A Look At Andrew Kevin Walker's Treatment to the Wolfgang Peterson's BATMAN/SUPERMAN!!!

Taken from the rejected Joel Schumacher Worlds Finest treatment(TM)

I was thinking about that line earlier at work and I couldn't stop laughing, everyone must have thought I was on crack. Hands down the best line of the year at AICN. This outline for B/S (?) sounds good so far, although I would show up for just about any comic book movie.

after the scooby poo trailer thing, we might actually be getting a decent new batman flick! but can we please have some form of the danny elfman batman sig theme in there?

They're smart to use Team Timm's work. Hope they get credit. Don't forget "Justice League" this weekend on Cartoon Network.-----later-----m

I see danger ahead, folks. I don't see how this can please both Superman fans and Batman fans -- there's just too many plotlines here. Someone's going to get cheated out of a meaty part, and it better not be the Joker!

Couldn't they just first make a GOOD Superman AND a Batman stand alone film? We could get used to the characters that way. Have them team up later. I don't really like the idea of the joker being a side kick. It could work though. It sounds interesting enough. Hope they pull it off.

Maybe.... Unless Nicolas Cage/ Superman shows up and Val Kilmer/ Batman shows up with Gene Hackman/ Luthor and Chris Rock / Joker. Then count me out!!!!!!!

Batman and Superman=cash overflow. As long as it doesn't turn into just a money spinning gimick this could be awsome.But with Walker and Petersen on board,it has my complete faith.Hats off to Warners,for realising the mistake that was Batman&Robin.

Lets just hope that Schumacher stays the hell away and has no input what so ever. This is getting very interesting, i'd rather see Year one getting made though.

Hey Warners,heres how it should be:Batman=dark and creepy,Superman=boy scout,Joker=murderously insane,Lex Luthor=very smart and very bald.No bright neon colors or disco ball under the Batmobiles hood or anything even close to WAM! BIFF! SOCK! campy crap!Oh yeah and cast unknowns!

We've been anticipating a new Superman flick for years, and if they can bring him back with the Caped Crusader and revive both franchises at the same time, well, who's complaining? I only pray that the cartooney bull of the last couple Batman flicks is nowhere to be seen here. Gotham in daylight? Does such a thing exist there? Won't Supe look out of place? Personally, I hope to see a full-scale Metropolis realized on film, in the same sort of vast scope and scale as Gotham was. Just, please, no CG capes in this one, k?

These little first-looks at script treatments always look so promising, but I'm not holding my breath for a good movie here. Let me qualify: I like this idea, I think a Bats/Sups team-up is a brilliant Idea, and the concept of Batman: Underground Detective and Superman: Public Defender is dead-on. Bringing back the joker is fantastic, he never should have been killed off in the first place. Lex needs to be there to bring back the Joker, so I can live with that. But WHY, OH WHY DO I HAVE TO PUT UP WITH ANOTHER BULLSHIT BRUCE WAYNE IN LOVE? A pin-up Mayor? Give me a fucking break. Can we just once have a Batman movie where he tracks down criminals not condoms? With the exception of Catwoman, every female lead in the series has been a waste of screen time. Let me guess, she ends up in peril at the hands of the Joker at the end of the movie and Batman has to save her, right? Ugh. Haven't seen that too many times. Get rid of the love interest and don't kill off the damn Joker and I'll be happy.

Yet another comic book movie getting A-list treatment. I love it. For me it all started with the first Superman movie. Both that and Superman II were great. The first Batman was great as well, however both series have suffered in the following years. It sounds like this movie will put both franchises back in the right direction. So hopefully after this we will get the Tim Burton Superman and the Aronofsky Batman. As for casting how about Clooney as Batman (give him another chance he could be great besides he's worked with Peterson before), Matt Damon as Superman (dye his hair black and it just might work), Nicholson as the Joker (don't fix what ain't broke), Robert DeNiro as Luthor (shave his head, and let him make up for playing fearless leader), and finally Jennifer Connely or Kim Delaney as Lois Lane (either will be fine in my book).

Lose 1) The Joker clone. Maybe a copycat killer? 2) The mayor love interest. 3) The giant robot spiders. Gain 1) Batman/Superman friction. Along the lines of that 'Batman-comes-out-of-retirement' story. 2) Darker Bruce Wane. More in common with Lex than he would like to admit. 3) More Gordon. He's really a more grounded Batman.

What the hell is wrong with you people? How come no one realizes how bad Tim Burton sucks? How many shitty movies does this guy have to make before everyone opens their eyes? PLANET OF THE APES, MARS ATTACKS & SLEEPY HOLLOW were terrible films. yeah they may have had a degree or two of visual flair but that doesn't cover up the fact that the man doesn't know how to tell a story. But everyone jumps on his jock because he's got knack for set and costume design. if he's let anywhere near Superman, he'll doom the franchise before it even has an opportunity to be revitalized.

I think a Joker movie, along the lines of an American Psycho, would be great. He's such a great, complex, character, and he deserves more exploring than a supporting role can offer. He so intersting that even though he's psychotic, an audience could embrace him just by curiosity factor alone. What do you all think?

Worlds finest my puckered bumh0le....is that the best that you millionare script( and i use the term loosely) writers can come up with? I rarely say this, but the comic fans are gonna be coming for you big time....with interest.Which is what you have shown very little of in this case.

Whats the point of having both Superman and Batman in this. Seems to me Superman VS Batman would put asses in the seats in a story where Lex turns them against each other until they...bum bum BUM team up. I LOVE the way they brought back the Joker and the fact its the REAL Joker not some reimagined crap. They do it in comics all the time and when he was created a hallmark of Batman was the Jokers constant resurrection. I love the way they accomplish this. What would have been great would have been Reeves - Keaton and Nicholson and Hackman!!!! That would have ROCKED THE HOUSE! As it is I hope they get the three that are still available. I know they might go for the younger red head Luthor but I would love to see Hackman and Nicholson even if it is geriatric. To me the Joker is dangerous like Lector and age didn't matter to Hopkins and Luthor has robots to fight so age doesn't matter for him. He's supposed ot be a rich genius not Doomsday so it could work. In any case I applaud any effort that takes this seriously and carefully plans it like Harry wrote...

Shock ! Horror ! No "someone drinking beer and cheeting on someone else" storylines. Frikkin' Warner Bros has to ruin it for everyone dont they !?

I'm liking the look of this project. Could be very compelling stuff. There are just a couple of things that I would add however. The great Roger Ebert mentioned in his great review of the terrible Batman & Robin that these movies need to be scaled down. That "there doesn't need to be two million dollars on the screen every second." Make the CHARACTERS part of the foreground, not the special effects. I agree. They shouldn't merely pretend to be interested in the psychology of these characters, but really get into what makes them tick!

then George Clooney will be Batman. You can bank on that. As for Superman? What about Antonio Sabatos Jr? Personally I would prefer they re-cast both roles with unknowns and sign them to multi-picture deals so they can do the solo movies also.________________________ As for Wolfgang directing. Don't get me wrong, the man has skills, but I think this film might need someone with a more visual flair. We're dealing with larger than life characters and a huge amount of effects. We need to see those cool slow motion steadicam shots and dramatic angles.______________Just my 2 cents.

If anyone ever meet's joel in person, punch him in the chest really hard.

And quite frankly I think those morons at WB should do the same thing. Giant robots? Clones? The Joker? Only if it,s played by Jack again. Multipule Jack,s would get my azz in a movie theater seat no matter how shallow the plot and rest of the movie might or might not be. Of coarse you know why they,re doing this don,t you...don,t you? One word people....X-Men. X-Men was a huge success and made more money than any of those suit and tie accounting types at WB ever dreamed it would. One of them has a brainstorm and thinks "Gee we should team up more comic book superheroes". How fucking novel. Well I was a fan of the superman comic books and I loved the first two Batman movies....and two face was off the hook in the third one. I just hope that they don,t make this for the mass market and instead make it for the true fans of the old school. Of coarse this is the same studio that gave us "The last action hero"....so I wouldn,t hold my breathe.

But I wonder how much more it would cost to make this a six hour film rather than a two-hour film? Okay, I know no one wants to sit through a six-hour film, but hear me out. Film a six hour movie... and release it in six one-hour "episodes" over six months. Instead of charging $7, charge $4 (and the theatres get twice as many showtimes). End each one with a clifhanger. In short, bring back the serials! I think this could be a blast. Of course, the theatres have to commit to running all six, and the first must absolutely rock. Sounds like fun to me. But like I said, I know there must be a reason why this wouldn't work....

But I wonder how much more it would cost to make this a six hour film rather than a two-hour film? Okay, I know no one wants to sit through a six-hour film, but hear me out. Film a six hour movie... and release it in six one-hour "episodes" over six months. Instead of charging $7, charge $4 (and the theatres get twice as many showtimes). End each one with a clifhanger. In short, bring back the serials! I think this could be a blast. Of course, the theatres have to commit to running all six, and the first must absolutely rock. Sounds like fun to me. But like I said, I know there must be a reason why this wouldn't work....

Some of this sounds okay and I don't mean to judge anything before I see it but...a clone of the Joker. How does a perfect genetic duplicate of Jack Napier (or if you prefer the nameless failed Comedian from The Killing Joke) allow you to get an acid scorched madman who's whole existence depends on surviving an accident that should have killed him. Is Lex Luthor going to give him an acid bath too. And you're telling me THIS is the best way Lex Luthor could terrorize Gotham; by cloning an unpredictable madman, then reproducing the accident that made him go over the edge, then releasing him on the public. Christ, it's this kind of pseudo-science nonsense that kills comic book movies. Not only does it make NO sense, it puts the Joker in the position to be a cackling sidekick like Two-Face in Batman Forever. Also, Batman falling for the hot mayor is just plain LAME. I mean, I like what I hear about Superman and Batman. Some of it sounds promising. But Joker clones and buxom mayors? C'mon people, have we learned nothing?

That whole "has a beer and cheets on his wife" thing? Where did it come from? Anyone? Bueller?

Cher as the Joker, Chris Elliot as Batman, Elton John as Lex Luthor and Harry Knowles as Superman. Such a huge fan...

Instead of wasting countless hundreds of millions of dollars on this terrible, terrible idea. Why not take the money and put it into films which people will actually want to see. THIS IS SUCH A STUPID IDEA FOR A FILM.

I'm not exactly aware of what's trendy in comic circles...but Jack Nicholson kicked ass as the joker. I guess he won't do it if there's no Burton...but come on, he would rule again as the joker. PLUS- Nicholson wouldn't stand for that bullshit cloning plot..if they could write him in some other way..then cool. If not, why not bring in another Bat-fiend? any sugguestions?

Cloning the joker? Excuse me, but the Joker became what he was because of a CHEMICAL accident. It didn't modify his DNA! If they took DNA from the Joker and cloned it, they'd get a Jack Napier clone, not a chalk white faced, green haired raving lunatic. I mean I know comics aren't supposed to be realistic but honestly, even a 14 year old kid would say "WTF is up with that?" if they were to see a movie try to convince him that cloning the Joker would also transfer characteristics imprinted on him because of a chemical accident.

In the comics, Gordon ends up leaving his wife (Barbara's mom) for a woman cop who "understands" the demands of the job better. Yeah, right. As far as the plot, working from the recent animated flicks (Phantasm and WF) wouldn't be bad: definitely tension between the good guys (bright-colored Boy Scout vs. grey-and-black shadow-hugger), none of the retro-camp BS of the last films, and a Joker who's definitely psycho.

If you're going to have Luthor as Superman's enemy in the movie, almost by definition you have to find a way to have Joker as Batman's. Then the problem is figuring out how to bring him back. The pairings with the Joker in place are perfect: Chaotic Evil vs Lawful Evil pairing him with Luthor (I wanna blow stuff up vs I wanna rule the world), and vs Lawful Good with the heroes.

Why do we have to refer to the first movie at all? I'm big on continuity but I don't think this is neccessary because it sounds like Superman isn't following any movie continuity. It would be more interesting if Joker was in Arkham at the beginning of the movie. There could be some nice scenes where Lex goes to Arkham to visit the Joker and then arranges for his escape. That way we could see Arkham. Also, the hottie mayor is being included for sex appeal, that's obvious.

And I'm sure that's exactly what it'll be...

I agree that the current Batman continuity is hurting the franchise. I liked Nicholson as Joker but that was about 12 years ago from the first movie. If we feel the need to stay attached to that idea, we also must remember killer penguins, batnipples, batman on ice, and ugh...the batcard. Do new casting; reimagine the whole thing from scratch. Do we need Pat Hingle waddling around (no offense, Pat) and taking up space. He was wrong as Gordon from the beginning. If you want to clean up the Batman franchise, start with a clean slate.

this movie sounds lame... it will probably be just as crappy as the last 2 batman movies... I wanted to see Batman: Year One, with Aronofsky directing, this was sure to be great...

If WB really wants to bring life back to these franchises, just consider the shit before as DEAD, as NEVER HAPPENED. START FROM SCRATCH!!! That's how you'll bring this shit back. Don't clone the Joker, cuz he never should have died in the first place, just make a movie where superman and luthor exist, and batman and joker exist. Start your story from there. If you wanna make a movie with both superheroes, that's fine I guess, but it shouldn't be because you wanna sell more toys. Although, who am I kidding right? The mayor idea is stupid, the only damsel in distress should be lois lane. Most importantly, the Joker should not be treated as a sidekick, he may be crazy, but he's not an idiot. Hey, every once in a while, somebody really cares about the source material and makes a good movie out of it (X-MEN), but most of the time they just get it wrong (batman & robin). I don't think WB has the chops to make this work cuz all the right people for this kinda project are either making cartoons or writing comic books. I DARE WARNER BROTHERS to make a good fucking movie, either Batman, Superman, or Batman/Superman! I DARE YOU!

So can just anyone with a dumb nickname and a keyboard submit a "scoop" and have the world believe it? Come on harry, who is this guy, why should we believe he has seen this treatment? Don't you even care anymore? This plot is so flimsy and so convoluted, so dependent of fanboy minutiae and pastiches of past batman stories, I've gotta call shenanigans on this. Joker clone? Picking up the old continuity? please. Also notice how the descriptions deals in vagaries that any fanboy could contrive over a mountain dew and a bag of chee-tos. notice how it never really says what lex luthor is doing that is so evil, notice it doesn't describe just how batman and supes meet? i know this is supposed to be a treatmnet, but those are details that would have to be included even in the treatment. Shame on you harry for not slapping a big disclaimer on this.

Clone the Joker to throw off Batman? What the hell? He is just going to clone him overnight? Is he also going to program the Jokers genome to include the genes for white skin and green hair? The Joker is a character that is essentially human that turned insane after a series of experiences. Thus it was a cummulative effect of his life experiences as well as his genetic disposition to killing. To say you can "clone" that shit overnight in a test tube is totally off the wall. Sometimes this cloning bullshit goes overboard. Batman is not supposed to have any love interests either. He doesnt believe in that shit. He doesnt have time for a woman's whining, because he is angry, and would bitch-slap any two-bit trick that talks back to him. He uses the whole million-dollar playboy bachellor thing as a disguise. Bruce Wayne is all about the one night stands!!!!

This talkback started out somewhat positive and the longer it goes on the less positive it sounds.

This sounds phenomenal just for the character interaction alone. I personally just want to Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne meet. If this is pulled off half as well as it was in the animated crossover, I suspect we'll be quite pleased. My only wish the Commissioner Gordon/Bats relationship was more developed for a change, but it looks like I'll have to wait for the "Year One" project for that.

Just an idea. I was watching Scream 2 last night and for some reason the thought crossed my mind that she'd make a good Lois Lane if ever they made another Superman film.

First off can the Bruce Wayne love interest as the Mayor...have him go for Lois, then have him partner with Superman to fight the baddies and fight with Clark Kent for Lois...I think that'd make an interesting story if they insist on the love story. Loose the joker clone...stupid stupid stupid. Scientifically not possible, you get a Jack Napier as pointed out, and really stretching reality (we believe a man can fly is enough stretching) If they insist on current continuity start out with Batman with a newpaper saying Joker is back then him replaying newsfootage of the jokers fall, doing detective work...the body disappears behind a turret on the church and then continues after a pause falling from bottom side...the he replays and pauses as the joker vanishes realizing that something isn't right...Does a DNA check and finds out the body at the bottom isn't Jack Napier...but a body done up to look like him (joker was creating art...)...also when the Joker body was buried it was buried with an envelope addrerssed to Batman, so when disinters the body for a DNA sampling, he finds a typical Joker to batman message... the Joker planned a fake death (falling from the copter) getting tied to the gargoyle wasn't in the plan hence the slight delay when the falling joker vanishes form view, He had it planned fall from Copter to Die for the cameras, land in a stunt air bag, deflate it and escape out the church, leaving 'his body' this would also explain why when the joker hit his twisted body wasn't smashed on top of the gargoyle statue, we see him falling with the statue underneath and he hits next to the statue, and by gravity, he'd land on top of it...maybe the air bag caught both of thema nd he was hurt pretty bad but not dead, give him a limp or something...and the giveaway was the laugh box, and the fact he had guys at the church already, they had them their for a reason...so the Joker got the last laugh....it's a hell of a lot better than clones...(I thought of this as a kid in high school who cried when the Joker was shown broken on the steps of Gotham Cathedral. But he always seemed to die in the comics but had some plan or escaped...

I don't remember much about it, I think it's in the Greatest Joker Stories Ever Told, with Supes posing as a machine-man in the end to save the day. I'd love to see Bats and Supes have that total adversarial relationship that they did in the cartoon, until the point that Bats proves that he is the greater hero by saving Supes from the world's most evil villain, Mark Hamill. Or is it Billy Dee Williams...

I would like to see this movie, but I think Superman deserves his own movie first to introduce him to a 21st century audience. Supes is not a supporting character for Batman. Look at the incredible ratings for Smallville, which, even though it's a Buffy/X-Files rip-off, is catching on big. People want to see Superman, if it's well done by someone other than Jon Peters.

Or Freddy Vs Jason? This movie has as much chance of making it to our screens as the movies mentioned above... I believe this as much as as I believe that Paul Reubens will return in his Pee Wee quise to play Superman, with Pauly Shore chiming in as Batman. You comic book geeks will have to wait in the lounge with your y-fronts over your pants for a long time to see this... (& Wolfgang sucks! Last good movie - In the Line Of Fire, Last great one Das Boot - BRING BACK BURTON!!!!

Yeah! It could work. He's done a great job on the animated series, and I see no reason why he couldn't bring it to live action. He hasn't had much of a career since Star Wars because every time people see him they think "Luke." Well, they can't do that if they look at him and think "Joker!" Ol' Mark deserves at least one more 'stab' at respect in showbiz. Yeah, sorry about that. Anyway, then they can bring back Billy Dee as Harvey Dent, bring in Anthony Daniels as The Scarecrow, And Harrison Ford can play...I dunno...The Clock King? Hee hee! Batman Rules.

...when I see Mark Hamill I don't think "Luke" I think "Man who cannot act his way out of a paper bag"... by this logic, why not Jar Jar as Catwoman and Yoda as the Penguin?

It's called Sarcasm, folks.

Throw in the credit "Based on stories by Bruce W. Timm and Paul Dini", then use the love triangle of Lois, Bats, and Supes from Timm & Dini's "World's Finest". The robots in their story were a joint venture by Wayne Ent. and Lexcorp for NASA (probes). Bruce nixes the deal because Lex wants to sell them to the Pentagon as well. Joker: rework it so he is in Arkham. Seriously gang, go to the kids section of your video store and rent "World's Finest". It kicks butt and could be easily transfered to live action.***** Casting: if Peterson is directing Clooney may have the inside track. For Superman, several tall actors between 30-40 that have been working in soap operas over the last 10 years could audition plus how about Chris Noth (I know Warners he is a prime time TV actor so he is probably disqualified.) Lois: either member of the Delany clan (Kim or Dana), Mia Kirshner, Connelly (she's done genre films), Famke Jansen (I know too obvious), Terry Farrel, Zeta-Jones (she's done genre and through her husband has connections to Warner's movie division).-----later-----m

A lot of people seem to want Jack to come back as the Joker, that's a joke. Nicholson can be a great actor but in Batman he seriously overacted. He hammed it up and to me wasn't all that great. This comes from recently rewatching Batman. Mark Hamill was an interesting idea and I never thought Joker died because if you remember at the end of Batman, there was laughter after they shut off the tape so you can come up with a better idea then clones. As for Batman, Clooney wouldn't be a a bad idea. Supes is tough, I just don't know. Bring in Mercy and Harly though and Lois and you have plenty of sex appeal. Hell if you don't want to do the Bruce/Lois do Bruce/Mercy or something. Ok I'm rambling so I'll post now...

...it's one of those laughing bags in his pocket at the end! He's as dead as a dodo... I did like the concept of the Catwoman/Joker sequel though where she gives him one of her 9 lives, however that got stuffed when she used most of her lives up at the end of Batman Returns...

i don`t no if ya can easily change a german name into the american language and.....ohh in fact it isn`t really important but it means wolfang petersEn

This movie is about 8 years too late. I'd love to see Nicholson return, but playing 2nd fiddle to Lex Luthor is bullshit. This whole teaming-up business is too reminiscent of Schumacher's Bat-films. The Joker is strong enough as a standalone villain... I'd rather watch him engage in his psychotic antics instead of Lex boasting about the size of his cranium. All in all, though, I'd love to see this made. And even though I work in the industry; for the love of crap: PLEASE don't saturate the film with pointless cg! Cripes! The best cg is the stuff you don't even know is there. - No fake capes/environments and crap. Anton Furst's designs of Gotham from the first film were outstanding, and realized with models and sets not polygons. Warner Bros! Take a chance! You'll be happy! Keep it dark and R-rated! I'd like to see a comic book film that actually resembles the comic its supposed to be adapting! (Somehow I think this "treatment" is a hoax.) And please, check your spelling... it looks so amateurish and you're killing any credibility you may have.

David Bowie for the Joker (they can always dub his voice :-) )..just a thought, the way he was drawn in Dark Knight Returns always reminded me of him..ho hum

But then, so was "The Matrix". Sometimes the weirdass ideas make the best films. It means somebody is thinking outside the norm, which in Hollywood is to be rewarded.

...will they finally get a comic book movie right? Even on paper this thing sounds like one of those campy abortions that have plagued the genre for what seems like forever. The problem, gentlemen, lies in one of the great, painful ironies of our time: the producers, writers, directors, et al. who manage to get their hands on our beloved icons are utterly contemptuous of their source material. These guys are not, and never have been, comic book fans in any way, shape or form and, indeed, see the subject matter itself as stupid or trivial. Sure, I agree that most of the individual Superman and Batman stories published across the past sixty years are pure junk. If you pulped 99% of them you would lose nothing. Yet, at the core of the these characters is a genuine music, a true poetry that we fans hear and enjoy even when its buried under a ton of manure. At best, the guys who end up producing or directing or writing our films completely miss the mythology of the story and go straight for the "camp." All they see are garish costumes, bad guys with stupid names and crazy "let's-throw-everything-in-but-the kitchen-sink" plots. They are clueless to the poetry beneath and helpless to tease it out onto film where everyone can see it. Jeez, don't you love the A-hole producers/writers/ directors who, during those standard publicity interviews, always say stuff like, "No, I've never even picked up a comic book. In fact, when Jon Peters approached me with the first draft screenplay I didn't even know who Superman and Batman were. I had to ask my two sons who they were (chuckle)! Still, I think my ignorance of the genre will help me bring a fresh eye to the subject - something that's been sorely lacking, I feel." Yeah. "Fresh Eye" my hairy butt-cheeks. To me that's like boarding a plane, strapping yourself in and then hearing your pilot say over the intercom, "Good morning, folks. I'm Captain Jon Peters. Y'know, I've never actually flown a 747 before or any other aircraft for that matter. But don't you worry! I think my ignorance of the control panel (as well as any in-flight procedures or protocols) will help me bring a fresh eye to the genre of piloting a plane (chuckle)!" Guys, I'm sick of this crap. If you are not passionately in love with the source material, if you are not totally respectful of it, then stay the living hell away from it. I want a FAN directing my comic book movies! Someone who has been steeped in the deep lore of DC or Marvel comics since the days they were filling their pampers with doo-doo. I do not want some "name" director who thinks he's basically too good for the very film he's directing and who is so tone-deaf to the creative process (and to the demands of the genre) that he believes any random change he makes in the screenplay or the the way the character is played is somehow "creative." No more! Whew. Sorry for the long rant, my brothers, but from the sound of things this movie isn't good enough to use as toilet paper.

Do you directors/producers/executives ever read this talkback stuff? Is anyone listening? (Aside from the frequent "rulz"/"sux" tripe, some of our minds are on the right track.)

"Compedator"... is that like a matador, only figuratively? ** ** ** ** ** ** ** I'd love to see this film, only no one can afford to make it. Heck, I'll pay matinee price just to see this alleged 'treatment'.

I believe that is the only possible way to make this suck more. Why make this movie when we all know that Nicholson is NOT coming back. For that matter, neither is Keaton or Reeves (obviously). I hate to say it, but both of these franchises are dead. Why? Because of shit script ideas like the one that is described above. Plus, how in the hell do people like this reviewer get to see script treatments? It's really hard to respect the credibility of these reports when they are written at a fourth grade reading level.

Why make Batman 5 and not World's Finest 1? Frankly, comics change, ignore, alter, or are all together ignorant of continuity, why shouldn't the movies be any different--and I mean that in a good way? Bring in a long in the face thin Joker--make him malevolent and disturbed--and have him look for Luthor, while Lex holds him in utter distaste, but uses him for his own needs. Of course, Joker would be doing the same. Wow, know I have a great idea of how to do the treatment myself. Too bad every other fanboy does too.

But seriously, the story sounds good, just remove the romance aspect of it. As for The Joker, bring him back the way it was done in BB: Return of the Joker. And posters, never, ever mention Nic Cage in the same breath as Superman again. He would plain suck in any comic character role.

I think this is a great idea. If they ever make this film, they better make it R. Keep it violent, gloomy, mysterious... you'll have a hell of a movie. Have a great cast. Stay away from Ben Affleck, Josh Hartnett, Freddie Prinze Jr., and that no talent Matthew Lillard. Use unknowns as Batman and Superman. Have actors like De Niro, Tom Hanks, or friggin' Sean Connery play the villans! It would be a masterpiece. Walker and Petersen... why do I like the sound of that? It's like Walker and Fincher.

If they can't get Jack back, why not go for Gary Oldman? Or maybe, if they want a younger Joker, Edward Norton? Just some ideas to throw out there......and the Joker's death in 1989's Batman WAS supposed to be ambiguous, when Commissioner Gordon finds the laughing box in his pocket. Hey, that reminds me.....could Pat Hingle and Michael Gough return as Gordon and Alfred, respectively?

Batman: Harvey Fierstein Superman: Andy Dick Joker: Casper Van Dien Lex Luthor Jr: Ice T Lois Lane: Margot Kidder Evil Robot #1: Ahmed Best

...make "The Dark Knight Returns" into a movie. You get your Batman, you get your Superman - and you get a much, much better story.

Someone on here was right. Something like this WOULD cost like $700 million (well, that's obviously a generous figure, but you get the idea), without resulting in something that would give comic book movies any more serious credibility. I'd much rather see the Aronofsky "Batman: Year One" instead, or a serious, Frank Milleresque-era "Daredevil" movie than a big mindless special effects-driven POW! BLAM! BOOM!-style blowout like this one.

Se7en has to be one of the greatest scripts EVER, but what on earth has this man done since? Se7en may have potentially had the greatest ending to a thriller ever, then he writes 8mm - with possibly the WORST ending to a thriller ever! Sleepy Hollow was good because of Burton, not this guy... Andrew Kevin Walker SUCKS!

I'm sorry, but I'm still partial to Kevin Smith's Superman Lives script. I was thinking of who I would've casted for the various roles in his flick if given the chance, and this was my final verdict: Superman/Clark Kent -- Dylan McDermott (Steel Magnolias, "The Practice") or Peter Krause (The Truman Show, "Sports Night")* *Either guy would have to buff up a bit for the part, but facially, they both fit the bill. Lois Lane -- Ashley Judd (A Time to Kill, Double Jeopardy) Jimmy Olsen -- Christopher Kennedy Masterson (American History X, My Best Friend's Wedding) Lex Luthor -- Kevin Spacey (L.A. Confidential, American Beauty) Brainiac -- Gary Oldman (The Fifth Element, Air Force One) Doomsday -- ILM (Industrial Light and Magic) The Eradicator -- (Voice of) Ed Harris (The Rock, The Truman Show) Cat Grant -- Helen Hunt (As Good As It Gets, Cast Away) Perry White -- Lane Smith (My Cousin Vinny, The Legend of Bagger Vance) L-Ron -- (Voice of) Brent Spiner (Phenomenon, Star Trek: Insurrection) Misty (Mercy) -- Bridgette Wilson (Mortal Kombat, The Wedding Planner) Deadshot -- Elias Koteas (Fallen, Apt Pupil) Batman -- Alec Baldwin (The Shadow, Mercury Rising) Jor-El (in Dream Sequence) -- Richard Gere (Pretty Woman, First Knight) Governor Caitlin Bree -- Lisa Spoonhauer (Clerks, Bartender) Doctor Shuster -- Robert Picardo (Star Trek: First Contact, The Amati Girls) General Derris -- Hugh Quarshie (Wing Commander, Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace)

It's too bad that they (Warner Bros.) think we (The Audience) are too stupid to think outside the box of their CRAPPY CONTINUITY. The "Son of Lex"? A "Joker Clone"? I would rather see this never produce one ounce of celluloid than be made. Sorry, but it sounds like trash to me. Since they need a decent Superman and Batman RE-LAUNCH to erase their crappy continuity issues, a project like this shouldn't take place. Sort of jumping the gun. What the hell is going on with either of the Superman and Batman (multiple) projects. They're dropping like flies.

I'm so Happy!!!!!! I'm Glad They're Making Batman Darker Than The Previous Movies

...and probably better acting also.

You want a story that has the "real" batman in it? Someone needs to do an adaptation of the Greg Rucka novel and the comic book volumes of Batman: No Man's Land. This is the definitive Batman story. Its tragic, its heroic and it puts you into the mind of Batman like nothing else. Gotham in ruins? A civilization at its lowest form? A hero who abandons his city? Now this is good drama. Destroy what is familiar and build up from there. This is one of the best Batman stories of all time. Knightfall was great. The Killing Joke is monumental. Contagion is nice. Cataclysm is the perfect prequel. No Man's Land is the ultimate. Magnolia2000

Come on, people, Jack Napier was a psychopathic killer before the chemical accident, he just became fully insane afterwards.. thus, The Joker.. But you know, cloning isn't an exact science, so cloning Jack Napier might very well produce even more of a madman than before.. Now, I'm not condoning this plot, just explaining how it could very well work. Personally, I'd rather see a Doomsday movie where Superman gets the final fight of his life.. that and the four superman saga were the coolest storylines.. They should have Batman running around quoting shakespear, played by Samuel L. Jackson (he can also 'get medieval' on the bad guys..).. George Clooney was the clunkiest Batman ever, he did Bruce Wayne pretty well, but looked goofy as all hell in the Batman suit.. ack.. Batman 4 was a mistake, on all parts, but I still appreciate Joel Shumacher's other films, including his recent 'Tigerland', very good film.. plus The Lost Boys, Flatliners, a couple others.. Sure, he makes mistakes, but that doesn't mean he hasn't made some right choices, either. Also, Kevin Smith rules!

Anybody been to IMDb lately? They're now crediting Tim Burton with directing Batman: Year One. Aronofsky gets only a story credit.

This plot sounds very much like the animated Superman/ Batman world's finest teamup, but the cool plot points with Redheaded Lex and the Joker Clone are something new to me. Anyways, if this is like the animated teamup, Lex Luther and the Joker will probably bump heads near the end of this movie, probably with the Joker making his escape! It'll be great!

especially if she recreates the pool scene from that stupid movie with rosie o'donnell.

Yup, Supes has been missing from the big screen for a VERY LONG TIME! It's about time for a proper return. And this vehicle is probably the best way to make a reentrance. Superman in Gotham...wow! Let's just hope that the studio execs don't mess it up...AGAIN!! by the way, bring back Michael Keaton, and the pic will be perfect.

...I think Adam West is about 6 foot 4 and 240 odd pounds. Would you like to see him back as Batman?

Forget this whole cross-over thing. I say the next Batman movie be from the book Batman: No Mans Land. That book had the best plot of any superhero movies. Gotham is leveled by a 7.4 earthquake while Bruce Wayne goes on hiatus. All ties to the outside world are cut off, and Gotham is named a no mans land. Arkam Assylum's locks are all broken and the city's villians are all released. The story ,ainly focuses on Commishener Gordan trying to regain control over the city, building his own police force, and getting help from Two-Face! The Joker takes over the baseball stadium, and all hope is lost until Batman fights his own demons, to fight for justice. That book ruled.

People, this is the last chance making comics respectable again... (I personally liked THE PHANTOM with Billy Zane, nice try ...) Let's face it, we NEED a decent Batman flick, just like the first one from 1989, dark, perhaps even a bit scary, dramatic and with an intense Danny Elfman score. (Or John Powell, Craig Armstrong, ... nearly anyone BUT Elliot Goldenthal). Wolfgang Petersen for director? Well, don't know about that. I hate The Perfect Strom ... Air Force One wasn't very very good... leaves ... In The Line Of Fire and The NeverEnding Story. I like both of them. Well, I give him a try. Batman will be played by Clooney again, pretty sure... he's got a contract about that. Now, sure as hell, Nicholson won't be back for the Joker, ... we'll see about that. Who is going to be Superman? John Fasto Travolta? Please ... He shouldn't be played by a superstar. How about ... Paul Walker? Too young? Dylan McDermott? I'm looking for a strangely familiar but nevertheless FRESH face... Just tell me your thoughts... My 2001 cents

Start fresh. Like the Batman movies followed their own continuity anyway... What the fuck is the deal with killing the villians in each movie? Isn't that pretty stupid anyway?

And Kyle McClachlan as Supes. John Cusack as Batman, and Luthor hmmmm....Tim Robbins, Michael McKean?

Going with Paul Dini and Boaz Yakin is like making a bet that 1+1=2, you know you can't lose. Paul Dini has already proved that he knows what Batman fans want with Batman T.A.S.,Mask of the Phantasm,SubZero,and Return of the Joker. Is the WB that ignorant and blind. With a high profile big budget movie like Batman can they really afford not to go with someone with a solid track record like Dini. Have they not learned from their past 4 mistakes(B,B returns,BFE,B&R). And if you notice, all 4 of these movies had good actors, but they still were'nt hits(except Batman). The movies were loaded with Hollywood stars. But it's not their fault it was their leader/director and the weak scripts. One of the reasons the WB is not making Batman Beyond is because they said it will be too expensive,oh fuck me,what the Matrix was made cheap(sarcasm)! Two things about that 1) We deserve it for the money we paid to see those last two pieces of crap and 2)as much money you spend on making a good movie the returns will be far greater like Blade,X-Men,Spiderman, and The Matrix trilogy. And another thing as much as I would like to see Batman and Supes team up, that shouldn't be done until these two have substantiated their own seperate worlds,identities,and sucessful franchises. If there are any true fans of Batman or Superman out there then you feel like I do and don't want any temporary cheap thrills and you really want two seperate legacies of Batman and Superman,Legends, then you can do a Batman/Supes epic. So true fans for your own sakes bombard the WB with letters voting for Paul Dini's treatment. Harry you know you feel the same way,cause you love Paul Dini. Vote Dini! We deserve the best. Terry/Batman=Jason Behr,Bruce Wayne=Paul Newman w/black eyes. Let the truth be told! Maxim out!

How would Tim Burton directing Superman be a good thing? He made no secret during his last attempt at skinning the Man of Steel alive that he wanted to make big changes to the character, changes on the suck-level of Jon Peters' ideas. Burton doesn't give a rat's @$$ about the source material, he only wants to change it to fit his cookie-cutter "goth and weird" vision. Maybe YOU would like to see a "darker, more murderous" non-flying Superman in a translucent suit, but I sure as hell don't. The fastest way to to destroy the Superman mythos for good would be to let Burton get his hands on the character again. As for the WORLD'S FINEST proposal...I find it middling. I don't like the Luthor Jr. aspect, I don't like the Joker cloning, and I don't like the useless roles of Alfred and Gordon. I could come up with a better Superman movie than this...and I can't write!

hes a fucking moron!

retards! the plot isn't a rip off of the animated mask of the phantasm movie, it's a rip off of the elseworlds story "Generations". The generations trade paperback was about the world's finest in every decade of the twentieth century, chronicling the life of Batman and Supes. While it suffered a horrendous ending, much like "Earth 2", it had the two heros meeting for the first time at a Gotham World's fair. But truth be told, the world's fair in Gothan storyline has been used countless times. If comic fans remeber it was also used in a elseworld's "gotham by gaslight" sequel, which featured the dark knight fighting a time traveller and his robot buddy (again, horrendous story).

Someone needs to get out more.

This proposed World's Finest flick should be handed over to James Cameron. He's the ultimate guy to direct this movie. Though it seem like impossible, he's the best guy for the job. Wolfgang Petersen's fine, but I'll take Cameron anyday. That is if Warners can afford his Titanic asking price......

James Cameron should direct this Supes/Bats movie, coz he's the only guy who could really flesh out the blood and guts of these characters. Well, Warners can't afford his asking price anyway, so we'll see another stinker here....

Personally, I think this post is a fake (or maybe I'm just hoping... Clone!?!). Anycrap, since everyone's on the topic of casting, what would the series be like if Denzel Washington played Batman. Yes, I am aware that he is black, but I am also aware that he is an Oscar winner and a damn good actor. Damn Good! Just a thought. Training Day Rocked!

'Nuff said.

Wasn't Eastwood lined up for Batman at one point? He's got the troubled avenger (Unforgiven), the ageing profesional (line of fire) and a stone cold stare (everything). The man is a legend. Maybe we'll get a Batman movie which isn't about the suit and car.

jim caviezel as batman, hugh jackman as superman, john malkovich as luthor, tom green as the joker, courteney cox as lois lane.

Has been quoted on British TV as 'involved in a huge new Superman project'. Yikes!!! But I say we give Bruce Campbell the chance at Batman. Tall, has the chin and would help keep the budget down...

You know something? This all sounds perfect, except for the cloning the Joker part. Oh, and also the part about Bruce Wayne falling in love with a supermodel mayor. Leave that out. Wait, the giant spider robots....that sucks too. Axe that. And also the part where the Joker and Lex Luthor teaming up. 86 that. Oh, and also the rest of that entire stupid script. Maybe leave that out too. Is this guy for real? Do the Batman Year One fer christ sakes...

I love Batman, but putting Superman next to him just makes Batman look lame. You have an immortal (basically) guy from another planet with superhuman strength who can burn stuff with his eyes and turn back time by flying around the world, and then you have some orphan who is good with gadgets and knows some martial arts. They shouldn't be in the same movie, period.

That Year One idea pissed me off BIG TIME. It was a continuity NIGHTMARE. BATMAN I wasn't the story of Frank Miller's YEAR ONE but it was essentually a YEAR ONE story. In that movie Batman was just starting out. To do a YEAR ONE movie is to contradict the first movie. The only other option is to write off BATMAN I -IV and that idea SUCKS. Yeah, BATMAN AND ROBIN sucked big time but there were three great movies before that shit-bomb. To write off three good movies because of one bad one is STUPID. That would be like Paramount writing off the entire original Star Trek series AND the first five movies just because five sucked. HOW STUPID WOULD THAT BE? It's ONE MOVIE. Let it go. I'm very happy to see that BATMAN/SUPERMAN picks up after BATMAN AND ROBIN. That means continuity is in fact. It's brilliant to have Luthor clone the Joker. That fixes a major error in the first movie (Joker should never have been killed off) and Luthor is the one man on Earth who'd have the money and technology to clone Joker. This story sounds good, and with the names attached it should be great. Now, if only they would cast Clooney as Batman and Brendan Fraser as Superman all would be right with the world.

Harry here, first time scooper mightyjoe hung chimes in with a completely unsubstantiated report on warner's JLA movie. Mightyjoe hung has no connection to the film industry but you should all take this report as gospel because I put it up. Heer it is: Hey harry, I'm a 30 yaer old nobody from kneebite arkansas. I happened to get alook at john Hughes' latest treatmnet for the upcoming film JLA: THE JUSTICE CLUB. Don't ask me how. Its not important. The film starts out with several of earth's greatest superheroes in seperate battles with the Minions of Darkseid (john Cryer). After they are each defeated, they all wind up together in a "detention" center on apokolips. While imprisoned, the evil desaad (Taylor Negron) forces them to write an essy entitled: "Why I want to give my free Will to Darkseid", and as the heroes do their soul searching, they realize they must work together to save the day, But can all-american hero Superman (emilio Estevez), cooperate with brooding, dark Batman(judd Nelson). Can the stuck-up amazonian princess Wonder Woman (MOlly Ringwald) get over herself? Will weakling Aquaman (anthony michael hall) be able to get over his own inadequacies from being picked on by the more popular superheroes?And what about Hawkgirl (ally sheedy) who is so out there, she's practically from another planet. As they write their defiant essays, the heroes learn a little about life, a little about love, and a lot about themselves. In the end, they team up, and after defeating Darkseid's spoiled izod-clad son kalibak (james Spader), they take on the lord of Un-Life himself in a battle set to the defiant music of Simple Minds. so confident is Warner in this pitch, that Hughes is already penning the sequel, tentativley titled: PRETTY IN SPANDEX call me MIGHTY JOE HUNG

If you're going to clone the Joker, why not throw in a twist and switch genders? My vote is Julia Roberts, who looks like the Joker anyway. What a casting coup.

I loved the first Superman movie when I was a kid. Upon repeat viewing it still holds up for the most part -- OK, so second half of the movie is weak. But overall, it's still very good. Superman II was decent. Though Richard Lester (the director) did as much as he could to ruin it, unfortunately, they had such a strong premise that the movie was able to be good. Despite he and the Salkinds (the producers) best efforts. Superman III and VI...I won't even dignify those to pieces of sh*t with a response. OK, now the Batman movies. Unlike the Superman movies none of the Batman movies ever really did it for me. I mean, it starts off with Batman being woefully miscast. Sure Michael Keaton did an all right job considering the circumstances, but trust me, the suit did the real work. Batman should be played by someone akin to a young Clint Eastwood or something. Having Michael Keaton play Batman was like having Gary Oldman play Dracula...it's a f*ckin' stretch. And neither instilled the sort of fear and foreboding that the characters are supposed to naturally imbue. But at least the first two Batman movies had their moments, even if they weren't really good films. I mean, there was an interesting look. And Jack Nicholson (though he was WAY to old to play the Joker) did a great job in a role he was born to play...just born a lil' too early though. The other Batman films were complete sh*t. Once Joel Schumacher stepped in and decided to "lavender" up the cape crusader all was lost. I mean, the cod pieces of the suits? The disco ball...OK, I never actually saw all of the last two Batman movies but I saw enough to realize that a great injustice the legend had occurred. So, Superman was 2 for four... And Batman well, none of them were good. But at least the first two films didn't tarnish Batman's image. The best incarnation of the two characters done for the screen has been on television and that was in those Paul Dini WB cartoons. I saw the "World's Finest" episodes and they were tremendous. How come they can't get it right in live action form?

btw, the Walter Konkrete post and the General Idea post were friggin' hilarious.

Remember the scene in Superman the movie where the pimp says, 'Say Jim! That's a baad outfit!'? All supes said was, 'Excuse me," and kept it moving because Lois was in trouble leaving those poor women to fend for themselves against the evil Black Pimp. Okay true a helicopter was about to drop hundreds of stories on helpless people but after he saved the day he could have returned and saved them hoes but instead he felt his services were better served rescuing a cat stuck in a tree. Some hero! Then again he didn't stop the little girl's mother from smacking the shit outta' her. So I guess Superman doesn't have a problem with prostitution and child abuse. PS just joking

but... a cloned Joker? bleh. Just ignore his death in the previous film and have him be paid to distract. Where does this take place? Gotham looks cooler, and LexCorp is in Metropolis, right? This should have a cool, dark design like 1930's film 'Metropolis'. Mignola would be good, muted colors in some city scenes might be good. Robots can't pose a threat to Superman, so how could they pose a threat to both Superman and Batman?

Hey, WB, I've got news for you: CGI Robots bite! The CGI Spider in Wild Wild West bit. The CGI robots in Phantom Menace bit. The only cool animated robot I can think of was in Terminator, post gas truck explosion, and that was Harryhausen (sp). Your audience has no emotional investment in CGI robots. Kill a man, he stays dead (mostly). Kill a robot, another one just rolls off the assembly line. And while we're at it, if you're going to give Batman a love interest, make her an *adult*, not a pinup. Make her someone interesting, someone approx-imating his age. Batman is a serious dude, and I'd respect the character more if he'd go for a serious woman, vice a bit of walking wallpaper.

The man is big, he can act, all he would have to do is dye his hair black and make sure his american accent is perfect. And for Lex Luther how about David Morse? or Nick Casseteves (sp?) Any thoughts on this?

They can't even make a decent Batman movie so god help them trying to a Superman and Batman movie. Besides the script is a complete rip off of "World's Finest" the animated Batman / Superman movie. The best Batfilms have been the Animated movies such as Mask of the Phantasm, why don't they give the story writing to these guys and get the cheesey-mass-produced-hollywood guys off the case!!

...the Sprint "Free and Clear" babe ( no, thats not a douche )as the 'Hot Comissioner ', ... find a tall, down-to-earth, self-deprecating dry wit (a la` Kevin Spacey ) for Superman. He needs an IQ larger than amoeba, so Travolta is out. (poor guy, his kids probably teach him to read his scripts.) AND! ... 'Loralei' from The Gilmore Girls as LOIS LANE!!! Glasses??? HUH?!?! Sounding like a pushy Noo Yohkah?? ... you like it. C'mon. At least admit it to yourself.

I wish to hell the F'ing clone thing would go away already! Star Trek, Star Wars...everyone! Can we start getting original ideas going please? Who got the hard one for clones everywhere all of a sudden? It shows up in the news a few times and all of a sudden Hollywood's all over it? This idea is nothing new to the sci fi world folks... Anyway, to my main point: Who do you cast for this thing? I know there are certain circles that would love to see Cage and Travolta reunite on screen to play Supes and Batman respectively. They are awesome actors, but neither strikes me as right for either of these roles, IMHO. I wouldn't mind seeing Nicholson back as the Joker and why not bring back Hackman to play Luthor? Yeah, I know about the age thing but...Luthor isn't supposed to be some steroid muscle boy anyway. Hackman looks great for his age and a little hair dye and trick photography here and there can go a long way. If they want to go younger, which is probably the best idea...the mind wanders as to who they could cast. Please, no Affleck, DiCaprio, Damon, Dawson Creek's people, Roswell people, NySync or Backstreet Boys or other skanky sources for cast members! Bring back Micheal Keaton as Batman! He did a great job! Clooney did a serviceable job too and deserves another chance with a real script. Keeping my eyes on this one...

This is a made up piece...but I had to comment on its components in my earlier post. The wretched spelling among other things (the bad ideas like the cloning, Joker as side kick, etc.) give this zero credibility.

whoo hah! That would make for a great addition to the cast-- or not, depending on the actress and the scripting-- Wait a minute-- I'm just thinking-- in that WORLD'S FINEST movie, Bats and Supes have to fight giant robots-- also, in BATMAN: PHANTASM, the climax is at the abandoned fairgrounds of a worlds' fair.. So, um... I guess Walker's script was TOTALLY original, eh?

Batman: Michael Keaton. Superman: Keanu Reeves. Lex Luthor: Joe Pesci. Lois Lane: Janeane Garofalo. The Joker: Jack Nicholson(who else?) Jimmy Olsen: Jason Mewes. And Brian Dennehy as Perry White. Roll them fuckin' cameras. Snoogans.

This could solve a lot of problems some of the anti-clone Joker folks have and the anti-Mayor-Love-Interest folks have, too. Bring in Ra's with Luthor and show them both as the totally ruthless men who both team-up with one another with the intent of fucking each other over when their respective threats are eliminated. I like the idea of having a Bruce/Lois flirtation going on, but throw Talia into the mix as well, attempting to murder Lois to keep her from her man. Instead of a battle between Joker and Batman, make it a fight between Ra's and Batman. Have them switch between various fighting techniques during the final confrontation between the pair of them in the film (Start out hand to hand. Eventually, bring it to swords, then back to hand-to-hand. Show off Batman really fighting.

I'd rather see the Aronofsky/Miller collabaration.This shows promise though.But please if there is any sanity left in the world.NO NIC CAGE AS CONSTANTINE!!!Please,cast Jude Law and stay faithfull to HellBlazer.Origin is a great read pick it up.

This sounds STUPID!! A big fat waste of time. WB is always hopeing to make another great Superman film. another great batman film. They can't so they decide to combine the two... and this is the shit they come up with? Whats more... the Joker is cloned, but I bet Michael keaton wont be Batman. and I'm positive superman wont be played by Chris Reeves. So. What the fuck? Can't we just get a new Batman. A new superman? separate movies? But above all... ...just remake Superman using the exact same premise as the original film. Only beef up krypton. Beef up the events which lead to his discovery of who he is. Beef up the superman saves the world third act. This wont bomb, because it wont be made.

Instead of bringing the Joker back as a clone i think it should happen like this....Say for now we keep the plot of lex going to the Gotham world fair, but instead, one night in his penthouse or office one late night, out steps from the shadows, our emerald haired prince of crime. When Lex says to him, "I thought you were....were...", Joker replies, "Dead? Ha, ha....Lex, I was only joking." Ya see, the whole time, Joker has been in the shadow of gothams underground, rebuilding his henchmen(including Harly Quinn), hideout, etc. with the plan to strike back at Batman with a vengence. The problem is Lex Luther moving into town has cause him to come into the spotlight ahead of schedule, after all, this is Joker territory. Well, in short both go after batman and Supes, only to try and backstab one another, like always. Thats my idea, I would like to hear comments on it. Do we really need any more of an explaination for how joker is back, I mean after all, he always seem to get into life threatening situations in the comics, and always survived somehow.

We got star Trek: Generations. Good move guys. ;)

Bruce Campbell would be great as Bats. Hamill is a great choice for the JOKER. Even though he never played a flesh & blood version, Hamill's version is the alltime best ever. Although he's not a REDHEADED AUSSIE, Billy Zane would be a great Lex Luthor. Keep John Peters away from this project.

Is it really necessary to clone the Joker? Something about it doesn't seem to fit the character. Besides I think it'll just take up time, that could be spent other more exciting things. I hope they just ignore the fact that he died in the first film. Its not neccessary for this movie to be consistant with all the other Batman movies (infact I'm knd of hoping that will be inconsistant with the other movies, it'll give a new spin on things). Just look at the James Bond movies. Is it upsetting that James Bond doesn't age, or that the supporting charecters (ie Felix) often change completely? No, because each James Bond movie stands alone as a seperate film, and thinking about silly little things like that would only get in the way of all the fun. It should be the same with the Batman franchise. Don't bother cloning the Joker, just pretend it all didn't happen.

First, the studio should let him WRITE it. All drafts, all re-writes. To my knowledge, the only flick he's ever written that hasn't been fucked with is Seven. His original Sleepy Hollow script was so much better than the Tom Stoppard re-write - why does every studio film have to be written by committee? Second, if AKW is on board, isn't the obvious directorial choice David Fincher? Walker rewrites everything Fincher does, so why not let Fincher take a swing at superheroes? We'll all feel better. Fincher is a solid director, and will give the appropriate tones to the situations and the characters. Comic book fans complain about the disregard Hollywood shows the characters. I say it's time to completely disregard everything but the core and heart of the characters and try to bring the simple essence of what makes Batman and Superman great to the screen. These characters have been around for the better part of a century - they're outliving creators and fans alike. They've been turned inside out over the years by creators looking for fresh material. I think that in the right hands, a true adaptation of the characters without betraying the basic essence is in order. Somebody like Joel Schumacher can go off the deep end and turn it into something horrific, but a director like Fincher and a writer like Walker can make a mature movie about these great characters that will plesae comic fans, movie fans and moviegoers. Cloning the Joker is pretty ridiculous - why even keep up continuity? Just reintroduce the character. The Batman animated series never stuck by what the movies did - the Batman/Superman movie shouldn't be a sequel to either series, but a separate entity. Forget the other flicks, forget the other comic books, forget all the other shit and just make a kick-ass movie that embodies the spirit of the characters. There's a built-in audience, but that shouldn't be an excuse to make a mediocre flick.

i made it through about half of the postings before it occured to me. Now I'm sure most of you are familiar with the image of a red headed australian Lex Luthor (II), supposedly the long lost son of the deceased power hungry tycoon we all love to hate (unless it's bumbling gene hackmen in which case i just plain hate lex). Lex used to wear a ring with a small piece of kriptonite, and developed cancer from the low level radiation emitting from the stone. he then faked his own death and had scientists from the cadmus project build him a new body save his brain and eyes. the cadmus project was also responsible for superboy and doomsday. now, done tastefully, this would allow for the filmmakers to bring back the joker. luthor would also be likely to demand cadmus give joker pearl white skin, red lips and green hair. picture a scene in which lex meanders through a dark basement room of lexcorp, marveling at the trophies he has managed to aquire in his many years as the second most powerful man in metropolis. he then steps in front of a jar containing a perfectly preserved brain and eyeballs(or even the severed head of jack nicholson) (you didn't think a billionaire criminal mastermind's grasp was contained within metropolis' city limits did you?) cut to: cadmus project patient quarters....a white skinned man looking around the age of 25, suddenly shoots his yellow eyes open and takes a deep breath for the first time in 15 years or so. his inner monolouge voice over supplied by jack nicholson, his speaking voice belonging to the unknown actor playing the role. Get rid of the Pin Up Mayor (batman works better as a tortured lonely soul anyway, and who's more tortured and lonely than the crimefighter who simply doesn't have time for a love life, extra dynamic points as we see a bitter batman resent the "worlds most eligable bachelor" superman" , enter harley quinn (i would give my best friends left nut to see her on the silver screen) for sex appeal if lois lane is not enough. Secondly, ditch the spider robots, firstly because it's been done in "World's Finest" and secondly because late at night Jon Peters masturbates to pictures of Spider Robots. Cast: Russel Crowe as Superman (squint, physique....and think LA Confidential instead of Gladiator) Brad Pitt as The Joker (maniacal laughter as Lou beats the crap out of Tyler Durdin in Fight Club, think 12 Monkeys) Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor (I would just really love to see this, Spacey is a genius...(also picture the Joker turning on Luthor and overpowering him, right before shaving him bald as a new born baby's butt) think se7en, think swimming with sharks) Johnny Depp as Batman (sounds out there at first, but consider Depp's brooding demeanor, and the diversity of his talent, good looks) Chemistry between these actors would be magnificent, Crowe with his chiseled features and immoveability, Pitt with explosive and maniacal energy, Spacey is suave, sophisticated and witty, and depp is the kid in the shadows with family problems who you either don't notice or are afraid is going to attack you. Tea Leoni as Lois Lane.....ahhh she is the sexiest woman on the planet. Kill John Peters, ban Tim Burton, George Clooney was the worst Batman I have ever seen.

Soundtrack collaboration done by John Williams, Danny Elfman, The Dust Brothers and Radiohead.

I don't post here but after reading all this I have 2 major comments. The reason they explain stupid things such as the Joker ressurrection and all is because NOT EVERYONE READS THOSE FUCKING COMICS! We aren't all comic geeks. Seriously, some of us don't do it. Ahem. Secondly now that I've pointed out something that one of you should have realized a long time ago...onto my next point. Someone was serious about Keanu Reeves as Superman? What the hell is up with that? No name all the way. Ed Norton is as Hollywood as Superman could go and he'd need facial reconstructive surgery to look the part. I say we just take Christopher Reeves head and slap it on a CG body and do it that way. Blow a fan in his face to show he's flying and all that jazz. Doomsday would be awesome but don't hold your breath. In fact, this movie will never see the light of day so don't hold your...no wait, HOLD your breath. You all are really lame with the whole "Nuh uh I'M right" bullshit. Bye

We've all seen the several On*Star commericals with Batman and the Joker. Why did these silly little commercials look so much better than the multi-million dollar films? I can only hope Warner Bros. gets the same actors and creative team behind the On*Star commercials when doing this new film. It's time Batman looked liked Batman and the Joker looked like the Joker. All the Batmen actors sucked (even Michael "nice chin" Keaton!) And Jack Nicholson was an old man in 1989 and sucked at it. Let get some fresh blood.

ok ok ok...here we go. the talkbackers who brought up the fact that the chemical bath didn't alter the joker's biology are almost right. if you remember correctly, all of jack napier's nerve endings were severed. in this particular case here one thing was altered. HIS FUCKING NERVES!! if in fact he was cloned, he would have severed nerves leaving him as a pile of mal-formed skin and bone and all that shit. the only thing left to do would be to re-create the plastic surgery that it took to make him look like the psychotic menacing joker we all know and love. now this movie sounds like it could work out great and restore my faith in warners. i am among the people who hate the idea of a love interest in every fuckin movie and this one is no different. bats doesn't need a woman fucking things up for him as he always does. honestly...whens the last time you saw brucie with a woman in the comics or in the cartoon? also...if they are going with the younger versions of the 2, how could nightwing even exist. i mean...we saw george clooney playing a 30/40 something batman with dick grayson still as robin. so when they revert back to a 20 something bats how can there be a nightwing o my head hurts. anyway...rain or shine i'm gonna see this flick. and the dude who wrote the article to harry needs to get huked onn fonix, and he needs to do it quick. testicleez out