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Published on Thursday, December 5, 2002 - 2:34pm |
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Clips from THE TWO TOWERS and Tons More Reviews!
Hey folks, Harry here... I'm dying. I don't get to see THE TWO TOWERS for another 12 and a half days, when I'll finally watch the film after watching the first film at the Alamo Drafthouse as part of an amazing double feature. I'm waiting, because I want to see the film that first time the way I want to see the film... with friends, family and an audience that is electric and charged beyond belief in my favorite theater on the planet. That's why I'm not in New York today or in Paris next week. I was invited and offered the chance to attend, but for me... I'm waiting. There's even a screening here in Austin this coming Monday for Press, but for the life of me, who on earth wants to see this movie with the press... ewww... Now having said that, I'm dying. Today, I've been watching these online clips and going INSANE. I want to see the movie so bad it hurts. Reading these reviews have me foaming at the mouth. I reload TheOneRing.Net at least once an hour. Their Treebeard Christmas card with Merry and Pippin in his branches... ACK!!! TOO COOL!!! Here's some clips followed by reviews....
Next up we have Elanor - Queen of the Tailend Talkbacks and goddess of geeks - She's been with us for quite some time providing insight into the lands of MiddleEarth as they affect New York City... once again, she's here early, this time with a look at THE TWO TOWERS...
Hi Harry,
Elanor from AICN tailend talkbacks. Here’s the review I promised you, spoiler, free. Thanks again for last night! (hee hee now people can wonder what I mean).
I just got back from an Academy screening of The Two Towers with my friend Michael (may his beard ever grow long). We saw the 6PM showing at Disney’s screening room at Park and 59th St.
In a word, WOW! In seven words, I can’t wait to see it again. Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, Phillipa Boyens, Wingnut and WETA have taken us to Middle Earth again. I am a Tolkien fan, know the books well and love them dearly. This is a great movie, bold, brilliant film-making from start to finish. Once again they have given us a marvelous translation of the story, spirit, tone and themes of the book into cinematic form, full of excitement, jaw-dropping action, exquisitely beautiful cinematography and, best of all, heart, soul and intelligence. Oh, and humor. Much of it from Gimli, to be sure, but all in character and well placed. However, Tolkien "purists" (those who think the book should either be filmed page for page, or who are so married to the ideas in their own minds that they cannot accept what is in the filmmakers’ minds) will likely not be pleased. As news reports have warned, The Two Towers deviates considerably from the plot we know so well. Does this harm the movie? Not a jot. The changes compress time, move the action forward and reveal character. I’m sure the changes also make it more engaging and understandable for the average non-book-reading viewer. I am amazed that the ways they found to introduce an enormous number of new characters as well as keeping four different separate story-lines going. And never fear, Tolkien fans, it all turns out like it does in the book. It’s as if the characters start at a point we know and end at a point we know, but discover a different path to get there. I do think a warning is in order for those who know the books well: for maximum viewing pleasure, be open. Scene for scene it is not as close to the book at Fellowship was. But don’t worry. Every time I thought "why are they saying that? How will they get to….oh! I see. Like I said, it all turns out the way it’s supposed to.
Gollum is phenomenal. He holds the screen all by himself by virtue of his acting. His CHARACTER, the one Tolkien conceived, is delivered in riveting fashion. His very first scene had me crying. And about six other scenes, too. And PJ doesn’t hide him behind rocks or branches. He is boldly out there. His misery, his cunning, his malice and his great aching loneliness are all beautifully portrayed. Forget the technical achievement, which is stunning enough. What I saw was a performance by a 500 year-old Ring-addicted hobbit. I just giggled all the way out of the theater thinking of all the bitching in talk-backs about Gollum. Ha! I suppose not everyone will agree with the filmmakers’ concept and execution of him (he’s perfect to me), but anyone who is not moved by this depiction of him is devoid of emotion or just plain dead.
All the acting is great. The only reservation I felt was a little bit Faramir but that was likely because there is a big change in his story line, even though many familiar elements are present. I confess to wanting more Gandalf (not while I was watching, but now, thinking about it). There is great stuff from Eomer (yay, new swoons!) Theoden, Eowyn (great little scene with Aragorn that had me squealing) and Grima. Treebeard was a surprise (I successfully avoided spoilers of him) a very good surprise. His scenes with Merry and Pippin undergo a great deal of change, but, again, it all leads to the same place.
All the Fellowship characters have a chance to deepen and grow. Not long scenes but enough to show their friendship and loyalty and love of one another. Viggo delivers completely and his scenes with Arwen are sweet and sad. I know some folks were worried that in the emphasis on Helm’s Deep that somehow Frodo and Sam would get shortchanged. Nope. (DoT take note) They are still firmly in center focus. Elijah and Sean are marvelous together. Some alarming things happen to them that you won’t expect and an especially harrowing moment toward the end that both actors play to the hilt. My heart was in my throat. I’m thrilled there were Elves at Helm’s Deep and that we got some nice scenes with Elrond and Arwen. (Even Dufy will finally be happy, I think, about one of Elrond’s lines.)
The movie sweeps you along, just as FOTR did, and it is a wonderful ride. I really can’t wait to see it again. It drives to a visual and emotional climax on three fronts. And the ending, while not a cliffhanger, is really cool. Again, my non-Tolkien-fan friend said "that didn’t feel like three hours". His only disappointment was that someone had told him Sean Bean was going to show up in this film. I asked him if he could follow what was going on. He said, not always, but I know it’s a battle between good and evil and what’s happening on the screen is so fascinating, the film-making is so marvelous, I just enjoy it.
Some non-spoiler-spoilers: no sewers and no wizard-ka-bob. Yay! Also, there are also some scenes that we saw in the trailers that are NOT in this, (just like FOTR) so I’m expecting them in the extended version. When the screen went black I felt like saying NO! Don’t end here! More! More!
One last thing, the Gollum song plays over the credits and it's weirdly wonderful and goes very well with the Gollum we’ve just spent hours with.
I could write more of course, but now I want to go back and read all the earlier reviews that I missed.
Take care, mellyn and may you each see it soon.
elanor
Sigh... Elanor... till we have another such night... oh even now as my heart breaks, I take you next to Mouldy, who saw the film in Oslo...
Hi Harry! Greetings from Oslo!
I was very privileged to see The Tow Towers at the impressive Colosseum Cinema in Oslo a few days ago. I have been dying to post my thoughts on the film ever since then, but I have been away on a short break with my wife.
All the same there is not much more I can tell you that has not already been said. I would like to add a few things that I think truly make this movie great, and better than the first.
The most powerful aspect of this film is that we have not time to spare, unlike Fellowship that spends almost an hour and a half of screen time introducing characters, places, historical events, cultures etc etc, this film just throw you into the deep end and lets you fend for yourself. The introductions of the Rohan court, the Dunland Men, the new characters, Gollum and the Ranger’s of Ithilien are all executed with a far better precision than in Fellowship. I think about thirty minutes of film is really spent doing basic introductions, the film tends them to expose certain aspects of characters, places, events and so on as the film goes on in a more subtle fashion than Fellowship. The best example is Gollum, he has a short monologue in the first hour of the film that will bring a tear to your eye. Peter and Andy have created the entire character, his struggle between Gollum and Smeagol, his ! background, his lust for the Ring in one impressive speech. It also has a frightening emotional impact that is almost always lacking in psychological based characters in film. If Andy does not win best supporting actor, and if Peter does not win best director it will be nothing short of a crime.
I read too on another review posted to TheForce.Net (yes I am a big Star Wars fan) that the energy and bonding of the characters are like the original classic Star Wars trilogy, something that the first two lacked. I would like to re-enforce this point to the max. The energy and chemistry these actors have on screen is amazing, in some scenes the electricity literally zaps you in your seat. It is a little unfortunate that the worst aspect of the characters in the story is the Aragorn/Arwen love sub-plot, it just does not work as a series of dream sequences and flashbacks. But if you can look past that everything else works very nicely. The Eowyn/Aragorn love triangle stuff is brilliant, there is more chemistry here I my opinion than in the love scenes from Fellowship with Aragorn and Arwen, I so have the hots for Miranda Otto now! I must see it again if only for her. The only other thing I wil! l say is Gollum is again perfect here, he just fits into the Sam/Frodo sub-plot of friendship so well and really challenges them both to be true to each other. The final scene of the film will utterly break your heart, Sam really steals the end of the show only to be shown up to Gollum who finally allows his darker self to take over, he will let “her” kill the Hobbits and then he’ll take the Ring…. **Sense of impending Doom! Dang must wait another year.
But as I already hinted there are things I disliked, in fact almost hated. The whole Elves sub-plot is totally bogus and it ruins the pace of the film. There is some really slow scenes that work fine by themselves, but then they cut an Elrond/Galadriel argument in the middle of them and the whole film becomes a bit stilted. It was like the editing of the Caradhras sequence where Saruman king of spoke to himself in a real theatrical monologue sense almost as if he was Gandalf’s thoughts during the whole scene. It just interrupted the flow of the film. Thankfully however, just like Fellowship the film moves on quickly and we are spared any more torture. Some people have already mentioned a small prologue in the middle of the film, it is pointless really and needed to come earlier! Having said that all the Elven scenes, including the Live flashbacks could have been done in about 8 minutes of scre! en time as one single scene, well maybe two and then we could leave it and then have the Elves show up at the Deep.
Another thing I disliked was Faramir, he was one of my beloved characters from the book and he has been completely re-written almost as a new character. I remember a noble man, somewhat tempted by able to control it almost like Aragorn. To me he was like an Aragorn who had been hardend by endless war on the boarders of Mordor. This then lent itself to the reasons why Eowyn chooses to marry him in the end, or at least that is what I thought. Peter’s Faramir is like an older Boromir, he is not as reckless, he is more talented but he is still tempted. He does however redeem himself! After Sam puts Faramir back in his place (I was cheering for Sam, Go SAM!) he has a change of heart and sacrifices his life to let Frodo go. A bit cheesy really as Boromir kind of dies for a similar reason, but it brought a tear to my eye and made you feel like you did when Fellowship ended. Now just to be clear, Fara! mir does not die, his captain tells him he will be punished by death if he lets them go. Obviously Denethor has somehow fallen under the influence of evil because the Gondor soldiers are not exactly nice people, they a bitter like Boromir.
The battle with the Wargs was a little poor in terms of CGI, and Aragorn falling off the cliff seemed somewhat cliché to me! I mean how many times can a main character appear to die in these films??? I mean Frodo does it AGAIN in ROTK! But is served the purpose of the film so I guess it was ok… Oh and it was the only Arwen scene that rocked. She turns up all glowing and kisses Aragorn, at which point he wakes up to find Brego at his side. The Ents sometimes felt too CGI as well, but they make up for it by being the coolest trees ever, I love the way they talk! There was not enough Gandalf The White, there was also not enough of Legolas and Gimli, well Gimli gets a lot of screen time as the laugh factor but that is all. You will all die with laughter at Helm’s Deep when Gimli tells Aragorn to do something, reference to FOTR here! It got the biggest laughs at the screening if I remember correctl! y.
But that was pretty much it for my hates… My favourite scenes are, in no particlar order:
- Helm’s Deep: Just way too much to take in, must see it again!
- The Ents DESTROY Isengard: The BEST part of all!
- Samwise and his speeches: Go SAM!
- Gollum: particularly his monologue and the very end of the film!
- The Ringwraiths: Fell Beasts rock! I want one!
Overall I cried in a bout ten different scenes in this film, and I suspect that when I see it again that I will be more comfortable with what I did not like about the film. I mean the Faramir stuff is growing on me right now. I think I will have to say that it won’t win best picture, simply because you have to see it more than once to take it all in! I am sure I have missed so much and I even think that some scenes I have forgotten about because I was so overwhelmed!!! Anyway this review was longer than I intended it to be so I will stop now…
All you fans – rest assured this film rocks!!!
Regards,
Mouldy
Next we have Ms. X, who saw the film at a Washington D.C. screening with about 20 other reviewers there... here's what she had to say...
got to see Two Towers yesterday morning here in washington d.c. new line had the screening in the wonderful 'uptown theater' and they were only about 20 people there! very nice way to see it. (feel sorry for those who got the MTV crap)
let me just say, this movie was AWESOME, it'll be said again and again in the coming weeks. in my opinion it was better that FOTR. since i havent read the books and i dont want to give spoilers i wont get into detail (plus i dont have much time).
the battle scenes were simple brilliant. i was literally on the edge of my seat and secretly making gestures of victory toward the screen. i'd say the battle at helms deep, although broken up, lasted a good while--about 30 min. or more (i am a bad judge of time during a movie.) gollum was amazing also. i was extremely impressed overall with the quality of the CGI, especially in gollum and the orak hai troops. they dont look anything like GCI footage (bravo Jackson). the cinematography is also impressive, especially the opening sequence.
my last comment has to be on peter jackson. this man is going all out to do these films justice and it is obvious. we need more directors like him around! you all are gonna be stunned and dazzled with this film, it is just wonderful. sorry this is so short and quick but i have to get going.
anywho, i've contributed before but havent in a while since not much goes on around here. hope to bring you some more stuff if the opportunity arises.
Ms. X
Next from the same screening as Ms. X comes "Writers do it between the covers" - who was disappointed in the film... Here's his review and his problems with it...
I saw The Two Towers at an engagement in Washington, DC on December 2nd.
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
**1/2
One of the best parts of "Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring" was the sense of a small person discovering a world much larger than he ever imagined. Like all good fantasy stories, the hobbit Frodo Baggins (Elijah Wood) is compelled by forces much larger than himself to take a role in changing the world.
At the end of part one of "The Fellowship of the Ring," the fellowship was forced to divide. Frodo and his hobbit-friend, Sam (Sean Astin) journey to the dark land of Mordor, Aragorn (Viggo Mortenson), Legolas (Orlando Bloom), and Gimli (John-Rhys Davies) attempt to rescue two hobbits, Merry (Dominic Monaghan) and Pippin (Billy Boyd). Although this cliffhanger of an ending appears to have a great second part, the ensuing story disappoints.
In "The Two Towers," the second part of the series, Frodo's part is minimized, as are all the other characters, in favor of gratuitous action and war scenes. Normally, this would not be a problem. But in this movie, one gets the sense that the fights are the hallmarks of the movie, and things like dialogue and plot are brief interludes between the violence.
At three hours in length, "The Two Towers" does not pass as quickly as the first film. The characters are not adequately developed and things like plot and the locations where battles are fought are not well explained. Although we learn that the kingdom of Rohan is under the manipulation of Saruman (Christopher Lee), we do not understand why this is so sinister besides the fact that Saruman is a corrupted wizard. Through the movie, the significance of the characters is subservient to battle scenes.
In addition, many of the characters continue their roles from the previous film as if there was no character development at all. The heir to the throne of Men, Aragorn (Viggo Mortenson) has halfhearted flashbacks to his love, the elf Arwen (Liv Tyler). He also does his share of staring stoically into the camera and saying nothing.
Like the first movie, the ring of power is a character, but in this movie, it feels extravagant. Too many shots are concerned with Frodo gazing lustfully at the ring. The only interesting character is the creature Gollum (Andy Serkins), whose nature is divided by the ring's power. In addition, Gollum is the best CGI image ever created, and his presence looks completely realistic.
Die-hard "Lord of the Rings" fans will flock to the movie regardless of what any review will say, but those who are hesitant about epic stories or who did not care for "The Fellowship of the Ring" should stay away. The story feels like it's stretched too thin and action scenes go on too long without adequate explanation or provocation. Although all viewers will not be disappointed, it is best to go into the movie with lowered expectations.
Writers do it between covers.
Alrighty - well then, next we have "Hey Now" Hank who feels there's plenty of story, character and movie to go along. Here ya go...
The opening scene of The Two Towers provides an outstanding, yet very brief, taste of action, cinematography, and special effects, only to be matched (and far surpassed) in the final hour of the film. The stunning events of the third hour of The Two Towers are undoubtedly the centerpiece of the film, and while the first two hours serve finely as story development, they primarily build anticipation for the final hour, which mostly depicts the battle of Helm's Deep. More than anything else, the first two hours merely tease and torment the patient audience. It's a shame that such a gap has to exist between the first minute and the final hour, but I take no reservations in saying that despite how you feel about the first two hours of the film, the final hour will make the wait entirely worth its while.
As stated, the road to the battle of Helm's Deep can be enormously long and painful for any viewer aware of what breathtaking scenes await towards the end of the film. Perhaps The Two Towers' biggest fault is in its own accomplishments; the first two thirds of the film are well shot, well paced, and they necessarily and adequately progress the storyline, but when compared to the spectacular final hour, the first two hours seem uneventful and insignificant. However, to be fair, I feel that it's simply impossible to create two hours of film that could appropriately lead into the battle of Helm's Deep. It's difficult to comprehend how such scenes came to exist in the rather short amount of time Peter Jackson has had to create six hours (so far) of finished film. The battle of Helm's Deep is simply unreal; it's unlike any event that has come to pass since fantasy films gained, and regained, popularity.
As assumed, The Two Towers begins where The Fellowship of the Ring ended. The majority of the film follows four separate groups and their story lines: Frodo and Sam; Aragorn and Legolas, Merry and Pippin, and Saruman and his army. The performances live well up to the standards of the first film, with a particularly notable performance from Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn, whose role is significantly larger in The Two Towers. Aragorn satisfies a thirst for someone to root for, a thirst that was left partly unquenched in Fellowship. It's much easier to root for Aragorn than it is for Frodo; Aragorn has many more qualities of a leading man, a soldier, and a hero. More than once did the audience, filled mostly with academy voters, applaud the heroics of Aragorn. Gollum also shines in a much-welcomed large role, due to extremely realistic computer animation, and a fine performance from Andy Serkis, upon which the animation was modeled. In Fellowship, it was appropriate to consider Gollum one of the many great 'features' of the film. However, here he is more of a leading character and a 'star,' and his convincing dual-personality, stabbing voice, and well-choreographed body movements make him consistently eye-grabbing and the center of focus of nearly every scene in which he appears.
As was The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers is a visual delight. Those who have seen Fellowship are no doubt familiar with the beauty of the landscapes of New Zealand. The cinematography is, again, one of the best aspects of the film. The swooshing camera movements that follow the armies and horsemen throughout the fields are extremely satisfying in this post-Matrix era. The shots of the ascending enemy-laden ladders in the battle of Helm's Deep are terrifying and chillingly gorgeous all at once. The visual effects take an appropriate leap forward from those of the first film. While the visual effects in Fellowship were outstanding, the battle of Helm's Deep provides for the best application of CGI since the rippling waves of The Matrix's 'Bullet Time.' The battle of Helm's Deep features absolutely awe-inspiring and seamless integration of acting, stunts, and computer animation. Each orc seems to have its own personality, demonstrated in its movements and visual features. The masses of armies fight with strategy and true character, which I imagine is much harder to accomplish than animating thousands of identical clone troopers. The only problem I have with the visual department is the look of Gimli, the Treebeard. Gimli's visual features seem a bit childish and uninspired, inconsistent with the standards set by the rest of the film. But again, there is simply nothing that compares to the battle of Helm's Deep. George Lucas and the Wachowski brothers certainly have not created anything that approaches the grandness and magnificence of The Two Towers' final hour, and I doubt they will do so anytime soon.
In The Fellowship of the Ring, I had a few minor problems with Howard Shore's score. While I thought it was gorgeous and it established several very memorable themes, I don't think it handled the sentimental scenes (opening in the Shire, Gandalf's passing) properly. I thought it caved in to the melodrama a bit too much, resembling the emotions from James Horner's Titanic. However, I believe that The Two Towers requires the type of score which Howard Shore accomplishes best: dark, continuous, and unrelenting, as demonstrated in Se7en and Silence of the Lambs. The theme used in many of the action scenes in Fellowship (low brass, six notes repeated with a rest in between) is much more present in The Two Towers, appropriately. A brand new theme is also unveiled, the theme for Rohan, a prominent kingdom in Middle Earth. Rohan's theme is played more often than any other melody in the film, underscoring most of the memorable and heroic scenes with great effect. Howard Shore undeniably exhibits his skills as an 'A-list' composer, and with a possible double Oscar nomination this year for The Two Towers and Gangs of New York, he could get propelled to the very top of the 'A-list,' right beside John Williams and Hans Zimmer in terms of demand.
Unfortunately, it's hard to imagine The Two Towers winning Oscars in anything but the technical categories. It may in fact rack up a large amount of nominations, as did Fellowship, but the competition in the picture and director categories is stiffer than last year, and with two potential best pictures up its sleeve (Chicago and Gangs of New York), Miramax seems likely to take the crown.
If not the picture itself, there should be a way to recognize and award the battle of Helm's Deep. It is evident that neither the Academy nor the viewing public will witness anything remotely like the final hour of The Two Towers this year. The battle of Helm's Deep represents successful filmmaking in its highest form. The choreography of the battle, the visual effects, the pacing, acting, cinematography, and music, all work together in perfection to achieve grand filmmaking which is as entertaining and enjoyable as film can be. For this very reason, no one, whether a fan of Fellowship or not, should miss The Two Towers.
-"Hey Now" Hank
Harry here... if you've made it this far... you're probably dying. You're shakingly excited and you need something to calm you... well, the following link won't do that. You'll get even more charged...
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And the influx begins
by Glass | Dec 5th, 2002
02:38:50 PM | it's agonizing being Harry....
by cameron fry | Dec 5th, 2002
02:42:24 PM | I take it back
by Glass | Dec 5th, 2002
02:43:55 PM | does this movie need reviews?
by ZO | Dec 5th, 2002
02:49:33 PM | One thing we can be sure
of....
by JimmyTheHand | Dec 5th, 2002
02:51:04 PM | I agree
by Glass | Dec 5th, 2002
02:52:03 PM | lotr movies
by fun guy | Dec 5th, 2002
03:04:09 PM | I didn't read Return of the
King but please tell me the
ending i
by Sea Bass | Dec 5th, 2002
03:04:45 PM | It takes more than that
by JimmyTheHand | Dec 5th, 2002
03:09:33 PM | I wonder...
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03:18:02 PM | "The Tow Towers?
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03:19:40 PM | Ahhhhhh, every time you think
AICN has lost it's magic
(boring E
by chuckrussel | Dec 5th, 2002
03:20:53 PM | The wargs...
by ANGELS-EGG | Dec 5th, 2002
03:22:02 PM | Gollum has clothes you idiot
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03:24:10 PM | AOTC it tripe
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03:28:10 PM | Buck Rogers kills Star Wars
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03:31:03 PM | Ok, he has a pair of shorts
by Sea Bass | Dec 5th, 2002
03:31:39 PM | Elfkiller...
by Nordling | Dec 5th, 2002
03:32:41 PM | And can we get through one
LOTR talkback without you
Tolkien que
by Sea Bass | Dec 5th, 2002
03:33:09 PM | Ok so we find the "Writers do
it between the covers" guy and
clo
by Russman | Dec 5th, 2002
03:33:18 PM | Gollum will be in plenty of
bright light
by MinasTirithII | Dec 5th, 2002
03:34:12 PM | Harry, put something up about
the NBR awards.
by exPFCWintergreen | Dec 5th, 2002
03:34:50 PM | The wargs don't look that
great to me, but in context I
assume t
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03:35:54 PM | Gollum is not smooth like Yoda
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03:36:15 PM | sea bass
by fun guy | Dec 5th, 2002
03:36:36 PM | Did you laugh when Jar Jar
stepped in Poo??
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03:39:25 PM | FIRST!
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03:40:36 PM | At least Christopher Lee gets
to be in a good film this year
by MinasTirithII | Dec 5th, 2002
03:43:47 PM | JQuintana
by Glass | Dec 5th, 2002
03:45:18 PM | I agree with Springheel jack -
I thought the FOTR f/xs were
kick
by Ralph Cifaretto | Dec 5th, 2002
03:45:57 PM | I'm not going to read that
boring tripe.
by Sea Bass | Dec 5th, 2002
03:46:26 PM | Then leave Sea Bass
by MinasTirithII | Dec 5th, 2002
03:49:33 PM | Star Wars can't touch SECOND
BREAKFAST
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03:52:25 PM | can't wait any longer
by raker | Dec 5th, 2002
03:52:34 PM | Is the new GIF Harry's
infamous Blade2 review?
by Darth Phallus | Dec 5th, 2002
03:57:34 PM | What is this, "Dueling Geeks?"
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03:57:38 PM | let's go fishing
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04:02:35 PM | "PJ more like BEE J."
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04:02:58 PM | Adult books, my *ss!
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04:06:05 PM | Ooo, someone caught me in a
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04:07:34 PM | stfu Sea Bass
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04:09:52 PM | What's a "Rohen Rider"?
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04:14:20 PM | Elfkiller Returns!!!
by Praetor | Dec 5th, 2002
04:15:08 PM | Thanks Edison
by MinasTirithII | Dec 5th, 2002
04:15:08 PM | Truce
by Morage | Dec 5th, 2002
04:15:44 PM | Edison, the reason you don't
care about positive reviews
is.....
by metsrulein2k | Dec 5th, 2002
04:16:55 PM | Star Wars never gets any
by metsrulein2k | Dec 5th, 2002
04:17:51 PM | then what Morage ??
by Even_Se7ven | Dec 5th, 2002
04:23:22 PM | Time to get serious
by Jar Jar Boinks | Dec 5th, 2002
04:23:57 PM | ATOC was shit with Men's
Cologne on it.....
by Even_Se7ven | Dec 5th, 2002
04:35:56 PM | anyone else agree that "Hank"
is a fool?
by iamyourgod00 | Dec 5th, 2002
04:41:23 PM | Snap Quiz to determine if
Peter Jackson is any good
by Jar Jar Boinks | Dec 5th, 2002
04:51:54 PM | According to EW, TTT is "TOO
WEIGHTLESS TO BE MEMORABLE"
by Atticus Finch | Dec 5th, 2002
04:55:17 PM | Bless you, Springheel Jack...
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04:58:07 PM | I could use a good swoon
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04:58:31 PM | JoshSlates, you fucking
cockmunch...
by Nordling | Dec 5th, 2002
05:00:10 PM | Re: Snap Quiz
by Judo John | Dec 5th, 2002
05:00:41 PM | Star Wars vs. LotR...
by Lord_Marvin | Dec 5th, 2002
05:01:57 PM | Atticus is absolutely correct
by Jar Jar Boinks | Dec 5th, 2002
05:03:12 PM | and CHEERS For the GLOWING
REVIEWS AOTC's had.....
by Even_Se7ven | Dec 5th, 2002
05:04:03 PM | HAHAHAHA!!!
by BrianT | Dec 5th, 2002
05:04:33 PM | OK...how do we fix this.
by Lord_Marvin | Dec 5th, 2002
05:09:38 PM | Way to screw with the talkback
width, assmunch
by minderbinder | Dec 5th, 2002
05:09:52 PM | I love you elfkiller, I just
wanted you to know that
by JacksonsBane | Dec 5th, 2002
05:11:13 PM | Even_Se7vev, thank you for
proving my point
by Atticus Finch | Dec 5th, 2002
05:16:17 PM | Theres no argument regarding
SW v LOTR
by Miss Aura | Dec 5th, 2002
05:23:36 PM | Ms. Aura...
by Lord_Marvin | Dec 5th, 2002
05:27:42 PM | Miss Aura, your opinion may
hold water if....
by metsrulein2k | Dec 5th, 2002
05:33:09 PM | Its my opinion
by Miss Aura | Dec 5th, 2002
05:44:38 PM | About that one dolt who
disliked the movie...
by Butch_McTavish | Dec 5th, 2002
06:08:52 PM | I love the trolls...
by ABAR | Dec 5th, 2002
06:29:48 PM | LOTR is gay?
by King_Midas | Dec 5th, 2002
06:45:15 PM | Who the fuh is "Gimli, the
Treebeard"?
by PanDuh | Dec 5th, 2002
06:45:25 PM | Here we go again...
by Lord_Marvin | Dec 5th, 2002
06:48:48 PM | You can't be serious...
by BrianT | Dec 5th, 2002
07:00:37 PM | can't we all just get
along?!?!?
by scott5309 | Dec 5th, 2002
07:02:09 PM | SW vs LOTR
by King_Midas | Dec 5th, 2002
07:06:04 PM | EW review
by SlappyJoe | Dec 5th, 2002
07:06:22 PM | To Sum Up...
by Lord_Marvin | Dec 5th, 2002
07:13:31 PM | Box Office...
by Lord_Marvin | Dec 5th, 2002
07:21:06 PM | Bigpackagemax
by Miss Aura | Dec 5th, 2002
07:21:25 PM | EW Review
by King_Midas | Dec 5th, 2002
07:22:24 PM | Its called opinion
smalldickmax
by Miss Aura | Dec 5th, 2002
07:23:33 PM | SW vs. the World
by SlappyJoe | Dec 5th, 2002
07:23:46 PM | Lucas
by King_Midas | Dec 5th, 2002
07:27:45 PM | SlappyJoe...
by Lord_Marvin | Dec 5th, 2002
07:28:55 PM | Sorry for the language
by Miss Aura | Dec 5th, 2002
07:30:50 PM | Lord Marvin
by King_Midas | Dec 5th, 2002
07:32:32 PM | So that's what separates
Jackson from Lucas...
by SlappyJoe | Dec 5th, 2002
07:33:03 PM | I gotta be honest about the SW
vs. LOTR taunts, they make for
go
by Butch_McTavish | Dec 5th, 2002
07:39:44 PM | The Hobbit...
by Lord_Marvin | Dec 5th, 2002
07:39:47 PM | As per usual Elanor, nice
work...
by Conan_the_Humble | Dec 5th, 2002
07:43:36 PM | Lord of the Rings has no soul.
by Dink Meeker | Dec 5th, 2002
07:48:08 PM | Gollum looks pretty crappy in
those trailers
by Gunzilla | Dec 5th, 2002
07:49:22 PM | Sorry Star Wars Losers. Come
DEC 18 "The Two Towers" is
going to
by JarJar25 | Dec 5th, 2002
07:49:43 PM | dink meeker(sp?)
by Lord_Marvin | Dec 5th, 2002
07:51:26 PM | heres the thing...
by jimdin2001 | Dec 5th, 2002
07:52:45 PM | don't forget Xmen 2
by superfriend | Dec 5th, 2002
07:53:50 PM | Dink Meeker
by King_Midas | Dec 5th, 2002
08:02:26 PM | Empire, TTT: Modern vs.
Post-Modern Blockbuster
by 7 | Dec 5th, 2002
08:04:57 PM | Warning to Non-FOTR Fans
by sparkdog | Dec 5th, 2002
08:13:04 PM | 7
by King_Midas | Dec 5th, 2002
08:13:19 PM | Hey Dink... right here!
by Butch_McTavish | Dec 5th, 2002
08:13:29 PM | Cold Rings?
by sparkdog | Dec 5th, 2002
08:23:37 PM | THIS SW VS. LOTR BULLSHIT IS
FUCKING RETARDED, CHILDREN!
by VistaSierra | Dec 5th, 2002
08:36:30 PM | Again I say...Lord of the
Rings has no soul
by Dink Meeker | Dec 5th, 2002
08:43:36 PM | Dink...
by bdawg | Dec 5th, 2002
08:55:23 PM | To those who acuse LOTR of
having no soul.
by Hetfool | Dec 5th, 2002
08:58:58 PM | I'm so sick of trying to come
up with a Subject Name for
these t
by JustAnotherGuy | Dec 5th, 2002
09:16:01 PM | Fluffygreycat2 and the other
crazed fan-idiots
by exPFCWintergreen | Dec 5th, 2002
09:18:36 PM | King Midas
by 7 | Dec 5th, 2002
09:24:29 PM | why Dinks right
by meccabod 1 | Dec 5th, 2002
09:35:11 PM | King Mida (correction)
by 7 | Dec 5th, 2002
09:36:16 PM | Star Wars & LOTR- Cant We All
Just Get Along?
by NickFoley | Dec 5th, 2002
09:37:38 PM | Well said, Hetfool! And
Bjarki56, I agree with your
well though
by Butch_McTavish | Dec 5th, 2002
09:41:06 PM | This is the only post you need
to read
by IAmLegolas | Dec 5th, 2002
09:54:25 PM | Wow. The LOTR Trekkies are
some SAD insecure Wankers, eh
eh?
by KingKarll | Dec 5th, 2002
10:03:09 PM | Because Lord of the Rings is
doing well, we have some sore
SW lo
by Jamboreech | Dec 5th, 2002
10:24:24 PM | hang in there Harry
by Z of X | Dec 5th, 2002
10:29:30 PM | pretty tenuous rip offs
by Rhoemer | Dec 5th, 2002
10:47:36 PM | It ain't about SW vs LOTR
by Hetfool | Dec 5th, 2002
10:51:21 PM | No soul
by sparkdog | Dec 5th, 2002
10:51:48 PM | A Big Homer Simson D'UOH! From
Me For Not Realizing There Is
A P
by sparkdog | Dec 5th, 2002
10:57:10 PM | Not as sad as the Star Wars
dorks
by Jamboreech | Dec 5th, 2002
10:58:16 PM | Fluffygreycat, you snide
little punk.
by exPFCWintergreen | Dec 5th, 2002
11:03:22 PM | jamboreech... that stuff
seriously makes you "roll
around in you
by Rhoemer | Dec 5th, 2002
11:07:10 PM | These MOVIES have no soul
by Dink Meeker | Dec 5th, 2002
11:10:48 PM | RE
by Jamboreech | Dec 5th, 2002
11:24:15 PM | Rheenor whatever your name is
its obvious you've never read
lord
by Jamboreech | Dec 5th, 2002
11:37:32 PM | We're really repeating
ourselves at this point
by FranklinCobb | Dec 5th, 2002
11:43:44 PM | WTF? Where are the DVD for
Ep. 1,2,3? ANd the DVD for
Raiders
by Darth Phallus | Dec 5th, 2002
11:45:56 PM | Well Franklin
by exPFCWintergreen | Dec 5th, 2002
11:46:03 PM | Also, Frank
by exPFCWintergreen | Dec 5th, 2002
11:49:09 PM | I remember a talkback a while
back when......
by exPFCWintergreen | Dec 5th, 2002
11:55:12 PM | elanor, I bow before your
grace & wisdom
by Butch_McTavish | Dec 5th, 2002
11:55:31 PM | I remember a talkback a while
back when......
by exPFCWintergreen | Dec 5th, 2002
11:56:00 PM | Don't double post either.
by exPFCWintergreen | Dec 5th, 2002
11:57:37 PM | Willow: The Two Towers
by MrLimey | Dec 6th, 2002
02:09:52 AM | If you haven't read the book,
STFU
by Dracos | Dec 6th, 2002
02:13:57 AM | Darth Homercles
by Mostholy | Dec 6th, 2002
02:15:39 AM | EW Review is ridiculous
by emeraldluxury | Dec 6th, 2002
02:23:33 AM | Come on now people,
by Conan_the_Humble | Dec 6th, 2002
03:30:19 AM | THE HOBBIT
by venusXL | Dec 6th, 2002
03:45:18 AM | Star Wars vs. LOTR
by nataliepishot | Dec 6th, 2002
04:03:44 AM | elanor....
by freddiedaman | Dec 6th, 2002
04:36:54 AM | RE: 7
by VoxMillennium | Dec 6th, 2002
05:03:17 AM | RE: 7
by VoxMillennium | Dec 6th, 2002
05:07:38 AM | LOTR apes SW apes LOTR
by Kaitain | Dec 6th, 2002
05:41:38 AM | R re-edited version of my post
before, dubbed by some the
worst
by jimdin2001 | Dec 6th, 2002
06:19:32 AM | Elanor -- my faith in Humanity
is restored
by Anti-fanboy | Dec 6th, 2002
06:32:47 AM | Star Wars Word of Mouth
by sparkdog | Dec 6th, 2002
06:41:31 AM | and another thing
by jimdin2001 | Dec 6th, 2002
06:50:50 AM | LOTR and Christianity of
Tolkien
by sparkdog | Dec 6th, 2002
06:56:21 AM | CANT GET MAIL TO SCOOP THIS
BUT WWW.EMPIREONLINE.CO.UK SAY
KEVIN
by jimdin2001 | Dec 6th, 2002
07:03:12 AM | RE: Dink
by virkku | Dec 6th, 2002
07:03:17 AM | LOTR SW CHICKEN EGG
by talbuckin | Dec 6th, 2002
07:28:37 AM | Idiots
by MacAodha79 | Dec 6th, 2002
07:37:53 AM | RE: Talbuckin
by VoxMillennium | Dec 6th, 2002
07:47:50 AM | hands up, mistake made
by jimdin2001 | Dec 6th, 2002
07:52:42 AM | the link
by jimdin2001 | Dec 6th, 2002
07:59:31 AM | Flaming Udders!!!... no wizard
kebab?
by Balrogette | Dec 6th, 2002
08:08:52 AM | Vox
by talbuckin | Dec 6th, 2002
08:12:02 AM | sorry for my typos
by talbuckin | Dec 6th, 2002
08:13:30 AM | Well, hello there, elanor!
by AliceInWonderlnd | Dec 6th, 2002
08:19:22 AM | Balanced review of TTT at
www.theonering.com
by Orson W | Dec 6th, 2002
08:30:56 AM | Sparkdog and Star Wars
by AliceInWonderlnd | Dec 6th, 2002
08:33:25 AM | NBR Awards
by Jar Jar Boinks | Dec 6th, 2002
08:34:17 AM | Sparkdog
by Toshlines | Dec 6th, 2002
08:38:00 AM | sparkdog: from starwars.com
by talbuckin | Dec 6th, 2002
08:40:38 AM | miss aura: "most reviews said
Fellowship was better"? What
are
by minderbinder | Dec 6th, 2002
08:40:43 AM | Springheel jack talks sense
by Fishmaster | Dec 6th, 2002
08:41:52 AM | Well?
by BrianBoru | Dec 6th, 2002
09:12:07 AM | I am extremely pissed at EW
right now...
by Halloween68 | Dec 6th, 2002
09:13:05 AM | Take pity on them
by Mitchen | Dec 6th, 2002
09:14:23 AM | LOTR vs SW or Damn You All Get
More Pathetic By The Second.
by Nice Marmot | Dec 6th, 2002
09:21:15 AM | JEDIS ARE COOL!!!
by SoulReaver | Dec 6th, 2002
09:24:40 AM | These talkbacks are making me
want to stop visiting AICN...
by TheGorilla | Dec 6th, 2002
09:39:17 AM | It's hard to ignore the
LAMERS, but I'll say one
final thing
by Jamboreech | Dec 6th, 2002
10:03:24 AM | You r so right Gorilla
by Mitchen | Dec 6th, 2002
10:10:42 AM | Memories of SW///LOTR vs.
SW///Boring Talkback
by sparkdog | Dec 6th, 2002
10:12:49 AM | I love the excuses LOTR fans
are making for the EW
review!!!
by Atticus Finch | Dec 6th, 2002
10:35:50 AM | Hamlet and Don Quijote hadl
things
by CuervoJones | Dec 6th, 2002
11:08:34 AM | One EW 'B' Review is fine
by MinasTirithII | Dec 6th, 2002
11:14:34 AM | Get PJ to do EPIII
by MinasTirithII | Dec 6th, 2002
11:15:47 AM | Excuses, who needs excuses?
EW gave it a B.
by minderbinder | Dec 6th, 2002
11:18:03 AM | Atticus...
by Halloween68 | Dec 6th, 2002
11:29:15 AM | Fool's quest
by raker | Dec 6th, 2002
11:39:48 AM | TTT
by BrianBoru | Dec 6th, 2002
12:02:01 PM | I agree with Gorilla and
Atticus
by exPFCWintergreen | Dec 6th, 2002
12:16:30 PM | Dink, it's just not a good
point to make with the
examples of SW
by General Idea | Dec 6th, 2002
12:30:40 PM | I CAN'T GET THE CLIPS TO PLAY
RIGHT!
by MustangMatt | Dec 6th, 2002
12:33:18 PM | My intelligent response to
posts halfway up the TB, re:
DINK MEE
by Malik23 | Dec 6th, 2002
12:47:46 PM | Intelligent response Part II,
or
by Malik23 | Dec 6th, 2002
12:51:25 PM | TTT
by Nice Marmot | Dec 6th, 2002
01:00:01 PM | So after all the raves about
Gollum (how many times have we
read
by minderbinder | Dec 6th, 2002
01:37:57 PM | Nice Marmot &TTT
by BrianBoru | Dec 6th, 2002
01:57:32 PM | Groud?:-P
by BrianBoru | Dec 6th, 2002
02:01:58 PM | ROTK
by raker | Dec 6th, 2002
02:39:38 PM | variety mag pic at torn
by raker | Dec 6th, 2002
02:44:28 PM | Shelob
by Nice Marmot | Dec 6th, 2002
02:54:14 PM | Gollum's Song
by AbsOfJello | Dec 6th, 2002
02:59:52 PM | what's the poop on the Army of
the Dead?
by GypsyTRobot | Dec 6th, 2002
03:06:43 PM | A final word to the trolls
by Jamboreech | Dec 6th, 2002
03:17:36 PM | ryalto: you show your true
colors by bashing TTT's
effects befo
by minderbinder | Dec 6th, 2002
03:18:25 PM | Oh Holy Fuck
by Glass | Dec 6th, 2002
03:20:22 PM | All right that should be
enough
by Jamboreech | Dec 6th, 2002
03:27:44 PM | Oh and I wasn't talking about
you Ryalto in my final message
to
by Jamboreech | Dec 6th, 2002
03:30:17 PM | My point of view
by Mitchen | Dec 6th, 2002
03:40:49 PM | My final word on whether LOTR
has any soul
by Dink Meeker | Dec 6th, 2002
03:59:44 PM | Willow???!!!!
by Ed_wood | Dec 6th, 2002
04:02:34 PM | RE: Dink
by virkku | Dec 6th, 2002
04:17:33 PM | Dink Meeker
by BrianBoru | Dec 6th, 2002
04:33:33 PM | re: dink, why can't the ring
be inheritly tempting?
by empyreal0 | Dec 6th, 2002
04:33:48 PM | Who do I have to kill to make
this metafile play right?!
by MustangMatt | Dec 6th, 2002
04:35:30 PM | The concept of LOTR is pure
brilliance... Maybe the best
concept
by virkku | Dec 6th, 2002
04:35:37 PM | Story concept of SW versus
concept of LOTR
by virkku | Dec 6th, 2002
04:50:04 PM | Re: Dink
by Mitchen | Dec 6th, 2002
04:57:04 PM | gray
by raker | Dec 6th, 2002
05:00:51 PM | Fantasy Movies
by Nice Marmot | Dec 6th, 2002
05:04:29 PM | more fantasy movies
by raker | Dec 6th, 2002
05:12:30 PM | exPFCWintergreen
by Halloween68 | Dec 6th, 2002
05:17:54 PM | My vision for AICN
by GypsyTRobot | Dec 6th, 2002
05:25:19 PM | VoxM
by 7 | Dec 6th, 2002
05:30:36 PM | no one messes with the moth
by raker | Dec 6th, 2002
05:43:51 PM | LoTR soul, book vs movie
by GypsyTRobot | Dec 6th, 2002
05:53:50 PM | passing of the elves
by raker | Dec 6th, 2002
05:59:35 PM | it seems
by frank cotton | Dec 6th, 2002
06:38:45 PM | MustangMatt
by Conan_the_Humble | Dec 6th, 2002
07:00:46 PM | in defence of the other
trilogy.
by raker | Dec 6th, 2002
07:17:11 PM | MISS AURA
by frank cotton | Dec 6th, 2002
07:39:35 PM | Pollution
by Shards of Narsil | Dec 6th, 2002
10:48:52 PM | My two cents
by The Llama | Dec 6th, 2002
11:56:10 PM | Conan
by 7 | Dec 7th, 2002
01:23:19 AM | raker
by 7 | Dec 7th, 2002
01:47:38 AM | Morgoth's Balrog Vs Raker's
Moth
by Orson W | Dec 7th, 2002
04:42:44 AM | SPECIAL ME!
by Jon E Cin | Dec 7th, 2002
05:22:37 AM | TTT scores 100% on Rotten
tomatoes
by Orson W | Dec 7th, 2002
06:54:42 AM | TTT scores 100% on Rotten
tomatoes
by Orson W | Dec 7th, 2002
06:55:25 AM | RE: Narsil Returns and an
all-black cast for LOTR
by Snake-eyes | Dec 7th, 2002
08:04:26 AM | TAKE A DEEP BREATH
by MACQDOR | Dec 7th, 2002
08:31:05 AM | post-modernism
by hildebrand | Dec 7th, 2002
09:01:37 AM | post-modernism
by hildebrand | Dec 7th, 2002
09:04:19 AM | The ring as addiction.
by Daegor | Dec 7th, 2002
12:11:56 PM | Wait, the moth was CGI?
by BrianT | Dec 7th, 2002
01:49:42 PM | Narsil Returns
by The Llama | Dec 7th, 2002
01:51:42 PM | Daegor & hildebrand
by The Llama | Dec 7th, 2002
02:25:30 PM | Someon with the handle "Jar
Jar Boinks" says LOTR is for
childre
by Skyway Moaters | Dec 7th, 2002
02:32:40 PM | And the geniuses just keep
right on posting!....
by Skyway Moaters | Dec 7th, 2002
03:39:22 PM | Err, Ryalto, "... a rock and
and ass kicker"...
by Skyway Moaters | Dec 7th, 2002
05:46:21 PM | someone dispell this please
by imageburn13 | Dec 7th, 2002
05:57:38 PM | 7 religion
by raker | Dec 7th, 2002
06:06:09 PM | You are totally full of it
7...
by Skyway Moaters | Dec 7th, 2002
07:25:14 PM | Just out of curiosity Orson
W....
by Skyway Moaters | Dec 7th, 2002
09:19:17 PM | I'm sorry 7, but you're gonna
have to spell it out a bit
more cl
by Conan_the_Humble | Dec 8th, 2002
08:34:54 AM | Skyway Moaters, raker, Conan
by 7 | Dec 8th, 2002
12:58:34 PM | Before I forget
by 7 | Dec 8th, 2002
01:33:58 PM | the miller
by raker | Dec 8th, 2002
02:13:43 PM | Lord Garth & Shards of Narsil
by Miss Aura | Dec 8th, 2002
06:13:29 PM | AHH... THE ORDER IS "RANDOM"
AGAIN!
by virkku | Dec 8th, 2002
07:08:28 PM | I know MorGy
by Conan_the_Humble | Dec 8th, 2002
07:24:53 PM | it seems someone else,
slegehammer 450, scooped about
kevin smit
by jimdin2001 | Dec 8th, 2002
09:30:57 PM | Boisterous, blustery Balrog
belches and burps and
adolescent mal
by Orson W | Dec 8th, 2002
10:46:28 PM | It is Possible to Like Both
Star Wars and LOTR
by Starbuck1975 | Dec 8th, 2002
11:16:45 PM | Mighty Moth - here she comes
to save the day!
by Orson W | Dec 9th, 2002
08:31:21 AM | are there any coneys in T2T
by raker | Dec 9th, 2002
10:17:23 AM | MorGoth BHD
by raker | Dec 9th, 2002
12:37:27 PM | writers do it between the
covers wer r u?
by Legolas's babe | Dec 11th, 2002
09:42:51 AM | Sea bass heres ur answer as 2
the end of ROTK!
by Legolas's babe | Dec 11th, 2002
09:56:16 AM | Balrog
by Ringbearer | Dec 11th, 2002
07:03:18 PM |
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