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BLACK CHRISTMAS 2 update.... Plus an Elm Street Prequel'
Hey folks, Harry here with an update on the BLACK CHRISTMAS 2 story from yesterday. We're still working to get official word, which we haven't found as of yet, but we know that many of us look forward to this. Personally I'd rather that this was going to be a theatrical release. But I like playing this
I read on your site about Black Christmas 2 and just wanted to tell you that I'm a personal friend of Stu Allison, who wrote the film Christina's House, and he recently completed the script for the Black Christmas sequel. Warner Brothers is making the film with the help of MGM who will release it direct to video in December of 02'. It's a very low budget film, and the director of the original Black Christmas is in talks to direct it. Olivia Hussey will be back playing the same character she played before, only all grown up and now a detective investigating more deaths in the same sorority house she lived in. Pretty cool stuff. --Dion QuintupletsAnd now we have the rumor about a new installment of Freddy Krueger's ELM STREET films. Doing a prequel about him as a living being, who was a child murderer... and ending with him being burned alive. That would be fascinating... but frankly, I'd want it to be painfully un-hammy on the part of Robert Englund... played totally serious and straight. It could be fascinating. Sounds like it is in the earliest stages of conceptualization...
I talked to Heather Langenkamp's agent this morning and he tells me Heather is in discussions with Wes Craven about a new project. "There are ongoing discussions with Wes Craven about what shape another ELM ST movie might look like and if there’s a place for the character, Nancy Thompson". The most likely project they are talking about is the prequel to the first "ELM ST".
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ugh to early must get coffee...
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Direct to Video and Hussey playing a detective investigating student killings... This sounds like When a Stranger calls 2... But a serious Nightmare prequel would be good, and calling it 'Elm St' sounds great.
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it was the first episode of a nightmare on elm street the series called freddys nightmares it first aired i 1988
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by the way the first episode was directed by tobe hopper
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As soon as I saw the header, I thought, hang fire, this has already been done in the 'Freddies Nightmares' TV series. And yes it was directed by Hooper, and like all his post 'Chainsaw...' output it was terrible. About as much fun as a rectal probe... But I guess that about sums up the vast majority of the 'Freddies Nightmare' output as well!
So, I'm now in a tad of a quandary. A true, stripped down, bad to the bone 'kiddie' slasher film, could be a good return to form for the horror film, which thankfully has shaken off the ironic status of the last few years and intelligent, adult horror films could now be ready to make a return to the screen... something I refuse to believe was started by 'Jeepers Creepers' which was about as scary as the average 'Freddies Nightmares' episode. So, to sum up... I just don't know if I have the energy to get excited about this!!! Upon thinking about it, I don't. -
The Elm Street Prequel is a great idea, but ONLY if Englund plays Freddy and Wes directs (or at LEAST produces!!) After the Scream Trilogy and Nightmares 1,3, and 7 was has proved himself the master of modern horror (Shocker and People under the Stairs can be forgiven). I don't want to see this movie unless he's involved.
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I love the Krueger movies. Even the bad ones, er, really bad ones have some great dream sequences featuring the greatest 80s villain. So what's my problem? Well, a Krueger prequel sounds to me to be entirely useless. Do we really want to watch a movie about a guy trolling the neighborhood to molest children? We also knows how the film will end (immolation at the hands of outraged parents). Where is the drama? How the hell would Nancy be in the story? She would be very young (under 10, and not playable by Langenkamp)if we believe the rumors that her older sister was one of the original Elm Street kids. I think the official series should be laid to rest. Bring on Krueger vs Vorhees vs Myers 2002!!!
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after shite like Strangeland and Urban Legend. Pkay, those were more or less cameos, but that hardly makes the matters better.
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Beside the episode of "Freddy's Nightmares" we have also seen the corporeal Krueger in the flashback scenes in "Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare." Redundancy blows. What kept this franchise from sinking as low as the "Friday the 13th" or "Halloween" films, was that each entry added incrementally to the mythology, without cheating or rewriting or forgetting (ie "Jason Goes to Hell" or "Halloween 6"). I can't see how this will add any detail we don't know to the Krueger canon (the bastard son of 1000 maniacs and an unlucky nun, he was adopted and abused, grew up, had a family, tortured the neighbor kids, was burned alive, made a pact with demons, then rose again and again for sweet revenge). Ultimately, a return to Elm Street will prove to be nothing more than a cul-de-sac. It might look nice, but it'll go no where.
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Nov 27, 2001 10:30:35 AM CST
There's no need for a Nightmare on Elm Street prequel
by cooler-than-thou
The cool thing about Freddy pics is that he is a supernatural creature. He doesn't kill people with a knife or a gun. He plunges into the unconscious mind, seeks out one's worse fear and mercilessly turns it againsts them. That's what makes him cool and that's what makes fans want to watch his movie. If we wanted to watch a couple of kids get hacked up by some psycho, we'd watch Friday the 13th or Halloween. Freddy's entertaining because he's no longer human. And I can guarantee that if Wes Craven takes away Freddy's demonic state, he'd be hardpressed to keep even the most diehard fans happy.
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come on 3d???in the what? SIXTH MOVIE??? They all sucked, even the first one was garbage. I begrudgingly enjoy part 3 for the eighties claremontesque X-goofyness. The whole slasher genre is full of crap. The Jason movies are better served as comedies but at least they accomplish that. I laughed my ass off during the sleeping bag scene in part 7... The Freddy films were just all around bad... in a kinda Hellraiser sad cause it could have been good way. The best I ever saw/read Freddy was the unproduced Braga F vs J script where he pays Freddy and Jason more respect than he does the Trek franchise. Freddy cuts loose with his powers and in 5 pages is more inventive than the whole lame series of films. Halloween was the only good slasher film cause it invented the genre. The sequels were crap but Carpenter was THE MAN with part 1. Easily one of the best horror films of all time, up there with Texas 1 (of course) Excorcist, Psycho and Night of the Living Dead. Bad ass films and you can't say they don't make em like that cause they NEVER DID...films like those are few and far between. Freddy as a psycho pedophile? Could be truly scary if Victor Salva did it and I mean that seriously, otherwise I'm betting it will suck like 'I STILL know what you did last summer'.
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I'd love to see an Elm Street prequel. It should be treated more in the Silence of the Lambs vein, and not so much in the typical Elm Street vein. As for Black Christmas 2, I love, LOVE the original and I don't know how I feel about a sequel. However, getting Bob Clark to direct it is a good start. I just hope it somehow has that eerie 70's feel to it. Maybe with it being direct to video, it just might.
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a prequel to elm street i think the sixth one had aleready deal with this issue ,by the way i watch it last week , and i think this is the worst elm street movie , except for the end which is good , . I THINK THIS WILL HAVE TO BE VERY BLOOD AND GORE to be interesting since freddy is just normal men . but im more excited to see jason vs freddy than a freddy prequel . -
Nov 27, 2001 1:57:33 PM CST
Wes Craven is a legend, if he writes and directs this film will
by winkleboy
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if anyone wants to see or know more about freddys nightmares the pilot which is the Above prequel episode i have been talking about(the official name of that episode is no more mr nice guy) is on home video as well as 4 other episodes you can find them at amazon.com
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"Halloween" did not invent the genre...someone is forgetting about "Bay Of Blood", "Black Christmas" and the HG Lewis films...As a die hard horror fan, I'm not overly excited about an Elm Street sequel, the same as Phantom Menace was anti-climactic because we knew how it was going to end..."Black Christmas 2" is one that I'm really excited about, but only if Bob Clark is back and doesn't fall into the "stars of the WB" trap...I loved the first movie so much I named my first band after it :)
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so disregard the whole heaping pile of **it.
Tallalay should be remanded to drivers education films for that one. It's like, despite the fact that she worked in some capacity on most of the films, she TOTALLY FORGOT that Nancy killed Freddy in the EXACT SAME MANNER in the FIRST FILM! WOW!
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Nov 27, 2001 3:53:18 PM CST
umm technically Psycho was BEFORE Antefatto (or Bay of Blood) so
by sundown
Black Christmas only got distribution because of Halloween... They came first and had guys with knives killing people... Many films did though! The concept of a walking Wickerman that could get pumped full of bullets and come back with supernatural zeal was done first and best by Carpenter. Sure these films borrowed from the gore but CONCEPTUALLY and with regard to success and QUALITY (Bay of Blood was an inferior film to others of Bava) Halloween IS UNMATCHED and sure we can split hairs and its nice to believe that the little films we've seen and no one else has are better (and sometimes they are) but Halloween is and will always be the shiznet. Boogie man Boogie man.... damn that film rocked!
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Nov 27, 2001 3:59:33 PM CST
A lot of stuff that would be cool has already been touched on...
by thegame
Wasn't there a Nightmare film that already touched on Mr. Krueger's past? Nightmare 6? 7?
I remember a part where Freddy's daughter stubles upon his collection of pretty freaky assed s*** in a storm cellar or something to that effect. If this was embellished (Without the help of some Viacom-esque production company) this could very well be one of the bigger horror flicks of all time. Hey, what the hell has David Fincher been doing lately? Craven is great, but we all know, ***WE ALL KNOW*** a guy like Fincher would put this film in a category of it's own.
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I hate when people come in here and start bashing any shit. This is about the Freddy and Black Christmas, who gives a shit if oyu don't care?!?!? On that note, i think that the prequel should be done in more of a low budget, idie kind of way like the first one. As long as Kevin "I'm a huge fucking hack" Williamson has nothing to do with it.
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Nov 27, 2001 5:55:58 PM CST
The writer of "Christina`s House"? I heard that was awful.
by elgyn6655321
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...I mean, rather, that this is no place to take things seriously. Not the least of which in the realm of things is the issue of horror movies, which I myself have strong feelings about. For instance, I think HALLOWEEN is a piece of complete garbage, not to mention the even-worse waste of celluloid called THE EXORCIST. Perhaps I should just admit that I hate the genre, and my fascination with it is purely juvenile. But then, what kind of person would that make me, if I'm here, talking about it, writing this down and posting it at a site that often really bores me and makes me think I'm wasting my life with bad people? That we rot. But, apropos of nothing, Freddy really doesn't need any more screen time, and Wes Craven needs to retire. He did a decent job with SCREAM (says I), but then he pushed it too far and didn't notice when he ran out of material (hopefully he knows that now). I agree with the talkbacker that said perhaps it's time for good, adult horror flicks, but face, folks, that time of film happens rarely. I don't think we need to see children being molested (at least, I hope not); after so many descents into the land of gore (and I love my gore, I really do; I'll never stop watching BRAINDEAD or DAWN OF THE DEAD), I have to wonder how much more we really need. Then again, maybe I've spent too much time lately destroying my brain in an effort to convince myself of the worth of TPM. I watch it and watch it and watch it, and sooner or later I've got to dull myself to its imperfections, which dug like barbed wire the first time around. And maybe--just maybe--there is a future out there where the horror genre becomes a welcoming bastion of intelligence and talent. Maybe that'll happen. Yeah. And maybe NONE of these movies ever needed to be made. Maybe all they ever did was capitalize on the inner kiddie rapist in all teenage fanboys out there--people horrified by sex, mortified by women, and completely incapable of useful human interaction. But that would hit too close to home for me, so I guess I'll just go watch STAR WARS again and wonder to myself what Carrie Fisher's nips look like. It'll make me feel good about myself. Goodbye.
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Please let this fad die out quickly...like the obession with clones!
I hate prequels. They usually never turn out right.
Star Wars is seeing near ruin right now with this, Star Trek's latest series is abominable...but how in the name of hell can you make a prequel movie about Elm Street?
Who gives a shit what Freddy did when he was alive? The whole idea about these movies is that he's undead and super powerful.
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Regardless of whether or not he got your joke, what you're not getting is that it wasn't funny. You did a very bad job at being funny and now many people here do not like you or your lame jokes and want you to leave. Get out of here, dipshit.
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Come on boys let's have some clever titles here! Nocturnal Emission on Elm Street? :)
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I can't say that I am a big fan of elm street, ever since the third one which instead of giving me the chills gave me laughter....
In my humble opinion there is no afterlife after elm street one...
Anyone for oak street lift yer hands (hey you in the corner with the blade glove put it down you don't count for five)....
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I'd say that could be a cool (or uncool... depends on the chars...)
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Black Christmas scared the shit out of me when I was a kid and saw it on cable. There was another flick around the same time that scared me too. It revolved around these old people and there was a classic scene when they pour cement on this old dude inside a box. His foot is sticking out so they chop it off with an axe and the guy put's the piece of foot in his pocket. If anyone remembers the title, can you email me at ccefoladvd@apvi.com
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Nov 28, 2001 7:47:15 PM CST
Dont make the prequel yet! im almost done my script! and i am wr
by johnny filmmaker
The way i see it, Elm Street prequel should be about and involve this ( which is the way i am writing it) : FRED Krueger ( he is never mentioned as "freddy") is a perverted, sick child murderer - the janitor of the high school origin - not the abomination they did with his origin in "freddy's dead". My script DOES have Nancy in it, but she is about 4 years old, so thats why she doesnt know who he is in the first Elm Street. It takes place in the early-mid Sevevnties. It is about how the town of Springwood has become paranoid and fears leaving thier children unattended...except for a few parents who should know better. It involves Nancy's father Donald and shows how his devotion to finding out who the "Springwood Slasher" is ultimatly puts his marriage in jeopardy as we see in the first Elm Street. We find out that alot of the kids fro Elm Street 1 and 3 had older siblings...HAD older siblings. What this movie need to be is like SE7EN in the seventies...tracking a killer, a town in fear, a killer who is plagued by dreams of his abused childhood and loses his humanity to become the killer he is, a crack kin the judicial system that lets the killer free, the towns rage... There are no Freddy "one-liners" or anything that turned the series into a bad joke. I just gotta find out how and where to send the script when i'm done...which should be soon. If they do make this movie, i hope its fone right, cuz there is a good story to be told..
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"Mmmmmm, PREEEQUELS ....." (Homer is goosed by a razor-gloved Bart) "D'OH!!!"
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--what you described sounds alot like an episode of the old series Tales From the Darkside, in which grandparents baby sit a little boy and girl on Christmas eve. They tell them the story of a evil monster named Grendel that lives on the other side of Santa's mountain. He has these huge fuckin' ears that he uses to listen for anyone that says his name (or some shit like that). He also uses 'em to fly to would be victim's houses. Anyhoo, at the end of the episode these big monsterous hands reaches in through the windows and snatches away the granparents. Needless to say, after I saw that I tortured my poor little sister for years with that little yarn(yep, I was an a-hole). Don't know if that's the one, but like I said, it sounds pretty close.
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Another Elm Street movie! Cool! Is Meryl Streep going to be in it?
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Is that like Leprechaun In Da Hood? "Just cos the cat's got a library card, doesn't make him Yoda. Whoever he is."
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Nov 29, 2001 9:40:25 AM CST
what i mean by "it should be like SE7EN, but in the seventies" i
by johnny filmmaker
But in writing this script, i stuck to the info given about Fred Krueger from the first 3 Elm Streets....to me, the other ones dont exsist. i mean, in Freddy's Dead, having the story told that Fred used to LIVE in the old house on Elm Street was retarted! if there was a serial killer who mudered 20 kids, and then you bust him, then burn him...would ya really wanna move into his house? No way, man...my script, he's the school janitor, he is kind of quiet around people and he concieves of way to lure kids into his van or into the old abandoned "boiler room". Freddy should be scary, not a stand-up comedian...
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