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The Latest Word On The Film World Based on Chuck Palahniuk's Works!
Harry here with the latest on that dangerous world of film sprouted from the root of all evil (riiiiiiiiiiiiiight) named Chuck Palahniuk. You know that FIGHT CLUB guy. Ah, now while we walk in the politically correct aftermath of our current historical place and time, his future, cinematically speaking, is certainly in question, but let's hear the latest...
Hello Harry,
I'm sending this incase anyone out there shares similar interests with me.
A few weeks ago Chuck Palahniuk came to Western Oregon University for a
reading. Chuck Palahniuk is the author of 'Survivor', 'Invisible Mosters',
'Choke' and the cult classic in which the film was based on 'Fight Club'.
Chuck read from Fight Club and Choke and let also let a friend of his read
from her novel in progress. During Q&A Chuck told us about how everyone has
a different meaning for Fight Club. He spoke of a stweard who told Chuck
that he knew Fight Club was really about "that whole gay thing." Chuck
humored him "Don't tell anybody" and recieved free drinks for the rest of
the flight.
Anyway, now for the good stuff.
Choke will most likely be made into a motion picture and the screenplay has
or will be written by Chuck.
Fire-Proof Films has a lead for the rights of Invisible Monsters, which has
no garrentee but Parker Posey has been given a copy of the book.
Lullaby, Palahniuk's latest creation due to be in book stores in September
2002 has little but some movie prospects and rumour has it that David
Fincher (Seven, Fight Club) is interested.
And then there is poor Survivor which the idea of a movie has been pulled
out of the question because studios are trying to steer clear of new
projects based around plane hijackings after the attacks.
That's all for now.
This is Cantankerous Crab, over and out.
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A sad all that what happened was, I just hate what it has done to the movies. Is really so bad if someone makes a terrorist movie, about airplanes?
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Not surprisingly, I'm up to my ears re-reading LOTR so I haven't gotten around to reading it.
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"This is fish number six hundred and forty-one in a lifetime of goldfish. My parents bought me the first one to teach me about loving and caring for another living breathing creature of God. Six hundred and forty fish later, the only thing I know is everything you love will die. The first time you meet that someone special, you can count on them one day being dead and in the ground."
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Survivor has it's moments. It lacks the punch of Fight Club or Choke, but it still has a lot of cool passages. Plus -- it gives some great household tips for the nurturing cultist in us all.
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excellent book, excellent. i think that would make the best movie of CP's novels which AREN'T Fight Club.
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...that lobster scene had better stay IN.
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So there thinking of making more Palaniuk novels into films. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise. Palaniuk is a genius. I haven't read Choke yet, though. I'm personally waiting for the Invisible Monsters movie. What do you think, Angelina Jolie as Brandy Alexander. Though, Parker Posey is an interesting choice. For Surviver, I'm thinking maybe Tim Robbins has the right voice (what I call Palaniuk's Edward Norton narrative voice). Just watch The Player. Robbins is great with satire. These films will be great if they can assemble the same people involved in Fight Club. I'm talking to you, David Fincher and Jim Uhls.
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You're right about Hollywood but look at how Fight Club came out! The best film of the 90's and probably the most socially relevant to the time. Palahniuk's novels are way too rough for John Q. Hack Director to even think about tackling. Think about it: Clockwork Orange was the type of flick that Stanley Kramer or Norman Jewison couldn't have done... it took a maverick like Kubrick to bring it to the screen... same goes for Palahniuk's work... Spielberg wouldn't go near him with a ten foot pole covered in antibacterial ointment and a pack of Trojans. So, rest easy, my friend. The right people will find their way to the projects. I'm positive of it.
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Right after Fight Club came out the popular rumour (that I swear I read on here also) was Kevin Spacey was interested in Survivor as was Gwenyth Paltrow of all people.
Personally, I think Spacey and Robbins would be a bit too old for the role and Norton is always pegged as the Palahunik hero since Fight Club. If they do Survivor,they shouldn't use Norton or the general public will think it's Fight Club 2. -
And the studios are really singeing my pubes this time. Yes, the hero of this story is crashing a plane into the Australian outback, but its just the setup to such a remarkable tale... the planes empty... its harmless-- oh god Shaggy was just singing for the gap! WHY!?!*whispering* the horror... *falls off chair, curls up into fetal position* ...the horror...
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Dec 04, 2001 4:05:37 PM CST
Before Ridley Scott does his sloshy washy Sex/suspence supreme h
by crankyoldgeek
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I have my doubts.
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Who would she play? She is not nearly DIVA enough for Brandy Alexander, and her talents would be all but wasted as the lead (with almost no dialogue, any actress would be all but wasted).
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Dec 04, 2001 5:52:03 PM CST
Interesting question for the casting of "invisible Monsters"...
by lesterb
Do you cast a man or a woman as Brandy Alexander? I think Angelina Jolie is a neat choice, especially if Parker Posey is playing "St. Daisy" (I like Renee Zellweger better though). And what about Seth? My choice when reading the book was Paul Walker, if for no other reason than because he's so damn good-looking. And Fincher should direct this, there's no other choice. That being said, I was actually pretty unimpressed with "Invisible Monsters". It seemed like Fincher was just rehashing everything he said in "Fight Club", changing only a few major details. I'm starting "Survivor" now, and it also seems to be pretty similar. I'm starting to wonder if Palahniuk was a one-hit wonder. I mean, having a thematic through-line in all your work is one thing, but can we at least get a LITTLE more creative?
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When it comes to capturing CP's wit, you cannot follow the advise given by one poster and let Jim Uhls(Fight Club) adapt it. All Uhls did was formulize an unformulaic book, all the great lines ('If I had a tumor, I'd name it Marla') were done by the master of modern prose Andrew Kevin Walker (Se7en), the rest of the great dialogue was ad-libbed by members of the Fight Club cast and crew. Check out the end credits and look at the names of the castrating cops
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I vehemently disagree that a good actress is wasted in a role with no dialogue, speaking both as an actor and as a filmgoer. Watch Holly Hunter in "The Piano" or Patty Duke in "The Miracle Worker". It's not the lines that are important, it's the subtext and the emotion. If whoever plays the lead can put on the tortured eyes behind the veil, then that's a more than satisfactory performance.
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It's a tricky thing trying to make movies out of his books (I've read them all). Fight Club was a great adaptation, but there is the risk that some less qualified director will ruin the subject matter. However, I must say that if it were not for Fight Club the movie I probably would have never have picked up any of his other books.
As far as movies go, I read on the Chuck Palahnuick website that the man himself said he liked Kevin Spacey as Tender. But I was thinking Philip Seymor Hoffman when I read it. But as noted, after 9/11 it'll be hard to have a guy hijaking a plane in a movie, the protagonist nonetheless. BTW on his website there is an explanation as to the hidden meaning to the end of Survivor.
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To whoever said Invisible Monsters was just rehashing Fight Club, remember that it was written before Fight Club but wasn't publshed until after
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Perosnally, I always pictured Matthew McCaugnahey as tender, Owen Wilson as Adam and Heather Graham (dyed red a la From Hell) as Fertility. Ehh, maybe it's just me. Choke, I agree it'd make a great movie, but I'm drawing a blank on casting. Lord knows Hollywood would probably fuck taht up by casting Freddie Prinze Jr. as Victor. Hopefully cooler heads prevail. And as for Invisible Monsters..... I'd just like to see that shit get MADE. And made RIGHT.
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Ok,for Survivor.Edward Norton as Tender.I know,I know but it will work.Just imagine him giving tips on how to get stains out of shirts w/ that voice.And Alicia Witt as Fertility she got passed up in Spiderman so give her this.For Invisible Monsters thats tricky.Only because the book went out of control towards the end.I agree on Parker Posey.And Choke,hmmm.Vince Vaughn as Victor it would really work.I need to read these again though.I hope all of C.P's books are adapted and of course done right.
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Not that I want to argue, but fight club is not about abandoning corporate shackles and getting intouch with our masculinity. I mean, that's what the character does in the movie, but that doesn't meant that's what the movie's about. It's almost the opposite. Not that it promotes corporate stuff, but it's a study about how we choose to disconnect ourself from one way of thinking or belief, while at the same time replacing it with another way of thinking or belief that is just as bad. Or something like that. Either way, it's not a critic of our corporate over run world, those were just the character's feelings.
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I am not part of the Fight Club film cult. While Fincher did an absolutely bang up job capturing the look of the film (perhaps the only adaptation that looked exactly like what was in my head), I felt he lost me in the film's tone. I thought I was going to see Taxi Driver and instead I witnessed the Matrix. Amping up the social satire angle distanced the movie from its core of alienation and repression. I certainly expected a darker film from the guy who made my heart stop with se7en. I am a huge fan of CP's books and personally think Monsters is his best one. But it's unfilmable in any decent way. The main charcter could not be looked at for 2 hours by almost any audience and besides that she can't SPEAK! You could solve the first by using the veil but then what? Honestly she is one of the best female charcters in literature since Smilla and it is going to be gut wrenching to see her lost in a vain cinematic attempt. The book is all in her head. It demands 1st person. It's highly subjective. Survivor is incredibly filmable with enough ideas for 20 books but is I think his weakest one with a rather soggy middle after a dynamite first third. Still it's no shock it is being shelved. Lullaby should be interesting. Gotta admit though even if they fuck up these books, the source material is 100% better then almost anything else out there. Maybe Britney Spears should option one for her company. HEHEHEHEHEHEHE. America's sweetheart (and jerk off fantasy) IS brandy alexander! Adios...
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I've read all the books except Invisible Monsters. I think that Survivor is the weakest of the books.
The book really sizzles until Tender becomes a mega star, and finds his brother Adam. Then the book kind of meananders and loses its edge.
Anyway, I would much rather see Choke as a movie. It has more bite, and a pretty optomistic ending. And yes, I think the "faux" rape scene would be hilarious to see.
Wouldn't the woman who played the mother on Soprano's have made a perfect mom for the adaptation?
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Dec 05, 2001 10:12:18 AM CST
Since Tender Branson has to be able to look both hideous and bea
by vegas
I'd go with Matt Damon as Tender and Christina Ricci or Thora Birch as Fertility. I also think Christian Bale would be great as Tender, but that's just me.
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Preach on...
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Think about it! Terry Gilliam's the perfect director to handle a book like Survivor. Survivor's got a sense of humour that doesn't make a heavy presence know, with the total absurdity of the things that happen to the characters: the lobster scene, the Pornfill, to name a few examples. Terry's got the chops to take on the book, guaranteed. Look at 12 Monkeys, Fear and Loathing, TIME BANDITS!!! Brazil. All what you would call serious films with a surreal bend that in the end were total fucking genius!!! He'sgot to get Good Omens finished first though.
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You list all the hypocrisy that Fight Club and Finch are guilty of, but fail to realize that it was one of the projects' themes. (the most striking point is when Tyler looks at a calvin klein ad and asks the question "Is that supposed to be what a man looks like?" .. from the mouth of Brad Pitt) .. And that is the beauty of Fight Club, at face value it is, as Roger Ebert described it, "Macho Porn", or as some of gen-x'ers have embraced it as an anti-consumerism rant. These are just a few themes that one could gleam off of the movie ... works on many levels, some banal, and others extremely deep .. a mark of a great movie.
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Sure Western Oregon University sounds all well and good, but come on. No way Chuck would go to some podunk town in Monmouth, Oregon. This guy was sent by Chuck's agent. In fact I believe Chuck is dead, and a computer is generating all of these crazy stories that no one cares to read about. I say we all gang up and yell at our computers in disgust of this cantankerous crab. Who's with me? (I'm doing it right now, I trust you are too)
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