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GANGS OF NEW YORK and ATTACK OF THE CLONES -spoiler bits
Hey folks, Harry here... Ok, the following is from a first time spy, but I know the GANGS OF NEW YORK news is true.... so that gives him a bit of credibility for the EPISODE 2 news. They are both spoiler postings though... the ending of GANGS OF NEW YORK that is posted could be changed as a result of 9-11... sigh... Here ya go...
Harry,
I recently saw some EPISODE II: ATTACK OF THE CLONES footage, and some brief footage of GANGS OF NEW YORK. I cannot write how I have accessed this information, as some jobs might be at risk. Although if you, Harry, need more info please email me any questions and I would be happy to answer them as long as you don't post them up. GANGS OF NEW YORK: (SPOILER ALERT)
I only saw the last scene of GANGS OF NEW YORK, because that was what is currently being edited. The scene showed Leonardo DiCaprio and Cameron Diaz standing together looking at the old New York by the edge of the water. Then both Diaz and DiCaprio fade out and the old fashioned buildings are replaced with more modern ones along with more modern boats on the water...the buildings get newer and newer until there is a shot of modern day NY. The only problem is that there was a shot of the Twin Towers, which will most likely be cut out. The guys at ILM (the ones who are editing that scene) seem to think that they may get rid of the shot completely, and replace it with news clippings of New York throughout the years.
EPISODE II: (NOT AS MANY SPOILERS)
Yeah, here's what you guys really wanted: The movie begins with Obi Wan being summoned to a water planet. There he is told by tall thin aliens that they've been expecting him. (Obi Wan is confused, as he has never seen them) They tell him that the clonning program has begun, and begin talking about how they are cloning Jango Fett (or something along those lines). Obi Wan is led through an area of test tubes. He is suspicious that these aliens know him, and believes someone has been pretending to be him, or at least using his name. He plays along in order to find out more information.
That's really all I know and saw of the first scene (probably enough to get rumors flying in talkback though), but I can tell you that the Episode II trailer will be released with Monsters Inc. and Harry Potter.
Call me DOCTER Z.
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Beat all you bitches. Episode 2 will rock, yes it will! Let er rip you bastards.........
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If i were you, i'd just cut and paste the talkback from the spiderman trailer into this one, as the Gangs of New York article is just going to lead to another debate as to the right and wrong of keeping the towers in the film.
BTW, i'd keep them in, in this case its a time lapse image of NYC history, and the towers are a fundamental part (for both good and bad reasons) of the city's history.
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I think it's absurd. I think we should leave all footage of WTC in all the films. It's a painful reminder, yes, but then also reminds us to stand together, as a nation. It's a tribute to all, but then also says (especially to the terrorists) "We are not afraid, and we are going to fight back." It's another form of attack:the media.
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You know. This business of removing the WTCs from movies and other mediums is annoying me. It is a painful reminder to some, but I don't want to forget those wonderful buildings. In fact, I hope that they are eventually rebuilt in some form. I saw on CNN Headline news this morning that DC comics printed a story in "The Adventures of Superman" that depicts an attack on two towers in Metropolis that are based on NYC's WTC towers. People are annoyed and are hoping that comic book shops around the country remove the issue from their shelves. DC has even offered to buy back the issue from stores who wish to participate. That is a good move on their part, as it will make a lot of people happy. But, it makes me mad. That story was probably written months ago when we didn't think such a tragedy was possible. I say leave them in. Personally, it would make me feel good about America. Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing the trailers for Star Wars II: AOTC. I think this movie will dark and magical. Just thinking about the light saber battle that supposedly is going to take place in the climax makes me rise to the edge of my seat. Not much longer. The wait will be worth it. Which movie to see, Monsters INC. or Harry Potter? Decisions... decisions...
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Excellent news about the AOTC trailer being on HP and Monsters Inc. Means That its just another good reason to go see them. I have to agree about all this WTC altering of footage stuff. In the first few weeks after the attacks I can understand the need for many to not want to see the buildings but lets not erase them from world history altogether. Kings of New York aint gonna be out for a while yet and to just remove them gives out the wrong signels. Lets celebrate their exsistence!! Remind the world that these buildings were there so that the images of their destruction will never be buried or forgotton! And for all those fools that say that they wont be forgotton may I just say that i recently read that a good percentage of American kids dont even know that there was a WWII, never mind who fought it!! Dont just gloss over what happened because the pain wont go away by hiding from it.
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I think that the AOTC spoiler is false and everyone who visited theforce.net wouldve known the trailer was being put in front of Monsters Inc. and Harry Potter. The main spy reports around AOTC say that *SPOILER ALERT* -*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Episode 2 starts with an attempted assasination attempt on Padme, and not on a water planet. This is also where Palpatine is forced to improve security as other members of the Senate are worried about their own lives from Assassins. *-*-*-*-*-*-*- *SPOILER ALERT OVER*. The guy who reported this spoiler to you Harry could be right, but in my opinion on what I have heard and read - It seems false.
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The less I actually see of Episode II, the cleaner slate I'll have in May 2002. That was something that bothered me about EpI, where one of the only parts of the movie I hadn't already seen in print, TV or online form was the parade at the end! Doesn't mean I'm not gonna check out the trailer though! Monsters Inc. here I come!!
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Well, here I am posting about this. Ep.2 is going to be awful, and its trailer will not send my spine tingling like a certain movie called LOTR. I don't know where to stand with Star Wars, Lucas has dumbed it down so much that it isn't even fun anymore. Monsters Inc. looks like another top quality effort from Pixar, they can be the only thing keeping Disney afloat, surely. Gangs of NY is going to be ace, Goodfellas may be knocked off its top gangster spot.
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Sep 30, 2001 7:05:34 AM CDT
So far I know that three trailers are all coming with the first
by brokentusk
These trailers are 'Scooby Doo', 'The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring' (a 60 second trailer) and now I hear from this report that there's an 'Episode II: Attack of the Clones' trailer coming with the film. I think that seeing 'Harry Potter' in November is going to be an amazing experiance - not only because the film looks good...
P.S: I can confirm 100% the 60 second trailer for 'The Fellowship of the Ring' - the marketing director at a cinema in South Africa (where I live) told me so when I e-mailed her. She said the trailer is coming with all prints of 'Harry Potter' all around the world. I sent this info to TheOneRing.net, but I don't think they really believed me (what with the new trailer out - they think this is the final trailer). I don't really care about the trailer for 'Scooby Doo' though... -
In the last shot they showed a very clear and close view of the WTC. It could have easily been removed, but they left it in, good for them.
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Sep 30, 2001 8:12:20 AM CDT
AOTC will redeem SW just as Last Crusade redeemed the Indy trilo
by togmeister
As with the Temple of Doom incident, harsh criticism appears to have lit a fire up Georgie's ass. Can E2 be the one to outgross Titanic? Evidence for :
1. It's a better movie than TPM.
2. The love story gives it a higher degree of female appeal than the previous films.
3. The old rule that sequels never outgross their predecessors no longer applies (MI2, The Mummy Returns, Rush Hour 2, Austin Powers 2, Toy Story 2 ALL outdid the originals. And of those, only TS2 was on the same level as the original qualitatively). Oh, and i'm sure i'll get many of you saying words to the effect of 'But TOD rocked and Crusade sucked'. If you think that fine. But generally, the PERCEPTION is that Crusade elevated a franchise back to greatness after TOD was PERCEIVED as being a let-down. (Crusade is in the IMDB all-time chart, TOD sure as heck 'aint).The song will be the same next summer. The public perception will be that AOTC elevated SW back to greatness after TPM was perceived as being a let-down. -
Temple of Doom may have been overkill, but at least it had balls. With Last Crusade Spielberg played it safe and everything felt neutered. Plus, the whole thing is too damn repetetive -- here's a chase on a train, here's a chase on a boat, here's a chase on an airplane, here's a chase in a car, here's a chase on a horse, here's a chase on a tank. It's the blandest of the three in my opinion.
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for fucks sake, the title is not the fucken film, after all, the title for Star Wars could be HARDCORE XXX and it would still be the same fucken film, right. Of course, for promotional reasons, the title of the film is important as it is suppose to reflect the film to easily identify itself to its key audience, in this case, sci fi fans not porn fans, fuck it, I dont give a shit what the film is called, I am goin to see it/ buy it when it premieres, sorry 4 tha profanities, and 1860 ppl, L8 A.
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The natural progression after the modern skyline has been reached is to show it first with the WTC and then without. Something like that might seem to have a more lofty socio-political message than removing it altogether, though. I saw Zoolander last night (shouldn't have) and every time there was an aerial shot on the NYC skyline (there were quite a bit) there was a collective murmur in the audience as people looked for and asked each other about the towers, which were digitally removed anyway. The WTC is a landmark and next to the Empire State Building and the Chrysler Building something extremely connotative with NY itself. I don't think that if it pops up in a movie people will freak out or take offense. People aren't going to soon forget it, but it isn't in poor taste to still show it. They can't recall and re-edit every movie with the WTC in the background. If Gangs of New York is a Scorsese ode-to-NY, than if the digital montage at the end is in place, the WTC has a place historically and personally to many people and should be left intact as a testament to NYC's metamorphosis over the century. In a film like Zoolander, cutting out the WTC isn't a big deal, but GONY seems like a film which can't afford to deny on celluloid that the WTC even existed. Keeping it in would be more socially responsible than taking it out.
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I think that the towers should stay in - but that the shot should progress to an image of NYC without the towers. If the statement is how violence, power influence, etc. has evoled the people, culture and landsape of NYC - then Sept. 11, 2001 is a very significant part of NYC's evolution, an unfortunately, its skyline. I don't believe that people should be sheltered, turn away, or forget. This will forever be part of the story of NYC and, on a larger scale, USA.
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Well said - and a few minutes before me. If your post had been there when I started I wouldn't have written at all.
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Im not really that excited about Episode 2 right now. I probably would be looking forward to it more if it werent for FOTR coming out in December. Maybe when we see the first trailer, ill start paying more attention, but I doubt ill spend another 16 hours in line for the tickets like I did for TPM. Oh well. Get to work, Lucas.
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They're wasting pre-"Harry Potter" trailer time on "Scooby Doo"? Eek. "Docter Z" up there doesn't know how to spell 'doctor.'
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I honestly don't understand the point of removing any glimpse of the towers from upcoming movies. Especially with a scene like the one described here for Gangs of New York. A time-lapse shoot of NYC's skyline without the WTC would be like pretending they never were there in the first place! Thats ridiculous and is more ignoring the tragedy than avoiding it. I think they should show the skyline before the WTC, with the WTC (1970's-2001) and then without the towers, just as our skyline truly is.
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The NYC skyline of the 1890s turns into the 2001 skyline. . .Obi Wan Kenobi meets a bunch of tall aliens. . .Pardon me for splitting hairs, but shouldn't an honest-to-goodness spoiler reveal pertinent plot information? ***As for the WTC, this topic has been done to death, but I think that Roger Ebert had a fine commentary on his most recent show about the removal of the buildings from the movies. He pointed out that a lot of films over the years have had crucial scenes involving the WTC, and you can't digitally erase the buildings from all of the films or remove the movies from distribution. (On a personal note, I always associate the WTC with the opening credits of Barney Miller--do reruns of that show now have to be changed?) I also agree with Ebert's charge that perhaps Hollywood should INSERT the WTC into some films whenever and wherever it's appropriate. . .let the buildings stand in all their glory.
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yes, i really do love that title. i like it more and more everytime i hear/read it. i'm still wary about the insane amount of CG work and these new digital cameras, but either way, the movie should be fun. as for Gangs of New York, well, the trailer just didn't impress me. i never understood what the hell Scorcese was doing working with DiCaprio anyways. and the movie had that real "soundstage" feel to it. as in, i wasn't quite buying the sets or the atmosphere. well, we'll see... i can't bloody wait for a Clones trailer tho.
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Sep 30, 2001 7:42:53 PM CDT
Possible "spoiler": G. Lucas, taking a cue from "Enterprise", in
by arcturus
Think about it! If Rod Stewart can somehow weedle his way into ultra-conservative Star Trek, what's next? How about Lucas gets some real cajones and breaks out the pop music soundtrack! Hey, it worked for "A Kight's Tale", right? And "Ain't Talkin' About Love"(my love is rotten to the core), that's all a perfect metaphor for the relationship between Anakin/Darth Vader and Padme, ain't it?
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I am surprised there have not been people trying to get New Line to change the title of the Lord of Rings film The Two Towers. The tragic losses in NYC were not in vain, they died for something. Why doesn't UPN remove the shots of the tower in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, where Buffy died last season? Let America Be America, I'm sure The West Wing will address 9-11 perfectly.
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YES! The best news I read (from DarkHorizons.com) since the tragedy.
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I was going to write a 500 word anti Jar Jar diatribe, but i decided i actually liked Phantom Menace.
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Oct 01, 2001 12:42:49 AM CDT
I had a Star Wars wet dream one night and it went something like
by darth ranik
Darth Maul and Jar Jar's screen time and amounts of dialog were reversed. Obi-Wan actually had something to do in the film before the last 15 minutes. Anakin was an older and more beleavable character with early signs of his fatal flaw. All alien dialog was subtitled, and they all had cool dialects. George actually let his actors show some emotion. Jar Jar was the one to get cut in half at the end. Natalie Portman did a gratuitous nude sceen. I then woke up. Toweled myself off. Had a cigrette, and went back to sleep.
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Not to encourage anybody, but I actually look forward to reading some of the better-written and -imagined anti-Star Wars rants on this site's TalkBacks. Pretty funny stuff. You could edit all the best ones into a book compilation perhaps. Hmmm...that's an idea....
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As I've written already as a comment in "Hagrid & Zoolander, sitting in a tree...", I want to repeat again. It definitely is absurd to remove the WTC from movies! Why? Because it's gone? What a shame! In my eyes, it should stay in to show that we loved it and we'll remember it! Is anybody interested in forming a petition group on egroups? Mail me!
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I'm curious about his whole 'Lets remove the towers and pretend the whole thing was a bad dream' mantality. What does this achieve, or whose pain does it ease? Should we rewrite history, so that the amazing architecture that characterised Berlin before the war never existed, or the Parthenon, or any other landmark that is no longer fully standing.
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Sorry if this has already been said, but I'm rushing through the board today. The last scene seems to be a very cool shot watching NYC slowly modernize. I can't beleive that anyone except the terrorists would be offended to see the towers still standing. On second thought, during the morph, have them appear then fade back out. I guarantee applause the first few showings. The towers were there, they were a dominate feature of the skyline for three decades, and all of this pretending in Hollywood that they never existed is a disservice to the both the city and the people who were killed. Worse than that - it's an insult.
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Maybe they should have the WTC towers fade away and have two or four new towers fade in as it moves into the future....
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A new character is actually being introduced. He's a scientist played by Michael Keaton, and he clones himself over and over again in the hopes that he could be in several places at once. The only problem is that each clone gets progressively dumber. This proves to be quite the hassle for Anakin and the gang. Wow, Lucas has quite the imagination!!
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"Gangs" will be a film of passion and attention to detail, with the all the moral ambiguity, great performances, screenplay, cinematography, score, and brilliant direction we've come to expect from Scorcese. "Clones" on the other hand... C'mon, folks; If Lucas no longer cares, why should you? P.S. I still say Sorkin/"West Wing" will cheapen 9/11/01 with a sappy go-for-the-Emmy rush-job script. See if I'm wrong!!
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My bet is that MS will change the ending to show the evolution of NYC in another way. Not so much because keeping them in would cause pain to many viewers, but mainly because it would taint the viewers final thoughts as the movie ends. The ending of a film is so crucial. He doesn't want viewers to be thinking about the WTC as they leave the theater. And whether he kept the towers in, left them out, or had them in and then faded them out--only one thing would be on people's minds. The terrorist attack. I don't think any director should take out images of the WTC from films already in release. But this is different. It adds a storyline to a movie that has no intention of telling that story. MS wouldn't change it for commercial, political, or ideological reasons. He will change it because he is a filmmaker telling a story. And it would take away from the story.
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Out of the estimated 3,417 different rumoured openings I've read about for AOTC, these have got to be the lamest yet. Yes, yes, you dislike Jar Jar. We get it, honestly.
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'Don't know what you guys' been hearing or what trailers you've seen, but from the trailer I saw of Gangs, ack! I've seen better trailers hanging out of my ass. This movie looks horrible! 'Don't know what Scorcese was thinking? Brilliant man, but... Come on, it looks like a shoddy David Copperfield with Leonardo Decrapio and Cameron Diaz. Their accents alone caused me to laugh hysterically and want to vomit all at the same time. Diaz is hot, but she's not that great of an actress, not scorcese calibur anyway... (wait what am I saying, didn't he do a film with Winona Ryder some years ago, or was that Coppola?) What happened to casting people like Deniro, Keitel (sp), and Liota (again sp)? What the hell, am I just supposed to overlook Leo and Cameron mucking it up? I think Martin's been watching Far and Away and Much Ado starring Keanu Reeves too many times. Eeeeee... Ranting aside, it's going to take a lot for me to change my mind about seeing this one. And I call myself a Scorcese fan. And as for AotC, I hope it's good. I look forward to the trailer. One quick observation though, wouldn't the trailer be better received at the head of Lord of the Rings than Harry Potter or Monster's Inc. Rings will probably have mostly a Star Wars generation audience in house. Is Lucas purposefully trying to target the younger audiences? Also, seeing as Rings has more in common with Star Wars than HP and Monsters, you'd think it'd be the more of a logical choice. Hmmm. Is Star Wars becoming a kids only franchize? I certainly hope not. I grew up with Star Wars, and I'd like to continue to grow up with Star Wars.
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Someone has to always complain about something. As practical and innovative the internet is, it sucks because now every jerkwad thinks their opinion matters. (No, I am not excluding myself.)
Every pissed of geek who thinks TPM sucks feels compelled to dump on it every chance they get. Not only is it tiring, but very redundant.
Ridiculous.
TPM being a let-down has been blown way way out of proportion. If the fanboys and anal-geeks were to run things it would be the Devil incarnate. As usual they are wrong.
I find it odd that a movie that supposedly was a "let-down" is THE most successful movie of 1999.
It is also THE most rented video of 2000.
And it's already the most successful DVD right now and it's release is still over two weeks away. Hmmmm, very strange.
Whoever keeps complaining about the SW movies as being "too kiddie" is a frickin' moron. It would be just as lame if someone bitched about Scorecese being "too adult".
It's obvious you know nothing about the films or you would not have stated such a stupid thing.
Listen up, kids.
The "Star Wars" films HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AIMED AT CHILDREN! THAT'S WHY WE LOVE THEM. THEY WERE MEANT FOR US AS KIDS. THEY STILL ARE MEANT FOR KIDS AND ALWAYS WILL BE. LUAS HAS SAID THIS MANY TIMES. SEARCH YOUR FEELINGS YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE.
THEY ARE CHILDREN'S MOVIES...DEAL.
The thing to remember is that you all will buy TPM DVD.
You all will go see AOTC next May, if nothing else then to critique and bitch about there being too much CG, not enough of the "bad guys" and too much "kiddie stuff."
In the end most will love it and some will never ever ever be satisfied because like I said before, some just love to bitch.
Thank you.
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You are right about a lot of points, as I will point out. TPM was the most succesful film of 1999, because most of the people went to see it twice maybe three times because they couldnt believe all this time waiting for the next part of a magical moment in movie history was the shit it was. Then we have the Most rented video of 2000, same as above because we couldnt still believe what we had seen in the cinema was a STARWARS film. This DVD coming out has been pre-ordered by these people too, who STILL are wishing they saw a different film in that cinema and video. They are holding on to any glimmer of hope that TPM was not the film that they seen, I came out thinking I just seen a bad STAR TREK episode. As some talkbacker above mentioned - LUCAS DOESNT GIVE A SHIT, SO WHY SHOULD WE? - These words are the truest account of what Lucas is up to. If he thinks he has a chance against LOTR, the guy is mistaken. He should be banned from making films for the piss that was TPM, any SW fan in here couldve made a decent script in 1 day but the Creator of the whole frigging Star Wars Empire couldnt come up with one. If anybody here is looking at AOTC as being the saviour of this trilogy (Which if you are listening Mr Lucas, most of the people are hoping for) then you are going to be letdown completely. The fight scenes will be outstanding, but without a script it will just be TPM revisited. Does anybody really think that a Billionaire like Lucas would care if AOTC failed, the guy doesnt give a crap about any of us SW fans. He just cares about making money off the toys. If you would have asked me after ROTJ if they should make more SW Films, I wouldve called that a stupid question to ask. Now I think that question if answered No, Wouldve been the saviour of Star wars. The more crap you put out Lucas the more its going to be a reflection on the first trilogy, so get to frigging work and make sure they dont Lucas. A lot of people took your films to heart, made you the money that you have but like any Rich bastard you tend not to care after the money comes rolling in. One more thing, You know that character which you created called Emperor Palpatine, look in the mirror because thats what you are becoming. You have the ability to make the best film ever made, but you use it to make more characters for toys. Am I waiting for May? No, I know you wont change and from the script which I have of AOTC, all non SW fans can look forward to a comedy B Movie with great effects. The people I feel sorry for are the fans but then again they will probably leave the SW universe after seeing what Peter Jackson has done towards making cinema great again. I still cant believe that a man with so much money and creativity in his hands, produce shit like TPM. Now that is hard to do. P.S. Sam Raimi you done me out of a job, and replaced me with Guyver. Looks like Lucas's FAF (F*@k all fans) attitude is rubbing off on you too.
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Lucas had a contract for the toys and wouldve been paid millions up front. I agree with you on Godzilla, but with Godzilla I was expecting crap. Nothing can come close to the old Japanese Godzilla anyway, so I didnt see why they were making it. TPM was piss poor and there is no denying it and like I said from what I have seen of the AOTC script, there will be no saving this too. Lucas is banking on the fight scenes making us forget about the plot and the narrative, he has obviously listened to the fanbase who applauded the jedi fight scenes in TPM. And Jar Jar doesnt die, he is just not along for the ride for most of the film this time. I hope that AOTC works, I really do but when the creator has lost faith in his work (TPM) what can you expect. The one good thing I am looking forward to is that one half of the dumbest duo in film history (JAR JAR & JAKE Lloyd) are not in it, that is a celebration in itself. Just DO NOT expect ESB or you will be majorly dissapointed, you have been warned.
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First, let me add to the chorus of those who think that the title for this flick, Attack of the Clones, is just a terrible, terrible title. Second, for those of you hoping that Lucas will steer this franchise away from the kiddie market and back to the coolness that made Empire one of the best flicks of all time...well, the movies they're showing this trailer with should tell you alot. CLEARLY, this movie is being aimed squarely at the 6-10 year old market. That means more Jar Jar, not less, more dumb crap like Midiclorians, not less, more use of words such as "Ani", not less, and simply more drivel, not less. Lucas looks at his bottom line. The Jar Jar dolls sold well. The movie did great business...in fact, the Star Wars movie which has done the least business is Empire. He's going to keep aiming at the kids as long as the money is there. So, even though we all know that sooner or later the Jedi get wiped out and Ani becomes a bad guy, I think we should all fully expect Lucas to soft pedal this as much as possible to not scare off the kids. My 2 year old son is gonna love Episode 1, and I expect he'll love Episode 2 and 3 also, so I'm happy with Lucas making these Star Wars movies. But he's not making them for us anymore.
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that Lucas probably didn't intend ESB to turn out the way it did. It was probably all Irvin Kerschner who added the dark nature and made it into the brilliant movie it was. As much as I love ANH and ROTJ, they wern't what you would call 'quality movies'. Empire was a quality movie, but I reckon so long as Lucas directs, we'll never get it again. Its hard to think that the genius who thought up the concept of the force and the Jedi knights and all the other things which made the star wars storyline so brilliant is the same person who ruined it all by introducing the midi chlorians and set out to create the most irritating character in movie history (I'm sure it's obvious which character I'm talking about). Either George Lucas is just incapable of bringing his own vision to screen, and needs a good director to do it for him, or he's a complete sell-out. When you look at TPM, the latter seems more likely
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that Lucas probably didn't intend ESB to turn out the way it did. It was probably all Irvin Kerschner who added the dark nature and made it into the brilliant movie it was. As much as I love ANH and ROTJ, they wern't what you would call 'quality movies'. Empire was a quality movie, but I reckon so long as Lucas directs, we'll never get it again. Its hard to think that the genius who thought up the concept of the force and the Jedi knights and all the other things which made the star wars storyline so brilliant is the same person who ruined it all by introducing the midi chlorians and set out to create the most irritating character in movie history (I'm sure it's obvious which character I'm talking about). Either George Lucas is just incapable of bringing his own vision to screen, and needs a good director to do it for him, or he's a complete sell-out. When you look at TPM, the latter seems more likely
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For the longest time, I've been saying TPM was a travesty, a disgrace, a bastard child in the Star Wars dynasty thrown off by an unholy fling between a washed-up filmmaker, fast-food chains, and toy manufacturers. But most SW fans I knew just kept making excuses for Lucas and his soft-core CGI-porn flick, telling me to tune out the alpha waves and just enjoy the pretty explosions, podrace, and duel.
But now...oh, man, these same people are letting it all out, all the frustration and anger they locked away, like Linus biting his tongue every year to avoid offending the Great Pumpkin when the lazyass gourd couldn't be buggered to drop him some small measure of loot for his trouble.
They're finally admitting to themselves and telling the world how much they hate Jar Jar, "Annie," and all the stupid crap that was foisted off on us as a Star Wars flick. Halleluja! -
I don't know if the script summary is available anymore, at least not in its original, credible form, but if you have questions, I know enough about the plot that I could probably answer most of them.
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Dr Evil : "As you know, twenty years ago there was a very successful film trilogy called "Star Wars" created by George Lucas. This "Star Wars" (finger quotes) spawned a multi-billion dollar franchise and a legion of loyal fans.
"So here's the plan. We kidnap George Lucas and replace him with a clone of our own creation. Using our clone we the continue to make films of this "Star Wars" (more finger quotes) thereby mining the profits of this film series and ruining for millions of people their beloved trilogy that is, unless, the world pays us a hefty ransom of ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS!"
Number 2: *Ahem* "That has already happened. George Lucas created a kiddie prequel series that milked profits and ruined the Star Wars legacy and alienated his fans. His is now hated by millions of people."
Dr Evil: "Shit" -
You guys should hold off with the negative comments about Star Wars until you see the next two films.
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Oct 03, 2001 8:04:47 AM CDT
To: Dragon(something), Manowar(?), Devil(somenumber), and ilovej
by halloween68
So, hey, as if I should have to explain something to someone calling themselves, I love jar jar... But, here goes anyway. Number 1, cool it with the hostility. We're all here stating observations and opinions. No need for spazfits. Number 2, you are dead wrong (and this is no opinion) about what you say about all the Star Wars films being aimed at children. You must be a newby if you think that. Phantom Menace and Jedi are the ones that stand out to you. When Star Wars first came out, it was aimed at a general audience... Not just little kids. I know, because I was there in the theatre when the first film came out. The cinema was packed with all types, on every occasion that I saw it. Empire as well was not just for kids. If anything, this one was aimed more for adults. It was darker and more violent than the first. It wasn't until Jedi that Lucas started going kiddie obsessive. It started with the ewoks. Ever since Lucas went cutsie wootsie, he never turned back it seems. Menace was sooo obviously aimed at a younger audience than the first 3 films. Even with Jedi, do you think Lucas would've put Natalie Portman in a string bikini with a chain around her neck in Menace? Not a chance. (Damn!) Star Wars has gone from science fiction to science disney. I just hope that sooner or later Lucas will backtrack and realize that he's in danger of losing some of his root-core fan base. The ones that were around cheering when the films first came out. Devil(somenumber; can't remember), well said. Same with you manOwar(?) and Dragon(something or other). And think guys, what might have been if David Lynch had taken the project and filmed Jedi afterall. 'Probably would've remained dark, more than likely a little stranger, but all in all remained focused on a general audience. I can't imagine Lynch doing ewoks. He probably would've made them giant maggots or something. :) He, he.
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Early is his career, George Lucas made movies because he had something to SAY. Now he just has something to SELL. And I ain't buyin'.
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...are "kiddie films" for a reason. TPM takes place during a very quiet time in the galaxy's history. In order for Lucas to make us understand what life was like during the 'good times', the first episode cannot be serious or dark. I've never figured out why so many people were expecting that. By its very nature, it MUST be lighthearted so the dismay which occurs in the next two episodes resonates more. ROTJ is the same way, because things are starting to go back to how they were before the "dark times".
AOTC, won't be as dark as TESB, but it will certainly be a lot more intense and serious than TPM. And of course Episode III will be the darkest of the whole saga, with all the characters dying, or going through their worst times. This one will certainly be rated PG-13. -
your all weiners who whin. whiny weiners jus be silent and take a break from being on the computer.
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Hello! Guess what, Hollywood? Those Towers DID exist, no matter how hard you try to convince us they didn't. We won't forget the 11th, we never should, and we're strong enough to see them in your little movies / tv shows without having a nervous breakdown.
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I too am excited about seeing the trailer on the big screen though less so than most. Why? Because I've alwready seen the trailer... as can you all, that is if you don't the significantly lessened experience of watching it on your computer screen. It seems that the trailer teaser was leaked early and is now all over the gnutella network. I have seen it in several formats including MOV quicktime and AVI. As for my impressions, well you don't need them if you download it yourself. But if you still want them, it appears to be very dark in comparrison to TPM. You see Chrisopher Walken in it, I'm not sure if he's digitally enhanced to look scary, or if he's like that in real life (implied sarcasm). Oh yeah, did I mention it looks pretty dark. Oh well, I realize this is just a preview, but it looks pretty cool. To find it, just use a gnutella program ( I used Limewire) and type in "Episode 2" or something to that end. It's there to be found. Good luck.
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that trailer I was talking about, is a complete fake, and I'm a complete jackass for not realizing it. Oh well, November 16th it shall be.
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