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Corban Reviews The Second Edit Of STAR WARS EPISODE 2: ATTACK OF THE CLONES
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Hey Folks, Harry here with something that is going to cause a rain of hell. A review of STAR WARS EPISODE 2.... very spoiler filled. Now I wouldn't run this if I didn't think this guy was kosher. Corban is the fella that sent in some info earlier in the month. That news checked out, not only that, but in response to that news and the bit about the opening scene and the GANGS OF NEW YORK end shot, the President of ILM issued a memo to all employees of ILM asking that they keep their mouths quiet... I heard that from a few ILMers, which seems to indicate that Corban and the other spy touched a nerve. Now sure, the other spy's info could have been valid and Corban's was brushed off... BUT his other info checked out. So until other sources invalidate the following info, I'm accepting the review. NOW... having said that, we already know that Lucas knows that the film has alot of work left to do, thus the reason he's calling for quite a bit of shooting here very soon. SO literally it is possible that any complaints that Corban has below, could be completely invalid by the time the film comes out.
Obviously the score, sound and effects are all temp... and on a movie like this one, that's quite a bit. Now if this review turns out to be 100% dead on, there are a stunning amount of spoilers and I've eliminated only one from the story as I didn't want to know it myself and I'll be damned if I let it out, flame all you want, but I won't mind... It's the sort of spoiler that people could put in a simple sentence and ruin a major twist... NO WAY I'M DOING THAT! Oh and to read this report, you're gonna have to highlight the whole damn thing, and it is long!
Hey Harry,
Okay, right off the bat –
Is this movie better than The Empire Strikes Back?
No.
Is it better than A New Hope?
Nah, but it is better than The Phantom Menace!
(This depends on which type of Star Wars fan you are though. I like ESP the most, than ROTJ, A NEW HOPE and lastly TPM)
Am I crazy for saying that a film brought to us by a man who many think had lost his touch with filmmaking (and as some say, reality) after making the greatest Sci-fi Trilogy has actually produced a fun filled, action packed new chapter in the Skywalker saga? Well, some of you will think I am but hear me out. This is the Star Wars you’ve been waiting for. This is what TPM should have been. Now, that’s not saying this movie is perfect. It still has a problem that Episode One had (I’ll get to that later) and I have some problems with a couple of the characters, but this by far a really nice chapter in the Star Wars Saga. It feels like one of those really old science fiction movies with funny monsters and fun action but with a really, really big budget.
Before I get into the full, spoiler filled review, I’m going to go over the characters in the movie and talk about what I liked about them and how they have changed since TPM.
First up is….
OBI-WAN KENOBI - So, what’s up with this Jedi Knight? Well, he has an apprentice now so his character is a little less brash and now takes most of his time having to teach his Padawan lessons. He’s got a much bigger part now than in TPM and that’s where I have a little bit of a problem. I like the fact that he’s on screen half the time. In fact, I wish he had more screen time but I just wish it wasn’t spent having to do so much investigating. I wish it were with Anakin. I wanted to know what it was like when an apprentice and his master let loose or trained. But, I guess that’s for us to imagine. We do get to meet a couple of his friends and get a little bit into his past. His character, in the end, has changed very much from TPM but he doesn’t really evolve in this film. I guess that’s fine. This story spans only a few days and there’s no reason for his character to change too much.
ANAKIN SKYWALKER – Hayden will be a star after this movie. Or should I say I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he did become one. This kid can act, and that’s what Lucas really needed. This story (and EPISODE III) is carried on his shoulders. If Lucas hadn’t gotten someone who could handle this role, this film would have fallen apart. It really would have. This story is all about Anakin so they really needed someone who had a lot of range. His character is the only one in this film that does change from beginning to end and that’s fine. He has a great attitude in the start of the film (wait till you hear some of the bickering that goes on between Obi-Wan and him. You’ll laugh and you’ll know that Lucas most certainly did not write that dialogue), but he does change after seeing certain things and starts acting a little more wisely. I love this character and I know many fans are going to love him. He’s also in an amazing battle at the end where he does some major ass kicking and your going to be blown away. It’s some awesome stuff and I’m glad Lucas has chosen Hayden. He seems perfect for this part.
PADME – There isn’t a lot to say here. Her character hasn’t changed. She’s now a senator but that really doesn’t make much of a difference. The acting is the same from Natalie. She has a few tender scenes but they seem so manufactured. She can’t even LOOK like she’s crying. We should have added tears. That might have helped. I’m not trying to say Portman is a bad actress but she hasn’t really impressed me in these Star Wars flicks. There are nice scenes with her and Anakin but the dialogue is pretty bad in these scenes. It works better though than most people have thought. Not bad, especially since there’s more filming going on. We do get to see Padme kick some ass too, but fans won’t be paying attention to her fighting skills as much as staring at her half exposed body. Her clothes get torn up everywhere.
JANGO FETT – I wish we could have learned more about Boba’s daddy but you can’t get everything. Not much of a big deal though because we get to see this guy in action and it’s just awesome. Not only does he take on a Jedi but he’s the face of all of those clonetroopers. This guy only has a few lines but by the time he steps into the Slave 1, you won’t care. You’ll probably cheer for him more than you will for Obi-Wan.
BOBA FETT – A little boy clone. I know Lucas has said a million times that when you watch all of the movies in order, it’s all going to be great. Well, now that we know who Boba is and everything, his death in ROTJ is pretty pathetic. We also learn why he hates the Jedi so much.
PALPATINE – He is great in this flick and we finally get to see Palpatine himself doing some dirty work. And unlike TPM, the politics in this movie are fun to hear about. Plus, this guy is up to more than we know in the meddling of Skywalker’s life.
Okay, the rest of the characters are the same. Threepio has his coverings and all. Plus he gets to fire a weapon. R2 is the same as always. Yoda and Mace have more cryptic lines in this movie and of course there is one other character in this movie that I love and I am so mad we don’t get more of him . . .
COUNT DOOKU - A ton of fun to watch. I mean Lee has gone beyond what I expected. This guy is evil and scary. No wonder Anakin fears him. I would be more scared of fighting this guy than going against Maul. He taunts Anakin and Obi-Wan and he has his own tricks up his sleeve. This guy is crazy and the fans are going to love him. He also has a connection that makes sense with one of the characters. Lucas has done a good job here.
I can tell Lucas couldn’t wait to do this movie. It is a lot of fun. He needed to make TPM to introduce us to these new characters. Now he gets to go all out and enjoy himself. He now uses these characters to elevate the story to what we know is coming soon – Anakin’s downfall.
The plot (with some details of course):
Someone is out to start a war and the Jedi know this. Padme has almost been killed twice but narrowly escaped thanks to chance the first time and the Jedi the second. Palpatine has ordered Obi-Wan to investigate what’s going on and Anakin has to take Padme home safely. After the second attempt on Padme, Obi-Wan has found a clue to help him. A dart that is made only on one planet. His friend Dexter (you’ll love this guy) helps him out with this info. During all of this, Anakin tells Padme of his dreams that he has been having about about his mother. He wants to go home.
When Obi-Wan reaches Kamino, he discovers that someone has given the okay to create clones for an army. The senate had voted earlier and decided against it. So of course he knows something is amiss. He finds out from these weird looking aliens (think long necks and small heads) that a Jedi Master had told them that he was coming and that they had been expecting him for a while. Obi-Wan plays along to find out what’s going on.
We eventually find out that clones are being made from the blood of a man named Jango Fett. He was given a clone son as a gift. That sons name is Boba Fett.
After brief introductions, he discovers that Jango was the one who killed a bounty hunter that tried to assassinate Padme. After a scuffle with Jango (Obi-Wan loses), Kenobi tracks his ship to a rock-infested planet. Where’s Anakin you say?
Anakin and Padme had left to Naboo. He was to watch her. Well, Anakin meets her family and talks to Padme about his mother and the dreams he’s been having. They decide to take a risk. They’re going to go to Tatooine. Once there, we find the Lars family and Anakin discovers that his mother is now married. She has gone missing though. Anakin decides to look for her and leaves Padme at the Lars homestead with a finished Threepio.
After searching for a long time, he senses something. He does find his mother but she is dying. He is holding her dead body in a Tusken Raider hut and is, of course, very pissed. We get to see a bit of the dark side in him. We don’t really see what he does but we get the idea that he’s about to kill some little Tusken kiddies and their mother. Dark stuff here! The only thing is, he senses that she might have been killed another way. More on that later.
When he returns, he tells no one about what happened and a distress call is sent out by Obi-Wan. He needs there help on the planet Geonosis (This is the planet where the battle droids are being built and is also the location of Jango’s ship. Of course they go. And of course, a big battle ensues.
Now, I need to stop. I want to talk about what aspects of the movie are awesome and what needs work (or just stinks). Here, I will go into detail about certain scenes that I haven’t talked about yet.
WHAT I LIKED :
The Opening. It was fast paced and edited very well. The first scene starts off with a bang as Padme’s ship is blown apart and we find out she was not on the ship. It moves quickly and we find out she suspects that it was the doing of Count Dooku. Of course, Palpatine thinks she is wrong and we move on. It continues with Anakin and Obi-Wan being sent to protect her. Well, this is where it begins. You get to see some really nice acting from Hayden and it really pulls you in. He’s cocky and mentions to his master more than once that he is more powerful than him. Well, after about 15 minutes into the film, we get to see what will probably be remembered as one of the coolest scenes in any Star Wars films. Anakin and Obi-Wan chase a bounty hunter named Zam. She tried to kill Padme but of course failed and now has two Jedi chasing her. This is such a wonderful scene. It’s pure fun! We get to hear banter between Anakin and Obi-Wan.
"Maybe I should be teaching you a few things."
We get to see many parts of the planet Coruscant. We get a cool club scene. What more could you want?? They confront Zam outside a club and before they can get info out of her, she is killed by a Kyber (?) dart. This leads us into Obi-Wan‘s main role for the film. . confront Zam outside a club and before they can get info out of her, she is killed by a Kyber (?) dart. This leads us into Obi-Wans main role for the film. Anyway this scene set ups the type of relationship Anakin and Obi-Wan have and also starts one of the sub-plots of the film.
Anakin’s role in the film. I don’t think I can say enough about this guy. He’s really that good! Lucas did a nice job here. Well thought out characterization. Can’t wait to see what he does with him in Episode 3.
The End Battle. Yoda is the best at what he does. This is the biggest scene in any Star Wars movie PERIOD. Have you ever seen 20+ Jedi kicking ass at the same time? No, and you won’t believe it. They don’t even have the same styles. Mace is slow but has deadly attacks. Yoda’s damn fast. One Jedi even holds two lightsabers! This scene starts out with the Jedi flying in with a few, uh, new friends to save Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Padme. They are inside an arena with many types of creatures and droids. This event is all thanks to Count Dooku on the planet Geonosis. Here we see a great battle between Anakin, Obi-Wan and Dooku. It’s sort of like the end battle of TPM except for the fact that the apprentice is the one kicking ass. Even after Obi-Wan gets knocked out, Anakin uses both his and Obi-Wan’s lightsaber! Of course, they both need the master to take out this guy. Yoda comes in to save the day. Now, I know some people are going to think this sounds really funny, but Yoda jumps on his back after wearing Dooku out. It looks fine. You’ll see. Dooku slams his back to the wall injuring poor Yoda and brings down some metal from the wall as a distraction so he can escape. This entire sequence (Jedi battle, monster attacks, Dooku confrontation) lasts quite a while. It is indeed the best part of the movie.
WHAT I DIDN’T LIKE :
Anakin and Padmes relationship. Ok, you know what? Their scenes together are not that bad, and as it is, he really doesn’t need to add more to fix it. The main problem with it is it’s just not very engaging. And you know what? Who cares! We know they love each other. We know they get married, have kids. What more do we need? Lucas felt that we needed at least a few scenes where they were alone and expressing themselves and then we could move on to the real story. Anakin’s fall. Maybe in Episode 3, they will have some nicer scenes but you win them all. I guess Lucas knew that and didn’t really try.
Not enough background info. You know what, I’m not really going to get into this. I think this has been a huge problem most fans have been having anyway. Come on Lucas, can’t you give us a little bit more on these characters and their motivations?
No Space Battles!! This is just me complaining so don’t worry. The space battles have always been one of my favorite things about these movies and this one has none. No big deal. Just my opinion. At least we see some asteroids . . .
So, there you have it….
Not really a bad movie in my opinion. It’s fun and it has its moments. That’s where my main problem is. Like TPM, it has some cool moments. I wish the entire movie was great but there are tiny little problems that should have been dealt with. I want the whole movie to be amazing, not a cool set piece every once in a while. But what can I say, I liked it more than TPM and I could see many enjoying it more than ROTJ. Good job Lucas, you are getting closer and closer to making the best Star Wars film yet. If Episode 3 is thought out just a little bit more than this film was, we’re in for a nice treat!
- Corban
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The force is strong in that one....
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I only hope it is as good as he reckons and not the pile of excrement which was Phantom menace!
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Episode 2 is going to rock... hard. Like Tenacious D hard. I'm sick of all the damn SW naysayers these days. Just shut your yaps and embrace this. Push out all that negativity and remember what it's like to have fun. Just Be swept away by epic storytelling. And don't try to play the LOTR card, because everyone already knows it's gonna rock. Comparing the two is for deep geeks who have nothing better to pass the time with. Ep2 will turn that frown upsidown. Let the flames begin, but you won't have the last laugh.
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Oct 18, 2001 5:14:16 AM CDT
"Return (send in the muppets) of the Jedi" is better than "A New
by caligari
Just my humble opinion, of course, but while Empire is the best of the lot, I will always love "A New Hope." That movie has more heart, soul and pure joy than TPM ever hope to have. As for ROTJ? The Emperor/Vader/Luke story-line was way cool, but all the muppet aliens and ewoks just sabotaged the movie for me. Here's hoping Attack Of The Clones will be lots of fun!
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BORING!!!!!
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No one should expect an intricate, wordy relationship piece in a space opera. The meat of the film should be the rise of the clones and the turning of Anakin.
It all sounds quite entertaining and as long as the themes are as mature and well executed as ESB (or at least A New Hope)you can't bitch about character development. The format of film doesn't allow for such a large scale story to be that detailed. I have faith in Lucas, you all should too.
Just pray he at least makes this geared for the mind of a 16 year old and not a child and you'll feel fine walking out of this.
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I am doing this in the talk back because Harry is yet to post the warning I have sent him, but go to www,millertothemax.com ,there is the general impression out that the Mad Max 4 casting call being held in Sydney this weekend could be bogus, and be using the Mad Max name just to get a crowd after the success of the Matrix casting calls.
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I so wanted to be a 'virgin' going into see this movie, but I couldn't help but read this. I'm glad I did though, I can't wait now.
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Oct 18, 2001 5:28:50 AM CDT
I really am looking forward to this film... however...IT IS ONLY
by johnnyflorida
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Just like Dirty Harry Callahan once said, "Opinions are just like assholes. Everybody has one." (That includes myself!)
That said, it's far too early for any of us to say anything.
The FX are not complete and the Williams score is nowhere to be heard.
Shit, we don't even have a trailer!
So, until we get two more major ingredients, we can only hope it will be great. From what I heard so far from other sources, there is no reason to assume otherwise.
One last thing, Fett died just fine. He was never intended to have a character arc. Just like Darth Maul, both were an equivilant to a Bond villain's henchman. Being bad was there only objective and to provide suspense and drama for our heroes's fate-that's it!
How was Fett suppose to have expired?
Stupid fucking geeks!
I laugh everytime he takes the header in the Sarlacc. That's what he gets for messing with my boy Solo. -
Why doesn't he mention Jar Jar Binks? Isn't he in the movie? Not that I liked Jar Jar in TPM... but I think it would be kinda weird if he just wouldn't show up in AOTC.
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Just when I thought this site was going downhill and was going exclusively to CA, this happens. Hmm, consider me impressed.
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Am I the only Star Wars fan that knows that Boba Fett didn't die in the Sarlacc?
Read the official book:
"Tales from Jabba's Palace"
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My wife and I picked up "The Phantom Menace" on DVD yesterday. I think you would have to be pretty jaded not to appreciate how much fun it all is.
The documentary which follows George through the whole process was really wonderful and I became really excited.
I skimmed through this article, trying to avoid the spoiler, because honestly, when I see these movies, I'm twelve again. I didn't see the flaws of "Return of the Jedi" when I was a kid, and though I bristled at Jar Jar in "TPM", I was really happy to be watching the movie and have sat through it many times.
After really seeing what goes into these movies on the "TPM" dvd, I remember how we take for granted what goes into these movies.
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This sounds like this could be the film to put the ghost of TPM to rest, even though that DVD of it makes it seem 300% better. Cant wait until the 3 trailers come out in November (See force.net) and cant wait until Yoda turns into f@#*ing BRUCE LEE. The faith is with you George, it was shown on your face in that screening room when you seen the last cut of TPM that it wasnt right, you are doing all you can to make it right now and I think you will pull it off. So we have the Best SFX ever in a film, along with what sounds like the best ACTION scenes ever in a Star Wars film. SO AT LEAST WE GOT WHAT FILM WORTH WATCHING NEXT YEAR, thank god for that.
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But did this post reveal nothing we didn't already know?
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I just received it today. I think that the "making of" stuff is more interesting than the movie itself.
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No offense to the poster who said this is the first cool news in whatever, but man, just check out www.theforce.net or www.jedinet.com or ANY Star Wars site out there that has had the plot synopsis of this thing for what, A YEAR?
The news here is all the malcontent bitches who like to pump nihlism into their veins are going to have to deal with the fact that George Lucas still is God. And all the Hobbits and Wizards are going to be running for cover. Fetts are coming, so are hundreds of Jedi, and they're taking dead-aim on all of your fat asses. And, I know this will come as a shock to some, but Peter Jackson (all hail the "Frighteners" -- and you people mocked Jar-Jar?) and his effects are seriously sucking some wind. Yeah, that's right, bitches, LOTR uses EFFECTS. TONS OF IT. Remember all that bitching you did for TPM, well I hope you can gear it up in another month when Bashki makes his second cartoon, 'cuz that's how it looks.
And then, you're gonna have to deal with:
- Obi-Wan and Anakin vs a droid/Zam Wessel
- Obi-Wan vs. Jango Fett
- Anakin vs. Tuskens
- Obi-Wan's asteroid chase with Jango
-Obi-Wan vs the shizzat on Geonosis, captured
-Anakin and Padme fight for their lives
-Windu vs Jango Fett
-Jedi vs an arena full of hell
-Anakin and Obi-Wan vs Count Christopher Lee Dooku
-Yoda vs Dooku
That's right, I'm talking to you. The fat guy with the punk rock t-shirt. You know, the band you've never seen live? That guy. -
Harry,
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Harry, the strangest thing happened when I got to the space where the review should be. There was nothing there. Could someone else post a message here after me to tell me I'm wrong as I'm not sure whether I'm going bonkers or not but it seems a bit of a co-incidence
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Oct 18, 2001 8:38:19 AM CDT
Do you want to know what Harry did not want to tell you?
by andy kaufmoon
Anakins mother was not killed by the Tusken raiders as he first thought.
She was actually killed by a bounty hunter hired by Palpatine.
The bounty hunter appeared in Episode 1 briefly,it was..............AURRA SING.
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But it seems to me I Emailed you almost a year ago about the SECRET that you removed from the insider info above. It seems Star Wars fans can't see the forest for the trees so to speak. But I'm sure if they can get past the immaculate conception of TPM the circle will be complete.
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Anyone who has been to theforce.net would know this. And that website operationsombrero or whatever is quite pathetic, I dont see why they bother advertising here all the time. If you were really as rebellious as you claim to be, then you wouldnt have pulled that DVD weblink content, just because LFL asked you. Talk about giving in like a bunch of pussies.
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all you have to do is highlight it. read what Harry says and you'll be fine.
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And while reading all this has been fun, I must go back to searching for free porn. Must find a nipple shot.
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I agree with you on the OS site.
Those guys post on EVERY Star Wars message board at all hours of the day. Why mention that? Because it shows they're just a bunch of Star Wars geeks who are doing their best to be ExTReME Star Wars fans. I bet they like to swear and, gasp, even smoke cigarettes!
And mainly, like you said, if they were such hard-asses, they wouldn't have crumbled as soon as Lucas and crew got in contact with them.
Oh, but they blend sarcasm SO FINE. Where's the roll eyes?
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Was the guy who reviewed this as "kosher" as the guy who reviewed the Batman: Year One script which had a black Alfred telling Batman that the bat-suit was "Slammin'"? Or was it "kosher" like the guy who just happened to overhear John Travolta talking on his cell phone about playing Superman right after the news about a World's Finest flick broke? Either way, I can tell you that I'm not getting my hopes up for Attack of the Clones. **** "I'm so sick of all these Star Wars." --TLG
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Oct 18, 2001 9:49:33 AM CDT
I'll tolerate pretty much anything in this one apart from th
by jon l. ander
I only read a small portion of the review so as to go in 'cold', so for all i know there might be tons of references in ep 2. Here's hoping, anyway.
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Oct 18, 2001 10:03:49 AM CDT
Yoda reveals hes gay and hes moving to a condo in Key West with
by jspot
Finally the truth! TPM dvd rules by the way, totally kick ass, best documentary ive ever seen.
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Oct 18, 2001 10:16:31 AM CDT
There is nothing here that has not been on the net already
by peanut-m&m's
Seems like this guy just cut and pasted a bunch of rumours from theforce.net and places like that and called it a review. Plus george lucas has stated that Jar Jar will be in this movie and yet this guy did not mention him once, granted Jar Jar not being in the film would be fine by me but lets be realistic it just isn't going to happen.
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It's called STAR Wars Georgie, not LAND Wars for yoda's sake!
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Look, it was good of you to put the pictures up on your site apart from the fake Count Dooku one but if LFL were to ask you to take them down - the best way you could have got them back for having a go at you, wouldve been to post them on many sites on the web and put them in file sharers such as morpheus this way, there is no stopping them (anomynously, of course). LFL wouldnt be able to stomp all over every site if there was a lot of people with the pictures circulating. And anyway, I think Lucasfilm were wrong in making them only available on the DVD Link because they dont exactly set the world alight, I have seen better Select pictures than these. I dont see what Lucasfilm are trying to stop anyway, we have had the SCRIPT and before the film comes out in MAY we will probably know the look of everything to do with it. Its impossible to stop it, its the way of the internet (love it or hate it). I feel sorry for the people without DVD's and DVD Roms who have no chance of seeing these pictures now, because they cant access them. How much money do you think that these fans have given to you Mr Lucas and you rip them off like this. Lets hope this kind of Censorship goes away and the only way it will is by fighting it. If anyone got these pictures pass them around, I just wish I saved them as I wouldve put them on every file sharer out there for the NON DVD fans to enjoy.
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Come on Guns, I thought you guys were the rebels of Star Wars! Aren't you (in your mind) some hundred levels above TFN? You know TFN, right? The site you guys get all your info from? Yeah, that one.
But your kind words certainly have me wanting to spread the gospel about your cheesey little site.
You know what would be really funny? Oh man, I'd laugh forever if you guys could make another gag picture! How about one of Mark Hamill from Corvette Summer with a heading that he's the new Sith from Ep2? Dude, that would ROCK and show those TFNers how cool and street ya are. Because we all know street-talking love go hand in hand with a running a Star Wars fansite, no matter how you try to dress up at as...some failed Gen X blather pool.
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Hey sorry for blasting you, it just pisses me off that some people dont get a chance to see these pictures from the DVD Link and from what I said above I congratulate you on bringing it to these people. Dont get me wrong we need sites like yours to bring us the news which we couldnt find elsewhere its just that Lucasfilm Ltd are like the Empire which they created trying to stop the people from getting the truth sometimes. Youre a new site and all the movie sites should stick together against such dictatorship even AICN. Sorry if I called your site pathetic, it was more of a stand for the situation whch Lucasfilm has put on you. Its the small guys against the BIG guys once more and now where have I seen that in a movie... any ideas GEORGE? ***FIGHT THE CENSORSHIP or you will never be free in a country especially which preaches freedom of speech. So No Hard Feelings GUNS and keep the hard work going into your site, and fight them.
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Star Wars is so 1970's... Even with kewl 3D Studio Max Models and rendered scenes LOTR is gonna kick it's ass on story alone.
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OK. So. I just purchased my TPM dvd last night. Got some Chinese food and a 6 pack of Lagunitas IPA. Smoked up a bowl(or 3) of the kind and watched everything on the extras disc. Very nice. I could have watched even more. Seeing how much went into the movie made me appreciate it a little more. Then, after another (or 3) bowls of the sticky green I went for the main course. I have not watched TPM since it was in the theater, where I saw it 3 times over about 4 months. I must say that it looks utterly freakin' stunning on dvd. One crisp, clear, beautiful shot after another. Better than the theater! I can see why Lucas wants digital projectors in theaters so badly. As far as the story goes, it's still a little weak. Jar Jar has never annoyed me as much as most people, and even less so at home. One of the complaints about this film has always been that it is a kids movie. Well, when you watch at home and can go back and look at stuff over and over, I just don't agree. Qui-gon and Obi-wan's pilots (humans mind you) are killed violently in the first 10 minutes and there is death through-out. I noticed for the first time that during the final battle there are dead Gungans...Gun-guns(sp?)...dead Jar-Jars all over the battle field. Granted, the battle droids are more prominant. But dead Jar-Jars there are...mmmm. I came to the conclusion last night that one, I love this film. And two, I will now and forever place it above Jedi. So I say ESB, ANH, TPM, ROTJ. -------------- Now as far as AOTC; if it's better than TPM in any way I will love it also. I don't mind hearing about it (I'd like to know more in fact) because it is going to be sooo visual that the first time I see it the story may be secondary anyway. I didn't catch half of TPM until the second viewing also. I also think it's AWESOME that there is no space battle. I know that Lucas know how to make a space ship blow up at this point. The only thing I can say is I want to hear that there is some sexual tension between Anakin and Amadala...or Padmay...err whatever. And MORE..or rather maybe more intense violence. Go for a PG-13 on the next 2. The first four are basically pairs anyway. ANH and ESB and then ROTJ and TPM go together nicely. Lastly, really, I find that I am really excited for AOTC after watching TPM again. Looking forward to May emensly.
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Okay, I skimmed over this review so as to avoid over-spoiling the film(I'm such a sissy), but I get the gist. Sounds like the main flaw is the quality of the love story. GEORGE, FIX THAT!! GET SOMEONE WHO KNOWS FEMAlE CHARACTERS TO WRITE PADME'S DIALOGE IF YOU HAVE TO, BUT FIX IT! If Lucas says the movie is mainly a love story, then I have to believe that that's at the heart of the movie. I haven't seen the film, but I'm willing to bet the love story is to be the pathos of the story(or it should be). And if it's not the best it can be, then the gravitas is screwed! We NEED to care about that romance if Anakin's fall is to have it's best emotional impact. We have to want Anakin not to fall because we really want him to have the happy ending with his lover. Sure, we know he falls, but we have to find ourselves wanting him to live. I know Romeo and Juliet will die, but when I see a good production of it I always want something miraculous to stop it at the last minute. Tragedy is measured by how close it comes to having a happy resolution. The love story is important I tell you, and I think Lucas knows it. If Padme and her scenes with Anakin are wanting, they've got to use those reshoots to make it work! All the spy reveiwers are saying that the actors are good, but the scenes just aren't "engaging." Imagine Gladiator without feeling the loss of Maximus's family(music helps though, make us all proud Johnny). So far these net reviews are encouraging because they think these flaws can be mended. In the meantime it sounds like Chris Lee has given us a great villain(again), Hayden is fantastic, the action is strong, and the relationship between Obi Wan and Anakin works. The romance is the only on-going flaw mentioned in all the net reviews, and every time the reviewers blame it on dialogue not acting. FIX the dialogue and nail those scenes! They should be as important as the Ankain/Obi Wan scenes! Don't say, "oh well we know they fall in love so we don't have to earn it." If that's the attitude then why make the prequels at all? We know Anakin falls, why show it? Oy vey, I thought I didn't feel passionate about Star Wars anymore. Guess I was wrong, and I ain't sorry!
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Oct 18, 2001 12:18:51 PM CDT
hey I'm pretty fat nad I'm wearing a punk rock T-shirt b
by saved-by-jebus
Anyways, both flicks should rock my fragile world.
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On the TMP DVD, in the Starfighter documentary, Lucasarts hint at making a sequel to Starfighter based on Ep II. How would they do that without there being any space battles in the film? Also, the Jedi have ships called Jedi Fighters, as revealed on theforce.net. Even the Lucasarts official site has a picture of a wing of a Jedi Fighter, hinting at an EP II game based on space combat.
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After visiting your site Guns Blazing after sticking up for it. I came across these words and I wonder why you are here - *******Rumors Operation Sombrero has no inside sources. We hang around Star Wars message boards and are therefore privy to the occasional stolen storyboard or leaked script page. But we're not AICN, which means we either rip off other sites or post complete bullshit. ****** I therefore take back what I said and say that you are no better at getting news than any of us. You do the same as what you claim AICN do, and then slag them off. You probably tipped off Lucasfilm yourself to get publicity. A fake picture of Count Dooku anyone, For starwars news go to force.net you wont get crap like posted on so called movie news sites like OPSO. Anyone could do what you do, and then you have the cheek to call yourself good. Dont make me laugh.
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Oct 18, 2001 1:10:07 PM CDT
The green eyed monsters that doth mock the meat it feeds on...
by suetonius
There is sadly only one possibility: Episode II will is certain to be a mediocre film, that will no
doubt feature a few bright shining moment that relentlessly kick ass. Because regardless of
whatever problems the rough cut of Episode II may have - they will not be remedied by a few days of
fairly standard reshoots.
As TPM showed, the failings of our uberLucas lie chiefly within his plotting and characterization.
Like a snake biting his own tale, Lucas began with the fairly simple structure of the original
saga - a key part of the trilogy's success, accessible to youths and adults alike - and with TPM,
precluded the saga with a needlessly boring, mundane tale. With virtually no lead protagonist, an
overabundance of dull characters and even duller settings - Episode I is mere padding for a story
that mustn't have had enough meat on its bones to fill six hours.
Watch and wait. Years from now, we'll all look back upon TPM as a needless chapter in the saga.
On the other hand, if you were to take away "A New Hope", then The Empire Strikes Back would
be an odd confusing mess. From this spy report, it sounds like Episode II will stand on its own as
a much more apt opening for this prequel series.
Yet even still the cancerous core of the saga remains, for in The Phantom Menace, we met Lucas'
Anakin puppet, rife with a hidden agenda, an implied "virginal" birth and an overall goody-goody
nature. Oh yes, Lucas went to great pains to make that lil Anakin a likeable lad, a talented,
prophesied boy.
In Episode II the boy will be a man, who, like Othello himself, will be tricked and deceived into
betraying his fellow Jedi. We'll feel his pain, weep at his misfortune and direct our venomous
hatred at the villainous Palpatine.
And what a lesson our children will learn. Like the Menendez boys and Orenthal James, we're
all guilt free. Someone else is always to blame for our sins. Poor Anakin will be a victim. Misled.
Misused. A pitiful sap, just an unwitting pawn in the hands of the Sith.
Well it sounds like Hayden has played the part well. But how much more interesting it would
be to see Anakin falling prey not to the lies of Palpatine - but to the potential that is within us all
to willingly and knowingly choose to walk that dark path for our own selfish greedy goals.
You see, I believe the original saga stands as a testament to the limitless ability of man. The
outnumbered and outgunned champions of good struggling and succeeding against impossible odds to topple
the mighty techno giant of evil.
Before May of 1999, I'd hoped that this prequel saga would recognize that the battle of good and
evil is not only fought in the stars of a galaxy far, far away. It is fought within ourselves every
minute of every day -in every decision we make. And in Anakin Skywalker, we would watch him
fail on his own accord and see the devastating results of his decisions.
Now what a modern parable that would have made. But next year, we'll instead watch Lucas go
through the motions and hope that this particular song and dance might be a bit deeper and possibly
more entertaining than the last.
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That mess on the floor is my vomit after listening to your dashingly boring and trite attempt to say the same old shit about TPM and your banal thoughts on AOTC.
Oh...there's a shred of hope you say for AOTC? For joy! Thanks so much for letting us know all is not lost, and Lucas may YET (doubtful as it is, right Spanky?) deliver. Can you tell us, oh un-wise one what the chances are of it pleasing your aesthetic?
Really, I can't leave until I know. I mean, I was all jacked for this movie, and, oh heavens -- get ready to laugh -- I EVEN LIKE TPM!
NOT ANY MORE!
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Ok enough with giving Guns a hard time, he's a good guy even if he does have his Jango/Boba identity crisis because he means well(?) ;) I respect the fact that fans want to spread the love, in this case the exclusive Ep2 pics. Guns- handle your business and do whatever you have to do. If LFL gets on you and you feel you have to remove something in order not to get sued, then follow your instincts and your legal advice. But, Guns, I do have to say that I highly doubt anyone blabbed on about the pics to Paul or anyone else at the official site. TFN's message boards are looked into from all over the world, 'nuff said.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ok, this spoiler business that Harry didn't want to divulge and Corban alluded to but never elaborated on; as someone already mentioned, I believe it has to do with bounty hunter Aurra Sing, seen for one second in TPM during the podrace, being contracted by Palpatine to kill Shmi. That results in Anakin's first big taste of the dark side. Any questions? www.geocities.com/lord_mall
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Man the anti-ROJ sentiment on the web is just overwhelming the last couple years. yeah the ewoks were cute, get over it, at least they fought and died in a vicious battle blasting trooperes and getting blasted. i like tpm despite its misgivings but how can anyone say it was better then jedi? the end battle of jedi, you got the greatest space battle in history, the redemption of anakin with a duel in the emperor's throne room, you get the might of the empire with star destroyers everywhere and the every scene, every line from the emperor ruled. you got wedge and xwings, you got to see a death star being built. you get jabba and luke with his green saber, you get to see the rebel fleet. everyone bashes the acting, but its actually on par with any of the other movies, nothing spectacular but who cares. ive watched all four movies in the past couple weeks and although yeah empire is the best dramatically and spiritually, jedi to me is by far the most fun to watch man, its crammed with cool starwars shit. tie interceptors ruled. at st's battling ruled. i dont know, i just dont see how you can even compare the tension and excitement of the whole ending of the saga with those amazing battles to the lifeless cartoon battle of gungans and blue balls. oh, and ep 2 will be cool, but episode 3 will be the best star wars mivie of all six, mark my words. ep 3 will be the great one.
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I tried to follow your link...but Geocities is probably about to close your site from all the geeks that instantly went there upon the posting of your comments. Although I hear they are better since the Yahoo! merger. Anyway! Is Aurra Sing the blue haired bikini clad character to the right of Jaba on the platform during the pod race intro? I am trying to figure out who else she could be and nothing comes to mind.
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This is one girl who cant help putting her foot in it today. My apologies to you Guns and your site, dopey here doesnt know sarcasim when she sees it.
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Ummm, that would be screen right, Jabba's left.
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DUDE!! what the f is your problem?! you have nothing better to do than
slam some dude talking s-wars! get a life man. try posting on the article next time not shouting your ignorant ass off at people. stupid shit. oh yeah, sutonius, i like that shit about anakin being a victim. lord knows lucas won't let anakin CHOOOSE to become vader! -
Jaka, use this link and it'll show you the exact scene in which Aurra appears in Episode1> http://www.aurrasing.net/aurrasing/as_tpm.jpg (geez this feels like the JC around here ;) Yeah Geocities sucks, as soon as more than 2 people try to access my site now they're greeted by a warm message of rejection. I hope to switch my site over to another service soon. Btw here's another pic from the making of Ep1 from the SW dvd site> http://www.dvdfile.com/images/discs/starwars/episode_i/.rom/3.jpg
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Okay, remember that TPM had one of the coolest trailers ever; there's just enough awesome imagery to make for a nice, solid, five-minute movie. (And yes, I saw the Phantom Edit, it still didn't pare down enough; once you remove Jar Jar you're reminded how dull the rest of the story is. Sigh.) But here's my idea: if Episodes 2 and 3 turn out to kick ass - or at least pass for decently fun movies - we should pare down Episode I to its most basic, five-minute vignette form, then attach it to the front of Attack of the Clones with Anakin's voiceover: "Previously, on Star Wars..." That way you can just start watching at Episode II and have a perfectly good five-part series. Thoughts?
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If Jar-Jar's appearance is nothing more than a irrelevant cameo in the Senate chamber, I say just edit him out. His absence alone will guarantee a huge opening -- people filling theaters just to make sure that Jar-Jar is nowhere to be seen on the screen. Likewise, if the romance scenes between Anakin and Padme aren't playing out well, I say pare most of these scenes down and deal with the matter more in-depth in Episode III. I really, really hope Lucas edits AotC down to the essential plot and doesn't fuck around with extraneous shit. As the Phantom Edit showed, TPM really could have benefited with tighter editing. I'd rather watch a shorter film that gets right to the point than extended, painfully excruciating scenes with Jar-Jar in Senatoral robes trying to be all sage-like now, and Anakin and Padme trying to get all googily eyed with each other.
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Thanks for the enlightening conversation, dillweed.
And Guns A Blazin', I never got your message, so you might have to resend.
Face it, you all know I'm the KING OF TALKBACK. Step back bitches, daddy is home.
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if this guys biggest complaint is no space battle, i'm pretty stoked for this.
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episode 3 will be the one we've wanted from the beginning....space battles rule
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Ok, it was hard enough trying to decide which words to make big in the subject for empahsis, so give me a moment to collect myself...
Ok, listen up all you bitches, Lucas isn't in the mood to take your sloppy ass second story ideas, okay?
Oh yeah, and to all of Hobbiton:
You're DAMN RIGHT -- the little cartoon Peter Jackson is making (oh wait, did you little lickers think it was all real? newslflash -- it aint, so you better bitch like you do for Lucas) WONT get the Ep2 trailer. Oh, I know, I know -- you whiny little posers actually believe youre in COMPETITION with Lucas.
Sorry, your POODOO of the LOWEST, stankiest kind and when Frodo finds 8 bucks and change in the coffers, don't come whining to me that The Two Towers and Return of the King are BOTH going to be DIRECT TO VIDEO releases.
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Oct 18, 2001 10:58:56 PM CDT
Good, the space battle in EP1 sucked; they should have had it du
by critical bill
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Up until a couple months ago, I worked at ILM. I can confirm 90% of this report is true because I saw the scenes in their rough form.
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I noticed several glareing mistakes in this guys reveiw. Some have been addresed, but i didnt see anyone mention how this guy says Anakin tells no one about the Tusken slaughter, when we know one of the most famous lines from the script is Anakin telling Padme how he 'hated them and slaughtered them like animals'.
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Gimme a break! Aside from the complete lack of details, there are many reasons for the B.S. alarm to go off on this one. Not to mention the fact that this "review" sounds strikingly similar to the internet scripment that's been floating around, only rehashed in a more blase form.
Guys, there won't be a real review of AOTC until may of next year. Period.
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Just to rehash the point that this person has not seen any cut of the movie. If he has seen footage, then what he has seen is the 5 minute montage of footage Lucasfilm has been showing Licensees for the past 2 months. This review is a collection of previously posted information, spy reports, and bits of the scriptment. I personally have not seen the footage, but a friend has, and it contains much of the action described in this report. Nice try. SW movies are 2 hours and 20 minutes long, so unless Lucas has turned into Kubrick, I'd say there's still a little over two hours of film unaccounted for.
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It's all right there on the DVD. After watching 20 documentaries and hearing one fascinating commentary track all about the world's most ardently loathed movie, one thing becomes clear. "The Phantom Menace" is the way it is simply because George Lucas just expects too much. His ideas are wonderful and he certainly knows a thing or two about creating spectacular visual delights, but he just plain expected too much out of everyone on this movie. Fortunately for him, many of the people involved in "TPM" delivered, most notably the visual effects team, the sound effects team, and John Williams. But how could George expect anything but stilted, unsure delivery from actors who are forced to deliver dialogue on sets crammed floor-to-ceiling with blue screens? Or actors who have to act against a stick with two ping pong balls on it for an animator's reference? That's the real problem with "TPM" -- it was too much for people to do in too short of a time. The actors were in and out in 13 weeks, and, as the docs show, George rarely did more than 2 takes. Has he no patience? It further shows that George had no qualms about concocting his "supertakes" in editing with Ben Burtt, who seems a bit leery of such particular, blatant manipulation of performance. George and Rick "foul mouth" McCallum basically put themselves in an unwinnable situation -- delivering one of the most complicated films ever made on a tight schedule. True, they worked on the thing for four years when all was said and done, but the film probably needed another year before they could really nail it. To be fair, Lucas probably felt that he had to rush the performances so that there was more time to finish the special effects, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they didn't realize that they could not finish this movie in a satisfactory manner on the timetable they set for themselves. The real winners in all this are John Knoll, Dennis Muren, Scott Squires, Ben Burtt and all those other guys who had to toil away underneath George. The effects in the film are fantastic, far more Oscar worthy than "The Matrix" purely because there were so many effects -- all done so well. The fact that Jar Jar and Watto even exist are landmarks enough; say what you want about Jar Jar Binks, but you can't deny that he does look and feel quite real in most if not all of his scenes. Check out the first exchange between Jar Jar, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon; even on DVD, where digital effects become that much more obvious, Jar Jar looks like the real McCoy in that scene. Ultimately, "TPM" should be seen as nothing more than a visual triumph, and perhaps that's all it should be. George has always said that the "Star Wars" films should work like silent films, where the picture tells all the story you need, and that's exactly how "TPM" works. I might never want to hear Jake Lloyd say goodbye to Threepio ever again, but I do want to see Corsucant again; I want to see Queen Amidala's threads; I want to see that podrace (even better now with more footage); I want to see the senate chambers; and you bet your ass I want to see that lightsaber duel. "TPM" has more than its share of flaws, but it's really sad that people are not able to accept that and see what a landmark the film truly is as far as visual and sonic achievements go.
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ep 3 man, 2's gonna be better, anakin will be a little closer, and it'll be more intense, and george is like a sandcrawler, slowly... slowly... getting better at making his prequels....3 is gonna rock...potential for the most serious space battles in the entire saga, potential for the greatest lightsaber duels (anakin vs obi wan, holy crap) the promise for the most drama as we see palpatine go berserk and all out take control, the purge of jedi and death of countless thousands, and the grand salami, seeing anakin actually get messed up enough and seeing him don the holy vader suit, imagine, new footage of vader in the first incarnation of the suit - just time travel me right now to ep 3....ep 1 was holding back, ep 2 will let it fly a little better....EPISODE 3 WILL BE THE BEST STAR WARS OF THE SIX...
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I saw the first Star Wars film when I was 9, it made me want to make films and took me to film school. George Lucas is changing the way films are made. TPM was excellent, and when the whole thing becomes one giant 6hour film you can download from the internet he will be considered a film Lord. AOTC is a work in progress and you detractors who say the guy has lost it don't get his master plan, and stop tearing down the temple that movies in the future will be judged by. How many of you know and love The Adventures of Robin Hood with Errol Flynn because in 100 years your children will think the same about all the Star Wars movies.
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duh!
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just check her here: http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/aurrasing/index.html...
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Oct 19, 2001 4:56:28 AM CDT
Im waiting for someone to write a book,How episode 1 ruined my
by fanboykilla
I dont understand the hatred that fills these talkbacks.Im not putting tbs down for posting, but most of it is total garbage. TPM wasnt the best movie made, but Ive seen much worse than this. No one has ever tried to make a movie like this before. It didnt work on some levels but rocked at its best moments. I dont mind cheesy dialogue and an occasional fart joke or even the demonized Jar Jar. It all in good fun.
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Palpatine or Dooku raped Anakin's mother? If you mean she was rendered unconscious and injected with a hypo filled with midis, then yeah, I'll buy that. But if you mean rape as in forced intercourse/penetration, I doubt it. I don't think Lucas would have the guts to go down that route. Remember, this is the guy who's making kiddie sci-fi flicks now.
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no. there is another.
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Oct 19, 2001 6:15:08 AM CDT
Episode 2's Sith Apprentice is 80-years old and Boba Fett be
by darthpsychotic
...are not spoilers.
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... this movie sounds like so much arse. Why is it faded film makers feel the need to relive past glories? Like bloated former football heroes retelling and embellishing their triumphs on the field, these sad pathetic used-to-be-cool, one-time-visionaries must go back to the one thing that worked and piss on it's good memory.
Lucas, you used to be cool man. What happened? How come you suck now?
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I was beginning to think I was the only one paying attention. I would say Slave or Concubine is more likely considering Jabba's taste for the ladies. No matter how powerful the dark side is, Who else would you swear allegiance to but your own father? Now Zero Corpse you see the circle will be complete, and we can rule the galaxy together.
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Just when I thought I flushed my toilet, the anti SW trolls pop up like a turd that refuses to be flushed. Can't have a SW TB without 'em. Why they waste their energy spouting hate is beyond me. I guess pre-school is in session and they did not get their cookie:)
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This news has sparked some interest. I guess Lucas had to make a shitty movie before he decided to make a good one. Maybe Ep 2 will stop me from using my Episode 1 DVD as a coaster. And as far as Shmi Skywalker and the "Immaculate conception" goes....she is so deep in denial. -
Now that fairly definitive spoilers are out concerning AOTC, has anybody else been wondering why we needed three movies to tell this story? Of my many problems with TPM, my biggest problem with it was NOTHING happened. Viewed from the long perspective, with an eye toward events of IV-VI, all we established was Anakin used to be a nice boy and was very powerful. Oh, and that the taxation of outlying systems was in dispute. Now what we know about EpII tells us (light spoilers here) that Anakin is still powerful but a little troubled, he falls in love and marries, and Palpatine continues to plunge the galaxy into turmoil by means that are never adequately explained to the audience. Call me crazy, but the only important thing that I-III need to address is WHY Anakin becomes Vader. As it stands, we're really waiting for EpIII to tell us that. Along the way we're getting a lot of stuff that doesn't appear to advance that goal ... and what we do get is bereft of context. "At last we will have our revenge." Great, Darth Maul. For what??? Midiclorians? Huh???? I'm very frustrated by EpI and EpII because it feels like we're being strung along for a payoff that won't be terribly satisfying, because it could have been done just as easily with one REALLY GOOD movie instead of with (probably) three mediocre ones.
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Oct 19, 2001 10:55:24 AM CDT
So, will there be any actual attacking clones, or will this be a
by grubstreeter
Sidious has ben elected! You get it? It's phantom! Oooo, scary!
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Sorry to rain on your parade, but Lucas himself has stated that no matter what the books say, he killed off Fett in the pit. I know, I know, I'm a big fan of the character (send only to my man Wedge), and the books (and short story) were servicable pieces of paid Fan Fic, but there you go.
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We all know that George Lucas can only make nice happy films, So WHO is going to be the man to go in the directors chair for the third installment if the film is going to be DARK. Mr Lucas will be out of his depth to bring us this installment as he will be going into unchartered waters here. And I agree with the above post, Star Wars is probably the only movie series which even if he put out a film which contained a white spot on a black background alternating - Everybody would just go to see it to slag it off. Face it, the guy created it and we have to live with what he comes up with. My faiths with him for the 2nd one but not for the 3rd because we need someone to make everyone watching it so terrified at what happens from going to darkside from the goodside for all the kiddies to take a lesson from. My money would be on David Fincher, who I think would take the series into a new dawn and would probably be the right choice if they were to think about making Ep7, Ep8 & Ep9.
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I can see it now "There is a traitor among us!" This leak will be sealed. Won't be surprised if Harry hears from Lucas' attorneys, that is, if this is legit.
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The reason I use my Ep1 DVD as a coaster is that it reminds me about how substance should always be put over style. That everyday when I place my mug of coffee I must strive to rise above mediocrity. That sometimes in life there are disappointments and that we should turn life's lemons into beverage coasters. I bet you have a beverage coaster for a head. Dick.
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EVERYTHING after the original star wars movie has sucked. Enough said...oh, and phantom menace was the worst movie I've ever seen, yawwwwnnnnnnn
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Dude, be careful, don't get caught. They have cameras in those DVD aisles. I almost got caught de-magnetizing a whole shelf full of Phantom Menace VHS rentals at Blockbuster.
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I'm sure at this point we all know this "review" is composed of recycled info found from credible sites. But if you really want a good laugh, check out this story posted here a while back, confirming beyond a shadow of a doubt, undeniably, that Christoper Walken will indeed be appearing in EpisodeII. Saw it with thier own eyes they did!
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You use your EP1 DVD as a coaster?
Man, thats fucking brilliant.
Yeah, Im glad you're big enough of a tool to admit you went out and paid money for something I'm sure you "already knew sucked," just to get a coaster, DICKWEED.
So you were out there with the rest of us the othe day, only you thought you were in the beverage appliance aisle, huh? NEWSFLASH, EGGHEAD: next time, pay .99 for a coaster and you wont be a such a fucking 'tard.
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Or am I missing something here? But think about it, in SW:New Hope, it was Luke pining away to be a Jedi or to leave that Tatooine rock for some adventure. As well as remembering his father was a Jedi - that's what gave New Hope that charm. You know, farm boy goes off and saves the day for the good guys and does his father proud. In the interim he loses what has become a "father figure" with Obi Wan Kenobi. And then you have Empire Strikes Back with our first intro to Yoda, who becomes another father figure to Luke and then Yoda "passes away" in Return. Yet, all through these installments we are reminded of Luke's search of his father's or mother's past existence. This was the heart of Star Wars. All the space fighting and combat was just really cool window dressing. Which brings me to why oh why, just make the developement of Anakin/Padme a "well everyone knows what happens so I'll just throw these in to supplement the action..." type of scenes. These are integral! But I know why. Cuz, Mr. Lucas is a poor writer in the first place and I believe he isn't comfortable with handling these types of scenes. He's not capable of writing any type of dialogue regarding relationships. Want an example? Just listen to the dialogue in Star Wars: New Hope. Turn that movie on and close your eyes and listen. It's really not the best written dialogue - and it's written by Lucas. Now with Empire he had help with his now ex-wife. And didn't Lawrence Kasdan help? I have to check. Anywhoos, Empire is one of my favorite all time Sci Fi flicks. Great stuff. Great developement with Leia and Han, etc. That's what we need here. The seeing firsthand of the emotional ties building between Anakin and Padme. But that's my own li'l opinion.........
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This story claims that the new film is going to have great dialogue and then goes on to give an example of it as;
"maybe I should be teaching you a few things"
Well I don't think that Tarantino, Scorcese or Mamet have anything to fear yet do they?
Also from what I can see the story is proceeding too slowly to get everything covered. At this rate everything of importance is going to happen in the last film.
To those who spend all there time on here saying this unreleased film will be better than that unreleased film. Do you actually realise how sad you are. You are trying to speak authoratively on films you have not seen 5 minutes footage off. Truly cinema is the new religion. Both rely overwhelmingly on faith. -
Oct 19, 2001 3:34:20 PM CDT
**Thoughts on George, Starwars, and Prequels vs. Original Trilog
by thedanshadow
I watched Star Wars: Special again the other night. I plan to follow through with Empire and Jedi. In my mind, Star Wars is the original, and it's so classic, and it's got a simple yet compelling story. Empire is dark and textured and funny and cool and it, on the other hand, has no story. It's all characters, and emotions, and mood, and setpieces, and action sequences. It's got a great look though. Return of the Jedi was my favorite as a kid, and it's a lot of fun. Again, no story. The rescue Han, and go straight to Endor. But I just love every inch of it. I love Jabba's Palace. So cool. I love the Sail Barge sequence. I love the briefing room. I love Endor. I love the second Death star. I love the battle on the ground, even with the Ewoks. They're ok. If it had been wookiees, that would have been cooler, but they would have kicked ass easily. Thin kabout it, a hundred Chewies vs the Stormtroopers. Piece of cake. I love the showdown with the Emperor, Darth, and Luke. Downsides...I remember a funny list, 50 reasons why Jedi sucks. Many were true. But seriously...Han has lost a lot of his character in the film. Leia, after her yummy slave outfit, prances around with all with those big pink cheeks and you could tell Fisher was doing drugs. I love the space battle. Honestly, I think with a stronger director, and some script work, it would have been a perfect installment. I don't hate it. I enjoy watching it. It's the least dated looking of the three. ESB is pretty good too. But man, Star Wars looks dated. When you compare it side by side with Phantom, there's no way you could ever consider them chapters in the same book. But the thing was, the original trilogy didn't have all this CGI shit. It was real. Now stop. Don't get me wrong. Design wise, TPM is great, the effects are great, but it's all so fake and shiny, like a big cartoon with lolipop colors. The actors are forced to say dumb lines in goofy costumes against a bunch of scafolding and bluescreen. If you have compleated sets, realistic props, a workable enviroment, and a director who's good with actors (not getting along wise, I mean with performance), you'd have such a superior performance out of the actors. I mean, Natalie, Ewan, Liam, are all top level excellent actors, but they all did the worst I've ever seen them do in that movie. Well, Ewan did pretty well, and Liam too. And Portman did too. Ah, hell, I don't know. I admire them and wish for more at the same time. Anyway, Lucas' genius is as a visionary, a super editor of images, a basica storyteller. But he lacks edge, he lacks coolness, and he's not a real screenwriter. And not even a real director. But I hope he's getting better, and learning from his mistakes. AOTC promises to get much better. Johnathan Hales did rewrites. Don't know how good he is but thank god. Finally we get an edgier Star Wars, we get nightclubs, back alleys, bounty hunters, battles in the rain. Moby contributing music. Bring it on. Portman gets to act with an actual good actor her own age, McGregor gets a beard, there's clones, there's Palpatine, there's Dooku, there's Boba Fett, there's ass-kicking Yoda, there's ass-kicking Mace Windu. If George can just get the love story right, and deliver a really strongly emotional and visceral narrative and film experience, like his buddy Speilberg can do so well, then it should be great. If he can combine the real world intensity of a movie like Saving Private Ryan or Heat or even Gladiator with his imagination and his world, then I'd be in heaven, although I got pretty near it with all the extras in the Episode I DVD, especially the Beginning Documentary and it reminded me how much I love Natalie Portman and I'm around her age, so no I'm not a pervert. Hayden Christensen is a lucky dog. In the meantime, The Matrix has the coolness and brilliance factor as a serious edge against Star Wars. Darth Maul brought a lot for the film, but one aspect isn't enough. I hope Matrix 2 turns out ok. Aayliyah dies, and then Gloria Foster just died, who played the Oracle. She was good. She didn't finish filming her scenes for the third one. Not good. Do we get a replacement, or excise her, or why? Continuity will be shot with the first if you have a different actress. Oh well. Ok, enough rambling. BTW, I didn't read the above report, just a couple sections. With TPM came out, I knew everything. I read the book, the script, had the soundtrack, the works. This time I want to be suprised. Not know everything, or even most things. I can't wait to stand in line! Woohoo! Oh happiness that was fun. Hehe. Waited in line all day with cool people to get advanced tickets to the midnight showing.
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This spy report seemed fairly optimistic. That said, I'm hoping we will wait until we have our look at the film before getting into a comparison war over the much derided TPM. The "spoilers" weren't anything we haven't heard in rumor before; a mass jedi fight with Yoda saving the day, the back story of the Fetts, and *gasp* yet more attempts on Queen (or excuse me Senator) Amidala's life (a connection to Hillary Clinton...who's to say? Moreover, should we care?)__________________
All jokes aside, I'm intrigued in knowing more about the politics of the now rapidly deteriorating Republic. I'm anxious to see on how both internal and external threats will eat away at it. I've always held Lucas's biggest missed opportunity in TPM was not having a debate between Chancellor Valorium and Palpatine on the direction of their Republic. As the SW audience grows older and more complex, so too, should the philosophical debates on both the Republic itself and the science of cloning. I know this is an action oriented sci-fi film, but background on these will satisfy me more than any lightsaber duel. -
Georgies HEAVILY into the power of myth by Joseph Campbell who discussed immaculate conception when it comes to myths. Lucas himself in interviews is trying to create a modern day myth, taking well known themes in integrating them into his story. He also mentioned that his SW movies were meant as a movie you could take your family too, so the theme of rape IMHO would not be used. That, and he is a pretty straight forward fellow, in TESB, when Vader told Luke he was his father, as it turnrd out, it was true. I have a feeling that it going to be the same this time....Although this speculation is a fun way to pass the time until the movie comes out, I'm afraid that we are added unnecessary layers and making things overly complicated. This unfortunately would probably lead to another fan outcry saying words to the effect of "how dare Lucas not make the movie that way playing in my head for the past few years". My suggestion, read the spoilers if you must, speculate if you wish, but don't go over the edge if his plot does not match up with yours. Peace
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Yes, I've read your dorning comments and yes, I've understood your aguments and YES, I still think you're all a bunch of pathetic ninnys. I've got a novel idea. Why don't you WAIT UNTIL THE FUCKING MOVIE COMES OUT TO FORM AN OPINION?!?!?!?!? What's wrong with you people? TPM didn't exactly live up to my expectations either, but who cares? I still loved it Jar-Jar and all. Going to the movies these days has turned into a fucking insiders fest, thanks to the goddamn internet and all of you fuckos who can't keep your mouths shut and judge everything before you've even seen it. So wither A: You're all a bunch of Fudamental Christians pining for another series of witch trials or B: You're all fucking idiots. Why don't you just SHUT UP and quit bitching? I'm sure most of you will be back here on opening night, whining about how it just didn't live up to your weeny expectations. Who Cares? Are you making this fucking movie? Nope, that would be a flannel wearing senior who's lost touch with reality or possibly just doesn't give a flying fuck what THE FANS want to see. THE FANS are what is killing this whole STAR WARS revival for me. All you is bitch. Why can't you shut up and enjoy the movie? Obviously, these comments aren't addressed at everyone, but to those who ACTUALLY HILIGHTED THE TEXT, you plainly haven't the slightest inkling of trying to like it to begin with, otherwise you wouldn't be rushing to spoil the whole experience.
To everyone who thinks that TPM 'sucked ass'. GO MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING MOVIE! See if you can do better and then come back to the Talk Back and listen to everyone bitch about your product. Bunch of Fanfuckers. That's what you are. But, who gives a shit? LOTR will be out on video later that year, so I'm guaranteed a great fantasy epic. Look at the bright side. -
The second anyone finds out info about a movie, they kill the magic. The second anyone reads the entire plotline, you utterly and completely kill the movie and the magic. All of us patrolling web sites for years and years and squeezing every ounce of info from them utterly kills a movie (yes, im guilty too). now everyone who read the entire plot will sit down in their seat next may will yawn and be completely disenchanted, unsurprised and critical. We, who patrol these ridiculous boards, lose...and cheers to the guy who defended ROJ, i love jedi, all the shit he mentioned, its still the most fun to watch. the space battle, every scene with the emperor, getting to see a half completed death star, jabba's palace, endor, those cool shuttles...ah the internet, we ALL suck, we kill the wonderful magic that is the heart of the reason why we used to love stuff like star wars.
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Well, let me start by saying that I'm a die-hard LOTR fan. FOTR is by far my most anticipated movie of the year, and the next two films are #1 on their respective 2002 and 2003 lists. However, I also happen to love SW and sincerely hope that George can do something with his story and--probably more importantly, since he seems to especially suck at this--get some decent acting out his performers. Having such talent as Samuel L. Jackson and Christopher Lee (Saruman!) in AOTC certainly lends me some hope. But then ole' Georgie also had Liam Neeson and Ewan MacGregor in TPM and still couldn't get anything better than a fair performance from either of them. Of course, like someone else here mentioned, a lot of that probably had to do with the fact that the majority of the acting took place with blue screens and tennis balls, admittedly not known for their onscreen presence. Still, I hope George manages to breath more life into his characters this time around than last time. As far as visual fx are concerned, I'm about as worried about that as I am about being eaten by a shark while playing tennis. Let's just hope that George can deliver the goods as far as plot development and in-depth characterization go and we may just have the best movie of the series on our hands. I know I'm excited!
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If it does turn out that Anakin's conception was not immaculate, then as I said before I doubt it will be a forced sex situation. Shmi was just given the "Sith roofie" and injected with midis from a hypodermic gadget of some kind. As for the creep factor, remember Lucas was responsible in ROTJ for the whole deal where Luke and Leia turned out to be siblings. That's pretty fucked up, and it was the most kid-friendly chapter in the original trilogy. And as for Lucas playing plot points pretty straightward (i.e. what a character says is pretty much true; there's nothing more to reveal), I would point out that it turned out that Ben lied to Luke in ANH about his father. Lucas may be making up a lot of things in the story arcs as he makes these films.
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Oct 19, 2001 5:59:46 PM CDT
This Is Why You Guys Need Me On STAR WARS Talkbacks. I'm Her
by buzz maverik
...that you don't have be able to make a better movie in order to criticize a movie. You don't have to be able to make a movie at all. The only requirement is that you have seen a better movie. Personally, I loved THE PHANTOM MENACE, but I am critical of parts because I have seen many better movies, such as STAR WARS, THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, AMERICAN GRAFFITI and THX 1138. I've seen worse movies like RETURN OF THE JEDI and WILLOW, too. The second reason that STAR WARS talkbacks need me is that I'm on stand by in case some first time STAR WARS talkbacker rolls out the old Bill Shatner/SNL "get a life" speech. When they do that, I suggest that people who are into a series of movies currently being made have more a life than people who quote 15 year old T.V. skits.
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Everybody needs to shut the fuck up right the fuck now and just wait -- when you see the trailer for ATTACK OF THE CLONES, that's right bitches, deal with the name, you're all gonna TRY to fight it. Oh trust me, these fat bitches will mumble and whine, they'll try to find SOMETHING.
Well guess what, BITCHES -- Lucas is still your daddy and still GOD and TPM is GENIUS.
And dont worry FATBOY, there'll be plenty of room for you at LOTR. Maybe not for your ASS, but there'll be plenty of open seats, so maybe all thirty or so of you can get together and bitch together? CUZ GUESS WHAT FATTY? LOTR is a "cartoon" as you like to call 'em.
BITCHES!
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This afternoon, I was sitting on the couch with two of my flatmates flipping through the extra features on the TPM DVD, when my third flatmate (it's a big flat) came in, looking quite excited. He had quite an amazing story to tell. He's an actor at a theatre here in Norway, and today, one of the musicians at the theatre had suddenly told him:
-You know what? I was in The Empire Strikes Back.
-WHAT??
It turns out that when they were shooting the Hoth scenes at Finse, they had recruited local talent to play the rebels. So this guy, his dad, and his best friend, spent glorious days running around in the snow and ducking lasers. He claimed that his friend played a rebel who died in Luke's arms (don't recall the scene, been a while since I saw ESB), and that his dad shared a few drinks with the cast & crew at the hotel bar. They actually shot the closeups of the Tauntaun right outside the hotel, with all the local kids watching. This guy said the beast was entirely puppeteered, and he specifically remembered that one guy controlled the eyelids using monofilaments.
He even said he kept his Rebel headgear, and his blasters, in a box in the attic.
-Do you have any idea what that stuff is worth today? my friend asked him.
-Well, I dunno, I think I'll keep it, the musician said.
Naturally, when I heard this, I felt like I just discovered that Biggs Darklighter lived next door. I can't wait to meet this guy myself!
Just thought this would be a nice story, in these dark times of our galaxy, and indeed our world.
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Shut up, you little bitch. Buzz Maverik is the King of Talkback and He has returned! Hail to the King! On topic, AOTC is shaping up to be a great fucking piece of entertainment. So is LOTR, by the way. Cheers, I'm out.
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I have three words for you: SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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... isn't it hypocritical of Harry to act as if he doesn't want to ruin the movie by giving out one plot detail, but he will ruin it numerous other times by publishing all the other spoilers? I believe you have to be a total moron to read any spoilers, and an asshole to distribute them. What kind of person would read spoilers? Someone who really doesn't care about the experience of seeing a film. Someone who would rather feel important somehow because they know things early. Yeah, losers like that.
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Return of the Jedi kicked the living crap out of TPM, not even close.
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... isn't it hypocritical of Harry to act as if he doesn't want to ruin the movie by giving out one plot detail, but he will ruin it numerous other times by publishing all the other spoilers? I believe you have to be a total moron to read any spoilers, and an asshole to distribute them. What kind of person would read spoilers? Someone who really doesn't care about the experience of seeing a film. Someone who would rather feel important somehow because they know things early. Yeah, losers like that.
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well according to the book "Tales of the Bounty Hunters" or something of that sort, boba fett wasnt always boba fett. he was a journeyman (what seems to be an intraplantetary police force?) and was exiled when he killed a fellow journeyman for being corrupt. he then escaped and assumed the name "Boba Fett" and began his life as a bounty hunter. as for all this cloning crap... well hes not a clone dammit. that wouldnt make ANY sense. Oh and if he IS a clone, then his "dad's" name wouldnt be "Fett", because Boba's original name wasnt "Fett". Methinks lucas needs to read some of these books one of these days to get his storylines straight, hopefully before episode 3. ok, one last thing.... THE MOVIE FROM HELL SUCKED SO MUCH ASS THAT IT SEEMS PEOPLE WONT EVEN REVIEW IT BECAUSE THEY ARE SO EMBARASSED TO EVEN ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE SEEN IT. I AM NOT FOR THE VERY REASON THAT I WISH TO PERFORM A SERVICE TO ALL MANKIND BY WARNING EVERYONE...DO NOT SEE FROM HELL UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!!!! EVER!!! you know... if we caught Bin Ladin... then MAYBE.. but even that would be cruel..
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You can wipe your ass with "tales of the bounty hunter" cause it doesnt mean anything to lucas. I don't mean that as an insult to you i just mean thats how much weight that book holds in lucas's eye.
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Lemme guess -- those two BITCHES are big LOTR and Peter Jackson fans.
Yeah, I can see how you'd be a little razzed. Knowing DADDY, aka LUCAS, is here, he never went anywhere, and first on the sites of the Fetts and Jedi are the stank-nastee Hobits.
LAUGHING MY ASS OFF! Why? Because I watched "THE FRIGHTENERS" the other night...I can see why people think LOTR will be so magnificent. I mean, anyone who can make SHIT like that will surely do Tolkien proud.
OH YEAH -- I saw the trailer all you WHINY FAT ASSES are so thrilled about -- seriously, why didnt they just get ILM to do it? Or is this just Bashki's SECOND CARTOON??????
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Ugh, did anyone bother to LISTEN to the commentary track????
Lucas says that Yoda trains kids until they're 8, then they get a Master...This will be cleared up in EP2 when we see Yoda training a group of children.
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How would you like a punch in the mouth? Of course, after you remove George Lucas' cock from it.
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Oct 20, 2001 1:37:55 AM CDT
"When 870 years old you reach, kick ass like this you will not!"
by jmyoda
Hey this actually sounds really really good! (Cant wait to see Yoda bust some moves on Chris Lee.) Is that possible after "Star Wars for the Teletubbie crowd" aka "The Phantom Menace"? I mean, it was perfect for my nephew (who is 5) but there's no reason Lucas couldn't make a film that pleased kids and the hard-core fans. I'm not gonna say he owes us because he doesn't. However it's sad that many of his comments show little respective for us faithful who stuck by him all these years. Not that TPM wasn't good in many parts. Loved Qui-Gon, loved the effects, loved the saber duels but it was just so damn cute and the acting (except for Qui-Gon and Palply) and diaologe so weak. The humor of course is worst of all. I appreciate 3P0's droll comments, his Laurel and Hardy relationship with R2 and Han Solo's sarcastic wit. I don't appreciate Jar Jar and the Pod Race characters acting like rejects from "Bugs Life" People use to whine about the Ewoks but love the Ewoks. Even the Ewok TV movies are less cutesy then TPM got in many parts and they aren't part of the Saga. TPM is brilliant visually and the storyline is great but I feel Lucas is just way too wrapped up in the technology. He use to say that the effects should never overshadow the story but TPM is a prime example of this happening. Also I think he was too interested in pleasing his kids and the kids of today in general which I find pointless since they have the attention span of a gerbil. After Episode 3 is out of theaters they'll go on to the next best thing and it will be us who buy the books, games and such. Or not if he doesn't deliver with 2 and 3 in a big way. I will say the TPM DVD is a good sign. It is an awesome package although why the hell they didn't put the Jira scene in the film is beyond me, the scene that starts with Ani and Qui-Gon running in the desert makes no sense without it. Oh and I was appalled at how much of a potty mouth Rick McCallum is. He should write for AICN, he'd fit right in. :)
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... Now that I've re-read it, Because this review told me NOTHING I didn't already know and was missing key information I know as well. All it had to say about R2 and 3P0 is that 3P0 has his coverings.. Well no shit. Anyone whose seen the video on the OT release knows that. There's no mention of Jar Jar's role or where the comic relief weight is placed. Like someone already said this was a bunch of rehashed info that's been online for months. Also Lucas isn't letting any dickhead off the street see AOTC, security is ultra tight. You have to be a Lucasfilm, LucasArts or ILM staffer, a buddy of ol' George or a member of the Star Wars teams at Hasbro. I think Harry is just printing any crap to have a scoop. Anyone who follows the spoliers could have wrote this without any problem. Lame lame lame lame.
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Hey Hatebreed, Im shaking in my fucking boods, DICKWEED.
Man, with a name like "HATEBREED" you REALLY must be a ferocious little fuck! Yeah, I'd hate to cross someone so fucking intelligent they were able to put the words "Hate" and "breed" together. Let me guess, "Softpussycakes," you dig black and like to talk a lot of shit, probably about history in general, that you have no fucking clue about, RIGHT?
And you listen to some punk, right? I mean, you're a straight up gutter-punk who's got nothing to lose, right BITCH?
Yeah, take a swing, FATTY, here's your fucking cone, and dont worry, I put sprinkles on it so you dont BITCH about subject (a), (b), or (c) that you know Jack SHIT about.
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Why dont you all join me in the ENYA Lord of the Rings talkback? Yeah, come on, THE KING is at work!
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What are 'boods', anyway? You mean those crusty socks you beat off in everytime you see Lucas' tongue stroking his beard? They're starting to stick to the carpet, give it a rest. And learn how to spell before you crown yourself King of Talkback, moron. Peace.
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The King whacked you pretty good, huh SISSY BITCH BOY?
"Learn how to spell." WHAAA! Oh, there's a new one from a bitch who probably can't get his ass out of first gear, unless its for a few slices (read - four pies) of deep dish.
Ok, Sissy Bitch One, I'll get out the basement, after all, it looks like you need me to take you to school again...oh, just did!
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Hey Mercier.... Fuck you, chief
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Thanks for getting a username after me, dude. I mean, no offense, Im sure you think its real tight and letting me have it, but Im actually stoked you got it.
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I'm a man of my word.
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I'm glad to make your day, cocksucker.
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You're King of two things right now: Jack and Shit. And Jack just left town.
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You guys are onto it, but... Consider this, maybe Palpatine isn't the emporer after all, maybe he too has a twin! Maybe the twin is Anakins father. Thus supporting the family lineage idea as mirrored in the Luke and Leia revelation in Empire(twins). Also if I'm not mistaken the twin gene is known to skip a generation or two which would help to explain Anakin being an only child(or maybe there's an errant twin roaming the cosmos...Hmmm?Padme;Anakins feeling betrayed and injured opening the door to the dark side,see Luke's reaction to the whole Leia/Solo relationship)**PATTERN ALERT**. That said let us also not forget George's penchant(obsession) for/with patterns. The pattern(theme) for EP2(Star Wars in general) so far has been duplicity. I won't ramble on siting instances in the saga, pop in your copies and make a list!! What better way to compliment a plot thread dealing with cloning than to couple it with one dealing with natural(good Christian) reproduction gone awry! Thus evening the playing field and preserving a "family friendly" evaluation. TPM taken into account Lucas is no slouch maybe just a bit carelss at times(see Jar Jar) and I for one believe he has had the basic plot thread for this epic scripted, at least in his mind, for about thirty years. He knows what he's doing and I'm sure he's having one hell of a time F*#@king with all our heads. Theres got to be some kind of rush you get out of a magic trick that lasts 25 years!
MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU!
(MAY THE LORD BE WITH YOU!!)
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Should still be able to act competently and well, regardless of the situation. All this rubbish about "I had to act opposite a ping pong ball, waaahh". What do you think voice actors do on a daily basis? Anyone involved in animation, commericals or video games knows this. Yes, you can get wonderful stuff when you've got electricity between two actors. But fer fucks sake, if you're not good enough or professional enough to realize that occasionally you're going to have a gig that'll require you to be good and spontaneous and electric all on your own, maybe you're in the wrong business. Hell, what do you think soliloquies are? I don't hear actors who do movie shakespeare (rife with soliloqy) bitching that they delivered their lines to a piece of tape.
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Many people don't seem to realize that director is 50% responsible for actors performance, because he DIRECTS actors. He tells them how to act. So if Portman is horribly wooden in Phantom Menace, it's not because she is a bad actress (which she is not) or because she has to act to a ping-pong ball. She is wooden because Lucas DIRECTED her to be that way. All actors have to act to inanimate objects all the time, no matter what the film. They have to give facial reactions to things that are not there, they have to talk dialogue to someone who is not there. That's how movies are shot, especially close-ups. The problem is that Lucas is bad at directing actors. He doesn't know how to pull out a performance out of them. Some actors can pull of a good performance no matter how bad a director, but many need guidance, which Lucas is unable to give. He is a kind of director who says to his actors: "Just stand there. Don't emote.".
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Return of the Jedi kicked the fuck out of the TPM - how can people so quickly dismiss the greatest space battle in history? Just seeing hundreds of tie fighters wailing through space is worth it. the fucking emperor ruled, his throne room, all those star destroyers. jabba's palace, luke in black with his new saber ripping, geez. you call the actors in ROJ lifeless? uh, TPM had some of the dullest acting in history. everyone says how ROJ was so weak. give me a break, NONE of these movies has anything so amazing with the acting that stands out against the others, their all on par, all four, yes even the holy empire didn't have fucking marlon brando, fair, average to lower level acting, but no one ever cared though til there were internet message boards. by the way, carrie fisher and harrison ford were by far the most fucked up for empire, they said so, and look at the cloud city scenes, their faces are so pasty white from being hung over their almost dead looking. Ewoks died violently in a desperate battle, gungans played with their blue balls...ROJ yeah, the grand climactic battle of the rebellion aginst the empire kicks the snot out of the federation puppets, the gungan muppets, and the "uh oh! blast em!" battle droids. "yipppeeee" "um, where are you taking them? uh, coruscant doesnt compute!" "Exsqueeze me!" give me a fucking break.
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Goddamn! Ok - so if this review is legit' then the film sounds good, but not great. TPM was complete wank - agreed? IT should have kicked serious ass though, maybe people are right when they say that no movie would have lived up to what the fans wanted, ok, I'll admit that's true, but that's not why I hated TPM...I hated it because it was a terrible, terrible Star Wars movie. No characters had personality or attitude or chemistry, the space battle sucked and the so called 'amazing' lightsabre fight was complete tosh...there was no thought or depth to it. Sure it looked good, but where was the love?! Dialogue is used so well in the sabre fights of the original trilogy...and the effects?! Shit - they were show-off city, man! Podrace? Go away! I don't care! I was almost hoping that Ep 2+3 were on course to be equally as disastrous as then I could seperate the two trilogies as seperate...er....'entities?'. Midi-chlorians....my face is bright red and boiling! A New Hope...Obi-wan explains the wonders of the force to Luke...well fuck me sideways Georgey-boy if you haven't ruined the mystery of the force by explaining some scientific bologny to us...we don't this grief, man. We don't need this badness. Give me the ropes for Ep3 and I'll deliver what we want....no, what we NEED. AOTC is going to be a bad film everybody...prepere yourselves. Oh...oh...I nearly forgot! People saying lets just hope this film is going to atleast be 2 hours of fun! Bullshit! Maybe for a non SW fan but us FREAKS should not make do with a nice, fun movie! We deserve a bloody ace Star Wars film! I'm not expecting a match for Empire, but I am expecting a freaking good Star Wars movie. Crackle-Tong!
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Star Wars sucks now, didn't you guys know that? The less I know about it the better. I'll just go see the movie when it comes out and then come back to this site and complain about it.
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You forgot to add the "So what I;ve told you was true, from a certain point of view" line. Granted I think that Lucas used this as a way of painting himself out of a corner, but in retrospect, it was true, not a staightforward lie. Obi-Wan would have made a great lawyer :). Even if we did argue about this until doomsday, the fact of the matter is Lucas puts out movies one could take a family to, since he is a family man. Rape would not be considered a subplot. So I still stand by statement of him being influenced by Joseph's Cambpbell's work.
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Need coffee :)
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I would like to read all your futures - November 9th, wake up, switch on PC, download trailer and praise the work which is Star Wars. You are judging this film on something which was made years ago, the trailer will blow you away and all of you know that. The talkback boards for weeks will still be full of debate over the trailer being too much eye candy and Lucas has lost the plot. Roll on May and the same will happen again people bitching, bitching, bitching even though you have seen something which you know is fantastic deep inside you. I cant help thinking that in the end Lucas will be the one with the last laugh, he is not going to mess this up. And roll on LOTR because I am looking forward to that too, any movie which entertains you is worth seeing. But come November 9th, everyone will be blown away and the thing is that it will raise the level for what LOTR must achieve and that is what will be sad. When LOTR comes out and is a good film (Not the blockbuster which everyone thinks), people will judge it against that trailer for AOTC and that is wrong because its just a trailer not the whole film. Heres hoping that we have 2 classic films from both of these because its not a war between AOTC and LOTR, it should be a time for cinema to progress and put the shit that we have seen this year so far to rest. So Good Luck George and Good Luck Mr Jackson, lets hope you reinvent cinema and take us out of this mess which we are in at the moment. When posters advertising JEEPERS CREEPERS in the UK are announcing it as the best horror film in years and a US Box office record breaker... YOU KNOW ITS TIME TO WORRY, as its the biggest pile of shit I've seen in years. Thank God for MONSTERS INC, at least that will set a standard for this year.
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Okay................uh.... Matrix is the best god damn movie ever made......next in the line is Pitch Black, The Fast and the Furious, and Star Wars Episode One and Five. Now.... Episode 2 is sopposed to be out in theaters by next time next May? And when exactly is it? If so, when will Episode 3 come out? Furthermore, what's that guys name? Count Dooko? I thought it was DARTH, not count. What is this guy, a vampire?
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Christopher Lee is playing Count Dooku who is one of the lost 20, he is also Darth Tyrannus who is a Sith lord. Episode 3 is coming out 2005. Darth Tyrranus is with Darth Sidious (The Emperor) and is his new apprentice (we think). Darth Tyrannus will be the main villian in Episode 2, and if Christopher Lee plays it well he could be as memorable for this role as for his Count Dracula roles in the great Hammer Horror films (TRUE HORROR FILMS).
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i don't remember how dooku is ended but i know yoda does it and he says something about the "real power of the force"
besides that, the great part is mace and jango going at it against a monster called "the reek". the monster is in the middle of them and it ends with jango getting his head chopped off. true stuff, you'll all see. maybe them guys will write the rest to confirm me. -
Well, that review sure smelled like a big pile of horseshit.
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Dooku is not killed by Yoda, he is beaten but not killed. The final scene according to the script which I got contains Tyrannus saying to Sidious "It has started".
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Corban says that maybe, if Episode 3 is a little more "thought-out" than Episode 2, it could be a lot better. It's the script that needs to be thought-out, not the umpteenth cool action figure. Possibly the biggest problem with Phantom Menace and Mr. Lucas is his refusal to get a good (let alone great) script. That and the apparent incapacity to direct an actor. (What happened to him since A New Hope? I thought he did a fine job directing that one. Perhaps it's because the special effects have become so good that they are his "Precious", and no one must try to steal his Precious, no, Precious...what has them sneaksy actors got in their pocketses...gollum!) ILM does wonderful work generating effects -- but they shouldn't be expected to "generate" a story, too. One last thought: George Lucas is Bill Gates. Talk amongst yourselves.
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With all of the connections to mythology where is the bait and switch. Yes we all know that Darth is Lukes father. Where is the scandal in that and rage if he just marries the queen. Where is Palpatine when we need him. The arranged marriage to a certain Jedi???? The betrayal. The reason for Darth Vader to leave only one Jedi left alive. The reason for Obi Wan to hang out on Tattoine? Does Jango Fett look like Han Solo? Still I liked TPM so this should be great.
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Learn to read you illiterate son of a ..... then maybe you can attempt a formalized opinion on something you have at least a little knowledge on rather than spouting ignorance about something you so obviously cannot even attempt to comprehend. I really don't have to defend Lord of the Rings any further than that to the likes of you. One step at a time I guess... Can you get through the prologues yet in the Star Wars films without getting help from mom? If so, maybe we can move up now to say, Garfield. Oh, that Odie... What a clown. Anyways, that aside, this is a Star Wars talkback, LotR doesn't enter into it. The two aren't in competition, and I'm sure they will both be good. Can't wait to see either! And by the way, The Frighteners rocked just about as good as TPM, and it did it for about a quarter of a billion dollars less of a budget. For PJ's first effects oriented film, it wasn't bad at all. In a nutshell, I think this new Star Wars will rock, and, Mercier, until you're a little more educated, I suggest you lay off the prozaic, visit your school's library and introduce yourself to the word literacy. Then maybe, 30 yrs from now, when you can understand all the words, read LotR and come back here when you actually know what you're talking about. If you want to take the lazy man's route, fine, when you've seen the movie, then try coming back with something halfway coherent, you reject.
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there's a lot i'd like to talk about, but i don't want to bore the crap out of everyone, so i'll just hit the major stuff...AOTC is going to be everything that TPM could not. TPM had to be what it was to set up episode 2 and 3. AOTC will deliver. For the record, i love ALL the star wars installments, I, IV, V, and VI. they all stand as individual accomplishments of cinematic grandeur, and as a whole, an epic tale that will withstand the ages. moving on, don't whine about the spoilers, if you don't want to read them, excersize a little maturity and self control...don't hilight the text...and finally, LOTR and AOTC are apples and oranges...drawing comparisons or suggesting they are in competition is ludicrous...i will go see LOTR, and i'm sure it'll be good, and i will definitely go see AOTC, i'm csrtain it'll be good...that's it for now...thanks for tolerating my rant...peace.
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