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Angel 5.8 FAQ

What’s it called?

“Destiny.”

Who’s responsible?

Teleplay is credited to David Fury (“Just Rewards”) and Stephen S. DeKnight (“Hell Bound”).

What did Coax say about this one back on Oct. 3?

* 5.8 will see the employees of Wolfram & Hart getting some kind of mystical rabies (or something), launching into murderous rages over office supplies and imagined breaches of workplace ettiquette.

* Harmony will be among those who get a case of the crazies, loudly questioning Spike’s decision to choose that “slayer whore” over her.

* The big news is Spike appears no longer to be a ghost at this point. Harmony is able to take a big bite out of Spike’s shoulder. Spike is also able to effortlessly shove employees out of their offices and slug Harm in the kisser.

* I’m guessing Spike stopped being ghosty late in 5.7. A Wolfram functionary seems to be surprised that Spike can toss him around.

* The fabulous Eve is back, and even she has to admit that things are indeed odd, even for a multidimensional law firm. “This is bad,” she confirms. “You think?” replies Angel, ordering the building sealed off.

* Looks like we may get a flashback or two with Angel and Spike in their evil, pre-automobile days.

Ha ha! Hercules was wrong about Spike not being ghostly at the end of last episode! What happened, loser?

We knew Spike turns up solid very early this week. I assumed they wouldn’t squander such a big-deal plot point at the beginning of an episode. I am a fool. Need more reason to mock the mighty Herc? The Eve-Angel dialogue quote above does not manifest.

When does Spike become solid?

In the teaser.

How does Blondie Bear become solid?

Another mysterious package turns up in the Wolfram & Hart mailroom, this time a box addressed to Spike. When he opens it, the office (and perhaps the world) is bathed in a flash of light. The box is otherwise empty. Spike quickly discovers his days of walking through walls are behind him.

Does Spike remain solid at episode’s end?

He does.

Huh. What does TV Guide say?

Drusilla (Juliet Landau) returns in flashbacks that reveal more of Angel and Spike's contentious past as the vamps race to find the Cup of Perpetual Torment in hopes of fulfilling the Shanshu prophesy. Harmony: Mercedes McNab. Eve: Sarah Thompson. Sirk: Michael Halsey.

The big news?

There are talkbackers who automatically give any “Angel” that ends with a huge revelation five stars. This is one of those episodes.

Ooo! Ooo ooo! Give us a hint about this week’s big episode-ending revelation!

Juliet Landau isn’t the only familiar face from the Buffiverse to return this week after a long absence.

The employee misbehavior is connected to the Shanshu prophesy? How does that work?

Some craziness about how the universe (and the Shanshu prophesy) can’t deal with two living ensouled vampires at once.

There were already two souled vampires in the universe before Spike fried. Why is this happening now?

“The key word here is ‘champion,’” it is explained. “Spike gave his life to save the world.”

Who’s this Sirk fellow?

He’s a expert at Wolfram who takes issue with the English translation of the Shanshu.

Angel and Spike compete to find the Cup of Perpetual Torment? Is it anything like “The Amazing Race”?

Very much like the “Amazing Race”! And even a bit like “It’s A Mad Mad Mad Mad World.” The Cup of Perpetual Torment is in Nevada!

When are the flashbacks set?

1880. They depict Angelus’ first meeting with a freshly-vamped William and events immediately subsequent.

Dru turns up in the flashbacks but not Darla?

“Darla and I had a little spat,” expains Angelus. “Her precious master sent for her. You know Darla. Master's pet.” Darla’s absence is very key, for we learn that Spike and Angel endured a romantic rivalry that preceded the birth of Buffy Summers by 100 years.

Any news of Wesley, Charles, Winifred or Krevlornswath?

Wes is wholly absent this week, conveniently taking a leave following the disturbing events with the Wyndam-Pryce-cyborg. Fred immediately shift from trying to solidify Spike to trying to end the all-pervasive chaos. Lorne is attacked by the one of the crazed employees, and Gunn becomes one.

What’s good?

The series may be placing more emphasis on stand-alone episodes, but this ain’t one of them. In fact, I think anyone who never saw a “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” or “Angel” episode before October will be lost as a little lamb.

What’s not so good?

Doesn’t Wolfram & Hart have a private jet Angel could have used?

How does “Angel” 5.8 end, spoiler-boy?

“Well,” states an old friend of Team Angel, “it’s a start.”

Herc’s rating for “Angel” 5.8?

***1/2

The Hercules T. Strong Rating System:

***** better than we deserve

**** better than most motion pictures

*** actually worth your valuable time

** as horrible as most stuff on TV

* makes you quietly pray for bulletins

9 p.m. Wednesday. The WB.

Swing the crebbil!

I am – Hercules!!





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speculations
by blckmgk13
Nov 19th, 2003
04:10:50 PM
speculations
by blckmgk13
Nov 19th, 2003
04:11:40 PM
Mr. Denisoff
by ThingsThatTimDog
Nov 19th, 2003
04:49:40 PM
Crap full of crap! These servers are slooooow
by Stoney-321
Nov 19th, 2003
06:09:37 PM
SPOILERS
by EmilyQFan
Nov 19th, 2003
06:33:11 PM
hmmm....
by Calm_b4_the_Strm
Nov 19th, 2003
07:39:50 PM
It's shows like "Angel" that encourage FOX to make...
by Holly_Wight
Nov 19th, 2003
08:23:03 PM
Both Smallville and Angel were awesome!
by alvinsimadeer
Nov 19th, 2003
10:00:51 PM
Who was the guy at the end?
by HillaryLovesMe
Nov 19th, 2003
10:03:33 PM
Great Episode
by coop
Nov 19th, 2003
10:03:49 PM
Who was that
by MiserableRainGod
Nov 19th, 2003
10:03:59 PM
It was Lindsey
by alvinsimadeer
Nov 19th, 2003
10:04:36 PM
at the end...
by coop
Nov 19th, 2003
10:07:18 PM
Lindsey???
by TAE3001
Nov 19th, 2003
10:07:18 PM
Thanks!
by HillaryLovesMe
Nov 19th, 2003
10:09:11 PM
Need input!!!
by SinDrome
Nov 19th, 2003
10:12:11 PM
Thanks for info
by MiserableRainGod
Nov 19th, 2003
10:14:10 PM
The Destiny of Lindsey
by Electric_Monk
Nov 19th, 2003
10:21:14 PM
For all the newbies...(spoilers)
by Goody2shoes
Nov 19th, 2003
10:22:01 PM
Wow!
by buckna
Nov 19th, 2003
10:22:17 PM
MY PREDICTION WHAT LINDSAY IS UP TO
by Big Papa
Nov 19th, 2003
10:23:01 PM
That was Lindsey?!!
by GravyAkira
Nov 19th, 2003
10:24:13 PM
Interesting Episode
by DanielKurland
Nov 19th, 2003
10:25:06 PM
To anyone confused about the ending
by afropuff
Nov 19th, 2003
10:25:45 PM
Lindsey in a nutshell
by jocutus
Nov 19th, 2003
10:28:25 PM
disclaimer
by jocutus
Nov 19th, 2003
10:34:21 PM
Yes, Lindsay is back; could he be our BIG BAD
by parnellbc
Nov 19th, 2003
10:35:13 PM
O MY LORD!!!
by Speedstream
Nov 19th, 2003
10:36:30 PM
and...
by Speedstream
Nov 19th, 2003
10:49:05 PM
To Hillarylovesme and any other newbies to Angel, a couple of aw
by ogonekenobi
Nov 19th, 2003
11:06:13 PM
Lindsay/Sean
by Apollo452
Nov 19th, 2003
11:15:52 PM
I agree with Big Papa
by Fred
Nov 19th, 2003
11:32:11 PM
Three Things
by DyslexicHeart
Nov 19th, 2003
11:32:44 PM
Yet another Great episode
by Whedon
Nov 20th, 2003
12:20:10 AM
"he will not defeat Spike in a fight, when becoming human is inv
by Frank_Serpico
Nov 20th, 2003
12:21:22 AM
Don't tell me Angel would have won if...
by Whedon
Nov 20th, 2003
12:27:36 AM
whedon (the TBer not the actual person)
by blckmgk13
Nov 20th, 2003
12:50:53 AM
They were evenly matched ????
by Calm_b4_the_Strm
Nov 20th, 2003
01:45:54 AM
24 posts
by Ernie_is_evil
Nov 20th, 2003
01:56:08 AM
already 2 souled vampires?
by aat83
Nov 20th, 2003
02:09:24 AM
ive made my decision
by Sideshow Dave
Nov 20th, 2003
03:45:13 AM
GREAT ep!
by Daryl van Horn
Nov 20th, 2003
04:59:56 AM
The who's-stronger/better/meanest debate
by Thes
Nov 20th, 2003
06:57:47 AM
question
by chens
Nov 20th, 2003
07:32:32 AM
Spike's hands
by Brody77
Nov 20th, 2003
07:55:01 AM
Great ep
by wolfman911
Nov 20th, 2003
08:24:29 AM
All this whining about whether Spike could beat up Angel just av
by rev_skarekroe
Nov 20th, 2003
09:03:20 AM
THE REAL Question #2
by brother.seamus
Nov 20th, 2003
09:14:53 AM
my problem with Spike's win
by brother.seamus
Nov 20th, 2003
09:26:43 AM
Lindsay, Sean and Predictions
by Greener44
Nov 20th, 2003
10:13:06 AM
Not the "Big Bad" but the...
by superzario
Nov 20th, 2003
10:20:37 AM
its sad
by ZO
Nov 20th, 2003
11:14:55 AM
I think the arc has begun
by Whedon
Nov 20th, 2003
11:22:32 AM
I think the arc has begun
by Whedon
Nov 20th, 2003
11:23:48 AM
Angel was a pussy before Buffy came along. He's become a hero ou
by MiserableRainGod
Nov 20th, 2003
11:32:38 AM
Angel was a pussy before Buffy came along. He's become a hero ou
by MiserableRainGod
Nov 20th, 2003
11:37:52 AM
sorry for the double post
by MiserableRainGod
Nov 20th, 2003
12:08:38 PM
Oh My God!!!
by baska
Nov 20th, 2003
12:39:45 PM
Angels loss to Spike
by ThingsThatTimDog
Nov 20th, 2003
01:16:45 PM
I must say...
by Speedstream
Nov 20th, 2003
03:00:51 PM
Thanks, all
by HillaryLovesMe
Nov 20th, 2003
03:21:17 PM
what did lindsey do?
by dwam0
Nov 20th, 2003
04:03:07 PM
FAMILY GUY to return!
by 007-11
Nov 20th, 2003
04:18:33 PM
wow is right
by ILUVmyspike
Nov 20th, 2003
04:49:09 PM
Speedstream is right.
by ILUVmyspike
Nov 20th, 2003
05:01:20 PM
Spike - Buffy
by raisingarizona
Nov 20th, 2003
08:21:54 PM
Spike was a hero's journey ???
by Frank_Serpico
Nov 20th, 2003
11:24:06 PM
Angel and Spike's demon
by Calm_b4_the_Strm
Nov 20th, 2003
11:30:10 PM
souls
by superzario
Nov 21st, 2003
01:11:31 AM
spike had the chip
by punto
Nov 21st, 2003
03:32:44 AM
I am glad Spike won!
by wschiff
Nov 21st, 2003
10:22:13 AM
A Very Good Episode
by Drath
Nov 21st, 2003
11:39:03 AM
Props to Frank_Serpico for using the word "Mooseshit"
by ILUVmyspike
Nov 21st, 2003
03:54:30 PM
Explicit Angel
by EyeballTheatre
Nov 21st, 2003
04:08:02 PM
explicit sex is what makes
by Stoney-321
Nov 21st, 2003
05:15:40 PM
Spike was hardly "pussy whipped" ?????
by Calm_b4_the_Strm
Nov 22nd, 2003
09:40:10 AM
Explicit Angel, again
by EyeballTheatre
Nov 22nd, 2003
10:45:50 AM
Lindsey plot wrapping up on TNT right about now I think...
by Mad_Radhu
Nov 22nd, 2003
02:05:26 PM
remember
by eghan
Nov 22nd, 2003
05:35:34 PM
huh???
by lottie276
Nov 22nd, 2003
06:42:49 PM
Lyndsey's involvement in last 2 eps
by Torian
Nov 22nd, 2003
09:21:43 PM
fire extinguisher beating
by radjac29
Nov 23rd, 2003
12:47:39 AM
The truth of Spike vs Angel/Angelus
by HellonEarth
Nov 23rd, 2003
09:42:18 AM
fyi...
by lottie276
Nov 23rd, 2003
12:21:45 PM
where does it say...
by lottie276
Nov 23rd, 2003
12:23:38 PM
The Real truth of Spike vs Angel / Angelus
by Frank_Serpico
Nov 23rd, 2003
12:35:12 PM
Fucking a man .
by Calm_b4_the_Strm
Nov 23rd, 2003
12:43:48 PM
Good grief!
by Rogue Slayer
Nov 23rd, 2003
12:59:26 PM
"If the writers wanted to give Angel an 'out', they would have."
by Calm_b4_the_Strm
Nov 23rd, 2003
02:59:04 PM
Yes, rampant hating is very coool
by Rogue Slayer
Nov 23rd, 2003
03:21:26 PM
This is so funny....
by Daryl van Horn
Nov 23rd, 2003
03:41:52 PM
Ughh!! U still deny the truth!
by HellonEarth
Nov 24th, 2003
08:35:37 AM
where the...
by lottie276
Nov 24th, 2003
10:46:39 AM
OK-I've now seen ep 8 and who cares...
by Brody77
Nov 24th, 2003
11:16:33 AM
sorry .. cant resist
by Calm_b4_the_Strm
Nov 24th, 2003
03:23:39 PM
Got it in one
by Frank_Serpico
Nov 24th, 2003
03:30:39 PM
Angel vs. Spike arguments are getting old.
by Whedon
Nov 24th, 2003
03:42:16 PM
No new eps...
by buckna
Nov 25th, 2003
04:30:39 PM
who needs this
by Oddisee
Dec 6th, 2003
11:11:55 AM

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