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Moriarty Remembers, Remembers V FOR VENDETTA!!

Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...






It’s been interesting to sit silently on the sidelines for this one so far, having seen it at Butt-Numb-A-Thon with everyone who rushed here to AICN to sing hosannahs about this “revolutionary” motion picture that would “change the world,” and also paying close attention to the brewing controversy so articulately summed up by a reviewer on the Liberty Film Festival site, who I know has also seen the film.

I haven’t written about it yet because... I just haven’t. Other things took priority. It’s not coming out until March, so it’s not like I missed anything. This past weekend, it finally started screening for the public at WonderCon in San Francisco and at the Berlin Film Festival. That odd dichotomy should say a lot about what kind of film this is. It’ll play well at a serious festival like South by Southwest, certainly, but it’s also perfect for the New York Comic-Con, where it’s showing as well. Publications like THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER and VANITY FAIR have flipped for the movie, while VARIETY dismissed it and took the opportunity to fire off a few more shots at the MATRIX trilogy for good measure. Finally, audiences are getting their first chances to decide for themselves what they think about this provocative film from writer/producers Andy and Larry Wachowski, directed by James McTeigue, and adapted (loosely or succinctly, depending on who you talk to) from the work of Alan Moore and David Lloyd.

Before we even begin, I want to address the elephant in the room and say that anyone who thinks this film is just a simplistic attack on conservative America is missing the point. I’m sure that right now, being on one side of the wall or the other in the polemic war that’s been simmering ever since Bush took office must make it incredibly difficult to see something outside the narrow prism of current political metaphor, but not everything that has a political opinion is, in fact, about Bush. There is imagery in this film that refers to our present, but just as much refers to our past and even a hypothetical future.

Alan Moore’s book, and this movie, are larger than any simple direct political targets, though. They are instead a reminder of how fascism works, and if the conservatives in this country are going to get upset about that, then perhaps they need to examine their own agenda. Are you a fascist? No? Well, then the movie’s probably not directly about you. Remember when the source material was written... Margaret Thatcher is a more direct political target in terms of the origins of this story than Bush is. And there are many other real-world parallels that find their way into the film that have nothing to do with any current administration anywhere. And remember... the Wachowskis first started trying to adapt this and get it produced well before Bush took office.

All of that is real world business, stuff that some people will choose to carry into the theater with them, and maybe you’ll even argue that you can’t help but carry that baggage into the theater. I would argue back that anytime you do that, you’re limiting your own ability to enjoy or even understand a film. Yes, THE CRUCIBLE was written as a direct reaction to McCarthy and the Hollywood blacklist, but the reason THE CRUCIBLE will endure is because it’s a potent piece about any situation where mass hysteria and crowd thinking gets out of hand, and will always be accurate in terms of the way people relate. It’s great writing.

The original Alan Moore/David Lloyd book is pretty damn great in its own right. It’s not the best thing Moore ever wrote, and it’s pretty obvious that it’s early in his career. It’s a major turning point for him as an artist, I think. It is to Moore what RUBBER SOUL is to the Beatles. I’m sure there are people who think RUBBER SOUL is their best record, and I’d never argue against it, but I think more people would say SGT. PEPPER or even THE WHITE ALBUM are their masterworks, so maybe it’s WATCHMEN or FROM HELL that you prefer. V FOR VENDETTA works because of how much Moore and Lloyd believe in the world that they’ve created, a fascist England where freedom was traded for a stifling, artificial safety, and because it focuses on particular characters in a particular situation.

Calling the fears that V FOR VENDETTA articulates “left-wing” or “liberal” is rather limiting, and limited. I’m sure no one anywhere ever believes that they would be capable of survival and conformity in a world where fascism is acceptable, the norm. No one wants to believe they’d be capable of having been a “good German” during WWII. No one wants to think they’d allow something like that to happen. But it can. Of course it can. And it has and it will. And that’s why a film like this resonates. This is about the way any monolith that wants to control a nation treats its people, the way they are dehumanized, the way their spirits can be broken, and the way they are treated as less than human by the ruling class. V FOR VENDETTA makes personal that process of dehumanization in such a powerful way that I can’t imagine resisting it. Especially since Evey, the central character in both the book and the film, is brought to vivid life by Natalie Portman, doing arguably her best work since THE PROFESSIONAL.

So. All of that is precursor. Let’s get down to the actual film, and let’s put everything else aside. Let’s put aside comparisons to the book. Let’s put aside real-world politics. Let’s just discuss it as a movie.

As a movie, I think it’s pretty good. I think it’s got moments of greatness, and I think it also misses some of the opportunites that it sets up. Overall, I think it’s a potent piece of SF that fits neatly into a tradition of films like PLANET OF THE APES and THE OMEGA MAN, movies that wear their earnest metaphors on their sleeves, totally obvious. It’s lushly photographed by Adrian Biddle, his last film, and it’s got a great hyper-real look and feel thanks to the production design of Owen Paterson and Martin Walsh’s ultra-slick editing. The score by Dario Marianelli is particularly good, effective and memorable.

What makes the film work, though, isn’t the SF setting or the look or the buckets of money that have obviously been spent on it. Nope. What makes it work is the fact that we have here something that we rarely see in SF films these days... a movie about ideas over action, character over special effects, and emotion over action.

Y’know... like THE MATRIX.

I’m sure there will be a lot of speculation about just how much control the Wachowskis really had over the film, and I’m equally willing to bet we’ll see a whole lot of “McTeigue didn’t really direct this” comments, and this will probably end up being the new POLTERGEIST in terms of a director being disrespected or ignored in favor of the producer, but without actually having been on-set for the whole shoot, it’s kind of hard to say who did what. McTeigue is indeed the credited director, and it’s a really accomplished bit of filmmaking for someone’s first time out. It’s obvious that the creative influence of the Wachowskis can be felt in every frame of the film, and that this is of a piece with their MATRIX films in terms of production value. It feels like the logical next step fro them, and it will fit neatly into their filmographies when people look back at their careers. Many of the things that concern them the most as writers are on display here, and it helps that Hugo Weaving gives voice to V.

There are two performances that have to work if V FOR VENDETTA is going to deliver. The first is Evey, and as I said before, Natalie Portman does really nice work here. I know that James Purefoy was replaced during production, and that Hugo Weaving stepped in to play V. I’m not sure how much of what we see onscreen is Weaving, but the voice is his throughout, and he’s wonderful, commanding and playful and sad and angry in equal measure. He has the incredibly difficult task of never once showing his face, but still having to give a nuanced and subtle performance as a human being, and not just a mask. As with the book, the emotional highlight of the film is an extended sequence in which Evey is captured by the government, held for weeks, and tortured in an effort to get information from her about the identity and location of V. It’s translated to the screen almost word for word from the book, beat for beat, and it’s even more powerful than I expected it to be. It also serves as one of the most succinct and beautiful summations of what torture is meant to do and how it can be withstood that exists in any film.

So why am I not raving about the movie the way many of the BNAT attendees were in December? Why didn’t I make it a part of my “best of the year” list like Harry did?

Because this film is so heavy on the metaphor, there are places where I think it disconnects from real human experience, and that bothered me. I also think it has an easy third act. There’s never really any danger that V will not accomplish his goals, because he seems to be omnipotent and magic, able to do anything, be anywhere, and ignore whatever laws of physics he feels like. There are a few action sequences where there’s a sort of next-step-bullet-time effect that’s used to show the movement of knives through the air that seem unnecessary. This isn’t an action film, and in a way, the few action scenes that are included sort of stop the show cold.

Having said that, I would still recommend this to anyone who wants to see SF treated with respect, or who has wondered when we would finally see a film capture the precise flavor of an Alan Moore book. Even though this film take liberties with the narrative, it works overtime to maintain the same ideas that the book tried to express, and it’s sort of incredible that this is being released by a studio as huge as Warner Bros.

Just remember... conservatives aren’t fascists, and liberals aren’t hippies or pinkos, and it is possible to watch and even enjoy a film that deals with political themes without having to agree with every single idea in it. I don’t think V FOR VENDETTA is going to change the world. I don’t think it’s going to cause any sort of revolution. I don’t think this film will even set off a major debate in the media. I do think that it will provide potent fodder for conversation to anyone who approaches it with an open mind, though, and that alone makes it worthwhile.

I’ve been down with a particularly nasty stomach virus for a little while, so everything I was working on got waylaid. I’m starting to get up and around, so keep your eyes peeled for the real return of the DVD SHELF and some new reviews for both films and, yes, scripts. Also, get ready for a series of special articles and surprises all designed to help celebrate the tenth anniversary of AICN, all starting soon. 2006 is going to be a great year here at the site, and I look forward to sharing it with all of you. Until then...

"Moriarty" out.





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Happy Valentines Day AICN
by John-Locke
Feb 14th, 2006
07:21:58 PM
Thank Xenu for Moriarty!
by chrth
Feb 14th, 2006
07:22:53 PM
Drew, I guess the real question is: *spoilers?*
by chrth
Feb 14th, 2006
07:24:31 PM
Kelli Kapowski is my Valentine.
by MasterWhedon
Feb 14th, 2006
07:27:56 PM
About The Army
by TheRealMoriarty
Feb 14th, 2006
07:29:12 PM
Thanks Drew
by chrth
Feb 14th, 2006
07:32:39 PM
great review
by Sir Loin
Feb 14th, 2006
07:33:55 PM
And the vanishing review reappears
by Meremoth
Feb 14th, 2006
07:34:44 PM
umm
by conniebrean
Feb 14th, 2006
07:36:05 PM
V is liberalism
by MrD
Feb 14th, 2006
07:42:12 PM
One thing people need to keep in mind
by chrth
Feb 14th, 2006
07:48:50 PM
facism in literature
by adambalm
Feb 14th, 2006
07:49:11 PM
"remember, remember, the 30th of june...."
by jig98
Feb 14th, 2006
07:49:37 PM
C is for Conservative
by KCMOSHer
Feb 14th, 2006
07:49:47 PM
That's some great reviewin'
by Dr. Meirschultz
Feb 14th, 2006
07:52:28 PM
"Pretty great..."
by Bean_
Feb 14th, 2006
08:12:28 PM
The Rubber Soul analogy
by Rasputin77
Feb 14th, 2006
08:13:38 PM
that song?
by DennisMM
Feb 14th, 2006
08:17:01 PM
God, that Libertas article's author is blind.
by iamnicksaicnsn
Feb 14th, 2006
08:21:15 PM
Norwegian wood was awesome.
by AwesomeBillFunk
Feb 14th, 2006
08:23:27 PM
that's funny
by teddanson37
Feb 14th, 2006
08:24:51 PM
Look, this flick is amazing. And if it is revolutionar
by iamnicksaicnsn
Feb 14th, 2006
08:30:24 PM
Pre-Bush Culture Clash
by Dave Bowman
Feb 14th, 2006
08:58:15 PM
No, not that song
by Dr. Meirschultz
Feb 14th, 2006
09:00:55 PM
"...to see SF treated with respect"
by Tubbs Tattsyrup
Feb 14th, 2006
09:17:01 PM
NOTHING can forgive Revolutions
by performingmonkey
Feb 14th, 2006
09:28:30 PM
McWeeny Props
by Mafu
Feb 14th, 2006
09:42:20 PM
"Governments should be afraid of their people"
by Terry_1978
Feb 14th, 2006
09:42:44 PM
Saw this at BNAT...
by Vegiterrorist
Feb 14th, 2006
10:03:45 PM
V Is For...
by Trik
Feb 14th, 2006
10:19:07 PM
"Conservatives aren't fascists"? You're kidding me!
by The Wrong Guy
Feb 14th, 2006
10:20:01 PM
WTF?
by Againtoday
Feb 14th, 2006
10:20:43 PM
TO ALL THE HATERS
by THE KNIGHT
Feb 14th, 2006
10:41:37 PM
V is for Voice
by Omega Effect
Feb 14th, 2006
10:49:27 PM
mori
by blackthought
Feb 14th, 2006
11:16:41 PM
I didn't read any of the
by blackwood
Feb 14th, 2006
11:20:46 PM
"McTeigue didn
by Eric79
Feb 14th, 2006
11:23:26 PM
V blog
by disneyr
Feb 14th, 2006
11:38:55 PM

by Rupee88
Feb 14th, 2006
11:43:50 PM
nice little review
by Rupee88
Feb 14th, 2006
11:45:08 PM
"I know V is not going to cause a revolution"
by Windowlicker74
Feb 15th, 2006
12:03:49 AM
No way I'm gonna pay for a civics lesson from a tranny
by Silver Shamrock
Feb 15th, 2006
12:24:53 AM
So, uh.....Moriarty?
by MattCG
Feb 15th, 2006
12:36:00 AM
Said it before, I'll say it again:
by Zeke25:17
Feb 15th, 2006
12:41:38 AM
Literally - 957 Words Before the Review...
by hipcheck13
Feb 15th, 2006
12:46:24 AM
Matrix Revolutions = b-Side of the US "Help" cassette
by Dataset
Feb 15th, 2006
01:17:54 AM
Hell yeah the Matrix sequels rocked Zeke 25:17
by castaway
Feb 15th, 2006
01:28:17 AM
Yeah, I loved all three of the Matrix Trilogy, too...
by kintar0
Feb 15th, 2006
01:36:41 AM
Silver Shamrock already called him a tranny
by crazyeyezkillah
Feb 15th, 2006
01:42:17 AM
F for Freschetta
by Shermdawg
Feb 15th, 2006
01:49:47 AM
Liberal propaganda films lke this are a dime a dozen.
by acroyear77
Feb 15th, 2006
01:52:04 AM
Troll propaganda posts lke this are a dime a dozen
by Saluki
Feb 15th, 2006
02:31:58 AM
How is this movie provocative?
by Stollentroll
Feb 15th, 2006
03:39:31 AM
I is for I AM NUMBER ONE!!!!!! whatever he he
by IamNumber1
Feb 15th, 2006
04:11:09 AM
I is for I AM NUMBER ONE!!!!!! whatever he he
by IamNumber1
Feb 15th, 2006
04:12:01 AM
THE CRUCIBLE
by BannedOnTheRun
Feb 15th, 2006
05:59:32 AM
"There
by newc0253
Feb 15th, 2006
07:15:52 AM
I used to hate Matrix Revolutions
by chrth
Feb 15th, 2006
07:36:30 AM
BTW, those criticizing Moriarty's intro to his review
by chrth
Feb 15th, 2006
07:38:02 AM
The following are teh suk:
by Teh Suk
Feb 15th, 2006
07:41:47 AM
Excelent Review
by Brock Samson
Feb 15th, 2006
07:54:40 AM
I am SO ready for this movie...
by danowen
Feb 15th, 2006
07:57:30 AM
McTeigue
by NuteG
Feb 15th, 2006
08:05:09 AM
B for Bruschetta
by Barriwhite
Feb 15th, 2006
08:09:03 AM
I'm with you on the Matrix flicks, Zeke25:17
by Trazadone
Feb 15th, 2006
08:13:18 AM
Yeah, sure, the Crucible is crap.
by FluffyUnbound
Feb 15th, 2006
08:24:57 AM
Mori - very good job.
by genro
Feb 15th, 2006
08:33:27 AM
The Crucible
by UncleEthan
Feb 15th, 2006
08:38:16 AM
hmmmm.....
by occams_razor
Feb 15th, 2006
08:39:27 AM
What I see from Mori's review...
by genro
Feb 15th, 2006
08:41:06 AM
V for Vendetta
by Phimseto
Feb 15th, 2006
08:52:27 AM
see phimesto, you made the mistake...
by Cameron1
Feb 15th, 2006
09:21:16 AM
Another great review by Moriarty compared
by CurryIce
Feb 15th, 2006
09:28:24 AM
Cinematic fear mongering?
by gboybama
Feb 15th, 2006
09:42:36 AM
any monolith that wants to control a nation
by jorson2
Feb 15th, 2006
09:54:03 AM
another solid review from mori
by mikey mike
Feb 15th, 2006
10:18:54 AM
It's gonna be funny...
by Orionsangels
Feb 15th, 2006
10:23:26 AM
Wait... the Wachowskis DIDN'T direct this?
by Spike Fett
Feb 15th, 2006
10:23:27 AM
MORIARITY - Good review, but you're wrong on one thing
by Dagan
Feb 15th, 2006
10:24:30 AM
"As a movie. its pretty good."
by calami-shami
Feb 15th, 2006
10:24:40 AM
Wow lets make this film larger than it is...
by Orionsangels
Feb 15th, 2006
10:28:38 AM
re:"It IS a big deal, therefore, when your opponents...
by Lord Asriel
Feb 15th, 2006
10:30:15 AM
I've always been a "Revolver"-era Beatles fan myself
by IAmLegolas
Feb 15th, 2006
10:30:27 AM
Oh, and Jon Stewart isn't a leftist.
by Lord Asriel
Feb 15th, 2006
10:32:50 AM
I still think all movies based on Alan Moore books....
by DOGSOUP
Feb 15th, 2006
10:42:51 AM
Lord Asriel - Yes, that's what it's trying to say
by Dagan
Feb 15th, 2006
10:43:09 AM
jorson2:
by Lord Asriel
Feb 15th, 2006
10:43:51 AM
John Stewart is certainly a left-wing commentator
by Dagan
Feb 15th, 2006
10:47:11 AM
Have you seen the film Dagan?
by Lord Asriel
Feb 15th, 2006
10:47:55 AM
Stewart himself says he isn't a political commentator..
by Lord Asriel
Feb 15th, 2006
10:50:38 AM
The reason people bring up fascism instead of communism
by Rant Breath
Feb 15th, 2006
11:06:36 AM
I'm never shocked...
by Jar Jar 4 Prez
Feb 15th, 2006
11:12:11 AM
I almost forgot to mention...
by Jar Jar 4 Prez
Feb 15th, 2006
11:15:23 AM
Ah. I see...
by kingsgambit
Feb 15th, 2006
11:21:20 AM
The Daily Show
by Dagan
Feb 15th, 2006
11:26:30 AM
C for Vendetta
by mlkncheezy
Feb 15th, 2006
11:35:15 AM
dagan
by Cod Profundity
Feb 15th, 2006
11:38:39 AM
moviemack, dagan
by occams_razor
Feb 15th, 2006
11:50:55 AM
The "Coalition of the Willing"
by Immortal_Fish
Feb 15th, 2006
11:55:56 AM
I have to ask...
by Lord Asriel
Feb 15th, 2006
12:01:56 PM
Alien 3 Script by William Gibson
by GrammarPolice
Feb 15th, 2006
12:08:27 PM
A is for Ambiguous
by kevinwillis.net
Feb 15th, 2006
12:13:33 PM
To Lord Asriel
by jorson2
Feb 15th, 2006
12:28:37 PM
jorson2
by Lord Asriel
Feb 15th, 2006
12:31:07 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again
by chrth
Feb 15th, 2006
12:44:01 PM
Moviemack = Generation Dumbass
by Mr Nice Gaius
Feb 15th, 2006
12:53:02 PM
Doesn't matter, Moviemackles...
by Mr Nice Gaius
Feb 15th, 2006
01:13:48 PM
1984
by UncleEthan
Feb 15th, 2006
01:29:57 PM
eschew witchcraft!
by mocky_puppet
Feb 15th, 2006
01:40:37 PM
Huh
by UncleEthan
Feb 15th, 2006
01:51:25 PM
Here We Go Again
by NeoCon
Feb 15th, 2006
01:52:06 PM
of course with a name like NeoCon you're not...
by Lord Asriel
Feb 15th, 2006
01:56:10 PM
Guilty as Charged
by NeoCon
Feb 15th, 2006
02:03:17 PM
And what do we do with witches???
by Mr Nice Gaius
Feb 15th, 2006
02:03:47 PM
Yeah, no debate, right
by Cerebud
Feb 15th, 2006
02:04:19 PM
daily show = liberal??
by K|LLDOZER
Feb 15th, 2006
02:07:08 PM
McTeigue didn
by seppukudkurosawa
Feb 15th, 2006
02:13:53 PM
True Conservatives DESPISE Government!!!
by Thunderballs
Feb 15th, 2006
02:15:03 PM
There are fascists on BOTH SIDES
by Shaner Jedi
Feb 15th, 2006
02:16:19 PM
Subtlety
by AmirReza
Feb 15th, 2006
02:18:41 PM
thunderball, you said you were ok with ethnic cleansing
by Cameron1
Feb 15th, 2006
02:20:32 PM
Stewart makes fun of whoever is in power
by Thunderballs
Feb 15th, 2006
02:22:07 PM
AmirReza, well said sir.
by Lord Asriel
Feb 15th, 2006
02:23:37 PM
um no thunderballs, Stewart makes fun of who's in power
by Lord Asriel
Feb 15th, 2006
02:25:29 PM
Harry's at theonion.com!
by Jonesey1111
Feb 15th, 2006
02:28:30 PM
Amire Reza
by Shaner Jedi
Feb 15th, 2006
02:29:35 PM
Jon Stewart Admitted He Was opposing Bush!
by NeoCon
Feb 15th, 2006
02:30:40 PM
Hey Cameron1, find where I said that.
by Thunderballs
Feb 15th, 2006
02:31:33 PM
Oh, Good Lord, Thunderballs
by kevinwillis.net
Feb 15th, 2006
02:35:18 PM
Thunderballs, you are right about one thing
by Shaner Jedi
Feb 15th, 2006
02:38:07 PM
Who's worried about Jon Stewart kevinwillis.net?
by Thunderballs
Feb 15th, 2006
02:40:34 PM
Actually Jon Stewart
by Shaner Jedi
Feb 15th, 2006
02:41:39 PM
Hey Jedi, You mixed up your Clarks
by NeoCon
Feb 15th, 2006
02:44:43 PM
Shaner Jedi---RIGHT ON!!!
by Thunderballs
Feb 15th, 2006
02:44:53 PM
Re: Shaner Jedi
by AmirReza
Feb 15th, 2006
02:45:45 PM
Thunderballs is obviously a parody troll.
by FluffyUnbound
Feb 15th, 2006
02:46:45 PM
"the only source of real criticism for the government."
by Thunderballs
Feb 15th, 2006
02:47:52 PM
parody troll? what's that?
by Thunderballs
Feb 15th, 2006
02:48:34 PM
it was the why we fight talkback thunderballs.
by Cameron1
Feb 15th, 2006
02:53:45 PM
Look, liberals have a near monopoly in Hollywood
by cantankerous
Feb 15th, 2006
02:57:53 PM
Re: McTeigue didn’t really direct this
by NuteG
Feb 15th, 2006
02:58:19 PM
V anti-Bush?
by McCroskey
Feb 15th, 2006
02:59:46 PM
NuteG
by seppukudkurosawa
Feb 15th, 2006
03:06:34 PM
Daily Show and John Stewart
by McCroskey
Feb 15th, 2006
03:11:51 PM
Jon Stewart is...
by Christopher3
Feb 15th, 2006
03:17:40 PM
Media Fairyland by Monbiot
by Cod Profundity
Feb 15th, 2006
03:18:22 PM
What about the dialogue?
by McCroskey
Feb 15th, 2006
03:20:19 PM
Neo Con,
by Shaner Jedi
Feb 15th, 2006
03:22:32 PM
Media ownership
by Shaner Jedi
Feb 15th, 2006
03:30:11 PM
RE: Fairyland
by NeoCon
Feb 15th, 2006
03:37:09 PM
"Hey Cameron1, find where I said that."
by DocPazuzu
Feb 15th, 2006
03:45:01 PM
Good comeback Cameron1!!!
by Thunderballs
Feb 15th, 2006
03:45:51 PM
Yes DocPazuzu---GIVE ME MORE ATTENTION, I LOVE IT!!!!
by Thunderballs
Feb 15th, 2006
03:50:06 PM
Trying to twist Rathergate
by cantankerous
Feb 15th, 2006
03:50:57 PM
see I already said; in the why we fight talkback
by Cameron1
Feb 15th, 2006
03:52:43 PM
see those little numbers in the piece?
by Cod Profundity
Feb 15th, 2006
03:54:45 PM
Evidence??
by NeoCon
Feb 15th, 2006
04:04:46 PM
I'd judt like you to try and refute the specific..
by Cod Profundity
Feb 15th, 2006
04:09:07 PM
Pazuzu vs. Thunderballs
by Jonesey1111
Feb 15th, 2006
04:09:43 PM
Shaner Jedi is of the true faith
by UncleEthan
Feb 15th, 2006
04:17:42 PM
witchcraft breeds strife.
by mocky_puppet
Feb 15th, 2006
04:20:04 PM
"I love the attention, keep giving me more of it."
by DocPazuzu
Feb 15th, 2006
04:22:09 PM
people hate...endings...hero dies...laced with sadness
by DarthCorleone
Feb 15th, 2006
04:22:11 PM
Shaner Jedi
by UncleEthan
Feb 15th, 2006
04:22:55 PM
I'll Take A Pass on "V"
by NeoCon
Feb 15th, 2006
04:33:44 PM
Watch it Uncle Ethan!!!!
by Thunderballs
Feb 15th, 2006
04:36:22 PM
"Need I say more?"
by DocPazuzu
Feb 15th, 2006
04:39:31 PM
Thunderballs logic is as bad as Dick Cheney's aim
by Rant Breath
Feb 15th, 2006
04:42:09 PM
Ronnie Reagan and Thatcher were corporate puppets too
by Rant Breath
Feb 15th, 2006
04:47:48 PM
re My lack of a moral compass.
by DocPazuzu
Feb 15th, 2006
04:48:27 PM
NeoCons?
by Lord Asriel
Feb 15th, 2006
04:48:52 PM
Neocons....
by Shaner Jedi
Feb 15th, 2006
05:06:50 PM
Rant Breath
by Shaner Jedi
Feb 15th, 2006
05:12:37 PM
V For Vendetta...
by DocPazuzu
Feb 15th, 2006
05:22:32 PM
Not...
by DocPazuzu
Feb 15th, 2006
05:25:09 PM
You people urging "caution and restraint" for V
by Immortal_Fish
Feb 15th, 2006
05:43:20 PM
And about the DAILY SHOW
by Immortal_Fish
Feb 15th, 2006
05:47:06 PM
Shaner Jedi
by Rant Breath
Feb 15th, 2006
06:11:33 PM
Who cares if Jon Stewart is a liberal?
by Rant Breath
Feb 15th, 2006
06:15:51 PM
You know, I've been monitoring this site for 4 years...
by filmicdrummer17
Feb 15th, 2006
06:25:09 PM
V for Vendetta.....
by DuncanDisorderly
Feb 15th, 2006
06:32:44 PM
The Religion of Peace
by McCroskey
Feb 15th, 2006
06:52:43 PM
Saying V for Vendetta is only about revenge
by Rant Breath
Feb 15th, 2006
06:57:09 PM
Remember when the Matrix trilogy was going to be good?
by Some Dude
Feb 15th, 2006
07:03:39 PM
citizen kane IS only about a sled.
by mocky_puppet
Feb 15th, 2006
07:06:05 PM
It's gonna be funny...
by Saluki
Feb 15th, 2006
07:06:05 PM
You know...
by Jonesey1111
Feb 15th, 2006
07:17:58 PM

by MarlboroMan
Feb 15th, 2006
08:17:02 PM
On Jon Stewart hosting the Oscars.....
by Doc_Strange
Feb 15th, 2006
08:25:07 PM
This is the biggest farce
by MarlboroMan
Feb 15th, 2006
08:25:24 PM
HARRY made fun of in THE ONION this week
by George Newman
Feb 15th, 2006
09:04:27 PM
HARRY made fun of in THE ONION this week
by George Newman
Feb 15th, 2006
09:07:13 PM
So lame,
by George Newman
Feb 15th, 2006
09:08:34 PM
So as long as we are not as bad as Russia under Stalin
by hst666
Feb 15th, 2006
10:17:02 PM
Jon Stewart *is* funny!
by Immortal_Fish
Feb 15th, 2006
10:26:10 PM
Mebbe you don't scour much TB, filmicdrummer17
by Immortal_Fish
Feb 15th, 2006
10:28:51 PM
nice review
by Exterminans
Feb 15th, 2006
11:01:07 PM
Definitions
by Jack Parsons
Feb 15th, 2006
11:37:26 PM
What is fascism?
by Immortal_Fish
Feb 15th, 2006
11:46:39 PM
Rant Breath---torture works
by Thunderballs
Feb 15th, 2006
11:53:41 PM
Jack, "George Bush is not, in any way, a conservative"
by Immortal_Fish
Feb 15th, 2006
11:56:48 PM
Immortal Fish---stop using facts man!!!
by Thunderballs
Feb 15th, 2006
11:57:47 PM
Immortal Fish---you know Bush stole the election!
by Thunderballs
Feb 16th, 2006
12:02:17 AM
Political correctness is not fascism
by Rant Breath
Feb 16th, 2006
12:05:13 AM
Thunderballs, torture is un-American
by Rant Breath
Feb 16th, 2006
12:41:21 AM
A pedophile thinks child sex laws are oppressive...
by Rant Breath
Feb 16th, 2006
01:32:37 AM
Jesus, you guys never learn...
by iamnicksaicnsn
Feb 16th, 2006
01:39:01 AM
And as for Poltical Correctness. It's about respect.
by iamnicksaicnsn
Feb 16th, 2006
01:46:11 AM
NOT ALL MUSLIMS WANT CHRISTIANS DEAD!
by iamnicksaicnsn
Feb 16th, 2006
01:50:22 AM
When did this Talkback deform into a political debate?
by Doc_Strange
Feb 16th, 2006
01:56:32 AM
Clearly the solution is Publicly Financed Elections
by iamnicksaicnsn
Feb 16th, 2006
02:00:49 AM
Doc...
by TheRealMoriarty
Feb 16th, 2006
02:30:02 AM
anchorite
by DocPazuzu
Feb 16th, 2006
03:35:23 AM
Furthermore, anchorite...
by DocPazuzu
Feb 16th, 2006
03:40:39 AM
Political Correctness can't equate to fascism..
by Lord Asriel
Feb 16th, 2006
05:27:11 AM
seppukudkurosawa
by NuteG
Feb 16th, 2006
07:27:57 AM
Lord Asriel makes a good point.
by FluffyUnbound
Feb 16th, 2006
07:29:41 AM
NuteG
by seppukudkurosawa
Feb 16th, 2006
07:36:58 AM
Swine in the pig-pen
by seppukudkurosawa
Feb 16th, 2006
07:43:59 AM
While in essence correct...
by DocPazuzu
Feb 16th, 2006
08:05:52 AM
Most inaccurate quote of all time...
by Elmore Rigby
Feb 16th, 2006
08:16:05 AM
Fluffy, that was very interesting.
by Lord Asriel
Feb 16th, 2006
08:24:07 AM
I wish that was what PC was about, Asriel.
by FluffyUnbound
Feb 16th, 2006
09:07:01 AM
Mory...
by Redrockmullet
Feb 16th, 2006
09:17:29 AM
To Lord Asriel + Moriarty is Right???
by jorson2
Feb 16th, 2006
09:33:12 AM
fluffy and jorson2
by Lord Asriel
Feb 16th, 2006
09:46:34 AM
Lord Asriel
by jorson2
Feb 16th, 2006
10:01:30 AM
I am one of the few...
by tango fett
Feb 16th, 2006
10:19:49 AM
your post wasn't confusing, jorson2
by Lord Asriel
Feb 16th, 2006
10:32:53 AM
Moriarty
by Orionsangels
Feb 16th, 2006
10:55:04 AM
This was posted about a week ago...
by Mr. Shhhh
Feb 16th, 2006
11:10:30 AM
I don't know about this movie
by quadrupletree
Feb 16th, 2006
12:24:39 PM
Tyranny of Good Intentions.........Rant Breath
by Shaner Jedi
Feb 16th, 2006
12:25:49 PM
Rant Breath - Liberals who love ultra-violence....
by Thunderballs
Feb 16th, 2006
12:39:29 PM
seppukudkurosawa
by NuteG
Feb 16th, 2006
12:57:51 PM
By Thunderballs' logic...
by DocPazuzu
Feb 16th, 2006
01:23:25 PM
In Thunderballs' world...
by DocPazuzu
Feb 16th, 2006
01:28:05 PM
Well put anchorite!
by Orionsangels
Feb 16th, 2006
01:50:27 PM
What you Bush fans don't seem to realize...
by DocPazuzu
Feb 16th, 2006
02:01:49 PM
Just for the record. I'm not a Bush fan...
by Orionsangels
Feb 16th, 2006
02:19:56 PM
I've got a very cunning plan!
by seppukudkurosawa
Feb 16th, 2006
02:43:51 PM
REPUBLICANS CAN'T GOVERN
by admkirk
Feb 16th, 2006
02:46:57 PM
Conservative Love Fest
by admkirk
Feb 16th, 2006
02:52:12 PM
DocPazuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzz
by Thunderballs
Feb 16th, 2006
03:08:35 PM
Thundy, baby...
by DocPazuzu
Feb 16th, 2006
03:37:17 PM
Ummm.....
by KurosawaDisciple
Feb 16th, 2006
03:39:01 PM
Thunderballs...
by Mr Nice Gaius
Feb 16th, 2006
03:45:17 PM
Didn't you know, Mr. Nice Gaius?
by DocPazuzu
Feb 16th, 2006
03:58:48 PM
anchorite
by DocPazuzu
Feb 16th, 2006
04:07:01 PM
DocPaz
by Mr Nice Gaius
Feb 16th, 2006
04:19:05 PM
V was not liberal
by Right Bastard
Feb 16th, 2006
04:23:18 PM
anchorite
by DocPazuzu
Feb 16th, 2006
04:29:26 PM
WWII---different type of Liberal back then
by Thunderballs
Feb 16th, 2006
04:36:03 PM
The name is MR. NICE GAIUS Thunderballs
by Mr Nice Gaius
Feb 16th, 2006
04:40:25 PM
Nice gauisa? What?
by Orionsangels
Feb 16th, 2006
04:44:20 PM
"different type of Liberal back then"
by DocPazuzu
Feb 16th, 2006
04:44:29 PM
P.S. Thundy
by DocPazuzu
Feb 16th, 2006
04:48:36 PM
Orionsangel - you were saying?
by Mr Nice Gaius
Feb 16th, 2006
04:50:54 PM
Give me "Abby Road"....
by KurosawaDisciple
Feb 16th, 2006
05:07:41 PM
anchorite.
by Cameron1
Feb 16th, 2006
05:07:57 PM
The world is not black & white, it is NUANCED!!!
by Thunderballs
Feb 16th, 2006
05:12:48 PM
Mack the Knife
by seppukudkurosawa
Feb 16th, 2006
05:14:36 PM
A Patriot Must Always Be Ready To Defend His Country...
by Thunderballs
Feb 16th, 2006
05:21:44 PM
Thundy, Thundy, Thundy...
by DocPazuzu
Feb 16th, 2006
05:24:55 PM
A Patriot Must Always Be Ready.....
by Cameron1
Feb 16th, 2006
05:27:18 PM
DocPaz---get your facts straight!
by Thunderballs
Feb 16th, 2006
05:38:32 PM
anchorite
by DocPazuzu
Feb 16th, 2006
05:38:47 PM
THE CRUCIBLE: STILL CRAP
by BannedOnTheRun
Feb 16th, 2006
05:48:46 PM
oh I know you weren't frothing at the mouth..
by Cameron1
Feb 16th, 2006
06:00:07 PM
Oh, I see. Since you have a master's degree, I assume
by FluffyUnbound
Feb 16th, 2006
06:00:27 PM
Ah, the irony, Thunderballs...
by DocPazuzu
Feb 16th, 2006
06:03:00 PM
anchorite a quck edit to my previous post:
by Cameron1
Feb 16th, 2006
06:20:38 PM
I wonder...
by Jonesey1111
Feb 16th, 2006
06:32:44 PM
Haha funny dogapeandman
by Orionsangels
Feb 16th, 2006
06:44:05 PM
OK Jonesey1111
by Thunderballs
Feb 16th, 2006
06:52:55 PM
I do take offense to Thunder's assesment re: Sin City.
by Lenny Nero
Feb 16th, 2006
07:12:37 PM
the bottom line
by frank cotton
Feb 16th, 2006
07:18:07 PM
But...
by Jonesey1111
Feb 16th, 2006
07:23:24 PM
Actually, Jonesey, that would be sweet.
by Lenny Nero
Feb 16th, 2006
07:26:02 PM
*sometimes*, not "something"
by Lenny Nero
Feb 16th, 2006
07:32:48 PM
oh, hi Lenny Nero!
by HypeEndsHere
Feb 16th, 2006
07:35:39 PM
Forget V, they should make a movie about this blog
by darthflagg
Feb 16th, 2006
09:12:42 PM
Lenny Nero - Sin City and Torture
by Thunderballs
Feb 16th, 2006
09:25:35 PM
ANCHORITE
by frank cotton
Feb 16th, 2006
09:51:13 PM
THUNDERBALLS
by frank cotton
Feb 16th, 2006
09:58:41 PM
holy shit.
by HypeEndsHere
Feb 16th, 2006
10:00:41 PM
Political Movie???
by McCroskey
Feb 16th, 2006
11:11:52 PM
That's not to say...
by McCroskey
Feb 16th, 2006
11:21:43 PM
Forrest Gump
by McCroskey
Feb 16th, 2006
11:32:49 PM
Yeah, hype, I was going to eat crow in the old TB...
by Lenny Nero
Feb 17th, 2006
12:26:06 AM
There are those blanket statements again.
by Lenny Nero
Feb 17th, 2006
12:29:58 AM
Lenny Nero - you miss my point
by Thunderballs
Feb 17th, 2006
12:41:29 AM
You think it's illogical, I think it's logical.
by Lenny Nero
Feb 17th, 2006
12:58:43 AM
And wait, who said 100% of liberals decry torture?
by Lenny Nero
Feb 17th, 2006
01:09:49 AM
And the US treats violence and sex differently.
by Lenny Nero
Feb 17th, 2006
01:55:09 AM
Thunderballs likes to...
by DocPazuzu
Feb 17th, 2006
02:09:19 AM
Lenny Nero
by DocPazuzu
Feb 17th, 2006
02:15:24 AM
Fair enough, Doc, but this should be a fair forum.
by Lenny Nero
Feb 17th, 2006
02:31:29 AM
Lenny Nero
by DocPazuzu
Feb 17th, 2006
02:46:22 AM
True, but with them you'll never win.
by Lenny Nero
Feb 17th, 2006
02:49:24 AM
Lenny
by DocPazuzu
Feb 17th, 2006
02:58:26 AM
Well, at least you know your place.
by Lenny Nero
Feb 17th, 2006
03:36:54 AM
"V" is for "Shitty"
by Drunken Rage
Feb 17th, 2006
06:56:56 AM
sorry Lenny
by HypeEndsHere
Feb 17th, 2006
08:06:14 AM
Doc Paz and Lenny
by Mr Nice Gaius
Feb 17th, 2006
09:27:29 AM
As a response to the outrageous July 7th bombings
by emeraldboy
Feb 17th, 2006
10:09:59 AM
Rebellion is cliche.
by ExcaliburFfolkes
Feb 17th, 2006
11:27:44 AM
Why is this film coming out in March?
by ExcaliburFfolkes
Feb 17th, 2006
11:29:38 AM
talk about boring....
by Thunderballs
Feb 17th, 2006
01:27:04 PM
America-Hating Liberals
by battlestone
Feb 17th, 2006
01:45:27 PM
Battlestone
by Mr Nice Gaius
Feb 17th, 2006
02:49:44 PM
And Thunderballs
by Mr Nice Gaius
Feb 17th, 2006
02:53:00 PM
Mr Nice Gaius, why don't u go hug a tree u lefty loon
by battlestone
Feb 17th, 2006
03:05:30 PM
I already said I was done addressing Thunderballs.
by Lenny Nero
Feb 17th, 2006
03:08:59 PM
And hype, I'm sorry if you were smarting...
by Lenny Nero
Feb 17th, 2006
03:11:38 PM
Then *go* into politics. Ugh...distracted by Olympics.
by Lenny Nero
Feb 17th, 2006
03:25:33 PM
I have an ego problem?
by Thunderballs
Feb 17th, 2006
03:58:28 PM
so what news media do you watch or read then, tballs?
by Lord Asriel
Feb 17th, 2006
04:02:15 PM
"why don't u go hug a tree, u lefty loon"
by Mr Nice Gaius
Feb 17th, 2006
04:20:47 PM
The Courage To Be Hated!
by Thunderballs
Feb 17th, 2006
04:25:14 PM
Battlestone you ignorant slut.....
by UncleEthan
Feb 17th, 2006
04:25:31 PM
Wow, Thunderballs...
by DocPazuzu
Feb 17th, 2006
04:38:07 PM
anchorite
by DocPazuzu
Feb 17th, 2006
04:40:40 PM
UncleEthan, this is the USA, not the USSR
by battlestone
Feb 17th, 2006
05:10:00 PM
oh my word, battlestone.
by Lord Asriel
Feb 17th, 2006
05:30:49 PM
Politics can be so boring
by Lovecraftfan
Feb 17th, 2006
05:43:50 PM
thunderballs accused someone ELSE of living in B&W?
by ashhole
Feb 17th, 2006
06:01:23 PM
Lincoln was a liberal.
by HypeEndsHere
Feb 17th, 2006
06:40:54 PM
This isn't Russia is it?
by UncleEthan
Feb 17th, 2006
06:49:07 PM
DocPaz, I won before I even said a word....
by Thunderballs
Feb 17th, 2006
08:21:21 PM
One more thing Battledick...
by UncleEthan
Feb 17th, 2006
08:22:48 PM
Thunderballs...for the record
by UncleEthan
Feb 17th, 2006
08:29:45 PM
Thundy
by DocPazuzu
Feb 18th, 2006
05:02:04 AM
By the way...
by DocPazuzu
Feb 18th, 2006
05:04:03 AM
What's up Doc?
by Thunderballs
Feb 18th, 2006
03:57:21 PM
Thundy
by DocPazuzu
Feb 19th, 2006
08:43:18 AM
V for Vendetta is neither Rubber Soul nor Sgt. Pepper's
by Almost Sexy
Feb 19th, 2006
03:34:55 PM
I disagree
by seppukudkurosawa
Feb 19th, 2006
04:25:37 PM
Best Ad Campaign Ever
by J.Sprinkles
Feb 20th, 2006
12:10:15 PM
You've got to love the american ego
by purplewarrior
Feb 20th, 2006
12:27:17 PM
Britain or Bush?
by McCroskey
Feb 20th, 2006
01:09:46 PM
Last time I checked, Purplewanker...
by Lenny Nero
Feb 20th, 2006
02:55:36 PM
Ank, "as a means to keep the colonists complacent"
by Immortal_Fish
Feb 20th, 2006
09:06:41 PM
V is for Vagina
by Itchy
Feb 21st, 2006
06:59:00 AM

by purplewarrior
Feb 21st, 2006
07:37:45 AM
Beatles Best: Obviously Revolver!!!
by iontyre
Feb 21st, 2006
10:03:53 AM
Purple, so you can lump Americans together...
by Lenny Nero
Feb 21st, 2006
02:53:34 PM
ok I concede
by purplewarrior
Feb 21st, 2006
03:13:25 PM
V for Viagra
by Curt Jurgens
Feb 21st, 2006
03:28:44 PM
Bush is the irresistible target
by McCroskey
Feb 21st, 2006
05:19:42 PM
Mori, "This is modern discourse. This is all we have no
by Immortal_Fish
Feb 21st, 2006
10:38:24 PM
It is disgusting...
by Immortal_Fish
Feb 21st, 2006
10:43:30 PM
Foxnews.com just gave V a rave.
by FluffyUnbound
Feb 27th, 2006
12:55:45 PM
WOW! It only took 6 years for America to wake up...
by Col. Klink
Mar 1st, 2006
09:50:20 AM
V Is for...
by gormenghast
Mar 1st, 2006
11:34:55 PM
V for Vendetta
by Van Andersen
Mar 2nd, 2006
09:39:09 AM
V for Vendetta part 2...
by Van Andersen
Mar 2nd, 2006
09:43:46 AM

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