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MORIARTY Muddles His Way Through Thoughts On 9-11

Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

– Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review Of Pennsylvania.

Hard words, but important ones. Right now, nearly two weeks after the obscene attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington, we are already facing a crossroads in how we are going to define our national character in a time of unthinkable crisis.

For me, the morning of September 11th was actually the ass-end of the night of September 10th. Like most mornings, I was at the end of my work day, having just updated the site. I was surfing a bit, checking other sites to see if there was anything interesting brewing anywhere. The big news was still the Sunday night Lincoln Center presentation about LORD OF THE RINGS, and we put up a ton of Toronto reviews, as well. Harry was working on his DEVIL’S BACKBONE review and his coverage of the final night of QT5. I posted stories about the Vin Diesel/DAREDEVIL rumors, the casting of Sam Rockwell in CONFESSIONS OF A DANGEROUS MIND, X-MEN 2, Jeunet and TINTIN, Dean Cain/SUPERMAN rumors, tidbits about John Williams and Moby and EPISODE 2, and an AICN Comics column.

Seemed important then.

And as I’m surfing around, I happen to go past the CHUD Message Boards, and way down on a thread I’m reading, there’s a single post: “A single plane has struck the World Trade Center.”

That was all.

I clicked back over to the AICN Administration site, clicked onto one of our Talk Backs. There’s another message. “A plane just hit the World Trade Center. WTF?!”

I remember walking out to the front room of the Labs and turning on the television. 25, Fox News Channel. And there it is, the image that all of us have burned into the very marrow of our bones now.

One of the towers of the Trade Center, smoking, a huge hole in it, like it’s been shot in the heart. That plume of smoke made me flash immediately to an event that I actually watched happen live, the Challenger explosion. Something about the rising cloud, the shape of it, the simple wrongness of its being, it made me flash back, and I got a sick feeling all at once.

I sat down and watched for a minute, maybe a minute and a half, and I don’t remember what was said. I don’t remember what they were talking about. I was just so stunned by what I was seeing, so confused by it.

I walked back into my room, hopped on AOL IM, and asked Harry if he’d seen the images. “What images?” he asked. I told him a plane had hit the towers, told him there’d been some sort of terrible accident. As he turned on his television, I heard Henchman Mongo up and shuffling about the Labs.

“Hey, turn on your TV, man. Check out Fox News.” He mumbled something about how early it was, and I walked back out to the front room.

I watched the image for a few minutes, trying to imagine what could have led a plane so disastrously off course. It just didn’t seem possible. And when the second plane came rushing in to strike the second tower, I didn’t scream. I didn’t cry out at first because it simply didn’t process. It didn’t look like I expected it to look, and no matter how many times people say it did, it didn’t look like something out of a movie. I can’t think of a single movie image that’s ever conveyed so much sheer horror with such simple purity. Plane, building, everything’s different.

And it was. Like a light switch had been thrown, the world was suddenly different. I began to curse loudly, shocked, hoping that if just came up with the right magic combination of filth, time might roll back and I might unsee that second strike.

And from that point forward, the morning was like a horrible dream, a slow-motion sprint, as I talked with Harry and Mongo and John Robie and my girlfriend and Harry Lime and then more friends, and then I started trying to call the East coast, and I got through on one or two numbers, heard the voices of friends, moved quickly to another number. Then the circuits started jamming as more people were waking up and turning on their televisions, as more people started realizing just what was going on. And during every call, I sat in front of the set. I saw the first tower fall, and I found myself cursing again, the only defense I could mount to the intense obscenity of what I was already sure had happened. Someone had dropped the Towers on purpose. And the second one went down, and I just stopped. I just stopped making calls. I stopped taking calls. I stopped cursing. I stopped reacting. I just... stopped.

Mongo didn’t go to work. Harry Lime did. Lots of people did. Most of them turned around and went right back home. One friend, a cable guy on a no pay/disconnect route, refused to go shut people off. “They need their news today. They need their TV.” I considered leaving the house, but I didn’t want to move from the coverage. That long day stretched into a long first night. I spent much of the night on the phone with my girl. She’s not from the United States originally, and she sounded as if she couldn’t absorb what had happened, like this wasn’t allowed to happen in America. For most everyone I spoke to, there was some degree of this. My mother e-mailed me about my father, who was in New York on business, and I had several hours of incredible tension before finally learning that he was okay, that he had been diverted from the city, that he ended up, of all places, in the Ben & Jerry’s factory, where he spent the whole tour trying to call us and tell us he was okay. When I found out where he’d been, I actually laughed, and the sound shocked me. In the span of that one day, I hadn’t laughed once, something that literally never happens. And the sound felt wrong, sounded wrong, like it couldn’t possibly be time for that.

And that first night stretched into the next day, and I finally passed out for a few fitful hours of sleep. Under the best of circumstances, I’m a hopeless insomniac. Add something like this into the mix, and I found myself numb from exhaustion. Maybe that helped in some way. Maybe it insulated me. I knew people who spent the first few days hysterical, exposed and emotionally raw. I wasn’t immobilized by what happened. I was functional, and it was like something in me disconnected enough to let me go through the motions, do what I needed to. That Thursday afternoon, I had a pitch meeting scheduled on a writing job, and I found myself in Santa Monica, talking with the president of a company, explaining my thoughts on an upcoming sequel. And it was like part of me sat outside myself, watching Harry Lime and I, amazed by how focused we were, how we were able to discuss the characters and the previous films, not distracted at all. From that perspective, it was a good meeting. On the inside, though, one part of me was screaming at the top of my lungs, WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE!? PEOPLE ARE DEAD!! PEOPLE DIED, AND YOU’RE ACTING LIKE THIS MATTERS, LIKE ANY OF THIS WILL EVER MATTER AGAIN!! And in the car on the way home, I kept this face on, stayed focused enough to drive back to Hollywood, and then I drove to my girlfriend’s house, finally able to see her, finally able to find basic human comfort with someone close to me. And for the first time, I got real sleep. I got lost that night in dreams of what had happened, what had been lost. I dreamed I was on the observation deck of the second tower. I dreamed I rode the building down. I dreamed that I had forever to realize what was coming, and when I woke up, it was morning, and I was practically dripping, terrified.

Harry and I talked about what to do, about whether to push ahead, and how to handle things. He wrote his CITIZEN KANE review. John Robie wrote his brilliant PUMPKIN review. New Line released a new online documentary about Bree. Things were quiet, even as we started to hear questions and comments from readers and from inside the industry. Certain titles came up immediately. SPIDER-MAN. MEN IN BLACK 2. FIGHT CLUB. I still couldn’t find my voice, didn’t contribute more than a few words here or there. I didn't feel ready to even begin to have the conversation about what is or isn't sensitive, what would or wouldn't be offensive. Should we take the Trade Center out of films? Should we CG it in until we rebuild? Do we leave it but put an opening title card explaining? Does anyone really need this explained, and if they do, does anyone have an explanation good enough?

What finally got me ready to write again, though, was simple. I was offended. Not by an image I saw or a song I heard. Quite the opposite, in fact. Let me tell you what offends me. There's been a number of stories that got me vaguely worked up, but one particular piece scared me... made me really sit up and take notice. I read an article over on, the first place that reported the actions of Clear Channel, the largest radio network in the country, and they published the full list of 150 songs that were taken off the air for the 1,170 stations they own. When I read this list, I found myself getting angry, and for the first time since the shocking early morning of the 11th, I wasn’t mad at some vague, undefined enemy, some shadowy terrorist, but instead at someone here in America.

AC/DC, "Shot Down In Flames," "Shoot To Thrill," "Dirty Deeds," "Highway To Hell," "Safe In New York City," "TNT," "Hell's Bells"; Ad Libs, "The Boy From New York City"; Alice In Chains, "Rooster," "Sea Of Sorrow," "Down In A Hole," "Them Bone"; Alien Ant Farm, "Smooth Criminal"; Animals, "We Gotta Get Out Of This Place"; Louis Armstrong, "What A Wonderful World"; Bangles, "Walk Like An Egyptian"; Barenaked Ladies, "Falling For The First Time"; Fontella Bass, "Rescue Me"; Beastie Boys, "Sure Shot," "Sabotage"; Beatles, "A Day In The Life," "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds," "Ticket To Ride," "Obla Di, Obla Da"; Pat Benatar, "Hit Me with Your Best Shot," "Love Is A Battlefield"; Black Sabbath, "War Pigs," "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath," "Suicide Solution"; Blood, Sweat & Tears, "And When I Die"; Blue Oyster Cult, "Burnin' For You"; Boston, "Smokin"; Brooklyn Bridge, "Worst That Could Happen"; Arthur Brown, "Fire"; Jackson Browne, "Doctor My Eyes"; Bush, "Speed Kills"; Chi-Lites, "Have You Seen Her"; Dave Clark Five, "Bits And Pieces"; Petula Clark, "A Sign Of The Times"; the Clash, "Rock The Casbah"; Phil Collins, "In the Air Tonight"; Sam Cooke, "Wonder World"; Creedence Clearwater Revival, "Travelin' Band"; Cult, "Fire Woman"; Bobby Darin, "Mack The Knife"; Skeeter Davis, "End Of The World"; Neil Diamond, "America"; Dio, "Holy Diver"; Doors, "The End"; Drifters, "On Broadway"; Drowning Pool, "Bodies"; Bob Dylan, "Knockin' On Heaven's Door"; Everclear, "Santa Monica"; Shelly Fabares, "Johnny Angel"; Filter, "Hey Man, Nice Shot"; Foo Fighters, "Learn To Fly"; Fuel, "Bad Day"; Peter Gabriel, "When You're Falling"; Gap Band, "You Dropped A Bomb On Me"; Godsmack, "Bad Religion"; Norman Greenbaum, "Spirit In The Sky"; Green Day, "Brain Stew"; Guns N' Roses, "Knockin' On Heaven's Door"; Happenings, "See You In September"; Jimi Hendrix, "Hey Joe"; Herman's Hermits, "Wonder World"; Hollies, "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother"; Buddy Holly & the Crickets, "That'll Be The Day"; Jan & Dean, "Dead Man's Curve"; Billy Joel, "Only The Good Die Young"; Elton John, "Benny & The Jets," "Daniel," "Rocket Man"; Judas Priest, "Some Heads Are Gonna Roll"; Kansas, "Dust In The Wind"; Carole King, "I Feel The Earth Move"; Korn, "Falling Away From Me"; Lenny Kravitz, "Fly Away"; Led Zeppelin, "Stairway To Heaven"; John Lennon, "Imagine"; Jerry Lee Lewis, "Great Balls Of Fire"; Limp Bizkit, "Break Stuff"; Local H, "Bound For The Floor"; Los Bravos, "Black Is Black"; Lynyrd Skynyrd, "Tuesday's Gone"; Dave Matthews Band, "Crash Into Me"; Paul McCartney & Wings, "Live And Let Die"; Barry McGuire, "Eve Of Destruction"; Don McLean, "American Pie"; Steve Miller, "Jet Airliner"; Megadeth, "Dread And The Fugitive," "Sweating Bullets"; John Mellencamp, "Crumbling Down," "I'm On Fire"; Martha & the Vandellas, "Nowhere To Run," "Dancing In The Streets"; Metallica, "Seek And Destroy," "Harvester Or Sorrow," "Enter Sandman," "Fade To Black"; Alanis Morissette, "Ironic"; Mudvayne, "Death Blooms"; Rick Nelson, "Travelin' Man"; Nena, "99 Luft Balloons/99 Red Balloons"; Nine Inch Nails, "Head Like A Hole"; Oingo Boingo, "Dead Man's Party"; Paper Lace, "The Night Chicago Died"; John Parr, "St. Elmo's Fire"; Peter & Gordon, "I Go To Pieces," "A World Without Love"; Peter, Paul, & Mary, "Blowin' In The Wind," "Leavin' On A Jet Plane"; Tom Petty, "Free Fallin'"; Pink Floyd, "Run Like Hell," "Mother"; P.O.D., "Boom"; Elvis Presley, "(You're The) Devil In Disguise"; Pretenders, "My City Was Gone"; Queen, "Another One Bites The Dust," "Killer Queen"; Rage Against The Machine, all songs; Red Hot Chili Peppers, "Aeroplane," "Under The Bridge"; R.E.M., "It's The End Of The World As We Know It"; Rolling Stones, "Ruby Tuesday"; Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels, "Devil With The Blue Dress"; Saliva, "Click Click Boom"; Santana, "Evil Ways"; Savage Garden, "Crash And Burn"; Simon & Garfunkel, "Bridge Over Troubled Water"; Frank Sinatra, "New York, New York"; Slipknot, "Left Behind," "Wait And Bleed"; Smashing Pumpkins, "Bullet With Butterfly Wings"; Soundgarden, "Blow Up The Outside World," "Fell On Black Days," "Black Hole Sun"; Bruce Springsteen, "I'm On Fire," "Goin' Down," "War"; Edwin Starr, "War"; Steam, "Na Na Na Na Hey Hey"; Cat Stevens, "Peace Train," "Morning Has Broken"; Stone Temple Pilots, "Big Bang Baby," "Dead And Bloated"; Sugar Ray, "Fly"; Surfaris, "Wipeout"; System Of A Down, "Chop Suey!"; Talking Heads, "Burning Down the House"; James Taylor, "Fire And Rain"; Temple Of The Dog, "Say Hello To Heaven"; Third Eye Blind, "Jumper"; Three Degrees, "When Will I See You Again"; 3 Doors Down, "Duck and Run"; 311, "Down"; Tool, "Intolerance"; Tramps, "Disco Inferno"; U2, "Sunday Bloody Sunday"; Van Halen, "Jump," "Dancing In The Streets"; J. Frank Wilson, "Last Kiss"; Yager & Evans, "In The Year 2525"; Youngbloods, "Get Together"; and the Zombies, "She's Not There."

I’ve heard the arguments. “It’s not a ban. Nobody banned those songs.” One of our own Talk Backers posted a link to another site's in-depth breakdown of what's going on. Some reader named Matthew called me at home before 8:00 this morning, bristling, indignant, and practically ordered me to go check out Clear Channel's official site, and I did. But just because nobody's called this a ban doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with suddenly limiting a nation of adults from having their own reactions, from being in charge of their own grief. They say this isn't a ban. Tell that to the first disc jockey who gets shitcanned for playing John Lennon’s “Imagine” or Louis Armstrong’s “What A Wonderful World.” Tell that to the people who would gain strength or solace from “Day In The Life” or “Bridge Over Troubled Water” or “Peace Train” or “Fire and Rain.” Explain why it wouldn’t help to turn up “Sunday Bloody Sunday” full blast and rage along with Bono. Tell me this is okay on any level, and I’ll tell you this: freedom is the one thing we have that automatically makes us the winners of this whole thing. We are being attacked because we are a beacon of freedom. We are hated and feared because of the freedoms that make us so strong. Our freedom is one of our defining characteristics, and the moment we begin to voluntarily sacrifice that freedom... to anyone... no matter how misguided they are in thinking they’re helping... we are turning our backs on the very things that make us who we are.

A few things happened between me working up my righteous head of anger and me sitting down tonight, though. First, I talked to Harry, and we came up with an idea. Then, as we were working on our idea, I managed to tune in to tonight's DAILY SHOW, the first time Jon Stewart's been on the air since all this began. What he said moved me, and as much as I've been impressed by David Letterman and Conan O'Brien so far, it was Stewart who just became my single favorite speaker in all of late night. One of our Talk Backers was kind enough to transcribe part of what Stewart said, and I'd like to share it with you:

"'Subliminable' is not a punch line anymore. One day it will become that again. Lord willing, it'll become that again, because it means we've ridden out the storm. But the main reason that I wanted to speak tonight is not to tell you what the show's going to be, not to tell you about all the incredibly brave people that are here in New York and in Washington and around the country, but we've had an unendurable pain. And I just wanted to tell you why I grieve, but why I don't despair... (voice breaking, sobbing) I'm sorry... (long pause) Luckily we can edit this. (brief laughter from audience) One of my first memories is of Martin Luther King being shot. I was five. And if you wonder if this feeling will pass... when I was five and he was shot, here's what I remember about it: I was in a school in Trenton, and they shut the lights off, and we got to sit under our desks, and we thought that was really cool. And they gave us cottage cheese. (laughter from audience) Which was a cold lunch because there was rioting, but we didn't know that. We just thought, 'My God, we get to sit under our desks and eat cottage cheese.' (laughter from audience) And that's what I remember about it. And that was a tremendous test of this country's fabric. And this country's had many tests before that and after that. And the reason I don't despair is because this attack happened. It's not a dream. But the AFTERMATH of it... it's light, it's democracy. We've already won. They can't shut that down. They live in chaos, and chaos can't sustain itself. It never could. It's too easy, and it's too unsatisfying. The view from my apartment was the World Trade Center... (sniffs, long pause) and now it's gone. And they ATTACKED it. This SYMBOL of American ingenuity and strength and labor and imagination and commerce, and it is GONE. But you know what the view is now? The Statue of Liberty. The view from the south of Manhattan is now The Statue of Liberty. You can't beat that."

Goddamn right, Jon. And God bless you for saying so. And so it is that now, tonight, I find myself ready to get back to work. Harry and I are busy working on a special series of articles for next week in which we are going to get out of the way and instead of trying to tell Hollywood where they should be headed, we're going to put our fingers to the wind and let others do the talking. For the first time since this all began, I feel like there's something I can do. I feel like there's something positive I can be part of. One thing has become clear to us over the last few days as we've been working on this... the people who work in Hollywood are no different from you. If you've ever had some illusion about the men and women who create and star in and produce and package and sell the entertainment you watch and read and play and listen to, some illusion that they were above the fray, not part of the day to day real world that you and I inhabit, let me correct you of that misperception. They are human, and they are hurt, and they are confused, and they are angry, and they are going through everything you are. They have family that was affected by this. They lost loved ones. They are just as desperate as you are to find some way to make this all better, and just as sure as you are that there are no easy answers. And hopefully next week, we'll be able to show you exactly what it is we're talking about.

Until then...

"Moriarty" out.

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  • Sept. 21, 2001, 5:43 a.m. CST

    music is love

    by reni

    How the fuck can anyone ban Imagine at a time like this?

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 6 a.m. CST

    "Banned" songs

    by Kilowog

    Well, this is the first time I've posted, but I just want to tell you that you can read more about the "banned" songs at I'll let you make up your own mind about it.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 6:05 a.m. CST

    I LIVE in NY and I've heard most of those songs since the WTC di

    by sundown

    Those songs are banned initially in some places I guess for taste. Eventually people will forget and they'll come back in a month or so. We are too disorganized not to let them back.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Well, it's about time they banned "Disco Inferno."

    by Boy Howdy

    That, of course, was a joke. Nevertheless, thanks for the Daily News transcription. In a society where we are constantly seeking to be hyper-entertained, it's nice to actuially take a break and think about serious matters for a change. The most astonishing thing to me was the fact that before the third period of the Rangers game last night, the fans actually booed and demanded that the arena put the President's speech up on screen. The arena did, everyone watched, cheered, and applauded, and then the Rangers, out of respect, ended the game before the period with a 2-2 tie, shaking hands with the opponent, and every fan left satisfied and proud. If we still have it in us to turn away from the circus to hear what the Emperor has to say, then we are going to be fine in the end.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 6:35 a.m. CST


    by drew mcweeny

    "Imagine there's no heaven/It's easy if you try/No hell below us/Above us, only sky/Imagine all the people/Living for today/Imagine there's no countries/It isn't hard to do/Nothing to kill or die for/And no religion, too/Imagine all the people/Living life in peace/You/You may say I'm a dreamer/But I'm not the only one/I hope someday you'll join us/And the world will be as one/Imagine no possessions/I wonder if you can/No need for greed or hunger/A brotherhood of man/Imagine all the people/Sharing all the world/You/You may say I'm a dreamer/But I'm not the only one/I hope someday you'll join us/And the world will live as one" Dangerous stuff, indeed.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 6:48 a.m. CST


    by reni

    Exactly. Just imagine if he'd have lived.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 6:52 a.m. CST

    More than ever we have to be vigilant

    by Veidt

    ...In regards to a select few choosing for us what we watch and what we listen to. We have to guard against those "well-intentioned" guardians of our culture who would decide for us what is and isn't appropriate for us as individuals. Luckily in my area I have been able to hear many of these "banned" songs on the radio and they do help more than hurt. "A Day in the Life", "Fire and Rain", and countless other songs that address sadness, grief and loss and songs that address full out anger and rage - like "Seek and Destroy" by Metallica - are what I really want to hear now. Another problem that Moriarty didn't mention but I hope someone does here soon is a similar, equally insidious problem on networks like TNT in which films that were originally scheduled for showings have been yanked and replaced with light "innocuous" fare. Last night, Brian DePalma's The Untouchables was pulled from its scheduled showing. Now that film with its story of a band of dedicated, brave law men taking on a bastard criminal even at the express peril to themselves and those around them is the kind of movie that I think would inspire people right now and be so very pertinent to our current situation. We have to be careful at this crossroads in our history that as free-thinking adults we don't find ourselves "protected" against our own will from ideas, words, and images that a select few want to decide for all of us are "too insensitive" now to consider.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 6:57 a.m. CST

    We need more posts like Moriarty's.

    by rabid_republican

    ___I commend Moriarty for relaying a very heartfelt recap of what both he and indeed the country, was feeling that dark Tuesday. What's most striking about the post is its almost complete lack of politics, save the quote from Franklin and an injection regarding banned music. However, overall, this post, moreso than Harry or El Cosmico's, captures the mood of many in the fanboy nation.___________________________ The idea that for this period in time, there is an underlying truth that so much we fret and bicker about has proven trivial. And believe me folks, when I say that although I love a good rant on pop culture as the next man, but I found it comforting that everyone and I mean EVERYONE has taken the time to reflect on what is truly important to us.__________________ As to our current situation, might I, in true AICN fashion, offer Connie Neilsen's plea from the closing of "Gladiator": "Is Rome worth one good man's life? We believed it once. Make us believe it again. (looking over all of the centurions) He was a soldier of Rome! Honor him."_____________________________ America wants to believe again. And so we shall.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 7:08 a.m. CST


    by All Thumbs

    I just wanted to say thanks to Moriarty and the rest of the people who joined in AICN chat on Tuesday morning. For those of us who had already contacted what friends and family we could, our next thoughts were of those chatters in NYC and elsewhere, to see if they were ok or see if anyone needed any support. Someone ask while we were there why it was our instinct to go into chat, well...talking about issues and being a part of some kind of community helps when you're afraid and, if you were like me that day, you couldn't be with with your loved ones at home and away. My thoughts and prayers are with all those who have lost someone.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 7:24 a.m. CST

    point of view from this dj

    by Duty

    Dose is piss you off to here Christmas music before Thanksgiving? Of to here "Summer" songs in the winter?? We'll as a radio dj I can tell you that ALOT of people get realy pissed about those above and about songs thay feel are in poor taste. Right now I feel that manny of those songs are on that listare there because there titles are Iffy, But those "Banned" song with toutchy titles SHOULD be on the air now. Songs like "Fire & Rain", "Only The Good Die Young", Duck and Run", "Down", Ect. I feel that playing "Bodies" by Drowning Pool or "Ironic" by Alanis Morissette right now is in extreme poor taste, and swear that a radio station that plays those songs will have clients pull there ads, And listeners will call and bitch....And you wanna know the truth?? If you had'nt been informed of songs being removed from play lists, You would have NEVER noticed that station had stoped playing them. Trust Me. -Justin Duty ATTN: Rock Stations!! this would be a great time to bust out "Light Years" by Pearl Jam

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Rangers-Flyers game


    Actually the Flyers called off the game seeing that the game was in Philly. It was truly an amazing thing. Even the Flyers radio broadcast carried the speech.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 7:42 a.m. CST

    True Freedoms

    by JakeThePeg

    Think on this- If the attack on tuesday last is prventing certain songs from being played, films being shown or articles being written then it is being allowed more sucess with each passing day. The fact that this list includes songs that should be used as fitting memorials to the dead (Imagine, Stairway to heaven etc)only helps to draw attention to the idiocy of the gesture. In reply to the fact that we may not have noticed these songs being absent from any playlist does nothing to justify the censorship, if anything it only goes to promote the need for vigilance from sites such as this.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 7:46 a.m. CST

    So they banned all RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE songs?? Good. Fuck

    by Mr Bungle

    Notice something? There's one band on that "banned" list that has two little words after it -- "all songs". Think about that. RATM has had EVERY SINGLE ONE of their songs cut from Clear Channel playlists. And you know what? They fucking deserve it. Now, I'm not some pious, Republican RATM hater. I think Tom Morello is one of the most gifted guitarists to come out of the 90's. I have their debut CD, and the follow-up, "Evil Empire". I never bought the third CD, because we were in the age of Napster, and I ripped their asses off righteously. So, yeah, I'm a moderate Rage fan. This gives me a modest sense of clarity. An ability to call a spade a spade. And it is this clarity that allows me to be able to say that RATM is the most insidious, self-loathing bands in history. RATM hates this country, and all who participate in it's leadership. That's ELECTED leadership. RATM seem to forget that it's WE THE PEOPLE that elect the leaders, so why don't they make songs like "Fuck you Mr. Voter"? Simple. Mr. Voter would stop buying their CDs. So, instead De La Rocha and crew (when he was still in the band) take righteous riffs and beats, and malign them with anti-American propaganda full of half-truths and outright lies about Leonard Peltier and how the CIA dumped crack into South Central LA. And the kids with rich, fat parents and nothing constructive to do with their free time buy into it. RATM now has a soldier base. Which is exactly what they wanted to begin with. They present their music in such a way that the ignorant believe it educational. Other than Zach De la Rocha, nothing could be further from the truth. RATM knows the vast, untapped troves of malleable young brains out there. They pervert their influence. They foster a sense of self-loathing in young whites, while enabling young blacks to use an excuse of "racism" rather than use the god-given abilities that every race possesses to acheive. They encourage the gulf between parents and children to a degree that simple conversation becomes nigh impossible. I'm not naive. I know that these conditions existed well before there was a music band called "Rage Against the Machine". But to argue that RATM did nothing to exacerbate these deficiencies is ludicrous at best, and insane at worst. RATM shouldn't be censored. And this list is FAR from legitimate censorship. They should be exposed, mocked, laughed at, and ultimately forgotten. It's a fucking shame that it took 18 terrorists and four fucking airplanes to even NUDGE us in that direction. To close, here's a line from RATM's sermon "Voice of the Voiceless" -- "Through Steel walls/ Your voice blastin on/ True rebel, my brother Mumia/ I reflect upon/ You be tha spark/ That set the prairie fires on/ Make the masses a mastodon path/ To trample the fascists on/ At fifteen exposed Phillys finest killing machine/ Boots and mad guns/ They tried to pacify you young/ Cause and effect/ Smell tha smoke and tha breeze/ My panther, my brother/ We are at war until you're free/-- Folks, he's talking about Mumia Abu-Jamal. The man is a convicted cop killer. He killed the same people that so willingly GAVE UP their lives for others on 9/11. Keep that in your head.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Respect, or the Decay of Freedom?

    by castaway

    I really like to type interesting titles for my talkbacks, but considering the above question, i sure as anyone else in this entire universe cannot begin to answer it. The question i have asked pertains of course to what the entertainment has done in order to show respect to victims (living and dead) of the tragedy (and let me just get one thing straight before any of you begin to point fingers with jaws agape....MY FUCKING HEAD IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE...I UNDERSTAND TALKING ABOUT THIS IS LUDICROUSLY RIDICULOUS COMPARED TO ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT DIED IN THE HORRIFIC INCIDENT but i cannot help it MOVIES AND OTHER THINGS LIKE IT ARE A PART OF MY WORLD WHEN as one eloquent talkbacker put it REALITY BEGINS TO FEEL TOO MUCH LIKE REALITY [if that makes any sense to some people who may not see my point]. I got just as angered as Moriarty did that any one cadre of people would decide, like the boss at work you want to bash in the head with a shovel [but not necessarily kill], to put something up and, say something to the effect of "yeah, you may want to do this to be tactful towards others...yeah sure, i'd appreciate that." Even though they do mean to show respect to people, it just got way to out of hand. Still i believe that freedom is freedom here in america and should not be taken away, otherwise the terrorists have already won. I agree to temporarily postpone certain films with terrorist aspects but certainly not indefinitely.....I apologize for my bad grammar and if this talkback has really sounded like a big, fat, ugly rant (which i think it is, hence the pause) but i will say this, this is the first time i have really been able to identify with the writng on this website in a way. Kudos to Moriarty for writing ONE HELL of an article. sing up the praises true believer as this nation continues to mourn....

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Wow, Bungle...

    by MCVamp

    That was a hell of a rant. Even though I don't 100% agree(maybe 80% agree,) I hope that post stays up. Besides, anybody named "Mr. Bungle" is a person after my own heart. Funny that the Genesis song "Land of Confusion" wasn't on the list. Go check out the lyrics sometime and apply it to 9/11. Prophetic. (Yes folks, back in the 80's, Phil Collins hadn't yet sold his soul to Satan.) My question is: Which stations were still playing "The Night Chicago Died?" Anyway, in releveance to the post, it's great to see the Prof put his habit of incredibly long posts to good, constructive use. It's too bad that it takes a life-taking tragedy to bring out the best in us. Keep rambling, Mor!

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 8:07 a.m. CST


    by Terry_1978

    Even though artistic freedom may be jeopardized much more severly in the days to come due to this incident, there really aren't that many people objecting to the "censoring". I guess being attacked by terrorists in your own country has that effect on a population.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 8:09 a.m. CST


    by castaway

    i just read the above talkbacks, and all i have to say is i am very inspired by what has been said regarding freedom of speech and the disaster, i thought i was only one of a few and even thought i was a revolting person and that i was forgetting the people in the disaster in a certain way........thank you aint-it-cool-news....

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 8:17 a.m. CST


    by MusashiJones

    Moriarty, Dude, you are seriously screwed up if, out of all that has happened, you are upset about a company trying to be sensitive to the fiery and explosive deaths of 6000 innocent people. I have lost a lot of respect for you. You are a smart guy, you should be able to discern, easily, the difference between government mandated banning of songs and a corporate reaction to a disaster. How pissed off are you that they decided not to play MLB and NFL games for a short time? MusashiJones

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Hoax Dummy!

    by StealthHamster

    No offense to Moriarty, but fuckall you people should learn a little friggin skepticism. How long have you reading stories here? You should all be ashamed for being had so easily. It's a hoax, for chrisssakes! Moriarty, did you even bother checking with Clear Channel Communications Even Clear Channel says it doesn't exist: Not that I give a shit, the company syndicates those turds Limbaugh and Dr. Laura -- but c'mon people think before you act.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 8:47 a.m. CST

    No IRON GIANT today

    by Todd

    Terrible things! The nation as a unit has suffered a shocking lose, a lose that has been shocking in depth that seems to be felt universally. No matter how one felt before about life in America, those buildings, aircraft and people representing our society in a way, in which we ourselves are the members, taken away so suddenly and then the disorder that has followed has evoked in all Americans a re-established sense of solidarity. A solidarity that has united our country. No only on occasion for us within the nation, but also as a statement for the world, of our majesty and dignity as a modern civilized state. This is the first time (with the exception of the Shuttle blowing up) that I have ever been given a sense of being a member of this whole national community, engaged as a unit in the contemplation of this deeply significant event. Here is an occasion were it is difficult for anyone not to have felt his own life and character magnified though participation in the life and destiny of our nation. This is both the most horrible of times and in away sublime in the feelings of community that have connected in the fall out of this terrible event. In Aristotle's Poetics, he reminds of us of two classically recognized "tragic emotions" Pity and Terror. "Pity is the feeling that arrest the mind in the presence of whatsoever is grave and constant in the human sufferings and unites it with the human sufferer. Terror is the feeling that arrests the mind in the presence of whatsoever is grave and constant in the human sufferings and unties it with the secret cause". And the secret cause of all suffering is, of course, mortality itself, which is the prime precondition of all life and so is indeed, "grave and constant" It cannot be denied if life is to be affirmed. Yet, along with the affirmation of this precondition, there is pity for the human sufferer, who is actually a counterpart, in this context, to us. We feel with real pain the lose to our nation. We feel with anguish the lose of those people who died in the attack. Not because we were connected arm to arm in a physical way, but because we are connected mind to mind, soul to soul in a very real social way, which I think has caught many of us off guard to some degree.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Clear Channel: Not a hoax, but an advisory

    by Radagast T Brown

    PS: Clear Channel is a hoard of thugs on a lot of levels. Intrigued? I can pass on a good link. **** From the Rocky Mt. News ( Radio deems some songs too close for comfort, By MARK BROWN, Scripps Howard News Service -- Dozens of songs, from the Beatles and Frank Sinatra to Rage Against the Machine, have been pulled off some radio stations because of perceived connections to the attacks on the East Coast. While it

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Actually, MCVamp ...

    by Radagast T Brown

    I'd say the 1980s marks the EXACT point at which Phil Collins sold his soul. "Sussudio," anyone?

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Great speech...but...

    by XTheCrovvX

    Alas, the list is indeed a hoax. Thank goodness, though. Of course, you know somewhere out there, some radio station has their little list of songs that just wont get played for a while. And, in a couple of songs' cases, i understand them being MIA from the radio in this time...anybody hear Tool's Aenima on the radio in the last week or so? anybody?? about ANY Mudvayne? and of course, while i happen to like the song, the lasst thing New Yorkers really need to hear right now is a song about "letting the bodies hit the floor"....but aside from a scant few, i doubt there shouldnt be any big changes to the radio playlists...I've been hearing Metallica's One, Alice In Chains' Rooster, and RATM's Freedom since Tuesday last week....although..while I'm on it...the RATM know, i have my mixed feelings about these guys....musically, and ONLY musically, these guys rock the fuckin' planet. Tom Morello is one of the best guitarists the 90's ever produced. And it i my opinion these guys were the last great rap-metal band produced. A couple have potential (Disturbed, Linkin Park, Reveille), but none of them come close...Politically, they both have my deep respect, quick agreement, and fervent hatred of their fucking guts. Some of Zack's lyrics are, undeniably, intelligent and thoughtful. And, most of the time, that's the point. To get you to think for once. But some of their stuff takes the political standpoint that America's government is thoroughly evil. And the Mumia thing just happens to be the most public of these(um, the guy admittedly killed a cop. Whether or not it was just cause, Murder=Prison. Did i miss something here?). The police thing is a mixedd bag. The problem with their standpoint on police is that they generalize it to the point that all cops, the good, the bad, and the racist are lumped into the same bag, and while, having experienced and heard stories of the ever controversial racial profiling first hand, that simply isnt the case with them all. It's like calling all German people Nazis. Now, are these guys appropriate after last Tuesday? I of all their songs are nice angry ways to vent, politically, against the bastards who did this...and let's face it...if you're into rock music, everyone need a nice good "fuck you i wont do whatcha tell me" once in a while...but with that, you have the anti-American rhetoric. I suppose it's "listen at your own risk" for now. I need lunch, so i'll cut it here...if theres one bit from them that does apply to the events of the past week, its this one..."Hope lies in the smoldering rubble of empires"-RATM, "Calm Like a Bomb"

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Hey Mr. Enigma

    by mjbok1

    Thanks for fucking up the talkback with your exceptionally long Wooo!

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Muddles his way through?

    by SK909

    The only thing I wanted to comment on was the condescending title to this article. 'Moriarty muddles his way...' Muddles? Of all the things written on this site about what happened, this is the most concise and eloquently written. I would go into further detail concerning the situation, but I've already been banned once for disparaging, yet not unreasonable remarks posted about Harry.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Banned songs

    by mascan

    While some of these songs make NO SENSE AT ALL, others might just make people feel even worse than they alredy do. Others might have lyrics that are in bad taste at the moment. On that note, why isn't Billy Joel's "Miami 2017 (Seen the Lights Go Out On Broadway)" on the list? Any song that contains the line, "I saw the Empire State laid low", "I saw the ruins at my feet", and (worst of all) "I saw the mighty skyline fall" would be unbearable to hear at this point.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Fight Club

    by Fatal Discharge

    What I found offensive about this film was its fantasy that terrorist acts could be accomplished without loss of life (except for the one terrorist who is killed) - now we see the harsh reality. If the film had the truth of its so-called convictions that its defenders say it was criticizing those very acts, it would've shown the countless victims of these actions. I can see where towards the very end the Norton character has become trapped in a nightmare of his own doing but it's too little too late. It can't make up for practically the whole film supporting a stand of rebellion and anarchy which all the 13-year old fans latched onto as being "cool". I wonder how many will think it's still "cool" now?

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 11:43 a.m. CST

    re: fight club

    by Black Jesus

    well i'm not 13, i'm 21... and i still think it's cool... it's a movie, nothing more... and a damn good one at that

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Are we winning?

    by The_Black_Hair

  • There are two cds on this tape, one on each side. On side one is NewOrder's "Get Ready," put on there simply because they are my second favorite band of all time and it's my favorite album of 2001, and their first in eight years. On the other side is U2's "All That You Can't Leave Behind." I have to admit I'm biased (U2 is that one band I love more than NewOrder), but this album just seems to say everything I need to hear about the events of 9-11. "Beautiful Day" (which I'm surprised didn't make the list along with "What a Wonderful World") is, unknownst to many, a song about the day you lose everything, because that's the day you realize what's really important. "Stuck in a Moment" is a song about the need to move on and not let yourself be beaten down. "Walk On" is a fucking anthem. "Kite" is about facing an uncertain future, and how you can reassure your loved ones when you're still full of fear yourself. "Peace on Earth" and "When I Look at the World" don't need explanations. And "New York" (probably banned right alongside Sinatra's "New York, New York") now reads like a fuck you from a city that, despite the best efforts of a monstrous few, is still standing. But my favorite song on the album, one that is fast approaching my favorite song of all time, is the one I want to leave you with now: "Grace, she carries the world on her hips. / No champagne flute for her lips, / No twirls or skips between her fingertips. / She carries a pearl, in perfect condition, / What once was hurt, what once was friction, / What left a mark no longer stings, / Because Grace makes beauty out of ugly things... / Grace finds beauty in everything... / Grace finds goodness, in everything..." Mori, thank you for the best article I've ever read on this site. And to all the rest of you, or at least the 99.99% of you who aren't reverting to total yahoos, thank you for helping to bring this divided nation together and to remind this once jaded cynic what is so good about living here to begin with.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Are we winning?

    by The_Black_Hair

    It is certainly important that we continue to live as Americans are supposed to live. The freedoms that are guaranteed to us in the constitution are not true just because it is written... we have to keep it true. It's great that it is there, because it guards us against a sentiment from the majority that we don't really need them, which we have seen this week. This Clear Channel banning is certainly not the kind of thing we should like to see, but it is temporary and pretty insignificant. But John Ashcroft is now proposing that immigrants be deported on suspicion alone. Instead of rounding them up and locking em up, like the Japanese-Americans in WWII, are we gonna round em up and ship em out? Already Arabs and Muslims are being denied entry to airplanes on nothing more than name and appearance. A Pakistani man in Texas was asked to leave a plane and was forced to miss his brother's wedding in Karachi. Passengers are refusing to fly with anyone with a dark and foreign face. Bin Laden and these fanatics... they tend to believe that Americans are fanatics... they've been predicting a Holy War between America and Islam for years... THIS is why the attacks happened. And if the rights and liberty of Arabs and Muslims are denied in this country, the fanatics are winning. Anytime anyone associates these attacks with Islam, they are bending over and allowing Bin Laden to kick them right in the ass. Whenever reports of hate crimes reach the Middle East, Bin Laden laughs and says "See, like a rat grabbing cheese off a trap. I was right!" There are also plans to be able to tap the phone of anyone who talks to a person who has been deemed suspicious. So if you happen to talk to someone who happens to be suspicious because they don't look right, you are tapped! Ben Franklin may not have had planes flying at him when he said that, but he was right. These measures cannot completely prevent terrorism, and they will only make terrorists more careful and cunning. The F.B.I. has the resources to find these terrorists without denying people basic liberty and privacy.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 1:12 p.m. CST


    by cifra2

    why are these songs banned? I'll tell you. They don't want you to think for yourselves. That's why a pacifist song like Imagine is forbidden. And what is more: it is pathetic they banned "Walk like an Egyptian" or "Black is Black", for example.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Point taken Radagast...

    by MCVamp

    Perhaps he had written "Land of Confusion" before he inked the contract. Phil managed a small handful of decent songs before Beelzebub took his soul and hair away in exchange for a mountain of gold. Of course, a lot of those songs are guilty pleasures (like Easy Lover.) And for the record, "Fire and Rain" was included for two specific lines, I'll wager: "Sweet dreams and flying machines/In pieces on the ground."

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Jackie Chan was supposed to do a stunt on top of the WTC that mo

    by Cash Bailey

    Imagine that. Then Bin-Laden would have had Asia on his bitch ass.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Thank-you, Moriarty

    by Huneybee

    That was a wonderful piece of writing. I heard about this in the chat the other night and at first thought the guy was kidding. I thought he was making it up (we all "added" titles to the list) until he posted the website where the list was posted. I truly couldn't believe it! Even though it seems to be a "recommendation" by a private company and not government sponsored censorship, it is still very disturbing. Now, there are some songs I would hope the DJ's would have the sensitivity not to play for a while, especially in NY, but others are are so ridiculous it would be laughable if it weren't so damn ignorant. Music can be a tremendous healer of pain.____Why did this trigger something in Mori, causing him to break his relative silence by sharing his outrage and his pain with the community? Only he knows. Many of us will find ourselves reacting differently than we have in the past. Some things will not seem as important now that previously infuriated you or some things may barely spark an interest when before you were positively rabid at their mention. The opposite is true, too. We have all been personally affected by September 11th but we will recover. Not forget...recover. I think this list would have shown up on AICN regardless of the article's author and was pleased to see it accompanied by a thoughtful, insightful, articulate commentary.____Rabid Republican...That was very inspirational. You darn near made me cry! That is MY biggest change since the attacks. I've gone from a woman who rarely ever cries and is always smiling (generally even when I am "flamed") to someone who tears up at the sight of a flag. I almost had to pull to the side of the road on Monday when I passed a high school holding some type of service around the flagpole. I, too, shall recover but I shall never forget.____Bee

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 4:19 p.m. CST

    if you want to hear a song that bad

    by TestGiver

    go buy it. And if you are mad at Clear Channel, do not listen to their stations. They will find out: ClearChannel is one of a few megaconglomerates who own all the stations and play the same songs over and over and over. If they played any of the songs on those lists before, chances are they played it way too much for even a semi-regular listener. If they didn't play it, chances are they never would anyway.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 4:53 p.m. CST

    That'll do, Moriarty. That'll do.

    by darthflagg

    I agree with this article completely. I'm not an American, but I'd be just as outraged by this attack even if hundreds of Brits hadn't died too. When real life is at its worst, art and entertainment are among the few good things we have left. Let's not lose them. Finally, and I have to ask this if only for my on benefit, what did you think of Planet of the Apes?

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Damn right.

    by Lizzybeth

    This nagged at me when I read the latest Entertainment Weekly, which has some discussion on the future of entertainment post-911, but Moriarity's rant really sums up some of my feelings on the matter. I understand that the people making these decisions/"suggestions" probably mean well (or at least mean to not piss off their customers) but good god is this stupid. They took off "Imagine"? "America"? Fuck, even Bob Dylan? The first normal thing I did last week was go out and buy the new Dylan album, nobody represents the best and brightest of America more to me than him. U2's whole War album, *especially* "Sunday Bloody Sunday" is entirely appropriate. I finally understand what they were singing about all this time, and it's good to be reminded that other countries have gotten their share of tragedy and terror and still live to tell the tale. In the end, which songs are played on the radio is pretty insignificant, but what's not insignificant is that we don't get to choose for ourselves which art/entertainment is and is not proper. Sure, the people pulling songs off the radio and movies off the screens are not doing it out of malevolence, immediate reactions I'll assume are in respect to victims. But in many ways they're also doing it out of condecension. We're being coddled by the corporate boardrooms, because we can't take it. Away with nasty emotions and painful reminders! Well hell, if anything this last week has shown that we can't bury our heads in the sand anymore, and we shouldn't be treated like infants. I want to hear some angry music right now, just like some other people just want to see Arnold kick ass. It's cathartic, for one thing, and we need some of that. Freedom of expression should mean not only that artists can produce works of whatever subject matter, but that we the public can be trusted to choose which outlets will satisfy us. Protect me from bombs, yes thanks, but don't protect me from filmmakers and musicians. I can do that all by myself. End uninformed/misspelled/inane rant.

  • Sept. 21, 2001, 10:46 p.m. CST

    The Songs They SHOULD Ban!

    by jollydwarf

    Those would be any of the 'instant response' songs that are scrapped together to grieve but end up just leaving a painful ringing in your mind. Those would also be the regular songs, both of shitty/derivative or classic quality that some schmuck splices in Presidential quotes and news soundbites between verses. WHO DO THEY THINK ACTUALLY RESPONDS WEEL TO THAT SHIT? THE LAST THING I NEED TO HEAR ARE TASTLELESS "OHMIGOD!!"S AND "THE WORLD TRADE CENTER HAS BEEN ATTACKED..." IN BETWEEN THE 'GENIUS' THAT IS SCOTT STAPP. NOT. Fucking Creed is bad enough as is. But giving up civil liberties is one thing, but only those that can potentially compromise our security. As far as music and film go, the only measuring stick of censorship should not be lists made by clueless fucks, but rather straight-up common sense. Or let Beetlejuice and High-Pitch Eric draw names out of a hopper.

  • Sept. 22, 2001, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Message from London - you get used to it.

    by Peter Charles

    Yes eventually you get used to it. And it's not even Belfast - it's London. I have seen London constantly bombed by the IRA over the last 30 years. From huge bombs which devastatated the City (e.g the Bishopsgate bomb - 500 tons of just glass removed from streets!) to - months ago - when a kid picked up a torch packed with explosives, lost a hand and was blinded. Never heard of all these things? Hmmm... . So we asked the USA for help over the years. Send troops?! No - just stop Americans funding the IRA. However this proved to be politically inconvenient to various US administrations - so tough luck. Still - no Americans were being murdered and mutilated. No Americans were watching TV and wondering if the next image of a bombed building would be one where a family member worked - like I was. And now it's "War against Terrorism" because it's happened in the USA. Of course I agree Mr. Blair in his 100 per-cent support for Mr. Bush's stance - it's the right thing to do. We have always supported the USA - irrespective of the consequences. After US planes based in Britain were allowed to bomb Libya - Gadaffi send the IRA boatloads of explosives and arms. Fortunately one ship was intercepted by the Irish government and another by the French. Unfortunately the rest got through and is being used to this very day. I just wonder what the Americans were thinking when they found it "inconvenient" to stop US funding of terror in Britain. This may all sound a bit hard-hearted and insensitive after all the horror in Washington and New York - but, well I've just got used to it over the years. Here is a link to the Ealing bomb last month - just an average sort of bomb - but I live in Ealing.......

  • Sept. 22, 2001, 6:52 a.m. CST

    No reaction as ill conceived as a knee jerk one !

    by RobinP

    There's sensitivity...and there's hyper sensitivity. Stupid, ill thought out bans or heavy handed "play them and you're fired" advisories like this help nobody. The President has said that things are to get as normal as possible as quickly as possible. Banning "Rock the Casbah" or "It's a Wonderful World" is NOT the way. Why "Wonderful World" over "We have all the time in the world" anyway ? Each is as innocuous as the other !

  • Sept. 22, 2001, 9:12 a.m. CST

    RATM vs. other politically minded acts

    by Gustav Niemann

    I like Rage Against the Machine. But I'm inclined to agree with other talkbackers who say their schitck is one-note and repetitive. Because it is. I think there are a lot of bands (especially in the hardcore scene) which are political without being overtly preachy and are able to write about more than just their "beefs." Groups like The International Noise Conspiracy and Asian Dub Foundation have definite platforms but never let them become the end all and be all of their music. A mainstream band which has a better balance currently is System of a Down. While the group have been very outspoken about the Armenian Genocide, the Prison system etc., their songs cover a whole slew of topics, and often are just lighthearted fun, jump and down down stuff. And I think that is how it should be because that how life and people are (you can't be militant 24/7). Also, I think the less confrontation and holier than though you appear, the more likely it is people will actually listen to what you have to say rather than dismiss you as preachy extremists. But I also think RATM is so over the top because they're the only ones at their level of success being openly political in their music and may feel they have to over compensate. But maybe not. It will be interesting to see the direction the band goes in with Chris Cornell at the helm. After all, his lyrics have never been overtly political. Just overly depressing. ;)

  • Sept. 22, 2001, 9:34 a.m. CST

    "Fuck That, I Won't Post Whatcha Tell Me! Fuck That I Won't Pos

    by jollydwarf

    You know, I'd start a semi-joke band call Rage Against The Hypocrites, but a.) I don't care that much about RATM's issues of self-contradiction and rubbing shoulders with the likes of Carson Daly and b.) I think the reason they broke up is because Zach De La Rocha was always WAAAAY over the top with his political leanings. If these guys want a frontman who is going to stay overtly political, they fucking-a picked the wrong guy. However, if they want one of the overall best and most versatile singers in the last ten years who can haunt you and kick your scrawny, protesting ass, then they did very well for themselves. Chris Cornell is the antithesis of Zach. He can sing. Very, very well. To me, what was good about Rage was always the musical catharthis that it inspired. Go ahead, 99% of you, tell me that you cared about their political agenda on more than a "Gee, that really IS too bad. Ho-hum, back to reflexive headbanging" cursory level. I triple-dog dare you.

  • Sept. 22, 2001, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Anyone who bans Phil Collins from the airwaves can't be ALL bad.

    by Eel O'Brian

    Just kidding. That blows. They're just songs.

  • Sept. 22, 2001, 5:58 p.m. CST

    man, oh man...

    by kalibonejack

    Mori, those words, yours and Stewart's really touched me. I happened to be at a friend's house who had cable, the evening of the 10th, my birthday. Watching the Daily Show was a hoot, bashing that guy who's now seeming to lead us to war, interviewing whomever he interviewed. My point is, good lord, how terrible a thing that has been visited upon us. Your words were moving and did not call for horrible violence to be visited upon those who did this, as so many others, especially in the chat have asked for. The emotional manipulation of such things as the whole Congress singing together in an obviously rehearsed way, or the songs on the radio, interspersed with voice-overs from Bush and Guilani and others, just pushing and pushing those buttons that are so tender in Americans right now is near too much to take. I appreciate your restraint, and hope you don't get too much hate mail. A friend, who's Lebanese, and been here 16 years, told me he spent the 2 days after in his house, shaking and scared. This people, is not right. While in some respects I am all for the old 'Eye for and eye' thing, it only leaves a world full of blind people. So, let's not go that route, even in our hearts, if as it seems that the US Gov't will soon declare war on a people who, typically, make less then $100 US a year, and get over $100 Million a year in US foriegn aid in food and medicines. Think about that, less then $100 a year, poverty, religious repression, and illiteracy. This is the people it seems we (as a country) are about to destroy, in a conflict that will take years and cost many more thousands of lives. Okay, off the soap box now. Be seein' you. Grendy

  • Sept. 22, 2001, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Many replies

    by Deathass

    1. Jefferson said it slightly better I think: To sacrifice freedom for the sake of security is the road to tyranny. Still gotta love old Ben, though. 2. Great column from Moriarity, though I have some disagreement with the part about Clear Channel's "censorship." 3. This is easily the most mature discussion I've ever seen on AICN. Kudos to you all. 4. To the Londoner with the beef with our citizen's helping the terrorist in the IRA, valid point. But I'd remind you that it was our citizens, not our government. Unfortunately, the very freedom that allowed the terrorist to do what the did this week in New York, Washington & Pennsylvania, is the very same freedom that allows our citizens to funnel money to foreign orgs like the IRA. I know it doesn't help, but just want to make that point. 5. Clear Channel and the song list. A reminder, the first amendment says "Congress shall make no laws prohibiting the freedom of speech...". Congress shall not censor free speech. Private corporations that dessiminate content are free to censor their own content. Be it a church, a corporation, or a dad spanking his three year old for saying fuck. I wish there were more naked women on network TV, but they don't do it because it's bad for business and will offend a lot of people. This, however, doesn't prevent me from getting to see naked women in another forum. I'm in Atlanta and I watched the John Rocker fiasco. Many rednecks were screeming freedom of speech when he was disciplined by the Braves & MLB. No, MLB and the Braves are private companies and have the right to censor their employees, or at least have the right discipline those employees if that speech is a detriment to the business at hand. And some rednecks stopped going to Braves games which is their right. Freedom is the right to choose. Same with you guys. Flame Clear Channel if you want. But, better yet, change the channel. 6. Yes, I like to type. 7. One more note about the song list. A poster, who implied they were not from here, said he/she would not want to live in a country where the powers that be ban songs. Clear Channel, does not qualify as the powers that be. They are an independent company, a big one yes, but by no means a monopoly. The powers that be are not banning songs. See my note about the 1st amendment above. 8. We have to be very respectful of Arab Americans. Unfortunately, this was to be expected and also unfortunately, racial profiling in this case might have some short-term benefit. But, we are better than this. We HAVE TO remember the enemy is not Islam, but an INTEPRETATION of Islam by INDIVIDUALS who are EVIL. Individuals who are the minority. And don't get me started about the abuse that Sikhs have suffered. We are better than that America. 9. The RATM rants are dead on. But, boy they still rock. Just another reminder that people in entertainment are no smarter or necessarily any more insightful than you or I. Remember that when many of those rich, sheltered, self-worshipping entertainers start criticizing the U.S. for fighting this most important of fights. It will happen you know. 10. Finally, a note about killing the poor Afghans. Despite what some people think, the U.S. is not bloodthirsty. Note, we have not shot anybody in retaliation yet. And because Bush, Powell, and the military are not telling us any plans or tactics, we simply don't know what is going to happen. But, I will say this, the U.S. is very sensitive to killing citizens. Has been for most of the century (with the obvious exceptions of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and possibly some isolated incidents during Vietnam). We tried like hell to not kill Iraqi civilians. For the most part we were successful. The only times we failed were when our wonderful technology was occasionally not as wonderful as we would have liked. But mainly because Saddam forced citizens to move on to military bases that he knew would be military targets. Every POW that we captured was treated with respect. And these were the soldiers that were trying to kill out soldiers. So, we would treat civilians much better. My personal feeling is that we

  • Sept. 22, 2001, 10:30 p.m. CST

    To all the RATM BASHERS

    by Guerilla_Films

    just a couple of comments I see running around I'd like to comment on quickly. 1) for all of you who comment on the "irony" or "hypocricy" of signign to a major label and 'PREACHING', that just goes to show you've never done any worthwhile activism, and probably just take your citizenship for granted. If you have something worth saying and important to shine a light on, you want it heard by as many people as possible - as pure as possible. You don't want to preach to a bunch of elists like you and with the same haircut. Or maybe you do. 2) which leads me to say that talking about one subject all of the time is something that has been done by artists for hundreds of years, and is never - ever frowned upon unless it's about world conditions. 'LOVE', sex, violence...that's okay time and time again because it helps you escape...but Social Reality? that bores you. 3) if any of you have ever HEARD OR SEEN a Mumia Abu Jamal confession please let me know. but if you would like to look on the internet and see a confession earlier this year from a convict who has admitted to killing the cop MUMIA is in jail for - go ahead. It'll teach your Republican ways something. 4) one of the most fascist things on earth that you can do is say that because someone doesn't represent the things that you look for in a style - that they aren't doing it well. just because urban and young people can rap - and do it well - that doesn't take away anythign from them as "singers". And there is only ONE rock singer out right now who has actual vocal talents anyway...besides Michael Jackson. So unless these scrawny suburban kids think they can hang with Aretha or Dusty Springfield...y'all should shut up. Thanks for the time. Would be nice if this were read...

  • Sept. 25, 2001, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Rage against the Hypocrites

    by Ragged Robin

    RATM have GOT the phoniest bunch a bastards I've ever seen, even more so than Milli Vanilli, 'cause at least those guys were honest about their motivations("we did ot for the money"). RATM are nothing more than a bunch trendy rich ultra lefties who piss and moan about the evils of capitalism while rolling in money. I'd love to see where these pricks live. South Central? Shyeah. I'll bet you Zach De La Rocha locks the doors on his SUV whenever he drives through the 'hood on his way to the recording studio to sing about the evils of America and money. You know, it's always the people who've never had to live under communism who support it. Besides their incredibly hypocritical politics, all their damn music is the same song written over and over.