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Quint hates MONSTERS INC!!!! (and if ya believe that, I've got a 14 inch serrated...)

Published at:  Oct 19, 2001 10:26:56 PM CDT

Hey folks, Harry here... Quint is about to lay it all out for ya, and my review is coming very soon... I've only got one more to write before that! Here ya go...





Ahoy there, squirts. 'Tis I, the big, furry, cuddly (and don't forget crusty) ol' seaman, Quint, here to give you folks my opinion of Pixar's newest work of wonder, Monsters, Inc. I saw the film at a press screening, which made me a bit nervous. To anyone who has ever been to a press screening in their life, they know what I'm talking about. The theater is usually only a row or two full and those that attend the screening usually follow the standard journalistic code of not letting the film effect them, not showing any emotion whatsoever, which more often than not includes laughter.

Monsters, Inc. is the kind of movie I wanted to see with a room full of kids. Sure, there were bound to be those little rat-bastard children that sit behind you with their daddy or mommy and ask their parent in a very loud voice, "Why did he do that daddy? Who is that daddy? What is that daddy?" and even worse, the idiotic adult (who should know better) who shouts back to the child every answer to every question. At a screening with kids there's always the risk of those who don't know to keep quiet, those who relentlessly kick the back of your chair over and over and over again, those that spend 20 minutes opening the noisiest bag of candy known to man, but then again... you get that more often than not with adults as well. At least a room full of kids wouldn't place themselves above the movie, feel they're better than the film. I identify more with the point of view of children than of critics at a film like this. Children go into movies to have fun, to be entertained and they see only the good. Critics go in to tear the film apart, to find all the flaws and dwell on them, even to the point of missing the film as a whole.

At any rate, I got the press screening way too damned early in the morning and was exposed to the latest in the great run of kids films that was started earlier in the year with Rodriguez's Spy Kids, continued with Shrek and maybe even Cats and Dogs. I love, love, love Pixar. With each new film they put out, they raise the bar in both animation and interesting stories. Toy Story. Great film, entertaining for both kids and adults. Established a new animation style and technique and as a result gave the viewer a feeling of discovery. It had a magic. A Bug's Life. Damn fun film that took the animation established in Toy Story and improved upon it. The story might not have been up to par with Toy Story, but it was far from being a piece of shit. Toy Story 2. An amazing movie that took everything that the original did right and ran with it while also smoothing out and adding depth to the animation. Now Monsters, Inc. takes the next step.

Pixar's animation is unique thing in and of itself. I don't think of their films as cartoons, though I know damn right that's what they are when you get down to it. Actually, I met John Goodman in New York over the summer after I saw him in The Seagull. I asked him what he had coming up and he considered for a second then said, "There's that cartoon I did with Billy Crystal." I thought, "Wow... I've never heard of this... big scoop for me!" I then said, "And you also did Monsters, Inc, too, right?" I realized too late that I fucked up. He just kinda laughed and told me that was the one. I just don't think "Cartoon" when I think of Pixar. (Seaman sidenote: Goodman was a very funny and approachable guy... I mean, he had fun with myself, Captain Fantasy and Auntie Meat, though we were all geeking out bigtime, us all being Big Lebowski lovers. I just might be getting you folks an interview with the man himself, although it's all in his hands. After handing him my card, I asked for some number to contact to set the interview up and he said, "Well, here it is, but don't worry. I'll give you a call. I'm not a dick. I don't think anybody cares about what I have to say, but I'll call you. I'm not a dick." That was in August... DICK! hehehe. Never fear, folks, this old salt is on the mutha. We'll see if I can't wrangle some time out of the man)

Anyway, back to Pixar... What Pixar is best at, and keep proving that they are with each successive film, is subtlety. Subtlety in both animation and laughs. They are great at giving great realism to their characters. That's what separates their work like Monsters, Inc from crap 3D animation like Jimmy Neutron. Their work on Monsters, Inc is mind-blowing. The fur on John Goodman's character, Sulley, was amazingly real. There was never a point where I said, "Well, that looks like... well, Jimmy Neutron..." While watching the film, you'll think you could just reach out and pet Sulley and you're sure that it's nice and soft.

Pixar also again proves their talents for making the jokes, gags and funnies in the film accessible to all age groups. I can't think of one joke that I cringed at. Some jokes are less effective than others, but none fell flat on their faces. This is thanks to two things. One, the great writing team. They came up with some great jokes that'll fly over most kid's heads, but will be caught by their more mature accompaniment. Keep an eye out for the great Abominable Snowman snow cone joke. Then there are jokes that are aimed right at kids, but aren't dumbed down for them, thus can be enjoyed by everyone. The other reason these jokes work comes down to the great voice cast, specifically John Goodman and Billy Crystal. They have a great chemistry and just bounce of each other like you wouldn't believe. Of course they're backed up by such great talent (with great voices) like Steve Buscemi, Jennifer Tilly and James Coburn.

I think it's a great testament to the film that I was able to fall in love with it at this screening, in a room filled with (mostly) silent journalists, without the laughter of a roomful of kids or other likeminded adults. Every once in a while I'd hear Harry laugh from the other side of the theater (most notably at the mention of a big restaurant, Harryhausen's), get a giggle out of Auntie Meat or Patch or even a chuckle from (gasp! shock!) Massawyrm, but I can remember hearing only one other person laughing and I think it was The Daily Texan's film guy. But I still belched out some deep guttural laughs, the rest of the journalists be damned.

How does Monsters, Inc compare to Pixar's last few flicks? I think it was just as entertaining as Toy Story 2, but TS2 had a bit more deeper sentiment than Monsters, Inc. So I'd say Toy Story 2 was a better film, but as movies they're equals if you know what I mean. How does it compare to this year's other monster CG animated flick? I dug Shrek quite a lot. Actually, I liked it a lot more than most I know, but Monsters, Inc has got it beat in my book.

I imagine you'd know what this film is about and if you don't... crawl out from under your rock and catch up on your trailers! I cannot recommend this film enough. I can't imagine not liking this film. Only those with a dry, shriveled black heart could hate this film. In all seriousness, this is the kind of movie that parents have complained aren't around and kids have been screaming for. At the very, very, very least, giving the film as little credit as you possibly can, it's a great way to hold you and your youngsters over 'til Harry Potter next month.

I gotta shove off now, squirties. Jack Black and KG ("That's me!") are performing in a few hours and I got tickets to see them. How could I pass up the best band in the world? Keep yer eyes on the horizon, mates, fer this old salt has some barnacle crusted goodies to share with you in the very near future. Interviews, film reviews and script reviews aplenty! 'Til that day, this is Quint bidding you all a fond farewell and adieu.

-Quint

email: I remember a lonely night at sea and the sweet feeling of the octopus' ink jet... ah ye land lubbers don't know the like!









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  • Oct 19, 2001 10:41:05 PM CDT

    FIRST!!

    by thedarkjoker

    Yea FIRST!!

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  • Oct 19, 2001 10:46:43 PM CDT

    Pixar = what Disney (the corporation NOT the man) was and should

    by brian 2000

    "I dont make pictures to make money, I make money to make more pictures." - Walt Disney. Oh how sad it is. Keep up the good work Lasseter!

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  • Oct 20, 2001 12:02:11 AM CDT

    Yeah i was gonna say the same thing about the caricature...

    by sgt. bilko

    The old was was a lot better.

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  • Oct 20, 2001 1:49:54 AM CDT

    a lot of animated movies are better than Shrek.

    by a goonie

    including last summer's "Atlantis: The Lost Empire." and no, i'm not joking.

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  • Oct 20, 2001 2:05:32 AM CDT

    I'm with the Doc.

    by prankster

    I know this is a minority, but I thought Shrek was highly mediocre. A few good moments but an utterly disjointed plot with no focus at all, very little imagination, ugly design. I mean, half the movie is them walking through fields of sunflowers, with a totally random Robin Hood sequence tossed in to fill up the time. This is an animated movie, they should be able to come up with interesting stuff to fill the screen with. Actually I had the same problem with Antz to a lesser degree. The whole enterprise of "Shrek" felt half-baked, and I'm depressed that people are putting it alongside "Toy Story" as one of the great animated films. Atlantis had flaws, but it mostly involved having too many original ideas rather than not enough like Shrek. That makes it superior in my book...

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  • Oct 20, 2001 2:05:33 AM CDT

    Great review, thanks for not telling us that John G.'s chara

    by sopranofella

    This movie looks sweet, I hate little kids too, Shrek was pretty good-nothing groundbreaking, pepsi tastes good.

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  • Oct 20, 2001 2:56:16 AM CDT

    Well how could it possibly be bad??

    by essemtee

    Three very well-made movies to Pixar's credit, and they mess up with this new one? Can't happen!
    And I agree on the whole 'kids behind you asking silly questions' thing... except in the case of watching Toy Story 2. A young lad and his mom were sitting right behind me, I heard a delighted "Toy Storeee, Twooooo!" during the title sequence, and a "See? He's okay!" from mom after Mr. Potato Head almost got steamrolled by a giant pipe. Aside from that, not a peep, not a question. A lot of laughing from the whole audience in the right places, though. I expect the same from Monsters Inc.

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  • Oct 20, 2001 2:57:55 AM CDT

    Pixar rocks and I LOVED Shrek

    by jmyoda

    Pixar is the best. I love Toy Story 1 and 2 and I love Bugs Life. However they have to watch out for those DreamWorks guys now. I don't care what any of you fucking lame ass fanboys say, Shrek was the best film of the year thus far. I've noticed the people who claim not to like it just do so because they think it's cool not to like something that almost everyone else loves. Read Roger Ebert's review of Shrek, dead-on shit. That man knows movies and knows how to write, not like the staff here. Not to say he's infallible (The Usual Suspects) but I'd take his word over all the staffers and all the fanboys here any day. Atlantis sucked ass, might have been good if the animation wasn't so shitty. Disney peeked with the beautiful masterpiece "The Lion King" and then it all fell apart. If you wanna see a awesome 2D animated film go rent the brilliant "Iron Giant", man I love that film. That film made me feel like a kid again (see Mr. Lucas, it IS possible!). It made me feel the way ET does and I don't have the nostalgic connection to it like I do ET so that's an impressive feat indeed. Titan AE was really good but the shitty rocked soundtrack hurt it. I still love Final Fantasy even if it has zip to do with the games. It's just so beautiful and mesmerizing to watch. Oh well I've rambled on long enough.

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  • Oct 20, 2001 3:23:13 AM CDT

    All right!

    by mod29

    I can't wait for this film to come out. I'm going up to the El Capitan to check out this baby.... rolling out the dough and everything. But really, Shrek was okay. I am not saying that to be different and I am not saying that because i am a disney freak... It just wasn't for me. It was definately not anything close to any pixar film. Antz was good though. but shrek... blegh, coulda been better. Another thing.... how was tenacious d!?!?!?! Nov. 20. Cox Arena, San Diego. Weezer & Tenacious D.... the best band(s) in the world!! AGH! I CANNOT WAIT ANY LONGER!! The day will come... the day will come...

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  • Oct 20, 2001 3:45:16 AM CDT

    Iron Giant

    by j dog jenkins

    I agree. Iron Giant was the typ of animated film i would definitely like to see more of. Brad Bird and everyone associated with that film did thier job superbly. It was original, it was fucking funny, and it had amazing animation. It may not have been the groundbreaking shit Disney constanly cranks ot bu it wasn't the point. It was supposed to have that wondrous 50's comic book feel. And in hi-res they almost did jump off the screen. What kills me about this film is how it was almost completely ignored. Critically lauded as one of the best animated films of the decade and it was ignored. No cartoon has touched me the way that film did and its climax was one of the most emotional things I had seen since Lion King's death of Mufasa. I urge anyone reading this to go rent this movie NOW! you will not be disappointed.

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  • Oct 20, 2001 3:45:23 AM CDT

    Shrek was horrible!!!

    by egocentric

    Why did people respond to this movie so much? Not one original song in the movie. Do you remember Scary Movie? Do you remember that scene where the girl did the Matrix parody followed by the riverdance stuff? Remember Shrek? Same damn joke, EXACTLY! Whoever said the Robin Hood stuff was thrown in for filler is right! It's just like the creators really didn't put much thought into it. Shrek came out during a movie dry spell and audiences went nuts. I can't believe we will see another one.

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  • Oct 20, 2001 4:07:19 AM CDT

    Yes Shrek is overrated and yes Monsters Inc will kick it's a

    by attackingclone

    The best parts of Shrek were in its trailer and that was in front of just about every movie for 2 months prior to it coming out. so IMO Shrek is heaps overrated and doesnt deserve 250mil plus or a sequel. Pixar is the best studio out, with dreamworks, and i hope this film makes big buck buck bucks. Should be a good un and i'll be there opening day, whenever that is in Aus, and hope not to sit next to younguns.
    PS J Dog, that TB has made me decide to rent out Iron Giant, so your rant was worth it even if it just got to me.

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  • Oct 20, 2001 7:28:13 AM CDT

    Shrek was a bore....

    by cookiepuss

    ....and its trendy jokes will feel dated in a year. Pixar's work is timeless - like the best of Disney.

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  • Oct 20, 2001 8:12:11 AM CDT

    Toys and Monsters

    by bruce leroy

    Like i said before. I

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  • Oct 20, 2001 9:57:48 AM CDT

    Monsters' trailer is hilarious...

    by bad guy

    "Twins in a bunk bed!" Pure genius. I've been looking forward to this film since I saw the trailer on the Toy Story DVD. The folks at Pixar are brilliant at what they do and this movie seems like it's going to prove that TS 1 & 2 and a Bug's Life were not flukes. On a side note, I also enjoyed Antz and Shrek, though to a lesser degree than the Pixar pictures. What's with all the Shrek bashing? Yes, it's a little disjointed in comparison, but damn, that flick had some laugh out loud moments. And yes, some of the references will become dated, but I'm looking at it from a "Here and Now" point of view. I know I'm not alone in my opinion, I saw this movie in a packed theatre and people were laughing hysterically through most of it. I guess we must've been an "easy" audience, huh? Why should every movie have to strive for more than just belly laughs? On another side note: Iron Giant. If you haven't yet seen this gem and you're a fan of animation, you have got to rent this film. You won't be disappointed. It's a shame it was ignored when it played in theatres, and I'm guilty of that too. Now, where's that special edition DVD, dammit!

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  • Oct 20, 2001 12:28:20 PM CDT

    I think I have to take the word of a man who considers both "Spy

    by jonquixote

    However, Shrek was really good; though it had a lot of groan moments, it had way more phenomenal ones. And Pixar is...wow. So I have faith that this movie will be the shit. *** And for the guys raving about Brad Bird's The Iron Giant, you're totally on the money. It is exactly what children's films should be, and I cannot wait to see what happens when Mr. Bird teams up with Pixar to take on superheroes with The Invincibles!!

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  • Oct 20, 2001 1:10:23 PM CDT

    Actually, Jon Quixote,

    by droosan

    Brad Bird's Pixar film will be titled "The Incredibles." I'm sure that doesn't affect your looking forward to it, though! ^_^ And to several posters above: yes, it is just possible that people genuinely have polar opposite opinions about "Shrek" (or any movie for that matter), and that both camps are ABSOLUTELY ENTITLED to HAVE, and to SHARE, those opinions with others. You're even free to speculate that the 'other side' may not be honest in their views and that "they're only saying 'X' because everyone else says 'Y'," but I think you'd be better off just realizing that not everyone thinks the same way you do ... and that there's NOTHING wrong with that.

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  • Oct 20, 2001 1:41:06 PM CDT

    Thank you, Droosan.

    by prankster

    I'm not coming on here screaming, "Anyone who liked Shrek is a drooling cretin!" Because I acknowledge that a lot of people liked Shrek. I didn't. I'm not saying that to be cool and backlash-y. I went in with high hopes and left very disappointed (see also From Hell). Like I said, Shrek has its moments, and I really like the message and the overall idea, but if you really look you can see how slapdash the plot is. It was like a continuous string of scenes with the writers asking, "OK, what can we do now? OK, what now?" Like they didn't have any idea where to go with it after they rescue Fiona. Actually I've since heard that the writing team, Rossio and Elliot (same guys who did Aladdin and Mask of Zorro) more or less denounced the film. Which may be why they were kicked off the sequel.

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  • Oct 20, 2001 2:00:26 PM CDT

    re: droosan

    by bad guy

    You're right of course. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, that's why we're here. And I surely didn't think I was going to change anyone's mind. But it does seem to really bug some people when a movie that they didn't like is commercially and/or critically successful. The more popular the film becomes the more they seem to hate it. Look at the Titanic backlash. And I'll bet that it was far more than 13 year old girls that made that movie a monster hit. For an even better example, just go to any of the Star Wars/Phantom Menace talkbacks. Those are regularly visited by the same jerks, er, fans who are there soley for the purpose of stating, once again, how much they hate SW, TPM, Lucas, Jar Jar, Ewoks, blah,blah,blah. For people who supposedly don't like those things they sure do spend alot of time thinking about them. That just seems like the case with Shrek, albeit, to a lesser extent. This story wasn't even about Shrek, but people imediately have to start with the "Monsters will kick Shrek's ass!" crap. Who gives a shit which film does bigger box office? I'm just interested in seeing good movies, no matter what genre they are or what studio is releasing them. As I am not a film producer nor an investor, how much money they make doesn't affect me one bit. Unlike some other visitors to this site, who thrive on tearing down popular movies and act like their very existence depends on it. Anyway, I guess that's just my opinion, and I'm entitled to it.

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  • Oct 20, 2001 2:13:44 PM CDT

    a few brief notes...

    by toonimator

    1) Pixar CAN'T branch out TOO much just yet, not until they've completed their contract with Disney. Hopefully they'll break away, or at least not have an exclusive deal, so they can try something a bit different. 2) Iron Giant is incredible. Thank God a special edition DVD's on track for next year. 3) Lasseter IS a genius, but in praising his genius, don't forget that Monsters, Inc. is NOT his film. He didn't write, he didn't direct; he's one of the exec producers, but amongst the other talents, you've got Lee Unkrich as co-director (also co-d on TS2) and one of the writers is Andrew Stanton (co-d on Bug's Life, as well as one of the writers for pretty much everything Pixar does). I'd move back to the Bay Area in a heartbeat if I could work with those folk. 4) Shrek, while a wildly entertaining film, and possibly the most enjoyable of the summer, wasn't the be-all, end-all. And stop comparing and saying "Pixar'll kick PDI's ass!" or vice versa... one of Disney's biggest problems is it's tried to monopolize the American animation industry, by squashing the competition (Anastasia's coming out? What? Well, let's re-release Little Mermaid!) as if there's only room for one Feature Animation company on the block. Animation isn't a genre. It's a medium. Compare Bugs Life & Antz, sure, because the contents are similar, but all Shrek & Monsters, Inc have in common are big, hulking lead characters, and comic sidekicks (one of which shares a complexion with the lead of the other film). There's room to love (or hate) more than one animation company!!!!!!

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  • Oct 20, 2001 9:06:04 PM CDT

    Droosan

    by jonquixote

    Maybe I'm getting some bad information, but the Hollywood Stock Exchange lists the Bird/Pixar collaboration as The Invincibles. But whatever. A Bird by any other name...

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  • Oct 20, 2001 9:07:47 PM CDT

    Pixar, shmixar...

    by pencilsharp

    I never thought that I would say this, but thank God for Steve Jobs. The dude not only popularized the personal computer (not forgettin' you, Woz...) but now he will help resurrect a struggling animation industry! Apple's loss... Oh, you think I'm overhyping here? Consider the state of animation in the 80s: $5 per ep He-Man and GIJoe, The Fox and the Hound (brrr...), TRON?!?! Then along comes a little old movie, 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit?' Result: 100s of million$ for Disney, WB, et al, both directly and indirectly. That, together with 'DuckTales' on TV (a TV toon with actual stories?! What a concept!), resurrected both TV and feature animation for 15 years. Right now, there's a bit of a shakedown in the animation industry, with WB, Viacom (Nickelodeon) and Disney all suffering layoffs (check Jerry Beck's CartoonResearch.com for details), but I honestly believe that this will be a golden Christmas for all us toon fans. So to Jobs, Lassiter, and all you other Pixaries, keep it up, and I'll be one of the first in line. (Outta th' way, ya putz... gimme 200 tickets, hey! i gots kids!) ~pS~ Oh, and toons with Mike Myers automagically blow dead bear!

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  • yeah, I gotta get out more.

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  • Oct 21, 2001 1:25:22 AM CDT

    hmm .. The Incredible Invincibles?

    by droosan

    Jon Quixote, my information on the title came from an 'inside Pixar' source, but that was over a year ago, so it's quite possible the title has been changed since then. If so, my bad ..! ^_^; And Bad Guy, no worries; I was just ranting a little there without trying to single anyone out ... like I said, opinions on movies are a pretty individual thing ... guess I should've just left it at that. I agree, though, that excessive griping (or praise) can be annoying, especially with movies like "The Phantom Menace," "A.I.," and the like. Venting is healthy, as is argument, but the point of doing that is to get it out of your system and move on ... that's the part a few seem to forget about. ^_^

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  • i loved Toy Story 2. but i'm not one of those people who, according to you, bashes Phantom Menace for it's overuse of CGI effects and then turn around and say that all these computer animated movies like Toy Story and Bug's Life kick complete ass cuz of their computer animation and that the computer animation aids the story. my feeling's for Pixar is that with all three of the feature-length productions, each one has been better than the last, ending so far in the absolutely awesome Toy Story 2, which had a great great script, better laughs than the original, a real adventurous plot, and YES, great computer animation. but the animation didn't MAKE the movie. the animation didn't make the story necessarily BETTER. it just made the overall movie better. in the case of last may's The Mummy Returns, had the CGI effects been better (esp. on the whole scorpion king thing), the movie would have been BETTER. that doesn't mean that better effects would have made for a better story, it just simply means that the overall picture would have been improved had the CGI "special" effects not been so embarrasingly bad. and as for all you Shrek-lovers that can't seem to fathom the idea of someone disliking that movie, well, for one, it's my opinion. and my reasons for disliking the movie (no, i didn't HATE it) are not stupid reasons like it didn't have enough explosions in it or that it was too sentimental. in fact, one of the few things that had an effect on me was the love story. not a huge effect, but it was there. my problems with the movie lie in a few things: first off, i don't generally like movies that use pop music in their soundtrack. or any music with lyrics, for that matter. now this may sound dumb to many of you, but it isn't. i don't mind it if a character is listening to the music on their stereo at home, or if it's playing on their alarm clock, or stuff like that. it just really bothers me when out of nowhere, this stupid pop music that the director or producer obviously enjoys starts pumping through the speakers. there ARE a few exceptions for me, but they are few and far between. i think movies should generally embrace their scores, because movie scores are so integral to the whole experience. or you can have a movie like Dog Day Afternoon or The Manchurian Candidate, which have very little use of music whatsoever. so anyways, in Shrek, they start the movie off with that horrible piece of shit song "All-Star" by Smash-Mouth, and the song is like three years old. it sucked three years ago, and it sucks even more now. i enjoyed having the voice actors' names in the credits (since that is rare in animated movies), but still, that fucking song got things off to a really rocky start. and then there were other horrible songs littered throughout the movie. and then you have the plot. it's not that the movie was boring, it's that the plot was all disjointed. it was unbalanced, making for an unbalanced movie. and the animation. yes, i have problems with the animation. once again, not cuz the animation hurt the story necessarily, but because the animation hurt the overall MOVIE. the backgrounds were gorgeous, very well-done. but the human characters were just plain bad. flat and just kinda... off. Pixar did better work with the human characters in Toy Story 2. and the dragon. didn't like that dragon. the animation as well as the design and the colours, it all just didn't work for me. and some talkbacker pointed out the dated jokes (sorry, forgot your name). whoever said it tho, they were right. how many movies have to rip off the fucking Matrix? it's getting really really old. in fact, it got old a while ago. and the villian character (voiced by Lithgow) was poorly designed/animated (if you ask me) and as a character, he was under-developed. he was there to be the BAD GUY of the picture, but he was very UNDERused. and last but not least, i still find the ending wierd. i mean, the message of the movie is sweet enuff: "don't judge a book by it's cover." or don't judge an ogre by his ugly green face. a nice message for kids that it's what's on the inside that counts. we've all heard it before, but it's still nice to hear again. so the beautiful Princess falls for the ugly (but nice on the inside) ogre named Shrek and all is well. but WAIT!!! she's an ogre too, due to some nasty curse! so they're both ugly and green! so what the fuck?!? of course they love each other now! they're both hideously ugly! i mean, what kind of plot twist was that anyway? anyone care to explain? oh well. so those are my reasons for disliking Shrek. as for Atlantis, very entertaining, really nice 2-D animation, good characters, fun for adults and kids alike, and most importantly a strong script that told a very good story.

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  • Oct 21, 2001 7:35:48 PM CDT

    Iron Giant

    by say10

    After telling all my friends foir 2 years to see this film simply because of the things I've read about it (here and other places), I myself finally saw it. Missed it in the theatre...and didn't wanna see it until it was on a big screen tv. I finally got my chance. This movie had me smiling as hard as when I saw the comic book explanation intro to "Unbreakable"...except that movie didn't have me bearing dripping eyes at the end. What a beautifully animated/designed, funny, thought out piece of art. It's a sheer TRAGEDY it bombed at the box office, and to this day is still relatively undsicovered by the masses. It blows away any animated film we've seen the past few years...let's hope WB doesn't fuck it all up for the DVD release, this movie needs an audience. PS - I'll take Pixar over Dreamworks for now, but Antz was underrated.

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  • Oct 21, 2001 11:41:11 PM CDT

    Iron Giant fans, take heart.

    by prankster

    IG was a success on video; it ended up making around $80 million all told. Not tons but enough to make it quite profitable. But don't worry, it's entered into the subconscious of this generation and will be considered a masterpiece in years to come. A year ago I was in a video store next to a woman who was looking for a video for her kids. I asked, "can I recommend something?" She said sure, and I pointed to the Iron Giant. She nodded. "Yeah, we saw that one." And we shared a little grin. We're small, but our numbers are growing!

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  • Oct 22, 2001 9:02:26 AM CDT

    A Bug's Life: best Pixar film to date

    by beaoure

    I'm very anxious to see Monsters Inc., and, by golly, every Pixar creation has been a smash. But, Quint, I'll have to disagree with you on your comparison of the Toy Story saga to Bug's Life... BL beats them both. Maybe it's because I had difficulty separating the star-studded celebrity voice-a-thon from the story of TS, but, to me, in BL, the characters were funnier, the writing was tighter, the animation had more visual appeal, and the story in general was more satisfying. Also (and this is kind of an afterthought), the BL "outtakes" were the funniest thing I've ever seen come out of a Disney studio. They tried to replicate that magic with TS2, but it came off looking plastic (yuk yuk) and rehearsed. Don't ge me wrong... love all of 'em. But, A Bug's Life takes the cake.

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  • Oct 22, 2001 3:11:47 PM CDT

    Monsters Inc.

    by snootchie

    Is gonna be great! I have to jump on board with the Pixar love fest here...in my opinion, Pixar keeps churning out better movies everytime. I can't wait to see Monsters, Inc...especially after reading that Sully's fur looks so real that you could almost feel how soft it is...looks like a big bearskin rug to me! :)

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  • Oct 22, 2001 3:29:29 PM CDT

    Re: Disney. Well...

    by jaka

    This is kinda off topic and so far into the Talk Back that chances are no one will read it or care...but I'm going to say it anyway. My best friend takes his wife and 2 kids to Disneyland every year in October. Their house is filled with Disney "stuff" from Happy Meal toys to animation cells and prints that will probably help put their kids through college (they are only 10 and 6 right now). He calls it "going to church". So on all things Disney, his opinion is important to me. They are driving back right now and we spoke last night (I have been watching their home), it sounds like they had a truly magical time. The way anything that says Disney on it should. Said the California Adventure is a welcome and awesome adition (but recommends people buy the park hopper pass FIRST! I guess a lot of people do not realise there is seperate admission...anyway). Said that the park was packed with happy families from around the globe. Said the Haunted Mansion done up Nightmare Before Christmas style was "FUCKING AWESOME" and to the giant Jack Skellington that appears laughing over you head in the elevator he gave a genuine "how did they do that?" Disney magic. Remember it? I do. I grew up in Anahiem and remember the days when it cost $12 to get in and if you got your hand stamped you could come back the next day for free. This is before they were concerned with having a $200 hit at the box office each year. Before there where Disney stores in all the malls (that failed). Before you could go to LITERALLY ANY store and find a Disney product (seriously, go to ANY store and try to not find something somewhere in that store that is affiliated with Disney in some way...almost impossible). So whats my point? The last few Disney films have been pretty weak (although I really enjoyed The Emperors New Groove for it's wonderful LACK of songs...was that not also Jon Goodman? Hmmmm...), their stores have faided quietly away, and their merchandise sales are down (believe it or not). Add to that the fact that the country, and the world, are just slightly fucked up right now and it just seems a perfect time for Disney to scratch their way back to the top. Our world has changed to the point now where we will never see another Disney (or almost any other major studio movie) released without tie-ins like green ketchup, fast food kids meals, every type of toy resembling the characters, clothing, and food products to no end. I have finally grown to ignore it (which has been very difficult for me...ever since Batman actually)as I have realised in many cases it is necessary for these studios to actually make money. But wouldn't it be nice if Disney could put out a few films that parents actually wanted to go see with their kids (Monster Inc. qualifies...but it's Pixar damng it!). Some pictures that would inspire and enlighten us and just make us feel that OLD Disney magic. I'm down, however unlikely. I would be there.

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  • Oct 22, 2001 3:32:14 PM CDT

    $200....hahahaahaaa! That would be Atlantis!

    by jaka

    I meant $200 Million. Duh!

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  • Oct 22, 2001 3:47:08 PM CDT

    Monsters, Inc.

    by auntiemeat

    I loved it. Yes, it does rock. Has some great monster stuff in there, especially the Harryhausen reference. Not sure how many kids will get that one... hell, I know of plenty of adults who won't either("...unicorns are KICKASS!"). But, the one thing I expected at the end of the film was not there. No outtakes. Nope. Not this time. I suppose Pixar took note of the poor feedback on the TS2 outtakes and decided to nix them altogether this time. But, I did stick around for the credits (I usually do anyway, but more reasons are good) for the Goodman/Crystal singing duet. Fantastic. I love these guys... such wonderful chemistry in the movie. Go see it, unless you're too jaded to like movies that are there for fun - i.e. people that say TS2 was only funny for people under 12. Ahem. Goodday, chilluns.

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  • Oct 22, 2001 4:11:27 PM CDT

    Iron Giant

    by twan_deeth_ree

    Since so many people have brought up the subject, I'll throw in my two cents worth. I have seen the Iron Giant about 5 or 6 times now, and it makes me cry every damn time. (Goddamit I'm such a pussy). No other movie has ever been able to do that to me after repeated viewings (with the exception of the "have a catch with dad" scene from Field of Dreams) Most underrated movie of the last ten years. Everything in it is simply perfect. The way they seamlessley blended the CG stuff with the traditional animation, the voices, all of it, incredible. Vin Diesel's best role to date, by the way. So, the moral of the story is, if you haven't seen it yet, do so. And any update on the release of the special edition DVD? Last I heard (about 6 months ago from this site) was that it was going to be out about now. Just wondering.

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  • Oct 23, 2001 2:23:57 AM CDT

    Reasons why shrek made mooohlaa and Iron giant didn't.

    by justice41

    No one likes Ant- anything movies unless they are just negative people. Iron Giant was a good cartoon but it was anti-gun, anti-military, Anti america in some ways. People don't want to go to kiddie movies and be Preached at. Shrek & Bug's Life as well as Toy Story all had a can do spirit behind them. People will always go see something positive instead of something percieved negative. Mummy Returns, bad flick, but had an uplifting back story. Pear Harbour, rewritten history with a phony attitude. A.I. was too pessimistic for some to want to sit and watch, As was Final Fantasy. Show me a PG movie that has an optimistic storyline and I'll show you boxoffice gold. Watch out for KPAX, I think it's story may fit my definition. But who the fuck knows I could just be seeing things I want to see.

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  • Oct 23, 2001 9:16:46 AM CDT

    The Iron MAN!

    by rabbit stew

    I was really against the idea of a bastardised American version of my favourite book from childhood, (which was set in Yorkshire). However, after reading Harry going totally ape-mental over it, I decided to give it a go...
    Right, so I have watched it about 12 times now and it gets me every single time. Hogarth has real character and it's the best thing Jennifer Aniston has ever done since her haircut.
    The flying bit- it's not in the book- but every single time I cheer and embarrassingly, I mean it too. Never mind the fact that it's a cartoon, it's one of the best movies of the past five years, period.
    I would still like to see a remake of the original, but that's just cos I think the space dragon was cool.
    Oh yeah, and to get to the subject matter, Monsters Inc looks pretty darn good as well.

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  • Oct 23, 2001 9:17:52 AM CDT

    The Iron MAN!

    by rabbit stew

    I was really against the idea of a bastardised American version of my favourite book from childhood, (which was set in Yorkshire). However, after reading Harry going totally ape-mental over it, I decided to give it a go...
    Right, so I have watched it about 12 times now and it gets me every single time. Hogarth has real character and it's the best thing Jennifer Aniston has ever done since her haircut.
    The flying bit- it's not in the book- but every single time I cheer and embarrassingly, I mean it too. Never mind the fact that it's a cartoon, it's one of the best movies of the past five years, period.
    I would still like to see a remake of the original, but that's just cos I think the space dragon was cool.
    Oh yeah, and to get to the subject matter, Monsters Inc looks pretty darn good as well.

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  • Oct 23, 2001 9:18:06 AM CDT

    The Iron MAN!

    by rabbit stew

    I was really against the idea of a bastardised American version of my favourite book from childhood, (which was set in Yorkshire). However, after reading Harry going totally ape-mental over it, I decided to give it a go...
    Right, so I have watched it about 12 times now and it gets me every single time. Hogarth has real character and it's the best thing Jennifer Aniston has ever done since her haircut.
    The flying bit- it's not in the book- but every single time I cheer and embarrassingly, I mean it too. Never mind the fact that it's a cartoon, it's one of the best movies of the past five years, period.
    I would still like to see a remake of the original, but that's just cos I think the space dragon was cool.
    Oh yeah, and to get to the subject matter, Monsters Inc looks pretty darn good as well.

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  • Oct 23, 2001 9:18:24 AM CDT

    The Iron MAN!

    by rabbit stew

    I was really against the idea of a bastardised American version of my favourite book from childhood, (which was set in Yorkshire). However, after reading Harry going totally ape-mental over it, I decided to give it a go...
    Right, so I have watched it about 12 times now and it gets me every single time. Hogarth has real character and it's the best thing Jennifer Aniston has ever done since her haircut.
    The flying bit- it's not in the book- but every single time I cheer and embarrassingly, I mean it too. Never mind the fact that it's a cartoon, it's one of the best movies of the past five years, period.
    I would still like to see a remake of the original, but that's just cos I think the space dragon was cool.
    Oh yeah, and to get to the subject matter, Monsters Inc looks pretty darn good as well.

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  • Oct 23, 2001 9:19:53 AM CDT

    The Iron MAN!

    by rabbit stew

    I was really against the idea of a bastardised American version of my favourite book from childhood, (which was set in Yorkshire). However, after reading Harry going totally ape-mental over it, I decided to give it a go...
    Right, so I have watched it about 12 times now and it gets me every single time. Hogarth has real character and it's the best thing Jennifer Aniston has ever done since her haircut.
    The flying bit- it's not in the book- but every single time I cheer and embarrassingly, I mean it too. Never mind the fact that it's a cartoon, it's one of the best movies of the past five years, period.
    I would still like to see a remake of the original, but that's just cos I think the space dragon was cool.
    Oh yeah, and to get to the subject matter, Monsters Inc looks pretty darn good as well.

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  • Oct 23, 2001 9:41:06 AM CDT

    The Iron MAN!

    by cody_jarrett

    I was really against the idea of a bastardised American version of my favourite book from childhood, (which was set in Yorkshire). However, after reading Harry going totally ape-mental over it, I decided to give it a go...
    Right, so I have watched it about 12 times now and it gets me every single time. Hogarth has real character and it's the best thing Jennifer Aniston has ever done since her haircut.
    The flying bit- it's not in the book- but every single time I cheer and embarrassingly, I mean it too. Never mind the fact that it's a cartoon, it's one of the best movies of the past five years, period.
    I would still like to see a remake of the original, but that's just cos I think the space dragon was cool.
    Oh yeah, and to get to the subject matter, Monsters Inc looks pretty darn good as well.

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  • Oct 23, 2001 9:42:43 AM CDT

    The Iron MAN!

    by cody_jarrett

    I was really against the idea of a bastardised American version of my favourite book from childhood, (which was set in Yorkshire). However, after reading Harry going totally ape-mental over it, I decided to give it a go...
    Right, so I have watched it about 12 times now and it gets me every single time. Hogarth has real character and it's the best thing Jennifer Aniston has ever done since her haircut.
    The flying bit- it's not in the book- but every single time I cheer and embarrassingly, I mean it too. Never mind the fact that it's a cartoon, it's one of the best movies of the past five years, period.
    I would still like to see a remake of the original, but that's just cos I think the space dragon was cool.
    Oh yeah, and to get to the subject matter, Monsters Inc looks pretty darn good as well.

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  • Oct 23, 2001 6:18:51 PM CDT

    Formulaic soundtracks

    by nogoodnamesleft

    Randy Newman sucks.

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  • Oct 23, 2001 7:49:22 PM CDT

    One of the best things in Iron Giant is...

    by merkin muffley

    Christopher McDonald as Kent Mansley! That guy needs to work much, much more. Iron Giant is a magnificent film. Glad to see so many people love it.

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