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Jackie Chan's NOSEBLEED is off due to W.T.C. Tragedy!
Hey folks, Harry here... for shame... I know that this plotline for NOSEBLEED is now inappropriate, but there is still something funny about Jackie Chan being a window washer on the World Trade Center... It's not the WTC makes it funny... It's me thinking of all the gags that Jackie Chan could make out of being a window washer on an impossibly high skyscraper, of course... with the images of those poor people leaping out of the WTC to escape fire and rubble... Well, really high up hijinks just aren't what they once were. Then add in the terrorist aspect, I can see why he decided to can this one in favor of another. Here ya go....
Jackie Chan's film "The Tuxedo" is safe but according to USA Today, "Nosebleed" could be off for good.
The Jackie Chan film, Nosebleed, would have featured the martial-arts star as a window washer at the Trade Center who learns of a terrorist plot to blow up the Statue of Liberty, will have to be completely reworked. "It might have been written that way, but that's not the way we're going to do it," Amanda Lundberg of MGM, which picked up the comedy from New Line, told USA Today. "It's too premature to talk about what it is going to be." Other terrorist themed films that might have to be abandoned include Sean Connery's next "Lockerbie" and "The Alchermist". Source : USA Today
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why should any movie focusing on terrorists be abandoned? were these types of movies not offensive BEFORE the attack? no, cause we only give a damn afterwards, and then we have a kneejerk reaction. while i don't mind the notion of pushing back release dates out of respect for the deceased, its ridiculous to say that now terrorist movies are no longer appropriate. my point isn't that they should necessarily be made. my point is the callous indifference towards terrorism that americans used to have (before the attack). hence, they loved to see ACTION HERO kick the a** of the TERRORIST. Only NOW are these things inappropriate? Plus, if handled in the correct manner, movies like these may prove somewhat beneficial some time down the road. i don't know.
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Well,this project I believe,was in the works after the 1st WTC bombing,so it was in poor taste to begin with. Even if people think it's ok for a film like this to go ahead,it should at least be a dramatic action film,not a horrible subject matter combined with Chan's slapstick.
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After the initial sorrow and terror have worn off, and we're in the middle of not only pulverizing our enemies, but rebuilding the WTC, there will be a slew of Rambo-esque action films where certain terrorists get the crap kicked out of them. Hell, even James Bond might get involved, now that there is a credible, visible threat to world security. But (rightfully so,) not for a few years. Hopefully, if these future films DO make "evil Arab-types" the scapegoats, as WWII films did to Germans and Japanese, as Cold War-era films did to the Russians, there will be a balance of POSITIVE Arab depictions, specifically loyal Arab-Americans and the friends that we actually DO have over in the Middle East who aren't fanatical psychopaths. We owe them that much, especially considering all of the stupid, stupid, hate that's being directed at AMERICANS who happen to be of Arab ancestry.
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hollywood could care less about the WTC all they care about is the bottom line. It's time to boycott any and all films that engage in revisionist history just to increase their box office. GOOD-BYE to SPIDERMAN, ZOOLANDER and ANY THING LIKE IT!!!! As a native of NEW YORK for thirty six years I am HIGHLY OFFENDED by such actions....FUCK YOU hOLLYWOOD after we deal with those terrorist fucks we will have to deal with you
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Given the events of last tuesday I am not surprised by some of the decisions that have been announced regarding films and tv. Here in the UK we have had TV showings of Rules of Engagement, Dropzone and Daylight cancelled. Swordfish has been pulled from the cinemas and a store I was in yesterday was removing Escape from New York and Towering Inferno videos & DVDs from the shelves. Sony are in an impossible position with Spiderman, with the buildings featured so prominently in the trailer (and beautifully) which ever course of action they take is bound to upset someone. I know I'm starting to ramble but my point is this, where do we stop. Do we revisit every film that features the New York skyline and remove the W T C for ever or delete every film with an explosion in a skyscraper. How about every film with a highjacked plane. All films that feature terrorism. Thats just hiding your head in the sand, it's a sad thing to say but terrorism exists and occurs in every country in the world. I've been raised in a country that has been the target of bomb attacks on a regular basis for as long as I can remember. Life goes on. We pick ourselves up, clear away the dust, show our respects and carry on. I don't wish to appear callous, I'm just a realist. America has just been taught the hardest lesson of it's life and my heart goes out to everyone who suffered loss. From what you've read above you may think I'm cold and heartless but I can assure you I've shed more than the odd tear this week. Now that I've got that off my mind the thing that occurred to me last night was this; WHAT IF ANYTHING ARE NEWLINE GOING TO DO ABOUT THE TITLE OF THE SECOND LORD OF THE RINGS FILM. THE TWO TOWERS. If it was due for release now they'd probably just call it Lord of the rings Episode 2. I suppose we'll just have to see. My thoughts are with you all. Bruce
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I agree regarding the reaction with Hollywood, but I'm sure everything will be back to normal after the made-for-TV movie will be made, just like the Challenger tradegy, and I'm not sure, but I thought there was a tv movie in the works for the Oklahoma City bombing. I refuse to let terrorist acts put fear into me, I'll be more cautious and have a stronger sence of what's around, but I'm still going to fly, travel, and celebrate the freedom that I have in which so many have perished. BTW, Lord of the Rings Episode Two: Attack of the Gnomes.
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In the UK, they cancelled broadcasts of Drop Zone, Daylight and showings of Swordfish? That's a public service.
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Sept. 15, 2001, 2:15 a.m. CST
Good. Hopefully this means he will get to SHANGHAI KNIGHTS quick
by Cash Bailey
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KNOWLES, YOU'RE A TOOL. ALL YOU IDIOTS WHO CARE LESS ABOUT ABOUT A CATASTROPHIC LOSS OF HUMAN LIFE THAN A PIECE OF SHIT BEN STILLER MOVIE OR WHETHER OR NOT YOU'LL HAVE LESS SCREEN TIME OF A GROWN MAN IN TIGHTS SWINGING FROM BUILDINGS OR JACKIE CHAN AS A WINDOW WASHER ARE PLAINLY AND SIMPLY A BUNCH OF COMPLETELY USELESS WASTES OF SPACE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO EXPLOITING YOU ALL IN THE FUTURE{ESPECIALLY YOU HARRY}. FUCK OFF. TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE SMART ENOUGH TO THINK WITH YOUR OWN MINDS AND PRIORITIZE{BUZZ MAVERIK, SLEAZY G, SUPERNINJA, VROOM SOCKO, VILLAGE IDIOT, CORMORANT, JON QUIXOTE, UNCAPIE, MORIARTY, RISKEBIZ, GEEKGRLL} I BID YOU ALL A FOND FAREWELL AND I THANK YOU FOR THE COMRADERIE AND FRIENDSHIP THAT YOU'VE GIVEN{EVENTHOUGH NONE OF US HAVE EVER MET FACE TO FACE}. I'VE FINALLY REALIZED WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN LIFE AND WASTING MY TIME ON SOME STUPID WEBSITE WITH A BUNCH OF SIMPLETONS JUST ISN'T ALL THAT IMPROTANT ANYMORE. CHEERS AND FAREWELL. - A.P., THE COMEDIAN
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There are a lot of emotional reactions to this weeks devastion. Everyone is in some kind of pain, and if you're not, you need to search deeper. We need places like this to come and think through our despair. We need to take time to think about our place in the world and to elevate our collect conscience. There are few movies that I care much about at this moment, but I still love movies and hope that someday I can enjoy them the same again, but right now I am in shock, as most of us are. There are going to be a lot of things changed as a result of this event. Things are different. We need to pause, reflect and rethink things. I could live a lifetime without a movie like "Swordfish" or "Collateral Damage", and I don't care how good or bad they might be. These movies are so forgetable and negative that ultimately no one will miss them. If Hollywood cancels every movie this year dealing with terrorism, because I can't think of one movie on the subject that has left a good impression on me. My point is, no matter how much we enjoy cartoon violence in stupid popcorn movies, we can live without it in a time of sadness. Hollywood doesn't need to cut down on sex and violence in movies, they just need to make more creative, more original movies that don't leave such an ugly impression on our culture. "Amelie" from Jeunet out of France seems more like what we should see more of. There is so much ignorance and hate all around us and even in our own country. Look no further than the comments made by Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson condemning homosexuals and implying that our sins made this disasster happen. We need to do better. Jackie Chan will keep making movies and they will be fun without this kind of subject matter. I think I am going to hug my wife, go outside and read a book. Take care.
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The Two Towers isn't coming out for over a year and it's the name of an old and very famous book. I wouldn't worry about it too much. And if all they change is the title, then consider us lucky. The themes of LOTR will be more relevant than ever now, the growth of shadow, etc because the story isn't the latest pablum the LOTR may ironically be the only movie currently in production to not seem trite after this, despite the danger of the fantasy kiddie stigma, because it wasn't made with the frame of mind America had a week ago, it was made to be timeless. It was written in part DURING a war. The violence if it's done like the book is all the kind that stings and has consequences. Frodo and Sam suffer horribly to get a terrible job done. Darkness covers the land. Seiges of the good fortress. For better or worse the cultural shift will actually help the movie find its audience. It's a WAR movie in the best sense and movies like that are needed at times like this and the WILL get made. By the way I just heard via the grapevine that the friend of a friend of a friend's cousin etc WAS the window washer on the 1st tower past the 100th floor. I hate to imagine what that guy went through. Hopefully it was quick but I fear not. Jackie Chan is a star by himself, the stories around him are ephemeral, he'll just make some other great movie instead I hope.
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A few weeks back, this guy was having a hissy fit about a bunch of suits "stealing" his idea for Austin Powers 3. Now he's chiding everyone here for leading such pathetic, immature lives. I'm glad this disaster has given you some perspective, man, but if it truly has, why the fuck are you still posting here? You'd be a shining example by going cold turkey and spending your time doing volunteer work for Amnesty International or something. As is, you're just being a self-righteous tool.
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all ay-rabs that are not us citizens of the us should be deported imidiatly if not sooner.the criminals have been living here too long as it is.this may seem harsh,but so was tuesday.and include jackie in the repatriation as well. i remain, jonnyaction
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This is a great book: <<<Hollywood Goes to War : How Politics, Profits, and Propaganda Shaped World War II Movies by Clayton R. Koppes, Gregory D. Black (Contributor)>>> It's about how Hollywood and the War Dept interacted during WWII. They sincerely tried to work together to make movies for the home front / war effort and had mixed results. Must reading to compare with the present (and at the moment, very unclear) situation with the media.
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Sept. 15, 2001, 7:54 a.m. CST
TELETEXT IN THE UK HAVE LAUNCHED AN ATTACK ON HARRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by BigMother
I've just been reading Big Screen, a channel 4 teletext service in the UK that reviws films, and they have a whole 6 pages devoted to slagging off harry!!!!!!! at the end they have written a letter to him accusing him of spending so long watching films and being plugged in to the net that he has "lost touch with reality" OK, calm down people. in some cases this page is right, but harry has a point too.....especially about the spiderman stuff. Lets no fight over something like this when there are more important things to think about. to read the full thing, go to teletext page 412 on channel 4.
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Hollywood makes what sells, and right now their thinking is that these films would not. There was no real film about Pearl Harbor until the late 60's and there were many people critical of "Tora, Tora, Tora" then. T3 also took years to break even. "The Longest Day" did OK, but "Is Paris Burning" took some time to get into the black. Both of these films were released about 17 years after the end of WWII. Anyone who wants to see an Arnold/action film will do so because of Arnold. I know the WTC is gone and I know the people who did it are going to get theirs in a big, big way. I don't know much about the plot to his latest film, but I would pay money to see Arnold wade into the bad guys and get in the first punch.
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Did this teletext "slagging off" include the other entertainment sites, too? If they did not, it sounds rather hypocritical. All the other entertainment websites have returned to their previous formats with only a day or two of "we're so sorry this happened" while Harry has continued to provide the service of tb's where people can discuss their views. Harry has shared with us his opinions and I wonder if the fact that he has publically done so is the reason he is being "attacked" by them. I am not in the UK so this channel four is unavailable to me to see for myself, but you have certainly not explained exactly WHY they have their panties in a knot over Harry and AICN.____Bee
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I know that you said the teletext claimed Harry has "lost touch with reality" due to his time watching movies and running a website...but that just doesn't fly as a logical reason. Plenty of people put in 12-16 hour days (or more) working and going to school. Have those people also "lost touch with reality"? I am just mighty darn curious as to why Harry has been singled out for this attention.____Bee
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Regardless of my opinion about the digital removal of the two towers from Spider-Man and Zoolander (which is so mixed and uncertain that I
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Sept. 15, 2001, 10:50 a.m. CST
They might as well never film another goddamned movie in NYC eve
by magic_ninja
cause i know everytime I see a picture or image of new york i'm gonna think of the towers. but i really don't see what good it will do to take the WTC out of all these movies. Is hollywood going to take EVERY SINGLE IMAGE of the WTC out of every movie out there on video? How about the news crews stop showing the towers going down? Why is it okay to show them in REAL LIFE being destroyed, but it might be in bad taste to have them pictured in a movie? and please, someone stop MTV's broadcasts before they turn this tragedy into a racism issue.
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Harry is not by any means perfect and at times can get on my nerves but the bottom line is it
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MTV should not be fueling the violence. Haven
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I thought some of might like to read this... it is a song that Bob Dylan wrote called The Times They Are A-Changin' that if you can find a copy of then I highly recommend you hearing it. It
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.........and i agree with u guys. Harry has done a sound job, and hasn't been afraid to put out his own opinions, afterall, this is what the site is for. It's a shame that we feel forced to feel sorry for the americans. We've seen the devastation - and we feel terrible enough without teletext ranting @ harry. This feature also featured comments from some talk backers who disagreed with harry aswell, and then slated him for his lack of consideration. Whatever.
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I would also recommend
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Yeah I know what you mean to some degree. Their was an interesting debate on the Spider-man towers talkback just before it got pushed out of here that you might find interesting. But like I said in one of my post on that site that some of my statements were exaggerated. Anyway check it out if you
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<A HREF="http://www.cafepress.com/esoterink">Fuck terrorism.</A>
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Whilst I do not condone causing intentional offence or adding to an already difficult time. I would need to ask that all those ready to ban every film that addresses potentialy contentious issues, when will books also be banned or censored ( Black Market or Black Sunday anyone). More importantly what about the bible, it obviously cause significant distress and provokes very strong feelings
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I just read it myself, and it amounts to a six-page attack on Harry, backed up with selective quotes from the talkback. Harry and AICN are indeed singled out for criticism, with no mention of other sites at all. It is very one-sided, with no reference made to those who agreed with Harry, or to the fact that AICN is giving a voice to those who need to share their feelings and experiences. I personally believe that Harry was wrong in what he said, and posted to that effect on the talkback in question, but the fact remains that he is as entitled to his opinion as anyone else. Certainly there are many people whose comments are far more deserving of criticism than Harry. Still, the thing that most annoys me is the seeming hypocrisy. Channel 4 often seems to pride itself on being deliberately offensive, and for anyone working for them to try to claim any kind of moral high ground... Well. I had to laugh.
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On the offchance you are reading this, I want you to know that I at least will be sad to see you go. You are right of course that there are more IMPORTANT things to do than visit AICN, but no-one can spend ALL of their time doing important things. It is not possible. I hope you return to us soon.
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I am getting the feeling that Channel 4 is the television version of the National Enquirer or Star. There will always be people who believe tripe such as that and I have a mental image of the stereotyped NE reader, only British. I see a large middle-age woman in housedress and curlers, but sipping a cup of Earl Grey instead of Folgers. I was wondering if they had presented both sides but apparently they did not feel an equal representation of the facts was necessary in their reporting. Well, so be it.____Comedian, If you do return to read this, I just want you to know that I, too, hope you return. Most of us are not in the thick of things but even those who are need to take a break in order to recharge. If this makes you re-evaluate your priorities and change the direction of your life...then maybe it's what is best for you. I have read your posts and they positively oozed pain. I feel for you and hope that you learn to cope with what you are undergoing. I've fought back tears many, many times the past few days as I heard the pleas of people searching for information on their missing family members and know, from experience, that it is much worse to actually have to face people in situations such as this. Take care.____Bee
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Ch4 is great. They fund movies (eg Trainspotting, 4 weddings) and have some very cool TV. They are VERY independant, and take risks with things like the gay TV series Queer as Folk, deemed too risque for US TV (but not Canadian). This story was on Channel 4's Teletext, which is a service accessible to most UK TV sets carried by every channel, sort of like a very basic internet (a few hundred indexed pages of ASCII text of weather, news, TV listings etc). The Ch4 version has always seemed weird to me (anyone played Bamboozle? there) and the movie pages seem to be written by a single person not affiliated with the TV station (altho any program does not represent the views of the station, yadda yadda). It's more like a magazone or website than a TV programme.****Seems like the Comedian is another victim of the "war". I mean that literally, he posted previously from the front line (volunteering in a NY hospital) and he sounds permanently damaged. Sorry to see you go man
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Hold on...why are they getting rid of all the movies about terrorists? I can kind of understand the issue on deleting the towers, but deleting terrorists? Um...sorry to tell you folks, but they still exist. And people enjoy the "action packed" plotlines. (I actually hate those kinds of movies, anyway.) These movies aren't gonna be out for quite a while anyway, right? I don't think anybody's gonna be offended at the sight of terrorists. If anything, I think people would like the movies more. I mean, the terrorists always get defeated in the end, correct? So wouldn't it be nice for people to see the terrorists in the movie getting their comeuppance, even if it's in a fantasy world? Just my thoughts....
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Um, one question for all you people telling Harry to fuck off and calling us all insensitive jerks...Why are you even on this site if you hate us so much? Why waste your precious time yelling at us?
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Channel 4 are more what I would call the 'Righteous Left'. As wilko185 says, they are very independent in some ways, but they are slavishly politically correct. They are always prepared to pour scorn and ridicule on the views of those who disagree with them, whilst holding that their own values are holy writ. Only my opinion, of course, and I am sure wilko185 would disagree. I am a believer in rational debate rather than name calling (as I hope my posts will attest) and I find such attitudes distasteful. They DO have the best and most comprehensive news reports on English television, but I have never found them particularly useful for anything else. Film 4 - their film making branch - is a subsidiary company, and has been involved in a number of popular and successful films. As a general rule, if a film is successful and British you will find the Film 4 logo on it somewhere.
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a few tb'ers I have "met". hehe____Bee
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Comedian was an interesting chap. He often made good points that had a salty after taste of hypocrisy that he seem to have redeemed with his absence. I know that last statement might strongly suggest I was ageist the fellow but I was not. I did not like his methods of getting his message across (or most of those who quarreled with him for that matter) but I under stood he was, like I
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Heh, I think I just broke my record for most posts on a talkback. Peace.
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You'll have to sleep sometime, Neo. I was wondering if you had read that post. It's okay, Zerocorpse is the undisputed leader for tb'er with his name in the most headlines... That man seems to inflame people by simply waving his hand towards a keyboard. It's alright though...just go to sleep, young man.____Queen Bee
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I do disagree. Ch4 "politically correct"? This is the Channel that gave us Brass Eye remember (satirical "comedy" with episodes on eg. drug abuse, paedophilia. The time they fooled celebs into filming appeals on behalf of a zoo elephant with its trunk stuck up its ass was classic). However, they do lack the "moral authority" (for want of a better phrase) of the BBC. Certainly their documentaries never seemed to present a balanced view. I am no longer resident in the UK, but Ch4 will always hold a place in my heart for their comedy output (Vic Reeves, Father Ted, Who's Line is it...
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Neosamurai... Comedian has always been an idealist who believes passionately in people and dreams of a better world. His posts have always owed more to passion and belief than cold logic, but his heart has always been in the right place. Sometimes I have agreed with him on these boards, sometimes not, but always he has enlivened and enriched any debate in which he took part. For all these reasons, I will miss him. As one last point, forgiveness is never needed for caring as much about people as Comedian does. That is a thing to be proud of. *** Wilko: Brass Eye comes under the 'deliberately offensive' heading I mentioned earlier. Their documentaries, which you mention, are amongst the worst examples of rabid political correctness I have ever seen. Anyone looking for truth in their documentaries will never find it on Channel 4.
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I think I ether did not say it clearly or you have misunderstood my statement about forgiveness. When I said that there are some things I can
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I did indeed misunderstand your post. A thing which has happened to me in the past, so I know how frustrating that can be. Sorry.
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I've done it to. Peace
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We are all upset in our own way and sometimes we react hastily or with great emotional outpouring. We all do this from time to time. There are a lot of posts and things on this site that make me shake my head and upset me from time to time, but we all make up something that is valid and worthwhile. I think that this site is here for us to contemplate something we all love. Movies. A lot of us, myself included, spend more time involved in celebrating our escape entertainment than we do the world around us. This week the world around us came crashing down and made us all rethink things and grow up a little.
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Sept. 16, 2001, 7 p.m. CST
I agree with Catbarf about LOTR . Also, it is a war movie that i
by AntoniusBloc
I agree that Lord of the Rings will be an inspirational film, especially during a time of war. Lord of the Rings is a fantasy , but it's themes and ideals are very real. When Frodo and Sam decide to leave the comforts of the Shire to do what they can to fight evil, they realize that they won't be safe from evil for long, and if they do not act, it will inevitably reach their peaceful land. The bravery and self sacrifice shown by the characters like Frodo, Sam, and Gandalf are more real than most can show in the normal routine of average,everyday life. But in the face of this type of this evil act committed by these evil terrorists, many are showing that same type of bravery and self sacrifice. Soon, the soldiers in our military will be the ones with the opportunity to achieve these ideals, and truly defend Good against a real Evil. Let's hope the movies are as effective as the books in showing how out of great Evil and despair, and even death, comes a greater love, courage, and bravery, to show how suffering can be a blessing while the joy of victory over the evil that causes the suffering can be simultaneously full of sorrow. In the end, when hope triumphs over despair, Good will truimph over Evil.
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