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FROM HELL review
This week has been my return to cinema in theaters. Very slowly, but surely I’m taking my baby steps back into that magical womb of Hollywood’s.
I don’t think I could pick a better week to do it. Press screenings of THE LAST CASTLE, THE MAN WHO WASN’T THERE and MONSTERS INC! FROM HELL and MULHOLLAND DRIVE opening in theaters! Finally, we are seeing interesting films back in theaters, and as if on command my body decided it was time to venture forth.
Today was a damn fine day of flicks! First, in the morning with MONSTERS INC, then the evening with FROM HELL. Since FROM HELL is out there in a theater near you right now, I am hitting it first.
As many of you may recall, I visited the sets for FROM HELL back when I was in Prague last year for A KNIGHT’S TALE. While there I took a side trip to their White Chapel, built in its entirety with real cobblestone streets and all. Without a doubt this was one of the most complete sets I’ve ever visited. No seams. Once you entered the set, you were never outside of the illusion that you were in Victorian London. I met the lovely Heather Graham in full Mary Kelly gear and even examined all of the Ripper’s victims… The most ghastly makeup that I’ve ever seen. The bodies were hideously mutilated and even felt like real cadavers. (I once apprenticed at a mortuary in a small Texas town to learn what the dead looked like, as I wanted to be a Makeup Effects Artist at the time.)
At the time Albert Hughes told me that there was no way the MPAA would allow them to get away with showing any of this in the film, but promised you’d get the grisly worst on a special DVD at some point.
Nearly a year and a half later I’m just now seeing the film at the Alamo Drafthouse North, and frankly the film feels like it is holding back. You can almost feel the bit cutting the mouths of the directors. Flashing glimpses instead of clear horror. I, well, let’s get into it.
The Hughes Brothers’ style is very old school classic cinema. You can feel Scorsese and Hitchcock whispering in the ears of the brothers, you can feel the delight at the faces hidden in deep rich black shadows, the beaming pride of a London with Hell red skies. At the same time you can feel that enthusiasm for letting it all hang out being held back by the mores of conventional studio cinema. This movie wants to have the reins off. It wants to be wild and shocking. It wants to be the greatest JACK THE RIPPER movie of all time. Instead it settles for being the prettiest, the most lush and the most detailed, but unfortunately it suffers greatly from the editing involved in taming the beast.
The opium den feels like a tea party with a couple of nude tattooed chicks. The murders feel rushed and sanitized. The medical scenes feel useless and pointless. The problem with appeasing a hive of scum like the MPAA is that now the film feels wildly divergent and inconsistent.
Large pieces of the film have that assured direction that the Hughes Brothers showed us with MENACE 2 SOCIETY, which caused many to draw comparisons to Scorsese. Then at times it feels like the editing team on ARMAGEDDON took over whenever violence, drugs or sex comes into play. Stylistically, for me, it doesn’t work.
The mixture of styles is just jarringly disruptive to the flow of the film for me.
As usual, Johnny Depp is wonderful. He may very well be my favorite actor in his generation, and here he’s playing an interesting mixture of his Hunter S Thompson and Ichabod Crane. His Inspector Frederick Abberline is played as a lost soul amidst a world of trash and snobbery. To say he has no rainbows in his life is an understatement. Depp handles the accent quite well, but his ineffective ‘visions’ render his character less than what he is portraying. We don’t get a sense that he’s haunted by these things, that he uses opium in its various forms to escape or to kick start the visions.
Heather Graham’s Mary Kelly is well, never really a whore. She is a whore in name, but apparently she is always going this way or that way. However, we never see evidence of her being a Bang Tail. Julia Roberts’ character in PRETTY WOMAN was more of a prostitute, at least we see her get paid for sex. As a result her character has been turned into a standard slasher heroine. To us, the viewer, she is the pure virginal whore for our eyes, while the others, they are all taken or have scenes where they accept the proposition. We all know what that leads to in a horror slasher flick.
To read this next paragraph, HIGHLIGHT TO READ AS IT CONTAINS SPOILERS!!!
Ian Holm’s Sir William Gull is rendered impotent as a character throughout the vast majority of the film. By playing him as an innocent, by playing the film like a mystery suspense, the Hughes Brothers have caused his character to be unevenly divided between seemingly feeble royal surgeon and then, for the last 20 minutes or so, Jack The Ripper. Imagine if you played Hannibal Lecter as the butler from REMAINS OF THE DAY for 85% of the movie and as Hannibal for the remaining 15%. I would have preferred to have had him closer to Ian Holm’s ASH from ALIEN. That attentive medical practitioner to the crew, but with a knowing underlying sense of evil and wit just below the surface, where lies a horrifying psychopath. His contacts for those last twenty minutes are very very disconcerting. A missed stroke of brilliance here. This could have been one of Ian’s great character portrayals, instead it is an afterthought.
My favorite character in the film is strangely enough, Robbie Coltrane’s Sgt. Godley. He is the assistant to Abberline. The friend that admires and pities the brilliance and the addiction that haunts Depp’s character.
A large portion of the problems with this film is that it is an abbreviated version of the source material. The Hughes Brothers obviously love Alan Moore’s FROM HELL, but it seems they used it as a fetish guide. They take the most exploitive elements like the opium, the mutilation, the carriage, John Merrick and the like, and just accent them. They reveal and treat them almost with a childlike sense of show and tell. Frankly, the comic was made for an HBO unrated miniseries. This film is something entirely different, using the comic as a basic outline of ‘to do’ items.
Even with all these criticisms, I can’t recommend seeing this on the big screen enough, as though the film is flawed tremendously, the design and cinematography are simply made for the big screen. Absolutely gorgeous. I don’t think London has ever looked this good in color.
Right now though, I am very anxious for an uncut DVD. I’m very curious to see the pre-MPAA cut of the film.
My favorite JACK THE RIPPER film though is MURDER BY DECREE, check it out. I love that flick!
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and you people try so hard. i just now got my id and i am 1st. highlight of my life
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I was happily reading along and then you gave away the ending. What was the point in that?
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Ha ha! That's funny!
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...must have stipulated that she a) never appear on screen having sex
b) have beautiful white teeth and a clear complexion (with plenty of lip color and rouged cheeks)
c) wear a wig and not color her hair
d) and have a brighter, prettier dress than the other "bang tails"
Every time she appeared on screen she was a giant, anachronistic toothache! She looked so fake that it was as if the fx department added her in with a computer during post production. Aaargh..get a real actress next time.
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Oct 20, 2001 1:29:43 AM CDT
nice to see you review again Harry, but watch the spoilers pleas
by tall_boy
a little warning would have been nice or at least a space to separate that bit about Holm. Well, I guess who REALLY is Jack the Ripper isn't really the point of the flick anyway. . .its all about the style, which is the main reason I'm gonna check this flick out...
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Oct 20, 2001 1:31:58 AM CDT
just saw From Hell tonight... a brilliant except for the final t
by a goonie
From Hell was easily the second best picture of the year (first being A.I.), until the final twenty minutes showed up and caused the movie to falter. you see, the death scenes are absolutely amazing. the first deserves to go down in history as one of the great murder moments in motion picture history. i'm not exaggerating. it's truly amazing. and truly jolting. other than that, everything is in good order here. The Hughes Bros. command the camera in very graceful ways. they frame their shots so perfectly. they use numerous gorgeous dissolves that are nothing short of inspirational. the sound work on this movie will blow your mind. good stuff. the acting as well is really quite good. Depp is wonderful, Graham is very good, Coltrane is absolutely great. and all the supporting players do a damn fine job, as well. the photography, well, the trailers give you a nice idea. beautiful images. the production design... man, the sets are truly believeable. very realistic. the use of music is very well done as well. anyhow, the point is, this is a GREAT movie... until the final twenty minutes. now the ending is still good. it works in it's own way, and it's not entirely unsatisfying. it's just that, well, SPOILER ALERT!!! SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!
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Just got back from the theater, so this review didn't bother me, but it would have if I hadn't seen the flick yet. Yes, the real case is famously unsolved, but "From Hell" offers us an answer to the Ripper's identity, and you spilled the beans Harry! Stop that!
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Sorry to stray away from a respectable movie, but I have something to say to my fellow talkbackers who care about their favorite shows. Do you have shows that have been trashed by the networks who gave them a cold home? I do. I have emailed Harry about this, so I hope he makes a stir by exposing ABC for what it really is. Again, this subject covers many networks, not just ABC.
Anyway, tonight I was watching the second episode of The Mole that I taped from last week before the third episode aired. Based on the teaser, I was looking forward to tonight's episode. Yes, more brain energy to screw my head sideways! I like to think of all the possibilities of who could be the one that would wreak havoc on the other players...who is The Mole? This show is all about intelligence, perception, knowledge, and wit. Show me another show that has these qualities. I don't think there are any that apply. Let me get to the point, ABC (Another Betrayal for Christs sake) has postponed The Mole until Feb or March of 2002. I am outraged, as are thousands, if not millions who were staring at a LAME excuse for a television show. What is this show you may ask? It is Americas Funniest Home Videos, without Bob Saget. It's a rehash, I tell you, of an almost forgotten part of rotten entertainment...a bottle of laughs or smirks at the expense of MAKING YOUR BRAIN EVEN MORE MUSHIER. Outrage has filled many people, including myself, as to wonder why on this God given earth ABC did not release any notice, not even a SHREAD until about the show started. The sheer ignorance of ABC insulting the intelligence of the Mole viewer (ANY for that matter) was very noticable. No commercial? No web page notice? No nada? The only notices I hear of were a few lonely articles on Yahoo and Eonline. Talk about leaving people in the dark. I hated UPN when it cancelled Nowhere Man after a season back in 95 or 96. I loved that show, as did many other people. But why that show failed, as with The Mole 2, was that the networks did not promote it like it should have, and given it the proper time slot (maybe even the network) to succeed. 7:00pm CST on Friday nights? Talk about instant suicide! We were so lucky to have X-Files succeed on Friday nights. But now, my fellow talkbackers, another half ass network as screwed the loyal viewers of their chance to watch a show of intrigue and mystery in a time of uncertainty. Let the suits at ABC find a suitable way to cancel the George Costanza show and bring back The Mole in it's place. You want evidence? Go to the message board at ABC.com and the online petition. We need to get the word out that viewers will not be screwed and insulted with brain mush material such as America's Most Insignificant Home Video Embarrassments. Remember, this is not only for The Mole, this is for every show then, now, and in the future that you like that has been trashed because networks don't know what we like. >>>>>>>>> http://www.petitiononline.com/mole2/petition.html
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Oct 20, 2001 1:40:51 AM CDT
sorry... not only did i accidentally post b4 i was ready, i did
by a goonie
SPOILERS AHEAD! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!!
okay, so the filmmakers go and tell us who Jack the Ripper is. they set up a whole bunch of suspects, and then they just plain tell us. and then, to make matters worse, MORE SPOILERS!!! Jack the Ripper gets this labotomy treatment, so he actually gets punished. he's now doomed to sit alone in a cell with a portion of his brain missing. that's great. why does this bother me, you ask? cuz Jack the Ripper was never found. and the whole movie leaves us until the end with the image of Jack the Ripper as nothing more than a menacing shadow. what i wanted this movie to do was take us on the journey that it did, and then at the end, leave us with nothing more to hate than a name, and a voice, and that shadow. by unmasking the killer, suddenly, we as an audience have someone to hate. we have an actual FACE to hate. we can rest comfortably knowing who did it all. whereas without that face, the movie leaves us with nothing but the legend. with that quote at the beginning of the movie (another touch i thoroughly enjoyed). so either way, too bad that it didn't come thru the way i was hoping. but nonetheless, it's an ambitious movie that is absolutely ingenius up until the end, where it falters. but the Hughes Bros. do deserve great praise for everything they DID get right with this movie. -
...I happened to recognize Holm's voice in the trailer, but not everyone read the graphic novel.
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HARRY, if you want to, I can add the "Spoiler Alert" part in your reviews if you want me to, for free!
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Damn!!! I don't post often, but I had to say something here. First, Harry, I know you've heard it enough now, but please give spoiler warnings! After reading that, I considered avoiding this film, but then my hopes slowly built back up, until the review informed me that the film unmasks the Ripper. Uggghhhh. Jack is one of my deepest interests, and I have personally walked Whitechapel at night and visited the Ten Bells Pub in my research, and this film (along with Rings and Potter) was one of the Big Three I was looking forward to. Well, I guess it's not all bad, as atmosphere and performance weigh heavily (hell, we ALL know Lord of the Rings inside and out but we're all going to see it anyway). But damn, giving an identity to the Ripper? That blows! Nothing this bad has happened in cinema since the D&D disaster when the heroes accomplished absolutely nothing in the end. I guess now we need Lord of the Rings more than ever--come on PJ, show the world how to deliver a legend!
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Yeah, I agree there should have been a spoiler warning, but that's why I steer clear of ALL reviews before seeing a film. But I kind of know where Harry is coming from. In the comic Jack's identity is never a secret, it's about Gull from beginning to end. So anyone who's read the comic is going to be sitting there saying, "Get on with it already." Harry put it very well: "A large portion of the problems with this film is that it is an abbreviated version of the source material. The Hughes Brothers obviously love Alan Moore
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I am not saying Harry shouldn't have given warning. That goes without saying. BUT BUT BUT if you claim to be such a JACK enthusiast, why the HELL havn't you read "FROM HELL" by Alan Moore? You MUST go get the thing immediately. It was painstakingly researched and the film is almost like a trailer for the graphic novel. GO GO GO. It is fine, fine reading. I think I shall follow in your footsteps next time I am in London and visit some places. THanks for the idea.
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......the use of the word BANGTAIL.
These women work twice as hard as other women workers in the world and do they warrant any respect from the fat and lazy and disgusting people of the Earth? Do they really NOT provide a home for your disgusting and shriveled weiner nicely shink-wrapped in latex and ribbed NOT FOR HER PLEASURE, but in fact fulfilling the little joke of the condom industry? YESSSS!!! WHORES DESERVE MORE RESPECT GODDAMMIT!!!! If the whores of the world just collectively decided to TAKE A DAY OFF I'll bet you and the rest of the Talk Backers here, (myself included!), the whole of congress, and every fucking blue collar worker in the world who DEPEND ON THAT AFTERNOON BLOWJOB TO STAY SANE, would lose their fucking minds! There would be a crisis, Harry. A crisis that you could have helped prevent. These are the people that we depend on, who in turn depend on the whores of America to maintain their sanity.
Without these whores who would dress up in mommy-outfits and make grown men wear diapers and throw their food in oversized hi-chairs? Without whores, who would give us the lovingly sweet and slippery rim-jobs that we as AMERICANS DESERVE??? Without whores, who would drive the sins out of our hearts with a leather whip and call us SCUM like we truly know we are? Think about these things, Harry. WE NEED WHORES! Whores are people too, Harry. They're not BANGTAILS or ASSPIES or CUMCATCHERS or any of the other foul terms you may use to describe them. They are people, Harry. Real people, people with emotions. My mother is long dead now, because she gave the wrong guy a dose of something nasty, but out of respect for her, I won't say what that was. But, if she could see what you wrote, there would be a tear in her overly-madeup eye, streaking mascara in a thick, not-quite-tear-like line to her frighteningly red lips. THINK ABOUT THAT MAN!!!! Think about that. And, see "From Hell" Jack the Ripper was BAD BAD BAD man and the whores of America request kindly that none of you regulars in Talk Back, (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!) turn out like him. -
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Oct 20, 2001 3:40:08 AM CDT
Harry let's BAN any wussy who complains about "Spoilers" or
by bari umenema
You pansy fags need to stop reading this site since ITS ENTIRE RAISON D'ETRE IS TO SPOIL YOUR PRISTINE MOVIEGOING EXPERIENCE! What a bunch of idiots. "Oh the spoilers are ruining it for me! Oh please stop Harry! No! Don't! Don't stop! I want to know everything about a movie starting with a detailed review of the script, a detailed report of the production, a detailed recapping of the audience test screenings, but don't spoil any of the surprises for me or I'll post against that!" You filmic fags should all be drafted and sent on suicide missions to Afghanistan, why should we waste the brave men in Special Forces when you twerps are so damn expendable?
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Oct 20, 2001 3:49:26 AM CDT
"The opium den feels like a tea party with a couple of nude tato
by buzz maverik
I like tea. I like parties. I like nude tatooed chicks. I like opium (there was a great article in VANITY FAIR last year about how this writer decided he wanted to smoke opium in a real opium den only there aren't any and there isn't any opium. He finally got some but no den. It had lots of old, cool illustrations and photos). I opened my own opium den. In retrospect, I think I would have been more successful if I'd let other people in. Also, I had problems with the coolies. They could brew a decent cup of black tea and when they tried to dump me on the dais, they kept missing and I kept hitting the floor, which I think they did on purpose as revenge for me abducting them off the streets of Hong Kong.
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I watched the review on Ebert and Roeper and they loved it. They really liked how it was less about gore and more like a psychological thriller. However, like Harry said, these guys were limited for the R rating. They had planned for gore and stuff but just couldn't get away with it. The movie starts, you meet the characters, you know EXACTLY who will die and who won't and just have to sit for 2 hours for Depp to find out. And then, there's no climax!!! What the hell?! Just, okay, it's over. Then, Depp's back to smoking out, but wait, not quite (avoiding spoiler). Why? Just seemed a little confused in itself.
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Have you ever worked in a corporate environment? If you have, you should know what I am going to talk about. You see, I can dig The Mole because I understand what it stands for: it is a game. Life is a game. Every day in the corporate world the almight $$$$ is what's king. And so, what comes with $$$$ comes power, and with power comes the corrupt game of intrigue and anxiety of who gets the axe next. So, The Mole being a game show based upon real events happening to make the game work, it's just like how the corporate world works. If you don't know what's what, I don't blame you. I think The Mole is better serving as a measure of society than other entertainment, like fictional media. That's why I enjoy it.
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Speak louder you twunt, so we can hear how well you do an English accent.
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Oct 20, 2001 8:24:57 AM CDT
HARRY YOU FUCING CHUMP!!!!!!!!! WHERE'S THE SPOILER WARNING?
by sergio kidmark
Thanks a fucking BUNCH harry - like I REALLY wanted to know who the killer was. You arsehole.
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Highly recommend the 'Jack the Ripper' with Michael Caine for his perfomance as Abberline. Don't expect Johnny Depp. :)
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Highly recommend the 'Jack the Ripper' with Michael Caine for his perfomance as Abberline. Don't expect Johnny Depp. :)
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Gull is the Ripper ... wow... really ... guys Gull's the ripper in every 2nd ripper film. It's been pretty much disproven as a theory of course but it makes for a good film premise. Druitt or somene like him are more likely as the Ripper, hell Aberline is more likely as the Ripper. Gull as the ripper in this flick isn't a spoiler, anyone but Gull now then it would of been a spoiler.
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I am in strange territory indeed... I looked to see what hell looked like, and I ended up the first in the room.
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Damn page loads slow, I am not the first to see Hell. I shall return to my hole in the wall and wait for my next chance to see Hell again.
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Oct 20, 2001 10:26:39 AM CDT
Is there such a thing as a "spoiler" when it comes to the Hughes
by walterpaisley
Haven't seen FROM HELL yet, but my above statement is definitely true regarding MENACE II SOCIETY and DEAD PRESIDENTS, two films that lifted whole scenes from other (better) movies. Probably won't see FROM HELL -- not for this reason, but because the Brothers Hughes didn't cast Kate Winslet as "The Tart," the only part she was born to play. Watch A STUDY IN TERROR tonight and tell me you can't picture Leo's love from TITANIC with her hand on her hip saying, "I betta be careful, Gov'na! Jack tha Rippa's on the loose, love!"
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So I must praise him when he does something right. I really appreciate how he treated the Episode 2 rough cut review, thanks a lot. I am one of those people who insisted that it was Harry who gave away the ending to Planet of the Apes, because I had no idea WHERE that Lincoln statue fit in the movie until I read his tirade. It is very likely that I would have forgotten about that revelation while watching it, had I just read the Drudge article. Anyway, Harry did a really good job here- I clicked on the link not because I wanted to really read spoilers, I just wanted to see how the guy reviewing it liked the movie. I slowly inched my way down the page, and I realized that Harry was really taking every measure to warn us about the material we were about to read, and he even made us highlight the text so we wouldn't accidentally learn something we didn't want to learn. Anyway, I just wanted to say thanks. You can delete this message if you want- I know it's off topic. I posted it under the "From Hell" review because I wanted to make sure I didn't accidentally read spoiler info in the SW talkback.
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...wanted to see this film for ages as is quite possible that my great grandad was the real ripper... true!
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I saw From Hell yesterday and would have to say I agree with Harry's analysis. My biggest problem with the film was Heather Graham - I haven't liked her in anything I've seen her in - she's rather plastic, and Mary was a Barbie doll, not a whore,nor an abused ex-innocent trying to make a living either (the two ways I think the part could have gone). Robbie Coltrane was brilliant. For me, the combination of Depp/Holm/Coltrane was worth the price of admission. There were times that I thought I was watching a remake of Murder By Decree - substitute Depp for Plummer and add some kissing. MBD was the better film.
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Stale Elivis, you claim your great granddad might have been the real ripper? Who was he? Whoever the ripper was, he certainly wasn't Gull. I heard somewhere (maybe here?) that even Alan Moore no longer believes the Ripper might have been Gull.
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Im from england so i havent seen from hell yet but ive read the classic Alan moore comic. And you are ment to no who the killer is from the outset you follow his chareter as he dewelves into madness thats the point of having known the killer from the start.
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I'll still go see it to see how hiphop directors handle this...gotta be better than the Drew B. Flick
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She rips her clothes off and fucks any bloke who wanders into her opium den. Then she pulls out a knife and rips them open from sternum to scrotum. Then she pulls out their innards and tosses them to little beggar children starving in the streets. Then she seduces Johnny Pep and rips his throat open from ear to ear. Then she hangs him upside down out the window by his heels and the little beggar children open their mouths so they can drink his blood to quench their thirst. You'll see all of this good stuff on the DVD.
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And you were upset Harry let slip about how the Titanic sank at the end of that film maybe? Sounds like thoroughly covered, thoroughly disproven territory set in a well photographed movie based on a novel by a great writer (go ahead and bash; Alan Moore is one of the best novelists currently working).
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I just watched "From Hell" last night and the film was grusome as is. It's not what you see but what you don't see that makes the film so distrubing. The flash cutting was used by Hitchcock as well, adding a few frames of jolting footage to keep the audience on edge and that techique works very well here. But what really adds to the film are the savage sound effects. The Hughes Brothers give just enough to go "ugh" and that's enough for me.
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Moore is a great writer, but his work on the Ripper is pure fiction. If the goal is to discover the real truth about the identity of the Ripper, accusing Gull and implicating the British government and even Queen Victoria is irresponsible and wrong. The so-called "Royal Conspiracy" theory of the Ripper might make interesting fiction, but bears little resemblence to the reality of the case. A good site to check out on the facts of the Ripper case is "www.casebook.org" Barron out.
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From Hell was a purdy-lookin' thriller devoid of thrills. DVD-added gore won't help this one. Without going into detail, I don't know if that stuff about the prince and the masonic rituals was lifted out of the comic book or not, but it was a big disappointment (and ultimately just plain silly). As for the acting... Robbie Coltrane was wonderful. Like the subject line says: For a dose of Ripper fun, rent TIME AFTER TIME (only available on VHS, and dammit, that ain't right)!
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Jesus shut the hell up all you lot talking shit the ripper was never cort all the comic did was give Alan moores view of who he thort it was. Thoughout the whole comic book you no who the killer is thats what is great you watch this guy do some truly evil shit{i should no im english} then get away with it your seeing the picture of the killers desent into madness unfold in front of you well thats what the comic was like not to sure about the film. BUT IT AINT A BLOODY SPOILER THIS AINT A SHITTY SLASHER FILM!!!!
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Hey assmunch, review the movie for what is on the screen, not what you've read in the source material and thought it could be. Yes, chubby, we all know that you get inside looks at stuff. We're all real proud of you. However, by you wasting sentences by telling us what is going to be on the dvd, and what you saw in Prauge, you plain forget to review the movie for what it is. Hopefully your Monsters Inc Review isn't of the cafeteria at Pixar studios which naturally gave you a first hand look behind the scenes.
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Oct 20, 2001 7:22:19 PM CDT
Sorry, but the best Ripper flick will always be "Time After Time
by smugbug
It as a great script - afterall it was written and directed by Nicholas Meyer. Good stuff. Anyways, I HATE the MPAA. When I was 14, I snuck in the theater to see Alien. Yeah, it scared the bejesus out of me, but hey, I survived - with flying colors. But what a goddamn great flick, right? Okay, maybe I'll wait on this one until that Director's Cut DVD comes out - I'd rather see it first in the way it was intended.
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I just came back from watching the movie. I loved it. I loved the fact that we don't see all the gore - personally, I love gore as much as the next guy, but sometimes it just detracts from the story. For the idiots who think that the movie was stupid for "identifying" the Ripper, um, go away. Whenever you breathe you use up valuable air. I thought the painful hyper-virginity of Heather Graham's character (Mary Kelly) was actually well done. It had a painful style to it, so that she becomes very mythic in terms of the jeopardy she's in. Obviously, audiences wouldn't give a rat's ass if a street prostitute is about to be killed; it happens all the time and no one gives a damn. Why would they care in a movie? Making her hyper-virginal accentuated the character's value to Aberline and the story and the audience.
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and that may be because I never read the graphic novel, nor am I too familiar with the facts of the actual Ripper case. In any event, everything people have been complaining about was just fine by me. I'm not usually this easy on a movie, but I was very absorbed by every aspect of From Hell. I had really only one worry going in, and that was Heather Graham. While she didn't do anything like or look the part of a prostitute of the era, I think she did a good job. Robbie Coltrane made a lot out of his role but Johnny Depp really carried the weight of the film. He never ceases to amaze me. The man is fantastic. I don't know if he's capable of a bad performance. People say a lot of things about Ed Norton and others, but Depp is most definitely the best actor of his generation. As for Harry's complaints about the lack of gore, I didn't find the movie very suspenseful, but I never thought that the killing scenes veered into typical slasher territory. I'm all for blood, but the murders were tastefully done, and I think had the audience seen much more it would have attained an exploitative Scream feeling. I had heard that From Hell used every cliche in the serial killer book, but that wasn't the case for me. Watching it, I found it as more of a study of London's social structure rather than a slasher flick. Each social tier had a well-represented principal character, and while nowhere near an expert on British history or culture, I found it to be an interesting assessment of the mingling of classes on different social levels. I agree that the final sequences revealing the Ripper's identity and the final slaying were a let down after the subtle build up the rest of the film offered, but despite that I think it remained true to the characters and was glad it didn't cop out and slap on a happy ending. I guess quite a few elements are contrary to the GN, but on it's own merits From Hell is a worthwhile film. It didn't come close to having the effect on me that Mulholland Drive did last weekend, but I feel that it delivered the goods in an unusual way. It was a great deal more than just beautiful production design.
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Remember that Spinal Tap was going to write an opera based on Jack the Ripper? Saucy Jack? They joke about it at the end of the movie, don't tell me I'm the only one who remembers this...When, when will we see the unveiling of this majestic work, oh when?
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Both in Harrys review and in the behind the scenes special we are told that John Merrick aka the Elephant man is in this picture. Can anyone please tell me what he is doing in From Hell
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Sure, it's an R rated film, but go see it, it is easily the scariest movie of the year. I'm a half-assed ripperologist and my biggest problem is how fast and loose they played with history not Alan Moore's story. Nevertheless, it was massively entertaining. Highly recommended.
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E.M. was same time as JTR and was a subject of the royal doctors who figure prominently into From Hell.
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Doofus, it's not a second review. It's a 'fix' of the original which contained no spoiler warning. He edited the 'html' to add the warning after original readers complained. You were later than most to read the article and for reasons that are quite difficult to fathom, decided they were all wrong. All the others are right and you're wrong.
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Does she die in this movie? If she gets gutted, I will go see it! But of course she lives right? I mean she is on the poster! God I hate Heather Graham!
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Well DOHHHH, harry youv'e given away who the murderer was, considering this is still the biggest UNSOLVED series of murders ever, Harry you and the Hughes Brothers outa be applying for the FBI. Oh and for all you whiney ass people YOU SPOILED IT FOR ME, there is a way around this, DONT FUCKIN READ IT, AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
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Yer its me again ive just seen the trailer for from hell and ive got to say Johnny depps cockney accent is laughable i mean its just so funny seeing a well known american actor doing the cockney job. Hes up the apples and pears govna lol
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Good performance by Bilbo. Otherwise, I found the film slow and boring. No suspense.
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Hey, does anyone know any really good Alan Moore fan sites? I am especially interested in finding recent interviews with him. Barron out.
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And that is simply this: Alan Moore, and the Hughes Brothers in their turn, relied on Stephen Knight's ludicrous hypothesis involving the royal family, Sir William Gull, a coachman named Netley, and Mary Kelley as the intentional target of the Ripper from the get-go. There is NOT ONE SPECK OF EVIDENCE for this hypothesis. Not one. Donald Rumbelow debunked the entire story nearly thirty years ago, and Philip Sugden made the case against the Gull/Clarence/Netley case pretty much airtight.
As for other problems...Inspector Abberline was middle aged, not an opium addict, and not a psychic; he never, to anyone's knowledge, met Mary Kelly; Mary Kelly's family was from Ireland but she herself spent much of her early life in Wales and thus was probably not Catholic; there's no evidence she went to France; there was no verifiable Masonic connection to the murders; they bear all the marks of a garden variety serial killer; Jack the Ripper was seen with at least two of his victims before the killings and was youngish, stocky, and bore no resemblance at all to either Sir William Gull or the Duke of Clarence; no carriage was involved; Sir William Gull had suffered a stroke before the murders and was barely able to leave his house, let alone tool around Whitechapel slicing up whores; at least one of the victims was, at most, a very casual prostitute and had stayed out too late to make it back to her lodgings with her common law husband; Mary Kelly wasn't pregnant; and so on and so on and so on.
Yes, it's far more romantic and atmospheric to think the royals and the Masons and the Mafia and the CIA and the KGB and the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderbergers and the men in black and Old Uncle Tom Cobbleigh were involved with the Jack the Ripper killings than to face the truth: Jack the Ripper was a serial killer, probably lower class, and certainly not a toff or a gentleman. He got away because of primitive forensics and policy technique, not because of a royal conspiracy.
In short, he was Arthur Shawcross, not Ted Bundy. It's too bad no one has the courage to make a Ripper film that explores the real milieu of the murders instead of insisting on Masons and Eddy and psychics and assorted drek. -
Hey, they don't have an extended cast listed on IMdB yet, but I swear at the beginning of the movie, one of the Nicholas brothers -- the one with the scar across the left side of his face -- looked like Robert Englund.
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Factually, the Royal Conspiracy Theory of the Ripper killings is nonsense, but it is entertaining as fiction, which is why so many writers of fiction, like Moore, have used it since it was first proposed in the 1970s. One minor point: the real Mary Kelly WAS, in fact, three months pregnant when she was murdered.
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I have to actually side with Harry in his review. I was really disappointed in the movie.
The set design is great, it's certainly stylish but the story is just a jumbled mess. I didn't find it scary at all because of how jumbled it was. Plus, I hate any mystery/thriller who fiddles with the killers voice to try and throw you off track. I will have too pay attention the next time I see the trailer, but Ian Holm's voice is *not* that raspy and gutteral.
I have never read the graphic novel but I can already see how it would be better. There's too much stuff just casually tossed in that really has no bearing on the story. What was the point of Johnny Depp's visions? They were cool, but it wasn't like they helped him out any. Heather Graham was crap as always--she held the accent better than I thought. I can't believe anyone thinks a "virginal whore" helps the story out. Had I been the actress playing Mary Kelly, I really would have wanted to be the tart, go all the way with the role rather than play the perkiest, cleanest whore in all of Whitechapel.
Totally disappointing.
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the editing team from armageddon , hahaha
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http://www.filmjerk.com/011022kfc.html
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Depp was great. But the story moved to slow and the end sucked. Should have seen Zoolander or Corky Ramono
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While not displeased with the movie, it was terribly uneven. My biggest problem was the visions. They did not feel hallucinatory, but rather like bad radio signals sent from the future, a la "Prince of Darkness", pure camera effects, instead of some hazy drug or psychically induced dreamscape. Shakey cameras, quick cuts, scratchy, worn film. It was too techno for my gaslight-loving victorian horror heart. Also, there were no real moments of horror or suspense as far as I could tell other than a few "ouch that hurt like hell" moments of fast track throat slashing. It's very telling when you are in an almsot full theatre and you can't feel any kind of solid audience reation, or even get a good shreik out of someone.
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___I sympathize with Harry on this one, confessing my feeling for the film in some respects are in the same vein. "From Hell", although stylisticly appealing in its seting and mood, is rather sanitized in other capacities, that blunt its intended impact.
__However, the one thing I did like was that I was completely surprised when it was revealed
*SPOILER* that Ian Holm's surgeon was in fact ol' bloody Jack himself (and I chided myself having not seen the connection in the first place). I was completely misled by the red herring that it was Dr. Ferrel. For me, the surprise saved the film and made it worthwhile. I must admit, that simply because it was packaged as a horror/thirler w/ "hot" stars, it appeared intellectually lazy. Trying to solve it howerver, proved anything but. That's a rare experience in a thing nowadays...even if a film is as uneven as "From Hell". -
Oct 22, 2001 12:33:35 PM CDT
Second best movie of year??!?!?! A.(fucking)I. being the first!
by momerath
Oh my god! I can't believe how terrifying that statement is. Heather Graham has no further business on the big screen. She was good in "Boogie Nights" but she needs to go. Her accent sticks out like a sore thumb and doesn't even have a hint of Irish in it (although her character had been raised there till age 8). Johnny Depp was perfect, but he is always great. The death scenes are okay, but nothing to rave about. All in all, the movie is a poorly-threaded, clever-clever mess of bullshit. The directors of this movie showed absolutely no restraint or artistry, often infusing random images and themes just for their own sake (elephant man? Lesbians? Anti-semitism?). Some of the aforementioned themes could indeed have been dealt with in this movie properly, but they weren't. Whatever it was the directors were hoping to achieve by their inclusion alongside such different subject matter was completely undone by their hamfisted portrayal.
Insofar as its achievments, this movie is no better than "The Cell": stringing together yet another forced implausibly convenient love story with film school 101 visuals, which (in this case) consisted of terribly anachronistic MTV style visuals on a moody period piece. That trick worked excellently for "Moulin Rouge", because the whole of point that movie was to present a glitzy, spectacular fairy-tale whirlwind. This movie is another story.
Don't even get me started on the fucking pile of abortive masturbation that was "A.I." In defense of "From Hell," I will say that I didn't hate it. I just know that it is far far far from even being in the top 30 movies of the year, let alone the second best. It may indeed be second to "A.I.", but that ain't sayin' much. -
O piss off you fucking arse hole A.I was one of the best films of the bloody year such a great film to look at and has so much to think about. You dont get many great films like a.i coming out at the cinemas any moore because film makers just seem to forget how to make films good or even itresting any more.
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A little background:
I've always loved Hammer films. I found Tim Burton's "Sleepy Hollow" to be about the closest thing to a modern day Hammer movie since the late 60's Dracula and Frankenstein sequels.
With that in mind, I saw "From Hell", a movie I've been looking forward to for over a year as I've been a huge fan of Alan Moore's graphic novel.
Easily the coolest movie I've seen in years. Adapted (with some of the unfortunate Hollywood trappings) from the huge graphic novel, is arguably one of, if not the best written product of the medium, the movie does lose a lot of the sub plots and perhaps excess baggage from the novel, it still has a lot going for it. A good comparison would be to say it relates as much to it's source material as "Horror of Dracula" did to Stoker's novel. And HOD was one of the best vampire movies ever made.
While Harry slams the movie for it's lack of "guts", I thought it had enough graphic blood n' guts to satisfy most gorehounds. It has great period atmosphere and fine acting all the way around. Ian Holm *is* William Gull. I didn't mind as much as some people regarding Heather Graham's character but yes, as a hooker, she should have been portrayed more like her friends, and not some almost virginal victim-to-be.
I have read some complaints and comments about the inclusion of the "Elephant Man." Mainly, WTF is he doing in the movie!?! In the graphic novel, The Elephant Man has a more prominant (but still
minor) role in the story. In the novel, Dr. Gull "interviews" E-Man and comments about how his appearence may be regarded as Godlike, comparing E-Man to Ganesha, the Hindu God who has the head of an elephant. The whole
conversation ties in better with Gull's "search" for God, heaven, hell and his psychotic visions, a major character point that went almost ignored in the movie.
While I was disappointed in some of the alterations in the story, overall, I was pretty happy with the end product. Even watered down and compromised as it stands, it has *far* more going for it then just about anything else that has been released this year.
I really hope that a *lot* more scenes were filmed but cut that would expand on the story and include more material from the novel. It appeared that the movie was a bit too tightly edited and it would make a nice special edition dvd with a lot of additional material incorporated back into the film.
Any movie that has a cameo by the Elephant Man gets my vote!
T.B.
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Oct 22, 2001 5:20:28 PM CDT
You guys think Heather Grahem is bad NOW? Anybody remember her
by elgyn6655321
She stood there and read her lines like a ROBOT!
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All you dumbshits do is bitch and bitch. Fuck off. You ass monkeys don't like shit. Get your fuckin heads examined. Then go back and learn why we go to the movies. And stop acting like spoiled Bitches. Buncha Dickheads. By the way, From Hell was cool. Wacked but definately cool. End of story.
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and defend From Hell. So what if Heather Graham doesn't fuck a guy in an alley? So what if the murder scenes weren't pushing the envelope in gore? That isn't what From Hell was about. The point of the film is about the disintegration of society based on integration. I haven't read the graphic novel, but watching the flick on Saturday night I kept thinking that it wasn't really about Jack the Ripper. It wasn't really about the murders. It wasn't really about Abberline. It was about London, and more than that, I saw a whole lot relating to contemporary culture. I'm not surprised that the Hughes Bros. took an interest in this subject matter. This is a cause and effect film that just happens to be set around a serial killing spree. The conspiracy theory, as proposterous as I guess it is, illustrates how destructive the mingling of social classes was a century ago, and is still seen that way today. Each social class had a main character: upper nobility had Gull, the lower class was represented by Mary Kelly, and the middle class by Abberline. Abberline could somewhat easily go between the classes, but I noticed that he was just as uncomfortable on the streets of Whitechapel as he was at a prestigious fund raiser, where John Merrick was just as exploited, if not more, than he had been when he was a sideshow attraction. Abberline was a man who fit in nowhere, yet had to occupy everywhere. Even in the scene in his own home, he had to divert to drugs to escape his own life. In his home, he had the phonograph machine much the same way many people use a TV. Some have expressed their dismay that he was an opium-user and most distressing was that he had these "visions". Abberline chased the dragon so he could escape the reality of his life, but it's ironic that the opium hurled him so much further into reality than it would had he gone about his life without it. His romance with Heather Graham was by no means a typical Hollywood studio fling. They never had sex, they never said "I love you" and they didn't end up together. His relationship with her is just as uncomfortable as his acquaintance with Gull. He recognizes the stigma of her being a prostitute - coupled with the fact that she's next in line for the Ripper to mutilate, Abberline doesn't try to save her as much as he just tries to save himself from any more pain - which is what addiction is about, hiding from reality. Yet, Abbeline's life is deeply ingrained in reality, and the realities presented in the hellish vision of Whitechapel parallel that of any contemporary urban setting, specifically in the US. The looky-loos at the murder scenes anxious to see blood, the photographers and press trying to get a good angle to sell papers - all of these elements have become more and more universal. That the killings were in essence sanctioned by the government is reminiscent of many underhanded things we hear about and speculate on all the time. The volatile combination of social classes and religions is bound to produce hysteria, confusion and even brutal murder to preserve outdated tradition and image. Many have a problem with Heather Graham - I was surprised at how good she was. She didn't sink the film in any way, and there was little chemistry between her and Depp because the two characters were attempting to hide their attraction, as it wasn't socially or morally acceptable for a mingling of their classes either.
Also, the probability that an educated person was in fact Jack the Ripper is high, because in 1888 the only people with even a cursory knowledge of anatomy were in the upper class, the only people who could afford the higher education that would offer that instruction. Or butchers and vets, as the film explored. There wasn't high school biology class back then. I don't profess to know much about London's social structure, but I don't feel like I need to - many of the elements incorporated into the film are universal. If one goes into From Hell expecting a briskly paced fright factory, they're going to be disappoined. The two hours is slowly paced and there are absolutely no jump scares at all. The direction, cinematography, editing, production design, sound design, etc. all form a cohesive whole of slowly mounting tension and atmosphere. I think From Hell is being sold way too short by critics and talkbackers who don't want to look deeper into it. It really is a smart film that stayed with me quite a while after I left the theater. It may have played fast and loose with history, but a by-the-numbers account of what actually happened would be boring, and since there is no clear-cut defining documentation, it's a great well of possibilities that can be tapped. This is the perfect Halloween film for one who wants a little more than the string of mindless scares that will be 13 Ghosts. All the naysayers should reconcile their expectations with the finished film, and think about it from an angle outside the slasher spectrum. For me, it succeeded on every level, and Robbie Coltrane's bit of business at the end was excellent. If it had challenged me on as many levels as Mulholland Drive, I would be quick to pick this as my favorite film of the year thus far. Say what you will, but From Hell is one of the more rewarding film experiences I've had in a while. -
For a guy who's from "England", your "English" really sucks.
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Yes i do agree my english is very poor but come on just cus im a bloody limey doesent mean ive got the best spelling of the english language. You yanky twat
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John Brahm pic 1944 starring Laird Cedgar as the aponymous Lodger. Time after Time was a fascile one dimensional piece of dog poo. Try obtaining a knowledge of cinema history ie pre 1979. Cinema didn't start with Star Wars you know.
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A good interview with Alan Moore from The Onions movie site here:
www.theonionavclub.com/avclub3738/avfeature_3738.html
He talks about the movie and comics and all that good stuff.
s.l.
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I haven't seen the movie, but I read the screenplay, and it's far, far away from that brilliant masterpiece the comic-book was.
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Hey, I became a Johnny Depp fan because of SLEEPY HOLLOW, but ain't this just a copy?
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I just read what you wrote. I thought the film was great but you just wrote one of the best analysis of this film that I have read. Excellent. You pointed out many things I had not seen.
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Oct 27, 2001 1:32:34 AM CDT
Huge logic gap involving the Mary Kelly murder, no explanation
by lt. torello
This is a late post, probably no one's gonna read it, but anyway... In the film, Abberline enters the crime scene and discovers a lock of brown hair. This is his (and our) big clue that Mary was not the one killed, but it was that French prostitute rooming with her. Here's the prob, Bob: The Mary Kelly crime scene was scrupulously photographed and as hacked apart as that poor woman was, her face was still recognizable. Abberline - and anyone else who knew Mary - would have realized immediately that wasn't her. Hell, the police photographer even took pictures of her eyeballs because there was a theory at the time that the last image the victim saw would still be impinted on them. The Hughes Bros are stylish but derivative, and for all the smoke they blow about doing research, their knowledge of Ripper lore has some serious holes. When George Lusk receives half a liver and the "From Hell" note, it's never explained who he was and why he, not a cop or newspaper man, was the one who was sent this clue. (Lusk headed a vigilante committee that held public protests against what it considered improper protection by the police). Lastly, there's a very good case to be made that the killer was an American abortionist named Tumblety. When are we gonna see a Ripper movie that gets it right????
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Oct 27, 2001 3:34:39 AM CDT
Wasn't there an old Star Trek episode (original series) that
by petros000
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Hey assholes, this whole site is basically about spoilers and reviews about movies/TV shows and whatnot. If you don't like it like that go to a diff., non-spoiler site. REVIEWS, in this case, means talking about a movie AFTER you see it, meaning spoilers. Previews are the exact opposite. So quit cryin about the spoilers on this site and read the PREVIEWS, smart-ass bastards.
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Hey Whats with Jacks Eyes changing color when hes evil other noted eye tricks are people with lobotamies have smokey gray eyes. Neat for dramatic effect but a little bit more of a cheat then dramatic lighting(for me anyway) But I guess its not a big deal like those sound fx of knifes in the air. Jack the ripper has been in space more then any other serial killer. He was in star trek as a alien that feeds off of fear and also in babylon 5 as being kept alive for hundreds of years by the Vorlons to help torture humans (cool)
I hope to see him again soon in a star wars movie. BTW I liked this movie never mind the JFK Like theories.I must say being a big David Lynch Film Buff I liked the little cross over fella. A nice departure from the modern Blaxploytaion films these kids are known for. -
Hello fellow talkbackers
Lets all forget what harry did becuase hey it happens to all of us i mean when havent you given the ending or some part of a movie away to one of your freinds. I say it happens so like the Beatles said Let It Be.
A couple Thoughts on From Hell
Saw this on Firday At Movies Ten. Me and my girl who will call Nips were the only ones in the theater keep in mind this was the 5:00pm show. Here are a few thoughts i had.
Why not get a block of wood to play Heather Grahams part i mean she just seemd so wodden. The sets on the outher had made me want to cream my pants. I hope this a least gets an oscar for set desing and for Robbie coltrains preformance i mean i found him more understandble than Depps charcter. All in all an exclent midnight movie fare
The son of john is out
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I'm not seeing any boards on this site about "Donnie Darko." I just saw it and it was great! The trailers are a bit misleading, so don't expect to see some kid go on a rampage. It's more of a drama about a teenager who may or may not be going insane. Really strange and twisted. Great acting. Well worth seeing.
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Hi,
This is my first post on AICN!
Anyway, I was reading all the various theories/ debunking etc flying around and it seems to me that most people missed the point of Alan Moore's novel!
I'm not being particularly clever here - it's all in the back of the book in the excellent notes.
Moore says (I paraphrase) 'We are never going to find out who did it now - it's too long, and all the footprints have been walked over by other ripper-o-logists over the years. All the clues that we might ever have found have been found - any further books on the subject will be debating thing like Marie Kelly's hair colour or favourite tipple.'
He also explains at length why he chose Steve Knight's theory and why it's not really important that it was this one. He also looks at the various debunkings of the myth. What Moore is investigating is serial murder in general - NOT THE SPECIFICS OF THE RIPPER - social conditions (particularly for women), and our own facination with such dark doings.
One of the things he is explicitly saying about the Ripper is 'Blimey, it's a bit odd that so many people are so passionate about this sordid and depressing tale - what does that say about us?'
He uses the Ripper murders because of what happened in the press - the Ripper murders assumed such prominance becasue of a nacent circulation war amongst the scandal rags that would become our dreadful tabloid 'Sun', 'Star' and 'Mirror' titles in the UK.
What seems to be a problem with the movie, from what I've read about it, is that they have turned it into Sleepy Hollow. SH is a great movie in its own right, but From Hell the novel is not really a fantasy horror tale.
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Finally, someone else in the universe who not only saw "Murder by Decree", which was a beautifully done Jack the Ripper tale, but realized that if you have seen the 1970's tale, that From Hell lacks the inventiveness necessary to retell the same story. I was expecting great things, but could not help but notice it was shadow to "Murder by Decree". Whew! 'bout time I read something smarter than People magazine.
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I looove Johnny Depp!!!!!!!!..he is one of the greatest actors!! he was soo good in from hell, and in every movie.....in just about every movie he has another totally awesome accent!! can't wait to see chocolat that is gonna be soo cool!
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hahhahha, whoa I just stumbled onto a timewarp reading my own talkback re. spoilers. Anyway, caught it on TMN (Canadian HBO, eh.) I missed the first 30 min or so, but figured out what was going on. And I knew Holm was the killer because I STILL remembered this review (see my post above from Oct. 2001!) when Harry posted it without the invisio-text. Well that and, frankly, the dude was ASH in Alien and aside from Depp and maybe Caryle he was the only thesp in the flick to have enough acting chops to pull off the ripper. Anyways, the gore was ok. not nearly enough of it. Ripper's motivations KIND OF made sense, but not really. Not enough to creep you out. He was really cool and all, but its Holm its his job to be cool. I think it got burried in free Masons technobable or whatever. Still, looked cool but only enough to recomend watching it as I did .. . 3 years later and for free on TV.
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