowd of jedis have gathered, and they all start chanting the Rock's name...)Rocky Rocky! Rocky! Rocky! "Chancellor Palpetine, let me ask you...do you like pie?!" Palpetine: "Well, I.." IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU LIKE....IF YA SMELLLLLALLALALALLA...WHAT THE ROCK...IS COOKING!" "What?!" JR and King could do commentary during the final battle scene in the arena...."OH MY GOD, COUNT DOOKU HAS BROKEN SKYWALKER IN HALF!!! OH THE CARNAGE!!!" (King sees Amidala, who is looking hot)PUPPIES!!!!! And about that finale where Yoda kicks ass?! Hell, we don't need that....they change it to Rikishi giving the stinkface to Dooku. (JR: "Rikishi, about to back that ass up....oh my god!!! Face full of ass for Dooku!)
Leading to Vince Macmahon himself taking the side of Palpetine...
"DOOKU....YOU'RE FIREDDDDDD...." At this point Austin has commandeered a troop transport and careens through the arena, flipping all of the bad guys off and proceeding to open up a can of whoopass on all....(JR: STONE COLD! STONE COLD! STONE COLD!)The movie ends with Stone Cold stunning Yoda, and the Rock giving the Rock Bottom and People's elbow to Mace Windu... -
I forgot the part about ObiWan being choked slammed through a flaming table with thumbtacks (Crowd: - HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT!!!)
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You know, I am rather sick of the opinion that Star Wars is George Lucas' baby, and he can mess it up anyway he wants to. It is the fans who made Lucas galactically rich and who thus gave him the freedom to do whatever he wants with his creation. While it is true that Star Wars is his creation, it is the millions of people who put their hard-earned money down that made Lucas rich. Why should he not have an obligation to them? I am an aspiring writer, and if any of my books ever took off, I would be grateful enough to those who bought and enjoyed my work to take them into account if I ever wrote a sequel to the books that they enjoyed. I would OWE THEM FOR MY SUCCESS. The entertains purpose is to entertain the audience, not to disregard them. Commerce is a part of the success of art, and if I wrote something that was enjoyed by many and which made me rich, or even just made me a living, I would be GRATEFUL to the people who made me rich, and would feel obligated to do right by them and not put out some compromised piece of junk as a sequel. It is outrageous that Lucas, or anyone else like him, should have zero consideration for the fans. WE are the ones who put him where he is, and he OWES US. Lucas, like many rich men, is obviously surrounded by a bunch of lackeys and yes men who are ready to praise any turd that Lucas creates as a gem. This is one of the dangers of success: a loss of any sense of proportion or responsibility. If Lucas wants to spend millions of dollars on a movie designed to satisfy his daughters desire to see N'Sync, or whatever, I guess that is fine: it is his money and his priority. We the fans just don't have to like it. I suggest that real Star Wars fans who are dissatisfied simply don't contribute and money to the Lucas money machine if we do not like his work. Like any die-hard fan, I am still willing to give Lucas a chance with this upcoming movie, but if it sucks like The Phantom Menace (and the Phantom Menace DID suck), I will see it once and never pay to watch it again, just as I did with the Phantom Menace. I saw that movie ONCE, the night it opened. It was bad, and I would not spend another dime on it. NOT ONE DIME. Not on a video, a DVD, a toy, NOTHING. I spent plenty on the original trilogy, because they were GOOD, and they satisfied the fans. I was willing to do my part to make Lucas rich on the first trilogy BECAUSE HE DESERVED IT. If Attack Of The Clones is junk like The Phantom Menace, I will refuse to spend anything on it other than the price of the matinnee ticket I will buy to see it once. Lucas needs to get off his damned high horse and recognize that it is the fans who made him rich, it is OUR money in his pockets, and he damned well should be concerned what we think of his work,because we are paying him for it. I hope Attack Of The Clones is great. If it is, I will repeat view it, maybe buy the DVD, etc. If it is junk like The Phantom Menace, we should all refrain from spending our money on it. Lucas is like any entertainer. If he doesn't give a damn about his audience, there is no reason we should give a damn about him and his shoddy work. Barron out (and flame on).
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You know, I am rather sick of the opinion that Star Wars is George Lucas' baby, and he can mess it up anyway he wants to. It is the fans who made Lucas galactically rich and who thus gave him the freedom to do whatever he wants with his creation. While it is true that Star Wars is his creation, it is the millions of people who put their hard-earned money down that made Lucas rich. Why should he not have an obligation to them? I am an aspiring writer, and if any of my books ever took off, I would be grateful enough to those who bought and enjoyed my work to take them into account if I ever wrote a sequel to the books that they enjoyed. I would OWE THEM FOR MY SUCCESS. The entertains purpose is to entertain the audience, not to disregard them. Commerce is a part of the success of art, and if I wrote something that was enjoyed by many and which made me rich, or even just made me a living, I would be GRATEFUL to the people who made me rich, and would feel obligated to do right by them and not put out some compromised piece of junk as a sequel. It is outrageous that Lucas, or anyone else like him, should have zero consideration for the fans. WE are the ones who put him where he is, and he OWES US. Lucas, like many rich men, is obviously surrounded by a bunch of lackeys and yes men who are ready to praise any turd that Lucas creates as a gem. This is one of the dangers of success: a loss of any sense of proportion or responsibility. If Lucas wants to spend millions of dollars on a movie designed to satisfy his daughters desire to see N'Sync, or whatever, I guess that is fine: it is his money and his priority. We the fans just don't have to like it. I suggest that real Star Wars fans who are dissatisfied simply don't contribute and money to the Lucas money machine if we do not like his work. Like any die-hard fan, I am still willing to give Lucas a chance with this upcoming movie, but if it sucks like The Phantom Menace (and the Phantom Menace DID suck), I will see it once and never pay to watch it again, just as I did with the Phantom Menace. I saw that movie ONCE, the night it opened. It was bad, and I would not spend another dime on it. NOT ONE DIME. Not on a video, a DVD, a toy, NOTHING. I spent plenty on the original trilogy, because they were GOOD, and they satisfied the fans. I was willing to do my part to make Lucas rich on the first trilogy BECAUSE HE DESERVED IT. If Attack Of The Clones is junk like The Phantom Menace, I will refuse to spend anything on it other than the price of the matinnee ticket I will buy to see it once. Lucas needs to get off his damned high horse and recognize that it is the fans who made him rich, it is OUR money in his pockets, and he damned well should be concerned what we think of his work,because we are paying him for it. I hope Attack Of The Clones is great. If it is, I will repeat view it, maybe buy the DVD, etc. If it is junk like The Phantom Menace, we should all refrain from spending our money on it. Lucas is like any entertainer. If he doesn't give a damn about his audience, there is no reason we should give a damn about him and his shoddy work. Barron out (and flame on).
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You know, I am rather sick of the opinion that Star Wars is George Lucas' baby, and he can mess it up anyway he wants to. It is the fans who made Lucas galactically rich and who thus gave him the freedom to do whatever he wants with his creation. While it is true that Star Wars is his creation, it is the millions of people who put their hard-earned money down that made Lucas rich. Why should he not have an obligation to them? I am an aspiring writer, and if any of my books ever took off, I would be grateful enough to those who bought and enjoyed my work to take them into account if I ever wrote a sequel to the books that they enjoyed. I would OWE THEM FOR MY SUCCESS. The entertains purpose is to entertain the audience, not to disregard them. Commerce is a part of the success of art, and if I wrote something that was enjoyed by many and which made me rich, or even just made me a living, I would be GRATEFUL to the people who made me rich, and would feel obligated to do right by them and not put out some compromised piece of junk as a sequel. It is outrageous that Lucas, or anyone else like him, should have zero consideration for the fans. WE are the ones who put him where he is, and he OWES US. Lucas, like many rich men, is obviously surrounded by a bunch of lackeys and yes men who are ready to praise any turd that Lucas creates as a gem. This is one of the dangers of success: a loss of any sense of proportion or responsibility. If Lucas wants to spend millions of dollars on a movie designed to satisfy his daughters desire to see N'Sync, or whatever, I guess that is fine: it is his money and his priority. We the fans just don't have to like it. I suggest that real Star Wars fans who are dissatisfied simply don't contribute and money to the Lucas money machine if we do not like his work. Like any die-hard fan, I am still willing to give Lucas a chance with this upcoming movie, but if it sucks like The Phantom Menace (and the Phantom Menace DID suck), I will see it once and never pay to watch it again, just as I did with the Phantom Menace. I saw that movie ONCE, the night it opened. It was bad, and I would not spend another dime on it. NOT ONE DIME. Not on a video, a DVD, a toy, NOTHING. I spent plenty on the original trilogy, because they were GOOD, and they satisfied the fans. I was willing to do my part to make Lucas rich on the first trilogy BECAUSE HE DESERVED IT. If Attack Of The Clones is junk like The Phantom Menace, I will refuse to spend anything on it other than the price of the matinnee ticket I will buy to see it once. Lucas needs to get off his damned high horse and recognize that it is the fans who made him rich, it is OUR money in his pockets, and he damned well should be concerned what we think of his work,because we are paying him for it. I hope Attack Of The Clones is great. If it is, I will repeat view it, maybe buy the DVD, etc. If it is junk like The Phantom Menace, we should all refrain from spending our money on it. Lucas is like any entertainer. If he doesn't give a damn about his audience, there is no reason we should give a damn about him and his shoddy work. Barron out (and flame on).
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You know, I am rather sick of the opinion that Star Wars is George Lucas' baby, and he can mess it up anyway he wants to. It is the fans who made Lucas galactically rich and who thus gave him the freedom to do whatever he wants with his creation. While it is true that Star Wars is his creation, it is the millions of people who put their hard-earned money down that made Lucas rich. Why should he not have an obligation to them? I am an aspiring writer, and if any of my books ever took off, I would be grateful enough to those who bought and enjoyed my work to take them into account if I ever wrote a sequel to the books that they enjoyed. I would OWE THEM FOR MY SUCCESS. The entertains purpose is to entertain the audience, not to disregard them. Commerce is a part of the success of art, and if I wrote something that was enjoyed by many and which made me rich, or even just made me a living, I would be GRATEFUL to the people who made me rich, and would feel obligated to do right by them and not put out some compromised piece of junk as a sequel. It is outrageous that Lucas, or anyone else like him, should have zero consideration for the fans. WE are the ones who put him where he is, and he OWES US. Lucas, like many rich men, is obviously surrounded by a bunch of lackeys and yes men who are ready to praise any turd that Lucas creates as a gem. This is one of the dangers of success: a loss of any sense of proportion or responsibility. If Lucas wants to spend millions of dollars on a movie designed to satisfy his daughters desire to see N'Sync, or whatever, I guess that is fine: it is his money and his priority. We the fans just don't have to like it. I suggest that real Star Wars fans who are dissatisfied simply don't contribute and money to the Lucas money machine if we do not like his work. Like any die-hard fan, I am still willing to give Lucas a chance with this upcoming movie, but if it sucks like The Phantom Menace (and the Phantom Menace DID suck), I will see it once and never pay to watch it again, just as I did with the Phantom Menace. I saw that movie ONCE, the night it opened. It was bad, and I would not spend another dime on it. NOT ONE DIME. Not on a video, a DVD, a toy, NOTHING. I spent plenty on the original trilogy, because they were GOOD, and they satisfied the fans. I was willing to do my part to make Lucas rich on the first trilogy BECAUSE HE DESERVED IT. If Attack Of The Clones is junk like The Phantom Menace, I will refuse to spend anything on it other than the price of the matinnee ticket I will buy to see it once. Lucas needs to get off his damned high horse and recognize that it is the fans who made him rich, it is OUR money in his pockets, and he damned well should be concerned what we think of his work,because we are paying him for it. I hope Attack Of The Clones is great. If it is, I will repeat view it, maybe buy the DVD, etc. If it is junk like The Phantom Menace, we should all refrain from spending our money on it. Lucas is like any entertainer. If he doesn't give a damn about his audience, there is no reason we should give a damn about him and his shoddy work. Barron out (and flame on).
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We just have to admit it - the franchise is over. Sites like http://www.geocities.com/buttbackender/ButtBackender.html PROVE THAT - WOULD SUCH A SITE, SEETHING WITH VENOM, EVER HAVE EXISTED 4 YEARS AGO? NO WAY!!! SW HAS GIVEN UP ALL HOPE OF CREDIBILITY!!!
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Jan 05, 2002 6:47:00 PM CST
KRISPY KREME IN BLADE 2???!!! Somebody fucking kill me now!
by drak_tanner
Why is it that all the babies seem to come out in the Star Wars TBs? Seriously! It's a legitimate question! I love Star Wars as much as the next geek, but if I were worked up to the point of frothing at the mouth about the identities of a couple extras dying in the background, I would honestly look at my life and realize that there's something really missing, and that I'm not going to find it by bitching like a whining daddy's girl to people I don't know and will likely never meet. Get a grip, some of you.
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Man alive, the man is freaking out, he's shredded away any last fiber of integrity he has sewn to his name--George Lucas has flown the coop, and in his stead is a shell of a man. NSYNC in Star Wars?!? Whatsamatta you?!!? Yousa be brain dead, meesa thinkin'. Damn it all and tar feathers! Why dont'cha invite Britney Spears to be NYSYNC's main foil in the film. Better yet, have the Rock take a hand as a servant of the Dark Force in giving these pretty boys the beat down they know they deserve. Isn't anything sacred anymore? Dammit to hell! There's only so much BS I can choke in a day, and this has surpassed my quota!
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I am in NO way a fan of NSYNC, but a lifelong lover of SW. I was shocked to hear this news. Then I thought well is it really going to matter if these guys are in this. We probably won't even see them. And when this movie opens, when you're sitting in that theatre watching AOTC and you're caught up in that universe, the characters, Natilie's Face, The history of SW, John William's music well believe me the second or two in which NSYNC may appear well be the farthest thing from your minds. I know it will be for me. And Besides, These movies are Timeless, They'll be a part of Cinema and world history forever. In 15 or 20 years This Movie will still be around. NSYNC more than likely won't. They're not going to ruin this movie now, In May or ever for me.
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well if this is the justification for ruining things then i accept it. but i'd like to have natalie portman satisfy my manly urges, i don't see lucas doing anything to solve that problem for me. i really don't care if n'sync are star wars fans and lucas made their day. i really don't care if lucas' stepdaughter loves n'sync. i think that lucas should have had the banana splits or kaptain kool and the kongs make a cameo in the original if that is the justification for this shit. i just hope the n'sync boys have a scandal soon and their careers go down the toilet. they suck!
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Because his description of how N*Stinc could appear in the movie sounds like it might actually happen that way! >> "The Sinister Hand of Doom"? Shit that really does sound like it could be the title for Episode III. Keep it up, FutureGuy! We appreciate your spoilers from the future.
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what is happening to all the postings?
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Wouldn't this traumatize Lucas' kids if he showed them, his kids' heros, getting blasted by droids? I have a feeling that the part about them getting killed and "being in the background, blurry and shown for just a split second" (how does the press already know this when this second-unit scene has yet to be filmed??) are hopeful remarks by the original reporter who broke the story. As in, he might have wrote: "Let's hope they stay in the background, appear blurry, and die horrible bloody deaths by battledroids, and only appear for a few seconds." Then other reporters took the original scooper's comments out of context. Fellas, this doesn't look good. I have this bad feeling that FutureGuy's description of how N*Sync will appear on the screen is similiar to what will actually happen.
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Harry and the guy who wrote in: Are you out of your minds??? Somehow ripping NSYNC translates to not understanding a father's love for his daughter? Thhptttt. Hey, any architects out there? Maybe you should let your little kids draw up some of the blueprints for that new project, eh? I know I'm gonna bring my niece to work with me and have her add a few lines to my next business report! If his kids love NSYNC so much, why not just hire the freaking band to do a private concert at the Lucas Ranch? I'd sure as hell rather have that if I was his daughter.
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um...no, the "references" to pot smoking shade speaks of are not references to pot smoking. they're smoking pipe-weed...it's explained in the prolouge to the book...it's not marijuana...more like tobacco
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one can dream cant he!
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As an actor, it appauls me that George Lucas would do this. This shows that he is not taking this trilogy seriously. As a filmmaker, he should hold every little aspect of this film sacred. Every detail of this film needs to be scrutinzed; from Anakin to the 57th stormtrooper from the right. What Lucas is putting out there is part of an epic, do you think the original trilogy would have been as good if he gave Greedo to Steven Spielberg because he was his friend? Or, what if Peter Jackson let any yahoo pal into the battle sequences of Fellowship?
I see people make comparisons to to Samuel Jackson saying, "He asked for a part and got it." Well, there is a slight difference, Samuel is an ACTOR. If there was an appearance by the Max Rebo Band, then I'd say I'm all for N'Sync playing them, but they're not, they're Jedi.
And Harry, you say You were a God to your little sis because you did all the TMNT stuff with her, because it was in your power. Well, you know, if Lucas' daughters really wanted to meet N'Sync, he could have arranged a special pre-screening at the ranch for them and his daughters.
Bottom line....Lucas has become a sell out and is not doing this for the fans but for his bank account. If he were serious about this he would scrutinize every decision that has to be made, rather than just say "Sure honey, anything you want." -
I have been a star wars fan for 24 years. I understand the fans trying to justify this with trite excuses, lies and a positive attitude. I commend you all. However I am in my 30's and this horrific cameo has made me realize something. Mr. Lucas has drawn a line in the sand - thus excluding his "older" fans. It started with the Ewoks, then the "Special" editions - (Greedo shooting first), next we endured Jar Jar and now nsync. I cannot do it. I revere the star wars universe (even with ewoks and Jar Jar). But I cannot sit through this film knowing that these hacks are in it. So I'm out. Today I give up Star Wars. To look at the bright side of it I had Episode 4 and 5 which none could ever beat. As for the rest Im in the process of selling all my new memorabilia and I am done. To the new and even the older fans this may seem extreme but I think if you realy think about it you will realize that Mr. Lucas is really not concerned with the older fan - he wants the younger market-business (speculate what you will). It really does not matter anymore so Thank you George for Episode4 and a Tremendous thanks to you Irv for Episode 5 (my absolute favorite). Hey George- you go right ahead and piss all over the star wars universe after all you created it. I was just a fan. Thats all I was and now I'm out, so you'll have to do without my $8.50. But so what. nsync will bring in a lot more fans. They wont be loyal, but at least they'll pay to get in. Good luck everyone don't bother telling me how it all turns out, I don't care anymore.
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Now that I think about it, I'd much prefer you assholes away from the theaters. That way I don't have to listen to all the pretenscious and "hey look at me I can be hostile" star wars flaming that would occur for the next 6 months after the film. 99% of everyone pissed off about NSYNC are nothing but shallow assholes who think getting mad and slaming movies is cool. You guys are pathetic, maybe after you get your highschool diploma you'll be a little more mature, until then, stick to your homework and get the hell off the computer.
Also, I thought that Harry made an excellent and well addressed point. I admit I am impressed with what he wrote. -
you other Jedi can't deny! When the Queen walks in with an itty bitty waist and a round thing in your face you get SPRUNG! **********to paraphrase Sir Mixalot
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Of course, what we're all forgetting here is that Mr. Lucas has been a million bazillion heir ever since the success of the first Star Wars trilogy. What will it matter to him if the new movies tank like sea anchors? If he wanted to, he could give N'Sync lead roles and change the genre to a musical. Would it make him hard up for a loaf of bread when nobody saw it? Like buggery it would!
Everyone seems to think he's only interested in his bank account, but I tend to agree with Harry. The well-to-do bastard would rather please his kids than make a critically acclaimed movie. He's already so stinking rich, any financial success the film harbors would just be a bonus. And as for the die-hard fans, I guess he just hates you. -
Of course, what we're all forgetting here is that Mr. Lucas has been a million bazillion heir ever since the success of the first Star Wars trilogy. What will it matter to him if the new movies tank like sea anchors? If he wanted to, he could give N'Sync lead roles and change the genre to a musical. Would it make him hard up for a loaf of bread when nobody saw it? Like buggery it would!
Everyone seems to think he's only interested in his bank account, but I tend to agree with Harry. The well-to-do bastard would rather please his kids than make a critically acclaimed movie. He's already so stinking rich, any financial success would just be a bonus. And as for the die-hard fans, I guess he just hates you. -
1. Ewan with an awful beard
2. Anakin turning to evil
3. The lame title
And now all these jealous fanboys are being jerks to overcompensate for the fact that they aren't good looking, can't sing, dance or act, aren't swimming in cash, can't get girls and something else that has to do with a thing only men have. Grow up.
Anyway, I'm still wondering when the first movie they made with cameos, "Jack of All Trades" (Not the Bruce Campell show) will be released, since they and BSB broke away from Tyranny-Continental.
And just for the record, I'd be happy if any more members of Orgy made cameos in movies. Ryan was the only good thing in "The Forsaken." -
Because I don't give a damn about Lucas OR his kids. That movie is for ME, the consumer, and as such I'm not paying to see N-f'ing-Sync play Jedis or Ewoks or whatever. This is the straw that broke the Taun-Taun's back. I'm out with Star Wars, in with LOTR. Buh-bye, George, I won't miss you.
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Ok listen, I know most everyone here has a preference. You have LOTR fans and Star Wars fans. But why can't you be both. I mean come on folks. LOTR is probably my favorite movie of all time. Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back is probably my second favorite movie. I love them both. Why do you have to bash each other? Yes Lucas isn't making the best of moves in putting NSYNC into the movie, but they're only gonna be in it for less than 30 seconds at the most! Big Deal! There is a car in a scene of LOTR. Big Deal! It doesn't mean I enjoy the movie less. We're crucifying this movie before it even comes out! And another thing, why must we always bust on Harry? Sure I don't agree with everything he says (trashing any movie with Freddie Prinze Jr. or Matthew Lillard before he even sees it) but I won't resort to calling him names or insulting him. It isn't fair to him. If it wasn't for Harry you wouldn't even have a talkback board to bitch on. Give it up people.
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Hey, that would be a cool scene. But there's a way to make it PERFECT: ((1)) get also Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Christina Aguillera, Eminem, TLC, Spice Girls, and Fugees. ((2)) Use real guns! ;-)
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Jan 07, 2002 11:33:34 PM CST
Seeing as 'Attack of the Clones' is such a stupid title,
by seth_isurus
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Christ almighty, what the hell is going on here?!?! How many people here ever liked Star Wars so much that they watched the Ewok Specials? Huh? How many of you that said yes, also hunted down the damn Christmas Special back from '78. Have you seen those? Guess what! That stuff has been out there for a damn long time, a time long enough for all of us to know what we were (are) in for. Whatever...that crap has never overshadowed my love of what has been right in the Star Wars films, just as Jake Lloyd and Jar-Jar and N'SYNC will not overshadow NATALIE PORTMAN"S DAMN HOT-ASS in AOTC. I think you get me.
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Meesa likee
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http://www.theforce.net/episode2/index.html#13803
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And the new Matrix movie will suck balls
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And the new Matrix movie will suck balls
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And the new Matrix movie will suck balls
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And the new Matrix movie will suck balls
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