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The future of 2D Animation' Apparently not Disney or Dreamworks... then where'

Hey folks, Harry here... I've had a lot of folks asking me to comment on this whole Roy Disney & Stanley Gold exodus from Eisner's Mouse of Ill Repute, and frankly... it's sad. I look in Roy's face and I see the entire history of DISNEY behind his eyes. I look into Eisner's face and I see the face of a man that seems to not represent those same ideals. DISNEY wasn't meant to be an evil corporation. It has just been drawn that way by current management.

One can only imagine the disgust that Roy must feel as he has seen Disney's animation division laid waste by micro-management, gestapo-esque security measures, test marketing of every minutae and the cut backs that force the very heart and soul of what made DISNEY such a great company... those folks that draw love & soul at 24 frames per second. The Ink & Paint departments. And what's the next Animated Classic to carry Disney's name? TEACHER'S PET! Joy.

Personally, right now I'm hoping that PIXAR just walks away... the same way that Roy and Stanley just walked away. Sometimes if you love something, you have to let it crash and burn on it's own accord, but then return to it when it's ready to be reborn, not based on spreadsheets, but based on ideas, soul and innovation. The very things that made the Disney Animation and the Disney Company so wonderful, for so many years.

Ok, sorry about the soap box... I know, you're curious about the headline... The Future of 2D Animated Film? Well, the odd thing is... the future for this seemingly "dying" form is nestled firmly in the alleged stake that has been so publicly thrust through its chest... PIXAR.

The word is that PIXAR is starting their own 2D Animation Division. A company that will use the PIXAR brand... that name which stands for supreme excellence, innovation and soul in animation today... and putting it behind the form that everyone there loves. 2D Animation.

The first film? Well, Brad Bird, who is wrapping up work on THE INCREDIBLES for Pixar is apparently going to be the goto guy on this to kick it all off. RAY GUNN!!! What is RAY GUNN? Here's what Moriarty gleamed from Brad Bird - 5 Years Ago!

MORIARTY What can you tell me about RAY GUNN, and is there any chance we'll ever see it?

BRAD Well, uh, I hope so. I think it could be a really great film. Essentially, for a long time I've believed that there is an audience for animation that Hollywood has been very slow in recognizing is there. The success of SIMPSONS and KING OF THE HILL say that there is an older audience for animation, but Hollywood tends to be very myopic, and it's change is slow. You can make the arguments for more distinctive, more adult animated projects on TV now, but you've still got all these preconceived notions to overcome trying to get it to features. IRON GIANT basically represents a halfway step for me between what Hollywood can understand about feature length character animation and where I think animation can go. It has enough of the stuff that Hollywood traditionally recognizes as being in a children's film, but hopefully we've been able to kind of squeeze some adult stuff in there in a way that doesn't put kids off. There was so much misinformation about RAY GUNN...

MORIARTY It was one of those projects that I kept hearing the name of over the years, so it's sort of taken on a life of its own if you know the animation community.

BRAD Well, it's two things that are hard to sell in Hollywood. Part of it is sort of film noir, even though to me it's only that in the surface details. Really, it's more of an action movie, and it had a substantial amount of comedy in it. I see it as being very mainstream, but Hollywood saw it as being almost experimental, like, "Whoa, what the heck is this?" In animation, you're always fighting against, "Well, that might upset a 5-year-old." My feeling is, "Well, then, the 5-year-old shouldn't go. Come on, can't we make some other things?" RAY GUNN was not it was PG, you know? Maybe PG-13.

This has been one of Brad's Passion Projects for quite some time and now... At the company that is most held responsible for the pronounced "DEATH OF TRADITIONAL ANIMATION" it is looking like it is getting a new lease on life... Odd, given 5 years ago, Steve Jobs apparently told Brad that 2D animation was "basically going the way of the Buggy Whip." Well, things change... PIXAR to me has always been about story, ideas and soul. If RAY GUNN has that, it's gold whether it is rendered, drawn or acted out with sock puppets. DISNEY may not have the spirit, heart or vision to see that, but thankfully everything that was once best about Disney pulses a healthy beat in the chests of everyone at PIXAR! Thanks goes out to "Kirby" for the heads up!

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by lonecow
Dec 1st, 2003
05:45:38 PM
Dare I say it?
by BillEmic
Dec 1st, 2003
05:46:38 PM
Oh God...
by BillEmic
Dec 1st, 2003
05:46:52 PM
I spoke too soon
by BillEmic
Dec 1st, 2003
05:47:28 PM
What's so wrong about Teachers Pet?
by Elwood Blues
Dec 1st, 2003
05:48:58 PM
2D was great up until they tried to make toons cool.
by spidermanfreak20
Dec 1st, 2003
05:58:29 PM
Wouldn't it be terrific if Pixar got big enough to buy Disney?
by FrankCobretti
Dec 1st, 2003
05:59:24 PM
NB, re; kids 'n Elvis
by FrankCobretti
Dec 1st, 2003
06:02:25 PM
Disney's TEACHER'S PET looks like some really trippy shit!!!
by godoffireinhell
Dec 1st, 2003
06:05:53 PM
You misunderstood.
by spidermanfreak20
Dec 1st, 2003
06:07:33 PM
This is GREAT news
by Darquon
Dec 1st, 2003
06:11:48 PM
One more thing...
by Darquon
Dec 1st, 2003
06:12:51 PM
The future of 2-D animation is in the lower right hand corner of
by rev_skarekroe
Dec 1st, 2003
06:13:26 PM
the future is now
by gorillaskull
Dec 1st, 2003
06:34:05 PM
The Future Begins Tomorrow!
by ouagadougou
Dec 1st, 2003
06:53:32 PM
Soul as a verb?
by Silver Shamrock
Dec 1st, 2003
06:58:58 PM
CURIOUS GEORGE
by WaitAMinute
Dec 1st, 2003
07:00:35 PM
AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME!!!!!
by Smeg For Brains
Dec 1st, 2003
07:14:18 PM
Disney plays catch-up
by Dr Lizardo
Dec 1st, 2003
07:14:19 PM
The future of 2-D animation is in Japan.
by funnylookingdog
Dec 1st, 2003
07:14:27 PM
Disney in Bed with Pee Wee and his Kitch Collection
by Macstone
Dec 1st, 2003
07:16:18 PM
I'm with ya on this Harry...
by eternal76
Dec 1st, 2003
07:16:34 PM
Oh, and ouagadougou?
by Dr Lizardo
Dec 1st, 2003
07:17:54 PM
Oh damn, I meant "obscure"
by Dr Lizardo
Dec 1st, 2003
07:19:03 PM
2-D isn't dead
by FloydGandoli
Dec 1st, 2003
07:21:28 PM
The future of 2-D animation is: Aqua Teen Hunger Force!
by Lord Finesse
Dec 1st, 2003
07:31:46 PM
Jan or Feb?
by Moa Kaka
Dec 1st, 2003
07:37:18 PM
Jan or Feb - referring to "Teacher's Pet"
by Moa Kaka
Dec 1st, 2003
07:39:12 PM
Re: AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME!!!
by ChaseSequence
Dec 1st, 2003
07:43:19 PM
I think I can speak for eveyone here, if the future of 2D animat
by 007-11
Dec 1st, 2003
07:45:36 PM
you guys give head to every pixar movie ever made and then you c
by MiltonWaddams
Dec 1st, 2003
07:46:27 PM
Re: AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME!!!!!
by ChaseSequence
Dec 1st, 2003
07:48:08 PM
congrats Harry!
by DawnOfTheDead
Dec 1st, 2003
07:52:15 PM
MACSTONE.
by DawnOfTheDead
Dec 1st, 2003
07:58:01 PM
Disney 2-D isn't dead... it'll just go into hibernation for 5 to
by PattyOGreen
Dec 1st, 2003
08:26:27 PM
The Future of 2D . . .
by ChicagoRonin
Dec 1st, 2003
08:26:31 PM
Get the story straight, but not too straight.
by Lobanhaki
Dec 1st, 2003
08:30:06 PM
Hmmm
by gil-galad12
Dec 1st, 2003
08:34:33 PM
It doesn't surprise me, Eisner has always hated animation
by TimBenzedrine
Dec 1st, 2003
09:12:19 PM
spidermanfreak20, you misunderstood
by FrankCobretti
Dec 1st, 2003
09:22:03 PM
gil-galad
by XTheCrovvX
Dec 1st, 2003
09:34:34 PM
Pixar needs these guys help...
by MemBirdman
Dec 1st, 2003
09:34:59 PM
Straight to video releases.
by slugerama
Dec 1st, 2003
09:36:53 PM
Right on PattyOGreen
by Asimov's Brain
Dec 1st, 2003
10:03:22 PM
Hi Guys!
by chrth
Dec 1st, 2003
10:03:50 PM
It's just a pity
by Goneburger
Dec 1st, 2003
10:04:54 PM
The following is the text of Roy Disney's letter of resignation:
by spidermanfreak20
Dec 1st, 2003
10:20:15 PM
All together: I believe in 2D animation
by pvecu
Dec 1st, 2003
10:23:16 PM
ouagadougou-
by RenoNevada2000
Dec 1st, 2003
10:51:27 PM
Ray Gunn! Hahahahahaha!
by Jarek
Dec 1st, 2003
11:05:41 PM
Anime isn't actually animated...
by Holly_Wight
Dec 1st, 2003
11:11:49 PM
Pixar sucks
by Rupee88
Dec 1st, 2003
11:27:13 PM
Disney
by Rupee88
Dec 1st, 2003
11:29:06 PM
more from me...
by gil-galad12
Dec 1st, 2003
11:52:41 PM
The conclusions are both too specific, and too broad.
by Lobanhaki
Dec 2nd, 2003
12:08:25 AM
2D is undergoing a shift
by Wild At Heart
Dec 2nd, 2003
01:03:37 AM
2D animation and the spirit of Walt lives, my friends, and his n
by JohnnyBlueJeans
Dec 2nd, 2003
01:06:06 AM
The future of animation is in a childs eyes
by eclipsedman
Dec 2nd, 2003
01:29:06 AM
"Well, then, the 5-year-old shouldn't go. Come on, can't we make
by The Killer-Goat
Dec 2nd, 2003
02:59:12 AM
holy cow... "cartoon boobies and blood."
by The Killer-Goat
Dec 2nd, 2003
03:10:16 AM
In fact, I wholeheartedly cite "south park" as an example...
by The Killer-Goat
Dec 2nd, 2003
03:17:58 AM
Lost the plot
by BRIANBOLLOX
Dec 2nd, 2003
06:18:44 AM
EISNER!!!
by MonkeyBytes
Dec 2nd, 2003
07:05:11 AM
Animation aint what it used to be... but film styles like Emporo
by TheGinger Twit
Dec 2nd, 2003
07:21:10 AM

by thegodfather
Dec 2nd, 2003
07:36:44 AM
Innocence: Ghost in the Shell
by Ulm
Dec 2nd, 2003
08:56:58 AM
DawnOfTheDead
by Macstone
Dec 2nd, 2003
09:07:48 AM
MEN IN SUITS DONT KNOW CRAP COMPARED TO ARTISTS
by THE FAN
Dec 2nd, 2003
09:13:46 AM
GREAT ANIMATION ART
by THE FAN
Dec 2nd, 2003
09:20:58 AM
so it starts when?
by TheKingInYellow
Dec 2nd, 2003
09:29:04 AM
Lets hope it's the 2D with badly integrated CG elements that's d
by Drath
Dec 2nd, 2003
09:31:02 AM
What you miss for not waking up at 8 a.m. on Saturdays
by GilmoresRock
Dec 2nd, 2003
09:55:57 AM
didn't CBS just walk away from this Ray Gunns movie?
by Hud
Dec 2nd, 2003
10:45:19 AM
Pixar + 2D = Great News!
by Damitol
Dec 2nd, 2003
11:06:57 AM
Hud, I may be mistaken here, but...
by The Killer-Goat
Dec 2nd, 2003
11:36:45 AM
How symbolic...
by Cap'n Chaos!
Dec 2nd, 2003
11:43:57 AM
damitol, re: asian co-venture
by The Killer-Goat
Dec 2nd, 2003
12:01:12 PM
Hud, if there was no animation depepartment ,there would be no D
by TimBenzedrine
Dec 2nd, 2003
12:31:00 PM
ELFQUEST where is this film already?!?! Bluth? Bird? Madhouse? D
by StoneMonkey
Dec 2nd, 2003
12:44:46 PM
the sacred art of 2D
by buffys
Dec 2nd, 2003
12:50:03 PM
You're not so crazy Lord Finesse! There's more Energy and just p
by Klam Bake
Dec 2nd, 2003
12:54:47 PM
Teachers Pet
by DukeDeMondo
Dec 2nd, 2003
01:39:19 PM
Silly to talk about the death of 2d animation
by Gheorghe Zamfir
Dec 2nd, 2003
02:16:24 PM
Tell me I'm not the only one who thinks that "Teacher's Pet" loo
by Puddin' Taine
Dec 2nd, 2003
04:32:01 PM
Silver Age Marvel Comic style music video
by TedSallis
Dec 2nd, 2003
05:37:18 PM
2D Animation dead? Uh, where's the obituary?
by Zone Zero
Dec 2nd, 2003
07:29:23 PM
Of course 2D animation is going to thrive in Japan. It always h
by Smeg For Brains
Dec 2nd, 2003
07:53:15 PM
Michael Eisner is an EVIL CAPITALIST PIG
by FD Resurrected
Dec 2nd, 2003
08:03:05 PM
Smeg for Brains, I must give you props.
by Zone Zero
Dec 2nd, 2003
10:34:31 PM
"it takes much less artistry"?
by buffys
Dec 2nd, 2003
10:57:46 PM
buffys
by Zone Zero
Dec 3rd, 2003
02:03:06 AM
2D animation isn't dead
by CarThatAteParis
Dec 3rd, 2003
08:46:32 AM
Traditional Disney-style animation lives on......
by The Gipper
Dec 3rd, 2003
01:20:01 PM
The Legend of El Cid
by Drath
Dec 3rd, 2003
02:27:59 PM
Understand this MacStone
by Sheik Yerbouti
Dec 3rd, 2003
03:19:17 PM
on Paul Reubens on kiddie porn...
by Evil McSatan
Dec 3rd, 2003
03:54:09 PM
I probably catch hell for this, but Dreamworks' Sinbad has some
by Gere's AssGerbil
Dec 3rd, 2003
11:31:05 PM
No disrespect to computer animation...
by Smeg For Brains
Dec 4th, 2003
12:34:14 AM
No disrespect to computer animation...
by Smeg For Brains
Dec 4th, 2003
12:34:25 AM
Kim Possible
by JungleJoe
Dec 4th, 2003
12:58:13 AM
Jungle Joe
by Drath
Dec 4th, 2003
08:43:59 AM
Thank you Drath,
by TimBenzedrine
Dec 4th, 2003
11:49:34 AM
Pee Wee Part 4
by Macstone
Dec 4th, 2003
01:50:11 PM
sheesh
by tango fett
Dec 5th, 2003
11:08:51 AM
Why it will fail? Pixar`s weaknesses will be revealed to the Wor
by chien_sale
Dec 5th, 2003
08:14:52 PM
To come in a little late, perhaps...
by Absie
Dec 5th, 2003
10:28:27 PM
Mauschwitz
by tav
Dec 6th, 2003
07:19:02 AM
stuff
by Tomiyama
Dec 6th, 2003
06:27:12 PM
Well, Eisner saved Disney
by chien_sale
Dec 6th, 2003
06:49:14 PM
If you'll notice...
by Absie
Dec 6th, 2003
07:48:20 PM
Getting old
by Tomiyama
Dec 6th, 2003
07:54:50 PM
Good points Absi and Tomi
by chien_sale
Dec 7th, 2003
11:57:10 PM
late on the subject, but...
by Roxie
Dec 9th, 2003
01:02:46 AM

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