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How can a movie with a perfect cast, director and script feel like a Dentist’s Lobby?

Well, I have a couple of ideas about it, and unfortunately that’s how I feel about Steven Soderbergh’s OCEAN’S ELEVEN.

I’ve been excited about this movie from the second it left Brett Ratner’s hands and fell into Soderbergh and Clooney’s mitts. However, right now… I’m seriously reconsidering that thought. At least when Ratner was in charge of the project the script still had a bite.

You see, originally OCEAN’S ELEVEN was to be a fight between vintage Vegas and the ‘family-friendly’ Vegas of today. There were great scenes of dialogue ripping into the Disneylandification of what was once a proper Adult Babylon. The script had an attitude. A vibrancy. And reading it with the thought of Soderbergh and the cast he had. Dear Lord, that was excitement.

Now it isn’t that the film is terrible, it isn’t. It just isn’t alive. There is no beat, no heart… The film just felt flaccid and limp. Like a charismatic yawn.

The film didn’t feel like it was VEGAS at all. No sense of it. Every actor in the film felt like they were playing COOL. This is agonizing for me, because typically… Soderbergh embodies vitality and life in film. His taste in visual flair has always been exquisite. And his ability to match that with the perfect musical accompaniment to bring it to life, where it would live in your skull well after the film ended.

Right now as I write this, I’m watching THE LIMEY, earlier today I was watching OUT OF SIGHT. Both of these films have a sense of urgency and inevitability. You could feel forward momentum. That there was a sense of chaos that could throw the characters for a loop that would just scare the bejeesus out of them. More than anything you got the feeling that these mortals were not sure of the next move, and when that move came… They had to deal with it or die.

OCEAN’S ELEVEN is a straight line. No hazardous curves, no blind spots. The film has no real conflict. There are no threats or even real dangers. There are isolated moments of tension, nothing more.

The film is competent, but that is not entirely satisfying. Not when you have this cast, this director and the script they had. This should have been something more than a stroll.

Now I understand… Danny Ocean is in control. He’s the Mack Daddy of controlled coolness. In a hail of birdshit, he’s splatter-free. Alright, gotcha. Fine, good, I’ll give ya that. The Fonz in finer suits. George Clooney plays this to the ‘T’. Nails it.

Now answer me this, why then is every other character in the film playing a slight variation on Danny Ocean?

I mean, generally when you’re creating a heist sort of situation, you would have something along the way go wrong. Here, everything that goes wrong is actually right and therefore according to plan, meaning… It is all handled without so much as a tiny bit of trouble.

Now I’m not going to come in here and bring up Sinatra’s OCEAN’S ELEVEN as some sort of holy cow on some incense burning altar of worship. That wasn’t a very good movie, but it did have a sense of chaos to it. I did feel things could go wrong, if only because of the glassy eyes and the swinging beat that the film had. It might not have been a great film, but it was alive.

No, instead, I’m going to bring up the best version of the Rob A Las Vegas Casino film. One that I would think worthy of Steven Soderbergh… MACHINE GUN McCAIN.

MACHINE GUN McCAIN was the John Cassavetes heist flick set in and around Vegas. It was an Italian Crime film (Soooooo deserving of a great DVD job) where Cassavetes gets out of jail at the beginning, is set to work to plan knocking off a casino in Vegas. Hooks up with a pretty lap warmer played by the scrumdiddlyumptious Britt Ekland. Cassavetes’ old lady was stunningly played by Gena Rowlands, and Peter Falk played the Crime boss that once set things in motion, really wants to call it quits.

McCain didn’t over-plan his heist. As a result there are all kinds of things that can go wrong. Hell, even when you get away with it all, the mob, the mafia, the big bad guys that control the dice and the distribution of the cards… They got your number, and no matter where you go… they collect.

Unfortunately, I can’t recommend that you go down to your local video store to pick this up instead, because… Well, unfortunately it isn’t there for you. It is not on video or DVD. Trust me when I say that this is the vastly superior film.

OCEAN’S ELEVEN was an exercise, a warm up and a real waste of time and talent. I’m not sure how this script was transformed into a ‘family friendly’ film. A movie with no balls, no real machismo, no emotion and absolutely the most fake feeling of cool by way of underplaying that I’ve seen in quite some time.

I’m very depressed about this. When I purchased my tickets, I was walking in there to see a Steven Soderbergh film, I walked out not knowing who built this pre-fab fluff, but I want to wish he had nothing to do with it.

Completely lifeless, amusing in spots, but ultimately depressing.

OK... ya want more? Here we go...

Andy Garcia - Completely lifeless. Wandering from scene to scene as if in a daze. We're told that he's some ultimate badass. We're told what he did to somebody else. We're told to not mess with him. OK.. so they mess with him and... let's see, he stands in vault looking extremely confused and pissed? He delivers an, 'Ewwwww, I'm going to get you pesky kids' speech, then sends 5 cars with guys with guns after the robot van and that's how he's going to fuck with you? I mean, someone that has such a kept routine would instantly be thinking about all the new variables that came into his life that day. The old fart with the jewels. The rookie Nevada Gaming Commission guy. The dealer he had to dismiss. The old fart in the control room that had a fake heart attack, but that didn't get admitted to a real hospital. He'd start taking stills of these people from the video. He'd start distributing their faces to his 'associates' he'd track them down.... their list of associates. He would never have let Danny Ocean go... He's an ultimate badass, and 'no one' knows he's in the room with no cameras. He'd use electricity, a blow torch, he'd rip the fucking fingernails out of Mr Suave's fingertips. "You can go Mr Ocean?" WHAT THE FUCK? Bullshit, lame and crap!

Brad Pitt - Sedate, drugged and lifeless. Other than one goofy entrance as a doctor, his character is dead. The one almost great scene was the card game with him and Clooney. But he starts the film bored and ends the film bored.

Matt Damon - Other than a constant look of confusion, what the hell does he do? He's like a lost dumb puppy in the film. Oh, by the way... What was the reasoning behind having him believe Clooney was out? Was there a payoff to that? Was it really necessary to confuse an already confused character?

Don Cheadle - Ok, what's up with the accent, and which movie does it belong in? He's given Jack and Shit to work with in this movie. His most memorable moment is guarding his nutsac from an EMP pulse. This is the actor that stole OUT OF SIGHT, that was robbed of an Academy Award for DEVIL IN A BLUE DRESS and was so great in TRAFFIC. Apparently he wanted to be in a Guy Ritchie movie.

Julia Roberts - Neither sexy nor alluring. She is a mannequin in the movie. They put clothes on her, and she walks from one side of the screen to the other. She is bored throughout.

Elliot Gould - He's a circus clown. This isn't a tough as nails Casino Owner from the classic era of Vegas, this is Jon Peters meets Liberace. He's Waldo in the film. Just a dweeb in funny clothes that stands out, only because he doesn't fit in.

Casey Affleck and Scott Caan - I prefered these characters when they made SLAP SHOT.

Ok.... Now let's sort one thing out right now. I love the above list of actors. As the saying goes, BIG FAN. But they just aren't doing anything here. This movie is about the plan, not about them. This is a movie about plot machinations not character, and as most writers and critics will tell you, CHARACTERS make you care about PLOT, and in this case, I could just give to shakes of a cock about the plot of this film.

The Music for the film. Ho-Hum. HO-HUM? From the guy that put together the music behind OUT OF SIGHT and THE LIMEY? Musically this film is duller than a metronome.

Soderbergh's direction? Given there was only tension twice in the film. Once when the Chinese Gymnast gets his hand caught in the safe mechanism. And the other when the big bald guy comes in the room to beat the shit out of Clooney. I'd say in an action adventure heist film... that it ends up failing pretty miserably. ESPECIALLY when you disable the explosives by the convenient 'battery check' device. And you disable the giant bald guy by making him an old buddy of Clooney's. Every single time where tension was supposed to be raised, it was immediately disabled to keep a status quo in emotional involvement.

Blowing the Gymnast's arm off wasn't an option. Having Clooney take the beating of all beatings was never an option. Blowing all the lights in Vegas at night.... Dealing with the amazingly wonderful chaos that would ensue... not an option.

Rent TOPKAPI.... Go see Mamet's THE HEIST. Watch GUNS OF NAVARONE. This movie ceased to just be a heist movie and became GUYS ON A MISSION flick.

As such, 'just being cool' ain't enough!


I don't hate the film, the movie is merely adequate, passable, average... All words dodging around saying MEDIOCRE. If this was a Joel Schumacher film, I'd say it was quite good. For Steven Soderbergh, who has never made a movie that I didn't adore. Fun? 11 guys robbing a Casino while having no problems doing it is FUN? I thought that was called THE NEWTON BOYS and was considered by almost everyone out there as tedium.

Perhaps I went in with expectations set too high. Perhaps I expected a movie with a razor's edge of wit, with our finest high budget talented actors riffing off one another and being charismatic as hell. Perhaps I wanted to move to the edge of my seat a couple of times. Maybe I wanted to grip the arms of my chair a tad. Feel my heart beat race a bit. Maybe, just maybe I wanted to see a little excitement. I do feel this was a better film than the original, but that wasn't going to be hard. All that would require is a single actor to be on his mark, and Carl Reiner was definitely on his best game.

As someone down below states that Soderbergh has stated, is that this was a movie with nothing on its mind. Nothing on its mind. That's a long way around saying the movie was BORING. However, if you loved it... Great, wonderful, wish I were you. So I guess if you want to see an 'ok' movie or perhaps Soderbergh's worst film (which is still better than about 70% of the other director's best films) then check this out. Maybe with diminished expectations it'll play great. I went in expecting a GREAT POPCORN HEIST ADVENTURE MOVIE, came out with an OK flick. A moderately successful effort. Yippee

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  • Dec. 16, 2001, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Ummm...ok...i'm first

    by BankyG

    Well, Harry, I felt this about Vanilla Sky but loved Ocean's Eleven. Vanilla Sky just didn't have that umphh. It always seemed to be trying to be something that it wasn't. I liked Eleven because it was pure unadulterated fun, nothing less nothing more.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 12:05 p.m. CST

    It bound to seem crap after the LoTR.

    by brolly

    Man. 3 more days :)

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 12:05 p.m. CST


    by PeanutGallery

    Good points Harry. I also found it tension free. At first when Sal was appearing to have heart problems, I though, "Ok, a snag in the plan." And then it hit me. This too is part of the plan. Sigh. Everything was too silky smooth. Boring! As Homer would say.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 12:09 p.m. CST

    another failure? Why doesn't that surprise me?

    by Pedro_Adolfo

    This one had it all, but they did it again, those sorry asses... I trust in you Harry, if you say this is a POS, than it may be. But god damn, its a pity...

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 12:12 p.m. CST

    I feel sorry for you Harry...

    by GravyAkira

    If you can sit there and bash a great film like this and recommend crap like Vanilla Sky. I think you are losing your touch big guy.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 12:34 p.m. CST

    LOTR Contest

    by Ulmo

    Hellooooooo Harry are you EVER gonna announce the winners of the latest LOTR sculpture contest??

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 12:36 p.m. CST

    I agree with you Harry, sort of.....

    by BurtonErnie

    You're absolutely right when you say that there was no tension. It just seemed like everything moved along too perfectly...but on the same token, I really loved the style of this movie, which I think was the whole point. I saw this not too long after Mamet's "Heist", a film I hated, perhaps because in it, everyone is septuple-crossing everyone else, and by the end, the movie had just collapsed under its own weight. "Ocean's Eleven" went down a lot better in comparison, and I really loved it. Of course, the best heist of the year remains "The Score", with brownie points going to "sexy Beast".

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Well I enjoyed it

    by JdRavnos

    So it wasn't chaotic, who said it had to be? The whole point was to capture the Rat Pack coolness. When you see Clooney back in the room getting the shit beat out of him you smile because you know he's in contrl. This wasn't supposed to be a typical heist type movie. And how the hell is Bernie Mac a slight variation of Danny Ocean? When did Elliot Gould do anything remotely reminiscent of Danny Ocean? What about Casey Affleck? Carl Reiner? I can buy the argument against Pitt and Damon, but the rest of the crew were more or less unique.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 12:43 p.m. CST

    I agree with Harry 100%

    by MathewM

    I really wanted to like Ocean's 11, well, because I like Soderberg. However the film is weak. There is no dramatic tension for the first 2/3 of the film; no chemistry between any of the performers; the love affair between Clooney and Roberts lacked any flair; and each and every plot device was stolen or ill-concieved. The whole cast with the exception of Elliot Gould and Carl Reiner (who both turn in the best performances) seemed to be half asleep or hung over. As Harry stated, with exception of the heist itself (which does not equal a good film) Ocean's 11 is boring and not very much fun. Those pandering to the uber-cool ness of the cast and filmmaker are being mislead by the marketing and hype. This film is average at best. Below average for a Soderberg film, quite possibly his worst.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 12:48 p.m. CST


    by Damien646

    While we are on the subject of Las Vegas films, may I take this momemt to remind everyone of the best Las Vegas film EVER MADE....Yes !!! "Showgirls" rocked....Loved it, loved it , loved it !!!

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 12:49 p.m. CST

    The first Ocean's 11 sucked even worse.

    by BigTuna

    I have to laugh that all these media types are talking about " how cool" the RAt Pack are in Ocean's 11. Have they seen it? My god what a horrible film, it doesn't hold up at all. There are scenes where Dean looks drunk and FRank is actually standing talking in complete darkness. He missed his mark and nobody bothered doing a 2nd take.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Where was the review?

    by Nada Lives

    What about the performances? What about the direction? Why were there paragraphs about other movies? Harry, if you're going to fancy yourself a critic, maybe you should try talking about the movie you're actually watching, not other movies or earlier drafts of the script. I watched this movie last night, and I think it was what it wanted to be - cool. How seriously can we take a "critic" who writes a review of one movie while watching another one? Maybe if they had flown you out to Vegas to hang out with the cast your review would have been more positive, Harry....

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 12:58 p.m. CST

    They should call it ''WhiteJack''

    by Leonard Shelby

    Jeez, everyone lighten up. This is supposed to be a fun film, a cool heist movie. Of course all the A-list actors are going to play "cool" characters but Harry, when you say everyone plays a slight variation of Clooney, gimme a fucking break. If you don't like an actor then come out and say it but don't let it taint the entire review. The only real problem I had with this movie was the scenes between Clooney and Roberts; no chemistry at all.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 1 p.m. CST

    ummm...ok Harry...

    by Frank Black

    You liked "Vanilla Sky" but didn't like "Ocean's 11?" I see why you feel the way you did, but at least "Ocean's 11" didn't pretend to be anything other than it was and it was entertaining. "Vanilla Sky" was trying so hard to be clever and deep that it was an embarassment to all involved. I guess these days the only thing I agree with you on is that Cameron Diaz is attractive. Harry, you should really make a movie. I would love to see what it is you are looking for and whether you think you could do a better job than all of the movies you assess. I am sure we will agree on "Fellowship of the Rings."

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 1:04 p.m. CST

    "Oceans 11" = Great, "Vanilla Sky" = Poopie

    by YND

    I'm with AkiraGravy and BankyG. I think Harry mixed up his reviews. I saw "Oceans 11" last weekend and thought it was a hell of a lot of fun. (Clearly my thoughts on Soderbergh aren't in line with everybody else, though -- I thought his Oscar-winning "Traffic" was far less successful on its own terms than any of his previous three films.) Saw "Vanilla Sky" this weekend and thought it was just terrible. All the creepiness and menace from "Abre los Ojos" was totally jettisoned to make way for some really awkward dialogue (from Crowe!? -- what happened?) and arch "observations" about pop culture. Yuck. "Bored" is probably the best way to describe it. Ah well, to each their own.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 1:17 p.m. CST

    I Can't Agree with Harry

    by NewMethos

    I think you really missed the mark this time Harry. I saw Ocean's 11 the day it came out, I was so excited about seeing it because everything that I had read about it here on AICN, it was sort of an anniversary for me, the first movie that had gone full circle on since I started reading AICN, so I had high hopes. I must admit that at the beginning of the movie, I didn't care about Clooney or any of the other members of the heist team at all. But everything really started to change when he described the job at Elliot Gould's house. The way he described it, just hooked me into the movie and I was on the edge of my seat for the rest of the movie. I enjoyed the scenese between Julia Roberts and George Clooney, especially after Andy Garcia shows up. It felt tightly scripted and very well played with a lot of dramatic tension with a very low key kind of attitude to the whole thing. It was exciting and tense, it felt like a real conversation between these people. I ended up totally loving the movie, enjoying the dialogue, and the plot, and the fact that nothing goes wrong, when I am expecting a number of things to go wrong at any moment, kept me tense the whole time. I like the fact that nothing went wrong, because it broke our expectations for the genre and really messed with our minds. Bascially, I loved the movie and I can't wait to see it again. Thanks for all the hard work Harry, how do I get your job anyway? NewMethos

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Tell me. When did you start thinking you were better than me?

    by ArchDiver

    THE SCORE was a great heist flick, especially since they spent so much time showing us how they planned and prepared for the caper, and still giving us twists in its execution. I was hoping O-11 be like that, just with a little more flair and flamboyance, but it seems this will not be the case. It's still on my holiday list though, once I wrap academic matters. AD out.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Depressed? LOTR: The Prozac of the movie industry

    by forward_deploy

    Thanks for perspective on this Ocean's 11, Harry. I'll be sure to avoid it like Barbara Streisand in heat. Let's take a moment of silence to remember Ocean's 11 and Vanilla Sky. My these Hollywood flops never RIP.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 1:20 p.m. CST

    No surprises

    by Some Dude

    I went to "Ocean's 11" with an open mind, but found that, by the end, I hated it. Why? Because every machination of the heist is so friggin' predictable. The Trojan horse they use to get in is no surprise to anyone who has ever seen a movie before. The video camera trick? Weren't all you punks complaining about that bit of technology in "Hollow Man"? The SWAT team escape? Duh! As for the EMP device... If that thing went off in Vegas, the damage caused could not be repaired in 30 seconds. The rest of the film should have been done in total darkness. Do some research on EMPs if you don't believe me, or better yet, watch the end of "Escape from LA."

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 1:38 p.m. CST

    the SeaCaptain's review

    by seacaptain

    "Oceans 11" was cool and for the most part entertaining. I'm not sure what else you'd be looking for! I guess I should read early versions of the script to know better. But I do agree the chemistry was a mixed bag. Some pairs had it (Clooney/Damon, Clooney/Pitt), some didn't really. Loved the scene with the WB stars! But in the end, I found it was a nicely-told tale. Maybe not as scintillating as I'd hoped, but fun and amusing nonetheless. I hate the sea and everything in it.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Ocean's Eleven was just a prime example of a hollywood gimmi

    by Kampbell-Kid

    I saw this opening day and I hated it too. If you took out all the big chic actors, took out the current trendy director just cuz he was last years big oscar buzz and casted it with nobodys... all you have is a trite robbing the casino story thats been over done before. Can we say 2000 Miles To Graceland?! <makes a sound of a daisy bomb droping> :) The films sole purple obviously was to remake a flop and by casting all of the biz&#39;s best actors it will magicly make it a GOOD movie this time around. Wrong! I&#39;ve seen many movies with great actors and the film has just sucked because of a bad story... we all have and Ocean&#39;s Eleven is another fine example. 0 Poo on whoever decided to release this film to the public.. you tricked us!!! Damn you!! This is why hollywood churns out gimmic crap these days, you betray us! Making the money is more important that the film&#39;s quality itself! You tricked us into paying our money to see a gimmic!! :) <clams down - getting flaclept>

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 1:43 p.m. CST

    "Absolutely the most fake feeling of cool by way of underplaying

    by Wesley Snipes

    That line sums up this movie well. Especially with Pitt and Damon. It just seemed they were trying SOO HARD to be nonchalant.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 1:49 p.m. CST

    I can&#39;t clam down... the sole purple of this film just fustr

    by Kampbell-Kid

    I think I just invented some chic new metaphors in my last post. :/

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Sorry, Harry. You missed the boat here.

    by Ted Striker

    It&#39;s understandable you may not like this due to the recent LOTR hype and cocoon you&#39;ve been living in the last couple weeks. It really is hard to just "enjoy" a good movie (and Ocean&#39;s 11 is definitely a GOOD movie - not great) because you&#39;ve been so amped for LOTR. Your main gripe is "why is everyone playing COOL?" Good god, if I&#39;m going to rip off a casino in Vegas (if you didn&#39;t think this was vegas, where did you think you were?), I&#39;m going to get the most CONFIDENT and COOL guys I can get. The dialogue was snappy in most cases, the scenes were shot diligently, and the chemistry between these stars was down right worthy of spending the time to do this movie. The reason you hated this, Harry? Probably a mix of you knew what was going to happen -- reading the script can take away ALL the surprise!! -- and your LOTR shell that you&#39;ve been living in. This is, of course, FORGIVABLE! :)

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 2:01 p.m. CST

    T h e B i g g e r T h e y A r e . . . .

    by ism

    You all know it&#39;s true! I knew this was going to suck from the first time I layed eyes on the cast. If you have too many big names(egos) in a movie then it is doomed from the get go. Think about these names: Holly Marie Combs, Topher Grace, Brandon Keener, Nick Massi Jr., Robin Sachs, and Brad Martin! I mean, if you get this many big actors on a set and you&#39;ve got BIG trouble! Not to mention all the problems with the no-talent two-bit actors they casted. (I think their names were...Clooney, Pitt, Roberts, Damon, Garcia, etc.)

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 2:01 p.m. CST

    The Majestic filled me with the hate of a thousand Hitlers...

    by EL Duderino

    Am I the only one who absolutely hated the Majestic? Seriously, everything about the flim was hackneyed and trite. I&#39;ll quote Bob, the evil no-good grumpy one armed chef from the film... "You know when something rubs you the wrong way and you don&#39;t know why, it just rubs you the wrong way?" That sums up the entirety of the film for me. Any comments?

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 2:04 p.m. CST


    by splat

    This film was a POS. Predictable, mediocre at best, and lacking any and all style. In terms of Vegas movies, freakin&#39; 3000 MILES TO GRACELAND did a better job at creating entertainment substance, and that was a fairly shitty movie as well. Reading Harry&#39;s review about the original Oceans 11 script, which sounded cool, just makes this film more of a disapointment.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 2:22 p.m. CST

    There&#39;s no middle ground with Harry.

    by Batutta

    A movie&#39;s either the second coming of christ, or complete crap. I guess when films are your entire reason for being they need to be religious experiences to be worth your time. I thought Ocean&#39;s 11 was entertaining but unremarkable.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 2:24 p.m. CST

    I am Jack&#39;s complete lack of surprise

    by I_AmJack'sUserID

    This movie was exactly what I expected: good. Admittedly, it took quite a while to get off the ground, some of that stuff at the beginning didn&#39;t work for me (Pitt teaching the Hollywood kids to play poker really wasn&#39;t that funny). But man, once things started up ("D-d-do you s-see me taking the g-gun out of your hol-holster and using it?", "How&#39;s Chicago? You like it there? That&#39;s nice, now get the fuck into that house!"), I couldn&#39;t get enough. It may not have been funny at every single moment, but it was cool non-stop. Harry, if you thought the coolness was forced, look at all these actors again. They are cool without even trying. Yes I am succumbing to the pop-culture ideas, but so what? George Clooney is so the man, as are Pitt and Damon. The only sweet-ass actor this film was missing was the Jack himself, Edward Norton, who should have had Damon&#39;s part, freeing him to play the dumb driver with Affleck. Nuff Said

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 2:47 p.m. CST

    DVD is video

    by ErikDean

    "It is not on video or DVD." This is a completely erroneous statement since DVD is video. VHS and DVD are both forms of video and of all people you should know this and not perpetrate such a misnomer.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Harry, I just want to add a few things!

    by David Fincher

    Hey Harry, how you doin&#39;, man? Well, I&#39;ll tell you right now that I haven&#39;t yet seen the movie. I will see it as soon as it comes out. so right now I cannot say if I liked the movie or not. But by the looks of your review above it seems that the movie achieved everything it set out to do. Steven Soderbergh has said it himself, "This is a movie about nothing. It is what it is." Very true. Is this movie trying to be something it&#39;s not? I don&#39;t think so. I think it&#39;s just a fun piece of cinema. I don&#39;t think it&#39;s a movie that you should start to really break down and analyze. It&#39;s a piece of fun which you just watch it and forget about it. Now, we&#39;ve seen Soderbergh deal with real human characters and problems in movies such as "Erin Brockovich" and "Traffic", so we know he&#39;s a great filmmaker. I think that with this movie he just wants to take a break and do something fun that doesn&#39;t envolve anytihng too deep. I think that the movie is just a piece of fun and I will not be walking into the theatre expecting to see another fantastic movie just like "Traffic" or "Erin Brockovich". I will go in expecting to see a cool, fun action movie. And I think that&#39;s what i&#39;m going to get. I thing I like to say to people who expect too much from a movie that it clearly isn&#39;t trying to be is: "Forget about movies like &#39;Pulp Fiction&#39; and &#39;Magnolia&#39;; leave your brain at the door and just have fun with it." Do any of you guys agree with me? Harry, do you have anything to add, man? Be cool guys! --PAUL "It&#39;s a movie about nothing. It is what it is." --STEVEN SODERBERGH

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 3:20 p.m. CST

    whatever part 2

    by jeff bailey

    Oceans 11 is about a hundred times better then the overblown "West Wing" episode "Traffic" which the Red One loved. Soderbergh stripped his work of complexity since Brockivich. This is the first time that it has worked for him. I can&#39;t believe Harry dug Vanilla Sky over this. Whatever...

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Why Do I Think That The Absence Of Pixies & Goblins Contributed

    by Buzz Maverik

    Haven&#39;t seen the flick, but it&#39;s time to get with the mid-twentieth century, get some testosterone flowing, drink some Jack Daniels and take down a few casinos.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Its an OK film

    by Miss Aura

    Having seen Oceans 11, I thought it was better than the original which did bore me silly. The heist itself of the casinos was in my view quite good it made the robbery in THE SCORE look like childs play. Soderberg&#39;s directing was good and actually impressed me in parts. The first half when Danny Ocean puts the gang together is slow paced but compared to the original is a godsend. The Acting from most of the actors was good apart from 2 cases - Julia Roberts (WHAT IS SHE IN THIS FOR) and Don Cheadle (Makes Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins a Yorkshireman, possibly the worst British Accent in film history) his accent is funnier than most comedys and should be seen to be believed. The film on a whole was quite good, I didnt feel bored and by the time it got to the heist (Which is the mutts nuts) I was caught up in the film. Some may not like it, but others will love it. Its an alright movie. I still cannot get Don Cheadles accent out of my head, it is the worst but funniest thing all year.

  • And yes, I was rather bored. Who dressed Julia Roberts in this movie? And when is anyone gonna ever notice that she has never been "sexy, alluring"? I did think that Andy Garcia had some bite - there was always tension in the scenes with his character. I enjoyed the dinner room exchange between him and Clooney. Very well written and executed. I loved the fact that NO ONE understood the Chinese gymnast - that was freakin&#39; funny. At least Elliot Gould knows how to have some fun on screen. And to make matters worst? Besides the two idiots behind us stating the obvious ("THATS Julia Roberts...." "Oh, they dropped those lights...." "he&#39;s gonna jump onto the van...." - JESUS H.CHRIST!!!!) - the sound was off during the first 20 minutes so it was like watching a badly dubbed Hong Kong movie....oh, the pain of it all.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 3:45 p.m. CST

    "I could just give two shakes of a cock..."

    by jackrabbit

    Just whose cock are we talking about here?

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 4:18 p.m. CST

    this isn&#39;t a review; its Harry settleing a vendetta

    by Edward Rooney

    Fuck this review, fuck Vinella Sky, and fuck internet movie geeks. Harry is just wrote this negative review to get back at someone or something or who gives a shit... P.S. Anyone who uses the term "mind fuck" should be mouth raped by Mike Tyson.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Slick and shallow

    by sporboy

    Not nearly as amusing as it pretends to be, nor as vicarious as the marketing campaign would have you believe, Ocean&#39;s Eleven is expertly wrought trifle that will, in the abscence of any sex, violence and excessive foul language, offend no one. Still, despite a few well-spun directorial flourishes, it&#39;s a bit of a bore.

  • Ocean&#39;s 11 was 100 times better than vanilla sky. It was&#39;nt a great film but it was a good entertaining film, and boring? no way. There was a time when I almost always agreed with harry but ever since he gave a good review for that steaming pile mummy returns it seems we agree less and less often. I sure hope LOTR does&#39;nt turn out to be another mummy returns. *shudder*

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 4:33 p.m. CST


    by indyhu

    I haven&#39;t gotten to see many films lately, but I went to this film eager to see an great ensemble piece. That is exactly what I got. Great pacing, the movie never stopped going. I think Harry needs to take a break from film for a little while. He has had way too much of a fantastic thing, so that the "good" things just won&#39;t make it for him. Harry, it&#39;s going to be months before you have something as good as what you have had this last week or two. Take it easy on these guys.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 4:49 p.m. CST


    by Fat Lot Of Good

    And Shaft licked major rim! Harry is always so off in his reviews, he takes his mstatus as King Fanboy and uses it like a major playing card, deciding which films his readers will see just by labelling them as either sucking or being great (and he is very biast), a great exampls of this is his treatment of Scooby Doo! Wait for Scooby then hate it Harry you dumb fuck.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 4:51 p.m. CST

    the movie at hand

    by ARZAK

    I saw Ocean&#39;s 11 with a debilitating hang-over and LOVED it. The last movie I saw in that state was SPY GAME and I HATED, HATED it... talk about hollow and lifeless... the worst Tony Scott movie EVER. Worse than Top Gun. The fact that everything went smooth as silk was the charm of Ocean&#39;s 11... with barely a trace of overwrought "suspense" (see the score.... man did they milk so called suspense in that movie).... the fact that they where flawless and won was a thing of beauty... that scene where they bask in the glory of their victory, quietly, by the fountain was a thing of pure beauty. For me the weak link was Julia Roberts... I like her most of the time but in this film I got no sense of why Clooney would be obssesed with her... they just had no CHEMISTRY and I guess that ain&#39;t her fault but Soderberg&#39;s for miscasting her. I dug Garcia in a role Alec Baldwin was born to play in his Shatneresque style: "congratulations... you&#39;re a dead man". The music was groovy, and it had a carefree attitude that was refreshing. I thought Pitt was fucking hilarious in his lazy dog, always eating style. I&#39;m done ranting. Cheers.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Soderbergh sells out

    by Messyjoe

    Harry nails this movie. How can it be so lifeless, with many stars to add pizazz and a great director? Because Soderbergh punches a meal ticket and moves on. Sin City has so much potential to make an exciting movie. None of this was explored. As if the director decided to finish the story as quickly as possible because he had better things to do.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 4:56 p.m. CST

    one more thing

    by ARZAK

    Clooney and Pitt need to make more movies together NOW. Their laid back buddy style was pure gold I tell ya. "Ted Nugent called... he wants his shirt back" -- PURE GOLD!

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Go watch it again!

    by Xphile69

    I have no idea what Harry was talking about, that movie was so full of life! Everything about it flowed, esp. the plot, with very satifing direction and ending. A great movie! If you want to get bored go see Vanilla Sky.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Hey ErikDean . . .

    by ledbetter51

    "&#39;It is not on video or DVD.&#39; This is a completely erroneous statement" If we&#39;re going to play word-nazi, I&#39;d like to point out that Harry&#39;s statement is not erroneous. By saying it&#39;s erroneous you imply that the movie IS on video. The statement is redundant, but true. And that&#39;s only if you want to be anal about it. I think we all knew what he meant.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 5:29 p.m. CST

    the truth about cool

    by rabid_republican

    I can understand why Harry doesn&#39;t like Ocean&#39;s 11. The movie seemed more about style than providing tension and its plot holes are substansive. In many ways, the film is illustrative of just how santized Vegas has become. Indeed, this remake becomes almost an unconscious testament to the decline of cool. However, I think Harry&#39;s missing the point here. Tension should not matter to any of these guys. That&#39;s precisely why their performances are all "a variances of Clooney&#39;s" as Harry puts it. But I think just because some people are giving a more relaxed performance (Pitt especially is far more laid back than lifeless.) it doesn&#39;t defeat the mood they&#39;re trying to relate. Furthermore, when Andy Garcia&#39;s character is outsmarted he does not give up, as we see at the end of the film. In reality, Garcia is much more high class, Marsallis Wallace "I&#39;m prepared to scour the earth for that motherfucker" kind of cat. Just more reserved, just like the rest of the cast. Finally, let me state that I continue to despise Julia Roberts with an absolute unrivaled passion in my reviewing memory. Ms. "Leaving a swath of broken hearts and broken souls in my wake" is best spared any major productions. Unfortunately that won&#39;t happen except in a Bizzaro universe.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 5:29 p.m. CST


    by nopositive

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  • Dec. 16, 2001, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Worse Than Sh*t?

    by Kid/A

    As an avid film geek I must say that I am at the stage where I would rather see an interesting, if seriously flawed film (Moulin Rouge, A.I., VANILLA SKY) as opposed to something bland like Oceans Eleven. Yes Vanilla Sky was frustrating as hell, but it took chances and all involved (especially Cruise) hung their asses out on it. Oceans Eleven feels like a TNT Original Movie. This is not the fun popcorn movie that it could have been, unfortunatly. P.S. To "Fat Lot of Good". You are a DILDO. The original cut of SHAFT (the one that Harry refers too, I believe) was far better than the watered down mess that the studio released. Know what you&#39;re talking about before you open your mouth. After reading all these Talk Backs I must ask; WHEN DID THIS SITE GET OVERRAN BY A BUNCH OF MINDLESS FUCKS WHOSE FAVORITE FILM IS PROBABLY ARMAGEDDON? Let me give you some advice; open your eyes.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Both "Vanilla Sky" AND "Ocean&#39;s 11" were snore fests Zzzzzzz

    by Caligari

    I went in wanting to love "Ocean&#39;s 11." All year long, I kept reading about the project and couldn&#39;t wait to see it. Soderbergh! Clooney! The Rat Pack! Cool! Boy, was I disappointed sitting through the overwhelming boredom of "Ocean&#39;s 11." It was like eating a chocolate candy with a hollow center. Harry&#39;s right. Very little conflict or surprises. However, the thing that I hated the most was Andy Garcia&#39;s character. Everyone TALKS about how a mean son of a bitch he is. Everyone TELLS stories about his evil ways. The only problem is we never SEE him doing anything mean or evil. He was just some guy in a thousand dollar suit with a scowl on his face. Another problem, the "stakes." This was a movie about robbing a casino... and that&#39;s it. So the only stakes involved is money. That gets a big fat "who cares" in my book. In "The Sting," Redford hooks up with Paul Newman to take down gangster Robert Shaw, because he ordered the murder of Redford&#39;s con artist partner (and even tries to kill Redford). We had a stake in the movie: get that mean son of a bitch who killed Redford&#39;s best friend. This was the undercurrent that ran through the entire movie. It gave all the various con jobs, twists, obstacles and complications a sense of urgency. Now I can hear you saying, "but it&#39;s only a HEIST movie." Yeah okay, but it&#39;s still got to have something going on to engage us, instead of robbing money and everyone posing as cool hipsters, otherwise, who cares? Another deeply disappointing movie is "Vanilla Sky." Now I loved "Fight Club" and "Eyes Wide Shut," so movies with bizarre premises are certainly welcomed with open arms... as long as their not some boring technical exercise in weirdness or one overlong MTV video. Frankly, "Vanilla Sky" movie bored me silly. The reason? Cruise was an arrogant rich snot. So why should I care what happens to him? Oh, and throughout the movie, I kept thinking, "Please, please, please not let this be a &#39;he&#39;s really dead&#39; twist." I loved the Sixth Sense, but that twist is now cliched&#39; beyond belief. I liked how Cameron Crowe twisted the concept, but it was still "same ol&#39; same ol&#39;. Overall, just bored. No one to sympathize with or engage me, so I tuned out early. However, I&#39;ve never been a fan of Penelope Cruise. I could never understand what people saw in her. To my surprise, she&#39;s absolutely radiant and sexy in this movie. She and Cruise have definate chemistry and their scenes together are the best part of the movie.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 5:47 p.m. CST

    That&#39;s more like it, Harry

    by zacdilone

    Wow...a review where Harry spends time actually talking about the FILM. I can&#39;t say whether or not I agree with him (Ocean&#39;s Eleven has yet to make it across the pond), but at least this review is about the merits of the film instead of Harry&#39;s relationship with the filmmakers/actors. Well done, old chap.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 5:49 p.m. CST

    let blockbuster know pan and scan sucks!

    by Nexus-6

    sign this petition, , maybe it will make a difference if enough people sign it. i&#39;m surprised harry hasn&#39;t posted this. shame harry, shame. i apologize for posting off-topic, won&#39;t happen again.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Man, this was a cursing wee Chinaman of a movie!

    by user id indeed!

    That is to say, I dig, man. Of course, I saw it with my arm around a girl, rather than the usual Tub A&#39; Butter Sub. So maybe my disposition was lighter than the average geek&#39;s. And as the immortal George Burns once said, any movie is great if you have a full-blown, raging erection! Or something. Anyway, watch this movie and enjoy it, folks, cuz it&#39;s either this or dogs eating gangster testicles. And, like with Harry, there is no middle ground. Or should I say Middle Earth? Har! And I&#39;ll be seeing that movie with a girl, too, so I guess I should say that THE LORD OF THE RINGS IS GOING TO BE ERECTO-RIFFIC! WOOOOOOOO!! This has been a Moment with User ID Indeed! Maybe this time I can find a girl who won&#39;t scream through the whole damn thing. It would help if she knew my name, I guess. Or that she wasn&#39;t going to die. Which she was. Wait, am I typing all this? Aw, son of a

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Specific Ocean&#39;s 11

    by Skippy

    Saw the flick, thought it was good for what it was, but definitely falls into the "Forget about it 30 minutes after leaving the theatre" category. Best line of the movie by far............. oh I forget.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Oceans 11 Isn&#39;t For Everybody, But I Loved It.

    by The Founder

    The biggest surprise to me was that their were no surprises. I think it&#39;s a matter of taste, some well feal it was to perfectly smooth, and others like to root for the cast to get away, and want everything to go down without a hitch. I&#39;m one of the guys who loved seeing everything go off without a hitch. I think all did a good job, but i have to agree with Harry about Julia, she was boring and had no charisma and screen presence, probably one of her worst performaces. I think this is the what Soderbergh wanted the film to be, but he could have worked a little more on Julia&#39;s character. Bernie Mac was the man, with what little he worked with, and he stole the scenes he were in, how could harry not mention him, Matt was good with the little he worked with, but his character was underexplained. I liked the movie, and I thought Cloney and Pitt were good as well as Cheadle, hell all were decent, the film worked if it&#39;s what you want it to be, but if you want tension, and danger, then it isn&#39;t for you to see.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 6:31 p.m. CST

    "rappaport", "Escape from L.A.", and "missing by a mile"

    by LabRat

    Anyone who uses "Escape from L.A." as an argument point (which I&#39;m hoping was some sort of sarcasm that I missed) loses all credibility. Maybe I wasn&#39;t looking close enough, but I didn&#39;t see the "rappaport" bewteen Clooney and Pitt. Do they swing that way? Did they shave Micahel&#39;s head (a la Higher Learning) and play out some homo-honkey-Nazi-love-slave-fantasy thing? The rapport was between Clooney and Pitt was actually pretty damn cool and Soderbergh had me after the card game. Come on Harry, you didn&#39;t like the scene in front of the fountain where the party went their separate ways? That was fucking sweet!!! Gravity. Realization of accomplishment. Come on Harry this is clearly a popcorn flick that is a great way to spend a Sunday afternoon. No overblown social commentary, just a fun heist film. Maybe only cool people get it? I am not cool. I am computer. I am life. Get it?

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Jackson directing Episode 3

    by Miss Aura

    Do you seriously think that Jackson would direct Episode 3? Lucas would never let him take any of the limelight off himself. If there is one person who is going to mess up episode 3, its going to be George. Why would he give up that opportunity? He has already murdered the name of his creation by releasing The Phantom Menace and from what it looks like he is doing the same with episode 2. Its what George is good at, he wouldnt miss out on the opportunity again. Good on you George, we can rely on you to give us another stinker. OOh! Theres an effect, Ooh! and another, what about the story George? F**k the story look at my dazzling effects, I can make you believe anything. Well George you couldnt make anyone believe Phantom Menace was a good film. Jackson is here now and he knows how to make a good film. I have read the script for Episode 2 and the script is good but with Lucas being in charge of it anything can happen. I cant help thinking that Lucas is going to serve me up some Turkey way past Christmas.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Feel free to go Off-Topic

    by Magnolia-Fan

    Don&#39;t apologize for going off-topic in Talkbacks; lately, there just hasn&#39;t been a wide enough variety of articles on this site in the past two weeks or so (in MOVIES, it&#39;s been pretty much just OCEAN&#39;S ELEVEN, VANILLA SKY and, of course, LOTR:FOTR). Not everyone here&#39;s shitting their pants in anticipation of LOTR:FOTR. Some of us non-fantasy types are a lot more excited over the ROYAL TENENBAUMS. But, to keep my post here vaguely on-topic, I was a wee bit disappointed with OCEAN&#39;S ELEVEN too; from the trailers, I was led to believe that the CASIO EV-660, the coolest hand-held colour TV in the world (&#39;cause I have one) was going to play a lead role, but it was only on the the screen for about 20 seconds, and they covered up the CASIO logo too!

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 7:28 p.m. CST


    by Magic Milkmaid

    Where the fuck was the spoiler warning? AAAARGH!!!!!! Now the two moments of possible tension have been ruined for me too. Brilliant.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Harry Harry HARRY!

    by Mr.Klaw

    I understand that you&#39;re a film geek...that&#39;s why you have this site. I understand that you watch movies in lieu of attempting a normal life (good luck with the diet, btw, I hope things turn out for the best...GRILLED CHICKEN is the secret0. However, when you start comparing films to their scripts (which both you and Moriarty do, also that guy over at CHUD), you are in danger of disappearing up your own ass. I mean, a film basically has 3 authors--the writer, the director, and the studio. At times, the producer comes into it, in a star vehicle, there are other elements, and so on. To judge a movie by what it could have been is dangerous...better to look at the finished project objectively. Would I like to see the junkyard outtakes from Pulp Fiction? Hell yeah. Do I love the few outtakes I&#39;ve seen from the Player? Hell yeah. For that matter, do I like Michael Tolkin&#39;s novel? Hell yeah. Did I love the novel Misery? Hell yeah. Did I quibble with the fact that she didn&#39;t chop his foot off in the film? Hell no. My point, Harry, is that you can go too far. Either enjoy or don&#39;t enjoy the film for what it is, but don&#39;t waste your time and ours comparing it to a screenplay that almost noone has read and almost noone has access to. Mr.Klaw out.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 7:51 p.m. CST

    oh dear...

    by Bobzob

    I must admit I kind of agree with Harry on this. I don&#39;t often agree with him and think he&#39;s a self-important snot with no journalistic credibility whatsoever, but... I found Ocean&#39;s 11 to a be a lacking. I wouldn&#39;t be as harsh as Harry was, it was a GOOD movie, but given the talent involved both behind and in front of the camera, I must say I found the movie did not live up to my expectations. I&#39;d still recommend it for casual film-goers, and there were parts that I liked, but this is Soderbergh weakest movie, despite the amazing cast. What went wrong?

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Soderbergh&#39;s Ocean&#39;s 11 was entertaining, but there is o

    by superninja

    Those guys are just irreplaceable. Soderbergh made a slick, fun film, but even as cheezy as the original was, it was still cooler because of Frank, Deano and Sammy. Those guys lived an endless party as a band of brothers. As I&#39;m sure many of you know, they only made the film so Frank and his buddies could hang out together in Vegas on the studio&#39;s dime. And when they worked together they were magic, and when the set closed, they partied at the Sands and they were magic onstage. I&#39;m sure George, Brad and Julia enjoyed working with each other, but they didn&#39;t have the life-long friendship that the Rat Pack had, and that showed.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Jesus people this is the man who got pisse off when Harry Potter

    by Pat the Stampede

    I liked O-11 it was funny

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 8:09 p.m. CST

    And Harry, good call on the film lacking tension.

    by superninja

    A review I read on mentions the fact that in the original, every character had a reason for robbing the casino that had nothing to do with greed. They were all looking for a way to fix or better their lives. Robbing the casino could either save them, or send them to jail, which is a risky proposition. In the latest version, it&#39;s Clooney doing it to win his girl back, and everyone else is motivated by greed or the thrill of pulling off the biggest casino heist of all time (except for Pitt who seems to be in it to make Clooney happy and hang out with him again - the only relationship in the film that mimicked the original). Both of those points, I suppose, are valid as motivation, but in the film, you just didn&#39;t have anything to latch onto. You knew they were going to get away with it, but it&#39;s not like you were celebrating it for any reason other than the "it can&#39;t be done" formula. This has been done so many times and to ill effect in two recent films: Armageddon and Gone in 60 Seconds. I know Harry liked Armageddon (which I have a love/hate relationship with, because it&#39;s so fucking stupid I just can&#39;t look away), but the only thing that made Ocean&#39;s 11 worth watching was Soderbergh&#39;s direction. Honestly, though, I&#39;m not about to fault the guy for making a fluffy film, given his other efforts. Ocean&#39;s 11 was still entertaining.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 8:42 p.m. CST

    I have to take issue here

    by reedog

    Okay, the heist went along perfectly. Okay, there weren&#39;t huge kinks in the plan. It wan&#39;t tough and edgy. But geuss what??? IT NEVER PRETENDED TO BE THAT. The movie set out to out-cool the coolest guys who ever ruled Vegas. In every trailer and promotional display it never claimed to be anything else than a presentation of coolness. Soderbergh has done plenty of edgy stuff. Did you ever think that maybe he just wanted to do something light for a change. Watching this movie, I wanted Pitt and Clooney to be cool. I didn&#39;t want it to seem like there was something out of their control. I didn&#39;t want the characters to start backstabbing each other at the end. I just wanted to watch these cool guys in cool suits succeed. That&#39;s what I came for and that&#39;s what I got. I don&#39;t know what anybody else came to see.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 9:20 p.m. CST

    overanalyzing Ocean&#39;s 11 defeats the purpose of the movie

    by Brother Putney

    It&#39;s fun. It&#39;s fast. It&#39;s just Soderbergh easing up a little. (and I enjoyed it a hell of a lot more than Vanilla Sky which was... excruciating, phony and a major fumble for Crowe -- some of the conversations felt like bad improv). And though I discourage overanalysis of Ocean&#39;s, I&#39;m curious: if the Chinese guy was going to sneak into the safe in the first place... what was the point of Carl Riner demanding that the &#39;jewels&#39; be put in the safe? Couldn&#39;t the Chinese guy just have put them in his pockets with a lot less trouble? And, hey, another positive factor about the movie: we got to see Nameless Numberhead Man from Schizopolis in a supporting role. I just wish the Coens had agreed to play the Brothers... THAT would&#39;ve been hysterical. Anyway, "Full Frontal" will be out soon enough and I predict it&#39;ll be Soderbergh back in old form.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 9:24 p.m. CST

    if only tarantino had directed OCEANS 11, we would have ourselve

    by mooncake

    OCEANS 11 is simply too gay & lame! sodenburgh was NEVER cool in the 1st place.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Soderbergh vs. tarantino

    by Frank Black

    The Limey and Out of Sight are 100 times smarter and more interesting than anything Tarantino will EVER do! Pull your head out of your ass. Soderbergh is a hard working director with vision and talent and Tarantino is a recycling hack who does nothing but use other peoples ideas and sell them as his own. I like Tarantino, don&#39;t get me wrong, but you simply can&#39;t fairly compare the two. "Ocean&#39;s 11" was good because it wasn&#39;t the same old shoot-em up heist shit with foul language and self-referencing rhetoric. Do your parents know you&#39;re using the computer when you should be brushing your teeth for bed?

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Not burning bridges.

    by MCVamp

    Normally I commend your honesty Harry, but that review (ESPECIALLY the "extra" bits at the end,) sound like you&#39;re tryng to tiptoe around giving this movie a bad review because you don&#39;t want to piss off Steven Soderberg for some reason. I know you criticized Rollerball with no fear, but there&#39;s a difference between McTiernan&#39;s bad side and Soderberg&#39;s, I thinks. Also, Andy Garcia and Julia Roberts&#39;s performances sound like every other movie they&#39;ve been in, so why point out the obvious? Look. The source material blew. How much better could the remake really have been? Why were expectations so high, honestly? It was a star-driven piece, and I hate to say it, but it sounds like you got exactly that and nothing more, and are wondering why for no good reason. Hell, the reason I end up enjoying a lot of George Clooney&#39;s recent movies is because I go in with low expectations and keep getting surprised.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 11:12 p.m. CST


    by Doom II

    Why remake a movie that was slow to begin with? I saw the original recently on a flight to London and I could only take it in small doses. When I heard this movie was being re-made, I thought the original sounded pretty cool. Sinatra, Davis, Martin....The coolest cats around in the 60&#39;s. Well now I know the truth. It is a slooow paced vanity project just like the new one! Both versions remind me of the Cannonball Run movies. They were a blast to make, but not to watch. Vanilla Sky just bumped it to #2 this weekend with a 25 million dollar take, so the audience is obviously falling off a bit. One good thing about the original, is that Norman Fell (Mr. Roper) is in it. That&#39;s pretty cool. By the way...I LOVED Vanilla Sky. I bought the soundtrack an hour after the movie ended. I will also buy the DVD as soon as it is released. Vanilla Sky was better than Planet Of The Apes, Tomb Raider and American Pie 2 put together! You may hate me now, but that would be YOUR problem. Make mine a Cameron Crowe picture any day!

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Carl Reiner

    by DeweyTime

    Although he was good and I enjoyed watching him, Carl Reiner&#39;s character was absolutely useless.

  • Dec. 16, 2001, 11:14 p.m. CST was Eddie Griffin?

    by Elgyn6655321


  • Dec. 16, 2001, 11:31 p.m. CST

    it was just so suave

    by elsuave

    i enjoyed oceans eleven...smooth. i understand why many might call it boring but it was just suave to wheres my drink?

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 12:09 a.m. CST

    To Kid/A

    by CASE

    "WHEN DID THIS SITE GET OVERRAN BY A BUNCH OF MINDLESS FUCKS WHOSE FAVORITE FILM IS PROBABLY ARMAGEDDON?" Answer: When it was created. Harry loves Armageddon. It moved him to tears. P.S. I liked Ocean&#39;s 11 and Vanilla Sky. Harry&#39;s opinion means nothing to me.

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Harry Knowles has the WORST taste in movies...

    by MOSDEF

    I learned that a long time ago... This is the guy who declared BLOW to be as good as GOODFELLAS, compared HANNIBAL with THE BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN, you get my point. He&#39;s a shill, plain and simple.

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 12:37 a.m. CST

    A Petition For Jackson To Direct Episode 3? Yeah, That&#39;ll Wo

    by Buzz Maverik which the two-fist archeologist adventurer sets out to find the guy who made AMERICAN GRAFFITI and STAR WARS and replace this thing that&#39;s taken his place.

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 1:26 a.m. CST

    A problem with one thing you said in particular

    by deathsavatar

    I quote: "If this was a Joel Schumacher film, I&#39;d say it was quite good. For Steven Soderbergh, who has never made a movie that I didn&#39;t adore. Fun? " It is not your place as a critic to rate a movie based on the is your place to rate a movie on the movie. The movie is what it is...if this exact same movie had a different credit for a director, then it would still be the same movie you bashed through your whole review. Also, you say every character is just a version of clooney? How? I just don&#39;t see it...Sorry Harry, you&#39;ve let me down on this one.

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Soderbergh makes mediocre films

    by phil dearly

    I&#39;m gonna have to agree with Harry here on several points. True, the film is completely tension free (unlike Mamet&#39;s wonderful HEIST). It is also very unoriginal and uninspired. I, like Harry, was eagerly looking forward to the film for about a year now. It doesn&#39;t deliver the goods. Soderbergh has never made a great film in my opinion. TRAFFIC, OUT OF SIGHT. THE LIMEY and ERIN BROCKOVICH were completely average. TRAFFIC was slow, ugly-looking and presented absolutely nothing original about drugs (except of course for the ridiculous "cocaine doll", anybody remember the "weed" van in that Cheech and Chong movie?). It was loaded with cliche&#39;s like Michael Douglas stammering and stuttering his way through a press conference for five minutes only to not finish it and walk away from the podium (gee, I didn&#39;t see that coming). Michael Douglas&#39; daughter has the obligatory scene where she has to go the black crack dealer&#39;s house for a fix (only saw that scene five or six times that year). The ending felt false with Douglas&#39; daughter in rehab and we&#39;re now supposed to believe that she&#39;s gonna be fine? Yeah, sure, once people go into rehab, they never use drugs again, (right Mr. Downey Jr.?). Dennis Quaid&#39;s charcter&#39;s demise was a cliche seen as least once a week on your choice of police dramas on television (the hitmen are already right there conveniently). Also, Zeta-Jones transformation was completely unbelievably. (Naive housewife to "cocaine doll"-inventing drug lord... "I want you to shoot him in the head!", gimme a break!) OUT OF SIGHT was also a film that brought nothing original to the table (best parts: Don Cheadle, Steve Zahn and Michael Keaton&#39;s cameo). THE LIMEY was simply an exercise in different editing techniques. It&#39;s a "B" movie with some innovative editing. If it had linear editing, it would have been a completely standard revenge flick. (Best part: Luis Guzman). and ERIN BROCKOVICH, well hell, anybody could&#39;ve directed this. I saw it a year earlier as "A Civil Action". (Best part: Julia Roberts getting hit by another car in an unbroken shot--pretty neat). Let&#39;s not forget about KAFKA (if you can stay awake through it), SCHIZOPOLIS (some funny bits) and SEX, LIES AND VIDEOTAPE (not bad, but not very good either). Soderbergh&#39;s best and most original film so far: KING OF THE HILL. He has not yet made an exciting film that bowls the viewer over. By the way, "Vanilla Sky" was also very mediocre. (Best and most unforgettable part: I swallowed your ***, doesn&#39;t that count for something?"---the only part that stuck with me.) Worst part: REM song during the alley scene (before the splice.) Monday, I see Black Hawk Down and Royal Tennebaums. Tuesday, I see Majestic and LOTR. It should be a good week. So remember, when life give&#39;s you potatoes, make potato salad. When life gives you shit, make shit salad! Time to go play Wheel of Fortune!

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 2:16 a.m. CST

    wasn&#39;t Bill Murray supposed to be in this film

    by phil dearly

    I remember distinctly seeing his name in the credits on imdb. He was supposed to play "Lounge singer Nick". (I immediately thought of his character from SNL and thought it was a great idea.) Obviously, credits on imdb are subject to change, but this sounded like it could be true. Anyone know anything about this? please post.

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Agreed on all points

    by DouglasAH

    Clooney is cool in this movie, but he was just as cool in Three Kings, playing practically the same character, with a lot more going wrong around him. Brad Pitt seems to be barely in this one, the whole EMP thing was a load of crap, and glosses over the fact that this was basically a terrorist attack, and that an EMP burst big enough to knock the lights out in a whole city would probably bring down airliners, too. Julia Roberts is not even remotely hot in this movie, and she magically falls back in love with Clooney when Andy Garcia turns down an offer to hand over 160 million bucks for her. The trouble with this little moment is that, any reasonable person, even any chick, would understand passing up that kind of "bargain."

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 3:39 a.m. CST

    What About The Ending?? (SPOILERS)

    by oldmanperiwinkle

    You can say what you want about the original OCEAN&#39;S ELEVEN (I personally think it is very entertaining and, although somewhat slow paced, not in the least bit boring) but at least the original had a COOL ENDING. This movie does nothing more than stagger to a conclusion, with a whimper, and then, of all goddamn things, simply set up a sequel...there is no ending to this movie! No surprise, no twist, no nothing!! That is bullshit. I went to this movie to see how they would rework the original brilliant finale, and couldn&#39;t believe what they did...I did like the scene with the boys standing around the fountain, but it would have been better to follow suit with some sort of final shocker...the original movie was about a bunch of (mostly) non-criminals who pull of an amazing heist...this is a stupid revenge god, the inspiration isn&#39;t even the heist, just a stupid "Hollywood Style" boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy gets girl back cliche...oy vey...on a positive note, the film was not boring, and had some good moments (Bernie Mac and Damon in the interrogation room, any time Elliott Gould was onscreen, and the final fountain scene) and, for the most part, kept my interest until the end...but I take that back...there was no end...just a teaser for "Oceans&#39;s 12"

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 7:05 a.m. CST


    by bluemartini

    Surely you mean the best casino heist movie was 3000 miles to graceland.... apart from this blatant error, good review, thanks for the warning

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Am I last?

    by NerdBird

    Years ago, SCTV when it was at its prime, did an indepth parody of Ocean&#39;s Eleven called "Maudlin&#39;s Eleven" (after the overwrought lounge singer Sammy Maudlin -- but if you were a fan of SCTV I need say no more). I don&#39;t know if it was every released to video, but it was everything this movie was not. It was a true comedic gem. Everyone involved in this pointless remake of "O11" should hang their head in shame. Other than that, great review.

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 10:27 a.m. CST

    my two cents & phil dearly&#39;s ?

    by mothlight

    Bill Murray was going to do this but it conflicted w/ Royal Tenenbaums (he made a good choice). The people defending this film say "it was supposed to be about nothing and forgetable and it was fun". What&#39;s so fun about watching a forgetable movie about nothing? So Soderbergh did what he set out to do. Does that automatically make it good? Someone in an earlier TB said "You can&#39;t tell me you didn&#39;t have a big stupid grin on your face when Pitt lifted up that visor and his face was illuminated green, or during the air freshener shot, or when Cheadle grabbed his crotch? The movie had hundreds of classic moments." A shot of an air freshener? (which was actually funny in the context of the film) Someone grabbing their crotch? A face illuminated by a green light? That&#39;s classic? The most laughter I heard in the theater was when I was heckling it. And Soderbergh made one of my favorite films, Schizopolis (and he&#39;s supposed to be doing a sequel: the world needs more films like that). Anywho, O&#39;s 11 barely sustained itself for me, but I&#39;m glad some of you liked it. Clooney&#39;s a one-trick pony. Bernie Mac&#39;s a funny fellow. I&#39;m out.

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 11:30 a.m. CST

    That is dead on, Harry.

    by tonyblac

    I laughed twice, never felt any tension, I didn&#39;t even get a stiffy looking at Julia! *SPOILER* Of course, the big guys WERE following them at the end. I guess that&#39;s Sod&#39;s way of telling us that they are all gonna be killed, but they didn&#39;t spell it out enough to turn off a dumbass test audience.

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Your out of your mind

    by Blok Narpin

    Out of Sight, Traffic, and The Limey were great but Ocean&#39;s 11 was Soderbergh&#39;s best movie to date. It&#39;s suspencful, exciting, witty, and FUN. Excpet for Julia Roberts (who sucks in everything she does) the film is perfectly cast. I don&#39;t understand how a few months ago you could praise that AWEFUL Sixth Sense rip-off , The Others, and say this movie is "lifeless". This is one remake that is MUCH better then the original and as one who is opposed to the very IDEA of remakes that says a lot.

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 3:13 p.m. CST

    I like Ocean&#39;s 11

    by dorisday

    I loved Ocean&#39;s 11 - it was really cool and took it&#39;s time telling a fun story. I&#39;d see it a third time rather than gag on the America that never existed in "The Majestic" See, I can&#39;t stand Jim Carrey - never have. So I&#39;m enjoying all the bad press "The Majestic" is getting. Can anyone buy Jimbo&#39;s "oh, I&#39;m such a nice guy" act? Jimbo screwed any chance of credibility with his "how was your weekend" smirk at the Oscars a while back. Some nerve, creep. The first row is full of hardworking low-paid indie-gods, all nominated for oscars and you&#39;re gloating because the "Liar Liar" made 30 million the previous weekend. Yeah, you&#39;re real class. I would like to have seen Geoffrey Rush or BillyBob Thornton kick him off the stage for that. He&#39;ll win an oscar all right - when they have a category for mimicry or tripping on cue.

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 3:53 p.m. CST

    I liked it but...

    by madmaxmedia

    I can see Harry&#39;s criticisms of the movie. It&#39;s no big deal either way. The movie was not the Second Coming or anything. But I don&#39;t care how great the other script was, Brett Ratner sucks and the movie would have been worse with him at the helm.

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 4:39 p.m. CST

    I think I preferred the Filthy Critics review...

    by BigW

    ...although he does seem to have some sort of axe to grind with Harry for some reason. PS - despite what Filthy says, I do love your site Harry!

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 4:57 p.m. CST

    A dark day in the mid-nineties...

    by Logisch

    <a cabal of prominent movie critics are hanging out at one of their many secret cabal-of-prominent-movie-critics parties> ***CRITIC 1: Hey guys, you know what would be really funny? Like, we could all find some really super-shitty director, right, and all pretend that we like him, just to see if all the petty fools who follow us blindly would start thinking he&#39;s really good! ***CRITIC 2: Brilliant! And then we wouldn&#39;t even have to watch his movies, we could just say they&#39;re good immediately! ***CRITIC 3: What the hell are you talking about? We don&#39;t watch any movies anyway. ***CRITIC 1: And I know just the guy, too! You guys saw sex, lies, and videotape, right? ***CRITIC 4: I saw parts of it. Everyone else seemed to think it was good. ***CRITIC 2: You wrote a very eloquent review, I thought. ***CRITIC 4: Thanks! ***CRITIC 1: Well, I did see it accidentally, and it was terrible! And even worse, I saw the movie he made right after that, which is too embarrassing to talk about. ***CRITIC 3: Intriguing! Let&#39;s do it! ***CRITIC 4: Great! Do you think people will really fall for it? ***CRITIC 2: Yeah, probably, though you&#39;d think they&#39;ll catch on eventually. Might take a while, though...

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Maybe they should&#39;ve remade "The Hot Rock" or "The Bank Job"

    by BlackBanana

    I&#39;m in partial agreement with Harry. Nothing was really at stake here. However if the goal of this film was to capture the cool-factor of the original and nothing more, I&#39;d say it succeeded. It epitomized "coolness". I was disappointed that a film with so many great actors came in under 2hrs with little or no character development. There was clearly a lot more story to be told here.

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 7:55 p.m. CST


    by HuggyBear

    The movie rocked, you lifeless, desensitized, fat fuck. HuggyBear (tells it like it is) --

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 8:52 p.m. CST

    I agree with Harry, sort of

    by Private Ryan

    I had a good time with this movie, but yes, I had some of the same problems you did. Especially Clooney and Pitt&#39;s characters- they both played the same, cool, in control guy. Carl Reiner was pretty good, Matt Damon was nervous and not much more, Don Cheadle was underused, and the rest of the cast barely existed. There was very little tension, I will agree with that. The lead up to the heist was not all that interesting. But the heist itself was clever and fun. The scene where Andy Garcia realizes he has just been fucked is pretty cool. I hated the scene where the guys stare at the fountain as the camera pans. I think that the idea of Vega being Disneyfied, having no place for a rat pack today, should definetly have been included. Overall, a disapointment, but a fun and entertaining one with some sharp dialouge. I enjoyed myself, but it could have been a classic heist movie. And no, David Mamet&#39;s Heist was not better. There were just too many double crosses, it got ridiculous and illogical. But Gene Hackman was great in that one, and would have made a welcome addition to Danny Ocean&#39;s crew- because he had some sort of personality. That performance is a great little preview of his wonderful work in Wes Anderson&#39;s newest masterpiece "The Royal Tenenbaums."

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Quick question

    by Logisch

    Oh yeah... I&#39;ve been told that in the original the dudes were old war buddies... are they in this one, or was that entirely lost in the update?

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 10:05 p.m. CST


    by SignorBassanio

    Has the guy aged or what?

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Standing Ovation for Harry

    by JohnnyBarrett

    Finally a dissenting voice. I love Soderbergh and I hate Ocean&#39;s 11. Thanks Harry.

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 11:04 p.m. CST


    by marlonv


  • Dec. 17, 2001, 11:18 p.m. CST


    by marlonv

    julia was not supposed to be sexy and alluring. she was the breath of fresh air for men. she was classy. for a second, i thought those guys would start ripping their clothes off because they were all wearing suits. she was the girl and i cannot believe they didn&#39;t give her too much to do. is she doing another disappearance act because she got too exposed again,it happened in the 90s. full frontal would be better. we get to see her blonde and with a black guy as a lover, blair underwood

  • Dec. 17, 2001, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Harry&#39;s Ocean&#39;s Eleven Review

    by thepride

    You are absolutely right, Harry! This film was a real letdown. First of all, what did Andy Garcia&#39;s character do that was so bad that we were supposed to root for him to be ripped off and humiliated? Go out with Julia Roberts while her loser boyfriend was in the slammer? Big deal! And what was so great about Roberts&#39; character that Danny Ocean would risk blowing the operation on day one just to see her? What was up with that ludacris ending? I suppose anyone can get SWAT trucks and uniforms at the drop of a hat. Why was the movie so dreary and grainy? Nice move using 70&#39;s Shaft-like tunes instead of Rat Pack stuff. This was an under-average heist movie, with no character development, plot motivation details or believable comraderie. Dull.

  • Dec. 18, 2001, 12:25 a.m. CST

    One thing that was interesting about Ocean&#39;s 11

    by superninja

    Soderbergh was experimenting. The director was having fun making a movie. He did things he hasn&#39;t done before. I don&#39;t think it justified this movie being made, but that was, in the end, what I really enjoyed about it. The story didn&#39;t come together because there is no history between the actors, which is what the original was based on. The Rat Pack will never be recreated. Maybe another version will emerge, but it will never replace Frank and his boys.

  • Dec. 18, 2001, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Steve SoderBORE&#39;S snooze fest!

    by BONER4

    You nailed that review Harry. Ocean&#39;s Eleven is one big snooze fest. Nothing I can add except for this. Clooney, Pitt, Garcia, Damon, Roberts and everyone else in the picture should be arrested and jailed for stealin&#39; money. Not the money in the movie. But the money from the studios who paid them millions to do well.......NOTHING. Talk about walking through roles without one bit of characterization. Pitt literally does nothing. There isn&#39;t a character of any kind in his performance I mean NOTHING! Clooney is suave alright but he is also a Raging Bore. Clooney drones on and on with the energy of a corpse. Matt Damon? Are u kidding me? He walks through his role as if he never knew he was supposed to be performing in a movie. He does nothing. And on an on. There is no juice in this picture. No jazz. No energy. No spark. It&#39;s clear to me that SoderBORE told everone NOT TO ACT. NOT TO PERFORM. NOT TO DO ANYTHING. JUST BE THEMSELVES. He was obviosly under the impression that the sheer personalites of the actors would carry the picture. But let&#39;s face it. Clooney, Pitt Garcia and Damon SEEM to be generally not the most enthralling people in the world in real life judging from their interviews. So since THEY DON&#39;T ACT in this movie the whole thing is one big snooze fest. Literally nothing on screen TO WATCH. Ocean&#39;s Alive is one dead fish and all of those million dollar perfomers should be shamed of themselves for mailing it in.

  • Dec. 18, 2001, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Ocean&#39;s Eleven > Vanilla Sky

    by MasterDebater

    I found "Ocean&#39;s Eleven" to be a vibrant and totally rewarding MOVIE. Soderbergh set out to make a spectacular piece of candy, and I think he accomplished his goal brilliantly. And for the record, I thought the scenes with Clooney and Pitt in them just oozed charisma. They reminded me a lot of how much charisma Soderbergh elicited from Clooney and Jennifer Lopez in "Out of Sight." I think Clooney and Pitt were the real amorous core of this picture, not Clooney and Roberts. Switching gears, although I love Cameron Crowe, I thought "Vanilla Sky" was self-indulgent pap. I couldn&#39;t believe the maker of so many ordinary-people-daring-to-be-extraordinary films could churn out that pretentious drivel about a rich Peter-Pan&#39;s well-deserved meltdown. Someone please get Mr. Crowe away from freak-religious, purported-heterosexual Tom Cruise&#39;s influence!

  • Dec. 18, 2001, 3:39 p.m. CST

    I used to agree with Harry on everything, but now...

    by D.R. Garrett

    when I first started reading this site a few years ago, I used to agree with Harry on virtually all of his reviews. Then Godzilla came, and it has been downhill since then. I thought Ocean&#39;s 11 was fun, entertaining, maybe not tense, but it certianly wasn&#39;t the mess that Harry makes it out to be. The cinematography is perfect. The colors, the lighting really evoke a sense of that &#39;Las Vegas-ness." The techinicals weren&#39;t the only enjoyable things about the iflm either. Bernie Mac is a fuckin riot. "Cracker." I&#39;m laughing now just remembering him. Those brothers were hysterical, too. (but hell, even the brother act in Out Cold was pretty funny. It&#39;s just a routine that is hard to fuck up). I will grant hat Julia Roberts seemed entirely out of place. Did anyone else notice how ungainly she was walking around in that silly gold outfit? Her preformance really distracted me from what I think was a very fun movie which never claimed to be high art (or an all out action flik).

  • Dec. 18, 2001, 4:36 p.m. CST

    You wanna know why...

    by Angry Catholic

    ....this movie blows? Simple.This film is aimed not at guys but at chicks! Guys on on this site clearly went in expecting a Pupl Fiction Style flick...Instead they got Erin Brockovich does a heist...BORING!!!! Think i&#39;m nuts when you cast Pitt, Cloney, Damon, and Garicia pay them all top dollar, plus a precentage of the gross you make sure those actors base audience (chicks) are happy...Edgy Pulp Fiction style drama does not appeal to em...Thank you gloria...

  • Dec. 18, 2001, 4:37 p.m. CST

    You wanna know why...

    by Angry Catholic

    ....this movie blows? Simple.This film is aimed not at guys but at chicks! Guys on on this site clearly went in expecting a Pupl Fiction Style flick...Instead they got Erin Brockovich does a heist...BORING!!!! Think i&#39;m nuts when you cast Pitt, Cloney, Damon, and Garicia pay them all top dollar, plus a precentage of the gross you make sure those actors base audience (chicks) are happy...Edgy Pulp Fiction style drama does not appeal to em...Thank you gloria...

  • Dec. 20, 2001, 11:47 p.m. CST

    I hate when this happens

    by oldstyle

    I really hate when a movie like Ocean&#39;s 11 comes out. I remember a year ago Harry saying this would be the biggest movie of the 2001. That scared me. I was dumbfounded by the cast. There&#39;s no way that everything could go right for this movie, it was set up too perfectly, and could go nowhere but down. And sitting in the theater, I witnesses the downward spiral I had spent building up for a whole year. Ah, but the movie also comes as a relief to me. Maybe it will teach Soderbergh a leson about the direct correlation between hollywood and shit, and he will run away screaming. I say that lightly. What I mean is, I guess the answer is, I&#39;m not sure why... I just hope that Soderbergh comes out and says that this movie is more than a movie about nothing, that it is in fact: The Ultimate Hollywood Movie. And I&#39;d say, SUCCESS MAN! Idea: Bryan Singer makes a reremake of Ocean&#39;s 11 with his cast from the Usual Suspects and shows he can make a movie about nothing that is actually cool. How fun is it to play around with who would replace who. Baldwin for Clooney.. or Pitt. Del Toro for Bernie Mac. Gabriel Bryne for Garcia. Spacey for Cheadle(who needs the accent?). Given you&#39;d have to do some extra recruiting, but hey, its just an idea. "Canyaheremeindaback?"

  • Dec. 23, 2001, 6:26 a.m. CST

    still waiting...

    by ShawarmaV

    Yup, you nailed it. Shoulda, coulda, woulda... I&#39;m still waiting. The entire movie was a like waiting for a table at a really nice restaurant, watching 2 hours tick by, and then having them apologize and tell you there&#39;s no tables left and they&#39;re closing. I saw the potential for a great meal, it&#39;s too bad I&#39;m still hungry.

  • Dec. 27, 2001, 4:59 p.m. CST

    steven soderbergh makes a bad film?, no godamn way!

    by kevinsmithfreak

    All my friends hated Traffic, i loved it. I&#39;ll be looking forward to Ocean&#39;s 11 when it opens here in January. never mind Stevie i still love ya!

  • Jan. 8, 2002, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Ocean&#39;s 11

    by TheDarkKnight

    Disappointed, Let down, frustrated. I entered hoping for a caper that could rival "The Sting" but I left with a heavy heart. What a wasted opportunity buy a bunch of talented/powerful people.

  • Jan. 29, 2002, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Oceans 11

    by SparklingDiamond

    OMG i watched this film and totally wondered where the time went!soooo when u can sit through a film and say omg its over all ready then thats a good movie!!!!! plus brad pitt is in this movie and that helps! mucho grande

  • Feb. 4, 2002, 8:02 p.m. CST

    This movie is sooo average

    by JacksonsBane

    I was v.dissapointed. The Score was much better. I would have loved Guy Ritchie to do this movie. For a great heist movie check out The League Of Gentlemen. Made in 1960 - I love it.

  • April 2, 2002, 12:51 a.m. CST

    high expectations = dissapointment

    by JochenKMD

    This review read like harry was expecting a chocolate ice cream cone, and recieved mint chocolate chip instead. I thought this movie was excellent, but it certainly was not your standard Vegas heist movie, there is no question about that. You will be nothing but disappointed if you try to use that as a metric. I thought this movie was very inventive - heist movies nearly always have something go wrong. I was expecting it. I spent the whole movie picking their plan apart, trying to find the hole they left open. Right when I thought I had found it, it becomes part of the plan. The characters were cool and collected, certainly. If they weren&#39;t, then this movie would not be what it is.

  • April 23, 2002, 9:57 p.m. CST

    I Liked It More that That BUT................

    by ro828

    it fell completely apart at the end. If you haven&#39;t seen it and are watching it on tape or DVD stop the tape at the end of the scene at the fountains. If you go on, there&#39;s an awful scene where Danny gets out of prison and is reunited with Tess. The same Tess who said of her new boyfriend that he didn&#39;t make her laugh but he didn&#39;t make her cry, either. Danny is an irresponsible adolescent in a grown-up body who now has several million dollars that he can never dare spend. Boy, that&#39;s a reason for her to go back to him. And am I the only person who&#39;s noticed that George Clooney plays the same character over and over, not matter what movie he&#39;s in. This, OUT OF SIGHT, O BROTHER, STORM, lovable rogues with no variation at all.

  • Oct. 3, 2003, 9:49 p.m. CST


    by chandlerfan

    1. Have to agree with the guy who tells Harry to compare scripts with actually appears on screen. 2. In reply to another comment, the original rat pack did not enjoy a lifelong friendship. I remember seeing a documentary on Dean Martin, which detailed how he and Sinatra fell out. (corrections welcome) 3. To Frank Black, very funny last line in your post, it made me laugh. Don't agree with your comments on Tarantino. I know Reservoir Dogs was based on "City on Fire" but "Dogs" was a far superior movie. Jackie Brown was based on Rum Punch, but that's no revelation. Exactly what were "Pulp Fiction", "True Romance", and "Natural Born Killers" recycled from? This is not meant as a smart remark, I'm curious. Isn't Kill Bill an original Tarantino idea? To TonyBlac But didn't Clooney, Pitt and Roberts know they were being followed? To Blok Nairpin. She was terrific in Erin Brokvitch (or however it's spelt) She was also very good in a "Law and order" episode. To Logisch. Huh! I though this was a great movie. It did what it set out to do and did it perfectly. Clooney and Pitt are no Newman and Redford in the screen partnership stakes though. If Pitt was bored, how come he's on the DVd. I thought he needs the money, if he got any for it. I saw Machine Gun Mcain years ago. I have a lot of time for Cassavettes, Falk, and Rowlands. But saying that it's better than Oceans 11 is silly. Carl Reiner stole the show. The original was only average.

  • Aug. 23, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    this was the only decent one

    by just pillow talk

    Think anyone saw your comments chandlerfan? Huh? I'm talking to you!<p>My comment, on the other hand, will be viewed by millions....