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AICN COMICS: Latest Marvel 9-11 Tribute Art!
Hey folks, Harry here with a piece on HEROES, the tribute book that MARVEL is putting together in the memory of what happened on 9-11. Gray Haven forwarded this on over to me, so here ya go...
Hey, True Believers!
With the art flying in as fast as we can hang it up on our own Wall of
Honor, I thought you'd like an update on who is contributing to HEROES, our
tribute book to those who proved their amazing bravery during the terrible
tragedy of September 11th.
Recent additions include Carlos Pacheco, Salvador Larroca, Art Thibert, Bob
Layton, Phil Hester, Jose Villarubia, Tom Palmer, Jim Krueger, Dale Keown,
Tom Raney, and Joe Madueria. And yesterday Joe Quesada told me that the
Watchmen team of Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons have reunited on their own
contribution! I apologize if I've repeated names or left anyone off, but
this place is like Grand Central Station at rush hour!
In any event, we're continually touched by the text and art that is arriving
on an hourly basis. In fact, feast your eyes on this powerful piece by Dale
Keown. Only one word to describe it: Incredible.
Also, feast your eyes on this painting by the
legendary Tom Palmer. Truly inspiring.
'Nuff Said!
Bill Rosemann
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Why the Hulk? Why not Captain America?
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In five years of surfing to AICN, I've never been first! *sob* I am sooo happy.
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...but why is the Hulk's head so small?
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Sep 26, 2001 7:31:58 AM CDT
Where were the heroes? The REAL heroes were running into the bui
by bluestreak
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Sorry, but a kid dealing with this by drawing comic book heroes is one thing, but an adult mixing fantasy and tragedy is bad taste to say the least. Maybe to the people on this site all this is just an inconvenience to you beacause it effects your comic books and movie trailers. But here in New York City where most of us native New Yorkers know people who died and had to see this and live with this (not from our TV sets) this kind of dealing with it in a fantasy concept is insulting and only further separates people outside New York from the reality of what happened. This isnt true of all people, so dont take offense, but there are those for whom this is all just a show.
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The Hulk has always been my favorite character, but I've got to admit he looks like he's thinking about smashing the flag as opposed to hoisting it.
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I like the Hulk rendering, and think it is somewhat inspiring. I find it offensive that Talkbackers are taking this tragic opportunity to shit on Marvel's attempts to help heal the nation.
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African Americans rolled up their sleeves and pitched in too! In fact a Black firefighter was killed in this tragedy which was tragic in itself being there are so few Black firemen to begin with and I personally know a female police officer who has been there at the WTC helping out. That sucks we weren't included but the Hulk is. F Marvel comics! Image is better anyway.
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Some people think it's appropriate to bring up race when discussing every single issue on the planet. All the firefighters are important, but this point of view is not. Some people actually don't think about race every second of the day, probably including the artists involved here. This is not a time to be divisive. This is a time to unite.
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In this time of heightened emotions, it is important for people to keep as level a head as possible. Our collective efforts and energies should be going toward comforting and helping one another, not harping on trivial issues as this. Every one deals with events that touch their lives differently. Artists cope through creating in their medium. Therefor, it only makes sense that a comic book artist would express their feelings by creating a work. Some would create a more true-to-life representation such as in the first work, some would incorporate fantasy characters into their work as with the Hulk. I appreciate both pieces. It goes without saying that the first work directly pays tribute to the New York PD and FD. However, the likeness of the Hulk says many things in itself. Standing among the rubble of the WTC, holding the flag, he seems to almost be mourning. Though I am not fond of captions within lithographs, I do appreciate this one. "Strongest One There Is." Think about what the Hulk embodies. The more anger and rage he feels, the stronger he gets. Now think about the "silent anger" building within the American people that President Bush spoke of. Look at him, he is about to burst, he is totally ripped. This visage is a representation of the feelings of the American people, albeit based in fantasy. He also looks as though he is about to go open a can of whoop-ass on whoever perpetrated this horrendous act. Folks, get real. This is the artist's way of coping with this event that has touched our country. How do you know the artist does not live in Ny, or does not have friends or family that have been directly affected by the events on 9-11. Do not waste your words lashing out in an irrational tirade against someone that is making an effort to do SOMETHING positive.
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I would just once like to visit a talk back where people are celebrating the positives of a subject rather than ripping it and other talk backers to shreds. And anyone who has negative commenst to say about anyone or anything related to those who are doing something charitable or selfless in the light of the recent tragedy, you need to take a long hard look at yourselves first and ask yourselves what you are doing to make the world a better place to live in. There is no need to bring up race, or quality or content. The point is Marvel is doing something to help. If Marvel put out a book of stick figures to raise money for the victims of this tragedy, you shouldn't say shit about it, instead you should go buy it and celebrate the fact that anyone still cares enough about the world to help. We should all be thankful there is any empathy or humanity left in the world and pull our heads out of our asses and stop bickering with each other. You are all good people, but a lot of us get caught up in this petty playground behavior. Work harder to put it behind you and go to my web site.
www.geocities.com/terry2070/terrydream.html
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I sure hope the US isnt going to emulate the Hulk--but with Bush in charge it seems like that is what is happening.
One needs to quell this juvenile response, and actually pick up a newspaper to read about what US foreign policy has done to nurture(but of course not justify) this violence on the 11th.
A few recent examples:
a) 1 million Iraqi CIVILIANS killed during the Gulf War, or by the US sanctions which everyone (but the US government) knows is helping, not hurting Saddam Hussein.
b)1000s of Sudanese CIVILIANS killed by the missile strikes on a Pharmaceutical plant by the US, or in the aftermath of the lost medication. No one knows for sure because the US blocked a UN investigation.
Its ironic that one talks about targeting civilians--the US has had a long record of doing that in foreign countries(remember Nagasaki and Hiroshima).
We can talk about the US assassinating democratically elected leaders in other countries and replacing them with dictators like the Shah or Pinochet, but you all already know this stuff right?
So yes, be angry that this happened, but before you blame anyone--look to your own government.
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I mean really. his head is so tiny and the whole theme of the hulk standing in the rubble looking like he's holding his breath. Eh. It just sucks.
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Sep 26, 2001 10:09:05 AM CDT
Both are great pieces! The crap in bad taste is the WTC shirts I
by greased_wizard
Fuck every soul that buys & sells one. The art above will hopefully be auctioned off for The Twin Towers Fund.
The Hulk piece is great, and remember its context: a Marvel comic book. It's not on a tee shirt, and the only consumer applications appear to be for charity.
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this is supposed to be about disaster relief but i would rather address afroshean (and others) who i never see posting except to comment on racism. is this all you have in your life? did it ever occur to you that the fire dept. (and other institutions) MIGHT be "screening out" people OTHER than african americans? i know that the whole world wants to keep blacks down and all but if some people of color fail to qualify then perhaps they SIMPLY DON'T QUALIFY. i'm sure there are plenty of people of other backgrounds who failed the psyche test. is it because they were white (for instance)? no, it's because they didn't fit the high standards necessary to handle this demanding job. a person may qualify for the physical rigors of the job but may not show strength in handling the stress. maybe he or she may not have the necessary capacity for teamwork. or maybe they're an asshole. EVERY race has their assholes, you know. it's convenient for a person to blame every failure on something beyond their control. if it's not their fault then they don't have to face the fact that maybe they just weren't qualified. if someone cries "racism" or "sexism" EVERY time they don't get what they want then they won't be taken as seriously when a real case of discrimination occurs.
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It is truly something to watch the assholes on this board posture about 'morality' and 'bad taste'.
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Sep 26, 2001 10:59:55 AM CDT
How bout' The Hulk landing on Afganistan, instead of standing on
by fandude
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The Hulk poster isn't in bad taste in my opinion. After all heroes are where you find them. Maybe to an adult, it seems tacky. But to a child, one who can't possibly fathom the depths of political crud this nightmare is wallowed in, the Hulk is a hero and he'll take care of this mess. To some of us, innocence is the last bastion of childhood and purity Let them believe. I personally wish we had that guy right about now. You know, the Justice League would've taken care that Bin Laden jerk in the blink of an eye. It's too bad we don't have superheroes for real. At least if we did, there woud be no widows of firefighters and policemen in New York.
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oh yeah. i forgot. not only are all white men bad but the WHOLE GOVERNMENT is EVIL! booga booga! look, we have someone to blame our troubles on. stopping the soviets in Afghanistan benefited the US and the free world. no, i'm not saying that everything that resulted from that theater was good but who can predict every outcome of a decision? the stated goal of communist russia was to make the whole world communist. i think that it was good that we avoided that. you're right, flapjack. nothing is black and white. so blaming one person or group for a situation just makes you look like you're spinning this to suit your own political beliefs. deep 13 out. push the button frank.
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Oh, yeah, it's the US's fault that the guys we trained to fight our enemy have turned against us? So, I suppose that the Army should be blamed for Oklahoma City since McVeigh was a soldier? I swear, you can't go anywhere without coming across some genius in world affairs who wants to jump on the America hating bandwagon by saying "Well, you know, the CIA taught him everything he knows, so, it's actually the United States' fault.." Idiot.
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by the way the onion has outdone itself yet again in the field of satirical journalism. rather than avoid the issue of this tragedy they dive into it head first with articles that are hilarious and often touching. if you "haven't healed" yet then it's probably too soon for you but anyone who wants a good laugh to reduce the stress should go to http://www.theonion.com/ and read every single article. push the button, frank.
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Oh, yeah, it's the US's fault that the guys we trained to fight our enemy have turned against us? So, I suppose that the Army should be blamed for Oklahoma City since McVeigh was a soldier? I swear, you can't go anywhere without coming across some genius in world affairs who wants to jump on the America hating bandwagon by saying "Well, you know, the CIA taught him everything he knows, so, it's actually the United States' fault.." Idiot.
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Sep 26, 2001 12:21:10 PM CDT
I knew this traggedy would not bring us closer together and the
by brooklyn bred
It's not about race? Stop whinning. I know the world keeps Blacks down. These are just a few of the ignorant things that some of the talk backers posted after I made a comment about the absence of Black heroes on the pic. It hasn't even been a whole month and already people are showing their true colors. Well f those who disagree and f Marvel too! If you can't understand why it is offensive for them to illustrate only whites and leave out any other race yet can put the Hulk up there then you are totally screwed up.
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you're right bb. from now on, no matter what the subject matter, ALL the races of earth shall be represented in every piece of visual or verbal art and if any artist forgets to include someone from the master list of races i propose heavy fines and jail time. not everyone dwells on the subject of race. the artist got this painting published two weeks after the bombing. if he had time i'm sure he might have said "oh, that's not realistic. i forgot to diversify the hero's". but he was in a hurry and threw down the first thing that came to mind. i can't believe this sort of thing can offend you when the world is full of REAL racial and gender-based oppression. you should be thankful you live in a country that is constantly learning from it's mistakes and trying to do the right thing. if you can't look at anything with out trying to figure out if it's anti-black (or whatever) then you are LOOKING for a fight because you just don't have anything else going on in your life. get a hobby.
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say what you want about my lack of sympathy but when i looked at the first painting i got to enjoy the feeling of giving honor to all those who lost or risked their lives. the thought of race didn't occur to me. all i knew at that moment was that there are people in the world that will give their lives for others and that made me proud to be human. i'm just sorry that you were too busy looking for hateful omissions to feel the same pride.
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You are the one looking for a fight and attention. Instead of being understanding you were insulting. It is pretty clear how you feel about Blacks being part of the dedication pic and that's fine but why must you insist on showin your ignorance on numerous occasions? I got it the first time jerk!
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for the record i earn a living as an artist and i take great pleasure in including members of all races in my work whenever it makes sence. not because i think it's a slight to ommit a particular group but because all races are beautiful and a pleasure to paint. if i'm a jerk for questioning whether your priorities are more hurtfull than helpful so be it. but do you even know what race i am? does it matter? my girlfriend of another race doesn't think so. my friends of other races and sexual orientations don't think so. i'm saying i've never had a significant race-related problem in my life and i believe that not taking race into consideration when meeting someone is the key. if i were to meet you on the street bb i'm sure that regardless of any (or no) difference in race we would not like each other much. i just don't resent enough people for you.
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Sep 26, 2001 1:32:21 PM CDT
did you even read my posts or did you just skim the first line,
by deep 13
rasists come in all colors too.
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Its not like the Hulk is pounding an arab into a fine red mist...
Kids reading that can use comics to briefly escape life and feel better about what happened. "Watch out terrorists, you've pissed off the Hulk."
Hell, the current issue of Peter Parker: Spiderman is ALL about a kid using comics to escape his miserable life.
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The Hulk smashes buildings. That's ALL he does! Why in god's name would they use the Hulk to pay tribute to a fallen building?! It's like drawing Godzilla crying and planting an American flag in the rubble.
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no one noticed that there aren't any FEMALE rescue workers depicted either! this deliberate slight against the women who risked their lives must be pointed out and argued about as well! god, what a waste of time...i'm sorry.
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I'm surprised X-Factor didn't get to the WTC in time...
Check out this scan from an old Marvel Universe Handbook...
http://www.montesol.org/images/Images3/3Image18.htm
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I guess it's still sorta hip to bash Marvel, but you need to stop jumping over things before you see the finished product. The book is 64 pages long. Those were only 2 of the images and only one of the Hulk. When the book comes out you'll find a lot of different artists contributing a lot of different takes on the WTC attack. As for where the heroes are, one book, Amazing Spider-Man, will address the terrorist attacks.
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...and even HE can't fix it.
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Sep 26, 2001 3:35:00 PM CDT
ok, that's it! i didn't invade your sense of personal space by c
by deep 13
since you don't have a problam with name-calling i guess i won't either. but first let me present your comments to me publicly, the way i expect you to address me in the future. > first off for you to throw around comparisons to the clan is to insult all the innocents that were kill or terrorized at their hands!! you insufferable little worm. do you really think my questioning the appropriateness of your obsession at this time is at all comparable to the thousands of victems of persecution at the hands of the kkk and other hate mongers? then you must not think much of them. that's because your argument isn't really about race, it's about yourself and how self-rightious you can feel by condemning someone else! if not the person who painted this than me. as for my aquaintences of other backgrounds being relevant i thought perhaps it would remind you that i NEVER ONCE made a negative statment about another race. my whole point, you self-congradulatory ass, is than i find fault with people who feel they are judged by their race when they are really being judged by their actions. i'm through with you and your hateful world-view. i just hope you are never the victem of REAL persecution. ---- and harry, i pray that you don't find this post too insulting to post. i really want it out there.
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Sep 26, 2001 3:39:15 PM CDT
Greyhaven, I don't think Amazing Spider-man shouldn't even addre
by carycoatney
Think of it. All of Marvel's heroes could have prevented this attack, especially the Fantastic Four or the Avengers. How can any one writer like Chris Claremont or whoever writing whatever the hottest overpriced title explain the absence of any of Marvel's roster when they have saved the WTC from disaster countless times before by the likes of Doctor Doom or Doctor Octopus? It's a nice thing to have a tribute book and money donated from it to a worthy cause- but as far as incorporating the real tragedy in the storylines themselves- freakin' forgedditaboutit ! It'll make both books and their characters look inadequadate. It shouldn't even be brought up.
By the way Mr. Greyhaven, when are you or Mr. SMIC ever going to get around to reviewing my book,
The Deposit Man Kaleidoscopic Medicine Freak Show ? I sent copies out to SMIC with the promise that he would review it. So far Nada. Any further inquires should be made to depositman at yahoo dot com.
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Sep 26, 2001 3:43:08 PM CDT
The reason I sent that message to you directly was because I fel
by brooklyn bred
You are a little whining bitch who is narrow minded and pathetic. I do not need to take up a great amount of space to tell you what you and others who had the unfortunate task of reading your mindless rambling. I stand behind what I said punk and back it up to the fullest. See this was why I sent you that note directly because it has no place here. But please believe I have the balls to tel you what I feel and you are the weasel who could not leave it alone! I ignored your stupid posts but after the last I felt you needed to be told what kind of and I use the term loosely Man you are.
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....that for the idiots complaining about the Hulk picture. Are u fucking blind? The picture is saying the USA is the strongest one there is. I think it's great. Get your head outta your assholes bitches.
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Hulk strongest there is! You no mad, hulk smash next person say hulk taste bad!
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you fuckin idiots!!! HULK represents the USA hence the "strongest one there is" line.
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Sep 26, 2001 5:31:50 PM CDT
WOWWW how quickly the liberals have reverted to there true natur
by justice41
GUYs/GALs, can we not start this kind of bashing? These aren't really feedback forums there venting boards.Sheesssh,, how many of you people don't have a cat or wife or dog to kick? Please get one, spare us your vitriol. Funny thing about you peacenicks, If i slapped you across the face you'd all try to kill me but your willing to allow another country to hit us and get away with it. Folks,this aint Jerry Springer,the US didn't cheat with the Terrorists Girl, so they had to get revenge. This is about a way of life.It's just a shame that ya'll can't at least follow the will of your convictions and just pack up and move out of the country. No, too cowardly to do that.Instead you and your type try to undermine the way, we in this Counrty,choose to live.To blame what happened on the actions our country took to safeguard our way of life,is just plain Treasonous and Un Patriotic.Just Yellow, right down to you toes. Hopefully they will reinstate the draft, this way you cowards will either be forced into the military or you'll flee the country like the cowards you are. Either way some good will come out of it. As for the Posters, show everyone here the scanned ,cancelled checks that you wrote out to the relief effort . Just upload the scans and show us your contribution. If you can't do that at least show us the emails that you recieved, thanking you for your donations. At least these people, especially Dale keown, who lives in Canada,is doing something. I think the images are fantastic.
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and the reason why keown used hulk is because that's the character he is known for most of all. now back off and let it be and buy a bunch for yourself, friends, and family.
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I know plenty of firemen and policemen of color...and women too! Um, why aren't they on there? Oh, I remember, all superheroes are white. Never mind.
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I like them both,but I like the one of the Hulk more. And who says it's the WTC...it's looks like rubble to me, so I don't think it's in poor taste.
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Sep 26, 2001 6:32:08 PM CDT
The Hulk drawing is offensive?? Are you guys really that simple
by rated-r
First of all the Hulk picture wasn't drawn to offend but to show the strenght of America. "Strongest One There Is" it says, meaning that the U.S. is the strongest fucking country spirit and military wise there is. The illustration show's the Hulk, looking very angry, witnessing the WTC destruction AFTER THE TERRORIST ATTACKED IT holding old glory. Why the fuck would you think that the Hulk caused this dissaster? Are you really that stupid? Do you think the artist is that insensative to draw an offensive picture at this time? Don't you get it? Idiots! This is what I get from the picture as I think everyone should, The Hulk is looking at the after math of the attack and instead of mourning he grows incredibly angry as alot of us do! In a very patrotic manner, he picks up of a flag in defiance of the terrorist and is looking to Smash... thats right Smash the fuck out of the ones who cause this namely Bin Ladden! In other words the Hulk enbodies the strenght of the U.S. our patritism by holding the flag and our anger! It says to me "You just fucked with the wrong country" and it also tells me "you just woke a sleeping giant, A BIG FUCKING GREEN GIANT! Anyways try not to be so judgemental on these artists, they are merely trying to pay tribute and honoring the heroes and the deceased the only way they can, with their art and their love for comic book heroes. Also to ones that are attacking Dale Keown artistic talents by saying that the Hulk's head looks to small, I'll let you know that he's one of the best comic book artist around today. Speaking as an artist myself, when drawing exaggerated characters like the Hulk most of the time we will draw the head smaller than the rest of the body to give the illusion of great mass on the rest of the body such as the arms and legs.
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Sep 26, 2001 6:38:37 PM CDT
Hey!! There were no surviros until now, and all they are finding
by coturno
No survivors
Only shattered corpses
What the fuck is that kid doing with the fireman? Did he trip in the rubble? BAH
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Did anyone of the "Why are there no black officers or firemen in this picture?" happen to notice that the policeman just above the rubble line appears to be black? I might have seen the only version with a black man, but I am almost certain he is black.
This was a great American Tragedy and Marvel is just trying to do what they can to help. Let's do what we can do and show some damn American pride and not spend our time pissing and moaning over damn comic book art. If you don't like, buy it anyway. The money will go to the victems and you can throw the book away. There are more important things in the world then being upset that there is only one black man in a damn charity peice of art. Calm down and move on! -
offended and/or indignant over either of these pictures hinges entirely on how desperate you are for an excuse to be offended and/or indignant.
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this is bruce david banner, someone please help me. I am trapped inside this green beast. Damn those gamma rays! DAMN THEM!!!
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All brooklynbred does is bitch about race. It doesn't mattr whatthe tb is about he has to bring it up. It always has been it always will be. He has his head so twisted around that if someone tried to save him he would bitch they weren;t black and insist on dying unless some black hero saved him. If you repaint the hulk black, then he'll be happy. Maybe.
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I find the picture of the Hulk standing on top of the ruined World Trade Centre to be in very poor taste.
Many people have died. Let their families and friends mourn without having the humiliation of seeing such pathetic images of propaganda.
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that was about the funniest 10 minutes of reading i've ever had. witht the exception of a few people, you are all idiots. quit whining and go sign up. for us or for them. because that is all that counts anymore.
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As a volunteer firefighter in Canada I believe the images to be in great taste and honor. The Hulk image to me represents the superhuman effort and magnitude of what the firefighters and other rescue workers went through and for the surving firefighters the strength and determination they are showing after they lost so many friends and brothers. These guys evacuated close to 20 000 thousand people from those buildings before they fell not thinking twice about themselves..think about it..20 000..and they lost 300 hundred of their own and still managed to work non-stop and raise your country's flag...that's heroic..the first painting with the firefighter bringing out the child is also appropriate..think of all the mothers and fathers the firefighters saved, the schools evacuated around the World Trade center...think about it...and as far as the race issue goes I have to agree with the talk-backer about WWIII...BB reminds me of an incident I had when I was out with my girlfriend one night,...a group of kids approached us white and black,about 10 of them...I tried to get out of the way of one of the black kids but he banged into me.He was about 16, talking loudly and asked me to watch where the fuck I was going.Not wanting a fight(I'm to old for that shit)and being out with my woman I apologized to him. That wasn't good enough for him. He then asked me if I was racsist..very loudly. I of course said no and being the better man I walked away with my lady but not before saying fuck you and flipping him the bird.I did that because he was an asshole, not because he was black..My moral here is to Deep 13 and Brooklyn Bred. Some people, regardless of race, will use the race card to feel sorry for themselves,looking for a fight or to compensate for deep seated insecurities or any problem they have,whether its the white guy who says he was passed over for a job because of affirmative action or the black guy who says he didn't get the job because he was black.And some people are just looking for a fight regardless.This is to both you guys.I've never felt this much tension in talk back before between two guys so I suggest you guys grow up before you get banned.Now is not the time for devisiveness and anger towards each other.That's exactly what the terrorists want..Talk back is for intelligent disscusion which you guys are not engaging in..race should not be an issue in regards to this discussion...(read the disclaimer before you post guys)For once can't anyone forget about all the bullshit surrounding who and why the attack happened...these pieces of art are dedicated to the 300 or so firefighters and other ems workers(OF ALL RACES) who lost their lives rescuing people regardless of colors ,creeds, and religions.I think most of us understand this.Take care guys and God bless.
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Can't you people see that the "Stongest One There IS" is referring the the country.....USA? The Hulk is being used as an analogy.
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Good point on that fist thing. I guess this is just a stock pic of the Hulk with a flag painted in.
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I've never talked back before, but here goes. The Hulk image is absolutely fucking brilliant you bloody pinheads. If there was ever a comic book fantasy hero who would be of some fucking use durring this tradegy would be the god damn Hulk.
Marvel knows what f#%^& time it is and they are giving us an image of hope amidst this horrible destruction. Hulk is not just about "HULK SMASH!!!" hence why the hell do you think he is holding the American flag?!? Now if the flagpole was twisted up pretzel like then I would agree with you.
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Engage brain before opening mouth. Imagine for one second all the dead and injured people, the volunteers working day and night to clear the aftermath. The mental and physical trauma experienced by those involved. If it helps go to CNN.com and look at the pictures / study the video footage. There always has to be someone with the banner to fly bringing attention to their cause - there is a time and place for everything. If you really want to help donate some money to one of the many charities to help the victims. Just take a second to think and realise how disrespectful your comments are.
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Sep 27, 2001 6:48:09 AM CDT
This is exactly why the Terrorists were able to do what they did
by brooklyn bred
It is because Whites feel that this is their country and theirs only and when anyone non white speaks their mind about something they feel was in injustice you call us whiners. Here all I did was say how there are no Blacks in that stupid picture, how a Black firefighter died and that I personally know of a female Black Police officer who has been helping to save lives. Instead of maybe dude is on to something the majority of you wrote me off as a whiner. Nevermind the fact there are other posts who agree that the artists are in their own little world. That's why I laughed when people said how this tragedy brought us closer as a nation. We will never be close because you are never willing to bend. Every talkback from a white person blasted me yet you saw how many posts Deep put up until I finally had to say something. But I guess you are just looking out for your own.
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It simply does not make sense to examine every work of art or representation for its inclusion or lack of inclusion of people of different races. We live in a free country - so why don't you draw a picture for yourself that meets your lofty standards? I'd love to see it.
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I read the piece from Harry on how he's surprised that people are shitting on the Hulk pic, but I honestly can't say I am. The pic itself is breath-taking, superb artwork and I have it up on my desktop right now. However I don't think the choice of this image to use with the Hulk was that well thought-out. The sight of the Hulk standing over a pile of rubble where the WTC stood usually means one thing, especially with a character that is universally well-known for smashing the shit out of stuff.Even the fact that he's holding the US flag can have other meanings aside from patriotic. I think the Hulk could have been used but perhaps in another pose, and I think there will be many more negative reactions to this. Especially from the general public, who may wonder who's side the Hulk is supposed to be on.
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You know, if you look closely in Palmer's painting I think the last portrait towards the bottom of the picture depicts a African-American or a hispanic police officer. Just a observation- so don't everybody go freaking out at once.
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Lots of them were African-Anerican and two of them were Asian-American and one was of Arabic descent and two were from Romania and seven of them were Latino and the Latinos were sad that they had to cancel the Latin Grammys but one of the African-Americans said he didn't care so the Arabic one hit him in the head and told him to show some respect for the Latin Grammys. One of the Asian-American ones is a lady and so are both of the Romainan ones. One of the African-American ones started kissing with the Asian-American ones and a baby came out and he smiled at me but the Romainan ladies just like ladies so they can't have babies together but they said they want to get one, like a Vietnamese baby. There was a white Fireman, too, but he was fat and stupid and was only good for getting the other Firefighters sodas when they were hot and they laughed at him and kicked him and called him words I don't know but I still like seeing Firefighters.
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I live in Brooklyn and work 3 blocks away from the World Trade Center. We lost a lot of loved ones and many a hero died that day. I can understand someone immediately looking at that picture and thinking "where am I?".
My dad is a cop and worked in NY on that day. Please understand that a brotherhood lives and grows here. We have had many negative accidents in the past. Racism has not disappeared. Understand how "we"( minorities, women, etc.) would feel left out. If this tribute is meant to honor everyone involved in this horrible event then, yes we should have been included in the photo. We have a long road ahead of us my friends. And only together can we defeat this great evil.
I hope we can be sensitive to peoples emotions. We all want to help and be involved in our own way. We shold try to show some love, understanding and compassion. I liked the Hulk image, it spoke to those you are ready to listen. And we ALL know Marvel is not trying to offend anyone. But don't stop talking back and bitching...that is what our country is about, PEACE. -
Real cute, Marvel. Y'know I kinda thought that the firefighters, policemen, and rescuers were the strongest (not to mention families dealing with this). Oh, and that painting with the firefighters didn't offend me, but yeah, other races should've been equally represented.
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hey i don't want to get the shouting match going again but brooklynlove said something that reminded me of something that might make my point a little clearer. he said he looked at the picture and said "where am i?" now this reminded me of the hundredth time that i was watching the movie preditor II. i'm sure you all know that it stars danny glover, a terriffic actor who sort of became the modern representative of the "black sidekick" stereotype. in this movie he was the main character and had a team of policemen (and women) beneath him that were a realistic mix of ethnicities. now the reason this movie stands out to me now is because it had a main character who was african-american but he never once made a point out of it. there was no passenger 52 line about "always bet on black". this was a movie about a cop doing his job and it didn't even occur to me that he was black because that wasn't the point. i can't think of a SINGLE other movie (help me out people) with an african-american main character (not a buddy or sidekick) who didn't once make a point about being black. and you know what? that movie was great. i never once watched it and said "great, there's only one white guy in this movie and he's the goofy comic-relief. where am i?" why is it nessessary to represent someone's particular race (whatever that may be) for them to identify with the move/ artwork/ misician? i don't care who's telling the story as long as it's a good story and i challenge you all to do the same. maybe if people don't make such a point out of things every time it will all come together naturally. that's all i've been saying and i'm gonna try to just let this subject alone now. PS: loved your post trendrill (or is it really ralph wiggams?). push the button, frank.
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Sep 27, 2001 4:35:04 PM CDT
Thank you Brooklyn Love that's all I was trying to say.
by brooklyn bred
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Sep 27, 2001 4:41:03 PM CDT
Thank you Brooklyn Love that's all I was trying to say.
by brooklyn bred
And Deep 13 you'll never get it so like you said earlier, stop beating a dead horse.
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AAAAAHHH! It not easy be green! Hulk smash next person whine of black and white! Hulk on same side of army this time! Hulk smash afga and stan! Hulk smash!
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It's funny, listening to the U.S. media (and some of you), you'd think that the terrorists attacked the Unted States out of jealousy and not because your country took sides in matters that were potentially dangerous for your country (in this case: funding Israel so much against palestine, bombing Iraq every two weeks, tec.etc...this crap makes people mad by the way). You'd think the U.S.A. was this perfect country that never bombed anyone, never profited from some other less fortunate country's pain, you'd think you guys are, like, The "Policemen of the World" or something. Well, guess what, you had some part in your own destruction back on the 11th. You guys funded monsters and they came back at you. You guys protected regimes at times when it was very profitable for the U.S. to do so even if it meant putting others in harms way only to find out that your funded "friends" were using that $$$ to plot against you and put YOU in the shithole.
Being patriotic is a great thing, it moves a country forward. Being TOO patriotic makes you blind to your faults and arrogant.
If a major U.S. company trained and gave money to a group in the States and that same group turned out to be maniacs and they attacked American targets, you'd hold that major co. partly responsible too and you'd sue their pants off of them. This is the same shit except you can't stand to point the finger at someone else than the scapegoats you're currently balming. Bomb others all you want, everybody ends up paying someday one way or the other...
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People, this picture is depicting one of the strongest figures in the Marvel Universe standing in the rubble and holding the symbol of our great nation. If you notice an angered and confused Hulk is holding the flag at half mast. This picture represents the fact that you can knock down our country, but we will rise up and fight in the end.
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Count me along the many who think that a better character than the Hulk could have been used. Heck, I'd even have voted for Dr Doom passing a note to Reed Richards expressing sympathy to the victims and pledging his nation's support.
What is surprising is that the idiots who try to defend the Hulk poster as saying he represents the US. So you say the US is a radioactive monster who lashes out in blind anger because no one understands you? Hmmmm. Sad.
Give me Captain America any day of the week, thank you, just please keep Bucky dead. -
Trust me you learned nothing!
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Sep 28, 2001 12:27:13 PM CDT
Those who bash the Hulk image, have you ever read a Hulk comic?
by daredevil
The Hulk is not always a raging monster. There have been many times over the past 30 years in which he has been able to gain control of his angry side, and even a few where the personality of Dr. Bruce Banner was completely in control of the Hulk body and he never reverted to human form. I haven't been reading lately, but I belive that that is the current situation in the comic. To me the picture looks like the Hulk heard about what was happening, started jumping his way to NY, and is currently helping lift tons of rubble out of the way. I'm sure Ben Grimm (the Thing, for those of you who are obviously not comic book readers), Iron Man, Wonder Man, and She-Hulk are right alongside him. And it looks to me that amid the search through the rubble, Hulk found the flag from atop the building and picked it up (and yes, the drawing looks slightly off as far as where the pole enters his hand and where it leaves, but we're talking about a picture that was drawn, inked, colored and printed in about 2 weeks, and Keown probably has his own comics to draw.) I already saw an image of Captain America standing in the rubble with a flag, so why can't the Hulk be patriotic? The Thing and Superman are superhumanly strong and they smash things regularly, would it be bad taste to either of them raising a flag over the rubble?
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well if you have you know by now what a beaut that is.If you want a desktop version thats set at the correct ratio just use this link.It's the original just a little different. I added some elements to increase the size of the pic.when yo see the original you'll be able to tell the diff.
http://home.att.net/~justice41/heroes.jpg -
I like both Pictures. The Hulk one to me is a lovely analogy of America, we are the strongest one there is and this Terrorist attack did not hurt us (yes it killed innocent people BUT America was brought together because of it).
I did not look at the other pic as rascist and I am sorry there are some poeple who only look at the negatives in everything even things that people do out of the goodness of their heart for charity. -
I see alot of people asking this on alot of boards when concerning the use of Heroes in these comics about WTC attack.
I know where the heroes were, out helping the innocence of the city. I dont know of many heroes who are precognizant of any event happening (at least none of the big guns) they were as blind and surprised of the attack as we would have been. The heroes would have arrived after the attack occurred and tried to get people out of the building and clear the rubble. Marvel heroes are not like DC they are not all powerful and cannot "change the course of mighty rivers." -
Sep 29, 2001 11:16:48 PM CDT
I am SOO surprised you all were so consumed by your race war you
by gentle_fury
into the buildings!!! So, simple message! FUCK YOU BLUESTREAK YOU INSENSITIVE FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!!
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was that the heros were the ones RUNNING into the building (in other words the rescue workers). but don't feel bad about jumping to the wrong conclusion after not reading a post carefully. it happens...
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huh?
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