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Crash Davis knocked out by ALI!!! Nole unfazed!!!
Hey folks, Harry here and here's the latest look at Michael Mann's ALI!!! I've heard a lot of great word on the film, but the consistent nagging complaint I hear is that they didn't get to the heart of who ALI is... What makes him tick, that this film is basically a superficial examination of one of the great 20th Century Icons. That was also the complaint with Milos' MAN ON THE MOON with Jim Carrey... and that didn't stop my enjoyment of the film a teensy weensy bit. So without further ado, here ya go....
Hey Harry,
I caught a screening of ALI yesterday in New York City --thought you might be
interested. Michael Mann was there and answered questions from the audience
afterward. So here goes.
The film opens with a stunning montage sequence that takes us right up to where
we should be with ALI. It intercuts Ali's training with a Sam Cooke concert.
Then it immediately hits you and you are in the middle of the ring, just you
and Ali, just you and Smith.
Okay, get ready for it, guys and girls. Michael Mann has created on of the most
vivid looks at boxing ever. It's masterful and beautiful, terrifying and momentous
all at once --the fight scenes are really what I loved most about the film.
They are like poetry in motion, they really are, and also utterly consistent
with the facts. You know those famous photos of Ali, standing over the body
of another boxer, having just knocked him out? Well, they get that in here,
but lead up to it so perfectly as well. It is things like that that make me
really respect the hell out of the filmmakers.
So, yes, the fight scenes are staggering. But is Smith up to the job? As you've
heard everywhere, yes, yes, YES. Just watch the Academy pull a Jim Carrey and
unjustly leave Smith in the dust (I know there will be complaints of "it's not
acting, it's imitation" like there were with Carrey's portrayal of Andy Kaufman)but
he deserves a lot of kudos here. Hell, he went into training for a whole year
to prepare for this role. That says something in itself. But forget the boxing
-- this man is Ali. He channels him. Someone in the audience asked Michael Mann
after the screening, "Was Will Smith born with Muhammed Ali's teeth?" There
is something so specific about the way that Ali would talk -- he would talk
differently to different people, even -- and all of the inflection is caught
so well by Smith. Apart from Smith, there are great performances from everyone
involved, especially Jon Voight as Howard Cosell as well
as Jamie Foxx and Mario van Peebles.
Michael Mann is one of my favorite directors, and while he works with a different
DP here, the look of the film is very comparable to THE INSIDER. The lighting
and camera movements are able to capture something both in and out of the ring
about the chaos of Ali's life and the moments he forged in time. He works bestin
the midst of that fury, though, right there in the heat of the fight.
All in all, this film worked in every way it was meant to work for me. I didn't
have a clue about Ali's life and I'm not a big boxing fan, but it got me sitting
on the edge of my seat with excitement. I didn't go in expecting a huge character
study, and it wasn't one. As I was watching, I became afraid the film would
fall into the trap that MAN ON THE MOON fell into (although I still dug that
one)-- that it would show so much of the public Ali and none of the private.
But one scene assured me that wasn't the case: Ali, sitting in his car, reactingwith
a single tear to the death of his friend Malcom X.
So, yeah, I liked it a whole lot, but I'm not sure if it stands as high as THE
INSIDER. It deserves comparison to Mann's previous biographical tale, but they
really are very different projects. ALI has a broad scope and feel to it, while
THE INSIDER becomes a focused and intimate story by the end. I went with friends,
and while they too loved it, we all felt it was a little unfocused (something
that's difficult to do with biography in general). It was hard to get past the
public Ali, but the film managed to do that. I think it did lack some of the
emotional impact that THE INSIDER had, though.
Still, I had my ass kicked hard by this film. And that's all I was asking for.
By the way, Mann seems like an incredibly nice guy, really down to earth. Also,
he mentioned in the interview that there would be thirty more minutes of ALI
on the DVD than the release in theaters.
I'm Crash DavisNext we have Nole, who managed to dodge any would be knock out punches that Michael Mann threw at him and came away being underwhelmed by the film... Here's his look
Hello Harry,
It's been a couple of years, but 'Nole' is back with a review of "Ali." I
was able to attend a showing today at the Ziegfeld Theater in Manhattan. An
absolutely beautiful cinema palace, I don't know if you've ever seen a movie
there, but if you haven't I recommend you go next time you're in NYC. Now,
on to the movie.
Overall, it was a bit of a letdown. The film is ultimately floored by a
combination of brutal shots to the celluloid body -- it's too long, and it
doesn't tell enough of Ali's story. Writer-director Michael Mann is usually
a master at digging down deep into the core of his characters' soul.
However, in "Ali" he seems content to just explore Muhammad's public persona
-- the boastful, boisterous icon whose charisma blanketed any room he
entered -- instead of going deeper.
The beginning of the movie is amazing. A montage of music and motion, we are
introduced to trainer Angelo Dundee (an unrecognizable Ron Silver),
cornerman Carl Bundini (Jamie Foxx) and of course, Ali. Still known as
Cassius Clay, we see him training for his shot at then-champion Sonny
Liston. Sam Cooke is playing his heart out at a tiny nightclub, and Mann
blends all these images into an absolutely perfect concoction that promises
to lead to a supreme storytelling experience. Unfortunately, the rest of the
picture never measures up to the promise of the beginning.
Part of the blame has to go to Will Smith. As talented as Mr. Smith is, and
gosh knows he's a one-man multimedia empire, there are limits to that
talent. This film puts a big, bright spotlight on those limitations. No
matter how hard he tries, he can't help us see anything but the charming
side of the champ, the side everyone has seen before. In some scenes, like
one where Ali turns away his first wife (played by Smith's real-life spouse
Jada Pinkett) because of pressure from the Nation of Islam, he almost lets
us see why Ali rejects a woman he loves. Almost, but not quite. His
inability to get the audience to the point of recognition is a constant
thorn in the film's side.
To be perfectly blunt, Smith is too big a superstar for his own good. When
he's cracking jokes at the expense of Liston or Joe Frazier, you can't get
it out of your mind that you're watching the Fresh Prince, the star of Men
In Black and Independence Day. It's simply too hard to forget you're
watching this huge film star portray the most famous man on the planet. We
know he's acting out the part, and when the part is Muhammad Ali, well, he
just doesn't measure up.
On the other hand, Jon Voight does a complete transformation into Howard
Cosell. From the superb makeup job to the pitch-perfect voice, Voight
manages to bring back to life the most controversial sportscaster of all
time. The scenes between Cosell and Ali captures the special relationship
between the two lightning rods, including one that takes place during a
press conference before the Rumble In the Jungle against George Foreman.
In front of a huge gathering of reporters, Cosell asks Ali if he really
thinks he stands a chance against his larger, younger opponent. The
discomfort on Cosell's face -- he was close friends with the champ, and here
he was putting him on the spot in front of the huge media crowd -- is
obvious. It's almost like he wants to apologize for asking the question, but
then Ali disarms the situation with a quip. He let his friend off the hook,
because he knew he was only doing his job.
Two big surprises are the performances by Mario Van Peebles as Malcom X and
Jamie Foxx as Ali's troubled cornerman. Van Peebles' portrayal of the slain
civil rights leader is a revelation. For the first time, you see Malcom X as
an almost tragic figure, trapped by the politics of the civil rights
movement.
Foxx whips out one-liners and follows up with soul-searing confessions,
without taking a second breath. For a guy whose career hasn't called for a
lot of range, he certainly answered the bell here. He also earns high marks
for the mammoth bald spot and beer belly he carries through the film.
As for the fight scenes, they are remarkably authentic. Mann obviously did
lots of research on Ali's fights, because he practically recreated them blow
by blow. The moment when Ali stands over a downed Liston, perhaps the most
famous image in boxing history? It's right there. Ali doing the rope-a-dope
against a tiring, wheezing Foreman? Right there.
Using dizzying camera work, Mann gives you a ringside seat to the show Ali
put on every time he stepped in the ring. The only thing missing is the
sweat flying around. Give Smith a lot of credit for learning to look like a
boxer. Unlike so many actors who play the role of an athlete, Smith looks
like the real deal.
Where Mann falls short is in the story. The film focuses on the 10 years of
Ali's life from the time he first became champ to the moment when he fights
Foreman in Zaire. The key aspect of this time period is Ali's fight to not
be drafted into the Vietnam War. But while the film makes this the
centerpiece of the storyline, Mann doesn't spend enough time showing why Ali
refused the draft. Instead of hearing about his anger at being asked to
fight a war for a white government that sends him to the back of the bus, we
find out about Ali's financial problems. He's broke, so he's got to get back
in the ring.
The reasons why he fought the draft are the reasons why Ali is so revered
today. He made a stand, he fought for what he believed in, consequences be
damned. And it cost him the four best years of his boxing life. That is
what's important, not how his decision hurt him financially.
Then there are the issues with the Nation of Islam. While the film hints
that the Nation manipulated Ali and took advantage of his finances, Mann is
careful not to make any direct accusations. That's a bit of a shock,
considering this is the same guy who ripped the "60 Minutes" crew in "The
Insider." When you factor in the very harsh (though completely warranted)
treatment promoter Don King (played by Mykelti Williamson) gets, you simply
have to wonder why the filmmaker took it easy on the Nation.
The bottom line is that despite a 2-hour, 30-minute running time, you just
don't learn nearly enough about the man they called The Greatest. "Ali" is
like a heavyweight title match: It just doesn't live up to the pre-fight
hype.
Nole
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This guy fucken rocks. He knows what he is doing. Imagine if this was in Spike Lee's hands? OMG!! Glad they didn't give it to him. I'm gonna be first in line for Michael Mann's ALI.
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Michael J. Fox is a boxer? Must be a featherweight
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I'm going to see ALI regardless of what anyone has to say good or bad because it's high time my people were portrayed as something other than lazy shiftless Negroes named BAGGER VANCE who GOT THE HOOK UP working at THE WASH, acting FOOLISH, NEXT FRIDAY with THREE STRIKES against them all the while showing their skin and BONES. (Yeah it was corny but I got my point across.)
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dude couldnt someone cooler like chris columbus direct ali? i dont understand why anyone would want to make a movie that only really smart people can understand. i dont get it and i have a high iq. chris columbus is better. he directs good. much better than smart directors direct bad good. its like i dont want to go and get a lecture or something. i want to see sweeping vissiels and stuff and good music and bright colors and eat my popcorn and stuff. dude thats so unfair how come chris columbus cant do it. he should do the next star trek too or the godfather iv or something. plus he does more than direct because we learned in 1942 he sailed alllll across the country, which takes talent i know because my uncle owns a yatt. but he is really cool. its like really neat because its on the water but kind of in, for balance. but ali makes me nervous. and why is will smith playing him anyway? shouldnt someone like stallone play ali? i haven't liked will smith ever since that one stuff where he played the black guy.
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You confirmed my suspicions about the movie, but I'll probably see it anyway... though the 2 1/2 hour running time is bothersome for a movie that doesn't seem to go beyond the surface. Oh well.
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Ali's friend and cornerman and the man who coined the phrase "Float like a butterfly; sting like a bee" was Drew "Bundini" Brown, not "Carl Bundini" as Nole stated. Or not. Suit yourself
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Why do you have to insult Ali? Dislike the movie if you want, but you don't need to be such an asshole about it and call him dumb. His disease is strictly a motor function thing, it hasn't affected his mind. And to say Ali's not interesting? What the fuck?!? Your either predetermined not to like this already or just ignorant. There's was a difference in Ali's trash talking that todays stars don't have. Most of what Ali said was humorous and funny. Watch "When We were Kings" and you'll see. And if Ali was in the dictionary, it woud read: THE GREATEST!
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That was sarcasm right? Chris "Bicentennial Man, Nine freaking Months, Mrs. Doubtfire" Columbus. He's not exactly the epitome of cool you know..
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my guess is that the screenplay and earlier cut of this film probably had all that anti-government stuff, but in light of recent events, the filmmakers and studio pussied out and glossed over that section. I agree with the reviewer that to overlook Ali's heroic stand about a government (and at that point in time, a large segment of society) that didn't give two shits about its black citizens. it's a shame that we won't see it in a major motion picture.
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ok so will smith was in (starring counts only):
six degrees of seperation
bad boys
independence day
men in black
enemy of the state
wild wild west
legend of bagger bance
ali
first word of each gives the following sentence: "Six bad independence men wild legend ali." but mohammed ali has six children so they will date wild men?!?!? i donno this is weird its easy with jack nicholson which was able to predict his marriage of lara flynn boyle.
anyone else goat?
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I have already seen the movie about Ali on TV and I have one question: If Ali was so great, why did he have to move to Bel Air to live with his Aunt and Uncle? Couldn't he have kicked those bullies' asses himself and stayed in Philly? Oh wait... Now I'm just confused...
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Mann is awesome. I would see anything he directs. Smith can be good- I've enjoyed his performances- but thats when he's been playing the 'Will' character, not a real person. Early reviews have stated that Smith pulls it off, but I am still skeptical. I'll just have to wait and see for myself. I am also concerned that Ali, himself, is endorsing the film. If he likes it then they must really make him look like 'the greatest'. I think Ali is a hero, but I would like to see a more objective look at the man. I am sure he wasn't perfect and I would like to see those imperfections. Flaws make him more human. By the look of the commercials, it seems as though Ali tells off everyone and is always right. Was he? Maybe a more objective film would let us decide. Thats just my thoughts.
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I have seen the movie and Will Smith Should be commended and receive the Oscar nod as well as his Boxing and Fitness trainer Darrell Foster. In this day and age of high profile A-list talent that command mega bucks for their film work. Only a few actors in the history of film making have suffered threw the regimen of training and punishment that was reqiured for Will Smith to tranform himself into Muhammad Ali. He endured over six hours of Boxing, weight, voice and dialect training for six day's a week for over one year. He boxed professional former world champions daily. No one took it easy on him he had to visit the hospital for x-ray's several times. Will's trainer Darrell Foster explained to Will in the beginnning that he had to become a real fighter. As the process began Darrell used all of the stratigies he learned in over 20 professional boxing training with Sugar Ray Leonard to transform Will into a fighter. Will was forced to run the hills of Aspen in combat boots, He was put on a strict diet etc. Together Will and Darrell began to gel as fighter and coach. Darrell should be credited for the greatest fight scenes ever to be put on film. He had to not only train Will , but all the pro fighters on the film had to tranform their prospective styles to that of the characters they were playing. Micheal Bentt (Sonny Liston) James Toney ( Joe Frazier), Ice Cole (Erney Terrell), etc all these fighters were transform by Darrell Foster.
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They must form a fellowship and have a beer and cheat on Gollums wife. Peter Jackson doesn't own shoes, and did I mention he's a freaking genius?
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will smith doesn't look like ali AT ALL. mann should've went with a no-namer on this one.
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