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10,000TH STORY!! AICN World Exclusive!! MORIARTY Reviews KING CONAN, CROWN OF IRON Draft By John Milius!!

Published at: Aug. 27, 2001, 4:49 a.m. CST

Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.

This marks the ten thousandth time since Harry started AICN out of the back bedroom of Geek Headquarters that we have asked you to give us your attention, your trust, and your time. It’s been a long strange trip so far from our end, and I personally feel like I’m still just getting the hang of things. Over the course of every story I’ve contributed, one thing has always been true: I’ve enjoyed the hell out of this, and I can’t see that changing any time soon. I love this dialogue with all of you, this ongoing daily excuse to immerse myself in films and television and books and comics and all the other objets d’art that fall under scrutiny here at the site.

This past week, Harry and I both had chances to read scripts that have been the subject of intense geek curiosity. Harry is still buried under the intense bombardment of QT5, though, and is a greedy bastich besides, willing to keep all his goodies for himself. Not me, folks. Nope. I’m on your side. Remember that when the revolution comes. Ahem. Remember who decided to share the wealth a little bit, if you know what I mean. I decided to mark this occasion, this milestone of ours, by bringing you something special, something worthy.

Something like your first look at the May 21, 2001 draft of KING CONAN, CROWN OF IRON, written by John Milius, 146 pages of Robert E. Howard-inspired carnage and treachery.

Sound good? Keep reading.

We got our first report on this title back in March of this year, and our first report about the development itself in July of last year. I remember being giddy as I typed the title out for the first time. KING CONAN, CROWN OF IRON. Just the idea that John Milius might finally make a proper sequel to his stupendous 1982 film CONAN THE BARBARIAN pleased me enormously.

Yes, yes, I know there already was a sequel. Hell, there’s a guy right now who is working to organize a petition to get CONAN THE DESTROYER released on DVD as a longer R-rated cut, complete with love scenes between Sarah (SUPERMAN II) Douglas and Arnold. You can sign his petition here!! I’m not a fan of that film, though, and when I think of CONAN, I think of two things... the original Robert E. Howard stories, and the film by John Milius.

Last July 4th, I wrote a comparison of Oliver Stone’s CONAN draft and Milius’ original movie. It was a chance to express how much I love that film, and even though I’ve seen it dozens of times since its release, it turns out I made some glaring errors in regards to plot and the film's two swords. Funny... even when you adore a film, who’s to say you’re right about everything in it? That was one of those cases where I genuinely learned from the Talk Backers, and it was obvious from the passionate responses that were posted that there’s a lot of people who feel about that film the same way I do, who love it dearly. When the special edition DVD for CONAN THE BARBARIAN was released, Milius and Arnold talk about KING CONAN and their original plans for a trilogy during the commentary track. This set off all sorts of speculation, and tracing the development of the film has become a personal mission of mine. I’ve been parched for tidbits about it, and then, all of a sudden, someone drops this script in my lap.

I’ve read it four or five times now, and each time, I put on the Basil Poledouris score for the original film and turn it up, letting the music curl around me like a blanket. Right away, just looking at the cover of the script, it’s obvious that Milius is the right man for the job, thrilled to be back and working with this character. There’s Xeroxed pages of Frank Frazetta artwork interspersed throughout the script, setting the tone perfectly, pointing at the world Milius is trying to recreate for us. If there’s any doubt about whether this is a sequel to the first film or not, the voice-over by THE WIZARD should dispel that right away. Mako’s character did the voice-over at the beginning and the end of the original movie, with his memorable, “Let me tell you of the days of hiiiiiigh adventure!” Using him again is enough to clue fans in from that opening frame that they’re in for another visit to that world, to that vision of Howard’s work.

WIZARD

”Sit on the ground with me. Let the fire warm you and I will sing of greed, deceit, lust, and power. Ha! But that is not all. I sing of loyalty, honor, and love. Yes, love, for that is what makes men foolish or great. You may choose.”

The film’s opening finds CONAN older, disheveled and bearded, alone in “A Northern Land of the Picts.” He huddles by a fire during the night, trying to stay alive in a snowy land. By day, he moves through a strange forest where he ends up chasing the mysterious alluring figure of a woman enshrouded in mist. When he finally catches up to her, he is hypnotized by this woman wrapped only in gauze, this Daughter of the Snows. She touches his face, burning him with frost where her fingers passed. “Some say I am the Frost Giant’s daughter,” she says. “You are one I could love. But first, you must fight my brothers.” And just like that, we’re into it.

Conan dispatches these two giants in a vicious flurry of moves, then lays with the girl, taking his reward. Afterwards, she orders him to leave her land before the Ice Worm finds him. Conan says he will fight the Ice Worm, but she won’t have it. She says she has given Conan her love, and now she wants him to repay her. “Bring me the jewels of an Empire. Bring these and I will give you your son.”

He heads west to the sea, where he becomes a pirate, pillaging and raping his way to the Eastern border of civilization, where he and his men join a massive gathering of barbarians to meet GAIUS METALLUS, the Aquilonian Tribune, a cultured warrior in golden armor. He speaks on behalf of Emperor Tisus, offering the barbarians gold, glory, and citizenship if they will fight for the Aquilonian army. Conan is the first to volunteer, and Metallus becomes a mentor to him, training the barbarians to work not as individuals in a fight, but as part of a massive chain, unbreakable and strong as long as it is united. They go into battle and are indeed indefeatable. Conan rises quickly, a hero, a perfect soldier, and when Metallus returns to Aquilonia, his own rank increased now as a result of his success with the Legion, he leaves Conan in charge.

Conan wins even more victories as general of the Legion, and when he and Metallus meet again in a battle, they win a great, bloody victory. Conan is rewarded with jewels and riches to spare, and Metallus notices how Conan puts most of it away, as he always does. He asks why, and Conan explains about his son, his desire to go get him. Metallus gives him leave to go back to that Pict wasteland, to get what’s his. When he finds the Daughter of the Frost and gives her all the jewels he has, she is impressed, but she wants something that has meaning for Conan. She asks for the Eye of the Serpent, the stone he wears around his own neck. Fans of the first film will remember the gem, and they’ll know the significance of his still having it. Even this is worth nothing compared to his own flesh and blood, though, and Conan gives it to her. As Conan goes to walk away with the boy, the woman reveals something to him: ”The boy is not yours. He will never be. You may take him, but that is the Ice Worm’s seed that grew in me. You only served him that night as I wished. He is the son of the Ice Worm.”

Conan doesn’t listen, though. He takes the boy and returns to the Zingaran Legion. Kon, as he is named, spends his childhood running with the Legion, learning about life in the face of death. Battlefields are his playgrounds, and by the time he is seven, he is already a strong, somber child. He and Conan visit Tarantia, the capital of the world, a giant city, beautiful, the cradle of civilization. Sitting on a hill, looking down at this marvel of man’s hand, Conan and his son talk, and I couldn’t help but recall that great moment at the beginning of CONAN THE BARBARIAN, when a young Conan listens to his own father talk about Crom and the riddle of steel.

CONAN

They say the gods live here.

KON

I thought they lived in the mountains?

CONAN

Our god does. He sits on a cliff in the cold and watches.

KON

Can he see us here?

CONAN

Even here where the wind is warm and the smells of food and spice, where men wear silk and brocade and women wear little or nothing. Yes, he watches us in places like this.

He turns to Kron, kneels down.

CONAN

Remember how I showed you my father’s sword?

KON

Yes.

CONAN

It was not my father’s. I broke my father’s sword with mine. He told me to trust steel, not men, women, animals. I trust nothing but my will and instinct. Trust no one, Boy... not any of this.

He gestures.

CONAN

If gods live here, they are treacherous and dark. Trust no one but the wind and the cold night sky. Make them your friends and you won’t need this. You won’t need me.

KON

I’ll always need you, father.

Tears fill his eyes.

CONAN

No... someday you must break my sword. Now let us go and eat their beeves and pigs and watch their women dance for us.

That exchange not only ties us into the first film, it also expands upon it. Conan trusted steel in the first film, and it cost him. By the time he learned to trust Valeria, she was gone. The only way he learned to trust his friends was by dying and having them fight to drag him back to life. The Conan in this movie has gone through those dark moments, and he has survived, and this worldview of his is informed by those things. When Metallus informs Conan that the Emperor has chosen to make him the King of Zingara, it makes sense. This Conan is ready to be a leader of men. He is ready to leave behind the blood of battle for the comforts of a crown. He doesn’t realize that there is a price attached until he goes to leave the city. Metallus informs Conan that Kon will stay behind and be raised at the Academy of War with the finest sons of Aquilonia. Conan’s last glimpse of his son is as he rides out the front gates of the city. Kon is held at the wall, tears streaming down his cheeks, by an Aquilonian officer. Conan only has time to lock eyes with his son for a moment before they ride past, then on to Messantia.

Life is hard for both father and son as they grown into these new roles fate has cast for them. Kon finds himself being schooled alongside Fortunas, the Emperor’s son, and there’s immediate animosity between the two. Fortunas has to grown into the role of a natural leader; Kon was born to it. The only way Fortunas can handle Kon’s presence is to break him, to constantly make him look bad. For Conan, ruling a land is not what he expected, and it is only by listening to those close to him, like the warrior Michaes, that he is able to bring some sense of order and even peace to Messantia. Conan and Kon write letters to each other, but the mail gets shut down somewhere in the middle, and Kon grows up thinking that his father has forgotten him, his heart growing harder with each year that slips by without word.

And keep in mind... all of this is before page 33 of the script.

That’s where Milius reintroduces The Wizard, brought along during a negotiation between Conan and another King. Conan asks for the Wizard as part of the bargain, and is reunited with his old friend, his loyal servant. He needs someone he can trust as the Emperor uses Conan like a chess piece, manipulating him from a distance, allowing him to serve in name only. All glory is the Emperor’s; all failure is Conan’s. Kon reaches manhood and joins the Imperial Cavalry, and in his mind, Metallus has become his father, his protector. If he spares any thought to Conan now, it is of betrayal long buried. Conan, feeling disconnected from his people, has The Wizard disguise him so he can walk among them at night.

Slowly, KING CONAN, CROWN OF IRON draws all these story threads together, using that first half-hour to lay the groundwork that allows the rest of this story to play out so well. This is about Conan learning to negotiate a different kind of battle, more subtle, more dangerous. This is the kind of battle where you cannot see your enemy’s face, where you are never sure who your friend is, and who truly stands at your back, ready to help. When Fortunas takes the throne after the death of his father, the script really picks up. A beautiful woman, Countess Zulieka, is sent to serve as Aquilonian Magistrate in Conan’s court, and to keep an eye on him both by day and by night. Metallus professes to be Conan’s friend, helping him rise in rank, even as he insinuates himself with Conan’s son, making sure to keep them from having any contact. Fortunas forces Metallus into a position where he must prove his loyalty to either the Emperor or Conan, and Fortunas also brings Kon close to him, even though he may be harboring an old grudge, preparing to strike.

Milius makes many references to his original film, and one subplot in particular ties the films together, with Conan still pining for Valeria, his fallen lover and fellow fighter. On one of his nightly excursions, he spies Aeldra, a woman who owns a local tavern. Her husband is dead, and she is alone in the world. She also happens to be the spitting image of Valeria, twenty years older, but still strong and beautiful. He is immediately drawn to her, tortured by the idea that this is a second chance for him to have something he lost long ago.

There’s enough story here for three films, and it’s all solid stuff. I love certain sequences, particularly an attempted assassination of Conan that turns into a bloody battle sequence that rages for ten pages. I love the world that Milius is writing about, the way things work. The political machinations of this world are as interesting as the battles themselves, and that’s important. This isn’t built for an attention-deficit-disorder suffering audience like so many of the action films of today. This is an elaborate story that expands the mythology of this character, that takes its time, erupting in furious flurries of violence from time to time, but always interested in telling a real story, complex and demanding. I love characters like General Nicomdeia Scauria Carnifexia, also known as “The Butcher,” a giant, brutal woman “famous for her lack of mercy and sexual enjoyment of conquest and slaughter.”

Milius brings Kon face to face with the truth about his parentage, and it is stranger than even that opening suggests. He brings Conan face to face with the treachery around him and forces him to become a true leader of men again in action, rather than just words. There is a speech that Conan gives to his troops that is truly beautiful writing, chilling, and when I learned what the significance was of the Crown of Iron... well, let’s just say it’s worth the wait. Milius lets the subplot about Conan and Aeldra build to a lovely conclusion, and one exchange between them in particular nearly broke my heart, it’s so perfect.

There’s a line in the original CONAN THE BARBARIAN that I dearly love, a quiet moment just before the final major battle. It’s just Conan by himself, praying to Crom. Fans know the dialogue by heart: “Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought and why we died. All that matters is that today, two stood against many. Valor pleases you, so grant me this one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, the HELL with you!”

Well, there’s another prayer here in another quiet moment just before battle, and even though this is an early draft and there are rewrites already underway, I hope this is one of those things that makes it through intact:

CONAN

Crom! Again we are here. One thing I know... you are watching, you old wolf! The odds are long again, you enjoy that. If I die, we will meet in Valhalla, I will eat at your table. And if I live, you will find other ways to torture me.

Conan salutes the sky.

CONAN

I hope you enjoy it!

I did more than enjoy this script. I devoured it. I pray that Warner Bros. is successful enough with LORD OF THE RINGS that they give Milius the greenlight to make this film. It’s an epic adventure he’s written here, and the biggest surprise of the whole thing for me was the last paragraph on the last page, when I realized that Milius is still determined to make his CONAN trilogy. I’ll delete a few names to preserve a bit of mystery about what happens in this film:

But there is more! Conan, NAME DELETED, NAME DELETED, and NAME DELETED must find their destiny in the great struggle to come. This too will be told in BENEATH MY SANDALED FEET, the final installment of R.E. Howard’s CONAN.

Bottom line: I love this script. I am dying to know what is being done to it now as Milius works on a second draft. I’m sure there’s a million ways Milius can make it even better than it is now, but as it stands, this is a promise fulfilled, a dream realized. For nearly 20 years, I’ve thought back to that image of an older Conan sitting on his throne, and I’ve been driven crazy by the implied sequel that image suggested. Now, finally, the blueprint exists to continue the story in the right way, to make something that not only stands up next to the original but actually enhances it and expands upon it. Milius has it in him to make another great movie, and this script is the proof I’ve been waiting for. Before I go to sleep tonight, I’m going to watch my DVD of the original, and when I close my eyes tonight, I’ll dream of a barbarian army, clashing with the full force of the civilized world, with one shadowy giant at the lead of it all, a crown of iron on his brow, and as I sleep, I am sure that I will smile.

Thanks for reading the first 10,000, everyone. Stick around for the next 10,000, and we promise to try even harder to make it worth your while.

"Moriarty" out.





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  • Aug. 27, 2001, 4:57 a.m. CST

    10,000 already?

    by str8fromsd

    wow

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Last!

    by DrMorden

    10,000 stories, congrats guys. Conan, could be cool, as long as it's not mediocre, make it. The cinemas appear to be full of mediocre films at the moment, not worth the effort of travelling to see them, hopefully we'll get some good stuff soon.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Well worth the wait...

    by Huneybee

    for #10,000, the KC: Crown of Iron script review. I AM on the way to bed now and I WILL fall asleep with a smile on my face. Thanks, Moriarty. I have waited on this movie for sooooooo long. Please, please let it be worth the wait.____A Patient For Quality Bee

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 5:32 a.m. CST

    What is best in life?

    by Mr_ant

    A new Conan film! yay!

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Crom laughs at your 10,000

    by Mel Garga

    This fucking better get made.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Congratulations

    by Alex_Rogan

    I hope you guys stick around for the 10.000th story. You've made a big difference in Hollywood and have opened up several minds, which can never be a bad thing. I've practically grown up with this page, since it originally used that grey marbley background and you had a special Collecting section with a couple of pictures of king kong posters and some old models. It would be an ultimate insult to these people to say that everything in this website isn't heartfelt and sincere to the bone. Thanks people for everything. P.S: King Conan is going to be another landmark film. Just read the review. It's a clearly 70s film. Raw, Un p.c., Sexual and Hyper-Violent. That spells out RUSH, and I suggest everyone does just that to get this film made. NOW!!!

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 6:16 a.m. CST

    The Conan I knew was still out there

    by PantingBuffalo

    Finally!! Someone has the sense to make a legit sequel. I still dont understand why it seems so hard for these movie "moguls" to make a good telling of fantasy. I mean Jesus tons of books are sold featuring that theme. millions read em and they have money to spend. why waste time and film with shit like Dungeons & Dragons or some other such filth. Start making smart fantasy for smart people. Quit catering to the lowest common denominator!!

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Species 2 spills forth

    by talkbacktornado

    Those were the days...but in the end, they sucked. But now? I can see wonderful times coming: SW:EPII, M2, HL5 etc. BTW: I don't give a rat's ass bout this NRA-Milius dreckfest. tt out. (tt's has never seen Red Sonja ... a gap in education?)

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 6:19 a.m. CST

    lamentations of the women...

    by sundown

    That film rocked. I hope they make it before Ahnuld is too old and needs a walker to get around his epic battlegrounds...

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Arnold needs this desperately...

    by Lionel Cosgrove

    The poor sod hasn't had a decent film in ages. It'd be nice to see Conan back in action, especially after this summer. 10,000? I've only been around since about seven thousand and something, but it's good clean fun all the same. Keep the news coming. Oh, Moriarty, any danger of you finishing your 90s List in the next 10,000?

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 7:04 a.m. CST

    One billionth use of excessive punctuation!!!

    by Ragged Robin

    Arnold needs to make another Conan movie, a good one like the first one. When's the last time he had a hit?

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 8:01 a.m. CST

    There comes a time, talkbacker, when the silver screen ceases to

    by IAmJacksUserID

    ...the popcorn loses it's luster, when the theatre becomes a prison, and all that is left is a movie fan's love for his Conan.

  • So NOW we will learn how unto this, CONAN, will be destined to wear the Jeweled Crown of Aquilonia upon a troubled brow. And if not in this movie, then Crom smite me down, I'll wait another twenty years for the completion of the Trilogy.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Yes! Please make this happen!

    by jefeboy

    This movie sounds perfect. Thanks, Moriarty, for telling us about it. And congrats on the 10,000. While Harry may be the heart of this site, you are the brain.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Favorite Barbarian Lines...

    by 0101010

    As some of you may know, one of my favorite swordfights of all time is the battle towards the end of Conan the Barbarian just after Conan prays to Crom. So, following that whole line of thought of favorites... what is your favorite quote from Conan the Barbarian... first up Schwarzenegger in his still thick Austrian accent saying "He will cast me out of Valhalla and laugh at me"...

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 8:46 a.m. CST

    salute

    by reni

    Thats fucking beautiful man!

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Conan and Congrats.

    by Jaka

    Conan The Barbarian (the first film) is classic cinema. People have a problem with this because it is an Arnold Fantasy Epic. But in my opinion is it one of the best films ever made. It is absolutely Arnolds best film, he is Conan. And until Harry Potter and LOTR are releases I believe it is the single best representative film wise for the sword and sorcery genre. Just great work. Arnold before he was a parody of himself. James Earl Jones being EEEEEEEVVIIILLLL! Subatai, The Wizard. Awesome film. And the end that Moriarty talks about with Conan on the throne! I've been talking to people about that scene since 1982 when I first saw the film (I was only 10 then!). I always mention, "someday they will make a sequel to this film." And people inevitably say, "but they did." At which point my head explodes!!! Conan The Destroyer is a steaming pile of B movie that should never have been made. Five years further in to Arnolds career and it would NOT have been made. But alas, he was not King Arnold yet and probably loved the work. But man does that movie stink! So now I can rejoice! And you can call me selfish if you want, but I am disappointed that Milius only wants to make three. This could have been one of the great film franchises if it had been done correctly. Arnold IS Conan!

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Could this be better than the original??

    by Warlord92

    Sounds like it, but it would have to be Anrie, no one else could pull this off, if it's not Arnie, I wouldent even bother, but if it is & they do it right & dont fuck up the script along the way..... THIS IS WHATS GOOD IN LIFE!!!

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Could this be better than the original??

    by Warlord92

    Sounds like it, but it would have to be Anrie, no one else could pull this off, if it's not Arnie, I wouldent even bother, but if it is & they do it right & dont fuck up the script along the way..... THIS IS WHATS GOOD IN LIFE!!!

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 9:02 a.m. CST

    RE: 0101010

    by Jaka

    I just wanted to add that while I think Conan has MANY memorable lines in the first film, that what I enjoy even more is Arnold actually acting. Not just making the squinty eye "I'm a bad ass" face. There are MANY scenes in this film where SO MUCH, including actual emotion, is put across with facial expression and body posture. Probably good direction from Milius. But anyway, the end of the scene you quoted where Subotai and Conan are resting on the planes by a fire eating some grub talking about their Gods is a perfect example. After Conan proffesses Crom's badassness and Subotai says "My god is greater. He is the everlasting sky. Your God, lives underneath him." Conan just looks at him and you can see that he is learning something new. That he is processing it. Subotai just chuckles. Great great stuff. Also another thing Milius did well was give a sense that these people really did go on adventures across vast distances to places they may not have ever been before. The days that Conan and Subatai literally RUN across the land never fail to make me feel like I am travelling with them. Man, can ya tell I've seen this film a couple hundred times!?

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Yah Conan vas da moofie dat made me a shtar

    by Regis Travolta

    But now Maria she don't vant me to do anoder Conan moofie she reads all my shcripts und she don't like the violent moofies no more she said I am now a family mann und I haf to do da family friendly moofies so I don't tink I vill be able to do dis moofie it's not family friendly enuf for Maria she's my vife I haf to do vhat she vants me to do sorry guyz! Besides Varner Bruders da shtudio dey von't let Milius eben direct dis moofie dey gonna gib it to dat wimp Aronofsky or to dat pansy Ratner maybe dey gonna get George Clooney to be da new Conan. But soon I do duh T3 moofie so you guys be happy den!

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Barry Windsor Smith

    by DrX

    Sorry, I couldnt read it all but what I read sounds good but doesent sound like any of the books I read as a kid. King conan was where he left his crown in Aquilonia and headed towards South America for one last battle. The frost Giants daughter was a story from Conans youth. It was brilliantly illustrated by Barry Windsor Smith. Does anyone remembers those old Roy thomas Marvel comics? BWS was/is a great artist with all his Pre-raphelite styings - Red Nails etc. Another great artist was Jim Steranko. Does anyone know anything about him (is he still alive and drawing?) Some of his writings would make great film noir.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Then King Conan HAS A BEER A CHEETS ON HIS WIFE everybody!!

    by Sith Witch

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 9:19 a.m. CST

    10,000? Why that's slightly more then 9,998!

    by RevSam

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 9:38 a.m. CST

    CONAN RULES!

    by B A Fett

    As long as they get Arnie to star and Basil to score, I will be a happy happy geek boy! And if not, then to HELL with them!

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe.

    by vroom socko

    This better get made. I haven't seen a decent fantasy movie on the big screen since The Princess Bride. Just wait, when Lord of the Rings hits, Ahnuld will be begging to do this.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 10:31 a.m. CST

    RE: JAKA and Arnie Acting...

    by 0101010

    I completely agree... looking over Schwarzenegger's movies, it can be seen that as far as his acting goes, I enjoy him more the less he speaks. It's a very eriudite look on his face after Subotai disses Crom to his face. The way he "seduces" the priest of Thulsa Doom; "Are these your robes, a priests robes", while looking coy and demure (God I can't believe I used those words in reference to Arnold) is another fine example. And of course, the look on his face at the very final portrait of the movie... I can only imagine Milius standing there saying "ok now squint a little... a little more... move the hand just a hair to the left... perfect... now hold still like that for about twenty minutes...".

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Subliminal All Your Base Reference...

    by 0101010

    That was beautifully done caracass9...

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 10:50 a.m. CST

    now THIS is the sequel Arnold should make!

    by Tall_Boy

    Right now he's shooting COLATERAL DAMAGE! MR. Arnold Big Time Movie Star is playing a FIREMAN! ACHHH!! Screw it, we want Conan, buddy.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 10:59 a.m. CST

    I can just see the trailer.

    by Wee Willie

    Arnie pumped up big again, with long hair, silhouetted against a red sky. Makes want to start going to the movies again.

  • I was probably about 13 when Conan came out, and I LOVED it. Since then I had kinda dismissed it cuz, ya know, alot of stuff that I LOVED back then, I look at now and say, man, that sucks. So a couple months ago, it's Saturday night, hangin around the house drinkin beer with some friends, and I see that Conan is coming on the Spanish channel! Well, the idea of watching Conan in Spanish over a few beers just sounds too cool, so I turn it on, and as we're watching it, it just hits us (my wife and I, because my friend wasn't really paying much attention)--this movie fuckin rocks! The cinematography, the score, everything! Even dubbed into Spanish and edited for TV, it was cool! And man, this script sounds so fuckin good, I'm chompin at the bit

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Long Live the King.

    by rabid_republican

    Conan, the Barbarian has always had a special place in my fan boy subconscious. Let me fully second Moriarty's hopes that with the pending success of LOTR, WB will greenlight this script (whatever the draft) for production. The only way I could see Crom torturing us more is to make this as horrific as Conan, the Deystroyer (aka Conan, the Deystroyer of a Perfectly Good Franchise). A sequel worthy of the original--THAT is what's best in life! So speaks...Rabid Republican!

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Between the time when the oceans drank Atlantis and the rise of

    by Closet Trekkie

    Why does the Collector's Edition DVD only have 2.0 mono audio? Any chance of another special edition to remix the soundtrack in 5.1 Dolby Digital? I noticed a major change between the first edition DVD and the Collector's Edition. The titling at the end over King Conan was changed from "But that is another story..." on the first edition and WITHOUT Mako's narration to "That story shall also be told." WITH Mako's narration on the Collector's Edition. Further hint of King Conan Crown of Iron, or part of Milius original ending to set up the proposed trilogy?

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 11:36 a.m. CST

    I'm in Geek heaven!

    by Spacesheik

    What a glorious script KING CONAN seems like! From the lyrical forest opening to the thundering climax, this movie looks like it will rock. And besides, John Milius is a hell of a writer! This movie needs to get made! Arnold, forget about the lightweight TRUE LIES 2 and the jinxed T3, and jump onto this right now! Thanks Moriarty for sharing thias with us.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, noon CST

    Here's hoping they stick to the script.

    by The Duke

    Like you Moriarty, I have a lot of affection for the Robert E. Howard Conan stories and the first Conan film. I remember vividly watching it with my cousin in my aunt and uncle's basement, listening to the gravelly voice of the Wizard and then right into that powerful opening score. Man, did that film kick some ass. From what you've told us, this sequel would be the perfect continuation of the cinematic Conan's saga. I only hope they make it soon. Arnold ain't getting any younger. ^_^

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Regis Travolta...

    by Bad Guy

    Dude, I was laughing so hard I almost fell out of my chair! Fucking brilliant! One of my fondest memories of the original Conan was actually before it was even in theatres. For about a week or so before opening day they played these really short TV ads where they would show some quick shots from the film and then a voiceover would go, "Conan the Barbarian. In four days." "... in three days." "... in two days." etc. The suspense was killing me and my buddies. And then we saw the actual film and we learned what was best in life. A slice 'em and dice 'em R-rated Conan flick, complete with lots of violence, gore, sex, adult themes, nudity. (Hey, whaddya' want? I was 14 at the time.) Anyway "...Destroyer" comes out a couple of years later and man, were we disappointed. PG? What is this crap?? Anyway, here's a chance for Arnie and the rest to make up for that insult of a sequel. Besides, like others have pointed out, he's in desperate need of a big hit. I don't think anyone's clamoring for "End of Days 2".

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Regis Travolta...

    by Bad Guy

    Dude, I was laughing so hard I almost fell out of my chair! Fucking brilliant! One of my fondest memories of the original Conan was actually before it was even in theatres. For about a week or so before opening day they played these really short TV ads where they would show some quick shots from the film and then a voiceover would go, "Conan the Barbarian. In four days." "... in three days." "... in two days." etc. The suspense was killing me and my buddies. And then we saw the actual film and we learned what was best in life. A slice 'em and dice 'em R-rated Conan flick, complete with lots of violence, gore, sex, adult themes, nudity. (Hey, whaddya' want? I was 14 at the time.) Anyway "...Destroyer" comes out a couple of years later and man, were we disappointed. PG? What is this crap?? Anyway, here's a chance for Arnie and the rest to make up for that insult of a sequel. Besides, like others have pointed out, he's in desperate need of a big hit. I don't think anyone's clamoring for "End of Days 2".

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Will Arnie do this film?

    by MsBigfoot

    I seem to remember there being talk of a Conan 3 and Arnie wouldn't EVEN go there. He will change his mind on this one, the script sounds excellant!! Besides who could be Conan but Arnie, ooooo but have Vin Diesel on the back burner, just in case. Congrats on 10 G's of way kewl news Mori!! MsBig

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 12:39 p.m. CST

    I love Conan and I trust Milius, but this script sounds a little

    by Blue Devil

    Wow, you could make three movies out of that script- that's what worries me. Lucas spread Star Wars out into a trilogy. I'm wondering, should Milius do the same? I would much rather he focus on Conan's age and desire to leave his son an empire than to have him running around bagging Snow Duaghters. Just a thought. Anyway, this is a first draft so it will definitely be cut down and focused. Milius is too good a filmmaker to waste this opportunity. Finally, a film I can look forward too (and a filmmaker I can trust- aside from Cameron).

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Wow, you'd think story #10,000 would be about something cool...

    by Edmund Exley

    Maybe a review of the "Enterprise" annotated script that's been floating around.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 1:06 p.m. CST

    IF YOU CAN READ THIS POST, YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME

    by jollydwarf

    Just a couple quick comments, questions, etc...congrats, first of all, on making it to 10,000. Would we have ever known this if that Y2K thing went down like Art Bell said it would (okay, strongly implied to sell crank-activated radios)? If it hasn't already happened, will the one millionth post get a flash animation of Harry congratulating a stock movie geek type while pixelated confetti fills up everyone's screens for the rest of the day? And will Moriarty's ten thousandth banning be broadcast public execution-style? Oh, and will there be a tenth anniversary "Pointless Star Wars/Matrix Debate: talkback in '09?

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 1:15 p.m. CST

    just some nitpicking

    by geekie

    does moriarty honestly think warner bros. has any direct control over new line cinema? the thing bout lord of the rings made me write this. anyway, now im done and i wont bother you any more. new line is not in the same position to warners as miramax is to disney. new line is (on paper) equal with warners, a subsidiary of aol time warner. flame away. :)

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 1:31 p.m. CST

    So, if the Wachowski Bros. produce this...

    by Pallando Blue

    ...will the fights all be in (trademark-copyrighted) "Sword Time"?

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 1:39 p.m. CST

    What's all this "cheets on his wife" shite, then?

    by user id indeed!

    Is it like "all your base"? Is there a techno score to go with it? Does it go on crackers? And if nobody said it.... would the little girls of the world cry? Somebody tell me, cuz I wanna know, durnit. This has been a Moment with User ID Indeed! Y'know, if I had a dollar for every AICN news story up to now, I could by 10,000 things from the dollar store. That's 10,000 "Aladdin" coloring books! Ooh!

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 2:30 p.m. CST

    I'm not worried about reading spoilers because I know this movie

    by Cash Bailey

    Arnie just doesn't give a shit anymore. BTW I am DESPERATE to read CRUSADE. Can someone email me a copy please. Or even WITH WINGS AS EAGLES.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 2:56 p.m. CST

    King Conan: One a Day Plus Iron

    by Hardyboy

    Isn't Arnie getting a little old for this stuff? I mean, he may be in great shape for a guy pushing 60, but if he's in this movie I hope he's wearing more than a loincloth.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 3:13 p.m. CST

    If Arnold is too old...

    by jakedog

    get that guy who played Bulwi in The 13th Warrior. He was badass. In fact, put all those guys in the new Conan movie :)

  • After seeing what they're capable of doing with the Lord of the Rings production, I think this could be even better than the first Conan- making the Hyborean world seem more opulent and sensual, like the original REH stories and Frazetta visualizations. And why not film it in New Zealand, and use WETA Digital for the effects? They should also film two sequels at once, before Arnold dies from heart failure. This could be his swan song. I didn't read the whole description of the story (because of possible spoilers), but from what I did read, this sounds like the Conan movie I always wanted-- sticking closer to the original REH stories, or at least incorporating the short stories into the script. I'd love to see Frazetta's painting of the Frost Giants come to life! If they do Conan the right way, like it seems New Line's doing with LOTR, then I'll be in ultra geek heaven. Mr. Milius, if you're reading this, PLEASE make it RATED R (with lots of sex and violence, the way REH would want it), bring back Basil, and for Crom's sake, NO AMERICAN ACCENTS!!! That's the most annoying part of the original. (Plus get a 5.1 soundtrack on the DVD. I mean, what's up with that shit? The greatest sountrack ever, and they put it out in MONO?!?! Unfuckingbelievable.)

  • After seeing what they're capable of doing with the Lord of the Rings production, I think this could be even better than the first Conan- making the Hyborean world seem more opulent and sensual, like the original REH stories and Frazetta visualizations. And why not film it in New Zealand, and use WETA Digital for the effects? They should also film two sequels at once, before Arnold dies from heart failure. This could be his swan song. I didn't read the whole description of the story (because of possible spoilers), but from what I did read, this sounds like the Conan movie I always wanted-- sticking closer to the original REH stories, or at least incorporating the short stories into the script. I'd love to see Frazetta's painting of the Frost Giants come to life! If they do Conan the right way, like it seems New Line's doing with LOTR, then I'll be in ultra geek heaven. Mr. Milius, if you're reading this, PLEASE make it RATED R (with lots of sex and violence, the way REH would want it), bring back Basil, and for Crom's sake, NO AMERICAN ACCENTS!!! That's the most annoying part of the original. (Plus get a 5.1 soundtrack on the DVD. I mean, what's up with that shit? The greatest sountrack ever, and they put it out in MONO?!?! Unfuckingbelievable.)

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Bet Harry never dreamed of 10,000...

    by MCVamp

    Congrats, AICN...But more importantly...will someone, ANYONE, please, please, please find a way to tell Arnold Schwarzenegger that this movie would make him all over again. Just from the snippets that our intrepid reviewer posted, I would say that a picture perfect adaptation would be better than the overrated Gladiator and up there in the clouds with Excalibur, Braveheart, and the original Conan as great sword/sorcery/sex epics go. Arnold and his movies will never be nominated for Oscars. This, at least would be something that, years from now, people might say "you know what? King Conan should have been nominated not *blank*." For Crom's sake, Arnold, stop making the cop action films and bad comedies for a change, and strap on the steel for another round. No matter how much or little your salary is, you will NOT regret it. Make this movie WB... make it rated R, make it high budget, and most importantly, MAKE IT NOW!

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 4 p.m. CST

    Conan the Barbarian is the greatest fantasy film ever made!

    by chadbrow1

    If another film is done it must have the feel of the fist film, not the general crappyness of the second. AICN and it's fans have to get the messege out to Milius. He has to capture the raw and fantastic feel of The Barbarian. Some of the things that make it great is the lack of dialogue, and letting the performances, action and especially the music move the plot.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Make this movie happen!

    by ewem

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Vladimir Kulich AKA Buliwyf from 13th Warrior

    by 0101010

    You know... come to think of it... I can VERY readily see Buliwyf in this movie. Not necessarily in the title role (although I would imagine that Schwarzenegger is far from a done deal), but I found his acting in 13th Warrior to be very compelling and engaging, especially considering how disjointed (yet undeniably fun) that movie was. Perhaps as the Emperor or better still, as Kon. His look and methodical delivery was very befitting the character he played in 13th Warrior. His death on the very throne-looking battlement at the end, thrusting his sword wearily into the wood with his dog at his feet, had all the flavor of the final tableau in Conan the Barbarian. I heartily agree with the former poster, most of the cast of Warriors from 13th Warrior would be simply delicious as battle hardened followers of King Conan.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 5:23 p.m. CST

    no more procrastinating

    by kojiro

    Hearing this news I know that it is finally time to convert to the worship of Crom!By the by, where the hell are the original REH stories, all I've ever found are the follow up serializations that came out around the time of the movie?

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 5:32 p.m. CST

    "Fuck you, Jobu. I do it myself."

    by MCVamp

    Anyone else think Pedro Serrano's speech to Jobu in "Major League" was at least partially inspired by Conan's prayer to Crom in "Conan the Barbarian"? It reminds ME of it, at least.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 6:10 p.m. CST

    My favorite scene for Conan the Barbarian

    by Mr Bonefish

    Conan's village has just been wiped out. His mother is holding his hand with THE sword raised in the other. JEJ arrives and studies the sword given to him by his seconds. After taking her head, he poker faces the stunned Conan. I am in awe of the pace and majesty of this sequence. Genius. Basil better be in the credits.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Would the real Conan please stand up...

    by bwell

    Having read all the novels more times than I can count, I'm still waiting for a definitive version of Conan. Not the shaved, clean, watered down version we saw in both movies, but Robert E. Howard's original vision. The first movie offered a great soundtrack, fantastic locations, costumes and a sense of time, but little else. Offering a weak Thoth-Amon clone, sidekicks, and simple sword fighting, I felt it really was John Millius' retelling of Conan, with just a nod to Howard for inspiration. As long as it is looked at in that vein, then it stands as an adequate sword and sorcery film, but Howard's Conan would slice Arnold in half in about two seconds. How about finding an actor that actually looks the part. You all read the books, remember? Black hair, goes about 6'8", almost a giant in stature? Ring a bell? With todays technology and training techniques, they can at least make the sword fights look like they should. And then having Conan more than a brainless brute muttering and speaking only when spoken to. Personally, if Millius is going to do another film, I'd rather see him do something completely original as opposed to ripping off events written by Howard and jumble them into a movie to his own liking. I personally think the story dealing with the Frost Giant's daughter is undermining the integrity of the original story. Heck, the events leading to Conan's rise to power in Aquilonia(Treasure of Tranicos, and even the events with the war with the Picts) are far more interesting and well written than the script. And a helluva lot more violent. Why couldn't they go by the novels in the first place? I guess I want to make it clear that we are reading John Millius' interpretation of Conan, not Robert E. Howard's. Any similarity is purely coincidental, and not intended. With tripe such as the treatment of Kull allowed to come out, I shouldn't be surprised at what is being written and passed off as brilliant for Conan.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Bravo Drew, Bra-fucking-Vo!

    by Comedian

    Don't worry Drew, you'll be spared "when the Revolution comes". You are the brains, the "Roger Avary" of this site and you have always been down with the people and don't think that that doesn't go unnoticed or unappreciated. On the subject of Conan, I don't think Ahnuld has anything to lose at this point. Him returning to Conan would probably do much bigger grosses than one of his godawful action/scifi flicks where he's always out of breath and his skin looks like a samsonite suitcase. It kinda reminds me of Heston in the early Seventies (The Soilent Green/Omega Man Era)when he was still trying to be an action hero in his fifties. You watch those flicks and you're like "Gad Chuck put a fucking shirt on!" "I..Love..GUNS!!!" Maybe Ahnuld, could bulk up one last time for old times sake and do King Conan(or they could just put him in some kind of armor anyway). I still believe that there is infact a parallel universe where Lou Ferrigno didn't let Ahnuld psych him out with all that "Giff Idup Looo! Yooo Ah Veek!" Bullshit. In such a universe Lou went onto win the 1976 Mister Universe competition. He then went onto to play Conan and the Terminator and become the biggest box office draw of the 80's. While Ahnuld went onto star in a crummy Bill Bixby vehicle where he had to endure hours of body paint and a prosthetic forehead just so he could make confused, goofy facial expressions and run in slow motion while sad piano music played in the background. Of course in that same universe Tatum O'Neal had a star turning performance in Taxi Driver that inspired some nut to shoot Jimmy Stewart, The President of The United States. Paul McCartney was killed in front of his Apt by some nut who was inspired by Catch-22. And Charles Bronson went onto become a great American director whose genre deconstructing masterpiece "Unwished" is looked on as a modern classic. Either way, thanks for all the scoops over the years whether they be legit or total bullshit. They've provided a forum for us all, future Robert Altmans and future Roger Eberts alike to chew the fat and above all not just have to sit back and swallow whatever crap the marketing departments of the major studios are trying to shove down our throat to cheat us out of our $8.50. Cheers.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Thanks, ebonic plague!

    by user id indeed!

    May you continue to liquify the internal organs of society! Isee where the mockery comes from. That was one lousy review. Maybe Spooky was too busy cheeting on his wife!!!!... to... uh... review... good. Damn, I need work on that. This has been a Moment with User ID Indeed! Bring me more blue crayons! Genie #2678 needs life, dammit!!!

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 6:50 p.m. CST

    On another note,

    by Comedian

    Anybody remember that moronic Conan TV show from a few years back with the Ahnuld look-alike and the guy who played Mickey the Midget on Seinfeld as his happy go lucky sidekick. That show was the worst Movie to TV adaptation ever. It made Clueless, The Bad News Bears and all those crappy Robocop shows look like fucking M*A*S*H(wait, M*A*S*H sucked compared to the original film too) ..I mean Alice.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 7:07 p.m. CST

    It sounds good, but I wonder...

    by Lobanhaki

    ...How Milius managed to compact all that info into the first 30 minutes. That is a big amount of plot to crunch into 30 pages of script. If he can do that effectively he's got a hell of a start to kick his movie off. But if he makes his story right, It could be utter badassness. On a final note, I don't quite mind the sequel. I guess that's because that's the one I grew up with. Still, though the music for the first is pretty good, the theme I most identify with Conan is that one that goes in this movie. I also like that confrontation with the wizard with that mirrored chamber and that monster. Also, I don't know how Conan the Destroyer got a PG with the gore they showed. It's good, though, to keep in mind that there was no PG-13 when that movie was released, and there were no steamy sex scenes added to the mix. Still it mystifies me that it got that rating.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Who to play Conan...

    by buddy

    I really wish and hope that Arnold is up to the challenge of making a comeback to his most cherished role as Conan. However, being that Arnold is older, richer and more fragile(!?!?!), it might not be right to have him cast in the role, seeing as how he would probably have a stunt man do all the work. To me, Arnold is Conan, as Christopher Reeve is Superman, but I doubt he would choose to return to the role. In that case, I still think that they should cast WWF's Duayne "The Rock" Johnson as Conan. After the Mummy Returns and the upcoming Scorpion King, he will indeed show that he is suitable if not perfect for the role. He even looks like the Conan in the comic books (kind of a muscular barbarian version of a native american). Here's hoping that either Arnold or The Rock play Conan as I would be happy with either. But if they couldn't cast either of the two, then they shouldn't make the movie at all. Oh and definitelly bring back Basil Poledouris for the musical score.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Conan question

    by krimlon

    Hello every one....long time reader first time poster.... Jsut wondering about if there were any rumors out there about Arnold being in the next Conan movie (that is if it ever get made)....I read the latest news and had to pick my jaw off the floor. This is a movie I have been waiting for almost as much as the last Star Wars Movie. Keep us informed...:)

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Please make this fucking movie

    by hktelemacher

    and let Milius direct it and have him finnagle Arnold into starring in it. I grew up loving the hell out of the Conan flicks (when I was a kid I didn't know better than to love Conan the Destroyer also) but when I heard on the commentary track that Milius wanted to a third one, a real sequel to Conan the Barbarian, that was flat out cruel because the chances of this project actually happening are so slim. Arnold probably isn't into it, Milius has absolutely no weight to throw around, and the only momentum this project has is if Dino DeLaurentiis is involved and the fact that the Brothers Wachowski are interested in doing something in it. DeLaurentiis and the Wachowskis have the power, so they had better use it to get Milius and Arnold back together because this thing sounds rockin'. Along with the Star Wars movies, Conan is one of those essential films from my youth that I watched and re-watched a hundred times. The first one is still great but I can't watch the sequel without thinking about how it would have been if Milius had come back to do the project the way it should have been done. This may just be a lot of fanboy bullshit spewing from me, but I rarely do that so I'll allow myself the fanatical orgasm of praise and hope. I think what it really comes down to is how Arnold and the studio will feel about the graphic nature of the film. It seems that it's no longer cool to make movies with an unscrupulous protagonist who rapes, pillages and maims. There's also not much potential for future sequels or a franchise so that may discourage things. If this movie is not produced it will be the business aspect of the industry that is at fault. I think both Milius and Arnold have been very creatively constipated for many years and need material where they can just cut loose and go for broke without worrying about the business angle of the biz. This may just be irrational jarble but Milius should just be given money and allowed to do his thing. I think it would work out for the best. Here's hoping for this some time in the near future.

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Ahhh, the old days ....

    by jbreen

    Lawdy. I don't post too much anymore but I am still lurking around this site some God knows how many years on. I wonder whatever happened to some of those early posters - the ones who gained daft notoriety like Lane Myers, the ones 'immortalised' in the AICN screen saver two or three years back and so on. Have they, like me, moved into the horrible real world of careers and jobs and no longer have as much time to post? Or have they just had their jollies and moved on? Here's something for you to do, your Harryness - post a story about us, the Talkbackers. Surely you and Moriarty etc. have had a few favourites among the posts and posters, a few most hated etc. All that critique, vitriol, love and just plain crap jokes - don't tell me they are all gone? Very sad if so ...

  • Aug. 27, 2001, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Thanks Bad Guy! But why all the fuss over a "Late Night with Con

    by Regis Travolta

    I mean sure Conan and Max are funny but without Andy Richter I don't know if it's a movie although their announcer Joel Goddard is laugh out loud funny. I suggest we convince NBC and Warner Bros. to do a trade just like major league sports which would then give us "Late Night with Ahnuld" on TV every weeknight at 12:36 and "Conan the Librarian" in theaters with Milius directing O'Brien in a lighthearted comedic romp not unlike Chris Elliott in Cabin Boy.

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 12:33 a.m. CST

    This baby will kick ass big time! Make it now!!!

    by Blake Falls

    This could be next godfather II. millius is one of the giftest directors out theire and Conan the Barbarian is definetly the best fantasy epic ever made. This franchise is not only perfect for our nihilistic age with Millius at the helm this will kick ass big time!

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Vin diesel as kon

    by goldendrunkard

    i think everyone subconciously thinks this guy is arnie reincarnated so why not try to lure him to the prject to be the big man's son? i think WB should realize that this will bring em at east 700mil worldwide and this should get the go ahead now, we need a cool 2003/4 summer flick

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 6 a.m. CST

    Actually..

    by bwell

    You can just throw a book up onscreen, providing there is sufficient talent behind the pen to do it. Frank Darabont did it twice with Shawshank Redemption and The Green Mile. And he somehow managed to find characters that fit the roles, and even improved aspects of both stories. To say that there is no one out there who looks like Conan and can act is a fallacy. Who had heard of Hugh Jackman before he became Wolverine? If there is talent and time, then nothing is beyond their grasp. Why settle for mediocrity? Tim Burton handed in a poorly written, short, balding, fake muscled rubber travesty of a Batman, overhyped and overexposed it, and everyone flocked to the theatre and praised his genius at creating such a definitive version of the character. A little while later, these two guys come out with a cartoon that runs rings around any of the movies. I'm not asking for exact copies of Howard's words to the screen, or an exact duplicate of his description for Conan, but what's wrong with asking for a little attention to detail? If Milius wants his own version of Conan, so be it. As long as it's clear that it's his version, and we don't see something like "Robert E. Howard's King Conan: Crown of Iron" Perhaps he should get rid of all the plot points he bit off of Howard and create his own.

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Conan: Howard vs Milius

    by Galen

    Having written a (unpublished) Conan pastiche myself, I feel qualified to say from personal, hard-learned experience (and I'm still learning!) that there's a big difference between Howard's Conan and what's been portrayed as Conan in the movies and in print (L. Sprague de Camp & the TOR novels...). Just from what I read in this latest Milius script review, I don't like how Milius is tying together "The Frost Giant's Daughter" and "Lair Of The Ice Worm". It stinks of hackwork. I say leave the original stories be--don't ruin them so that anyone trying to develop future pictures based on Howard's own stories has to "ignore" the mess already made of them by others and hope everyone else can too. This is why the ill-fated and ill-produced "Conan The Adventurer" series did much more harm than if they had simply invented their own Conan tales. The Devil mixes lies with the truth; pastiche should not be mixed with Howard's Conan stories. Instead of focusing on Conan's rise to kingship--and butchering other Conan stories in the process--why couldn't Milius set a story *after* Conan had already become King? Howard's "Hour Of The Dragon" (Conan The Conqueror) would be wonderful. But since Milius is making up everything as he goes along anyway, then maybe he could just use his own stuff and not Howard's? Conan was never king of "Zingara". He never actually captured and made love to "The Frost Giant's Daughter". All the emphasis on Conan's son, "Conn" ("Kon" here) was made by de Camp, not Howard. And in the first movie, the scene based on "The Thing In The Crypt" wasn't even from one of Howard's stories, but de Camp's! There's lots more, but the point I'm driving at is to do one or the other--either all pastiche, or all pure Howard. Let each stand on its own merits. What would be really excellent is if someone out there with at least half a brain took Howard's actual Conan stories and made a series of movies based on them. Take 2 or 3 stories, shoot each of them and put them together into a feature-length film. Why all this emphasis on something Howard only really cared about in an off-hand way (Conan becoming King)? As I had this fact impressed upon me quite strongly just last week, Conan's aim in life wasn't to become King of Aquilonia. It was to live large, to revel in battle, wine and women. Becoming King is almost incidental to him. He isn't "Kull", who contiuously broods upon the throne and on the mysteries of life. Anyway, that's my take in a real tiny nutshell. If this movie gets made as descibed here, it, like the first movie (which I liked as a movie unto itself), won't actually BE about Howard's Conan, but about a pastiche Conan based on someone else's misunderstanding of the character and the material. --Galen http://affiliates.thethreshold.com/galen

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 7:33 a.m. CST

    The true Art of tounges should be built into the dialogue...

    by Bobbi Sands

    Story telling is what makes Conan so embracing. The Monologue allows years to pass quickly and flashbacks to occur seamlessly. It's engrossing and vital to this movie. Flashes of the horrific pain of battle mixed with scenes of rape and plunder moved towards the souless man who needs to find himself again and yet again is the beat this movie needs. Lonely and somber and dark... Conan

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Barbarian Haiku...

    by 0101010

    Here's my first crack... No Crown of Iron-Breathe life into the franchise-Know Crown of Iron

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Milius Is King

    by LCD

    "What is best in life?" "Conan" by John Milius!!!

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 9:40 a.m. CST

    This is one long TB

    by SamWave

    I've taken the time to read the whole lot of it, and the majority of people have an undiluted love for Milius' Conan. This is a potentially huge money-maker, but they need Arnold to do it.

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 10:25 a.m. CST

    King Conan must be made!!!!

    by Wolvie6

    HELL YEAH! They have to make this!! A true sequel to Conan! Robert E. Howard style. No cheese! That movie is one of my all time faves! It is really epic. Conan the Destroyer does not compare. I actually know people that consider that to be a good movie and better than the original. Can you believe it? Goddamn morons!!

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 10:56 a.m. CST

    What?!

    by Scaught

    A new Conan makes as much sense as Harry in a thong.

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Now that's just plain thong...

    by 0101010

    That's almost as taudry as using the numeral 69 in the creation of your ID...

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 11:35 a.m. CST

    A few years ago Oliver Stone needed to be reminded who John Mili

    by Scoobydo-do

    There was an interesting documentary on British TV a couple of years back. Oliver Stone and John Milius were shooting the breeze; relecting on past glories and harping on about the decline of Hollywood. But what struck me was the gulf between the two. Stone is and will continue to be a major creative force and he put forward some very cogent arguements about where Hollywood suceeds and fails...but all John Milius could contribute was his plan to recreate the old pirate movies. Oliver merely smiled - but you sensed that behind the smile was pity. Milius is not a player anymore - Hollywood has changed a lot in the last ten years and I'd be surprised if the Harvard hot shot execs at Warners would even know who Milius us. I wish this wasn't so, but this Conan movie is only ever destinted to be played in the theatre of Milius mind.

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Wish they'd have stuck to the original

    by Lemur Master

    "Conan the Conqueror" is an excellent novel. All the business of the Frost Giant's Daughter (an early Howard short story) and the White Wyrm is from "Conan of Cimmeria" and chronologically takes place when Conan was in his early 20s. The original story of how Conan gained the throne is really engaging. I highly recommend it. "Conan the Conqueror." This script sounds like it is gonna hack the original myth to bits, much like Conan the Barbarian ripped the Origin of Conan apart. The film was alright, and it did a good job expressing the will and power of Conan, but not the craftyness. And it was an abyssmal attempt to translate the original stories. - Lemur Master

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Can Arnie even pull off Conan anymore?

    by DomisInnerChild

    I mean, he's smaller, over 50, losing his former onscreen presence from doing stupid comedies/horrible shadows of his former self action movies, and a lot of the public sees him as slimy reporter groper. I'd feel better about this project if Arnie could nail a major hit in the next year or two, but if this becomes his comeback vehicle (for him and the director), it just seems like bad things could happen. If Lord of the Rings doesn't go off, Conan probably won't even get a decent budget. I mean, Conan the Barbarian came out 20 years ago. It didn't even create a mindless fan base (Destroyer bombed, so there was no Rambo III-like suckers). If there is the fainted whiff of crap on this project, it's going to be impossible to get hype going. Conan would have slightly more market appeal as say Lost in Space in my opinion (a built in average fanbase, possible market push because of potential tie-ins, fading stars, and a relatively recognizable title). Any boost it has comes off the remaining momentum of Gladiator (if any) and whatever Lord of the Rings does. I just feel there's a strong chance that (despite liking what I read as the plot) it could turn into a pitiful train wreck of an actor trying to reclaim his former glory.

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 1:37 p.m. CST

    I want this movie! I have waited 20 years for this movie!

    by Huneybee

    Would you guys quit pulling off the Bee's wings, please? Next will come small animals and then, before you know it, you have a freezer full of young gay men. Sadists!!!____An Aerodynamically Challenged Bee

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Milius really IS a fascist....

    by MaddHatter

    Has everyone forgotten about this? "Red Dawn," anyone? If not for Coppola's interference, "Apocalypse Now" would've been nothing more than a philosophical take on "Rambo" (even now, you can see some of this, like when Kurtz complains about how he could win the war so quickly if not for the bureaucrats running the show). "The Wind and the Lion" was so blatantly reactionary in its implications (extreme militarism, the "ignorant masses," women as doormats) that I came close to shutting the VCR off several times in the course of viewing it. And don't get me started on the racial politics of "Conan" and "Farewell to the King." How a self-professed "liberal" like Oliver Stone could co-write a script with this guy is beyond me. Oh wait, Stone supported Bush in the last election.....

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 7:23 p.m. CST

    ...and I have to add.....

    by Wolvie6

    Before any of the fucks start.......no....NO FUCKIN WAY...."Bruce Campbell for Conan" shit! Don't even fucking start that shit! Get a fucking life Bruce boys. .....Sweet Jesus bleeding Christ!

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Conan always reminds me of Kipling's "Cold Iron".

    by Tallwingedgoat

    Excerpt GOLD is for the mistress - silver for the maid. Copper for the craftsman cunning at his trade! " Good! " said the Baron, sitting in his hall, But Iron - Cold Iron - is master of them all." The script looks like excellent writing.

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Someone must save Basil Poledouris

    by hktelemacher

    His last credit was Crocidile Dundee in L.A. I was checking out his list of credits and it made me sad that I had seen a few of those movies and not even come close to realizing it was a Poledouris score. I identify him with that extremely abrasive kick-ass music from Conan, which was so driven by the score, not some flick where the music plays under everything. This flick needs to be made for so many reasons and a huge Poledouris score is a big one.

  • Aug. 28, 2001, 10:45 p.m. CST

    I'm fucking famous.

    by The-Warrior

    I have faith in Conan. The rest of you can go fuck yourselves. It's going to be me, Conan and a bunch of teenage girls taking over the world. Keep that in mind, clownshoe. I'm the fourteen times banned champion of the world. Your hero. See you in Hell.

  • Aug. 29, 2001, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Not much to add to the above. . .

    by Sith Lord Jesus

    . . .just what I've already said many times before on the subject: Arnie as King Conan, US$150+ Mil budget, Poledouris for the score and an excellect script = cinematic masterpiece. And you know. . .I really don't give a rats ass how little or how much either it or LORD OF THE RINGS makes at the box office. What's the number one film in America right now? AMERICAN PIE 2? Fuck the box office, thank you very much; the masses are asses. All I want in my movies is excellence, and the script described above fairly oozes of it. KING CONAN: CROWN OF IRON. *Now,* please. Were I Emperor, people would be dragged out into the street and shot for delaying this.

  • Aug. 29, 2001, 5:09 a.m. CST

    Hollywood has no excuse for not making this..

    by Dogmuffin

    Following last years action epics - Gladiator and X-men, both of which were intelligently scripted and directed with strong character content, there is no excuse why this King Conan script can't see the production light of day. The technical ability, special effects and skills exist to make any genre movie effectively so why do most action movie tend towards the shallow, when there is no reason why it can't be everything? The best movies of all time are intelligent action/sci-fi/fantasy movies - Raiders of the Lost Ark, Star Wars, Jaws, Gladiator, X-Men, Matrix and not forgetting CONAN!! Milius rules. Finally Arnie is not a bad actor - it might be awhile ago but he has won an award. No matter the skill of an actor it won't make up for a daft script, and he seems to have become preoccupied with formulaic "Arnie vehicles" and not throwing himself into a full on acting. Bring back Conan, bring back the Terminator, make a proper Predator sequel. Save us from anymore Tomb Raiders (worst film ever? or does that go to Carry On columbus or D&D)and no more (new!) Planet of the Apes - jesus christ it's a chimp on a space moped!!

  • Aug. 29, 2001, 3:48 p.m. CST

    This Movie Must Be Made!!!!

    by herod

    Just as John Milius envisions it!!! Give the fans what they have been waiting for for 20 years!!!

  • Aug. 29, 2001, 5:26 p.m. CST

    i beg to differ

    by kojiro

    Sleazy...good to see you again, this damn place was becoming rather tedious without you and Buzz around. That said, I must disagree with your position on Conan's intelligence (and big Ahnuld's acting as well I'm afraid). Certainly he was the very picture of the barbarous killing machine; big and nearly dumb enough to be considered mildly retarded (proof indeed of Arnold's range that he carried that off so very convincingly(!). However in the first movie Conan seemed to me to be quite intelligent, the masters of the East educated him in philosophy, literature and language (if I remember correctly). No level of intelligence however could make up for his lack of experience. The poor young man was just naive. Remember, if you will, the first half-hour of the film, Conan has almost no experience with normal society when his master releases him, shortly thereafter he meets Subotai and the plot proceeds from there. In Barbarian Conan certainly wasn't the equivalent of the Man With No Name, but I could see him becoming that character with more experience. And on a more serious note about Arnold's acting, sure he prooved himself incapable (many times) of branching out, but he does play a convincing badass (with a superior director to bring it out unfortunatrely).

  • Aug. 30, 2001, 6:56 a.m. CST

    The ridde of steel...

    by bluelou_boyle

    Good point St.buggering, I never thought of the post-resurrection sequence that way. I think that when Stone and Milius say flesh, they mean Will. Will and character are more important than tools. The point was made again, more or less, in Braveheart when young wallace was told that he has to learn to use his head before he can use his sword. In Conan, throughout the first part of the film he only acts as he has been taught, resigning himself to the life he has thus far led : 'For us, the spring wind is just the calm before the storm'. He regrets his past life, but sees no other way, and he almost lets the past control him by sparing Thulsa Doom, but instead dares to create an uncertain future for himself, by killing his creator. Conan the Existentialist.

  • If you don't already know, Frank Frazetta is the artist on the covers of the most famous editions of the Conan books. His paintings are apparently part of Milius' inspiration for Conan, which is exactly the way it should be. There's a documentary being made about Frazetta, which will include interviews with John Milius and Ralph Bakshi (among others), and the documentary itself will have a score by Basil Poledouris! Check it out at http://www.cinemachine.net HARRY, you should do a story about this documentary, and update everyone with its progress. I'm sure you must realize Frazetta's influence on fantasy/sci-fi Geekdom.

  • Aug. 30, 2001, 11:24 a.m. CST

    yeh

    by kojiro

    It certainly would have been interesting to see Conan apply what he learned of life. You know where a good place to have seen that would have been...in a sequal. Three cheers for Hollywood. I expect you're right about Buzz, canny bastard that one, and never struck me as a quitter. Site has been rather slow on the interesting news lately, been lurkin a bit me'self, maybe bump into you down there in the dark...

  • Sept. 1, 2001, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Conan

    by oogly

    Conan the Barbarian was without doubt,the greatest sword and sorcery film ever made, from the extravagant sets and costumes, to one of the best musical scores in a film ever, and while some question Arnies acting in other films, casting him as the legendary Barbarian was a stroke of genius, born for the role really, he doesn't say much, but what he says is all that's needed. The expressions he carries are enough, such as the scene after his crucification, alone on the hill, practicing his swordplay. If King Conan is made, and I hope to god it is, I can't imagine any other actor than Arnie playing the lead, I don't think it would work otherwise. Imagine a character other than Stallone playing Rambo, or an actor other than Gibson playing Mad Max, same goes for Willis in the Die Hards. Once a character is set up in a memorable role, I think they should be kept in that role for future films, otherwise the vision of that character is lost. It's not just the persona of the charcter that you remember, it's the actor that fills the role. Arnie must play Conan if this film is made.

  • Sept. 1, 2001, 6:30 p.m. CST

    True to R. E. Howard...

    by TheLastRomantic

    I know this is a late comment, but it needs to be said. Upon reading the screenplay draft it seems the writer has a firm grasp on Howard's type of carnal fantasy -- in particular I was VERY GLAD to see that 'The Frost Giant's Daughter' story was being used (it is one of Howard's best! -- and Tolkien himself enjoyed it, as well!!). Though the story in the draft occurs at the later stages of Conan's life, instead of during his young adult years (as Howard describes), I really do think John Milius has a solid interpretation to work with, so long as the cigar-chomping, martini-guzzling, ulcer sticken, studio fat cats don't mess around with it and try to make it more accessible to their view of middle America's taste. Good luck John Milius.

  • Sept. 2, 2001, 10:35 a.m. CST

    It's all about Subotai

    by Vermithrax

    Milius should approach Gerry Lopez about bringing back the son of the everlasting sky. Subotai was always the best character in the movies. Hey, maybe we'll even get a scene where that annoying thief from 'the destroyer' gets killed. We can hope...

  • Sept. 3, 2001, 3:48 a.m. CST

    great potential

    by serrin

    could be a great film if they don't slaughter it for "mass Appeal.I personaly, wouldn't mind sitting through a 3 or even 4 hr. epic that was done correctly, over another piece of hollywood dung like Conan the Destroyer again. this could be a "BIGGER & Better" film than the origional. I remain hopeful with the (fairly) recent release of Ridley Scott's Gladiator. I just hope hollywood realizes that just becuse Conan the Destroyer was a Complete disaster, that this story is "FAR FROM OVER". And Why not go out with a "Glorious BANG"

  • Sept. 4, 2001, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Arnold Is King!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by ActionFan

    Arnold will never let his fans down. He will make Conan, Crusade, I Am Legend, With Wings As Eagles, True Lies 2, and Terminator 3. These are the movies his fans want. Long Live The King!!!

  • Sept. 5, 2001, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Is this Conan?

    by Ironhand

    "The film

  • Sept. 6, 2001, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Re: Is it Conan?

    by Galen

    Ironhand has it right. Dead-on. Milius would do well to go back and read Howard's own stories to see exactly what Conan is about. Considering that before now it was difficult to find Howard's Conan stories unadulterated by the likes of the late L. Sprague de Camp, and what with all the TOR pastiches churned out over the years, I can see how Milius might have been led astray from the real Conan character. But now that "The Conan Chronicles" (not the Jordan pastiche re-releases, but the UK Millennium Press collections books) have been out for over a year, he has no excuse not to have read them and have figured out where he went wrong with the character. In fact, there are a number of newsgroups, mailing lists and message boards where he could have read thousands of messages discussing Conan's true character. Not to mention numerous books and essays published on the same topic. All Milius has to do is Google a little bit and he'd soon learn something. There's no excuse for this kind of laziness, unless he thinks his version of Conan is better than Howard's, which would be a real sin of vanity. --Galen <a href="http://affiliates.thethreshold.com/galen">GALEN'S GLADE</a>

  • Sept. 13, 2001, 4:36 a.m. CST

    King Conan

    by hellbringer

    I have been waiting and waiting for this movie. I think that if this movie does not get the go ahead something is really wrong with hollywood, well at least they should try to make up for that awful D&D movie,... Is it just me or has hollywood forgot how to make a good movie a good fantasy movie, but in my mind if they make this movie it will make up for alot. Thanks Mike

  • Sept. 19, 2001, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Conan Script-Kon

    by Rokkar

    The script looks great so far but I just hope that they choose a good child actor to play Kon. If they choose a bad child actor it could ruin the whole movie. Haly Joel Osman has the intelligiance but not the look. But it would be someone with his talent that is needed or it will end up being a korny father/son relationship with those awkward embarrassing moments where you want to turn your head because you feel so queer.

  • Sept. 25, 2001, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Where is everyone getting copies of the script? Is there a link?

    by mad maximus

    Now I'm curious.

  • Oct. 2, 2001, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Conan not Conin

    by Zargon

    I disagree with Ironhand. Miliues wanted the story and characters to be believable, not make Conan seem like a God who could not die (like in Howard's books). If Conan COULD die in the movie, that adds to the suspense, and Miliues did this well. And I greatly enjoyed the beginning part of the movie better than the book...the Cimmerians minding their own business, try to live and prosper as a snow-hardened-mountainous people, and all of a sudden they were attacked! The Cimmerians gave a HELL of a fight, hacking down foes a plenty, and the Cimmerians would have proved victorious in the end if they were at least somewhat prepared. They were all occupied either by searching for food, laboring on the mill-thingy, and some were cooking food. All of a sudden, the Riders of Doom came storming in, and I saw Rexor hack at one Cimmerian that looked like a decent fighter, killing him instantly, because Rexor was on horseback and the Cimmerian was not, and the Cimmerian didn't have a weapon at hand (because he was cooking food). I really, really like that Miliues showed that the Cimmerians WERE killing people, not like in movies today where either one side or the other side wins and they don't show any of the other side's contributes. When Conan's father finally retrieved his sword, he joined the fray, and Miliues portrayed two Cimmerians who were probably some of the Better fighters in the village. Conan's father of course (the blacksmith), and that one dude with that Axe! Hewas jumping onto horseback Riders of Doom, and was charging others without missing a beat. Finally, though, his fellows were becoming few, and the Riders had more time to focus on certain combatants. One Rider of Doom who was on foot got killed by the Axe Cimmerian. The axe Cimmerian turned aroudn quickly, becoming exhausted from the multitude of enemies, and was smashed in the head by Thaugrim (the guy with the huge-ass MAUL who is crushing people with its impact). Rexor was continually barking out commands like, "Kill that ONE!" And finally, Conan's father got a hatchet to the back, then was taken down by two charging war hounds. That was my best part of the whole movie. And it had meaning to me, which was even more amplified when this scene occured after Conan's father was talking to his son, a son-to-son talk. How I hated seeing the hounds eat out Conan's father's heart when he was felled! I have so much more to talk about, but so little time: I am hard pressed, my village is being attacked by outnumbering men on Horseback, and we were taken by surprise! Oh, how I wonder how they would have fared if the Cimmerians were at least abit prepared (makes me think of the Twin Towers, everyone was just going about their daily lives).

  • Oct. 2, 2001, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Xxxxx the Barbarian

    by Ironhand

    It would have been a great movie if only Milius hadn't pretended it was about Conan.

  • Oct. 5, 2001, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Not a god

    by Ironhand

    Conan is not a god who cannot die. In Howard&#39;s stories, often Conan and his opponent end up equally bloodied and bruised, so that to look at them, you wouldn&#39;t be able to tell who was the winner and who the loser, except that the opponent is on the ground, dead or whimpering and blubbering helplessly, while Conan is standing over him, fists clenched, eyes glaring, as he looks around for more opponents to crush. CtB was a good movie in itself; the reason that Howard fans get so irritated by it is that Milius took the creation of another author, and used it as a vehicle for his own ideas, thus obscuring the original creation, while riding the popularity of that original creation. Milius doesn&#39;t just stand on Howard&#39;s shoulders in the sense of "standing on the shoulders of giants", he rides Howard like the Old Man of the Sea rode Sindbad the Sailor - legs wrapped around Sindbad&#39;s ribs and crushing them, arms wrapped around his neck and strangling him, hands covering his mouth and gagging him, covering his eyes and blinding him, while directing Sindbad in the direction the Old Man wants to go. REH fans find this irritating to put it mildly.

  • Nov. 8, 2001, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Methinks some folks are a bit too attached to these books...

    by mad maximus

    Personally, I loved the movie to bits, in fact it inspired me to read just about every novel that was available<p>...For hte hardcores out there, please don&#39;t harp on the movie, if anything it introduced a lot of us into the world of Conan. What more could an author want? [/p]To a lesser extent, this almost ranks up there with the LOTR and SW fans who get upset that what they see on the screen doesn&#39;t match up with what is playing in their heads. Folks, give it a rest and enjoy the fact that someone cared enough to bring something wonderful to the screen.

  • Feb. 7, 2002, 11 a.m. CST

    Script needs work: please not another Kull, or Conan 2

    by pinxwong

    This script is weak and needs more directness, not flowery verbiage like in the embarassing deleted scene between Conan and Subotai in Conan the Barbarian. Example: Instead of responding to his son with "Even here where the wind is warm and smells of food and spice, where men wear silk and brocade and women wear little or nothing. Yes, he watches us in places like this." How about "Yes, Crom watches us in these...[cut to debauched men and women] civilized places." [feeling soiled, turns to son]

  • Feb. 7, 2002, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Somethng rotten in Aquilonia

    by RJones

    I&#39;d have to agree with both Galen and Ironhand on this. Apart from the name "Conan", it has nothing to do with Robert E. Howards character. At least De Camp, Jordan, and the other pastiche author&#39;s stuck to the continuity established by Howard. Milius strays so far out of bounds the ball should be called back! This script seems it has been influenced more so by the movie "Gladiator", (the animosity between Maximus and Comidorus) then anything REH could have created. Maybe this is an "Alternate Universe" Conan. Who knows. Besides how does anyone know this "script" is authentic? I didn&#39;t know Hollywood writers/producers were in the habit of handing their unfinished scripts out to the public before the film had even started rolling. Sounds pretty fishy here. And even if it was stolen and published on the web, wouldn&#39;t there be lawsuits? By the way. Love the site!

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Hey, Fanboys! Pay attention.

    by The Celt

    Those of you chuckleheads who think this newest shitbrain installment of Milius&#39;s version of Conan is Conan think again. Reading cheapshit Marvel comicbooks versions of the Cimmerian don&#39;t make you an expert. The only Conan was the one written about by Robert E. Howard. NO ONE seems to get that. Oh, it would be cool if someone did write novels, comic books, or screenplays that followed the groundwork for the character it would be ok, but the pastiches sucked, and so does Milius&#39;s script. It does not follow what Howard&#39;s Conan was about no more than the idiotic TV series did. Can you imagine if Jackson took the same liberties with LOTR that Milius is taking with Conan? Get a grip. Lane "What does not kill me makes me stanger."

  • Feb. 8, 2002, 10:37 a.m. CST

    REH

    by RJones

    Ok, we always get into this discussion. I agree with you, that NO ONE does Conan like REH. But a few have come close. What exactly is it that you do not like about the pastishes? Everything that has not come directly from the pen of Howard is a pastish. Even if they filmed the most glorious tribute to REH&#39;s Conan that any of us could ever hope for, it would still be a pastishe. Why is that so bad? Why Is it if you or Ironhand, or anyone would write their own Conan story out of love for the character, and the fun of it, it would automatically be only worthy of your hatred and scorn? I don&#39;t get it! What traumatic Conan event from your past has made you so bitter? Granted I don&#39;t like Milius&#39;s Conan, but if you pretend it&#39;s another character, they&#39;re not half bad flicks. (If you pretend it&#39;s not Conan)

  • Feb. 10, 2002, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Milius&#39;s conan was never the real conan

    by Alex011

    As much as I enjoyed the 82 movie. I did not enjoy it THAT much. It was way out there man. I have to agree with Galen, Ironhand, RJones, and The Celt. Hollywood&#39;s conan cannot hold a candle to the thought provoking and beautifuly written pen Of REH. Yeah I know, no movie is as good as any book. But in Conan the Barbarian&#39;s case (and it&#39;s looking like this new one as well) they didn&#39;t even come close. This is an old debate. But it needs to be told. Conan huddling to stay warm? Gimme a break! how about the total changing of REH&#39;s character by making him A Slave until his thirties and his total amazement upon his release? That ain&#39;t conan baby, Uh-Uh, no way. Milius butchered Howard&#39;s creation. sorry if I&#39;m being overly critical, the movies had some good parts,and I will go see this new movie. But until a real conan enthusiast get&#39;s his hands on Howard&#39;s bad boy, there will never be an authentic telling of his tales.

  • Feb. 14, 2002, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Conan should be depicted like his writer CREATED HIM to be.

    by Alex011

    Sure, LOTR had parts missing, but at least they kept it faithful to JRRT&#39;s ideas. Milius&#39;s CTB was a hodgepodge smorgasborg, incorporating some of the most climactic parts of REH stories, and getting them wrong, wrong, wrong. Please tell Milius to just do a little research. With today&#39;s information on the internet he has no excuse for being so lazy. My main problems with the CTB movie 1. Conan was never a slave THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE UPBRINGING. Howard&#39;s conan would have told those guys to piss off if they expected him to turn a wheel for 30 years. 2.One Vanir raiding party wipes out THE WHOLE CIMMERIAN RACE? what pathetic people in hollywood. Hey Beastmaster copied that one too. 3. Milius has conan groveling on the floor in front of Thulsa Doom&#39;s goons. He&#39;s not even chained. REH has made it clear many times how dangerous a wounded animal can be. I could go on, but I&#39;ll leave that for later. Hell I still got the old video cassette. It has it&#39;s moments. Conan should be depicted like his writer CREATED HIM. The spaghetti westerns with Clint Eastwood would be a good frame of reference for Milius.

  • April 2, 2002, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Conan Crown of Iron. King of the Barbarians.

    by KendosanMasters

    The movie will B great if the story does not get weakened by the WB&#39;s for 1 of their disposable reasons. That the Rock won&#39;t play S Conan that good, but I heard he will play S his son &#39;N that could B very sweat. I heard Conan has a bodyguard in the movie s well that adds 2 the story. The return of the archer (that never really left C below) is the right thought. The Destroyer movie that&#39;s a movie that really hit me hard the story sucked big time, the archer from the first movie had disappeared, but they replaced him with some people that made the movie even harder 2 watch. The scene where cannibals try 2 eat the wizard that made up some of it, but the rest of the movie just didn&#39;t fit the character. So I banned it from my thoughts &#39;N now it just doesn&#39;t exist anymore, in my mind anyways. If WB&#39;s should change the movie in a non-acceptable way they will cause much pain 2 my fragile lil&#39; head, that should B revenged. By all ya&#39;ll. Nice 2 know U.

  • April 2, 2002, 5:36 a.m. CST

    The Power of Blood

    by KendosanMasters

    We all know blood can make or break a movie. The only real Conan movie ever made contained some violent scenes, all agree? Well that&#39;s just not acceptable anymore. We need it 2 realistic so when U hit ones arm off we need 2 C bones stick out &#39;N a part of the muscles hang out just a lil&#39;. Ever thought about brave heart &#39;N gladiator (2 movies that show what happens if 1 is hit by a weapon), Conan(did this S well it&#39;s still good, accept 4 the close ups since they R none), Conan the Barbarian rules, at least until now since no1 can claim 2 do S much damage with a sword S he can. When the true sequel gets made, they better don&#39;t make it a movie 4 kids &#39;N American hypocrites, (even kids &#39;ll like it better, I know I would have). Conan I wish U luck since bloodlust is no strange thing 2 U. The best illness of it all. If WB&#39;s should change the movie in a non-acceptable way they will cause much pain 2 my fragile lil&#39; head, that should B revenged. By all ya&#39;ll. Nice 2 know U.

  • April 2, 2002, 6:14 a.m. CST

    4 all ya&#39;ll story freaks

    by KendosanMasters

    Why is it U want Conan &#39;N all other stories S a exact resemblance of a written story? First of all &#39;most stories Rn&#39;t that great story material if not altered in any way. Second look at the movie that has been based on a book more than the others Conan the Destroyer it sucked &#39;N so did the book though slightly better. Now what the point in makin&#39; a visual copy don&#39;t U have any fantasy of Ur own. A movie should make a fresh interpretation off a character &#39;N his story so U got something enjoyin&#39; 2 look at. True the movie&#39;d might have Bn better but then again it might have Bn worse like CTD (I really hate it.) I M happy some people have the guts 2 try &#39;N improve something so it will B possible rather it will B just filmed page by page, what will b the fun in that. U most understand, @ least try 2 understand that this isn&#39;t the Conan, rather the best Conan movie around, of course every movie has something U&#39;d like 2 alter in a way if U search long enough. Now how about this: 1 page in a book might contain a quarter of movie material, how&#39;d U ever make a movie of a whole book and all the other S U call &#39;em true stories. There R no true stories in fantasy only those that R well written &#39;N have interesting events in it. I agree 1 becomes the main story, but it does not say it will always have 2 B that way a more skilled (it&#39;s hard 2 believe) writer may arrive. Usually this does not happen because writers just make their own character or story. I hope I&#39;ve helped U 2 understand more about Fantasy &#39;N it&#39;s movies. If not my troubles R in vain. If WB&#39;s should change the movie in a non-acceptable way they will cause much pain 2 my fragile lil&#39; head, that should B revenged. By all ya&#39;ll. Nice 2 know U.

  • May 7, 2003, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Conan is the Sexiest Tomboy Beanpole on the Planet

    by King Priam

    Bring back Ahhnold!

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Three Years Later and I Still Remember This Story

    by Drath

    Of all the...I'll call them "editorials" here at AICN, I still remember this one like yesturday and still feel a great sadness that KING CONAN will most likely never get made now that Arnold, already aging, is looking to being the governor of California. I can't get too caught up in waiting for this one, I waited 16 years for the Star Wars prequels only to be let down by the movie and then almost losing my father the night I saw it. Talk about god tapping you on the shoulder and saying "it's JUST a movie." But I'll always be sorry the Conan series Milius started (admittedly different from the Howard stories) will remain confined the first movie, and that cartoony sequel Conan the Destroyer.

  • Sept. 4, 2003, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Having an easy number like 10000 helps

    by matrix_sux

  • May 10, 2005, 10:49 a.m. CST

    You Won't Believe This...

    by Darth Busey

    ...but Arnold is the fucking governor of Cahl-ee-for-nee-ya. Good times.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    yeah, and sucking at it

    by finky089

    glad I didn't vote for him. Too bad he's also made a Terminator 3. The Future never lies!

  • Jan. 13, 2008, 5:35 p.m. CST

    And look how it ended.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Milius is out and the two cunts responsible for "Sahara" will be shitting out a remake of the first "Conan" instead. That's how much the world improved in only six years.

  • May 12, 2008, 1:32 a.m. CST

    This week's sign of the Apocalypse.

    by thebearovingian

    Back in August of 2001. Good news, everybody! It hasn't happened yet! Live for a while and have some success!

  • July 2, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Last!!! Until Tomorrow . . .

    by kevinwillis.net

    But, for now, I savor this fleeting victory.

  • Feb. 5, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Ahem

    by orcus

    A patented Orcus "Fuck You" to you sir

  • April 8, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Oddly Orcus is reading the Conan Stories now

    by orcus

    Theres a sweet compendium of all of REH stuff now.

  • June 12, 2009, 9:33 a.m. CST

    In the Future...

    by orcus

    41381

  • March 29, 2010, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Dude, fuck you

    by orcus

  • June 25, 2010, 6:38 a.m. CST

    yeah TmvEqK

    by just pillow talk

    Stick your little pee-pee in a socked and sing the star spangled banner.

  • June 25, 2010, 6:38 a.m. CST

    doh!

    by just pillow talk

    socket<p>Soooo...take that TmvEqK, you drippy little whore!

  • July 20, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST

    New Conan Movie Coming

    by kevinwillis.net

    Looks boring right now.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Conan an his politally correct friends

    by orcus

    Which was the cartoon

  • Aug. 23, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    yup, looks like shit

    by just pillow talk

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Dude!

    by orcus

    Haven't seen you in a while

  • Dec. 8, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Jeez this is ugly

    by orcus

  • May 31, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Geez this site blows like a two bit whore

    by jpt

  • June 12, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST

    What do you get for 3 bits then?

    by orcus

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