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Published on Monday, August 1, 2005 - 12:37am |
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THIS DIVIDED STATE, a new politically charged doco, gets a rave!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a review of a flick that's out in Utah (read below to find out why) and is going theater to theater currently. I've heard lots of great stuff about this documentary, a film that follows the big splash of Utah Valley State College inviting Michael Moore as a speaker back in September. This had a big impact on the conservative community and entertainment ensues as the right plays tug-o-war with the left. This doc is supposed to underline this whole Red State Vs. Blue State syndrome that is raging all over the news these days. Anyway, here's the review! Enjoy!
Hello boys,
I'm a loooong time reader and occasional reviewer. Not often do I get
a chance to review advanced or limited release stuff from the black
hole of Utah, but for once I do. (Well, you know every once in a
while... I wrote an AICN review a loooong time ago for that piece of
crap Star Trek Insurection under the psuedonym "SpaceWhore") but there
is a kickass documentary film playing in limited release in Salt Lake
before it opens up in New York, Seattle and San Francisco a couple of
others in August and according the website more in September before it
comes out on DVD. I actually found out about the doc here on Elston's
kickass weekly recap.
I really like the work the guys at the Disinformation company do and I
thought "Outfoxed" was great so I got really excited to see "This
Divided State" when I found out they were putting the DVD out in
September sometime (I don't remember the date and it doesn't seem to
be on the website)...
But This Divided State happened in Utah, so I guess that's why they
opened it here instead of elsewhere. It's running at the Tower
theatre in the moment (a really kickass art house in SLC, they just
did Man with the Screaming brain a couple of weeks ago, it was rad) It
seems like I'm rambling, so I'll go right into the review:
Back in September of last year Utah Valley State college decided it
would be rad if they decided to invite Michael Moore to speak on
campus. What the documentary reveals (and what us Utah natives know)
is that Utah Valley State college is in the most backwards-ass
conservative community in the country and people went crazy at the
idea of such a liberal lightning rod coming into town. The media
closed in and so did Stephen Greenstreet, the director of the doc. He
did a Q & A last night that I caught at the 7:00 showing.
The guy that comes right into the spotlight as the outspoken
conservative spokesperson is a dude named Kay Anderson. He's a
real-estate millionaire who lives across the street from the college
and he is nuts. He tried suing the school to prevent Michael Moore
from speaking, he tried bribing, he even got up on a table outside the
school and was like street preaching against it. He also predicts
that Michael Moore will bring on the apocolypse repeatedly (it's
amazing, you can see it on the trailer. I almost didn't beleive it
when I heard it). There's also a Michael Moore look-alike/media
whore, a kid who has no idea what he's talking about who collects a
petition against the decision, the students who invited Moore on
student council and a number of other outspoken individuals and
college proffessors.
The film is interesting and almost always entertaining. It's also
very short (90 minutes) and paced tightly. It's all cut
chronologically too, and although the director said he admires michael
moore, he made a conscious effort to keep himself out of it. He's not
in the doc and he doesn't narrate it. Everyone is able to speak for
themselves and although you learn from one of the professors that
appears in the film that there is no such thing as an objective
viewpoint, this doc comes close. The editing really impressed me and
his depth of footage impressed me as well. He said afterwards that he
had 9 or 10 cameras going at a time, but he paid for everything by
himself. (he said that because of it, he and the assistant directors
are all practically on welfare, even still).
The movie gets really emotional too. There's some times that you get
choked up, others where you get pissed and others that just make you
antsy. In between Sean Hannity and Michael Moores speeches (oh yeah,
to "balance" the debate, the college brought in Sean Hannity) there's
this godspeed song that just builds and builds and builds and it makes
you really nervous, he almost makes you feel like Michael Moore IS the
apocolypse. And then there's a really great version of woody guthries
"This Land is Your Land" that they had a kickass local beer-band do
(The Utah County Swillers) that covers a montage of the end, post
lawsuit, post election day epilogues and it gave me the chills.
I think this film is important for people everywhere to see for a
number of reasons and I'm glad it's going to play wider. The first
reason is this: this is an accurate portayal of Utah. Utah seems so
often like a different country. I go to California a lot for my work
and when I come back to Utah the conservative tension in the air is
palpable. Second: I think this is a good example of the larger
conflict in the country, the red vs. blue divide (not halo red vs.
blue). Third: I think it's great to support documentaries in the
cinemas. How great would it be if one screen at everyone of these
multiplexes was dedicated to docs and revivals? You'd probably go to
the movies a lot more. So I think people should see it just to
support the genre. Fourth: It's really, really, really good. I think
it's WAY better than outfoxed. There's actually events unfolding in
this doc, not talking heads. Fifth: Michael Moore isn't really in it
all that much. I thought going into this, the doc would be following
Michael Moore around, following the controversey. It's not that at
all.
SPOILER
Mike only appears toward the end. He comes in, gives his speech and
leaves immediately. They don't manage to prevent him from coming, but
the fight is amazing to watch
SPOILERS OVER
Don't take my word for it though, check out the trailer they have up
on their website and you will see.
If you use this rambling piece of shit then call me Darth Swank
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I don't hate real
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particular movie . . . by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 08:22:24 AM | Just Saw The Trailer And Am
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uses the same tactics as your
aver by Cameron1 | Aug 1st, 2005 08:35:51 AM | Put Another Way, I Hardly Ever
Trust The Republicans To Do
The R by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 08:36:48 AM | "Hell, I am an atheist who
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argument by gg | Aug 1st, 2005 09:07:37 AM | ".....the radical
anti-American extremism Dems
seem to champion. by Cameron1 | Aug 1st, 2005 09:08:50 AM | vikingkitty and roboteer by lindyboy | Aug 1st, 2005 09:14:29 AM | And I Still Say Not Buying It by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 09:22:35 AM | Always good to see the real
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Up On Jefferson, Tony Wilson .
. . by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 11:04:04 AM | Tombseye, let me sum up your
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Jefferson quickly by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 11:14:12 AM | Tombseye's argument is
actually nearer to "greedy
people are by TonyWilson | Aug 1st, 2005 11:14:15 AM | pardon the typos and
Tony's got it right by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 11:18:19 AM | Good point Yackbakcer, but the
dems can just roll out Bill
for t by TonyWilson | Aug 1st, 2005 11:18:51 AM | I'm not against all
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Bill Richardson by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 11:20:53 AM | I'll tell you what you
have, tombseye by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 11:21:12 AM | But at least you sound civil,
which puts you ahead of most
liber by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 11:23:26 AM | OK tombseye, you've said
uninformed so often I think
you by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 11:26:52 AM | kitty I think you'll find
most liberals are civil, but
not w by TonyWilson | Aug 1st, 2005 11:30:53 AM | You've forgotten one of
the main points of liberal
idealogy, by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 11:31:49 AM | Well I'd say you're
just flat out wrong, Tony by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 11:33:04 AM | The Rest of the World is
Correct Tony by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 11:34:10 AM | You gotta tell that to my
Int'l Political Economy
Prof by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 11:35:07 AM | As Much As I Hate To Admit It
-- By Preaching to the
Converted, by ZombieSolutions | Aug 1st, 2005 11:35:58 AM | hey kitty you must have had
some bad experiences, when I
worked by TonyWilson | Aug 1st, 2005 11:37:10 AM | Ah the bit about Kerry's
integrity was a sly dig at the
swif by TonyWilson | Aug 1st, 2005 11:39:51 AM | If your economics professor is
anything like the ones where I
wo by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 11:41:00 AM | Why Taxing The Poor, Working
Class, and Middle Class Makes
No Se by ZombieSolutions | Aug 1st, 2005 11:42:08 AM | Tony, Liberals In This Country
Are Anything BUT Civil, For
The M by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 11:42:25 AM | Zombie, I'd like you to
point where taxes have been
raised o by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 11:45:18 AM | Okay Ill I'll go over the
points-starting with Iraq by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 11:47:11 AM | Oh I've seen both those
sites. by TonyWilson | Aug 1st, 2005 11:47:46 AM | I'll tell you what,
Tombseye by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 11:48:26 AM | Conservatives Are Far More
Hositle and Shrill Than
Liberals by ZombieSolutions | Aug 1st, 2005 11:50:36 AM | Tony . . . by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 11:51:33 AM | 2nd amendment by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 11:51:39 AM | While tombseye's Ignoring
The Uncomfortable NRA URL,
Zombie by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 11:52:44 AM | This is what I love... by lindyboy | Aug 1st, 2005 11:53:04 AM | Geez TW and here you keep
saying your a moderate. by JUSTICE41 | Aug 1st, 2005 11:54:10 AM | Viking Kitty by huck500 | Aug 1st, 2005 11:54:31 AM | AirAmerica was satirical, from
what i heard of it. by TonyWilson | Aug 1st, 2005 11:55:51 AM | More repetition from a
brainwashed liberal by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 11:57:07 AM | Vik, the UC system is amongst
the cheapest in the country by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 11:57:07 AM | Yes, Bush Was Way Worse Than
Nixon by ZombieSolutions | Aug 1st, 2005 12:00:34 PM | Private accounts and social
security reform is a joke by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 12:02:01 PM | I thought so by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 12:04:13 PM | Privatization Was All The Rage
In the 1920s Too by ZombieSolutions | Aug 1st, 2005 12:05:39 PM | I look at the social security
being stolen from my check
every m by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 12:05:47 PM | Hopefully You Won't
Mistakenly Invest In Junk
Bonds, Non-Exi by ZombieSolutions | Aug 1st, 2005 12:11:33 PM | Silly...Silly by JDPRITCHETT | Aug 1st, 2005 12:13:02 PM | Justice you are the one who
calls me a coward and a pussy.
So I& by TonyWilson | Aug 1st, 2005 12:13:38 PM | Zombie, you're getting
hysterical. Where's that
link to by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 12:14:28 PM | lindy-on foreign policy by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 12:16:38 PM | tombseye, What Part Of Your
Iraq Post Was The Informative
One? by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 12:21:17 PM | JD-actually both parties are
corporate run by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 12:24:33 PM | "Talking Points" by lindyboy | Aug 1st, 2005 12:25:58 PM | Viking-Kitty -- How Does The
Demonstrated Failure of
Laissez-Fai by ZombieSolutions | Aug 1st, 2005 12:30:49 PM | Ill, actually the point was
that Iraq was not chosen out
of a ha by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 12:35:31 PM | I take issue as well, lindyboy by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 12:35:52 PM | Revisionist history abounds! by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 12:39:07 PM | The Only Problem, Ill Clinton,
Being That Security Hasn't
Be by ZombieSolutions | Aug 1st, 2005 12:43:36 PM | Funny, because not all
liberals stand on the street,
throwing mo by cookylamoo | Aug 1st, 2005 12:43:42 PM | Vik is Greenspan a liberal by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 12:44:16 PM | Tombseye, oh Tombseye by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 12:44:21 PM | Al Gore Never Said He Invented
The Internet. People Who
Repeat T by www.valiens.com | Aug 1st, 2005 12:44:33 PM | The whole "Affirmative Action
Bakesale" bit is, to my mind,
very by FluffyUnbound | Aug 1st, 2005 12:44:40 PM | No Tony just laser like
observations. by JUSTICE41 | Aug 1st, 2005 12:45:47 PM | Attention tombseye by lindyboy | Aug 1st, 2005 12:46:26 PM | as per revisionism why did
real wages not rise in the
1980s by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 12:47:52 PM | You're forgetting
something about
Greenspan's testimony by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 12:48:22 PM | How we vote. by AaronTheMighty | Aug 1st, 2005 12:50:57 PM | tomb, I know you're typing
fast so porobably aren't
read by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 12:52:50 PM | Lindy you keep missing the
point by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 12:54:15 PM | What about the Brazillian guy? by TonyWilson | Aug 1st, 2005 01:00:15 PM | Ill, i'm saying that it
matters how we go to war by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 01:00:20 PM | People don't all function
like robots Vik by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 01:04:29 PM | Oh Thats Right -- For NeoCons
POVERTY is a Personality
Disorder by ZombieSolutions | Aug 1st, 2005 01:05:07 PM | And there it is ladies and
germs, Tom just stated it. by JUSTICE41 | Aug 1st, 2005 01:06:26 PM | Historically, Anti-Semetism is
A Conservative Trait by ZombieSolutions | Aug 1st, 2005 01:11:26 PM | points taken by lindyboy | Aug 1st, 2005 01:12:12 PM | Zombie, I Noticed You Found
Absolutely Wrong With That
Statement by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 01:14:27 PM | Grow up Justice and try to
debate like a human being by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 01:17:24 PM | I Love How The NeoCons Always
Fall Back on Throwing Insults
Out by ZombieSolutions | Aug 1st, 2005 01:17:31 PM | Ill Clinton and Iraq by madoo14 | Aug 1st, 2005 01:19:50 PM | A Statement of Purpose (aka
"Talking Points") Does Not
Indicate by ZombieSolutions | Aug 1st, 2005 01:23:04 PM | Justice you dumbfuck. by Cameron1 | Aug 1st, 2005 01:25:25 PM | Uh, Zombie by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 01:25:50 PM | Okay, Lindy here's the
thing by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 01:31:12 PM | Madoo by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 01:31:20 PM | tomb, Ideally governments
shouldn't lie about
anything by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 01:35:12 PM | WWII. by Cameron1 | Aug 1st, 2005 01:36:04 PM | Uh, Clinton, I Did, You Just
Don't Want to See It by ZombieSolutions | Aug 1st, 2005 01:36:45 PM | Ill, I'm not saying you
per se by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 01:39:51 PM | Ill Clinton Re: FDR by madoo14 | Aug 1st, 2005 01:41:18 PM | Thanks Zombie, We're In
Agreement Then, That Quote Was
Taken by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 01:42:51 PM | Port Security by madoo14 | Aug 1st, 2005 01:47:27 PM | Ill Clinton -- Your Point
Being... What Exactly? by ZombieSolutions | Aug 1st, 2005 01:48:29 PM | Thank you Thank you (bows
humbly) by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 01:51:14 PM | Zombie, I told you I was
wrong. by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 01:52:35 PM | Conservatives tried to stop
Michael Moore from speaking at
San M by Right Bastard | Aug 1st, 2005 01:54:48 PM | A Christian Liberal right
here!!! by TedSallis | Aug 1st, 2005 01:56:10 PM | What have they "done for us"? by lindyboy | Aug 1st, 2005 02:01:57 PM | Lindyboy, remember that
comparison invovling Buckley? by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 02:07:05 PM | Okay, Okay, I Gotcha -- BUT
The Problem Remains, Ill
Clinton, Th by ZombieSolutions | Aug 1st, 2005 02:09:06 PM | Lindy what have they done? by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 02:14:55 PM | What Ever Happened To
VikingKitty by madoo14 | Aug 1st, 2005 02:16:56 PM | With due respect Kitty... by lindyboy | Aug 1st, 2005 02:17:01 PM | tomb, I Am Impressed With The
Speed At Which You Type by Ill Clinton | Aug 1st, 2005 02:24:25 PM | Isreal and the US have pretty
much the same policy. by cookylamoo | Aug 1st, 2005 02:25:32 PM | anti semitism? by I wonder | Aug 1st, 2005 02:25:51 PM | The founders would be appalled
at the level of "regulation"
occu by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 02:28:48 PM | One quick question: why does
an article about a documentary
need by FluffyUnbound | Aug 1st, 2005 02:34:43 PM | Enough of this "The Left Hates
Religion" bullshit!!!! by TedSallis | Aug 1st, 2005 02:36:25 PM | I think it needs a spoiler
warning because some people
are so ta by vikingkitty | Aug 1st, 2005 02:39:01 PM | so.. was the movie any good? by white owl | Aug 1st, 2005 02:40:06 PM | As to the causes... by lindyboy | Aug 1st, 2005 02:44:50 PM | The Left Doesn't Hate The
Relgious, It's Frightened
by T by ZombieSolutions | Aug 1st, 2005 02:45:35 PM | As a Utahn... by Stallion_Cornell | Aug 1st, 2005 02:47:29 PM | lindy, u sure I'm wrong
then? by tombseye | Aug 1st, 2005 02:57:40 PM | Insulting people by calling
them faggots. by Garbageman33 | Aug 1st, 2005 03:06:00 PM | This country is no longer in a
viable condition by ejcarter9 | Aug 1st, 2005 03:55:28 PM | RE: Kitty by madoo14 | Aug 1st, 2005 04:10:34 PM | madoo14 by JDPRITCHETT | Aug 1st, 2005 04:18:10 PM | Conservatives believe in
charity for the compliant. by cookylamoo | Aug 1st, 2005 04:26:50 PM | VOTE OR DONATE FOR PAUL
HACKETT by bushsux | Aug 1st, 2005 04:33:46 PM | CONSERVATIVES HAVE MORE
POSITIONS AT ODDS WITH
CHRISTIANITY THAN by bushsux | Aug 1st, 2005 04:39:40 PM | I like movies. by Grammaton Cleric | Aug 1st, 2005 04:45:20 PM | this talkback is pure gold by lopan | Aug 1st, 2005 05:38:29 PM | Chicken Hawks by JA_Prufrock | Aug 1st, 2005 06:39:37 PM | Regarding the review by Brock Samson | Aug 1st, 2005 06:46:57 PM | OilCanBoyd and Real
Conservatives by Aetius450 | Aug 1st, 2005 06:47:30 PM | Gospel according to Clint
Eastwood by turk128 | Aug 1st, 2005 06:49:07 PM | Pumpinksboy and What's the
Matter with Kansas by Aetius450 | Aug 1st, 2005 06:53:37 PM | Stanley Spector, "No real
conservative could in good
conscience by Immortal_Fish | Aug 1st, 2005 08:25:15 PM | OilCanBoyd, "Why do Liberals
(non-pejorative) always seem
to hat by Immortal_Fish | Aug 1st, 2005 08:28:54 PM | Cameron1, "doctors, lawyers,
engineers, writers,
pscyhiatrists,a by Immortal_Fish | Aug 1st, 2005 08:34:14 PM | brobdingnag, "I am an atheist
who supports gay marriage,
legaliz by Immortal_Fish | Aug 1st, 2005 08:41:46 PM | gg, a response by Immortal_Fish | Aug 1st, 2005 08:55:17 PM | Tired of self-righteous
cry-baby liberals. NEWSFLASH:
you godles by Buck Turgidson | Aug 1st, 2005 09:51:42 PM | Democrats make me laugh. What
the fuck are you fighting for
anyw by Buck Turgidson | Aug 1st, 2005 09:57:02 PM | Why do Republicans care so
much about Iraqi democracy so
much, b by Rant Breath | Aug 1st, 2005 10:23:13 PM | What if that horrible,
horrible man, Michael Moore
was president by Rant Breath | Aug 1st, 2005 10:40:02 PM | Boy, some people really get
uptight when you remind them
that th by cookylamoo | Aug 1st, 2005 11:19:34 PM | Kickass! by Doc_McCoy | Aug 1st, 2005 11:33:41 PM | ........aahhh! Nothing like a
good old political Doco.... by Kai_Mah'gra | Aug 1st, 2005 11:40:43 PM | Tools by tbransonlives | Aug 1st, 2005 11:56:22 PM | IMMORAL FISH IS A COCKSUCKING
IDIOT by bushsux | Aug 2nd, 2005 12:12:50 AM | "you godless fucks have been
tidily swept out of the White
House by bushsux | Aug 2nd, 2005 12:14:48 AM | Everyone who particiaptes in a
democracy is a tool. by Rant Breath | Aug 2nd, 2005 12:16:28 AM | Why don't the
conservatives on this site
actually do somethi by bushsux | Aug 2nd, 2005 12:21:02 AM | DICK CHENEY HAD 5 DEFERMENTS
FROM THE DRAFT FOR VIETNAM by bushsux | Aug 2nd, 2005 12:21:43 AM | JOHN ASHCROFT HAD 8 DEFERMENTS
FROM THE VIETNAM DRAFT by bushsux | Aug 2nd, 2005 12:24:23 AM | I Leave And The Talkback Turns
To Shit by Ill Clinton | Aug 2nd, 2005 12:25:05 AM | ILL CLINTON by bushsux | Aug 2nd, 2005 12:58:46 AM | Oh ya by RJ MacReady | Aug 2nd, 2005 01:31:19 AM | Nice way to dodge a bullet by gg | Aug 2nd, 2005 02:06:51 AM | Just passing through...
don't mind me... by Octaveaeon | Aug 2nd, 2005 02:08:24 AM | I say we do like "Starship
Troopers." by Some Dude | Aug 2nd, 2005 04:22:34 AM | bushux You're Killing Me by Ill Clinton | Aug 2nd, 2005 05:42:53 AM | Can anybody confirm that Iraq
has the second largest oil
reserve by Rant Breath | Aug 2nd, 2005 05:54:28 AM | Aetius450 by Pumpkinsboy | Aug 2nd, 2005 07:11:41 AM | the "chicken hawk" fallacy
(just for comrade Droog) by lindyboy | Aug 2nd, 2005 07:45:28 AM | Nope, sorry, Droog. by FluffyUnbound | Aug 2nd, 2005 07:55:34 AM | Impression of Artie Lang's
manager trying to convince him
to by JossWorshiper | Aug 2nd, 2005 07:59:15 AM | I wish all Republicans were as
honest as FluffyUnbound by Pumpkinsboy | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:08:53 AM | But Fluffy..... by Cameron1 | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:16:06 AM | But Fluffy..... by Cameron1 | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:16:47 AM | Zombie- what failure of
capaitalism? by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:17:55 AM | Except, Hitler's economic
policies and beliefs were
about as by Cameron1 | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:22:01 AM | It'e a generalisation, but
a fair one.... by Cameron1 | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:26:14 AM | Oh dearm another totally
inappropriate Nazi analogy
from the rig by Pumpkinsboy | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:26:26 AM | On presidents..... by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:31:31 AM | National Socialism by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:34:47 AM | Kennedy AND Bush actually. by Cameron1 | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:35:16 AM | This is a Documentary. by Orphu of Io | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:35:50 AM | But's about as tenuous a
connection as anyone who voted
for by Cameron1 | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:37:09 AM | Again by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:39:23 AM | Bush and Kennedy by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:41:35 AM | If you knew what the methods
Hitler used to achieve such
ends by Cameron1 | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:43:16 AM | If you knew what the methods
Hitler used to achieve such
ends by Cameron1 | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:43:18 AM | ok so kennedy was a shitty
president in many respects by Cameron1 | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:46:44 AM | Proof by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:48:56 AM | the methods used to initiate
and sustain such policy are
incredi by Cameron1 | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:52:27 AM | Fascism, Socialism, Comuinism
and you, Cameron by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:57:59 AM | Paternalism vs. Fraternity by Cameron1 | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:59:15 AM | RE:"do you people who compare
Bush to Hitler know that Nazi
mean by Rant Breath | Aug 2nd, 2005 08:59:37 AM | At least.. by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 09:00:00 AM | did you just say GB was a
socialist country? by Cameron1 | Aug 2nd, 2005 09:03:32 AM | No, Cameron, I don't think
so. by FluffyUnbound | Aug 2nd, 2005 09:04:53 AM | Aryans... by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 09:05:39 AM | Fluffy I wasn't suggesting
you let someone take you for a
ri by Cameron1 | Aug 2nd, 2005 09:09:34 AM | Nanny State in the UK by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 09:14:05 AM | Projects, damn by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 09:15:59 AM | That the government here or in
GB is inept is quite true by Cameron1 | Aug 2nd, 2005 09:20:48 AM | seriously.... by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 09:28:31 AM | What's on TV? History
repeating itself! by Rant Breath | Aug 2nd, 2005 09:36:01 AM | Fluffy - Don't worry about
wasting resourses. by cookylamoo | Aug 2nd, 2005 09:45:35 AM | I'm a party part of the
problem by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 09:47:14 AM | cooky- by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 09:53:20 AM | How did I miss that? by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 09:56:27 AM | No, cookylamoo, Larouche is
something else. by FluffyUnbound | Aug 2nd, 2005 09:56:48 AM | Fluffy also makes a good point by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 10:04:37 AM | full circle.... by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 10:12:13 AM | playahatersball by Pumpkinsboy | Aug 2nd, 2005 10:37:03 AM | Oh, the Horror of political
debate on AICN. The Horror! by Pumpkinsboy | Aug 2nd, 2005 10:54:46 AM | Bushsux, when exactly did Bill
Clinton join the military? Or
th by bushsux | Aug 2nd, 2005 12:54:41 PM | Bush has taken exactly 50
vacations in 5 years. Dick
Cheney and by www.valiens.com | Aug 2nd, 2005 12:58:36 PM | Our Grandchildren won't
carry our burden of tax. by cookylamoo | Aug 2nd, 2005 02:17:25 PM | The return of the Forbidden
Zone by LeckoManiac | Aug 2nd, 2005 02:22:29 PM | Just an idea, not that anyone
will pay attention... by Octaveaeon | Aug 2nd, 2005 03:32:08 PM | Your hate has not made you
powerful by islander | Aug 2nd, 2005 03:39:49 PM | Pumpkin...... by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 03:40:49 PM | Whoops... by playahatersball | Aug 2nd, 2005 03:43:04 PM | uuggghhh.......Too many FOX
NEWS victims around here!!!! by TedSallis | Aug 2nd, 2005 03:56:00 PM | What Is A Libertarian? by Winky Man | Aug 2nd, 2005 04:22:13 PM | It's a conservative who
discovers he's made a
terrible m by cookylamoo | Aug 2nd, 2005 04:48:59 PM | Answer to "What is a
libertarian"? by bushsux | Aug 2nd, 2005 04:54:47 PM | Six Day War by m2298 | Aug 2nd, 2005 05:01:26 PM | Thanks For The Help, But Is
Libertarian A Party Or A
Concept Lik by Winky Man | Aug 2nd, 2005 05:19:59 PM | Hey winky, instead of getting
a bunch of biased
interpretations by Rant Breath | Aug 2nd, 2005 05:29:22 PM | Thanks Rant, If There Was A
Actual Party Like That I'd
Prob by Winky Man | Aug 2nd, 2005 05:33:15 PM | In most states you will have
the opportunity to vote for a
Liber by FluffyUnbound | Aug 2nd, 2005 05:43:14 PM | There is a Libertarian Party
but first by Rant Breath | Aug 2nd, 2005 05:46:21 PM | I Took It Twice, Thanks by Winky Man | Aug 2nd, 2005 05:52:46 PM | There Are Other Parties As
Well Winky by Ill Clinton | Aug 2nd, 2005 06:06:51 PM | All of this would be relevant
if not for the basic fact
that.... by Kai_Mah'gra | Aug 2nd, 2005 07:10:16 PM | I Have Seen The Light?! by PooButt | Aug 2nd, 2005 07:42:58 PM | Hey Winky (and anyone else who
is ACTUALLY interested in
ending by Octaveaeon | Aug 2nd, 2005 07:55:42 PM | tombseye, I'm Not Here To
Fact Check You So You Think
That G by Ill Clinton | Aug 2nd, 2005 10:11:55 PM | Why are most higher educated
people liberal? by Roger Thornhill | Aug 2nd, 2005 10:49:42 PM | Droog compounds his error by
assuming that it is only, or
primar by FluffyUnbound | Aug 2nd, 2005 11:02:27 PM | Neo Imperialism by Kinjikai | Aug 2nd, 2005 11:24:18 PM | Neo Imperialism by Kinjikai | Aug 2nd, 2005 11:26:30 PM | Sweet Christ, FDR created the
modern American middle class
with by SHIVA | Aug 2nd, 2005 11:35:24 PM | ....................... by the M'hael | Aug 2nd, 2005 11:59:44 PM | Liberal media by gg | Aug 3rd, 2005 02:17:10 AM | GG take your med man by JUSTICE41 | Aug 3rd, 2005 02:51:45 AM | I think you need to stop YOUR
medication, dude by gg | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:05:51 AM | heheheheheheheheheh by the M'hael | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:06:45 AM | Check out the story on Loral. by JUSTICE41 | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:07:35 AM | And, I by gg | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:15:51 AM | Without a bases of comparison
know one would know anything
was a by JUSTICE41 | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:18:04 AM | If CNN were so goddamn liberal
wouldn by gg | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:18:59 AM | Is that the same Halliburton
that Clinton employed to help
in Ku by JUSTICE41 | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:24:59 AM | Duh! by gg | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:26:52 AM | STOP DODGING THE BULLET! by gg | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:31:10 AM | Just like when Fox was the
first to report on Bush's
drunk D by JUSTICE41 | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:31:10 AM | Droog, Thanks For Not Being
Spiteful And A Bitch by Ill Clinton | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:34:05 AM | GG,Yes you are. The fact you
run from the label proves
that. by JUSTICE41 | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:38:46 AM | Ill Clinton, Thank you for
Serving man. Everyday I shake
some wa by JUSTICE41 | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:42:28 AM | Hell Justice, I Support The
War, Voted For Bush And I Say
The Am by Ill Clinton | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:47:06 AM | Just like when Fox was the
first to report on Bush's
drunk D by gg | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:55:04 AM | Thank You For That Justice by Ill Clinton | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:55:53 AM | Ok, just one more. by gg | Aug 3rd, 2005 04:00:37 AM | That by gg | Aug 3rd, 2005 04:01:59 AM | gg by Ill Clinton | Aug 3rd, 2005 04:13:25 AM | he... by gg | Aug 3rd, 2005 04:26:35 AM | It Was The Latter by Ill Clinton | Aug 3rd, 2005 04:55:58 AM | Wow, i am not gonna get
involved, because there is way
too much by Sakurai | Aug 3rd, 2005 05:21:47 AM | Look, I'm Glad Your Name
Let's You Keep A Body, er
"Girl by Ill Clinton | Aug 3rd, 2005 06:06:16 AM | Israelis Zionists? by m2298 | Aug 3rd, 2005 09:38:54 AM | Ill Why Did You Vote for Bush by madoo14 | Aug 3rd, 2005 10:42:39 AM | No, the London police were not
right to shoot that Brazilian
man by Shan | Aug 3rd, 2005 11:09:53 AM | Well, Droog, you finally
produced a decent argument. by FluffyUnbound | Aug 3rd, 2005 11:11:19 AM | One more time for Droog. by lindyboy | Aug 3rd, 2005 12:17:58 PM | Back again for the first
time.... by playahatersball | Aug 3rd, 2005 12:44:04 PM | Ill... heh, no Ill feelings
mon. by JUSTICE41 | Aug 3rd, 2005 12:59:05 PM | Lindyboy and Chickenhawks by madoo14 | Aug 3rd, 2005 01:19:41 PM | Justice.... by playahatersball | Aug 3rd, 2005 01:20:16 PM | You guys do realize that if we
let only veterans and the
serving by FluffyUnbound | Aug 3rd, 2005 01:29:49 PM | Starship Troopers by playahatersball | Aug 3rd, 2005 01:31:27 PM | playahatersball by madoo14 | Aug 3rd, 2005 01:36:13 PM | dumbshit41 still thinks the US
news has a liberal bias? by Cameron1 | Aug 3rd, 2005 01:36:25 PM | Starship Troopers by Cameron1 | Aug 3rd, 2005 01:43:54 PM | Madoo by playahatersball | Aug 3rd, 2005 01:44:51 PM | Verhoven by playahatersball | Aug 3rd, 2005 01:48:15 PM | hater by madoo14 | Aug 3rd, 2005 01:59:25 PM | Bush MO by playahatersball | Aug 3rd, 2005 02:16:56 PM | No child should have to suffer
from a bad education because
of t by Cameron1 | Aug 3rd, 2005 02:53:03 PM | Madoo, Here's My Answer by Ill Clinton | Aug 3rd, 2005 02:55:52 PM | on "the humanity involved" and
"haters" by lindyboy | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:04:33 PM | No moviemack, I don't need
or expect a Thank You from you by Ill Clinton | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:08:44 PM | I Thought
Conservatives/Republicans Were
Supposed To Be For Smal by ZombieSolutions | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:15:12 PM | Another Funny Issue Is
Abortion by ZombieSolutions | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:20:28 PM | Zombie, I said . . . "I have
some issues with Bush, but
they are by Ill Clinton | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:34:05 PM | As Much As You Might Like To
Think It, It's Not All
About Yo by ZombieSolutions | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:40:14 PM | Terrorism Is A Faith Based
Inititative by ZombieSolutions | Aug 3rd, 2005 03:53:10 PM | Ill, I guess that makes sense
. . . . kinda by madoo14 | Aug 3rd, 2005 04:02:56 PM | Lindy I'm sorry you think
I am "ingenuine" by madoo14 | Aug 3rd, 2005 04:18:18 PM | Playahatersball, Naw dude. I
was just born poor in Jamaica by JUSTICE41 | Aug 3rd, 2005 05:19:37 PM | I guess Saddam Hussein was an
alright guy. by Quin the Eskimo | Aug 3rd, 2005 05:33:04 PM | Zombie, What Does Your Ranting
About Neo Cons Have to Do With
ME by Ill Clinton | Aug 3rd, 2005 05:51:56 PM | Oh, And I Forgot Nothing About
Saddam (feeds the troll more
Scoo by Ill Clinton | Aug 3rd, 2005 05:55:08 PM | Uh, ILL CLINTON, ... by ZombieSolutions | Aug 3rd, 2005 06:53:45 PM | As far as race relations are
concerned by cookylamoo | Aug 3rd, 2005 09:06:30 PM | The only religions I hate are
the Evil ones, ... by Diskatopia | Aug 3rd, 2005 10:56:55 PM | It's a bit much... by lindyboy | Aug 4th, 2005 07:43:51 AM | I Don't Hate Any Relgion
-- BUT, If You Steadfastly
Believe by ZombieSolutions | Aug 4th, 2005 08:45:43 AM | I love it when people proclaim
"The free voice of the Iraqi
peop by cookylamoo | Aug 4th, 2005 09:09:13 AM | Wow this a fair movie.
(sarcasim) by Sakurai | Aug 4th, 2005 12:39:30 PM | I guess the word lie isn't
PC enough by madoo14 | Aug 4th, 2005 12:51:23 PM | Zombie, I've Said Nothing
About Religion In Any Of My
Posts by Ill Clinton | Aug 4th, 2005 01:17:28 PM | Good For You, Ill Clinton!
Thanks For Sharing! by ZombieSolutions | Aug 4th, 2005 01:41:49 PM | Point of order Madoo by lindyboy | Aug 4th, 2005 02:03:08 PM | Lindy by madoo14 | Aug 4th, 2005 03:03:22 PM | Zombie, I Told You I Am Only
Opposed To GOVERNMENT Handouts by Ill Clinton | Aug 4th, 2005 03:37:35 PM | War vs. Its Alternatives by madoo14 | Aug 4th, 2005 04:03:23 PM | When Is It Justified Madoo? by Ill Clinton | Aug 4th, 2005 06:33:26 PM | Guys, this thread is dead.
D-E-A_D by Cameron1 | Aug 4th, 2005 06:59:53 PM | It's just point scoring
now. by Cameron1 | Aug 4th, 2005 07:00:47 PM | I've Given My Lollipop To
EXXON Instead... by ZombieSolutions | Aug 4th, 2005 07:47:56 PM | Just Like A Liberal To Renege
And Attack by Ill Clinton | Aug 4th, 2005 08:09:14 PM | Cameron, Noooooooooooooo! by Ill Clinton | Aug 4th, 2005 08:27:29 PM | Ill, let me clarify by madoo14 | Aug 4th, 2005 10:20:11 PM | Dude, fair is fair. You owe
him a lollipop. by madoo14 | Aug 4th, 2005 10:20:51 PM | If it's any consolation, I
know where you can get a
lolypop by cookylamoo | Aug 4th, 2005 10:59:11 PM | Madoo, I Agree With You by Ill Clinton | Aug 4th, 2005 11:03:37 PM | I'm Sure Zombie Already
Knows Cooky by Ill Clinton | Aug 4th, 2005 11:06:15 PM | So It Really Isn't About
The Handouts, It's About
Who Th by ZombieSolutions | Aug 4th, 2005 11:15:05 PM | Again, Saw It Coming (so to
speak) by Ill Clinton | Aug 4th, 2005 11:17:25 PM | Madoo (and diplomacy too) by lindyboy | Aug 5th, 2005 07:32:03 AM | As Barry Goldwater once
said.... by cookylamoo | Aug 5th, 2005 09:15:13 AM | Ill & Lindy by madoo14 | Aug 5th, 2005 12:08:31 PM | Madoo, Last One Here by Ill Clinton | Aug 5th, 2005 12:59:55 PM |
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