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Dangerous Days For Bill Maher and PI!!

Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.

I'm not the world's biggest Bill Maher fan. In fact, I frequently find myself irritated by him if I tune in to POLITICALLY INCORRECT. When Harry was on the show on Oscar night and I went with him, everyone in the green room commented on just how rotten a host they thought he was, and how surprised they were by the half-cocked way he went after Harry.

Still, no one deserves what's going on with him right now. Inside sources at ABC are allegedly saying Maher is "finished" at the network, and advertisers like Sears are pulling accounts from his show. Why? What's all the fuss about?

Well... that depends who you ask. Check this out:

Dear Harry, Moriarty and El Cosmico:

Hi, I'm Basic Alias, an occasional Talk-Backer on AICN. Last week I sent you guys a report on the controversy surrounding a statement Bill Maher made on the Monday, Sep. 17th episode of Politically Incorrect. You never wrote back or posted it on the site, which didn't bother me since you guys get tons of e-mails to shift through each day and it's not like you haven't had your hands full these last couple weeks. Hell, I wasn't even going to press the matter, except I read something in Salon.com that changed my mind.

In a Wire story marked "White House Reprimands Maher," White House Press Secretary Ari Fleisher scolded Bill Maher for his comments and said "There are reminders to all Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do, and this is not a time for remarks like that; there never is."

Two things bothered me about this story. First, doesn't Fleisher work for George "Dubya" Bush? The same guy who's done more to warp the english language than Pootie Tang, and who during an election rally turned to Cheney and referred to a reporter as a "major league asshole" within earshot of the microphones on the podium? When Fleisher said Americans "need to watch what they say, watch what they do," was he referring to all Americans, or just the ones who say things that aren't paid for by Big Oil?

The second thing that bothered me was that the story had the same problem I've found with all the other stories I've read: they refer to the two sentences Maher said, but they never mention the context of the conversation, or the fact that Arianna Huffington, who was a panelist that night, has openly defended Bill's statements.

That's why I'm writing again. To see if you might consider giving my report a second chance. There's more to this story than what's being reported, and I hate to see a good guy like Maher get smacked around like this without the whole truth coming out.

Below is the original e-mail I sent you. No matter what you decide, I just wanna thank you for taking the time to read it.

Recently, an event took place on television that has sparked a lot of controversy, but whenever I check out the on-line articles about it, I find that it's been reduced to little more than sound-bites and fury, signifying little and explaining next to nothing. Therefore, I've taken it upon myself to write up what I consider to be a more in-depth report on the controversy regarding the Monday, Sept. 17th episode of Politically Incorrect.

Does anyone remember when the ads for Austin Powers 2 quoted Roger Ebert as saying that the movie had "big laughs," even though he gave it a thumbs-down review? I bring this up because it involves a very important idea: Context. The way certain words and phrases relate to the rest of a conversation. In this case, certain words were removed from Roger's review, and without the rest of the story it appeared that he was praising the film. The studios get an added up-swing from this in that technically they didn't lie. After all, Roger did say the movie had "big laughs", right?

Keep all this in mind, because it's gonna play a large part of this story.

On the Monday, September 17th episode of Politically Incorrect, host Bill Maher was talking about, what else, the WTC attacks. His guests were Columnist Arianna Huffington (her work can be read in Salon.com), former White House employee Dinesh D'Souza , and Dr. Alan Meenan, the head pastor of the First Presbyterian Church Of Hollywood. An empty chair was left for Barbara Olsen, a frequent guest who, ironically, died on one of the planes while heading to California to do the show that week.

During the show Bill Maher said the following: "we have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly."

Sounds nasty, doesn't it? A lot of people thought so. So many, in fact, that according to Mrshowbiz.go.com (in their September 20th article "Maher apologizes for 'cowards' remark,") both Sears and FedEx pulled their advertising for the show. Mrshowbiz went on to quote the spokeswoman for Sears:

"Bill and his guests have every right to voice their freedom of speech, and we applaud that," Sears spokeswoman Lee Antonio told Reuters. "However, we have the right to air our broadcast advertising where we feel it's appropriate to reach out to our customers."

Bill has since apologized, addressed the issue on his show, and responded on P.I.'s web-page with the following:

"Thank you for the opportunity to clarify my comments made on Monday's Politically Incorrect, which should have been expressed differently.

"In no way was I intending to say, nor have I ever thought, that the men and women who defend our nation in uniform are anything but courageous and valiant, and I offer my apologies to anyone who took it wrong.

"My criticism was meant for politicians who, fearing public reaction, have not allowed our military to do the job they are obviously ready, willing and able to do, and who now will, I'm certain, as they always have, get it done."

If all you know about this story is what you've read here, you may have a lot of questions, many of which are no doubt knee-jerk reactions to the quote: Was Bill saying the military's cowardly? That the government's cowardly? Is he covering his ass by apologizing? Was he praising the terrorists by comparison? What did the other guests think of what Bill said?

This is what context is capable of. You don't know the whole story. You only have sound bites. Small quotes. And limited information can only lead to limited beliefs.

Fuck that.

I went to P.I.'s home web-site...

CLICK HERE IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT I SAW!!!

...and pulled up the transcript for that night's show. I've included a couple remarks before and after the quote in question. The results are, to say the least, illuminating:

Dinesh: Bill, there's another piece of political correctness I want to mention. And, although I think Bush has been doing a great job, one of the themes we hear constantly is that the people who did this are cowards.

Bill: Not true.

Dinesh: Not true. Look at what they did. First of all, you have a whole bunch of guys who are willing to give their life. None of 'em backed out. All of them slammed themselves into pieces of concrete.

Bill: Exactly.

Dinesh: These are warriors. And we have to realize that the principles of our way of life are in conflict with people in the world. And so -- I mean, I'm all for understanding the sociological causes of this, but we should not blame the victim. Americans shouldn't blame themselves because other people want to bomb them.

Bill: But also, we should -- we have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly. You're right.

Arianna: You make such an important point. When you talk about the American idea and the American way of life, all, you know, worth dying for. But let us not forget how many innocent civilians we killed when we bombed Yugoslavia to rubble, because we did not want to have a single American soldier die. And now we have over 5,000 innocent civilians die because we were cowardly when it came to our military personnel. And that goes across the board to Iraq, many parts of the country where we bombed innocent civilians.

Alan: I don't think we should get in to the blaming mode, as you've suggested. But it seems to me that blaming is somewhat different from understanding why people hold the animosities they hold. And I think it behooves us, as Americans, to ask ourselves some foundational questions as to what prompted these folks to do what they did.

Fascinating, isn't it? First you learn that Dinesh was the first to bring up that the terrorists weren't cowards. Then you learn that Bill was simply agreeing with Dinesh, and pointing out that while the terrorists are willing to die, we do all we can to keep our soldiers safe so as not to piss off the American public. Finally, not only does Arianna AGREE with Bill, she says that he makes "such an important point" and goes on to discuss the ramification of what Bill described.

I'd love to tell you that things like this don't happen often, but we all know that's a lie. A good example of this can be found in Mick Foley's new book, Foley Is Good, in which he describes how 20/20 not once but TWICE re-edited footage to make him and pro wrestling look bad. By the way, I'd like to mention that the second half of Foley's book, in which he defends the WWF from rather dubious critics, was an inspiration for me to write this.

You see, I think things like this are going to happen more often. With all the flag-waving, ribbon-wearing and incessant a cappella renditions of God Bless America, a mob mentality is being created. An U.S. against Them mentality, and anyone that questions a government decision or has a differing opinion, no matter how well thought out, is going to have an up-hill battle of chest-beating hysteria and misplaced emotion to deal with.

Bill Maher got hit with it this time. He won't be the last, but that doesn't mean we can't do anything about it. Now more than ever, I think people need to take a step back and question what they hear. Don't settle for easy answers to complex questions, and don't just browse through headlines, read the damn articles. And if they sound a little odd, do the research. I did. Think I was wrong to?

I like to end things with a quote of something Bill Maher said at the beginning of the show. I'd also like everyone to consider going to the P.I. web-site and checking out the entire transcript of the episode. There were a lot of smart things said that night. Things like this:

"I do not relinquish, nor should any of you, the right to criticize, even as we support, our government. This is still a democracy, and they're still politicians. So we need to let our government know that we can't afford a lot of things that we used to be able to afford, like a missile shield, that will never work, for an enemy that doesn't exist. We can't afford to be fighting wrong and silly wars -- the Cold War, the drug war, the culture wars, busting television producers at the airport for taking funny mushrooms to Las Vegas while the terrorist-looking guys with the knives get right on.

"We have to outgrow childish and antiquated stuff real fast. Can we? Can we change? Now, I hope, panel, that you'll answer with total candor, because political correctness itself is something we can no longer afford. Feelings are gonna get hurt so that actual people won't, and that will be a good thing. In fact, if this jolting, sobering and horrible event causes us to get a little serious and, in doing so, grow and progress and change, then those poor souls who gave their lives will certainly not have given them in vain."

This has been Basic Alias, reminding everyone who'll listen that when all around you are losing their heads, check yours.

It's a strong piece, and I know feelings are running high on this one. In recent weeks, I've gotten more comments from people about how impressed they were by Talk Back than ever before, and it's because you've been able to discuss some rather heavy topics without breaking down into stereotypical fanboy namecalling. Let's see if you can keep it up on this Talk Back.

And remember... even if you don't like Bill Maher... ESPECIALLY if you don't like Bill Maher... this is important stuff. It could be someone you like next time. It could be someone you agree with. Hell... it could be you.

"Moriarty" out.





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Bill Mahers an ass, write to ABC to get him kicked off
by sundown
Sep 27th, 2001
11:50:28 AM
If that is how Bill M. feels.....
by Verm
Sep 27th, 2001
11:51:46 AM
I hate Bill Maher with a passion.
by Spoons
Sep 27th, 2001
11:54:54 AM
The next few years the US will walk a fine line between defendin
by Zubalove
Sep 27th, 2001
11:56:06 AM
The next few years the US will walk a fine line between defendin
by Zubalove
Sep 27th, 2001
11:56:11 AM
Good article but...
by The Lizard King
Sep 27th, 2001
11:56:39 AM
Maher is a fool for saying what he said...
by No. 41
Sep 27th, 2001
11:58:55 AM
scary stuff
by cornfed_is_evil
Sep 27th, 2001
11:59:17 AM
Screw Bill Maher!
by crimsonrage
Sep 27th, 2001
12:03:18 PM
it could be you oooohhh the fascists are coming the fascists are
by sundown
Sep 27th, 2001
12:05:26 PM
oops I meant Magic
by sundown
Sep 27th, 2001
12:14:04 PM
and there was no one left to fight for me
by apocalypsecow
Sep 27th, 2001
12:23:40 PM
I'm not going to debate the relative accuracy of his statement..
by No. 41
Sep 27th, 2001
12:27:26 PM
Bill Maher deserves to get shit-canned, and here's why...
by B A Fett
Sep 27th, 2001
12:32:05 PM
I live a few blocks from the Pentagon, and I'm very angry, and I
by BigW
Sep 27th, 2001
12:33:46 PM
Maher was right. Grow up.
by dzieger
Sep 27th, 2001
12:36:37 PM
I love Politically Incorrect
by krackato
Sep 27th, 2001
12:37:21 PM
Hope he retreates to the Avocado Jungle and gets eaten
by Alex Rogan
Sep 27th, 2001
12:46:52 PM
a scary tide of facism coming out of this
by Frank Black
Sep 27th, 2001
12:47:00 PM
Maher is the KING of liberal bias
by LordUndertheMtn
Sep 27th, 2001
12:47:02 PM
Chew on this
by The Skeptic
Sep 27th, 2001
12:48:14 PM
Bill was right
by Chocky
Sep 27th, 2001
12:52:17 PM
After much soul searching, I
by Rufus_T_Firefly
Sep 27th, 2001
12:53:50 PM
Scare Tactics
by DyslexicHeart
Sep 27th, 2001
12:57:50 PM
HELLO THE SHOW IS CALLED POLITICALLY INCORRECT!!! THERE IS
by 28
Sep 27th, 2001
01:03:21 PM
Truth is the 1st Casuality of War
by sinople
Sep 27th, 2001
01:09:28 PM
Knee-jerk responses
by Veidt
Sep 27th, 2001
01:11:12 PM
What Ari Fleischer said was _far_ more offensive. Think about it
by Monty Python
Sep 27th, 2001
01:27:10 PM
responsible speech
by siobibble
Sep 27th, 2001
01:36:17 PM
Talk about context
by USSJONES
Sep 27th, 2001
01:48:47 PM
So long Bill...you won't be missed
by A Yank in London
Sep 27th, 2001
01:49:19 PM
Bigger Fish
by Major Reisman
Sep 27th, 2001
02:02:17 PM
Freedom of speech is just that
by Straylight2000
Sep 27th, 2001
02:03:58 PM
First-hand on Maher...
by Otter
Sep 27th, 2001
02:10:28 PM
This is America, right?
by cgh
Sep 27th, 2001
02:14:26 PM
Screw ABC, Bill should go back to Comedy Central!
by Henri
Sep 27th, 2001
02:14:50 PM
We are entering a time much like Nazi Germany. If the governmen
by Smeg For Brains
Sep 27th, 2001
02:22:06 PM
Yes, Mr. Maher has the right to say what he said in a country th
by flowergirl
Sep 27th, 2001
02:29:56 PM
I agree with Bill
by Ckought
Sep 27th, 2001
02:36:28 PM
"Over sensitive tools?*
by flowergirl
Sep 27th, 2001
02:38:28 PM
Bill Maher is an arrogant, egotistical m-f who doesn't belong on
by Hell's Cigarette
Sep 27th, 2001
02:54:48 PM
Use your brains, people
by The Joker
Sep 27th, 2001
02:57:00 PM
Ckought
by flowergirl
Sep 27th, 2001
02:58:22 PM
Dresden
by Pseudo
Sep 27th, 2001
03:00:23 PM
Since when is Bill Maher free?
by Hey
Sep 27th, 2001
03:02:25 PM
Right on, flowergirl
by The Joker
Sep 27th, 2001
03:02:39 PM
Bad White House, Bad
by cornfed_is_evil
Sep 27th, 2001
03:06:11 PM
Another 2-cents
by Ckought
Sep 27th, 2001
03:17:06 PM
Just got into an argument with the people at work on this very s
by Z-Man
Sep 27th, 2001
03:26:56 PM
Watch out for Thought Police!
by Joxer da Mighty
Sep 27th, 2001
03:29:17 PM
Boy, some people need a dictionary
by JeffB
Sep 27th, 2001
03:36:33 PM
Ack!
by cornfed_is_evil
Sep 27th, 2001
03:48:10 PM
Fuck 'em in the ear...fuck 'em in the other ear.
by Anti-fanboy
Sep 27th, 2001
03:48:34 PM
Time to wake up America
by Two-Gun Qui-Gon
Sep 27th, 2001
03:51:12 PM
He should be fired-no doubt about it
by hogarth358
Sep 27th, 2001
03:55:34 PM
i don't get it
by gah rides again
Sep 27th, 2001
04:01:57 PM
And Ari Fleisher needs to go fuck himself.
by Anti-fanboy
Sep 27th, 2001
04:02:20 PM
Falwell got plenty of flak for his comments....
by flowergirl
Sep 27th, 2001
04:06:07 PM
One more thing...
by Two-Gun Qui-Gon
Sep 27th, 2001
04:07:59 PM
Points
by No. 41
Sep 27th, 2001
04:12:45 PM
.
by gah rides again
Sep 27th, 2001
04:15:59 PM
BM masturbates before each taping of PI
by Bari Umenema
Sep 27th, 2001
04:26:37 PM
Y
by Cuppa Joe
Sep 27th, 2001
04:27:30 PM
Y'know...
by Cuppa Joe
Sep 27th, 2001
04:43:10 PM
So what's the solution?
by FilmDallas.com
Sep 27th, 2001
04:51:34 PM
Let's everyone keep a level head on this.
by NerdBird
Sep 27th, 2001
04:53:38 PM
Patriotism
by Cuppa Joe
Sep 27th, 2001
05:05:58 PM
decline of civility
by Frank Black
Sep 27th, 2001
05:06:04 PM
To each his own
by Sandy NYC
Sep 27th, 2001
05:42:15 PM
newspeak
by fladnaG
Sep 27th, 2001
05:43:58 PM
Americans don't deserve America
by Se
Sep 27th, 2001
05:49:57 PM
This has been pretty damn cool.
by Basic Alias
Sep 27th, 2001
05:55:55 PM
Once again...
by JeffB
Sep 27th, 2001
06:08:09 PM
flowergirl
by Ckought
Sep 27th, 2001
06:16:14 PM
Ooohhh, those darn fascist Republicans! I knew the world was gon
by nixflix007
Sep 27th, 2001
06:16:27 PM
Amazing
by hktelemacher
Sep 27th, 2001
06:21:13 PM
Yes, we may be indeed on the cusp of facism
by The_Black_Hair
Sep 27th, 2001
06:44:04 PM
boycotting!?
by Westrum
Sep 27th, 2001
06:46:21 PM
These are scary times (in more ways than one)
by coop
Sep 27th, 2001
06:58:09 PM
Bil Maher's ugly arrogant smirk should have been gone from ABC y
by odeus
Sep 27th, 2001
07:00:31 PM
Final word unless someone says something intelligent
by JeffB
Sep 27th, 2001
07:03:52 PM
Arianna Huffington
by JeffB
Sep 27th, 2001
07:12:21 PM
"Americans need to watch what they say?" Eat my shit, Fleisher.
by Sith Lord Jesus
Sep 27th, 2001
07:20:48 PM
On Maher's comments
by CRM114
Sep 27th, 2001
07:21:52 PM
Well, good
by No. 41
Sep 27th, 2001
07:27:15 PM
Bill Maher made enemies in high places, and now they`re twisting
by Elgyn6655321
Sep 27th, 2001
07:39:08 PM
Bill was right, though...
by epitone
Sep 27th, 2001
07:39:10 PM
This is a scary precident.
by Lizzybeth
Sep 27th, 2001
07:52:31 PM
what is COINTELPRO
by gah rides again
Sep 27th, 2001
08:15:44 PM
You have no nomonopoly on righteousness. And Bill Maher is a *th
by Swithin
Sep 27th, 2001
08:19:13 PM
ABC-America's Bumbling Censors
by Turpentine
Sep 27th, 2001
08:23:35 PM
Flame away...
by Swithin
Sep 27th, 2001
08:26:58 PM
It's payback time Bill!
by rcfuzz
Sep 27th, 2001
08:27:44 PM
Out of context....and a sick sad irony.
by LightningCount
Sep 27th, 2001
08:41:59 PM
Two small clarifications:
by The Joker
Sep 27th, 2001
08:42:14 PM
Whatever
by WFCall
Sep 27th, 2001
08:42:20 PM
A torch in the darkness means nothing to a blind man...
by Boromir
Sep 27th, 2001
09:14:35 PM
How is hijacking a plane and flying it into a building full of c
by Wee Willie
Sep 27th, 2001
09:20:37 PM
It occurs to me, however, that we should consider the source.
by Wee Willie
Sep 27th, 2001
09:24:59 PM
The Truth about America and this so-called War...
by fredman73
Sep 27th, 2001
09:27:55 PM
Verification
by Threni
Sep 27th, 2001
09:35:00 PM
Hiroshima
by Threni
Sep 27th, 2001
09:43:27 PM
OK, after Threni's post, I'm confused.
by Boromir
Sep 27th, 2001
09:44:26 PM
Fanboys try to get political
by TheWalrus
Sep 27th, 2001
09:51:37 PM
Another Thing....
by Threni
Sep 27th, 2001
09:55:16 PM
Reasons
by Boromir
Sep 27th, 2001
10:12:02 PM
Nobody has a first amendment right to host a late night talk sho
by MustangMatt
Sep 27th, 2001
10:20:58 PM
COINTELPRO
by The_Black_Hair
Sep 27th, 2001
11:09:35 PM
Donny, who's the bowler?
by xfilm
Sep 27th, 2001
11:47:36 PM
Related comic strip...
by SnapT
Sep 28th, 2001
12:04:27 AM
i agree
by puubs
Sep 28th, 2001
02:46:35 AM
Boromir
by No. 41
Sep 28th, 2001
03:41:46 AM
doesnt anyone else find this amusing?
by Tre976
Sep 28th, 2001
04:02:31 AM
Freedom
by 5minutes
Sep 28th, 2001
04:03:44 AM
Freedom of speech to-
by magusreno
Sep 28th, 2001
04:38:26 AM
Threni says Bush "like KKK"
by VonSpark
Sep 28th, 2001
05:06:41 AM
Zealotry and obsession is not the same as courage
by Jobriga3
Sep 28th, 2001
05:42:26 AM
Free Speech
by virgiltracy
Sep 28th, 2001
05:56:16 AM
A suggestion, No. 41
by Boromir
Sep 28th, 2001
06:02:30 AM
The US has targeted civilians: try Hiroshima
by Someguywithaname
Sep 28th, 2001
06:19:52 AM
The Bill Maher Controversy
by Lobanhaki
Sep 28th, 2001
06:23:32 AM
Fuck ABC/Disney !... they are pimps... and Maer is their whore.
by DarthSiskel
Sep 28th, 2001
06:51:40 AM
TheWalrus tries to get political
by DasBastard
Sep 28th, 2001
07:06:06 AM
Actually, the really offensive part was...
by Wert
Sep 28th, 2001
07:59:02 AM
The Only Coward in All This is Li'l Bushie
by Anton_Sirius
Sep 28th, 2001
08:16:52 AM
Maher is an asshole
by Stile
Sep 28th, 2001
08:23:14 AM
Maher gave his opinion, and he as a right to do so
by Terry_1978
Sep 28th, 2001
09:11:00 AM
The Constitution protects the freedom of speech...
by OlafStapledon
Sep 28th, 2001
09:34:42 AM
Read this article, too!
by artbot
Sep 28th, 2001
09:35:40 AM
threni
by The_Black_Hair
Sep 28th, 2001
09:37:29 AM
Reply to Anton Sirius
by The Joker
Sep 28th, 2001
09:52:21 AM
freedom of speech and go Joker!
by sundown
Sep 28th, 2001
10:30:13 AM
Thank you Sweet Sweetback
by 2GOLD
Sep 28th, 2001
10:56:24 AM
Not Quite
by Anton_Sirius
Sep 28th, 2001
11:04:51 AM
A Slight Correction
by Anton_Sirius
Sep 28th, 2001
11:17:18 AM
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy
by Azure Tyger
Sep 28th, 2001
11:18:38 AM
How to protest to Sears and Fedex
by artsnob
Sep 28th, 2001
11:34:22 AM
Is this for real?
by ominess
Sep 28th, 2001
12:01:43 PM
Black hair and others
by Threni
Sep 28th, 2001
12:08:19 PM
Maher folded faster than Superman on laundry day.
by Fatal Discharge
Sep 28th, 2001
01:03:39 PM
Even though no one will read this way down here...
by Damitol
Sep 28th, 2001
01:32:26 PM
Lobbing bombs is not cowardly, it's technology.
by obi5kenobi
Sep 28th, 2001
01:43:11 PM
gah ... COINTELPRO defined
by Radagast T Brown
Sep 28th, 2001
02:26:12 PM
obi1- Why This Pisses Me Off So Much
by Anton_Sirius
Sep 28th, 2001
03:02:28 PM
Terrorists are cowards
by Newport
Sep 28th, 2001
03:48:51 PM
So what exactly IS the context of Fleischer's comment?
by The_Black_Hair
Sep 28th, 2001
03:57:49 PM
Ahh. . . fuck freedom of speach.
by McCormic
Sep 28th, 2001
04:32:24 PM
right on, Newport
by tritium
Sep 28th, 2001
05:10:51 PM
reply to Anton Sirius
by tritium
Sep 28th, 2001
05:28:37 PM
Time to jump into the fray...
by Huneybee
Sep 28th, 2001
06:30:27 PM
Bill Maher before Bill Maher now
by rikpepe
Sep 28th, 2001
07:59:29 PM
Anton_Sirius, are you serious?
by The Joker
Sep 28th, 2001
08:09:34 PM
Most of you don't have a clue what the First Amendment means
by son of lucas
Sep 28th, 2001
09:58:15 PM
Thanks Joker
by LightningCount
Sep 28th, 2001
10:36:07 PM
Who exactly goes to war
by gunstarredd
Sep 28th, 2001
10:49:57 PM
Bill Maher
by CrapHole
Sep 29th, 2001
04:56:47 AM
I think I agree with Maher's point
by ewem
Sep 29th, 2001
06:26:11 AM
Maher out of the woods at last?
by artsnob
Sep 29th, 2001
09:18:40 AM
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the dea
by fatcat
Sep 29th, 2001
09:25:01 AM
Bravery and the lack of fear are two different things.
by obi5kenobi
Sep 29th, 2001
09:58:03 AM
The last time I checked, this was STILL the US and we STILL had
by Smugbug
Sep 29th, 2001
01:54:14 PM
I agree with Bill on many topic, but on this one he was wrong, h
by Darth Ranik
Sep 29th, 2001
03:25:55 PM
Definition of Courage
by Newport
Sep 29th, 2001
04:32:53 PM
first sensible discussion I've seen
by kzinti
Sep 29th, 2001
11:46:53 PM
Newport, what are you talking about?
by Darth Ranik
Oct 1st, 2001
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